WEBVTT 00:02.518 --> 00:05.219 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey guys, and welcome to the Christian parenting podcast. 00:05.339 --> 00:12.082 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm your health stuff, Thirling, and each week, we have thoughtful conversations that encourage you to raise your kids with intention, faith, and grace. 00:12.682 --> 00:17.183 [SPEAKER_00]: I really hope that this podcast reminds you that you are never alone in this journey of parenting. 00:17.884 --> 00:26.327 [SPEAKER_00]: In today's episode, I am joined by Alyssa Johnston, who is a mom, author, and a justice advocate, as she shares what it means to raise justice-minded kids. 00:26.887 --> 00:35.272 [SPEAKER_00]: We talk about how to help our children grow in compassion, navigate today's cultural pressures with biblical values, and take some small steps that make a big difference. 00:35.873 --> 00:42.917 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely go check out her book, Justice Minded Kids, bite-sized challenges to empower kids to practice justice, compassion, and love. 00:43.638 --> 00:51.503 [SPEAKER_00]: So whether you're new to the conversation around justice or looking for practical ways to involve your family, this episode is definitely going to speak to your heart and home, so enjoy. 01:01.903 --> 01:02.464 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Lisa. 01:02.504 --> 01:04.226 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Christian Parenting podcast. 01:05.107 --> 01:06.589 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, I'm so happy to be here. 01:06.609 --> 01:09.053 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's going to be really fun. 01:09.133 --> 01:10.635 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just lovely to have you here. 01:10.675 --> 01:13.138 [SPEAKER_00]: We're able to chat a little bit before we start recording. 01:13.238 --> 01:15.762 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited to continue the conversation. 01:15.802 --> 01:16.342 [SPEAKER_00]: So thank you. 01:17.527 --> 01:18.267 [SPEAKER_00]: My pleasure. 01:18.767 --> 01:21.828 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to start just kind of getting to know you a little bit. 01:22.288 --> 01:23.348 [SPEAKER_00]: So tell us about yourself. 01:23.768 --> 01:27.289 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell us about the work that you do and then tell us about your family too because we want to know about them. 01:27.889 --> 01:28.510 [SPEAKER_01]: Hmm. 01:28.530 --> 01:28.950 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:29.150 --> 01:32.290 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll start with my family because they're probably most on my mind. 01:32.450 --> 01:38.972 [SPEAKER_01]: I have four kids from the end of high school to nursery school. 01:39.640 --> 01:41.882 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little gap there that was not expected. 01:41.902 --> 01:42.863 [SPEAKER_01]: We got that surprise. 01:42.923 --> 01:44.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're at the end. 01:44.644 --> 01:48.667 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm trying to juggle trying to figure out how to, you know, parent and adult who, 01:49.883 --> 01:54.824 [SPEAKER_01]: about to go off to college at the same time, I'm, you know, dragging around a toddler with me. 01:55.284 --> 02:01.126 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's been a challenge, but they are all wonderful kids, three boys and the oldest is a girl. 02:02.666 --> 02:04.326 [SPEAKER_01]: Been married for about twenty years. 02:06.027 --> 02:12.028 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's see, about myself, I am a writer and a coach and a consultant. 02:13.088 --> 02:19.010 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually originally started doing missions work and kind of got involved in trying to figure out how to do 02:19.690 --> 02:45.106 [SPEAKER_01]: good better as we were doing missions work and got involved in justice issues and ended up starting some anti trafficking nonprofits along the way in ministries and backpack programs and now I do writing about that in coaching and consulting on that, but also I kind of burnt out in the process and had to relearn how to live life a little bit more with God than just doing things on mission for God. 02:45.166 --> 02:48.809 [SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of shifted my life and what I wrote a lot about and 02:49.229 --> 02:52.331 [SPEAKER_01]: went through some health issues and trauma along the way. 02:52.351 --> 02:53.431 [SPEAKER_01]: So now I write about that too. 02:53.471 --> 02:59.954 [SPEAKER_01]: So I have multiple places I write and you know, I just kind of go with the flow, whatever opportunities available. 02:59.994 --> 03:03.556 [SPEAKER_01]: That's that's what I spend my time on for a season. 03:04.937 --> 03:11.000 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like everybody can relate to that process of having to slow down for a second and just like 03:11.993 --> 03:16.618 [SPEAKER_00]: reevaluate and live life with God and for God instead of just like doing things. 03:17.979 --> 03:27.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, I think that for COVID that was a that was a benefit of it for a lot of people, but I've also seen that unless you really kind of revamped your life and 03:28.530 --> 03:31.673 [SPEAKER_01]: and restructured the way that you do things. 03:31.693 --> 03:34.556 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's very easy to get sucked back into normal life. 03:34.616 --> 03:39.481 [SPEAKER_01]: And even right now, I'm like, okay, today I have this, and this, and I have this job. 03:39.781 --> 03:48.569 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's just stop and calm down and pray because none of this really matters unless I'm doing it, you know, in connection and peace with God. 03:48.609 --> 03:51.152 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, and I'm like, I know, I've done this. 03:51.532 --> 03:52.412 [SPEAKER_01]: I can come back to this. 03:52.473 --> 03:59.416 [SPEAKER_01]: I can come back to peace for a little bit and spend time with my father before I start going off and trying to change the world's war. 03:59.656 --> 04:06.180 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, yeah, I think everybody goes through seasons where they where they need that or where they discover they need that. 04:07.037 --> 04:07.237 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:07.517 --> 04:14.699 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're just all, so no matter what you do, whether you work outside the home or not, or what type of work you do, we're just all so busy. 04:15.099 --> 04:15.399 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 04:15.419 --> 04:20.000 [SPEAKER_00]: And everything is so important, but it's like, none of it's that important if we're not. 04:20.020 --> 04:20.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:20.941 --> 04:21.561 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, oh, yeah. 04:21.701 --> 04:26.762 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's very, yeah, I got to figure out what is the most important in that, because some things got to give. 04:27.522 --> 04:27.742 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 04:28.542 --> 04:30.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it's only what we can do at all. 04:30.806 --> 04:31.867 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a nice, right? 04:31.907 --> 04:32.687 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know. 04:33.168 --> 04:34.628 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll have a little more time in the day. 04:34.649 --> 04:35.369 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be helpful. 04:37.050 --> 04:40.192 [SPEAKER_00]: But we're gonna, we'll get to that still too. 04:40.272 --> 04:42.133 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure we'll go back to that topic. 04:42.173 --> 04:49.398 [SPEAKER_00]: But we are talking about justice today and some of the work that you have done and some of the things that you're really passionate about. 04:49.438 --> 04:57.723 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about how to really implement this in our homes to nurture compassion and love in a heart for justice in our families. 04:57.783 --> 05:00.365 [SPEAKER_00]: So I would love for you to start with 05:01.293 --> 05:08.194 [SPEAKER_00]: What it means for you to raise justice minded kids or raising change of makers as you like to say to you. 05:08.752 --> 05:09.672 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah. 05:09.852 --> 05:17.335 [SPEAKER_01]: For me, that is really just means that I want to instill them values that they can take with them into adulthood. 05:17.875 --> 05:24.397 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I can give them a whole bunch of tasks to do, like this, you can do this, or you can do this, or you can do this. 05:24.517 --> 05:25.858 [SPEAKER_01]: These are good ways to help people. 05:26.278 --> 05:32.340 [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of times, especially in the American church, just kind of gets put into a program or a side 05:32.940 --> 05:40.609 [SPEAKER_01]: a side thing where we're like, okay, these are for those people who are super passionate about anti trafficking or being against racism or whatever it is. 05:40.969 --> 05:47.816 [SPEAKER_01]: And those people are like their own separate category and only if you're amongst them, do you really care about these values? 05:48.397 --> 06:09.242 [SPEAKER_01]: That's something I really don't want in my kids' life because there's so many characteristics that we see that God cares about and those those matter to me like being welcoming and on hospital that's a huge aspect of justice work and that's something that we can foster in their lives now by showing how we act in the characteristics that we act. 06:09.947 --> 06:11.849 [SPEAKER_01]: through or the same thing with compassion. 06:11.889 --> 06:29.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't expect them to be a kind of compassionate adult someday towards other people unless we start practicing it now and we take the time to like ask questions and think about things and put ourselves in other people's shoes and have discussions that help foster that characteristic of compassion. 06:29.743 --> 06:36.529 [SPEAKER_01]: When I talk about raising justice minded kids or change makers, I'm really talking about instilling a set of values that 06:37.209 --> 06:54.067 [SPEAKER_01]: aligned with our biblical values more than more than our American values which is kind of hard sometimes to say but you know sometimes that pursuit of happiness gets in the way of of pursuing the good and flourishing of our neighbor and so kind of trying to help them see 06:54.707 --> 07:06.432 [SPEAKER_01]: where they have the opportunity to step forward and move into God's work of bringing His kingdom here on earth and how they can do that in their everyday life now. 07:06.592 --> 07:16.877 [SPEAKER_01]: That's really something I'm very passionate about in my own life, but also to make sure my kids have that also, or at least are pushed in that direction. 07:17.812 --> 07:27.242 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I want to break that down a little bit more because I think that was really interesting, but you just said about like the American church and what we view as our priorities versus what may be. 07:27.897 --> 07:30.799 [SPEAKER_00]: biblical and just in compassionate. 07:30.839 --> 07:34.081 [SPEAKER_00]: So like just break that down a little bit more. 07:34.101 --> 07:35.442 [SPEAKER_00]: Where do we have to make step? 07:35.782 --> 07:36.182 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 07:36.443 --> 07:38.464 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a hard one. 07:38.504 --> 07:40.665 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to have a few people cancel me after this. 07:40.685 --> 07:47.370 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that, you know, there are, there are some American values that are very, that are, 07:48.343 --> 07:52.306 [SPEAKER_01]: that can align well with biblical values such as, you know, equality. 07:52.946 --> 07:57.148 [SPEAKER_01]: When we live that out, you know, and that's not exactly easy thing to live out. 07:57.569 --> 08:02.152 [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many different arguments, especially in the political realm about what that looks like. 08:02.732 --> 08:04.873 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not really what I'm talking about. 08:04.893 --> 08:08.155 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about, you know, the spaces here. 08:08.235 --> 08:09.216 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me pause for a minute. 08:09.236 --> 08:10.116 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's this word. 08:10.277 --> 08:12.298 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a few words for justice in the Bible. 08:12.378 --> 08:15.179 [SPEAKER_01]: They're in there actually a lot, especially in the Old Testament. 08:16.480 --> 08:17.081 [SPEAKER_01]: And in the 08:17.781 --> 08:25.627 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times, we just translate them as righteousness, which we have a different meaning for in our own way of thinking. 08:25.767 --> 08:30.250 [SPEAKER_01]: We usually think of that as just being made right in the sight of God, like we have a relationship with them. 08:30.550 --> 08:46.882 [SPEAKER_01]: But when we're thinking righteousness as in a lot of times, it's more translated into like the sense of acts of righteousness, or the things that we do that are right in making the world right, or the word shalom, which really means like a piece that comes from people being in right relationship with God and right. 08:47.322 --> 09:03.481 [SPEAKER_01]: relationship with one another in the flourishing the piece of mankind in humankind because we're actually we're actually caring about one another and working together and that type of vision is something that that we might be able to see in our American values to an extent but the 09:03.581 --> 09:25.212 [SPEAKER_01]: thing is is that when we're all pursuing it for ourselves individually and we're not considering how that affects the people around us when both in the new testament and the old testament when they're talking about you or that's really a group you and it's like if I don't live in the south but that would be more like a you all and so when you're starting to think about how that how that works if we start 09:25.872 --> 09:40.924 [SPEAKER_01]: Realizing a lot of these verses when we're thinking about it's for our own personal good is actually talking about the goodness for the community, you know, and thinking in terms of a community and a wider sense rather than just our own goodness. 09:41.304 --> 09:42.805 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that's a challenge. 09:42.945 --> 09:45.908 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's something that is easy for us to step into. 09:45.948 --> 09:53.834 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no like right or wrong answer a lot of it's like case by case basis, but when you're pursuing, when you're teaching, when we're teaching our kids, 09:54.254 --> 09:59.757 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're saying, hey, let's move into what this looks like for the good of the most of us. 09:59.797 --> 10:04.919 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, how does that actually look like what are the consequences of this idea? 10:04.959 --> 10:06.620 [SPEAKER_01]: What is the consequences if we do this? 10:06.700 --> 10:08.480 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and on a kid level, it's very different. 10:08.520 --> 10:11.942 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, well, I have all, I have these juice boxes. 10:12.022 --> 10:12.542 [SPEAKER_01]: What does it mean? 10:12.862 --> 10:14.103 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we see this with our kids. 10:14.123 --> 10:16.844 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, oh, well, you got to each probably bring one for everybody. 10:16.864 --> 10:18.445 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, because that's going to really 10:19.145 --> 10:25.111 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, be hard for the other kids that can't, you know, afford a juice box and they weren't able to have one that day. 10:25.151 --> 10:29.555 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but at the same time, like, then they're like, oh, is there actually enough juice boxes for everybody? 10:29.776 --> 10:40.486 [SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, as an example, it's kind of moving from individualistic thinking and what just makes ourselves in our in-group happy, but also like, how can I think about the people that are outside of my 10:41.091 --> 10:50.868 [SPEAKER_01]: in group and my own personal happiness and to kind of attend to them and recognize you know what hinders them from being able to also get a juice box. 10:51.871 --> 10:52.912 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that example. 10:53.052 --> 10:56.134 [SPEAKER_01]: I might have just lost you with that example, that analogy right there. 10:56.735 --> 10:57.275 [SPEAKER_00]: No, not at all. 10:57.295 --> 11:00.397 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really easy to think about in the sense for kids, too. 11:00.457 --> 11:01.758 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like very practical. 11:02.159 --> 11:05.521 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we all struggle with that, right? 11:05.561 --> 11:08.143 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we all want to think of ourselves first. 11:08.163 --> 11:10.665 [SPEAKER_00]: We're all sinners and we're sinful people. 11:10.845 --> 11:14.228 [SPEAKER_00]: We're so much people by nature, you know, one hundred percent. 11:14.968 --> 11:18.631 [SPEAKER_00]: I think as parents, we want to think of our kids and our families first, too. 11:18.671 --> 11:21.132 [SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes it's easy to get stuck in that bubble. 11:21.152 --> 11:23.894 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we have to do this for our family right now. 11:24.154 --> 11:28.838 [SPEAKER_00]: And you do, but you're like, but are we also considering a big picture here, too? 11:29.038 --> 11:35.222 [SPEAKER_00]: And as yeah, like, and obviously for some things, you have to really seek out just your family, other things you can 11:35.892 --> 11:40.694 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, look bigger picture, whatever, but yeah, seek God and he can guide you in that. 11:41.555 --> 11:56.682 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if you don't, if you don't take the time to do that and seek God and actually consider like, well, maybe we can't give him this way, but maybe we can give him this way, you know, or expand in this way, or whatever that ends up looking like per situation, we tend to not do it. 11:56.882 --> 12:01.805 [SPEAKER_01]: We get in a habit of not doing it, or we don't, we don't naturally raise our kids to do it. 12:01.845 --> 12:02.145 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't, 12:02.745 --> 12:05.107 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't pick that up unless we model that for them. 12:05.307 --> 12:18.457 [SPEAKER_01]: So taking the time to do that is really a huge aspect of raising justice minded kids because they're starting to see that example of like, how do we, how do we care about the people as a wider scope? 12:18.477 --> 12:19.678 [SPEAKER_01]: What does God think about this? 12:19.718 --> 12:22.160 [SPEAKER_01]: What does he think about that person who's there on the outskirts? 12:22.560 --> 12:29.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, how does he want us to treat them versus, you know, focusing on just ourselves and our own survival? 12:29.365 --> 12:31.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is important, but at the same time, 12:31.927 --> 12:34.889 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, you know, there's that tension point of like, well, what is that? 12:34.989 --> 12:37.410 [SPEAKER_01]: What does it really mean to love our neighbor in this situation? 12:38.351 --> 12:38.611 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 12:38.851 --> 12:45.975 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think sometimes for me, when I hear about this, when I think about the word justice, I think like, really big. 12:46.135 --> 12:48.776 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think about all the injustice in the world. 12:48.856 --> 12:49.917 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the big things. 12:50.603 --> 12:52.424 [SPEAKER_00]: you were talking about like trafficking. 12:52.464 --> 13:04.427 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm like, that's not just, but it's good reminder that we can start small to make a big change especially with our kids and how we parent our kids. 13:04.447 --> 13:11.529 [SPEAKER_00]: So like what are some of the small but impactful things that families can do to practice justice in their like daily lives? 13:11.969 --> 13:13.630 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a great question. 13:13.811 --> 13:33.587 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and on that note, that's one of the things that I recommend people do is I tell them to do something like we call it big love and small love or macro love and micro love like a big love would be like think about something on a system wide level for a little bit and be like how can I engage in something that's big in system wide like can I sign a petition can I you know 13:34.167 --> 13:36.490 [SPEAKER_01]: Consider homelessness as like maybe work. 13:36.510 --> 13:50.991 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like volunteer at a homeless shelter because that's a system wide, you know, effect in teaching our kids that they can't actually make an impact on that, but in reality, our everyday life is more, you know, that small love or that everyday moment. 13:51.371 --> 14:03.075 [SPEAKER_01]: where you're encountering people for us that can mean different things like, you know, that means that I keep the bags of stuff for homeless people in our car, but they're not just whatever I think they need over time. 14:03.115 --> 14:06.776 [SPEAKER_01]: We've like had conversations with homeless people be like, well, what do you actually need? 14:06.796 --> 14:07.937 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, oh, I need a 14:08.417 --> 14:33.333 [SPEAKER_01]: transit pass or I need a foot powder or I need I can't eat granola bars because all are you know my teeth are unhealthy and they're not doing okay you know and so learning these things that's like part of doing good better is to ask people actually what they not need rather than assuming what they need that's something we can teach our kids another thing that we do we do lots of intentional acts of kindness where we're like okay 14:33.753 --> 14:42.696 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's pause for a moment, get outside of our own thinking and our own mind, what can we do that would be kind for somebody that would bless them today, who will otherwise not be blessed. 14:42.736 --> 14:52.860 [SPEAKER_01]: And that trains up, you know, that train, we do this big thing every year, kindness, Quest, which is like a, we make our road trip kind and we, you know, we take it as really hard. 14:53.000 --> 15:02.423 [SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like it should be really easy, but it's because we're like, in survival mode and on vacation and we're like, oh, wait, we should do something nice for somebody today and nobody is like, 15:02.943 --> 15:03.883 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do that. 15:04.123 --> 15:05.684 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, look, it takes fifteen minutes. 15:05.724 --> 15:06.384 [SPEAKER_01]: We can do this. 15:06.444 --> 15:06.944 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, guys. 15:06.964 --> 15:08.404 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's think outside of ourselves. 15:08.904 --> 15:11.505 [SPEAKER_01]: What can we do that's kind for somebody today? 15:11.585 --> 15:13.886 [SPEAKER_01]: And that is such a challenging question. 15:14.306 --> 15:19.987 [SPEAKER_01]: It really is hard to think of something like, I mean, I even have a list of freebie on my website that we use. 15:20.287 --> 15:21.787 [SPEAKER_01]: I have it laminated in the car. 15:22.107 --> 15:32.490 [SPEAKER_01]: We're like, here's ideas and it's so hard to like, ever overcome that that, you know, are focused and what we want to do in that moment to actually be like, okay, we can 15:33.070 --> 15:38.975 [SPEAKER_01]: We can push ourselves out of, out of our, what we're focused on right now, getting here, there, whatever. 15:38.995 --> 15:41.096 [SPEAKER_01]: And we can be kind for a few minutes. 15:41.116 --> 15:42.497 [SPEAKER_01]: We can do that, right guys? 15:42.537 --> 15:46.960 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but those like things are like everyday things, but they still require effort. 15:47.121 --> 16:01.031 [SPEAKER_01]: They still require us to like push outside of our comfort zone and our own desires for a moment to be able to engage and doing something nice for somebody else that's not just, you know, your brother, which is still helpful, you know. 16:01.311 --> 16:01.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:02.112 --> 16:02.352 [SPEAKER_01]: Awesome. 16:02.372 --> 16:02.553 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:02.633 --> 16:03.474 [SPEAKER_01]: Be kind to your mother. 16:03.514 --> 16:04.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's learn how to do that. 16:04.395 --> 16:04.575 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:04.635 --> 16:05.476 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's start there. 16:05.616 --> 16:06.798 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the best place. 16:07.118 --> 16:07.338 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:07.378 --> 16:08.099 [SPEAKER_00]: That really is. 16:08.560 --> 16:09.060 [SPEAKER_00]: But okay. 16:09.321 --> 16:12.324 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this road tripping kindness. 16:12.825 --> 16:12.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:13.005 --> 16:13.786 [SPEAKER_00]: Kindest quest. 16:13.806 --> 16:14.767 [SPEAKER_00]: Kindest call it. 16:15.068 --> 16:15.829 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:16.049 --> 16:18.452 [SPEAKER_00]: I am imagining. 16:19.128 --> 16:20.829 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're wrote, we only done one road trip. 16:20.870 --> 16:22.051 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're road trip people. 16:22.351 --> 16:27.815 [SPEAKER_00]: But if you're road tripping and like kids are not being kind to each other, fighting in the back, like things are getting crazy. 16:28.476 --> 16:30.418 [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously it's hard to stop do kindness classes. 16:30.458 --> 16:31.098 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 16:31.118 --> 16:32.980 [SPEAKER_00]: If you just said, but after 16:33.778 --> 16:35.699 [SPEAKER_00]: you do, does it change the dynamic? 16:36.059 --> 16:37.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it does. 16:37.120 --> 16:51.006 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sometimes sometimes it doesn't change the dynamic in the moment, but you know, I think I think a lot of, there's a lot of emotional regulation when it comes to thinking about other people outside of yourself, because usually it realized, it's like, wait, I'm not okay. 16:51.226 --> 16:54.988 [SPEAKER_01]: No wonder I'm bickering and fighting, and I haven't had personal space for a while. 16:55.068 --> 17:00.150 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, and if we can, if we can practice that aspect to be like, okay, let's take some deep breaths. 17:00.630 --> 17:01.411 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's pray a minute. 17:01.451 --> 17:11.740 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's kind of send to ourselves, ground ourselves and then we can kind of engage in doing something for somebody else or sometimes even doing something for somebody else can act like a type of emotional regulation where we're like 17:12.638 --> 17:40.029 [SPEAKER_01]: it's not just about what I want right now and that made somebody happy and did you see how they smiled you know like but then other times it can go terribly wrong like I mean we have we have to try to pass out balloons which we thought was a really great idea it has never worked very well we've done it twice it I don't know people just are like uh don't give me a balloon that has nice things right in on it you know so um so that didn't go well and that was super discouraging to my kids because you know um 17:42.109 --> 17:46.195 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they were like, oh, well, that that they didn't want it. 17:46.236 --> 17:47.157 [SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't helpful. 17:47.217 --> 17:48.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that didn't encourage anybody. 17:49.020 --> 17:51.223 [SPEAKER_01]: Like our goal was in that case to encourage somebody. 17:51.523 --> 17:55.429 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they're like, and then the plan is going to pop and it's going to kill the sea animals. 17:55.469 --> 17:56.791 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it just spirals 17:57.011 --> 17:59.633 [SPEAKER_01]: And so in those cases, it did not go well. 17:59.833 --> 18:02.635 [SPEAKER_01]: So then it's kind of like, okay, well, what do we do when it doesn't go well? 18:02.655 --> 18:03.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Because a lot of times it won't. 18:03.856 --> 18:08.099 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've had tried to pass out sandwiches in places and it didn't go well. 18:08.179 --> 18:10.961 [SPEAKER_01]: Or there's, you know, there's times or things don't work right. 18:11.001 --> 18:14.543 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of like, how do we recalibrate then as well? 18:14.563 --> 18:19.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Because overall, I feel like it makes us better and more joyful and they remember it. 18:20.087 --> 18:44.540 [SPEAKER_01]: years later my kids remember all these things that we've done and how it's shaped them but at the same time there's the times where it doesn't go well and we're kind of like okay well this is who we are you know and we're learning and we're giving it you know it's all a learning moment and that's a that's a hard thing to attend to in the middle of a road trip sometimes yeah my husband always says balloons always end in tears 18:45.153 --> 18:49.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's such a, that is such a good line. 18:49.176 --> 18:51.819 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take that in my really true. 18:52.019 --> 18:54.080 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's end in tears. 18:54.301 --> 18:56.983 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why because they might be start joyful. 18:57.163 --> 19:00.486 [SPEAKER_01]: I know they start with joy and then it's like a popter. 19:01.026 --> 19:01.967 [SPEAKER_01]: Fluffy. 19:02.347 --> 19:04.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, thanks so many things. 19:04.589 --> 19:04.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:04.869 --> 19:06.731 [SPEAKER_00]: It just, I always end in tears. 19:07.131 --> 19:13.275 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, maybe not the loons guys that might not be the best one. 19:13.475 --> 19:20.800 [SPEAKER_00]: How and your family have you helped your kids respond when they encounter an injustice themselves? 19:20.841 --> 19:22.582 [SPEAKER_00]: So when they're beyond the road trip, 19:23.182 --> 19:31.933 [SPEAKER_00]: when they're out and about when they're at school and they see someone getting picked on or something that seems unfair or they just see something that isn't quite right. 19:32.033 --> 19:35.197 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not in a kindness quest, but they're just like, in real life. 19:35.237 --> 19:39.462 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, does it translate over or like, how do you talk to your kids about that? 19:39.922 --> 19:43.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually there's I have an interesting story about that. 19:43.503 --> 19:59.430 [SPEAKER_01]: So one of my kids I have found out after a while that they were not thriving in one of their their classes and I was trying to figure out why and they kind of said some comment about always being put with this one child in their team and I was like 19:59.890 --> 20:02.091 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, you just said you were with them on the team last. 20:02.271 --> 20:07.714 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I put together that they had been on a team with them like three times and that's not normal in that dynamic. 20:08.114 --> 20:11.915 [SPEAKER_01]: So I reached out to the teacher and I was like, hey, what's going on? 20:11.935 --> 20:17.378 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it sounds like my, my child is always with this other kid and this other kid is really 20:18.218 --> 20:23.740 [SPEAKER_01]: really difficult and they are going through some really bad stuff and making some really bad decisions. 20:24.380 --> 20:26.881 [SPEAKER_01]: And the teacher was like, I need to apologize to you. 20:26.921 --> 20:28.222 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to confess something to you. 20:28.682 --> 20:34.644 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been putting your kid with this child because they're the only one that won't bully them. 20:35.125 --> 20:41.367 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're the only one that is not that, you know, and I really appreciate the teacher being honest with me. 20:41.827 --> 20:46.310 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, I can see how that's probably starting to affect them and drain them a little bit. 20:46.370 --> 20:51.913 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to shake it up and I can teach the other kids how to act properly towards this other individual. 20:52.353 --> 20:57.076 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, I was like, you know, and I had a conversation with my son about it. 20:57.136 --> 21:01.459 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, what went on there and they're like, well, you know, this is, this is who we are. 21:01.519 --> 21:02.780 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't treat people like 21:03.260 --> 21:18.073 [SPEAKER_01]: crap essentially you know this is how we've been you know and and I had remembered I had who had a conversation with them a few times earlier in the year where that same kid was getting bullied and I'm going to be honest that kid kind of deserved to be bullied. 21:18.853 --> 21:28.039 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not something that I should say, but they, you know, the tough kid, tough kid is a really tough kid and they were going through some things that were extremely controversial. 21:28.680 --> 21:34.303 [SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately though, you know, we're like, okay, well, is this person created in the image of God? 21:34.503 --> 21:35.684 [SPEAKER_01]: Do we give him dignity? 21:35.844 --> 21:39.867 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, what does dignity look like even if you're not going to be their best friend? 21:40.047 --> 21:42.570 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of where I often leave it with my kids. 21:42.610 --> 21:44.493 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm like, I can't tell you what to do. 21:44.593 --> 21:49.339 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, if any time I hear about a new kid come to school, I'm like, so how are you responding to the new kid? 21:49.379 --> 21:50.881 [SPEAKER_01]: Do they know that they can hang out with you? 21:50.901 --> 21:53.003 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, I don't really want to hang out with them. 21:53.364 --> 21:56.268 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I can't make you hang out with them, but at the same time. 21:56.648 --> 22:01.950 [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to remind you that if you were in their shoes, how would you want somebody to treat you? 22:02.230 --> 22:07.292 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so those are those moments that those character building moments and they come from conversations. 22:07.312 --> 22:09.373 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not something that I can force my kids to do. 22:09.713 --> 22:20.618 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's one thing that I really have had a hard time learning is that I can't actually make my kids be these these cool, just minded warriors that are going to all work for non-profit some day. 22:21.127 --> 22:26.871 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like that's like whatever world-changing influence they have, I have no control over the outcome. 22:26.951 --> 22:30.094 [SPEAKER_01]: All I can do is help them navigate that in the meantime. 22:30.594 --> 22:42.083 [SPEAKER_01]: But I have seen that there is an effect from that, you know, by having conversations about human dignity or even just doing like that one, you know, I have used to do this thing with my kids a lot where I'd be like, you know, 22:42.703 --> 22:52.810 [SPEAKER_01]: We drive by people and be like who's more important that person or this person we know and they'd be like this person we know I'm like God says that we're all just as important in his eyes. 22:52.870 --> 22:59.815 [SPEAKER_01]: You know just as valuable or like who's more important that homeless guy or the president you know and they'd be like you probably want me to tell you 23:00.595 --> 23:03.118 [SPEAKER_01]: None of them. 23:03.178 --> 23:08.223 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to train them up in the way that God sees people. 23:10.185 --> 23:21.757 [SPEAKER_01]: Because like he doesn't, we don't know people's hearts, but we do know, and we can kind of get an idea based off of their actions, but especially when you're meeting somebody for the first time or you don't have 23:22.212 --> 23:23.132 [SPEAKER_01]: have it encountered them. 23:23.172 --> 23:24.452 [SPEAKER_01]: We tend to judge people. 23:24.512 --> 23:28.553 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's in our human nature to create biases and judge people when they walk in the room. 23:28.593 --> 23:34.374 [SPEAKER_01]: So trying to teach my kids to recognize their own biases when they're like, well, yeah, they're dressed funny. 23:34.794 --> 23:37.495 [SPEAKER_01]: Or they're dressed, they're dirty. 23:37.755 --> 23:42.335 [SPEAKER_01]: Or whatever it is, those dynamics, they have a different skin color. 23:42.355 --> 23:45.736 [SPEAKER_01]: They have different, they smell different because they eat different food than we do. 23:46.096 --> 23:50.177 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's all these different areas that we tend to automatically other people. 23:51.482 --> 24:09.321 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't totally keep my kids from uttering other people, but I can do my best to try to help them recognize or even share stories when I do, like I've been like, I saw that happen and I automatically judged them and I thought they were a criminal and I was scared and I shut my door and my daughter was like, 24:10.767 --> 24:11.768 [SPEAKER_01]: How could you do that? 24:11.808 --> 24:18.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're just probably a normal person that was walking from place to place and I'm like, probably, but I'm telling you, I do it too. 24:18.914 --> 24:37.188 [SPEAKER_01]: I judge people based off of their appearance and sometimes maybe there's wisdom in that in dangerous situations, but a lot of times there, you know, in that situation that I was giving you an example of, there was no reason I should automatically judge that person, you know, and so giving them the examples from my own life where I'm like, 24:37.588 --> 24:39.810 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like God was like, hey, don't judge them for that. 24:39.830 --> 24:44.674 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, kind of thing, you know, that we can have conversations with them about as well. 24:45.514 --> 24:45.775 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 24:46.395 --> 24:49.658 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like anytime you can kind of save your kids like me too. 24:50.438 --> 24:51.259 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're doing it too. 24:51.639 --> 24:53.581 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, but yeah, it's always helpful. 24:54.661 --> 24:55.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it really is. 24:55.601 --> 24:58.322 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that translates into like every area of life, right? 24:58.362 --> 24:58.442 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 24:58.462 --> 24:59.943 [SPEAKER_00]: About a hundred percent. 24:59.983 --> 25:03.224 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why teachers are always like connection, you know, like me too. 25:03.364 --> 25:04.364 [SPEAKER_00]: It's always helpful. 25:04.944 --> 25:05.984 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 25:06.184 --> 25:18.288 [SPEAKER_00]: Tell me about some of your resources that you have in your book and how, you know, you can, they help equip parents and discipleship and practicing, making a difference in the world, creating justice minded kids. 25:18.833 --> 25:19.653 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes. 25:19.753 --> 25:27.076 [SPEAKER_01]: So I came up with this book this past year is called Justice Minded Kids, Bite Size Challenges to Empiricates Practice Justice Compassion and Love. 25:27.737 --> 25:33.119 [SPEAKER_01]: And I actually wrote this because for about five years, I was a home schooling mama. 25:33.659 --> 25:39.481 [SPEAKER_01]: And when our family needed a lot more support from a school system, I put them back in school. 25:40.121 --> 25:44.143 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I immediately dropped them off the gates and started crying because I'm like, 25:44.883 --> 25:58.948 [SPEAKER_01]: and I love with them and I love going to museums and doing these things and then I was like, and then how are they going to learn about how are they going to grow in character and I start kind of like flipping out and then I was like wait a minute. 25:59.628 --> 26:00.208 [SPEAKER_01]: can do this. 26:00.308 --> 26:04.150 [SPEAKER_01]: I know how to teach them how to do this even though they're not with me all the time. 26:04.530 --> 26:11.134 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I really put it together for myself because I know that I am a busy woman who is going from here to there. 26:11.574 --> 26:13.275 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have time to do a lot of things. 26:13.355 --> 26:23.160 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, if I just write down these, you know, these things like value statements and make these like actions that will take like five to ten minutes that I can do with them to practice it. 26:23.620 --> 26:24.941 [SPEAKER_01]: And a way to reflect on it. 26:25.801 --> 26:27.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to keep it going, you know? 26:27.101 --> 26:32.563 [SPEAKER_01]: And even if I only do one of them once in a while, you know, so I wrote it for myself a long time ago. 26:32.743 --> 26:37.745 [SPEAKER_01]: And eventually I was like, wait, this actually would help other parents, not just me. 26:38.165 --> 26:41.366 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I finally got around to publishing it as a book. 26:41.466 --> 26:47.128 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's there because I know that I am like many, there's not a lot of resources. 26:47.988 --> 27:01.175 [SPEAKER_01]: for parents to teach their kids about how to do, how to grow those characteristics in them or to address the issues that come along with justice, justice type stuff or compassion and kindness. 27:01.195 --> 27:06.037 [SPEAKER_01]: And they need ideas and we don't have enough bandwidth to really do that on our own most of the time. 27:06.077 --> 27:08.058 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we don't have time to invent our own curricula. 27:08.518 --> 27:13.543 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, oh, I'll just put it together and make it into a easy guide. 27:13.583 --> 27:28.219 [SPEAKER_01]: So half of it is just kind of like the first half is like stories and guidance to kind of give you an idea of how to do it in a way that is helpful for yourself and you know, when you hit roadblocks and helpful for other people, you know, hurting without harming. 27:28.579 --> 27:34.545 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's one part of it and then the other part of it is thirty six lessons with like action items and reflection pages. 27:34.905 --> 27:52.882 [SPEAKER_01]: So it makes it pretty easy and then because I'm a follower of Jesus, I also have a downloadable resource on my website that has a Bible verse that can go with each week also because a lot of us really appreciate that, especially like that spiritual discipleship part, like, you know, connecting it back to the Word of God. 27:53.382 --> 27:56.326 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is there along with some other things. 27:56.666 --> 28:11.101 [SPEAKER_01]: I have on my website that help resources like that kindness, quest list of ideas and checklists for summer, different things to kind of help parents not have to do all the work themselves and start from scratch because we don't. 28:12.002 --> 28:12.683 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have time. 28:13.123 --> 28:13.924 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have energy. 28:14.405 --> 28:17.949 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't really have energy to do any like I do these on occasion. 28:17.989 --> 28:21.012 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't do them like week after week, but you know, that would be better. 28:21.292 --> 28:27.619 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm I'm a realist in some ways, and I know that we just need we need as much equipment as we can get so 28:28.700 --> 28:28.900 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:29.701 --> 28:29.961 [SPEAKER_01]: Help. 28:30.502 --> 28:31.823 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I wrote that book. 28:31.963 --> 28:32.263 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 28:32.743 --> 28:38.848 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a little give me an example of one of the bite size lessons or the action. 28:38.868 --> 28:39.749 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 28:40.049 --> 28:42.131 [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, all right. 28:42.271 --> 28:42.931 [SPEAKER_01]: So here's one. 28:43.312 --> 28:43.972 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 28:44.092 --> 28:44.993 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's a value. 28:45.113 --> 28:48.776 [SPEAKER_01]: You mantra that I have for this week when people nearby are used and not free. 28:49.336 --> 28:50.778 [SPEAKER_01]: We want them to know there's help. 28:51.078 --> 28:59.086 [SPEAKER_01]: So this was a way to start a conversation about trafficking, which is very different with a four year older than it is with a, you know, fourteen year older. 28:59.506 --> 29:02.869 [SPEAKER_01]: However, that value remains the same. 29:03.530 --> 29:10.016 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we have, you know, so it's kind of saying that value over and over again throughout the week and having conversations about it when you get a chance. 29:10.897 --> 29:23.725 [SPEAKER_01]: Then the action is to have your kids put the human trafficking hotline number in your phone and show them how to do it and show them what that looks like because they're not most most of them are not going to ever use it. 29:23.946 --> 29:25.286 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope they never after use it. 29:26.047 --> 29:29.809 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time it's that aspect of being like, oh, there's resources. 29:29.909 --> 29:31.931 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a system that can help people in this. 29:32.431 --> 29:35.092 [SPEAKER_01]: I can, you know, just like we teach your kids how to call nine one one. 29:35.212 --> 29:39.213 [SPEAKER_01]: If we teach them how to do that, then it gives them this idea that there's something useful. 29:39.293 --> 29:51.296 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have talked with a lot of middle schoolers who get to a place where they start meeting to know red flags of trafficking because I've had friends that have have, you know, have discovered their friend in youth group was, you know, being groomed for trafficking. 29:51.576 --> 29:53.576 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, these things do happen. 29:53.616 --> 29:57.837 [SPEAKER_01]: So by a certain age, they do need to know these things to equip them. 29:57.937 --> 30:00.858 [SPEAKER_01]: And so starting, you know, at a early age where we're like, 30:01.418 --> 30:02.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, people shouldn't be used. 30:03.040 --> 30:04.262 [SPEAKER_01]: They shouldn't be exploited. 30:04.322 --> 30:05.944 [SPEAKER_01]: They shouldn't be taken advantage of. 30:05.984 --> 30:07.846 [SPEAKER_01]: They shouldn't be owned by other people. 30:08.226 --> 30:10.309 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and that is a value that we have. 30:10.369 --> 30:12.351 [SPEAKER_01]: And so that week, that's all it is. 30:12.511 --> 30:17.417 [SPEAKER_01]: It's that conversation could take five minutes or it could be in the car as you go along. 30:17.437 --> 30:20.040 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the action would take less than five minutes also. 30:20.080 --> 30:21.101 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's an example. 30:21.902 --> 30:22.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 30:22.542 --> 30:25.303 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the Bible verses for that week because I didn't bring that with me. 30:25.323 --> 30:25.944 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't. 30:27.044 --> 30:28.785 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure I can think of like a million. 30:28.805 --> 30:29.345 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure that. 30:29.365 --> 30:30.565 [SPEAKER_00]: It's sure it's great. 30:30.625 --> 30:34.187 [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like that is such an important conversation to have with your kids. 30:34.307 --> 30:38.868 [SPEAKER_00]: But like I don't even know where to start with that or what words to you. 30:38.948 --> 30:45.951 [SPEAKER_00]: So to have a resource where you're like, okay, this is how I start explaining it to my kids because so many of us are just completely overwhelmed. 30:46.311 --> 30:46.551 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 30:46.611 --> 30:48.592 [SPEAKER_00]: It is the big injustice topics. 30:48.892 --> 30:53.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is they are can be really overwhelmed, but there's a lot of people who teach on it. 30:53.518 --> 31:01.928 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one thing I used to do lead workshops on is about, you know, human trafficking, red flags, helping your kids recognize it at, you know, an age appropriate level. 31:02.810 --> 31:05.433 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of other people out there who have that's the. 31:05.813 --> 31:18.456 [SPEAKER_01]: that is the beauty is, once you start getting into the world of equipping for justice issues, you start realizing there are people that actually know a lot about it and I could learn about how to actually interact with homeless people better. 31:18.516 --> 31:22.957 [SPEAKER_01]: I can actually learn how to prevent trafficking from my own home and outwards. 31:23.037 --> 31:31.659 [SPEAKER_01]: I can learn how to give my kids effective tools to deal with racism in their everyday life because we all live with 31:32.239 --> 31:36.644 [SPEAKER_01]: in a very diverse culture, and that is a very real thing that we encounter every single day. 31:36.664 --> 31:38.786 [SPEAKER_01]: So at least I do. 31:39.246 --> 31:40.087 [SPEAKER_01]: My life, I don't know. 31:40.167 --> 31:40.548 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 31:40.608 --> 31:42.770 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Minnesota is different, but I don't think so. 31:42.950 --> 31:49.036 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that is kind of leaning on recognizing that there are resources out there, and they're not all good. 31:49.717 --> 31:53.161 [SPEAKER_01]: But they do exist and there are a lot of ways to find them. 31:53.221 --> 31:58.206 [SPEAKER_01]: My website is that's what it exists for us to help people find resources on that type of stuff. 31:58.366 --> 32:02.250 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, don't get discouraged by the bigness. 32:02.871 --> 32:06.455 [SPEAKER_01]: There's so many big injustices and they can be overwhelming. 32:06.995 --> 32:09.015 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're not meant to hold it all. 32:09.075 --> 32:11.156 [SPEAKER_01]: That's too much secondary trauma for all of us. 32:11.216 --> 32:12.596 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not the goal. 32:12.676 --> 32:24.319 [SPEAKER_01]: The goal is to learn how to be able to engage when there's opportunity in front of us and sometimes even push ourselves out of our comfort zone to be like, oh, God's calling me into this area of brokenness a little bit more. 32:24.799 --> 32:29.760 [SPEAKER_01]: And how do I start moving into that with my family or not with my family sometimes as well? 32:30.620 --> 32:30.800 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 32:31.516 --> 32:37.403 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll make sure all those resources, your website, all the things are linked in show maps, that people can find it easily for sure. 32:37.703 --> 32:38.845 [SPEAKER_00]: Probably be helpful for them. 32:39.025 --> 32:39.706 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 32:40.066 --> 32:47.075 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, to wrap up our time and to end what final encouragement would you have for parents who are listening right now? 32:47.888 --> 32:57.730 [SPEAKER_01]: I've had I've worked with teenagers and young kids like years and years ago before I had my own kids and I did like one or two things with them that didn't really feel like a big deal. 32:58.110 --> 33:09.293 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I found out later in life like when I connected with those kids again who had grown up, I found out that they had actually one of them ended up working for like a Justice non-profit. 33:09.373 --> 33:12.634 [SPEAKER_01]: The other ones started some podcasts about and I had no clue. 33:12.814 --> 33:15.735 [SPEAKER_01]: And they both of them came back to me and they're like, that really affected me. 33:15.775 --> 33:17.415 [SPEAKER_01]: That one little thing you did a long time ago. 33:17.895 --> 33:22.760 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think about my own life, my parents very much raised me in that type of dynamic also. 33:22.780 --> 33:30.206 [SPEAKER_01]: They would just drag me with them when they did a lot of immigration work and humanitarian work with missions organization. 33:30.246 --> 33:32.008 [SPEAKER_01]: And they would just kind of drag me with them. 33:32.048 --> 33:38.694 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember being upset at them because like they accidentally gave away my teddy bear or you know, but at the same time that 33:39.434 --> 34:08.054 [SPEAKER_01]: changed that changed who I was like I saw the world very differently than a lot of my peers because of that and and I guess what I want to say is that you don't have to get discouraged by the huge amount of of injustices that there are in the world but at the same time value what you can bring to the table because it is something and even if it's just a little tiny bit and just a little tiny bit of exposure in whatever way that you feel like you have the 34:08.621 --> 34:23.661 [SPEAKER_01]: ability to engage in that really can shape your child's life as an adult and I have no doubt you'll see that come back to you later on in life or you'll be like huh that actually made a difference in their life so that they could make a difference on behalf of others. 34:24.502 --> 34:24.662 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 34:25.206 --> 34:28.729 [SPEAKER_00]: And isn't that so true of so many things parenting where you're like, am I doing anything? 34:28.769 --> 34:29.430 [SPEAKER_00]: Does this matter? 34:29.450 --> 34:31.192 [SPEAKER_00]: And then later you're like, oh, well, look at that. 34:31.572 --> 34:33.013 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of like tension. 34:33.293 --> 34:37.698 [SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing with parenting in all areas, we're just, you know, applying it to just this work right now. 34:38.138 --> 34:38.418 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:38.779 --> 34:39.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 34:39.339 --> 34:40.000 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I love that. 34:40.040 --> 34:42.942 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for sharing all of your wisdom with us. 34:43.022 --> 34:43.863 [SPEAKER_00]: All of your ideas. 34:44.083 --> 34:45.725 [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate your time so much. 34:46.105 --> 34:47.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and thank you so much for having me. 34:47.867 --> 34:59.897 [SPEAKER_01]: It was really fun to talk with you and I am just excited that this idea that we can raise world changers can just kind of hopefully seep into our audience a little bit more today. 35:00.657 --> 35:01.378 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely. 35:04.690 --> 35:07.352 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for listening to the Christian parenting podcast. 35:07.472 --> 35:12.175 [SPEAKER_00]: I hope that Alisa's words encourage you to think intentionally about the values you're planting in your home. 35:12.676 --> 35:18.080 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you love this podcast, please take a minute to like, subscribe, and review it all makes an impact and it matters. 35:18.720 --> 35:27.907 [SPEAKER_00]: May God bless you this week, may your family grow and compassion, may your conversations be full of grace, and may you find joy and reflecting God's heart for his creation, right where you are.