[SPEAKER_00]: We've done too much without the expectation of other people carrying their load, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And carrying their agreements forward and doing what we want them to do in exchange for that aid.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for us to influencing on a global basis is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got no issue with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to become strong as a sovereign nation, first and foremost, and we've become weak as a sovereign nation by having open borders.
[SPEAKER_00]: invasion, the lack of American values being spread within America.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go!
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Citizens of the Special guest today, Bryce Eddie.
[SPEAKER_01]: We met through Baker, which is always fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never know what kind of wild person he's going to send my way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So tell me before we get into, you know, the show and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about you for a minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where'd you grow up?
[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up in Southern California and recently fled to the great state of Idaho and I split my time between Idaho and Nashville.
[SPEAKER_01]: What'd you do in Southern California when you were growing up?
[SPEAKER_01]: What part of Southern California, I guess, first?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so just outside of LA, the Ventura County area.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Ventura's nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Scott's country, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and what was it like growing up there?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously, it changed quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually man, Southern California is awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, especially when I grew up, you know, it was the eighties and nineties and, you know, it was kind of a boom in time before everything started to disintegrate under terrible horrific leadership and, you know, the fast leftward move of, you know, kind of all the crazy Marxists.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could you tell when you were younger that was starting to change?
[SPEAKER_01]: When did you notice, I guess?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I politics was kind of my sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I spent a lot of time as a sales guy driving around in the car listening to Rush Limbaugh and all those sort of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was boring my friends at the time saying that, hey, there are seeds that are being planted here that are going to destroy the United States.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you better watch out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, didn't make me popular at parties because, you know, there was a different agenda when, you know, kids are in high school or college.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, I mean, you started to see what was happening pretty quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, of course, all those friends are like, can you believe this?
[SPEAKER_00]: I go, yeah, I told you for thirty years.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you say seeds were being planted, what do you mean specifically?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you look at like the just the anti-men movement towards feminism.
[SPEAKER_00]: You saw kind of the nerfing of everything in life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're drinking out of garden hoses and staying out until the street lights come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of that sort of stuff changed pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you saw just a little bits of that begin to affect what now became this super kind of entitled class of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we saw the fruits of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you guys maybe before anybody else, although I think because of the economic power of California, it kind of blasted through it for a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was like two parallel worlds going on there where there was a big group of people making a lot of money and doing stuff and there was a bunch of grifters doing nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's like living on your parents' money.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll last a generation or two if you're a big time spender and you're wasting things and you're not producing, but eventually you run out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we saw that in California, and that's why California is population shrunk for the first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lost seats in Congress.
[SPEAKER_00]: businesses have fled.
[SPEAKER_00]: I spent most of my career in the insurance business among other things and all of our clients started moving out of town and started, you know, maybe living there if they could still but moving their operations and moving their businesses and their employees to, you know, Texas and Florida and other places.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yes, it's definitely I'd to see the biggest, the biggest state in the country lose people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
[SPEAKER_01]: and should mass deportations ever happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna lose quite a few more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if they just do what they're talking about now and actually doing accurate census and not count illegal aliens, I mean, remember so much of what they did was import people so that they could change the landscape and gain more seats in states like California.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they could just eventually dominate the political landscape and you'd have not just one party ruling California, but have it across the United States.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if people remember this, but it's kind of what happened with Reagan in California.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a great fan of Reagan, and a lot of people, you know, will say, well, you know, when Ronald Reagan was in charge, and it's like, hang on a minute, you know, when we talk about selling the seeds, I mean, no fault divorce, amnesty for illegal aliens, you know, a bunch of spending that he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of started the the you know period of prosperity but eventually you know you just suffer some of those decisions down the road and we have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that's uh...
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always, like, people refer to themselves as a Reagan Republican.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, see me not Republican is what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're just an establishment, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you're telling him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he tripled the debt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Band machine guns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amnesty for illegal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and, and Pharma, he made it to where zero liability for them, you know, given us bad drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, I don't, it's an interesting thing to talk to people who consider themselves conservative, because I think the words liberal, conservative are kind of like Republican and Democrat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure they have any real meaning anymore, especially not to the people that use them.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I do wish we had better labels, you know, because I mean, people use labels as categories, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and it's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're in this category.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I know how to treat you or think about you and all your cause, but so much of this stuff is complex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of it, if we were to really solve the problems that ail the United States, you know, it's generation, no problems that are generational solutions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And somebody these things are, you know, kind of layered complexity, you know, take healthcare, which I've been in that business forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, there's so many problems with the broken system.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's so many things that you would have to change foundationally if you're going to eventually cure it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's interesting because our system of government
[SPEAKER_01]: operates in four-year increments.
[SPEAKER_01]: In some cases, two-year increments, if you talk about the house.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how good of an idea that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly, I don't think the framers would have been zealots about the specific time period, because the way it works in the houses, you can do your job for about six months and then you're back to fundraising and campaigning.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not a two-year cycle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a six-year cycle with an eighteen-month break, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll say something controversial as a conservative, but I think you might agree with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you really do understand the way Washington works, you would be against term limits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because what happens is the staffers just have to outweight
[SPEAKER_00]: the bad or the people that are against their ideas and their policy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bureaucracy is what lasts there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the staffers and the bureaucrats are the ones that are ultimately running things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you get elected to Congress, you come in and I know several congressmen both former and present.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you walk into that job, all of a sudden all these handlers come in that are permanent Washington folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: They then tell you, oh, here's what you need to vote on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what this bill says.
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of download to you everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you either do it, or, you know, they, you know, eventually try to primer you, get you out of there, you know, get you set up on something controversial, you know, and bounce you out if you're not playing the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they've got a million different ways to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so unless we fix
[SPEAKER_00]: the bureaucracy, which I think it needs to be broken up and you need to kind of cast DC's departments all over the country where they make sense, so that you force lobbyists to get on planes and travel and you get people who are invested in the community, it won't change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't see
[SPEAKER_01]: that his far term limits for Congress, I think that's just kind of a kind of a catch all in a lot of ways for people that don't understand politics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I would like a top level term limit, I think that would make sense to be honest, but yeah, the bureaucrats are certainly the bigger issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the same people that were, if somebody like
[SPEAKER_01]: Ted Cruz, for example, would have run for president.
[SPEAKER_01]: The same people that were the staffers for George W. Bush would be on his staff, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was, that was Trump's problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Trump didn't have that roll of decks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, so in his first term, he came in and he was given all of these people and given all of these recommendations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's assuming that, okay, you know, they're gonna follow his direction and we can run this like a business.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all those folks were, okay, hey, we're gonna just passively resist him or we're gonna, you know, actively oppose him internally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the permanent Washington issue that we've got to get rid of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how would you do about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, turn limits on staffers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I would literally, let's put the Department of the Interior into the Interior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's put the Department of Agriculture where there's actual agriculture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's break up DC so that they're not this cabal.
[SPEAKER_00]: that all work hand in hand, that trade jobs all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I moved over here, over here, over here, put them in the communities that they serve.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to figure out how to decentralize things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the people that we are against, and I'm assuming you and I are on the same page, are the people that want global control over everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're the central authority types.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to control it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: centralization is our enemy we're seeing it in business we're seeing it everywhere when you have you know two or three companies controlling every single industry we have no choice we have no liberty we have no freedom you know when you have two or three companies controlling most of the media
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we have no control.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have no liberty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what we need to do is decentralize everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was what our founding fathers did intend.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the nature of mankind is to over time accumulate power.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we have to kind of actively figure out how to put bull works against that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it can be difficult to determine who is and is not an actual conservative based on what they say because these people are all full of shit frankly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there is a decent litmus test and it's decentralization.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone who is by word or deed trying to accumulate power for themselves or for the government that's not and no meaningful way is that conservative.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not how that works.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Republicans have presented over the Lawrence expansion of the federal government history, which is the HHS.
[SPEAKER_01]: It added, I think the time was a hundred and sixty thousand new government jobs and then by the end of Obama's term it was like two thirty, I believe two hundred thirty thousand.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he increased it another seventy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that's, there's nothing conservative about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm, you know, it's, we're getting close to having it happen again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure how I really feel about it yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: This expansion of immigration is to me a mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it should be happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a tool in the tool belt called the insurrection act, which Trump could very easily deploy right now, activate national guard troops to supplement immigration.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a permanent, or that's a temporary solution to a temporary problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: We tend to create permanent solutions to temporary problems and then they persist and then what happens with government power as it goes out looking for a problem to solve that doesn't exist and it interferes in the lives of American citizens which I think is completely out of the question like that cannot be allowed so you know that's that this is the thing that
[SPEAKER_01]: The average voter that is meant to hold these people accountable just doesn't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't understand these finer points, unfortunately, a politics because they think if you hit these four or five bullet points, that makes you conservative.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm looking down the list of the actions of these people and spending keeps growing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And taxes, you know, every now and again, they'll throw you a bone and cut taxes for a couple of years.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that is meaningless to me and the spending goes down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that is the issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're still moving fast off the cliff or into the iceberg, whatever you want to call it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't matter really who's in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just saying different things, speaking to a different audience, but they're most of them are doing the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not excited about the big beautiful bill, although there are some things and some mechanisms in there that
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, we need to examine that that could be good, but the truth is it's a it's a continued expansion of government and I'm not I'm not keen on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting because for for guys who really do want liberty, right, which is God's idea not man's idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for those of us that really truly want liberty, we don't want to just switch our masters from a left wing master to a right wing master.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a concept right now that people are pushing back on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you might have heard Dr. James Lindsay who is a good buddy of mine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, James getting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's getting excoriated all over the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he went on my show talking about the the woke right and I agree with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that because he, you know, he's so smart and he, the way he talks about certain things, you know, people get pissed and they don't understand that
[SPEAKER_00]: What he's saying is absolutely true.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't sign on to the movement of freedom to just have a bright wing group of authoritarians in charge of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what a lot of people are now advocating is, okay, we have power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's expand this power and use it to defeat our enemies versus let's decentralize this power so that the family and the individual can grow and become strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Small businesses can become strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all the things that really do put power in the hands of the middle class and the folks that should have it and should be able to make their decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, instead you're just seeing these folks argue for the idea of a authoritarian style Christian nationalism.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I'm Christian and I'm a nationalist, you know, I believe in sovereignty, so that that statement alone doesn't bother me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are people there that want to wield that power to also, you know, lord it over me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not interested.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, you know, if you happen upon a weapon that the other side has been using and your instinct is to take control of it and use it as well, I think that's probably a bad instinct in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the one ring of power.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've got these guys that are like, ooh, now I've got the Ray.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, settle down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Republican move would be to destroy the weapon and then try to destroy the means of acquiring another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be smart move, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: certainly, you know, again, the purpose of decent realization is to return as much power to the individual's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's not, on the flip side of this, you've got a lot of, and they cozy up from time to time these people, depending on the issue, but the,
[SPEAKER_01]: the libertarian crowd likes to they live in a utopian fantasy in my opinion, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like it's you can tell just like the socialist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same kind of idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fantasy world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just keep like I like Murray Rothbard and the stuff he talked about with individualism in different ways of minimizing the impact of government.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's really smart.
[SPEAKER_01]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: If you talk to somebody that is a libertarian long enough, they will just describe government, but in their own words, which is really funny to me, because it's like, oh, we don't want government of this, including an arco-capitalist people, so on the far side of libertarianism, but they'll say things like, well, we'll just identify some people in the community to handle that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: You just described what government is my friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, yeah, certainly keeping it as small as possible and decentralized should be the goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, there's a baby with the bath water scenario going on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's, I think it's in, and
[SPEAKER_01]: an untenable fantasy because the vast majority of people won't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to be a straight up and archo-capital libertarian, you can find a place to do that I'm sure, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Somalia, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can live that life and that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's you're right to try to do that, but the vast majority of people don't want it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And politics fights a simple, simplest definition is just how we organize ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have to organize ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, we can't really have anarchy and we can't really have a total chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they argue that, well, no certain things will kind of work themselves out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we do have to have government, but the smallest form of government that I want to be the strongest is the family.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, next up, I mean, you know, was the concept that, you know, Jeff Root told Moses, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you've got the family, you know, the individual, we need to be self-governing the family, the community, you know, and only the biggest problems go up to the biggest level of government.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and you have to have that be very, very narrow in scope.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're not going to have worldwide anarchy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are going to have other governments like China.
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned, hey, we got four-year cycle here.
[SPEAKER_00]: China understands and looks at things in hundred-year cycles, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They look at it, multiple, you know, multi-generationally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is what causes us problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't understand and those far libertarian anarchist types don't get that we live in a world that is filled with evil and competing notions of how we should do things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got to figure out something that works within that context.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other, I suppose, the other part of that is the non-interventulus, which I understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I went to war and I'm not keen on doing it for no reason for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want my buddies going for no reason or other people's kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the same whatnot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we also, at some point, you've got to, you have to
[SPEAKER_01]: consult with reality at some point, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reality is that China's current proxies are a ran in all of its proxies, so Hezbo Hamas, Houthi, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pakistan, Myanmar, pretty much all the Central Asian stands except for, I think, to North Korea and is to a large degree partnered with Russia.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the question that we posed to people, well, that's one set of facts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the second set of facts is, what do you think the likelihood is that we're actually going to close ourselves off from all of these places, completely, without any shipping or manufacturing or trade deals or travel or any of that stuff?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we gonna just close off North America and that be the end of it and not deal with anybody else?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's an option, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But what do you think that's realistic?
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are the facts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the question is,
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the US to do about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they to develop and maintain proxies to spread Westernism as well?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they to do nothing and close ourselves off?
[SPEAKER_01]: If nothing, I guess the question I would pose to people is
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you comfortable with the world where China's culture and ideology dominates?
[SPEAKER_01]: And at what point would that cross align?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if they brought it to Canada and Mexico with that cross align, it would have to be in the United States.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at what point is it okay to fight back against it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the questions I have for people that are isolation is because for me, I'm more of a Monroe Doxner guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Regional hegemonies worked pretty well over time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our big problem right now is that Europe won't do what the fuck they're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're lazy and stupid about it and they're being invaded by Muslims right now, but um
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's not our problem to be honest, and we shouldn't be getting involved in that, but I'm curious where your thoughts are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so I mean, that's great subject, because, you know, obviously there's the idea for an aid, which, you know, if I've talked about, you know, with folks, I talked about it with Baker, and, and there's a certain amount of interventioning that we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a certain amount of things that we need to be involved in, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: My argument is we've done
[SPEAKER_00]: We've done too much without the expectation of other people carrying their load, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And carrying their agreements forward and doing what we want them to do in exchange for that aid.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for us to influence things on a global basis is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got no issue with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to become strong as a sovereign nation, first and foremost, and we've become weak as a sovereign nation by having open borders.
[SPEAKER_00]: invasion, the lack of American values being spread within America.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we started in the nineteen sixties and it was, you know, Teddy Kennedy's fault, but we changed our immigration philosophy to one that was very much oriented around immigration is to make us strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not for the immigrant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's a certain amount of actual asylum seekers and people that need to be rescued and being a principally Christian nation.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to do that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But what we did was we started just letting anybody in without an expectation that they were here to participate in this grand American experiment and share our values and they were here to become Americans.
[SPEAKER_00]: We stopped that in the sixties.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've seen what's happened in the kind of degrading over time of what it means to be an American and what it means to be a patriot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why you've got all these people waving Palestinian flags in the streets is because we stopped having people first and foremost identifies Americans and bring the best of their culture here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do want great food.
[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted the Italians and their pastas.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of the things that, or Mexicans and their tacos, and we want to import the best of other people's cultures and have them be free to have that identity, but the American identity first and foremost.
[SPEAKER_00]: We lost that, but if we become a strong sovereign nation again,
[SPEAKER_00]: Then, you know, we're dealing with the world from a tremendous position of strength.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we can do the things that we need to do to, you know, keep the world a good place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm not against war.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want us to be fighting endless wars that make people wealthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there is a time for war, and there's a time for peace.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, going after Iran,
[SPEAKER_00]: to help, you know, create the opportunity for a positive Iranian revolution where, you know, Prince Reza and people who want to see it back to what it was, pre the Ayatola.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's ways that we can support that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's ways that we can take them down and notch or two.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just wholesale shipping our soldiers over there is not a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the best use of American military power is, I'm sorry, American institutional power is not military power.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's certainly good to have that in your back pocket, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The most advanced military in the history of the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, quite experienced at this point, whereas a lot of people talk about
[SPEAKER_01]: China and Russia Russia has shown themselves to be a paper tiger which you know from the outset of these things I've always said that like that military and their economy just cannot keep up with us Reagan proved that and that during the year the rollback period by the time H.W.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bush took office all he had to do is kind of like nudge him and it was over right it was more about identifying who empower over there would be
[SPEAKER_01]: lead a successful drawdown and turn out to be Gorbachev obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's the military, by the way, China is untested completely.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have no shot at any kind of conflict with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why people, I know they got a lot of people, but so did Persia, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they can throw bodies at the problem, but yeah, you know, yeah, that's not enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not going to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the real impact
[SPEAKER_01]: that United, like certainly, I think about World War II era and post.
[SPEAKER_01]: The impact of the United States was to certainly come in and people like Bill Nudsen amplifying our ability to build airplanes, help us win in Germany and Japan, especially in the Pacific theater.
[SPEAKER_01]: So our military might help, but the reason that Japan is, I think the third largest economy in the world now is because of
[SPEAKER_01]: are planned to rebuild their economy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason that Europe had such a strong economy for so long is because of the Marshall Plan and us allowing them to, essentially, our economy was so strong, they were able to lead off of it for decades.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we were the big brother paying the bill.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what's really happened to us, and we needed to have expectations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're not good at that, and it's not just because
[SPEAKER_01]: of the four like a lot of people will blame it on the four-year cycles but Clinton allowed China into the World Trade Organization with no caveats at all which is the biggest mistakes and and and foreign policy history my opinion but back to this American soft power is the most important thing and the only and I'll explain what it is for the crowd here but
[SPEAKER_01]: It can't, the first thing to remember is that it cannot happen unless we have a robust economy of our own.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only way that we can export our economies if it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, we're exporting bullshit to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's been used, foreign aid has been used to fund all sorts of nonsense over the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go, I mean, certainly we all know that now.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you didn't know before, you certainly know now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think Rubio is a bit of a neocon, but I like how he's brought this to heal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's the perfect person for that job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said that from the outset, he fucking hates China.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't play that bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to end there like meddling, which I think is really good, but has
[SPEAKER_01]: brought USAID to heal, and maybe we'll return it to what it's actually supposed to do, which is kind of a quasi-foreign policy intelligence asset to benefit America globally.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's different ways that foreign aid can and should be used in line with what we call an America-first agenda.
[SPEAKER_01]: It comes down to what Rubio said a couple months ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is that it's foreign aid, not foreign charity, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The purpose is to help you up, not to put you on the tip for the rest of your life, which is what we did to Europe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Japan moved on and did their thing, although the tariff thing still had to get sorted out, but Japan built a huge economy.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the ways we know
[SPEAKER_01]: terrorist or recruited is through hopelessness and poverty.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing as gang members and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: This same form of nihilism breeds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've been able to
[SPEAKER_01]: take countries like Bahrain, for example, who would have been ripe for terrorist recruitment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And push to something this way or that way, same with Jordan, push something this way or that way, help them out a little bit financially.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now they have not only robust economies in both countries, but they also have leadership who are like, we're not fucking doing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to make money.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the best example is probably Saudi Arabia.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we could have nuked Saudi Arabia in two thousand one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had that we had the right to do that in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: But instead, we made a deal with them that you're going to knock this shit off.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to tell us who the terrorists are.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to help us fucking with intelligence in that region.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for an exchange for that, we're not going to nuke you out the face of the earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they agree to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as a result of that,
[SPEAKER_01]: We had economic ties with them and a leader in BS stepped up and said, you know what we want to be taking seriously as a country.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to advance in the modernity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you think of the guy, he's desperately trying to drag that country into modernity right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the result of American soft power.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't invade Saudi Arabia.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't didn't need to.
[SPEAKER_01]: All we did was offer them the carrot and they knew the stick existed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the thing that we need to be focused on right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Trump, even as first term was doing that with the Abraham courts.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that this guy hasn't gotten a fucking Nobel Peace Prize is bananas to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But while there's two major worldwide illnesses and the Trump de-rangements syndrome and Israeli de-rangements syndrome right now, where it doesn't matter what he does, it's going to be viewed poorly.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could come out with the cure for cancer tomorrow and they argue why it was bad for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's done a pretty phenomenal job on many things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the reality of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you'll continue to even if there's some things that I disagree with and don't like.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a game, I would love to talk about what I think the worst thing that's happening in the world stage right now, and you touched on it earlier,
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, there is a Islamic invasion, you know, worldwide.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that I've been talking about for years is the real battle, you know, communism and socialism and all of that stuff is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's there to weaken us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, communism and socialism is like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what you would call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the train that the global caliphate is briding to invade our countries.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I call it the sales pitch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you've got two people that are using that sales pitch.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the globalists that are selling the college kids on, hey, life is not fair and we should really redistribute wealth.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, more and more equally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you've got like this, you know, future mayor of New York City that's an avowed communist, but the truth is is they are using it to weaken New York so that there can be a wholesale invasion of Islam into New York City.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to see what's happened to a lot of our great European cities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's just right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just for historical context, you know, Islam just happens to be where certain factions of Christianity were a thousand years ago, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got a very medieval bend to it, and they haven't grown the fuck up, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is one of the things I love talking about to be honest because if you track the, the reformation of Christianity over the last, let's say, what year is this?
[SPEAKER_01]: over the last eight hundred years, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You could call it the Protestantism or whatever it doesn't matter to me, because I think it got back into the Catholic Churches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't think there's any functional difference with regard to this platform or with regard to this tenant anymore, but if you track through like
[SPEAKER_01]: The Northern Governors in England demanding the Magna Carta in order to defend England against France with King John.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good starting point.
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple hundred years later, you get the levelers talking about or writing the agreement of the people, which is kind of a fundamental basis of our constitution several hundred years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get people like Locke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Defining property rights is a natural right that doesn't like government doesn't give you anything right all it does is help you to manage existential threats.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't grant you anything and then Marana skew talking about
[SPEAKER_01]: the separation of powers to keep it decentralized.
[SPEAKER_01]: This all tracks along with the Reformation period of Christianity in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Christianity growing up over the last eight hundred years and finding a way to both stay solid in your faith but recognize
[SPEAKER_01]: that you can't force it on anybody, and that these things that you praise God for giving you, you should be taking care of them, not trying to force them on people, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Be a good steward of the gifts you've been given.
[SPEAKER_01]: That growing up period is side by side with the liberty movement in human history, free speech, liberty, whatever you want to call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't happen in Islam.
[SPEAKER_01]: It happened in small pockets, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There are places where it happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jordan, I don't think it can happen in Islam.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be tough, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's because their orthodoxy is against it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like, there's no compelled
[SPEAKER_01]: speech or thought, which are the same thing, by the way, speech and thought of the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no compelled speech or thought in Christianity.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is, unfortunately, I don't know, like, scripturally, it's not necessarily true.
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends on where you're reading, but the Quran also says that you can't force somebody to believe, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it then it says you can kill disbelievers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, again, you know, it was written by a man not God, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, or,
[SPEAKER_00]: demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a top down religion, not a bottom up, which is what Christianity is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Christianity can look different on its surface in, it adapts to cultures, in other words, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: The way that the, you know, Chinese underground church expresses Christianity is going to be different than it's expressed here in America, although it's the same tenets of the faith, it's the same core all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to, you know, adapt to each culture to a certain expect because it is that grassroots, you know, ground up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Islam top down, looking at every Islam country and they're all going to eventually look the same based on their orthodoxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And their real central message is we're a religion of peace until we get enough of a critical mass to force our way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then once we get to be a dominant
[SPEAKER_00]: a group, then it's, you know, convert, pay up or die.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those are the really only the three choices.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've been fighting that here in America since the bar of repyrids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just don't see the utility.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I've got friends from the Middle East and other countries.
[SPEAKER_01]: or Muslim and they think of themselves as American first right and Islam is something they practice as a cultural thing but they they're American like they came here to get away from the bullshit right and I'm perfectly happy with that but I think
[SPEAKER_01]: in mass.
[SPEAKER_01]: These multi-culturalism just doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's no why would it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why we would expect that to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why should a bunch of people with different sets of intrinsic values be able to get along?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's incompatible with the West.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's incompatible with the culture that we've established, which is why you're seeing right now what's happening in Texas.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are working very, very hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: to establish their own communities which will end up being no gozones and their own nations within our nation, which is not healthy for us and will further destabilize us and allow them to do that even more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I've got Muslim friends and I've discussed this stuff with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at the core, many of them
[SPEAKER_00]: won't disagree with my positions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's you ask a ask a Persian person who fled Iran how they feel about a theocracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Disask them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I promise you you're not going to get you're not going to get support for the regime over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's you know and that's that's what we're looking for America's supposed to be the shining light right that's where we're split like hey no matter what you believe if you respect other people you can come here and be successful that's the message right America is the simple idea that
[SPEAKER_01]: Individual liberty and personal entrepreneurship are the ultimate inoculation to this tyrannical bullshit that we see all around the world for all of human history and people from these countries look at that and say fuck yeah like I can you can't
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't change my circumstances but I can work my ass off only like nobody can stop me from doing that and if I do it there I can succeed and that's when America was great when we got the kind of immigrant who thought I can come here work hard and succeed not the kind who thought I can come here and lead off the government which is what we're getting now unfortunately
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly and again that and I hate that I hate that for the immigrants to that's the thing that really makes me angry aside from just the invasion of my country started cut off but it makes me so fucking mad to two things one That we ruined that for the world over the last forty years.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big part of it though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well sixty I guess we ruined that for the world in two what's been happening the last let's say ten years or so these people that escape Guatemala and
[SPEAKER_01]: Venezuela and previously El Salvador in places like that, who that asshole down the block has been harassing and threatening to kill them their whole lives, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Their whole lives and they come here to work their ass off because they think America's going to be better for them and then we let that same asshole into this country and now he's down the block from them again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what kind of country does that make us?
[SPEAKER_01]: How is that ethical?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what's interesting, and I have a take that's somewhat controversial and maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll see if you agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think, you know, that we made a mistake with our kind of unfettered asylum program because there are very few true asylum seekers.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of people who would like to come here and would like to come here for a better way of life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's understandable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that we need to create a much easier path for those hardworking folks that want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're importing all of the young military-aged men here under the guise of asylum,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know you're importing the third world you get the third world and and the truth is is those folks should be kind of forced to stay behind to clean up their own culture because the only people that can are the young military age fighting males that can actually you know bring a bad culture to heal
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to have the will to do it and they have to have the values to do it, but that's where some of our foreign aid, that's where some of our exporting of some of the healthy aspects of our ideals can help them to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: if you've got something great your instinct should be to share it with other people right that's that's fair so you're you live in a neighborhood I'm gonna I've got a giant dual-fire rektech smoker and I'm gonna make three or four brisket's this weekend if I feel like it you can't stop me because it's America bitch, but I get pretty excited about me to I love it yeah you like I maybe I make food for everybody right but
[SPEAKER_01]: If somebody, if I say, hey, to the neighborhood, hey, everybody, come over.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a bunch of smoke to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a good time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody comes over trying to start shit with people or trying to rearrange my house or wear and muddy shoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's not how this is done.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a,
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you could call it a quid pro quo with every relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that it's necessarily transactional, but the purpose of it is to show mutual respect.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what this country is founded on, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to come into your country and tell you what to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think these Westerners that go into Muslim countries and act like assholes and get kidnapped or arrested or fucking killed for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What were you thinking?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What exactly did you expect to happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, because people will be like, well, America should do like America did something.
[SPEAKER_01]: They made America.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have fucking stayed here and not gone there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's not our job to come pick you up because you jumped out of a moving car, dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, no, it's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, your comments, you know, what got Arnold Schwarzenegger in trouble on the view.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: How about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: How about an immigrant that actually appreciates this country sitting around a bunch of women who don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it was wild to see what be Goldberg not get the answer that she wanted.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got an issue with this here and the fundamental issue that we've lost or we're not keeping in mind is there will be
[SPEAKER_00]: a religious ideology that reigns supreme in every single nation on earth, and that's just the way we are as human beings.
[SPEAKER_00]: the people who believe that we don't have that here, or the separation of church and state, and all of that is what they want.
[SPEAKER_00]: The truth is, is secular humanism just became the religion, or other ideals just became their religion, and there is no better
[SPEAKER_00]: religion to reign supreme then Christianity and because of its design with that ground up approach you have the freedom to choose you're not forced to but you know our ideals in Christianity are going to protect people who disagree with us and there's no other place
[SPEAKER_00]: that that is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no other religion that that's true, including secular humanism, which is why you saw over the last decade here, cancel culture and Christians being shut down and the lacking of freedom of speech for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had somebody on my show, Nick Voichek on my show yesterday talking about the banking world.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were being shut down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He lost all of his
[SPEAKER_00]: chase bank accounts because they didn't like his religious ideology and you know I got shut down on some things because I spoke out against putting kids on puberty blockers and and you know only secular humanism you know is the reason why yeah yeah and to me like I'm not don't know I did go to seminary I'm not particularly religious myself but I will say that what you said before is we need
[SPEAKER_01]: like politics is a way of organizing ourselves and I think we not just in politics but socially we need that as well right it's part of our identity and I consider myself to be a follower of Jesus right like Christianity as a religion is it something that I'm particularly interested in but that man is that man is something that I'm interested in because I think whether he was a real person or not I don't think it matters I think that that's the best story of a human being that's ever been written
[SPEAKER_01]: And I could run you through all the reasons why corruption in government and the church, which partly the church, the Pharisees and statues, where the government did a large degree.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of one of the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they were selling off their birthright and their power to Rome.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were selling off to the criminal gangs inside of Jerusalem at the time, which nobody ever talks about this for some reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just kind of a, it's lost on the story of Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you look at,
[SPEAKER_01]: the way that he treated people, it wasn't based on their character, or I'm sorry, it wasn't based on their identity, it was based on their character.
[SPEAKER_01]: This person that had a shady past, like Matthew is a tax collector, Andrews Lomb, which would have essentially been a Roman agent collecting revenue, essentially, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because our rotating in government was a vastible room.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would not have been a very popular person.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he is disciple number six.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think something like that or a puzzle number six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mary Magdalene has a shady pass.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, I'll care about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing now?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what mattered to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you look at stories like one of the most misunderstood stories I think is
[SPEAKER_01]: the good Samaritan.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you ask the average Christian what that means, they'll tell you that it means to be kind to your neighbor and to strangers, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: What they don't know is that Judea and Samaria are sworn enemies in the same way that Israel and Palestine are now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be effectively like a Palestinian, like a Jew getting hurt on the side of the road in Israel, and a bunch of other Jews walking by not helping them, and then a Palestinian walks up and helps them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the story is, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it tells you that your principles of being a good human being
[SPEAKER_01]: and accountable to your faith, to your God or whatever, is more important than your identity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Then who you think you are?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the most powerful message to me and all of human history.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, listen, I've got my problems with
[SPEAKER_00]: religious, you know, organizations and churches and all that stuff too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was a, you know, preachers kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've got our own allergies to a lot of that stuff because of what we've seen, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that'll do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I grew up in the church too, and it's not like when we say the church, I think when
[SPEAKER_01]: when Jesus said it, and when Peter said it, and when Paul said it, they didn't mean what we think it means, frankly, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They mean, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess Peter later on referred to the body of Christ.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: By the body of Christ, I don't mean the sacrament, I mean the full body, the human beings that are part of that whole situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a collective fellowship of believers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree, and it's
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, here in America, especially with, you know, the Protestant evangelical movement, you know, we've got this kind of American view of this lens that we're looking at all of this through.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where, you know, we end up having, you know, so many of these doctrinal issues and arguments and, you know, all that stuff and the oppression that occurs and a lot of these, you know, church communities and, you know, a lot of that is just not healthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not, and it takes, you know, it takes leadership.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned the rise of humanism.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, people thought, a lot of it is just contrarianism.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do something different than what the past was or it's easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to stick to my parents' ideas.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of it was Marxist infiltration as well, like trying to make being an American, not cool, trying to be a white man, a Christian, or a man, a general, or whatever, right, all these things are kind of been under attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this idea that
[SPEAKER_01]: we were going to move to a post religious society.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, fucking fine one in all of human history like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're going to have a religious ideology, reign supreme in every single culture, even if it is just that secular humanism or something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: It always will.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, we're cruising to a battle where Islam is going to be raining supreme in most of these
[SPEAKER_00]: European nations at the rate that we're seeing it right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you have the mayor of London, you've got the ten years in Canada, you've got all of this happening so fast and we are essentially at a flat birth rate.
[SPEAKER_00]: or, you know, here in America and in the West, you know, we're going to be dominated unless we, you know, start having some major, major change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's this idea of a religious vacuum to me is just one of the biggest misunderstandings of foreign policy, especially in the nineteen hundreds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I reject the idea that
[SPEAKER_01]: atheism killed a hundred million people in the nineteen hundreds because I don't believe atheism is even the thing I think people find a religion no matter what it is or a belief system and Russia Russia had a religion China had a religion Korea had a religion and the religion was the state and their dear leaders that's what they're and they here's a problem the state the state is God
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here's the problem with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The ten commandments are written in stone, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the teasing of Jesus are very simple in the red text in the early part of the New Testament.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can follow that stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are things that exist as intrinsic to the human experience and immutable traits that a good person would have.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you allow an entity or a single person to dictate what isn't good, then good changes over time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And good does not change over time.
[SPEAKER_01]: We may discover ways to be better at being good, but goodness doesn't change.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is always the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you, this is a warning to people who are, I guess, like me who are not particular religious,
[SPEAKER_01]: You will find a belief system to guide your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I promise you you will.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you've got to be really careful about insulating yourself from this nihilistic bullshit that puts your faith in human beings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, I mean, all politicians suck.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a good one in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the count.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can count the ones I trust the one here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like I don't agree with him on on anything foreign policy wise, but I like Thomas Massey, even though he hates me because I like any time he says something crazy about foreign policy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tell him shut the fuck up, but yeah, but you know, I like guys who are authentic.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's authentic.
[SPEAKER_00]: accumulate power for themselves or their own to buy someone and Thomas Massey and again I've I've got foreign policy discriminants and other things that I disagree with him on but he's authentic and he's trustworthy and and I think ran pass the same yeah I think chip Royce pretty good there's a couple of guys yeah that that aren't just like you don't want on one hand that's a problem right it's the the
[SPEAKER_01]: when you call it the exception that proves the rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that out of these five hundred thirty eight people, I can count on one hand how many people are like legitimate actors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, listen, I've watched guys who I believed to be fairly authentic at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get, you know, get corrupted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crenshaw is one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I spent, I spent a great deal of time, you know, drinking whiskey with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, on at the beginning, you know, I think he was, he was a guy that was,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, sharing a values and then you know, got kind of taken over by the financial machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think some of it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some folks have a Patricia mindset, military officers are definitely among that group for the most part.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got really close friends who are currently and were military officers, and obviously are not like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: People like my old company commander Will Candos, amazing person.
[SPEAKER_01]: My old platoon leader Colin Gray does an amazing person.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... general uh... cd christana who uh... former commander of eighteen they have one core and amazing human being right don't think like that at all they're they're the way they think is that
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in power and I'm in a position to be a conduit of all the good things, institutional knowledge, benefits, whatever it is, down to my men.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they think.
[SPEAKER_01]: And set up, instead of I'm the proprietor of these things and I dull them out to people as I see fit, which is a Patricia mindset, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, unfortunately, difficult to test for that on the campaign trail, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, are you
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you a person who is trying to be a conduit to rights?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or are you a person that's trying to dull out rights?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think one of those is in conflict with the American experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am going to steal that from you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Patricia mindset.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think you are capturing that idea well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's, it's, by the way, I think it's the entirety of the Democrat party towards the black community.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to tell you what's best for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to patch you on the head, vote for us, and we're going to give you stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that same kind of mindset that infects a lot of the uniparty folks, the establishment folks, the permanent Washington folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of the dominant ideology there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know best.
[SPEAKER_00]: We went to the right schools.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did elected to these positions.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to tell you what we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, all of our best innovators dropped out of all these schools.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, come on now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't, that you could have made that argument in the nineteen fifties, maybe, but since gates and jobs and musk and all of these other people, all of these other people, you just can't make that argument anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is again, the power of American entrepreneurship.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is there are two main things I think that battle against government tyranny, the primary things.
[SPEAKER_01]: One is personal entrepreneurship and that is a function of liberty and the other one is comedy and satire, just making fun of these people and combining those two where
[SPEAKER_01]: you know just the example I just made where you guys thought you were all smart and cool but these dudes who are like actually smart decided they didn't need your little fucking circus it is one often worse successful and made the country better as well yeah that's why there's no comedy on the left there's funny liberal comedians and people who you know or
[SPEAKER_00]: are more liberal in their mindset, but there's no one on the hardcore left that's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even when they tried to do comedy, guys like Trevor Noah, who's distinctly one of the most unfunny guys on the planet, he was installed in that position and the only thing that they can do is use mockery, which isn't generally funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not clever either.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't see great Russian comedy scene or you don't in any of these other areas outside of the United States.
[SPEAKER_00]: Generally, you just don't have it because their cultures won't allow it because it's subversive.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the point to be subversive.
[SPEAKER_00]: which is a free speech issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can mock anyone I want to in a funny way, not a Trevor Noah way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can poke fun at our government.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can poke fun at institutions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can fire arrows that sacred cows.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the old
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the old saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sacred cows make the best burgers, I think something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember who said it, maybe Bill Hicks or somebody like that, but yeah, they're, to your point from before, even the most liberal of Western, or I'm sorry, liberal of Muslim countries that we work with, Jordan still, it's criminal to insult the king, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably not a great idea, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I like King of Dulla and his kid is going to be a good king as well, they're good people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that seems unnecessary.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a good man, that's unnecessary, frankly, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's illegal in Israel from what I understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: As a matter of fact, Israel has Muslim people in their government, which is not something that you hear about a lot for some reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine why you don't hear about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, because it goes against the established, I've never seen Jew hatred rise like we're seeing now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Among Stephen's people that were, and I would still consider friends of mine that have gotten swallowed up by all that to where they have taken everything that was
[SPEAKER_00]: they consider everything that Israel does or says is propaganda and then everything that Palestine or Gaza does as truth and fact the Gaza and health ministry or whatever it's like yeah there's a there's an absolute problem there there's three million people in Gaza like thirty million people got killed there like I slow down bud we can do math got to calm down
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's wild to see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it's made guys like, you know, comedian quote unquote Dave Smith, you know, famous.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet he's lost all of his funny bone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I find interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I guess the truly ironic part about that is the principle of charity, which is where you're to take people at their best possible meaning actually comes from a first century Jewish historian, like he coined the phrase, and nobody seems to apply it anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a really important thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I talked about this a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: especially with people like yourself who are deep into politics and have been for a long time because there is this tendency to get entrenched in your own position.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to some degree, you should have roots.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no question about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And your friends know why you believe what you believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should know and you should know what's most people don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like your math teacher made you show the work so they could see where the problem was.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you as an individual should show your work because what if you or somebody else identifies a problem in your logic or like, oh shit, I've got to update this now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the same way that America is meant to be a more perfect union over time, we are meant to be more perfect people over time, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That is the pursuit that we're in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tell people there's a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even when you're debating other people, you've got to get people, you have to, and you can't always do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You try to narrow them down into their actual core belief and see if you can find some agreement.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the best example that I think that I usually use is
[SPEAKER_01]: with healthcare people on the left will say I think we should have free healthcare and my brain is like well this is no such thing as free obviously right and don't call it a human right because nothing that requires somebody else's labor is a human right that's not true absolutely right but what they're actually saying and this is this comes from an epithetic standpoint is that
[SPEAKER_01]: And the richest country in the history of the world, it might be unethical to say you can be as healthy as you can afford to be to a person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I agree with that actually in principle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that because I think individuals in the churches and all this other stuff should be taken care of this problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should find a solution.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's how catholic hospitals
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, we're we're started.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you you had they were generally a big part of them was community based charities, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so you had the wealthy people who could afford the health care supporting those institutions so that they could give health care to the poor and those are popping up
[SPEAKER_01]: again now actually a couple of my buddies there's help there's like a health care co-ops now right yeah health sharing municipalities very very good things but again back to the point me and this person that I would have considered my political enemy now agree on the fundamental and the problem is how do we get to a position where uh... we're gonna find a solution to it that's right I say and this is great and sorry uh... didn't mean to step on it but uh... but yeah I think this is great because
[SPEAKER_00]: What I try to do when I have a liberal on my show or have a conversation at a bar or whatever with somebody that's completely on the other side of me, I try to get them to understand that most of us identify the same problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: health care, like you said, being a perfect example of that, we both see a problem, but we have very different solutions or policies that we believe should be solving those problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: Much of the time the left go to policy or solution is that the government or the state should be the solution.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I fundamentally disagree because you look at in health care and health insurance and all that stuff has been my field for many years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at the actual data of what happens around the world where they have single-payer health or government-run health care systems.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, our system also doesn't work, but our system doesn't work because we took the worst of both worlds.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a pseudo single payer health system really because of the government's involvement in it and the lack of an actual free market, the lack of transparency, the lack of all of that, and then you know, you throw on top of that because of our prosperity, we're also fat and unhealthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's, I think if you're having that conversation with a person on the left, make the statement, well, would you want a Trump government in charge of your health care permanently?
[SPEAKER_01]: And their obvious answer is going to be no, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a reasonable answer and it's the answer that anybody would give even a conservator should frankly give that answer because
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't create these government institutions and expect them to always be managed appropriately.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are inefficient by nature and because the oversight process is difficult and because the firing process is difficult, what tends to happen is just blow to bureaucracy over time which raises costs and lowers benefits.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how well
[SPEAKER_00]: A CAA, you know, Obama care, did that very thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It required and created a roll-up of all of these doctor groups, all of these hospitals, you know, everything became just a few powerful
[SPEAKER_00]: entities controlling it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what we need to, and we talked about it earlier, we needed a decentralized model.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need the doctors to be making the decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to be paying for our own care on a first dollar basis to those doctors not having a third party pay system.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a way to hold people accountable, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: For their product.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a medical board that will hold a doctor accountable for their work product to some degree, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But if there is a doctor down the street that's charging twenty percent more of it getting far better outcomes, most people are going to go try to get that guy, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fair fucking market right there to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, again,
[SPEAKER_01]: The government just doesn't do anything well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think like have the conversation with these people you kind of alluded to before but something I tell people all the time is just because you don't agree with somebody's solution to a problem doesn't mean a problem doesn't exist and the follow on to that is if you don't get involved and help solve this problem if you're a church person or you are doing well in life and you're not doing something to help solve problems
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not talking to your neighbors and helping insulate your community from shit, then the government will show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will show up and solve that problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when the government shows up and nobody's got their hand out, they have no power.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you really believe in this stuff, if you really believe in conservative principles, your mission in life should be to help as many people as you possibly can, because that insulates us from government bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good way of putting it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a good way to end, we got to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell everybody where they can find your find your show, the Bryce Eddie show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, if you want to follow my social media stuff, you know, you can go to my website, BryceEddy.com, be your YCEDDY, and kind of find links to all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my show can be found on Rumble.
[SPEAKER_00]: YouTube, although we're back to growing that channel again after we got disappeared in COVID.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't like what we were saying about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can follow me super Bryce Eddie on Instagram or Bryce Eddie one on X and see me get some brain damage arguing with people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see you there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate your time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you, brother appreciate you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you all for listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has been said.