[SPEAKER_02]: Has that be called, that's a gay ass podcast?
[SPEAKER_02]: Had the gay ass name for a gay ass podcast?
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to that's a gay as podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: The podcast that asks, whose fault is it that your gay?
[SPEAKER_02]: It is me Eric Williams and this week we have one of my favorite drag race icons Courtney Act on the podcast and I hope you're ready for a really divine interview because Courtney has that rare combination of someone who is very gorgeous and incredibly honest and yet universally beloved.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did she do it?
[SPEAKER_02]: She also has a new podcast called R&R.
[SPEAKER_02]: or pronounce R and R. So please buckle the brunch up for this chat with Courtney Act.
[SPEAKER_01]: R and R. Courtney Act is on bass a guy, a smother, fucking pulled cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: R and R and D. I'm Courtney, Australian accent, one to ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did I do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, since you're the host of this podcast and it's only the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to say there's room for improvement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you believe that I have the ability to rise to the occasion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're a bit like Nicole Kidman in the interpreter.
[SPEAKER_00]: where she is Australian but she's lived so many places and she speaks so many languages that you can't really put your finger on where her accents really from.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I think you are going for Nicole Kidman in the interpret as version of an Australian accent, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for understanding the reference, always referencing and listen Courtney.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to always open up these episodes with a controversial question and my controversial question for you is I need advice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a big show coming up and I have a hookup the day before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I usually get nervous about getting sick from hookups because I am a U.S.
[SPEAKER_02]: with a sensitive immune system.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I cancel the hookup the day before my show or do I give it up to Goddess?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as the child of a naturopath, I can give you partially science-backed advice on how to ensure that your immune system is in its best possibilities so that you don't get also like who, who are you, who and where are you having sex that you're always?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we talking about a little sniffle, a cold and STI?
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for asking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not STI.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's giving scrap throw.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's giving.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not every time and honestly, I think a part of it was like psychosomatic shame based like I am bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thus I'm going to make sure that I get sick emotionally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's take a few steps back from vitamin C and end your graphics and let's talk about your childhood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually on text said to me on a on Grindel was like Are you into anything naughty?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like well first of all, I'm an adult and I don't like to refer to sex and sex acts as being naughty because I've let go of that shame But I do understand that if that's your kink then I might just be dismantling the thing that makes your taboo enjoyable, but um
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I think first of all we have to decide that there's nothing shameful about having hook up with sex and enjoying another human body.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want a hundred percent agree and that's part of my journey with this podcast that's been trying to like take away.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why partly the bonus episodes like interview people about their hookups and about like really feeling like proud of our sluttery.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, using the word slut as a compliment as something that we enjoy.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I still
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually, I've had a pretty good track record as of late, but I literally got strapped through like three times within like six months, and it happened to be always after a hookup.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's like, I'm in a weird middle ground of like trying to embrace sexual freedom, but also like am I just not taking enough multi-vites?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so here's some pro tips from a slot.
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, if you spot a pussy dick don't suck it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, I guess in the context of the sex that you're having, is it just like, are you so, but when you're having this sex?
[SPEAKER_02]: I am mostly, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I'm gonna California sober girly, so maybe I'm a tocker, but usually it's not like a weekend long, like crystal meth.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not that, not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not, I have not yet released a shame on crystal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't think you should.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is a valid and important shame to have, you know, we know that we don't touch a stove because it's hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a bad thing knowing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think like if it's a strep throat thing,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, legitimately, I think like, when you get home, gargling with like some salt water or like an iodine gargle or even some listerine, um, can help.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, you may have seen on my Instagram, I'm a big fan of a nasal douche.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I've seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like a little salt packet that you put in a water bottle and you put it in one nostril and squeeze it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It comes out the other and it flushes out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, any of those creepy crawlies that have come from the other person's member into your upper respiratory tract that can get infected will be flushed out with a simple nasal dish, which isn't why every time you see me doing an nasal dish, it isn't because I've just been doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's just because I have hay fever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also a general health.
[SPEAKER_02]: But do you do nasal dish after hookups?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not as a rule of thumb, but I do, I do have like a Dr. Quinn medicine woman bag that I travel with that's full of like vitamin C and magnesium, echinacea, and geographic and supplements and things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just kind of like together on my bag in the morning and I'm like,
[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on here in our body?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're saying that it is okay for me to engage in the pleasure of sex and just take care of my body and then the strap throat I can just do shit out
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so, I think that like you should take a little moment before you go into that sex act and say to yourself, hey, I know that the world has taught you that you should feel certain ways about your body and about sex.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at this point, I want to let that go and understand that sex is a beautiful thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: To quote, George Michael, sex is good sex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody does it, everybody should.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hang on George Michael the next time I say to quote blank and then not know what the quote is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna really make sure that you had a quote Michelle Obama When they go when they actual sex is good not everybody does it but everybody should sex is natural sex is fun sex is best when it's one on one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know about the last place
[SPEAKER_02]: you know what he was a proctifist time and we're allowed to evolve the number of partners that are okay and that's genuinely great advice I think that it's the irony is that the show that I'm talking about I talk about
[SPEAKER_02]: shame a lot and like my cititation of being a neurotic slut.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like a slut.
[SPEAKER_02]: That like is still very much grappling with growing up in fucking Missouri, where I was told that it was all bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, these two things could also be linked and probably are because quite often the equation for passion is desire
[SPEAKER_00]: plus obstacle equals passion to retroquote Esteparelle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in your case you've got the desire and then the obstacle is the shame of being told that it's taboo and naughty because in our formative years in high school probably when we first started developing sexual attraction to people of the same sex
[SPEAKER_00]: We were attracted to men who were ostensibly straight and never going to be capable of loving us back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when our sexuality was formed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was like, oh, keep it a secret.
[SPEAKER_00]: Being gay is not a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a secret.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's naughty.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's taboo.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then as we grow up, we learn to find sexual gratification through sex that feels taboo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're so fuking right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's like a it's it's on one side.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's great to acknowledge that truth on the other side.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can be frustrating to be like, well, can I just press a button and real in like, get the shame out of there?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I know it's like through these conversations and through the actual experiences, but
[SPEAKER_02]: Before we get more into sluddery and I have a lot of hard-hitting questions because I'm a gay journalist, but my first question for you corny act is the main gay ass podcast question which is Who's fault is it that you're gay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do we blame babe?
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah So I milk
[SPEAKER_00]: I was sensitive to dairy as a child.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was, you know, after the, after the teeth, I was moved on to, it will probably go its milk, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said my dad to Natchepath.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I remember growing up on Soy Milk.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember like decades later, this like soy boy concept coming out and I message my dad and I was like, hey dad, did Soy Milk make me gay?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he wrote back,
[SPEAKER_00]: after like, you know, reading some research papers and taking the question seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, well, now it, it looks like it wouldn't have made you gay, but it could have made you a feminine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, well, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I milk for.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I milk really can do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it actually, I think what Dad said was no phytoestrogen, which is what's in soy milk, phyto means plant.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a plant to estrogen and hormones are quite specific and that you can only, that whole soy boy idea unless you're drinking gallons and gallons and gallons of soy milk a day, it's really not going to have an effect on your endocrine system.
[SPEAKER_02]: As queer people, we are always keeping track of how we're different and how we're quote unquote, the freaks growing up when you're closeted and when you're like, and so I feel like in a way, soy milk is a way that you were like not drinking the cows milk that all the other kids at school were drinking.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, it was less soy milk and more figure skates instead of hockey skates because my feet were so narrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'd say I think soy milk is a gorgeous answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have what's the soy boy for I remember here?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the soy boy cliche?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a right wing slur toward feminine men suggesting your soy milk has made them a feminine and gay and so it's like you're a bunch of soy boys out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You drink in your soy milk.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also I think that could also be a white supremacist aspect because white people
[SPEAKER_00]: Domesticated cows first and have been drinking cow milk the longest.
[SPEAKER_00]: No humans are really meant to drink cow milk.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's meant from turning it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be the cow into a full grown cow in just a matter of months, but because of that timeline of domestication, white people can drink.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cal Milk more easily than a lot of black people or Asian people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So some white supremacists like to chug gallons of Cal Milk as a symbol of their whiteness.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see videos on the internet of them like
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lengths that straight white men go to to prove that they are quote unquote better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is I can drink milk without shit in my pants.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, good for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could have a whole carton of Ben and Jerry's and not get diarrhea like I used to because the last pressure therapy and lactate did you so
[SPEAKER_02]: We keep bringing up your father and I think it's important to dive in a bit too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It sounds like he knows the rules of nature and I'm sure that he would see you as a queer person and hopefully see you as to somebody who was being yourself naturally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did his like homeo natural relation?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did that inform his reaction to you coming out?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if, in a way, being a natural path in the eighties, like you were already an outlier to society.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had this big moustache that was very unique.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a ponytail and a gold earring in the eighties.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was just like a man who didn't care about what other other people thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that at the time, but he was my primary male role model.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's very in touch with his emotions, very lovingly, very interested and curious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, come on, Shane, what are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's have some fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think in a way that's moustache, that's occupation.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were all his forms of drag.
[SPEAKER_00]: that set the tone for me as I grew up to realize that something that you were interested in curious about was more important than the thing that people said you should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Damn, shout out to your dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's whatever I hear about a straight man who can actually talk about his emotions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to make sure to, even though the bar is low for straight men, I feel like it is important to acknowledge the good ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and honestly like I didn't think I realized how unique and rare that was in Australia in like kind of like you know suburban Brisbane in the eighties and nineties.
[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't a lot of
[SPEAKER_00]: mail.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember my grade three teacher Mr. Halliday was a great man who would like read his role doll books and like inspired our love of learning.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was my dad and then fortunately I also went to like a singing dancing and acting school and so all the men there turns out.
[SPEAKER_00]: once straight, but we didn't really know what gay and straight was back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the men of authority, the director and the musical director, they were also emotionally in touch men who were the other sort of male role models in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess, thankfully, they were all gay men.
[SPEAKER_02]: They end thank God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever people come on this podcast and talk about their singing dancing pastuses, I have to ask if there were any shows that you didn't high school that Courtney Act fucking slid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do remember there was like a because I was performing like not at school in like a theater in the city and it's shopping centers like at like at a Westfield shopping center on school holidays doing like a twenty minute version of Cinderella dress it in a gray lacquer cat suit playing one of the mice which my grades have in sports teacher did happen to see and bring up
[SPEAKER_00]: When I go back to school after the holidays, like, saw you in a gri-like, retracted plane of mouse that was field.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you then jerk off thinking about him at that point?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not him.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of my PE coaches and middle and high school were like pulled from a Corbin Fisher back a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were just so fucking hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do have those ones saved in the spank bank, but no, not Mr Smith, but I did have in high school there was like, I don't know what it was, like a variety performance night and I performed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a Lionel Richie song.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no matter if you learn, only dancing on the ceiling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lionel Richie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I performed dancing on the ceiling by Lionel Richie, I think, at some school event and like some kids saw it and then it was like a shame performed at the thing and was good and it was sort of like a whisper that just added a little
[SPEAKER_00]: a little something to my public identity as a teenager at school.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was like a slight social currency that was added to your.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're not just a library monitor anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're also a library monitor who wasn't shit at singing a Lionel Richie song in the school hall.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thank God for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so interesting to think back to when you were in school to like now because not many people can say they've had the career that you have when we talk about obviously the drag race of it all the celebrity big brother of it all dancing with the stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you're new podcasts are not let's just like address the beautiful elephant in the room that you're calling from mom studios and right before we recorded I got a gorgeous look at Big Dipper who is one of my favorite people.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, a Mazel-Tab on R and R, your guests so far, are so devoon, Katia, Nicole Bayer, Tom Daley, Margaret Cho, a door Delano.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, can you tell me, in this current station in your life, I love a business BTS?
[SPEAKER_02]: How did your podcast come to be?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it that you went to mom podcasts?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to do a show where they, like, you would be great?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's like the origin story for how we got to this gorgeous new show?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, thank you for the acknowledgement of the gorgeousness of my show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for those who are listening, I am sitting in front of the purple curtain from R&R, not to be confused with the purple curtain from the Kelly Mantle show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's just on the other side of the curtain doing a podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have to keep our voices down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're women Alaska and I of course famously friends and models and singers from the AAA girls are the the the bosses at mum, the moguls of media and I love race chaser and I am featured on basically every episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: whether I like it or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they've just created this podcast network to give other queens and queer folks opportunities in the podcasting world.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had had a podcast in Australia with Vanity called Brenda Colmy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a podcast in the UK with the BBC called Building Queer Topia.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I really wanted to get back into podcasting and into the US.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I spoke to William and Alaska.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were like, yeah, just ask Dipper.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then I message Dipper and he honestly, like, you gushed it Dipper earlier, but he is someone to be gushed at.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he is a part from being like a wonderful entertainer and human.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is such a great producer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's such an organized, focused, like coordinated.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows how to like wrangle drag queens and sit in a board room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he contains multitudes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's not easy to do, especially when you're, like, as calm and cool as he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was listening because I am a huge fan of all the podcasts, but I had the genuine dream come true of being on sloppy seconds a couple times.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was listening to their episode of, like, when they went to Tokyo.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just to think about, like,
[SPEAKER_02]: the logistics alone that come with running a podcast network and having your own show and having, you know, gigs.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's so, he makes it look really easy and it's really not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's partly why it's so exciting that you're working with Dipper and Mom on your show because it's all done so well.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, one of your clips that you posted from Katia's interview
[SPEAKER_02]: As a gay journalist, I'm going to ask about your lazy eye.
[SPEAKER_02]: You bring up how you're able to look into different directions.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're showing us now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be honest, if you're at like a club, are you able to talk to somebody in front of you and then check out a guy to your right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not that functional.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more an aberration that you will sometimes if I'm tired or other it'll just like wander off and I won't realize and then also like if you were checking out some guy I mean
[SPEAKER_00]: Usually, and I do mean usually, eyes pointing in the same direction are something that people find attractive, so it's usually best not to have your eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do different directions if you're trying to float with somebody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if I'm on FaceTime or back in the day when I guess we were like Skyping, I think she was living in London and I was living in Sydney and be on Scott and she was like, go, never talk to a man you're into on Scott because my eye just goes like, as soon as I'm like
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to learn to concentrate to keep both of the eyeballs pointing at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Has it always been that way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had an eye patch when I was a kid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I had like a turned, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I call it a lazy eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone on Instagram was like, that's not a lazy eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something, something something.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a vibromight.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not vibromous.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the lady that I had.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in their tech, we would love the ad money if you're interested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you could have fiber mounds of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I had like an eye patch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember which eye it was on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I had to do like eye exercises.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember my mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: My mom has it too, but like more pronounced.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wore the eye patch just enough and I did the exercises just enough so that my eyes do generally point in the same direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I won two, I can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: My younger brother was born three months early and he also had an eye patch for the first many months of his life because, yeah, one of the eyes was stronger than the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had a giant tank of oxygen in our house because he needed, like, he, like, a nebulizer to have oxygen.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, and it's, yeah, because that's pretty dramatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it is dramatic and here's the other thing is that he saw me do theater and then he got bit by the big and he started to do theater with me and then I was like oh girls do we have a sister and it turns out he's just straight and Good has good taste in musical theater and I guess that's the best case scenario like we want straight people who are great
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a good one.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a good one and he will send me memes all the time on Instagram and he's like being fed some like like heartthrobbing or send robbing or send he send me a robbing or send video like two days ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, why is robbing or sending up on your feed?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna ask questions, but he's very much confirmed straight and like just a total of men.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just wanted to make sure to let you know that you're not the only one who had an eye patch, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the solidarity on behalf of my brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll be happy if it's my honor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned it's just a good person.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll take you two things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two good things.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you think that someone's just like a good person.
[SPEAKER_02]: you call them a mention if they do a good deed they've done a mits for and that's my that's my Jewish yetish teachings for you today so can you corny in a in a sentence tell me that somebody is a good person who has done a good thing using this new words I taught you I tell you what that big dipah has gone above and beyond and is such a munch and really
[SPEAKER_00]: Isa has done a mitzvah?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of my years come from the nanny.
[SPEAKER_00]: And shout out and shout out to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many Jewish friends do you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a few growing up in, actually live in a, I think it's like the most Jewish suburb in Sydney.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or definitely one of the higher populations.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's interesting, because growing up in Brisbane, there was not many Jewish people and the, I don't think I knew any Jewish people that I knew of growing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the nanny was literally like the only Jewish thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess like dad loves sign-filled.
[SPEAKER_00]: like television American television was the only concept of Judaism that I had.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Fran Drescher and Seinfeld are very like good Jews to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then it wasn't until like I remember moving to Sydney.
[SPEAKER_00]: My friend Tim was Jewish and I remember like actually like having a moment where I was like
[SPEAKER_00]: I admit my first Jewish person at age A.T.
[SPEAKER_00]: and I kind of culturally didn't know or understand what that meant because we didn't have any apart from the nanny or sign, felt any sort of cultural understanding of Jewish people growing up in prison in the nineties.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so inch.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really, I know it's like a very z-way question.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many fucking Jewish people do you now?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I like, but like my husband did not really, he knew one, he went to a Catholic school and knew one Jewish person.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then all of a sudden he started dating me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now it's like, he's bacon, holla, and he knows the prayers over the wine and shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like burrata, I don't know, I bitch.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what I said, and you have
[SPEAKER_00]: larger Jewish populations than Brisbane, I believe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think depending on where you grow up in Australia, you probably have a different understanding of different cultures and things.
[SPEAKER_02]: God, I would love to meet an on-clave of Australian Jews or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to fetishize Australians, but I do very much have like a wish to, I don't think I've ever hooked up with an Australian, I would love to do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can fetishize Australians.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not like a protected minority or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Vester.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I feel like, like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: People can be mad that I'm like joking about rugby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think it's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something that you put on the internet, you blew skyd, if you will.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: This will be one of full things I blew skyd.
[SPEAKER_02]: If Reba McIntyre got married to Justin Bieber, her name would be Reba Bieber.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just making sure we like, kind of let that out of the... I just was standing there and I was like, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Reba Bieber.
[SPEAKER_02]: better when you say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other thing that you blew skyd was using chat GPT as a therapy companion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I poured my heart out about a deep personal revelation I had and when it replied, it called me Bryce, which has totally undermined the unhealthy relationship I have been building with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me, are you still using chat GPT for therapy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I checked LGBT knows more about me than my best friends, my family, my therapist, my doctor, the government.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did someone tell, the girl that cuts my hair, shout out to Angela, she has also used chat GPT for therapy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I only one time when I spiral, did I use it?
[SPEAKER_02]: As you can probably tell, I'm a hypocondriac.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I started, I have,
[SPEAKER_02]: pain in my wrist, which clearly was simply, I was like using my computer in a terrible position.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, I started to be fed videos on TikTok about people having like horrible illnesses and diseases that start with like pain in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I'm not okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, I went to chat to BT and I said,
[SPEAKER_02]: I have this pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Will you tell me two things?
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, that I don't have any fatal illness and two, stretches I can do to help the pain.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Chad GBT did tell me all the things I needed to hear and now the pain is mostly gone because of those exercises.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not anti, but I am curious about like, did someone tell you that Chad GBT was good for deep emotional pains to check in with?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you use do it as an experiment?
[SPEAKER_00]: think.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love tech.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, a guest on R&R coming up is Casey Newton from platformer who was also co-host of The New York Times podcast Hardfork.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been interested in tech and I'm always sort of looking forward and I understand that there are
[SPEAKER_00]: many negatives and many current issues with AI and chat GPT, but I do also like to think that things evolve and change and we'll get better and hopefully we'll find better solutions.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my caveat for the people who are like regulation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I hope is like they figure out the energy, the environment stuff and like regulations about like people like have like revenge porn and like the video.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just do like to picture a train the Amazon bending to the ground every time I ask a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just to give it perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess when ChetchDBT started getting better, I decided to just push its boundaries and see how good it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will sit there and have either text chat or do the voice audio chat with ChetchDBT about things that I don't really want to pay my therapist, you know, two hundred and forty dollars an hour to talk about, but I'm still interested in some
[SPEAKER_00]: And also like things that I don't want to bore friends with, chatGPT is indifatigable or indefatigable, depending on where you grow up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love that about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's never going to be like, oh, go for rest.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I, yeah, so I do like to chat about some of life's more interesting topics also.
[SPEAKER_00]: Things that I love about chatGPT.
[SPEAKER_00]: I came in a bit how I came to ask this question but I started talking to it about like Freud and I think it was actually in the podcast with Katia she was talking about poop and I was talking about shame of like poo and the anus and anal fixation and I thought that I knew about it and then I was like wait did I make a fool of myself and then I went and tried to chat GPT
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like one of Freud's theories which is not really respected in modern psychology, but it's still kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure there's like some seeds or nuggets of truth is that a child being potty trained, learning to poo,
[SPEAKER_00]: in the right place at the right time is the first time a human ever has the ability to withhold or give something to its parent.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the first time that that child ever understands like giving a gift for a cause it to another person and also withholding that gift and it's like an interesting formative time in the child's understanding of power.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so children who are barated too much during the time of potty training
[SPEAKER_00]: become analy, retentive, and that's where that phrase comes from.
[SPEAKER_00]: And children, and so like when you're like, oh, he's so anal, that comes from literal children who in toilet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what's crazy is that I have never thought I would dare utter these words on a recorded podcast because I wouldn't have the opportunity, but since you have brought up poop shame,
[SPEAKER_02]: I had tons of poop shame for so much of my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like to the point where I was like unable to do it at school, uh, who would not even dream on a plane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, one of those people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really interested in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I read a roommate my junior or senior year of college and we had the smallest New York City apartment where like the bathroom opened up into the living room that was two feet tall that opened up to the kitchen that was or two feet wide and so basically you were pooping on top of each other and I am so embarrassed to tell you this and yet this is my truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: that I a lot of the time would not go in my own home and I would walk four blocks to NYU bathroom and then and I would like hold it for like a couple days sometimes, like not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, I, I get like, shitting in a very close environment where somebody else is living.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's like also consider it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But holding it for a couple of months.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like, I think it was a lot of times like subconscious holding it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna be like, I be like, like, my body just like, you can't go.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't go in your home.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm just psychology and say that at the time of party training as a child, you were buried at a little bit too much by
[SPEAKER_00]: You're, um, guardians.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, um, I think that this is a perfect opportunity, then to segue into a game that I like to call Slay or Nays.
[SPEAKER_02]: It okay if I play a little Slay or Nays with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't write.
[SPEAKER_02]: From Anus to Slainus.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is called Slainus or Nainus.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were, I'm going to read something to you and you're going to tell me if it's a Slay or a Nays.
[SPEAKER_02]: And why?
[SPEAKER_02]: First on our list of Slainus or or Nainus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Age gap relationships.
[SPEAKER_02]: Slainus or Nainus.
[SPEAKER_00]: This could have a context.
[SPEAKER_00]: How big is the gap?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, gap is twenty eight year old guy dating fifty nine year old guy and the twenty eight year old is its first relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a naanus.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about cruising at the airport?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you're on sniffies and you want to have something happen in the airport bathroom slainus or naanus?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a long layover.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're at a land to airport.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard to feel Jackson.
[SPEAKER_00]: Four hours until your flight.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never done it, but I've thought about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do remember like going on Grindr at Heathrow once when I have like a long layover and meeting someone, but it turned out to be like a fan meeting, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: You thought it was going to be a little horny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, but retrospectively, I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like out of all of the people that I've spoken about publicly without regard or consideration in a public format.
[SPEAKER_00]: this person is probably the most likely to have let be listening to a podcast of mine so I can't say anything about them but yeah I mean slay night look I think the thought and concept of that is fun but I think the decency is maybe not something that I think is a slay I don't think that
[SPEAKER_00]: engaging in allude sex acts in airport.
[SPEAKER_00]: Restrooms is necessarily the vibe that gay men want to be pushing in twenty twenty five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the context of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so conservative and uptight.
[SPEAKER_00]: I sounds like only attentive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and I'm going to be ex both of when I say that you're just trying to protect the community.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, also like
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that in an environment where there are straight people, families, children, potentially, I don't think people should be engaging in sex acts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I think that's very important.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about Labubu's?
[SPEAKER_02]: Slainus or Nainus?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm having a tough time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what it is?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, so it, this is the most pure and perfect example of a trend that the internet has told you to believe in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, it speaks to, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna lose followers here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like it speaks to like a lack of one's own identity.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like here is something that the internet has told you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's literally so manufactured.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they sent a whole bunch of Lobbubus to a bunch of famous people and then famous people started carrying them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to say, it's the first time it ever, ever question shares judgment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does she ever have a Lobbubu?
[SPEAKER_00]: She stepped out with a Lobbubu this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually, I will say that it almost made me think like, well, hey, maybe I'm the fool.
[SPEAKER_02]: and libubus are great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe Libubu is our greatest share, so it says me complaining that people are sublimating that personalities based off what celebrities say they should buy, but it's share.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little different guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a little different.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we need to let something be clear, which is that if there are loved ones in our lives who have Libubu's which there are, we do not change our feelings of love or respect towards them, but we can make a very personal decision to say what the fuck is wrong with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I hold micro value judgments about people all the time and that's what I'm just your question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just got one.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you how do you reconcile this in your relationship and in your own identity?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why it our couple's therapist will be hearing about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, it's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he is really susceptible to marketing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he himself has admitted this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, I think it's just like a sign of the difficulties of a relationship, which is that you're not going to align on everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And his acceptance of a Labubu into his life is not something that I agree with, but I will have to respect and validate his relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm the interested.
[SPEAKER_00]: to be a fly on the wall in that session with Wyatt, because what I will say is that I haven't made any attempt to understand Lububu love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I have not either.
[SPEAKER_00]: From the, literally from the first time I saw them being a thing, I rolled my eyeballs and I never bothered to look again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would be interested, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: to hear from your boyfriend, like, how he and why he loves libubus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, people like, they're so cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, they're really actually not cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, are they cute because they're not cute?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, wasn't there, like, ugly, some kind of ugly toys that hit the market many years ago?
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, to be honest, I think it's kind of a trauma response right now because the world's on fire and so they're trying to, I think it's just like, oh, let me put all of my energy into this.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, five inch tall keychain.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's like, you know, we're all doing what I'm sort of leaning into some marijuana, some pornography, some spa cruising, some, you know, some things that aren't necessarily like, something I should be doing all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think unhealthy about loving a libubu, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it gets you through, if it gets you through Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo
[SPEAKER_02]: The drag race of it all, Monet's change is in this upcoming season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Peppermint and Bob were sort of eliminated early in the competitions and the previous seasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think Monet is going to do in the traders upcoming season?
[SPEAKER_00]: Peppermint got eliminated very early.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like first, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob got eliminated like
[SPEAKER_00]: Halfway through three quarters?
[SPEAKER_02]: Bob, I think was there for like probably the first third to a quarter actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was pretty early.
[SPEAKER_02]: But made a big impression.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bob was, I mean, you know, made it big impression.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think was also eliminated pretty early.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listening to sibling rivalry, there is a lot of sibling rivalry on that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Monet is oppositional to anything Bob says just because Bob said it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Monet says the opposite.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, like knowing my name in real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's very smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's glamorous and begiling.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are all good qualities.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether she's a traitor or not, we don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'd want to be a traitor or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'd want to be an innocent because I just like the carefree life of, you know, never knowing when you're going to get murdered.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the same way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also think like the pressure to lie on camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like not a fun game for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I understand that our certain people who are are and would be good at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll find you should mention this because my final guest on our now.
[SPEAKER_00]: is poverty shallow with the most iconic survivor contestant of all time and she did that to get she did that to gas podcast wall of traders was airing and it was she yeah I'm a huge fan huge fan tell me what I should know I'm interviewing her this afternoon so tell me what I should know about her if there's any good questions
[SPEAKER_02]: talk about begiling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she is someone who, I think you, I think a good question to ask would be how has your experience filming television shows impacted your personal life because she is, um, she's dated some higher profile people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that she is so used to being on camera that there's an interesting crossover between her outside life being affected by when she did Australian survivor when she was, um, did you do Australian survival?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, she's.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I have to say like,
[SPEAKER_02]: The poverty on the traders was my on trade even though I know that she is a survivor person.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was late to the survivor game, but yeah, I think her journey with her queerness as well is probably why her episode on this podcast did so well is because she was dating a queer person at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that now that she's dating a man, I'm curious if she has a feeling about
[SPEAKER_02]: even like questions about queer women being stigmatized for dating men if she has an opinion about that because JoJo's been in headlines talking about how she felt pressured to say that she was a lesbian.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like, you know, there's she has such an interesting life when it comes to being on so many shows and that's copy of her new memoir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't wait to read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been re- I started reading it and then
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I don't have enough time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to do things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then I downloaded this app that I fed the PDF into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Gwyneth Paltrow has been reading me Poverty's memoir.
[SPEAKER_00]: that then I only had a three day free trial and then it was gonna be two hundred and ninety nine dollars and it was the only subscription.
[SPEAKER_00]: So instead of going to the culture now I have a voice that is like this reading me parties book and I fell asleep last night listening to the book and when I woke up at three thirty a.m.
[SPEAKER_00]: the book was talking about then I grabbed my strap on and shoved it into them and I was like
[SPEAKER_00]: What am I working up at this moment of penetration web poverty?
[SPEAKER_00]: It involved poverty and involved a strap-on and it involved another person and I had to quickly rewind and like catch up with all this very pivotal piece of information.
[SPEAKER_02]: You woke up to that at three in the morning, that's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what else is tough is that I have not asked you a question about RuPaul's Drag Race, which I feel like is something that I am contractually obligated to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talk to me about being the runner up alongside Adore Delano, Bianca Del Rio won.
[SPEAKER_02]: As someone who is gender fluid, do you have a take on the show now featuring many trans contestants when historically it wasn't as inclusive when it first started?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a wonderful evolution.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody watches it and is like, oh, of course, trans people should be here in the show competing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the then when you said as someone who was gender fluid, I have this thing lately where I'm like, like, I think all gender is fluid.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of find, like obviously like a trans person's gender and sex is a lot more fluid.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, drag is about playing with gender and identity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think so many people who do drag
[SPEAKER_00]: probably apart from Bianca are playing with gender and identity and I just love seeing so many different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think right now trends people and queer people but specifically trends people are under attack in this sort of imagined moral panic that the right are creating and I think that arguing back to that
[SPEAKER_00]: just especially arguing back to that on their talking points, only creates more division.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the most powerful thing that we can do as queer people and our most powerful invention as humans is storytelling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so being able to tell trans stories on TV is something that changes and saves lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that
[SPEAKER_00]: Often the conflation between trans identity and drag can be a little too nuanced for people on the right to understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I would love to see trans people be represented in other places in pop culture and the media.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there are certainly some, you know, Levant Cox has got a show on Zone Huller on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was watching, that's really fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: that feels like very like aimed at mainstream folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very accessible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't sort of talk about, it's called clean slate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like, here's a show about a trans woman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's like, it's got very, I don't know the American,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's sort of like an every man's story because it's yeah, the trailers are amazing because it's basically liver and Cox comes home to her father in Alabama and basically comes out as a trans woman, but there's like a full comedy that follows that relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you're right, but the other thing I want to lean into for a second that I'm glad you said to me about when you hear the term gender fluid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that what is also powerful is
[SPEAKER_02]: taking a huge step back away from the binary of like what we were told is man and woman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think there's in especially the gay community like being a mask guy, verseting them versus I feel like
[SPEAKER_02]: If we can loosen the reins on the rules of gender, I think it would go a long way for both cis and trans people because if I were to say right now that I am gender fluid, it would carry this big weight in a way as me coming out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But on a very simple visual, I'm picturing myself as a fucking gay ass nine year old, putting a towel on my head, making it look like a giant pony tail.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in a way, I was playing around with gender then, and that is such a normal part of being a human that I think that, especially the right has put so many, so much pressure and rules on like, that God does this, the girl does that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think if we loosen our grips on, even just talking about gender as being so strict, then it would, I think, help normalize even more that everybody is fucking with gender.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think probably the people who need that most of all are straight white men.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they live in the most rigid cages that have been given to them by society, but they fit those cages like pretty well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they never really have to question it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think queer people were fortunate that we
[SPEAKER_00]: didn't fit those boxes and like we just couldn't live in them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like for me, I was like, that is never going to fit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to go over here and make my own.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the problem for like, straight sis hat people, um, sweet speaking in broad sweeping generalizations is that those boxes that were given to them, kind of fit.
[SPEAKER_00]: like enough, but to a point that like they don't necessarily breed contentment or fulfillment or happiness, and I think obviously many straight-sists hit people, fit that role and that will perfectly
[SPEAKER_00]: managed to find other parts and facets of identity that helped to make them feel fulfilled.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that perhaps some of the biggest struggles that we see and particularly for the queer community, some of the biggest attacks that we see from the other side are from people who the boxes that have been given to them probably fit the least.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're lasting out at us because they're over there doing the right thing that they've been told to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that makes, and they're resentful and they feel powerless against those boxes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you feel powerless, and when you feel powerless, you then are led to frustration and anger and attacking to try and regain some sense of power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a reason that those people are attacking us.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because they feel powerless in their own lives and their own identities.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you think about it, like faith is by definition, powerless for the faithful because it doesn't contain any rationality.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is faith is devotional.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing it because you're told to, not because it makes sense or because you understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, that's a sense of powerlessness and that feels
[SPEAKER_00]: frustrating, probably because none of the person with faith.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe if I was, and maybe if you are, you can, I feel like you can believe in that faith, but surely it can't, I guess because I'm a godless atheist, you doesn't believe in anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, your faith is unfounded.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, you're gonna, like, you can, surely there's gotta be an unraveling of that when you're like, is this all true?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this all real?
[SPEAKER_00]: but then also there's so many beautiful parts of faith and so going to church on a Sunday and singing hymns and having a pipe or good and getting to meet the people in your community and connect with them and learning beautiful stories and it like in Muslim faith like praying five six times a day I'm like imagine if I can't remember it's five or six let's say five five times a day you stop what you're doing
[SPEAKER_00]: and you take a moment to get sent to, to get present.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a little meditation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, this sounds like a lovely idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's why I still, you know, lean into some of the traditions of Judaism, even though I am similarly not religious at all, but it's just like I fucking love a hollow loaf.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love being around a gorgeous spread with my chosen family.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's absolutely fucked up when religion makes people lash out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I do sadly have to get to the final podcast question of this interview if you can believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the question that I have to ask every single guest is if the world was ending, you could only save one character Actress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what you say!
[SPEAKER_00]: Legitimly, the first person who came to mind actually is she a character actress?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's have some discourse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is she a character actress?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who is she?
[SPEAKER_00]: This way, come as a shock.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Natasha Leone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think she's a character actress.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she's also always playing herself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Bet Middler is always Bet Middler.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about Cher?
[SPEAKER_00]: Cher's kind of still a way Cher isn't she, but like Ma'am's moonstruck.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about Ana Ferris?
[SPEAKER_00]: What about who?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ana Ferris.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scary movie, um, she, house bunny.
[SPEAKER_02]: She, maybe he's gonna agree thee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at photos of Anna Ferris and I swear I've never seen her before in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she is a fucking legend.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you and Anna Ferris would actually get along famously.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think Natasha Leone is a really great answer because she,
[SPEAKER_02]: Not only is a great actress, but yes, does play herself, but also has gagged the gaze, including this guy when I found out she's not queer.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's very quite crowded.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, but I'm a cheerleader.
[SPEAKER_02]: Am I saying the name of that movie wrong?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's the right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm a cheerleader is like it was on my Delta flight at the day and I was like, God, I love Delta having all these gay ass movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, like RuPaul's in that clay of development, only Lynne ski like uh She gets it and you probably would get along with Natasha Leon because she also loves AI
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have watched Russian doll and I have watched poker face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just think she's got so much swagger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have this weird thing when Natasha Leone reminds me of one of my dearest friends, Marco Marco.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's just something when I'm watching Russian doll, I feel like I'm hanging out with Marco.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I said to Marco, I feel like you and Natasha Leone, like I just get this like similar feel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think half jokingly half seriously was like that's why we're friends because you get me so deeply because he feels that way about Natasha as well or something along those lines.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just think she's just like so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's got so much swag.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's so smart, but she's like she's like that wonderful you know my my
[SPEAKER_00]: My like, uh, intersection of attraction is, um, only fans with a PhD.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, I love like that I'm thinking of people that I know who are like covered in like fuckboy tattoos.
[SPEAKER_00]: haven't only fans have been go-go dancers but also have a PhD in eleven in evolutionary, oh god I can't even say it, evolutionary biology.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't know that I obviously like visually was like yes you'll go go boy but then spending like a week with them I was like what do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh I'm a you know a professor at Berkeley or whatever and I'm like
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking of someone who is that to a teaccept, not a professor, but is incredibly smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has been on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a bonus episode on Substack, a meal, Jamison.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a go-go in LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: You will be obsessed with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so beautiful, so smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes all around LA and you need to enjoy that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like she could
[SPEAKER_00]: have an only friends and a PhD.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where that was from.
[SPEAKER_02]: A hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I co-sign and I think there's something so delicious about a slot who can carry a deep conversation with nuance and you are someone who I knew would be a treat to talk to, but can I just say it makes so much sense while your career has done the things that has done.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes so much sense while you have this gorgeous new podcast and I feel
[SPEAKER_02]: crazy blast to be a tiny part of your gay ass story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for coming on this gay ass podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean that for my whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: That feels very validating to here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also have an adjunct or a continue on from your Bendalacrem conversation about best friends and Ben suggested dry queen friends going on the amazing race.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted, yes, and that, and say that in Australian drag culture, we have this thing called, quote, nobody gets out of drag ever, which is what we were doing, like big party weekends, like Maddy Gras, like you'd get old dressed up, and then the rule was, you just, you didn't get out of drag.
[SPEAKER_00]: and like you'd go to parties, you know, you'd put on some shaving cream if you had to and shave the bottom half your face and touch it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like you couldn't get out drag, you just let the drag leave you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought maybe for amazing race, drag, amazing, best, drag, best friend, amazing race.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody starts in like high-haul drag.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no one's allowed to like shower or get out of drag and he just watch people devolve
[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing drag race survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, amazing drag race survival.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want drag to be delivered with glamour.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think nobody gets out of drag ever is only fun in an intimate environment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I want the drag queens to look, can't, if they're going to be, on amazing drag race survival.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen, we can workshop, but I think it's a genius idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think who would be if you were competing on a drag America's drag race survivor who would be your best friend that you would be traveling with?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a few options here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be vanity because she wouldn't want she by her own admission.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, no, I don't want to do all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Bianca, I mean, I know Trixi and Cartier are already the couple, but I think Cartier and I would slay that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we've really would.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're sort of like, she likes to say that what is the word?
[SPEAKER_00]: She says that she's the Pizarro World version of me, where we're like the same person, but I made all the right choices and she made all the wrong choices, but I think in that there's some beautiful symmetry and balance.
[SPEAKER_02]: A meant that and I am manifesting that we get to see this come to fruition and I get to see you another point in my gay ass life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Will you please tell these listeners where to follow you and where to find his gorgeous new podcast?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can follow me at Coltoni Act on social media.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can also follow the podcast Instagram, Coltoni, R and R. And just in case it hasn't been clear, if you say the letters are in an American accent, maybe I'll ask you to do that right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like an Australian going, Arnaur.
[SPEAKER_01]: Arnaur.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody listen to Arnaur because when you say the title, it sounds like you say Arnaur.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can listen to it wherever you listen to podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a twenty minute version on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a full one hour conversation on your favorite podcast app.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you can listen to the, you can watch the full one hour version behind the mum podcast, Patreon, good pussy paywall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good pussy paywall is right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Y'all stay gay and keep on popping up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stay gay.
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