[SPEAKER_01]: Three, six, we all need some tuning.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, Baltimore Sports fans of all ages.
[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to section three, three, six.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next generation of Baltimore Sports Talk.
[SPEAKER_04]: I am you're in Gilly Stringhouse, Matt's Roca.
[SPEAKER_04]: As always, I'm joined by the button-level Josh Roca.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, Matt.
[SPEAKER_06]: How about those birds that we don't know?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's exciting to watch the world because every night you turn the TV and and you don't even know who who who's going to be there.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so exciting.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think tonight I'm going to head on up to see the jumbo shrimp because they are playing the Norfolk Tides and I'm wondering if at this point if I know the lineup of the tide better than I know the lineup of the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's probably actually close.
[SPEAKER_04]: probably actually close.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that leads to something that there is, I found a new thing that annoys me about my allies, annoys me more than anything else.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the other things that annoys me about my allies and has to do with nerf of tides.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's just a little teaser.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll talk about that and we'll get to that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, we haven't done this in a while, but a quick, um,
[SPEAKER_04]: We talked a little bit last year about little league and travel ball.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're back in it, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's back full swing with travel ball.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has his first tournament, not this weekend, but next the weekend after.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I got to say Josh, when we first start talking about travel ball.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I know a lot of people think travel ball for, you know, he was seven last year, eight this year as ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I went in with the mindset, the only reason we're doing it is not trying to get my kid a college scholarship here, given to the majors.
[SPEAKER_04]: He just loves to play.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so we did travel ball just because playing Rec Ball was just not enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: We want to play more.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: And my mindset going in was, can I do this without going all in?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I'm being a baseball dad.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, the baseball dad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want this to.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was the money factor.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like at no point that I want like travel ball to become a financial like constraint to our family.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have to make sacrifices just so my seven or eight year old can go play baseball.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not going there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then time wise.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't want this to be something where the whole family is kind of built around status and schedule for travel ball.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not doing that either.
[SPEAKER_04]: So okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: And last year was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was four tournaments.
[SPEAKER_04]: The cost was not bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this year, and this is partly my problem, Josh.
[SPEAKER_04]: The practices and seas and actually started in July when I was with you in North Carolina.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, I wasn't coming home for a few practices, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because again, that would violate part of doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we didn't actually even go to try out.
[SPEAKER_04]: They had tryouts.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I called the coach us like we're in North Carolina.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, we're not going to be run for trials.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he said, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's on the team.
[SPEAKER_04]: So don't even worry about trials.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's on the team.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: He added about two new players from last year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Three new players from last year and got rid of some, you know, weak spots.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we were better now, which is cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: But so we get back in August.
[SPEAKER_04]: He starts going to practice again.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I realized I never really talked to anyone about this year.
[SPEAKER_04]: What this year will look like in terms of time, money, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: So now it's August.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so last week I called, you know, the guy who runs this whole, it's called the factory.
[SPEAKER_04]: His name's Matt.
[SPEAKER_04]: I called Matt.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what's the deal with this year?
[SPEAKER_04]: And we got the talk in Josh and I realized pretty quick in the conversation.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I've made a huge mistake.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, which because of the money or the commitment, what part is a huge mistake at this point to you?
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a third factor that has emerged.
[SPEAKER_04]: One is the money.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a big deal, but it is double over what it was last year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Double, which is, I was not expecting that, but it's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a huge burden.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's fundraiser stuff I'm gonna do.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the top commitment we're going from four tournaments to nine.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, more tournaments.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's, explains the double in price.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but all of them within forty minutes.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're all in two locations, one, twenty five minutes, one, forty minutes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So as we're not traveling across the state across the country.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm good with the time commitment.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm okay with that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm okay with the Saturday or Sunday, um, traveling forty minutes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but then there was something else that came up and it bothers me so much that I wanted to pull that out out of the league.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but we're too far in now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like I can't feel it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Do you need me to buy a raffle ticket?
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: The crap will take it.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a raffle to you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Check my Facebook.com.
[SPEAKER_04]: That might become late later.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, do you know what it is?
[SPEAKER_06]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Josh, you know how I am with stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, half a size of stuff he has has been hammered down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to give him the baseball.
[SPEAKER_04]: Up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Someone gave him his mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You gave him his baseball bag.
[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of stuff came from you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Travel ball means lots of uniforms.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lots of uniforms, but here's the kicker.
[SPEAKER_04]: Last year, they got, and I thought it was bit much.
[SPEAKER_04]: They got three jerseys, two pants, three hats.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: This year, they probably get bags, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: They got a baseball big last year.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Josh, they're doing it all again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's what they did.
[SPEAKER_04]: New home it.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what they did.
[SPEAKER_04]: New hats.
[SPEAKER_04]: New I said he has all the stuff from last year.
[SPEAKER_04]: It all still fits.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can we just use it?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, everyone's getting new new new design new colors new all stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yep, because there's probably a new kid or two, and they need them all to have the same stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: What am I going to do?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, then have them get the stuff that we all got last year.
[SPEAKER_04]: What am I going to do with two baseball bags with two helmets with two?
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is not even the costing.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the waste, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_06]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a waste.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so silly.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I let everyone know how silly this is.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a money-making opportunity because they're not selling them to you at cost.
[SPEAKER_06]: Someone's making money.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's, I mean, it's all the factory.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's all this is a whole organization.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I was really annoyed.
[SPEAKER_06]: Have you made the purchase for clothing for yourself?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, that's another thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm the only parent that doesn't have gear.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think parents can go overboard with the gear.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And again, they sell it all at their little factory thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the fact is, so I love the coaches, the facilities nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: They get their own like indoor facilities and back cages and then we can go and use them whenever we want.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I just the waste of the stuff that's not necessary.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to be hard for me to get past it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I was like, this might be my last year, because I'm not buying a new baseball bag and new helmet every year.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even want it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Even if it was free, I don't even want it, because he has it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: The noise.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have this idea of what's extreme in baseball.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is what I hate so much.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is this kind of the keeping up with the Joneses, the keeping up with the Adam Joneses in baseball.
[SPEAKER_04]: Even South of the other day came said, and he said, he wanted baseball batting gloves.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I said, why?
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't want any bag gloves.
[SPEAKER_04]: He said, well, everyone else has them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you show up?
[SPEAKER_06]: Did you show up all the Orioles that do not wear bag gloves?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, you know, who was it?
[SPEAKER_04]: You used the penis hands?
[SPEAKER_04]: I said, just peel on your hands before you, before they have bat.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's a picture of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, there's a hitter of peat on his hands and then we're bag gloves.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe so.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it was for both.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can understand him what bag gloves though.
[SPEAKER_06]: Moises that, Louis.
[SPEAKER_06]: Does the coach still have the hype fire bat, so you don't have to purchase a bat?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Where's their pressure for you to buy a real bat?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, he gave, I mean, he lent the hype fire bat to Silas and his bag and he keeps with him all the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's basically a gift.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, whenever we leave the factory, we have to leave the bat, but as long as the factory, we have that, all that's proud of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then then I would look at that as a wash of I have to buy all this stuff, but I don't have to buy a bat.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And all that stuff is going to be cheaper than that bat.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, it's, again, it's not about the cost.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's about the whole.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's about, it's just about it's waste.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just, I necessary.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to get off the out of my chest.
[SPEAKER_04]: So this might be my last year for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Also getting the basketball and it's getting too complicated.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's going to be silos because you're not pressure him.
[SPEAKER_06]: But if he wants to commit to baseball, he's going to be doing travel ball for the next ten years.
[SPEAKER_04]: I understand that, but now he also wants to pay basketball.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, we can't do ball ball, basketball, travel ball.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, but you could do travel and basketball.
[SPEAKER_06]: You just gotta get rid of the right league.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but I like to wreck league a lot.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know parents love the wreck league.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just breakfast or fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right on the street.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can talk more with baseball now.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, can I just play out field?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll tell you why.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to surprise me up one day.
[SPEAKER_04]: I turn on the game and it says now playing left field, silence, roca.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really want to surprise me at this point.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, at this point, I feel like they should have open tryouts.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, can I tell you how I'm watching the games now?
[SPEAKER_04]: I totally change the game now.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, because I would say I've changed as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a combination of trade deadline and school.
[SPEAKER_04]: And also, by the way, I go on fan graphs every day and check their playoff odds.
[SPEAKER_04]: It happened yesterday.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't happen yesterday?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's zero.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not zero point one.
[SPEAKER_04]: If that's zero point one for a while, we're now at zero point zero.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm starting to think this season is done.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think the season's over for the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_04]: But here's what I do.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't turn the game on at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So my kids get home from school.
[SPEAKER_04]: I get home from work when the game comes on at six thirty.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not watching the game.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm hanging out with my kids doing stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: I put them to bed at eight at eight.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll come down and I'll turn on the game and I'll watch it from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_04]: but I'll fast forward through all their outfielders.
[SPEAKER_04]: I watch our pictures pitch.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I watch the top of our line up all the infielders hit and the catcher.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then when any outfielder comes up, I have a watch to single Greg Allen at bat.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I have no intention to watch a single Greg Allen at bat.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't think I've missed a hit or anything yet either.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I like this approach.
[SPEAKER_06]: My approach has changed as well as in I don't.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying I turn the games on and I try to tell myself, I'm watching it for these individual performances.
[SPEAKER_06]: How does that try?
[SPEAKER_06]: I try to not be frustrated.
[SPEAKER_06]: that we can't hit the ball.
[SPEAKER_06]: I try not to be frustrated that we'll get a guy on third base, and then we have Greg Allen and Jeremiah Jackson, and we can't do anything.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's just when a third of your line ups and automatic out.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is my old softball days, wherever you're just, it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: And our seven eight nine, you just gotta flip that line up over.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then we'd be like, well, what if we mix them in the middle of the lineup?
[SPEAKER_06]: And then it still doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_06]: Somewhere there's gonna be just death.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's the Orioles now.
[SPEAKER_06]: And yesterday was the prime example.
[SPEAKER_06]: You lose zero to one.
[SPEAKER_06]: You should never lose zero to one.
[SPEAKER_06]: You have an end the Orioles have done that like three, four times this year.
[SPEAKER_06]: When you get outstand and pitch in and then you can't score one run, I, that is never acceptable as a professional baseball team.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and on the one hand, Josh, you can say, well, you know, we have Greg Allen, Tainatfield.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is understandable, along with Jeremiah Jackson.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jeremiah Jackson, who's not really an outfielder, but playing outford for us.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Dylan Carlson, who's terrible.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you can say, well, that's why our offense is bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was doing some research before the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was looking at a stat, a lot of people like that associate with offense, that takes, I don't know how it's really formed, but takes in a lot of these factors is a way that runs created plus, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of nerds like that as this all runs in that grid.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know how many guys we have in the top one hundred of way that runs created plus this kind of important offense of stat?
[SPEAKER_06]: Two.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wish one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gunner, that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have one player on our team who is in the top one hundred offens of players, a hundred is the average, a hundred, whatever is greater plus.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have three guys, Westburg, Gunner is the one guy to top one hundred.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Adley, who are above the top one hundred, oh, and Jackson Holiday, I think Senator too.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we think we have four guys in the top over one hundred over average, the rest is below average.
[SPEAKER_04]: But doesn't it concern your Josh that in our whole
[SPEAKER_04]: We have one player, one offensive player who's a top one hundred.
[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_06]: It concerns me because on paper or I test, I am comfortable with Gunner, Jordan, Jackson, Colton, Adley, being like the future.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll even be Mayo in there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Be in the foundation to build this team one.
[SPEAKER_06]: But when you bring up a stat like that, it makes it be like, there's no way, did we just have a whole team of bust?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like this year, we were supposed to have this year, like, five, twenty plus home run hitters.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't have any.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a major offensive problem going on in this clubhouse.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you even look at, and the way to runs creative plus is a stat, a home runs stat.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you look at any stat, really.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to show the same thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Our offense is not that good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Even the Galilee Jackson holiday.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where would you think Jackson holiday, who's our lead off hitter?
[SPEAKER_04]: He's had a good year compared to last year, if you're like, where do you think he ranks?
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's look at stat like war in war amongst just second basements.
[SPEAKER_04]: Where do you think Jackson holiday ranks?
[SPEAKER_06]: I would hope he's in the middle.
[SPEAKER_04]: twenty six.
[SPEAKER_06]: See, that's that's really frustrating.
[SPEAKER_06]: Twenty six in and more for for happened.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's frustrating because I I trust I have already seen growth in Jackson Holiday from last year.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've seen growth in Jackson Holiday this season from open and day.
[SPEAKER_06]: But we need, it's so hard because I know I understand how baseball works that if one guy struggles and two guy struggles, suddenly the whole team struggles.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it works that way where you're not putting, if you're not putting each other in positions to get on base, you're not getting good pitches, you're not the whole team just gets into a big slope.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I see that hurting everyone
[SPEAKER_06]: But a lead-off hitter should at least come with a fresh start every game.
[SPEAKER_06]: At least at first at bat.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's the other factor is this is just speaking of depressing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Roman Anthony
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, he signed on a big extension with Boston and he's on fire.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's everything out.
[SPEAKER_04]: We saw, you know, Nick Kurtz a couple of weeks ago had the games like we just watched him play and he's a great player.
[SPEAKER_04]: It seems like so many, we just watch over and over again, these prospects hit the ground in the majors and immediately sell and yeah, every one of our prospects that we call up struggles.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I really don't get it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so frustrating because if it turns out that Jack's holiday is not a top five player second base and if it turns out that
[SPEAKER_04]: Jordan Westburg is not, maybe not not top five, maybe top ten at third base.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if it Adley's not top five, or top five catchers or top five catcher.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then all of a sudden, we have a big problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because we can address some outfield, but we're not going to replace our outfit in our infield.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, this is our infield.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next year, this is our infield.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if they play like this next year, we're going to be on the outside looking in again.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if they play this next year, then this whole rebuild thing is a disaster.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a disaster.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is a disaster.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's very frustrating because it really could be a disaster.
[SPEAKER_06]: If it all falls apart next year.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, it's amazing how bad this season's been.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I know it's tough to come in here and be positive about the Orioles when you just don't even, it's like they're not even trying right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and people talk about the pitching the pitching the pitching, but then I mean, we're just watching game.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the Orioles are just so miserable and boring to watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: And pitching keeps them in games.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the picture camera has been really well outside of April and May's, but you really bought this year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Our run tool.
[SPEAKER_06]: Our run differential is like minus eighty nine negative eighty nine and that is not because we get blown out.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is because we don't score runs.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is our offense.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and, yeah, it's just, it's bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, and then the, the stat I didn't realize this until I was watching, yeah, yes, for his game, that the Orals have not, have not had a walk off all, there's an ultimate baseball to not have a walk off went all year.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, uh, I saw, Laurie, I don't have one for, uh, the Padres is past week.
[SPEAKER_06]: How that can we take credit for that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, does that count?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's how that works.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, if you add Laurie, I know, and, oh, hern,
[SPEAKER_04]: We have two more players in the top one hundred for weighted runs greater plus.
[SPEAKER_04]: So can we count them?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's part of the offense, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: You take away your two offensive best offensive players.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going to hurt.
[SPEAKER_04]: And hopefully you address it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But those guys should not have been our best offensive players.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I told you going to the year that two or three top offensive players would be Ramon, Laryano, and Rhino,
[SPEAKER_04]: You would say, uh, uh, Houston, we have a problem here.
[SPEAKER_04]: They should not be your second and third best option.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, they should not be.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So hey, speaking of next year, you wanted to do this little game with me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to go through some players on the roster.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I want you to tell me that we're watching, you said you're watching for stats for this year.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're also starting to watch for kind of next year.
[SPEAKER_04]: How important is
[SPEAKER_04]: these next two months or how important are these next two months for the following players.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to give you a player name, ten being like they are playing for their careers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like this is the most important two months of their lives.
[SPEAKER_04]: One being, it doesn't matter how they play the next two months.
[SPEAKER_04]: There really is no impact going forward for next.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's start with, let's start with an easy one, Jackson Holiday.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a one, doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't matter at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: He couldn't have no hits the rest of the season.
[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's your starting second basement next year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I would give him a fix.
[SPEAKER_06]: Can I tell you something?
[SPEAKER_06]: I'd like to see them do with Jackson Holiday.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, experiment.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hear me out.
[SPEAKER_04]: He played a little bit of shortstop.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but but when you put him at shortstop, where are you putting gunner?
[SPEAKER_06]: DH.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, I want to see Gunner at third.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to see Holiday at short and I want to see Westburg at second.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why?
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to see, you put your two big, you put a guy that you think has really good range of holiday and then you got a guy with even more range and Gunner on third and a bigger arm at third than Westburg and I want to see how that plays out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, all of them, I feel like I've played a little bit of those positions.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I wonder what their stats bear out.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I don't know if we've seen that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Gunner's a good shortstop.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is great.
[SPEAKER_06]: You think he's a great shortstop and would be a better shortstop.
[SPEAKER_06]: He had a lot of errors early in the season and it's really settled down late this past month or two.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I'd be open to that experiment at this.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just I want to see if you can get more out of holiday than second base.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess that's what my thought is with shortstop.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say this season's important only because holiday is a young player who's still trying to take the next step.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it's kind of important for his for him making the team, but just for him as a player and making the next step, I think it's a little bit important this versus season.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I would love to see him get hot for two months.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we go into this offseason confident that holiday is the real deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: What about Kobe Mayo?
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Kobe Mayo is a good one.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to put in Kobe Mayo.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, now that he's getting every day playing time, I'm going to put him up there at a seven.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's very important because we need to make a decision or if it's Kobe Mayo or first basement or do we bring in a bigger bat for first base like we did with Ryan or something in the past.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, a few options, right, bringing in Rhino Herm and then doing Platoon situation, or the other option is Ryan Maccas, so has one more year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe we see him as the everyday first basement.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Please know.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then the third option would be maybe basile, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: But the basile could be that first basement that I next year.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, I think for Kobe Mayo, there's, there's a good bit of pressure here this last two months to prove that he deserves to be on the roster at an everyday player.
[SPEAKER_04]: Speaking of right Maccast, so where would right Maccastell rank those last two months?
[SPEAKER_06]: I think right Maccastell is I'm going to put him right there at the seven.
[SPEAKER_06]: For the same view is are you going to show that you're good enough to be an everyday first basement next year because or at least a DH because we're running out of space for first basements and DHs and Mountcastell has been disappointing this year.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I like Ryan Mount Castle.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'd love to see him get that that back-back, but we've seen his numbers go down every year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and he's making about seven million this year.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's in this last year's arbitration.
[SPEAKER_04]: So presumably, his contract would go to eight million or something because you always get a raise, even you play bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so the Orals have to make a decision is he worth eight million dollars.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so yeah, I would put this, I got a ten because Ryan Mount Castle is kind of, if it's not with Orals, it was some of the team kind of playing for his career next year.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's our only product, this position, just because we have to go in a different direction, maybe.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and he's the most expensive option as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: From all those options.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, let's deal with some of these outbuilder names.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's see, Tyler Neill's hurt, so I guess for the can include him.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... coat and calzers hurts or really can't include him.
[SPEAKER_04]: So is there anyone Greg Allen, Dylan Carlson, Jeremiah Jackson, I guess now Daniel Johnson's on the team too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is there any of these guys where these last two months matter or all of these guys just out the door at the end of the hall?
[SPEAKER_06]: They're all out the door.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're all gone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Best case scenario for any of these guys is they start to season in Norfolk.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, I want to talk about outfielders that I'm curious about watching this season.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we'll get to that because I think we had to think, I think Friday might be some call-ups.
[SPEAKER_06]: But we can get to that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Friday or next week at the latest out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: OK, so just a couple of pictures.
[SPEAKER_04]: Does this year matter?
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's go with, let's give it the starters.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dean Cramer, Kate Povich, Trevor Rogers,
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I'm really not going to include.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Sagano assume, well, Sagano, if you want to pitch again next year, somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Amongst our starters, who was it kind of the last two months?
[SPEAKER_04]: Most important for who is at least important for most important?
[SPEAKER_06]: Most important.
[SPEAKER_06]: Kate Povich.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm going to say Kate Povich.
[SPEAKER_06]: because I think we've seen some flashes from him and he really needs to prove that he is this year was supposed to be his progressive year to get comfortable and get into the rotation.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's in the rotation prove that you deserve a slot next year.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think Trevor Rogers has already shown enough this year to earn a spot for next year.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I think
[SPEAKER_06]: I almost think if he does too good for the next two months, that's going to give Michaelis is more of Michaelis more reasons to not not resign.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we should refer him to struggle just to.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want him.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to be confident with him.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I want him to go out with a great season as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, he, he, the youngest of that group too, the least experienced Brett, Brett, Brandon Young's also kind of in that conversation, but he struggled so much.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just hard to envision, Brett Brandon Young is being a viable option for the starting five, at least going in next year.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see Brandon Young next year at all.
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it seems like, yeah, and it seems like Dean Cramer is kind of pretty safe for he's at, cop, radish, come back from injury.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think, see, I think Cramer.
[SPEAKER_06]: could be on the bubble.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think I think if povich and Rogers pitch as well as I expect them to, Kramer might be the odd man out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because you're going to have tall bradish and then you're going to have grace and I'll read you as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we need to sign two starting pitchers I would think, which means maybe it is important for Kramer to pitch well.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, forced to go on a, he needs to pitch well.
[SPEAKER_06]: So some other team will give him a chance.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, if you want to sound with something next year.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, I think it's good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyone else you want to talk about?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, I mean, the rest are pretty, I mean, there's really not much to watch for Westburg and Gunner.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Westburg, Gunner, Jackson, Adley.
[SPEAKER_06]: They've, they're all set for next year.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just need them to whatever this bug is that has infected this clubhouse.
[SPEAKER_06]: They've got a fumigated and get it out of here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can I talk about the thing that it irritates me the most about my Elias, and this deleted to discussion also probably about them.
[SPEAKER_04]: The universe and others being caught up
[SPEAKER_04]: Josh, we're at a point now in the season where it's kind of over the fangraft of zero odds.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've had some injuries, even now it's been done with Colton Cowes are that's led to some of these weird, weird call ups.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we've seen this on the pitch inside too, a lot of way of reclaims, even the guy like nota.
[SPEAKER_04]: And what irritates me so much is my galious has been in this in the home since two thousand eighteen, two thousand nineteen's when he started to kind of rebuild this whole team from the ground up.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's rebuilt this team for the last six years for the ground up.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we make some trades and have an injury happen.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there is no one from the miners we can call up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Even a guy like Judge Fabian, who is, bless his heart, Judge Fabian, who is, you know, played all year in the miners, has been in the system.
[SPEAKER_04]: Judge Fabian was drafted in May, when he was twenty-two, spent his last three years in the system, working his way up the miners, played in, what, three hundred and fifty, mindlessly, games at this point.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now Alvastadden, you have all these injuries, he's not young about young, he's twenty-four.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now Alvastadden, you have an opportunity
[SPEAKER_04]: to get caught up.
[SPEAKER_04]: And my galitis is passing on Judd Fabian and picks up, you know, Greg Allen and whoever Dylan Johnson or whatever, I just make it up names here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Day, you know, Johnson thought, but he goes, way of science, waver claims instead of using our own guys to see if we have anything there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, even if we don't have anything there, even if we don't have anything there, I know we don't have anything Greg Allen.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know we don't have anything in Carlson and Johnson.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know there's nothing there.
[SPEAKER_04]: So why not give a guy just for like the team morale and for the principal thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Give a guy that you dropped it and it's been working his butt off through the miners.
[SPEAKER_04]: Give him a shot because next year Josh, next year we're going to be bringing them around theaters.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next year, cows are going to be healthy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next year in Ricky Bradford, you and your hopefully will be a year closer.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next year, Dylan Beaver's will be there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so judge, baby, it's possible.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, that judge, baby, never gets another chance.
[SPEAKER_04]: to play in the majors, and this is one shot with nothing really matters, and you can reward Judd Fabian, because you dropped him, and my glass does it, and then goes to the waiver claim.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Do you think it's a fear that Judge Fabian will come up and be so bad that you can't even talk about him in trades?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like that he will lose value.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's twenty four.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's not like in that prospect status anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you have another guy, but the other guy that's really irritated me watching just in the way of a claim.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know much about them, but I know Austin Roth or Houston.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm starting to awesome Houston Roth.
[SPEAKER_04]: has been having a great year.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's five and a year of two point zero eight in the miners that this year.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's twenty seven.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was drafted by the Orioles in nineteen ninety eight.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's been, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm not drafted.
[SPEAKER_04]: In two thousand nineteen drafted born in nineteen eight.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's twenty seven drafted in two thousand nineteen in the twenty ninth round worked his way up through the miners.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now he has a shot because of all these injuries and trades.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it gets caught up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Doesn't get fun to a game with the Orioles caught up twice and then sent back down for some other waiver claim.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like this is a chance to reward Houston Roth for being in the system.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he was in that first year, Michael ISIS first draft.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's been here for six, this and for six years.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I would love to see some of the
[SPEAKER_04]: call-ups, not go to waiver claims, but rewarding your own guys who have been working their tail off in the miners.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like why won't Michael eyes do that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Ah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know unless I know Norfolk is playing really well, is he like, I'm not going to mess that team up.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want that team to win the divisional championship.
[SPEAKER_04]: That'd be stupid.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it was like, well, nothing matters up here for the Orioles, but we could win the, uh, we could win whatever the minor league championship is, and then it looks good for our, our draft picks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm teaching them how to win down there instead of teaching them how to lose.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, maybe he's intrigued.
[SPEAKER_04]: He likes other players better than he likes other teams.
[SPEAKER_04]: He isn't intrigued by players and other organizations more than he is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, he's done.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think he has a big.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can fix humanity.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I think he has a big, like I want to show that you suck over there, but come here and you'll do well.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, how about you fix your own guys, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like how about you?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I agree with all that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just don't understand it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't understand what I was claiming guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ricky Gark, Garcia might be a fine reliever, but I'd rather watch Houston Rock pitch.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Greg Allen, I know he's not going to be a good outbuilder.
[SPEAKER_04]: So even if that baby and struck out every at bat, at least he gets that a reward, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: That kind of build the morale, like listen, hey guys in our folk, you could be called up.
[SPEAKER_04]: I keep on working hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, how depressing is it to be a Norfolk Tides player to see all these injuries and trades and to see my galized continually go to the waiver wire to fill up the roster when you're just sitting there waiting for your call up, not knowing if it'll ever happen.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I mean, if Houston, if he, if he, if he doesn't get the chance this year, I don't know if he'll ever get a chance in this, this is the, I mean, this is the time, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the perfect scenario to get some of these young players who've been working to tell off in the miners a shot for two months.
[SPEAKER_04]: to plan the majors.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Michael, I won't do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it ticks me off Josh.
[SPEAKER_04]: It really ticks me off.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the result is it's not entertaining because I'd rather have a jet babe in the Greg Allen and the results are frankly, it's embarrassing that we have to go claim guys like Greg Allen that no one else wants to just go up there and strike out every time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I'd rather see our own, it'd be less embarrassing and it'd be more entertaining.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I totally agree.
[SPEAKER_06]: It would give me, and it would give me a reason to go to a ballgame.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, hey, I want to go see this guy because I've heard about him for years in the minor.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, or watch, I want it fast forward through Jeff Abyns at that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like I fast forward through Allen's at that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I also want to too is, I think another factor might be in my Elias.
[SPEAKER_04]: He is, I think he's obsessed with kind of process and he has this process and he won't deviate from this process.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I mean, I think that's maybe the reason why certain players have been caught up is because you don't get caught up until you do this, this and this.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's no exceptions.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's dumb because this world is full of exceptions.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Judd Fabian is an exception.
[SPEAKER_04]: And also Roth is an exception.
[SPEAKER_04]: And these guys should be here playing for the Orals.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's irritating that they're not.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_06]: But that means I get to go see that I'm going to go, I mentioned I'm going to go tonight and see the Norfolk tide.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I'll get to see Dylan Beaver's lead off.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Bassalo catching, I hope, or it may be even playing first base because he called last night.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're probably first base.
[SPEAKER_04]: So jetfaving in the app field and he's a real probably making a relief appearance.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but I bring up Beaver's and Bassalo because do you think we'll see them on Friday?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Friday the big deadline for numbers of days and that's yeah, that's where you can bring it up on Friday and you don't need to really worry about hitting those numbers for losing your rookie right and the deal with the rookie status is kind of interesting because I don't think this is how the role was meant to be but they made this rule I think to incentivize
[SPEAKER_04]: teams for calling up prospect earlier than they want to by saying, you know, if he's has if he's a top hundred prospect and you call them up and he wins rookie the year, then you get an extra traffic to incentivize calling them up earlier so they can win rookie the year.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what's happening here is this is my class incentive to not call them up, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because
[SPEAKER_04]: you want to maintain that rookie eligibility.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it only works if he's a top minor standard as Josh, it only works if you're a top hundred prospect in two lists.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I forget the list is like baseball America, MLB pipeline, and there's one more list.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you have to be a top hundred prospect on two with a three list.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's interesting because Dylan Beaver is right on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's on the top hundred and a baseball America, but it's not on the top hundred on the other two lists.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he has to be for this whole plan to work for my allies and make it worth holding him down.
[SPEAKER_04]: But besides there and all the lists.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Presumably, I'll make sense.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Bieber's, I guess, you're holding out hope that, hey, this offseason, they'll bump him up on the list.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, because it's, yeah, the preseason, top one on our list is what matters.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, is there any motivation then to be like, hey, we're not going to bring them up because I want his numbers at Tripoy to be even better.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, we'll get on this list.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Orioles have not had a lot of success.
[SPEAKER_04]: We talked about before with players having immediate success when they get to the major.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Orioles have also not had any success at all at bringing guys up early.
[SPEAKER_06]: They never did the lay in the lay in the lay.
[SPEAKER_06]: They never give people a chance when they're hot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they send them back down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: All the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I really do hope they don't.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, and also it's just such an obvious need on this team now is an outbuilder.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Dylan Beaver's makes all the sense in the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I hope he's caught up on Friday and if not, I hope he's caught up very soon in the early next week.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Does it make sense exactly like you said, because we definitely need.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a huge need.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, certainly there's room in this roster for both the silo and
[SPEAKER_04]: and bevers and if they're not caught up by early next week.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean fans, Josh, I don't know if I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you have a better sense of this than I do, because you interact with social media more.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it feels to me that the state of oil fandom right now, I don't know if it's ever been in a more hostile, I mean, in place.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it can't recall it being more hostile.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is very hostile.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I want to talk about this.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's about team.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's also about business, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, in the business side, this I want to get to, because the business side, the team frustrations, we all know how to handle as fans.
[SPEAKER_06]: We can deal with, this is not our first losing season.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've been through losing.
[SPEAKER_06]: The die hards have been through losing.
[SPEAKER_06]: You want to piss off some die hards.
[SPEAKER_06]: You go and you set this season up.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then you send a nice email saying, Hey, by the way, we're going to force you to buy more tickets next year.
[SPEAKER_06]: You've been our most loyal fans of packages.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna increase Maryland State has increased at our stadium taxes and our food and beverage taxes.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we're gonna increase all ticket prices only three percent.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna be nice to you.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're only gonna go up three percent at the rate of inflation.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's inflation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look at those grocery store.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look at those egg prices.
[SPEAKER_06]: Three percent no big deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: But you know what?
[SPEAKER_06]: You know that thirteen game plan you have.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't like that you only buy thirteen games from us.
[SPEAKER_06]: You now have to buy twenty games from us.
[SPEAKER_06]: But you can sell back some of them, Josh.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll get to the sell back.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know that twenty nine game plan you had for us.
[SPEAKER_06]: I am so appreciative that you spent your hard earned money to buy twenty nine games for a team that barely won twenty nine games.
[SPEAKER_06]: It feels like
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we're going to go ahead and say, you have to now buy forty.
[SPEAKER_06]: And a, are you one of those lucky Oreo fans that for years have committed to every Sunday home game, you're coming to the stadium that you bought that Sunday, only package.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, you know what?
[SPEAKER_06]: We're going to make you buy other days of the week two for now on because we're just want to screw you because
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, baseball, football, all professional sports has this great tradition.
[SPEAKER_06]: When you win the championship, you sell championship gear, you put gold thread in your uniforms, you charge double the price, you raise your ticket prices because there's this huge demand.
[SPEAKER_06]: So find a man.
[SPEAKER_06]: He can opt.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the Orioles are thinking out of the box here and they're going the opposite way.
[SPEAKER_06]: When you can't fill the stadium, when your fan base is walking out early in frustration, when your fan base is turning off the TV, because they're so disgusted with how this team is playing, let's raise ticket prices.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's demand more from our fans.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's make sure that and we'll
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll try to make it sound like a good deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, since you're the season ticket holders, we've added new perks for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: We now guarantee that when you come to a giveaway game, you don't have to come two and a half hours early.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll have that Hawaiian shirt for you sitting right here in the members only entrance.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll take care of you.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_06]: I understand we're asking you to now buy twenty games instead of thirteen.
[SPEAKER_06]: So what we'll let you do is we'll let you sell back a few of those games.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now now now hold on.
[SPEAKER_06]: You have to sell back them before the season starts so that we can resell those tickets and hold on.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to pay you back the money for those by selling back.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean that you can trade those tickets into us and we will credit you for next year's season because if you're coming on this season,
[SPEAKER_06]: You've already been here for thirty years.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to be back next season.
[SPEAKER_06]: So what's it really matter if we're just storing your money?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because you know what it matters?
[SPEAKER_06]: That is where it irritates me.
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is Peter Antilose.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wish Peter Antilose had thought of this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because it's the biggest Peter Antilose move ever.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's the same crap they do for the playoff tickets.
[SPEAKER_06]: When you buy playoff tickets.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't get the you buy them and you have to buy them in August.
[SPEAKER_06]: And when the Orioles don't make the playoffs, we will refine your money in December.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because meanwhile, that money sits in our bank account earned an interest.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we've made millions of dollars off of your delayed payment.
[SPEAKER_04]: And not, not, not only that, but now you're limited on what you can do with those funds, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: You have to have some Orioles.
[SPEAKER_06]: So now, I've returned those tickets that I will not get the product for to use them for the follow-in season.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I bought a coupon into getting a deal for the next season.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now you are making millions of dollars because you're not storing that money for three months.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're now storing it for a whole year.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's the most inconsiderate thing that I can think of that this organization has done to their fan base.
[SPEAKER_06]: And to come off a
[SPEAKER_06]: I, I may have to take talk about this that's gone pretty well.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I called this the most disappointing season in decades.
[SPEAKER_04]: He almost had viral things that but pretty well pretty well.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's got like thirty or forty thousand.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's pretty impressive.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, it's more than I've told them.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I have one of my videos, especially when it's very focused on partner warriors.
[SPEAKER_06]: So
[SPEAKER_06]: I said this was the most disappointing season in decades and I stand by that because this season had so many expectations.
[SPEAKER_06]: This season, the expectation was world series or bust.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that we are one of the worst teams in baseball.
[SPEAKER_06]: The athletics beat us last weekend.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are the worst, we are one of the worst teams in baseball.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's unacceptable.
[SPEAKER_04]: And to come out as we have a trade away and we trade away, you know, a group of our best players.
[SPEAKER_04]: And because we're not trying to win, you're not trying to win.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not trying to lock things up for the future.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not giving us any more talk than the same talk you do every time about, hey, this offseason, we'll see what happens.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no one to contract after next year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you've got me, you've got me sucked in because this stupid team is part of my family.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you are taking advantage of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: and you are taking advantage of it instead of saying, hey, we owe it to our fan base.
[SPEAKER_06]: You just had the stupid bananas in Baltimore packed out Camden yards.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I hate the argument that, oh, look, the bananas sold Camden yards out two days.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because if the Orioles played only two-hung games a year, they would be sold out every year.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I hate the comparison.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's apples and bananas.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought they put in a good game because they're crying.
[SPEAKER_04]: But at least it wasn't on a school night.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_06]: What they should have learned from that is, hey, what do the bananas do that we can learn from?
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want the goofy baseball.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want the goofy TikTok videos.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want back flips in the outfield.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but you know what they want.
[SPEAKER_04]: What they want, you know what they do.
[SPEAKER_06]: What I want is for them to put the fans first.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what they do, Josh.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's everything about the bananas.
[SPEAKER_06]: The bananas corporate company is called fans first.
[SPEAKER_06]: The bananas brought out Adam Jones, Matt Weeders, and Buck show water.
[SPEAKER_06]: that I miss one and Nick Markekis.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, beloved Orioles.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, people who have the Orioles abroad, any of them out would get a stand and avation.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know we just had Adam Jones for Orioles Hall of Fame.
[SPEAKER_06]: But why not invite Puck Showwater back?
[SPEAKER_06]: I think Puck was there for that as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he was there.
[SPEAKER_06]: But why not a special buck thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why not celebrate Nick Marquacus, celebrate these guys?
[SPEAKER_06]: But judge that fans aren't first.
[SPEAKER_06]: What is first?
[SPEAKER_04]: Surely winning the dollar sign apparently.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not doing it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all about the money.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what it seems like.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Rubenstein, you came in as his fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, I'm a fan.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was looking for the Bible head somewhere over here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it's right up here.
[SPEAKER_04]: How far away is he?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's he of getting a clown nose, he's shirt.
[SPEAKER_06]: You started the season off with your own Bible head.
[SPEAKER_04]: Was that this year?
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought it was this year because last year he was throwing out the hats.
[SPEAKER_06]: How much, how much, how much he threw out the hat?
[SPEAKER_06]: He's throwing out hats anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not good.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's not good.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's not, he's not making you, if you want to see Rubenstein, you better turn on CNBC because he's not showing up in one or else.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's not sitting on the front row with Cal Ripkin anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's so incredibly frustrating.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I think that's right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But, but here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_06]: leave this team.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't be like, hey, I know what, I'm going to be a race fan now.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to be a brave fan.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, what they're going to do is I'm going to still want to buy this stupid season tickets.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but Josh, is this going to backfire?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think a lot of people aren't.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think a lot of people aren't.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to totally backfire.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's going to hurt a tendency.
[SPEAKER_06]: I see it all over.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm getting messages sent to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's all over Twitter.
[SPEAKER_06]: And oh, people talk this.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then here's a talk, but Josh, they're like you.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're me.
[SPEAKER_04]: There were a little bit addicted.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: But here's about because you're mad.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's another thing, you know, come March.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I have a drug problem and it's the bottom of Orioles.
[SPEAKER_06]: I get that.
[SPEAKER_06]: But there's a lot of people who signed up for season ticket plans as they saw the rebuild go in and saying, Hey, I'm going to be there for the world series.
[SPEAKER_06]: Those people aren't continuing.
[SPEAKER_04]: what we would we we live in freaking flarda and Georgia and we keep what their season take us mostly because playoffs now a sudden I'm hoping I am playoffs if you come if you have a combination for the inability to sell out the playoff games because you jacked the prices so so much and I mean what I mean how likely is it that's always make the playoffs next year anyway I know what what is my anthem now for for forgetting the season.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah that is
[SPEAKER_06]: There's also the Oscar game incentive that keeps being teased at the Oscar game will come back in a few years.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all teases.
[SPEAKER_04]: Shut it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anything.
[SPEAKER_06]: It just doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_06]: It doesn't make business sense.
[SPEAKER_06]: You just pissed off your fan base that was already having a bad year.
[SPEAKER_06]: You were like, how can we get everyone to look not at the bad product on the field?
[SPEAKER_06]: But look somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_04]: You need to do distraction from this is Greg Allen's center field.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is Trump doesn't want to put out the Epstein list.
[SPEAKER_06]: So let's go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Hillary's emails.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look over there.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is a distraction.
[SPEAKER_06]: Who cares?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's all bad.
[SPEAKER_06]: deal with it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't piss people off.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know, obviously, too, like, you watched his team on the road.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was about to last night's game.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ryan Maccas, so almost had a game walk off home, Ron, and just went a few feet foul, maybe thirty feet foul.
[SPEAKER_04]: And fans were going nuts.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was a well-attended game.
[SPEAKER_04]: And on the road, we always have strong representation on the road.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, real fans are great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Even with the fanbase and so why do you need to make it like it just seems like this is like an easy one.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's an easy one and you're just missing it out the only logic I can make sense of yeah, why why thirteen to twenty?
[SPEAKER_06]: because I think they looked at this last off season.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they said, Hey, we're going to make a strong push in the playoffs this year.
[SPEAKER_06]: We might have a chance of the world series.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is like a five year plan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they're like, you know what, the end of this season, we're racing ticket prices.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're expanding these packages because people are going to be on fire for the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think they did this five year tenure projection of money and resigning people and all this crowd and renovation to the stadium last week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: They said, oh, we're going to put in this new jumbo tron, this new town system.
[SPEAKER_06]: We got to pay for all that.
[SPEAKER_06]: But because we're going to win, we can raise all these tickets and make more tickets.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then they didn't win.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the business guy said, well, we still have to pay for all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think it's a huge loss.
[SPEAKER_06]: for the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's gonna be a horrible PR.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're not gonna get as many renewals.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if the team plays well, yeah, you'll sell more single game tickets next season.
[SPEAKER_06]: But you got to prove that.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't want that.
[SPEAKER_06]: You want to lock up season ticket holders.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because what happens in June when the season goes like it is now, no one's going to come.
[SPEAKER_06]: Matt, we've been season ticket holders for thirty years.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thirty years before that, we were on a wait list for many years.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because you could not get season tickets because it would sell out every year.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: We, the goal is to get back to that point, pissing off your fan base does not do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, and the combination of the business plus the play on the field, which is just making this, and it's a business master, and oil fans are ready to be upset.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll see you there next year.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll see you on open today.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: Gotta go see your tide tonight.
[SPEAKER_06]: What am I doing?
[SPEAKER_04]: I was a new hobby.
[SPEAKER_04]: The type actually.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the type is a better deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got plans when they come here and plan when I had to go see him too.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to go see them and Jacksonville.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let the jumbo shrimp get all my money.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's where I'm going to the wouldn't striker's taking it my money.
[SPEAKER_06]: Tonight's game.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a bring your dog to the yard.
[SPEAKER_06]: Have you ever been to a park in the park?
[SPEAKER_06]: I've been to parks in the park.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it a noise?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it annoying?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, they're usually, I mean, they're not up in the sections we're up in.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're usually down hanging out by the statues and I am down in that area.
[SPEAKER_06]: I am taking my dog.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I take it.
[SPEAKER_04]: For the jumbo shrimp, I think it was for the fire or the jumbo shrimp.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I'm taking the dog to the jumbo shrimp type game tonight.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll see how that goes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, see how that goes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully easier than taking kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Any, any cool giveaways?
[SPEAKER_04]: The miners always have the cool giveaways.
[SPEAKER_04]: Any giveaways?
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, this work.
[SPEAKER_06]: I believe we're taking the kids this weekend for pickleball paddles.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, fine.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know why?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because the jumbo shrimp care about their fans.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, and even the Braves, they always have every Sunday, Josh, at the Braves games, they have giveaways for kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: I almost went last week, they were doing the sliders, whatever you put on your hand for a slide.
[SPEAKER_04]: The other meant, and then in two weeks, I might go in two weekends, they're doing, they're like little, you know, the covers for golf clubs, but it's a cover for baseball.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, like a bat warmer.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're about, um, and they do it every Sunday.
[SPEAKER_06]: First, five thousand.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what, uh, you know what, uh, you know, the geometers from the disease this offseason.
[SPEAKER_06]: I haven't been to a game yet this season of the jumbo shrimp.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I'm excited because what they did this offseason is they did an amazing renovation to their stadium.
[SPEAKER_06]: They built a whole new section.
[SPEAKER_06]: They built a indoor area.
[SPEAKER_06]: They built a new pavilion out in the outfield, new scoreboard, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they didn't raise ticket prices.
[SPEAKER_04]: Imagine that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Didn't know that was allowed.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_04]: I went to this weekend, I went to the hawks.
[SPEAKER_04]: They invited me out there as, you know, because I went last year and the ticket ramp invited me out to kind of sell me season tickets.
[SPEAKER_04]: They said, I'll give me a tour of, like, behind the scenes and say, I said, all right, I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_06]: You say you're with section three, three, six, try to get some passes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, for the Atlanta Hawks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we don't talk basketball, but we could.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, anyway, I got sold on all, it's just interest because I was sold on all, and we got to walk in the court.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was really cool, but I was sold on all of the different Blacks plans and ticket options.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they have a Flex plan where you kind of build your own.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the minimum of ten games build your own Flex plan.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Orioles are introducing that with a ten game plan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, a ten game flex plan, but you don't get a member of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: You get no member perks.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no promise giveaways or whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, is this the way pricing works?
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't, I didn't know I did this how pricing works for NBA games, at least for the Hawks, where there's no set prices in a game.
[SPEAKER_04]: It all fluctuates based on the blinding man.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the takers game, he said you can't do a labor-decker's game for cheaper than two hundred dollars, even buying directly from the Hawks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why do you think that's what the Orioles are trying to copy?
[SPEAKER_06]: That's why we have Flex Price and that's why when the Yankees come to town, they jack up the price.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But, but this is game to game.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess is where we're headed maybe.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was actually what the Orioles do.
[SPEAKER_06]: It changes from game to game.
[SPEAKER_06]: Change is dependent on who the opponent is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And whether it's weekend or weekday.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's called Flexible Price and it sucks.
[SPEAKER_04]: How many different prices are there, though?
[SPEAKER_06]: Are there enough flexible prices for each game that each I think I think for the Orioles there's three there's three boxes that the game could be in.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is never a put in your fans first.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so it's completely frustrating.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if you don't think we were selling out, we're not.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was building up the stadium.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's, I'm trying to calm down from that rant about.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like Josh, we talked about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: We talked about the time on here.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a baseball.
[SPEAKER_04]: How much easier and just all sports.
[SPEAKER_04]: How much easier does it become watching on TV?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like we need incentives now to go out to a game because they'll some perceiving it to watch it on.
[SPEAKER_04]: at home on our TVs.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you give us incentives to come, not right, more tickets and more price.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's just like when they raised beer prices, I'm like, why?
[SPEAKER_06]: You want to sell less beer?
[SPEAKER_06]: lower the price, and you'll sell more beer, and you're, I'm only making a dollar per beer instead of two dollars per beer, but I'm selling twice the amount, so I'll make more money in the end.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, or rate the beer prices, but don't touch my ticket prices.
[SPEAKER_04]: Give people a door, let them spend money on other beer.
[SPEAKER_04]: You won't, but let them buy stuff in the stadium.
[SPEAKER_06]: You want to sell more beer, tear out a big section of left field upper deck.
[SPEAKER_06]: put a big section up there like the Braves did, a beer garden up there, incentivized people to come in the stadium and drink and start to go to pickles and drink.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, make those tickets super cheap to just stay there, stand them only up there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I do not.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not business people, Josh.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure there's a plan.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would love to kind of
[SPEAKER_04]: Get a business for it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think the Orioles are not a business.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they have people who do this for a living and they need to fire whoever rolled out to take it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're pulling on here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and see you still got me all fired up.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Orioles also, you know how else you piss people off when you roll this out.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you don't have all your stuff together, but you just roll out, hey, we're gonna screw you more.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then every season ticket holder emails their rep that they've had for years and they've had a thirty year interaction with.
[SPEAKER_06]: and what you get in response is the same for me mail that I'm seeing all over Twitter from other ticket reps as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: That just says blah, blah, blah, wait till you get your, your thing in two weeks, your brochure about the new ticket packages.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I don't want to hear it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's the for me mail and I still have no info for you because there's a brochure coming out in two weeks.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that is real.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a small thing, Josh.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that really is so inconsiderate.
[SPEAKER_04]: Look, so rude and so just you don't want to pause with people.
[SPEAKER_06]: or I don't put this on Carlos, our ticket wrap.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've talked, we've mentioned Carlos's name on here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have, he's gonna take whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: Every Orioles fan fest I've gone to, I go and track down Carlos to shake his hand and thank him for being our ticket wrap.
[SPEAKER_06]: Our ticket, you are a member ID, it's like five or six numbers.
[SPEAKER_06]: A lot of people, their member ID is like ten digits long now.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've been on here forever.
[SPEAKER_06]: And when you respond,
[SPEAKER_06]: with a form email, which tells me, and when I see the same form email all over Twitter, it tells me they have told their ticket reps only respond with this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, copy and paste, probably write my chat to B.T.
[SPEAKER_04]: And one of the things where I was at the Hawks thing, going through their spiel, and I'm not gonna do membership there, but I think about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I was like, listen, if I get, like I want, are you gonna be my ticket reps?
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's like, yeah, I'm at every game.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can call me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I will.
[SPEAKER_04]: He can come say how to me every game.
[SPEAKER_04]: And like part of the
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, like part of the incentive for doing this is that you get a guy who's looking out for you, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that's the whole idea, the ticket rep is there looking out for your interest.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that feels like they're not looking out for your interest anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: It feels like they're looking out for the team.
[SPEAKER_06]: And over the years, it was, it was great.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's many times where I've called Carlos and said, hey, we want to do an event for three, thirty six.
[SPEAKER_06]: Can you help me out?
[SPEAKER_06]: And he takes care of it and the range is at all.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or I call him and be like, hey, we can't make it to this game.
[SPEAKER_06]: Move my tickets here.
[SPEAKER_06]: He takes care of it all.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's been grazed for thirty years.
[SPEAKER_06]: This form email is the first.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because it's, again, it's part of this fans first.
[SPEAKER_04]: It doesn't feel like that's the case.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's no such thing as fans first in Orioles baseball.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know who does a good job putting fans first?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because I didn't have any bananas.
[SPEAKER_06]: They bought them a ravens.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like just look wait next door.
[SPEAKER_06]: They do things all the time for their fans.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: They do, I think the preseason games and stuff, they do like workouts and all that's free for the fans.
[SPEAKER_06]: They do things for the fans.
[SPEAKER_06]: They have give away little trinkets every day and I believe.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you know what Josh, too?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the big thing with the Ravens, I would be here.
[SPEAKER_04]: They say it's every year.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they go back every year all the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if it's here, win.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you don't do the fan stuff right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Good.
[SPEAKER_04]: You feel good about that, Josh?
[SPEAKER_04]: Good on you, sir.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know you got kick shots now, if you can go off with them.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll be going back to TikTok in this video.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry, Josh, I'm pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm so pissed off because I'm
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we should start charging.
[SPEAKER_06]: Take something out of the oil.
[SPEAKER_06]: The team sucks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Pay more.
[SPEAKER_06]: The team sucks.
[SPEAKER_06]: The less people less than the team sucks.
[SPEAKER_04]: The less people more.
[SPEAKER_06]: The people less than the team sucks.
[SPEAKER_04]: The people less than the team sucks.
[SPEAKER_06]: The people less than the team sucks.
[SPEAKER_05]: The people less than the team sucks.
[SPEAKER_05]: Alright, let me go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for listening.
[SPEAKER_05]: You follow us on X and Twitter, and I picked out the course.
[SPEAKER_05]: Follow me on X, and I'm technically sick.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll grab it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll throw it up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thanks for letting me go.
[SPEAKER_05]: As always, we've got to come.
[SPEAKER_04]: Go.