[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to bring you out to our huddles.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are in!
[SPEAKER_02]: The way started with me, bramming with me, per usual, my master.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of all things, video and sound, Maxine, how's it going?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maxine, miss you last week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Traveling internationally, no less, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: How you been?
[SPEAKER_02]: You feel up to speed.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's been a bunch of free agency in the last few days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you jet lagged?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you fired up?
[SPEAKER_02]: How does this episode find you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hella jet lagged.
[SPEAKER_00]: I landed in the time zone at eight a.m.
[SPEAKER_00]: on Monday morning, which happened to be five p.m.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday night.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I quote unquote watched game seven for the first hour of my work day.
[SPEAKER_00]: On Monday, it was a very, very strange sensation, especially with Tyrese going down so early, just super bizarre experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: But overall, yeah, totally caught up on free agency because nothing has happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really easy to keep track of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you one of those people?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, they tell you, like, if it's going to be giant jet lag, if there's a huge time flip, you're supposed to just power through, you know, like dumb go to sleep, just go through and and keep it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They always tell me that I'd never fucking do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always just like go to sleep this second on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever the wrong move is, that's my move.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for you, do you like I see you actually following the jet lag rules like did you try to to power through a hundred percent and I did that and it failed so spectacularly because I didn't sleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then I was just sleep deprived on top of being in the wrong time zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I almost like I couldn't eat for three days because my body was like fucked up and then I couldn't sleep either.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was honestly it was a terrible experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why that makes me happy but it did make you laugh in here.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... let's talk for you to see man okay so quick practical reality we knew this before the offseason even started we knew this before the warrior season ended the warriors are not gonna really participate are not gonna understand what they can add how they can add it until after the jk situation has worked itself out
[SPEAKER_02]: So chances are really there's not going to be any major free agency moves for the lawyers until I don't know at least another few weeks here and actually the teams roster probably won't be settled until January February until after the trade deadlines gone they've had a chance to see
[SPEAKER_02]: where they stand and then they make some moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: But does that prevent us from watching free agency and being jealous of everything going on around us?
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck no, fuck no, it hasn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for today's podcast, we're going to be looking at moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: The warriors have made.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be looking at moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: The warriors are rumored to be considering making and we're going to be looking at moves that the warriors did not make.
[SPEAKER_02]: There have been some free agency signings.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm gonna throw those out to you and see whether or not we would want to have made any of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's jump into our glass half full and start exploring this shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you know, we're mixing glass half full.
[SPEAKER_02]: We look back at recent warriors, basketball warriors, news, basketball news in general, and pull out something we like and we don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's start with the one concrete thing we know has happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: for the offseason in uh... warriors land and it's that kevan loony is gone maxi loon has signed a two-year sixteen million dollar deal with the norland's pelicans he's going to be reunited with Jordan pool out there the end of an era no less look at it tell me what do you think man glass have full empty word is this move it
[SPEAKER_00]: The writing sort of felt like it was on the wall, but it doesn't make the impact any less hard to take.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously Clay is the moment where you feel like the dynasty ended.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there is something about Looney's consistency.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that he didn't start out on the team as somebody, that was a touted member of the team, and in fact had some early shoulder stuff, and it was really just Steve Kerr,
[SPEAKER_00]: believing in him that kept him on the squad as long as it did until he became such a rock solid component of what we're trying to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it feels a little bit like, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: if I could say another deathnell to the dynasty, a second deathnell, an inevitability, but really, really hard to think that we're going to watch this squad next year without Kavall Lune on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't fucking stand it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So look, is this something that probably needed to happen probably?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's breaking news to say that the warriors needed to get younger.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm we've been saying that more athletic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and when they lose loon, they're losing a player who's older and not necessarily at the height of SS athleticism.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's so like, I get why you would let him walk.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now that it's been announced, do I like it?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not at all, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a core piece.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a guy who is meant everything to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and so look, stuff on the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The twenty rebound games, three championships, all those times, he accepted whatever the hell role we needed him to take.
[SPEAKER_02]: when they asked Kevin Loon to do something, he did it immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not just his on the floor stuff, it's the off the floor stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But don't take my word for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I pull the quote from Steve Kerr, and he offered this after the Jordan pool got punched scenario.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while everything was just in fucking chaos in Golden State, here's how Kerr described what Loon's impact was in the locker room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Luna is incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy has so much wisdom.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so quiet that if you don't pay attention, you may not realize that he has become the moral compass of our team.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a special human being, special
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was a key instrument in everything that we've had going the last week to try to, you know, get things back on track.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll ride with loon forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a special man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it turns that he wasn't right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'm not going to ride with him forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, look, I mean, let's put this in the context where we're just talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: will ultimately the warriors bring in somebody presumably younger, you know, and try to reach that more athletic or more athletic, younger roster probably, you know, probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you lose people who are of, you know, loons of age, what do you lose?
[SPEAKER_02]: You lose things like moral compass.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you lose things like special player.
[SPEAKER_02]: You lose things like someone you want to ride with forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, it's a necessary sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of the definition of glass apple.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get why they did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they had asked me, should we?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I would have said yes, but does it hurt?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It sucks to say, go bye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember that quote distinctly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when it came out, and I remember thinking, wow, Steve Cruz, awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so is Looney.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was, you know, there's another story about him being a champion for yoga in the locker room in general and how much it helped him sort of manage being a big body that's getting slammed around the court all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just like right obviously all of these little things add up to a person that
[SPEAKER_00]: uh probably behind the scenes has shaped warriors culture in this dinastic run as much as Steph and you everybody talks about Steph's influence in terms of being a team for a guy that everybody wants to play with but obviously it takes a full locker room of people to not just follow along with that but add their own flavor to it and it's really really clear that loonies a huge part of that so you know you mentioned like yeah we got to send him out the door because uh we need to get younger and yet a lot of the rumors that are coming in which we'll get to in a little bit are not necessarily trying to make us any younger
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we're in this moment right now where nothing has happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have nothing to get excited about, except for Looney leaving, which obviously doesn't make us excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in that vacuum, it makes it worse because the rumors that are swirling are like great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we might replace him with somebody that's even older than him that admittedly has more all star accolades.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a particularly vulnerable moment for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think for this fan base at large, watching him go out the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're watching all of our friends get new toys and we're not getting shit, we're losing things.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know Houston signs Katie the magic get bane Denver gets everybody I mean like there's all of these things all these people are getting new toys and meanwhile we're being told we can't spend for shit and our old favorite chair has to be given away.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't afford it anymore
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and so I'm almost anywhere else, but like am I happy to be watching it this way?
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear the random questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mentioned Jordan Poll is in New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just got traded out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Loon is going there as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last time that least they were on a same roster was at that practice when Poll got punched in the face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so if you're Jordan pool, and there's no one in Washington, he's been over to talk to about this at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's behind him, but at some point, do you bring up the fight to Lune?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like you're not having like a deep conversation, but like, do you joke about it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you say anything or do you just always pretend like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll never happen to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just move on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm somewhere in between.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also have a Milwaukee connection, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's probable that they've hung out in some context outside of the NBA, but regardless for the purposes of this exercise, here's what I do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, it's somewhere in between.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not bringing it up because it's on my mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a maybe the seminal moment of my professional career, if not my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then on top of this now I have somebody to talk with about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also don't want to let on, you know, because I've quote unquote moved on, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm like a veteran voice on no longer the wizard, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But right, obviously I'm in a different stage of my career and it would be childish for me to bring this up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm doing it more in the context of like, oh, hey, did you see that fight last night?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like Jake Paul really punched that guy super hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like wouldn't it be crazy to get punched like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what do you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of energy and just like hope that he brings it up and then you can be then the bigger person in the room and just be like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't really think about that connection, but you're totally right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, I don't really, I don't feel the need to talk about it, but like it's a good point that you brought that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you at least know that he's thinking, that's the thing, I think, Bram, that's the thing that I really care about in the end here is I want to know that Kevon Looney thought about it and cared and maybe felt a little bit bad for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to talk about it, but I want to know that he cared.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd want to diffuse it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best case, and it's like we're all thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know it's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't, if you say nothing, it's just out there forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always going to be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you'd want some best case scenario, some passive aggressive joke that just deals with it and gets rid of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, if you're watching a fight together, someone gets hit in the face, you're hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: You drop a, oh, that reminds me of something.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, then that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't say shit and you let it go.
[SPEAKER_02]: But chances are you look for that and then fuck it up and underline it in the wrong way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, somebody gets punched and you're like, oh, that guy also got sucker punch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like something that shows that you've actually know that like you have one certain way of thinking this, you haven't moved on and I could see him just sheading the bed on that over and over at least that's what I would do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try to show someone I don't care, and then the process just shows like there's nothing I care about more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like nothing at all at all at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, to our next move, this one's rumored.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing's happened, Maxime.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, we're not even the favorites to land them, but it certainly is entertaining to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Damian Lillard, big times in Lillard's backyard here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he enters the offseason,
[SPEAKER_02]: Thirty-four years old, coming off a year where he averaged about twenty five points for a game, almost seven assists, four point three boards, and shot close to forty percent from three.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like a solid ass here, but he tears his fucking Achilles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we know for sure he's going to be out for all of next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also know
[SPEAKER_02]: that the buck still owed him a hundred and thirteen million dollars going into the offseason.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one knew how the hell Milwaukee was going to deal with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we do know they've waived him.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are screwing over Damian Miller.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to pay him a little bit more than twenty two million dollars a year for the next four years to not play basketball for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to give him more money than I will ever make in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: per season to make sure that he is not on the floor, which means Damian Lillard is a free agent, Max Amy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can join anyone he wants.
[SPEAKER_02]: He won't be playing next year, but he can still sign with a team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's the odds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's El Vegas season.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have the Miami Heat at the odds on favorite at plus two hundred.
[SPEAKER_02]: So about two to one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Portland at three to one Denver at four to one, and then you are Golden State Warriors at six to one to sign Damian Lillard.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think, man?
[SPEAKER_02]: If, uh, done leave you gave you a call.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm not sure home town kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love him, but I won't.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's coming off in a killie's injury.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should we pursue him?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it's all about the number, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You sign in for a minimum or whatever, lock them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I say sure, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we, we don't have literal pennies to spare in terms of putting a roster together.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it's not quite that simple, but I'm talking in abstraction here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, it seems like it makes more sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Generally, if we're talking about a healthy Damian Lillard Miami, it seems like
[SPEAKER_00]: He feels a position of need much more than he does on Golden State.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's much more redundant, obviously, with what Steph does.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be a huge change.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be a lot of stuff that we would need to figure out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been talking about how we need to get bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: This would be a very much getting smaller move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, talking about when he's back on the court and healthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, by the way, just as you framed it as like he screwed him over, I can't see how this is not anything but the best news for Damian Lilite.
[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like he and Janis were not quite
[SPEAKER_00]: figuring out on the court, or maybe even off the court, the way that everybody thought that it was going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so now he gets an opportunity to go to a new team, try something different.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he gets to rehab, you know, I would be nice if a team was helping him through that process, but he has enough money that he can hire whoever he needs.
[SPEAKER_00]: to help him get through it the way that he wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's obviously good enough that somebody is going to want him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody is even willing to consider just taking on his contract for the whole year when he's not going to play for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of feels like the best case scenario for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still getting his payday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, it stretched out over a few more years, but maybe that's a better thing anyways.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a great, I think it's great news.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm Damian Lillard, I'm very, very excited about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't be hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is a part of your legacy now that, you know, I mean, that's what everyone's talking about is Milwaukee is, it wants to pay you a quarter million dollars to not play for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're like, no, fuck, I mean, I get what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to pick your location.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to get additional money and presumably if you're successful, you can rehab the image.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you go on and has some kind of incredible couple of years, it's Milwaukee that we'll be laughing at.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if this happened to you, would you literally be able to see it as all upside?
[SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't be a little pissy about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm sure it would hurt me for a couple of days, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like I'm sure that if I was a starter for an NBA team, and then I got moved to the bench, it would take me a second, but like Andreig would all have did it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's there are ways that you come to understand these things, and I think it's actually a kind of a win-win for both sides, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think even if Dame comes back and has an excellent final last couple of years to his career,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I'm really going to be laughing at Milwaukee because this tied them up so dramatically if his contract wasn't waived and stretched out over five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they were hamstring and then it was starting to be like, well, maybe Yannis needs to look somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now they actually have enough movement that they might be able to put together a contending team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not necessarily saying a championship team, but a team that could convince Yannis, oh, okay, there's something happening in Milwaukee enough that I can stick around.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it really does feel like a win-win.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think over Dame seems like the type of person that
[SPEAKER_00]: has had enough and would be like, oh, okay, it's, you know, I get it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: After a little hurt, I hear you, I hear you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be unquest subjectively unquestioned hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say I have someone in my little brother, I don't know, somebody, somebody who I see all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And on Monday, when I see them, I'm still in her contract for the Milwaukee Bucks, I'm scheduled to get a hundred and thirteen million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Dame fucking Lillard.
[SPEAKER_02]: On Wednesday when I see him, I've been waived.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like I, and that's what everyone is talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I saw him, but I feel a little embarrassed and weird about it, yeah, I would.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all talking about how I've been cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do I have a chance to reframe it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, you know, fast forward a couple of years, maybe me and that kid are now talking about this is the best thing that's ever happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: But is there a portion that makes me feel vulnerable about this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But from a Golden State warrior's perspective, not a dam in the last perspective.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we're talking about a contract that pays him, ten, twelve million dollars, a Anthony Milton contract, would I be excited to do that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, I would.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on Swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's the kind of thing that might inadvertently put us back onto contender status.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it will.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's thirty four years old.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a little redundant.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not great defensively and he's coming off a major fucking injury.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we need shooters.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can shoot.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need toughness.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's from the bay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got all of these connections with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we're not talking a whole lot of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I do it, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he wants, yeah, twenty million.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if he wants a, he wants to really underline that he's still incredibly valuable, do I think they should pay that?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I guess we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what the money looks like and how they'd want to approach it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the idea of having him in a Golden State Warriors jersey is that's actually to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for no other reason that that he's from the Bay, it would be cool to see a golden situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's exactly right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and friend of the podcast, you know, I had a very embarrassing back and forth with Damian Lillard at Chase Center.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I've told this story before quick version now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a shoot around, which are different than practices.
[SPEAKER_02]: They actually happened out on the floor at Chase.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they were talking to Damian.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he was sitting where the warriors bench normally is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was pretty early on in their move over to Chase Center.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so what they were talking about is the difference of crowds.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, hey, you notice in the difference when what it used to be an Oakland and really underlining it with Millard because he's from the town.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they go through it back and forth and at the end of the shoot around people are now walking off the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I approached him.
[SPEAKER_02]: This wasn't on record.
[SPEAKER_02]: And basically said something on the lines of, look, it is different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I born and raised in Oakland.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to school at Skyline and spent my whole life going to Warriors Gange.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's definitely different.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he gave me a overtly positive response.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always good to see somebody from the town.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something like that, you know, like kind of encouraging me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But instead of just taking my fucking win and going home, I then basically stalked him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I followed him across the floor, tried to force what was a ten second interaction into a five minute conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And after the eleven second, Dane was like, you need to stop following me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you didn't say that, but it was very clear he did not need me continuing this conversation for as long as I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, if he comes back, we're best friends now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm really looking forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: tapping him back at Chase Center.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so our last move and this one is a rumor, but it seems like a pretty damn solid one.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Al Horford to the Golden State Warriors magazine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what the reporting has been is that Al is unquestionably leaving Boston.
[SPEAKER_02]: Makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Boston's already shed a bunch of sower.
[SPEAKER_02]: that he was considering two major teams, that it was down to the Lakers and to the Warriors.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now that the Lakers have signed behind Ray Hayden, it is most likely that he's hunting in Golden State, Glass-Affel.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you had asked me of all the things I thought the warriors might get during the off season, you know, more athletic, a higher salary structure, I mean, whatever it is, the thing I probably would not have said is older, the idea that like, that's what we're going to do, at least I mean, oh, there's other moves coming, but that we are getting ready to sign El Horford despite him being, I think, thirty-seven, is kind of a surprise?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's kind of a surprise?
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's see, glass have full,
[SPEAKER_02]: Championship dude definition of a sixteen game player and in fact averaged way more points than I thought also he is not thirty seven he's thirty nine years old but despite being thirty nine average twenty seven point six minutes for Boston last year I was surprised that the number was that high and was pretty productive nine points for game six rebounds for game shot about thirty six percent from three and that was on a team that had pretty high aspirations so
[SPEAKER_02]: I like what he can add to a playoff run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, sixteen game player.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how the fuck he gets us to the sixteen games though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like, I'm not sure this is the dude who helps us to the first eighty two and I assume that he's going to be
[SPEAKER_02]: a year older because that's how this shit tends to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so like I, I like the idea of adding Al Horford, but in this vacuum, we'll watching everything else happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: If this is the only thing that we add, I'm not super excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need working to need some other fucking moves here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, unequivocally for me, I'm stoked, uh, because you may remember my first job in middle school.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, um, I waited tables at an old folks home.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm, listen, man, I am primed to do that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Lake, have hit me up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will serve prune juice to Alhorford and anybody else on the retirement warriors.
[SPEAKER_00]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: You let me know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm number one candidate for this job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot to praise his gentle eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I've ever had multiple games where I really wanted to hate Al Horford.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can't stand fucking Boston, you know, and like I hated Atlanta when they were hell of good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like he and Paul Mills said, like there's been all these times where I've had real reason to dislike Al Horford.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the camera will focus in on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like,
[SPEAKER_02]: man, those are some fucking gentle as I state.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like he's such a such a likable face.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, hey, let's add that to the stats.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are incorporating.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not just nine points for game, six point two rebounds and twenty seven point six minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is also too very gentleized.
[SPEAKER_02]: So include that on the rest of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, it sounds like the gentle eye thing actually, yeah, I mean, to stretch just a little bit further as annoyed as we all were the discourse coming out of Boston potentially getting a title with Al Horford on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, everybody's like, oh, I'm just so excited for Al, like, what a great guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and when there's enough people around the league saying that, and it's like surfacing into national discourse at the point that two
[SPEAKER_00]: podcasters in Golden State are talking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that he's a very valuable presence in the locker room.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, do I want him to be our starting center as we march our way towards a sixteen game type of performance from him?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but if he's going to play back up minutes, you know, this is somebody that I think can maybe replace some of the genuine, uh, genuineness of the Kevin Looney, uh, loss.
[SPEAKER_02]: is there anything more Steve Curry than if they re-sign JK and then continue to not plan because Kurt prefers to offer.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and it's like, Horfers rebounded really well and said, and all these grades, grades, and like, we just can't check them out the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it helps us win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I can already feel the growing frustration they can come out of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me give you a little grass as greener.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a recurring theme.
[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't do shit until they understand what's going on with JK.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I accept it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's been some other moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've pulled out three moves that have been made in the last few days.
[SPEAKER_02]: They aren't necessarily the best players, but they are players who probably could have fit within that loon salary spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Loan went for about eight million.
[SPEAKER_02]: These guys are all around the eight to ten million dollars flat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to give you the name and the contract.
[SPEAKER_02]: You tell me if you wish Golden State had done it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to work my way up to the person I would have been most excited about.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So here's our first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brooke Lopez.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brooke Lopez signs a two year deal to Los Angeles Clippers at eighteen million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: So about nine million dollars per maximum thumbs up or thumbs down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you have said yes to this if we had the opportunity?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so I'm sorry, just to be clear, you're suggesting that this would be like a sign-and-trade thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, or just, they were straight free agents.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so this doesn't have any to do with loony.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just like, okay, loony went out the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the loony goes out the door free and up about eight million for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can't, we can't spend that now because we got to know where the hell is going with JK, but they could have if they wanted, they could have thrown it towards these guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: So would you have wanted to throw it towards Brook Lopez?
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no.
[SPEAKER_00]: The short answer is no.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need to belabor the point that the thing that I think is going to be thematic through all of this is there are things that we are potentially waiting on.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are potentially larger fish.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think in general we should all remind ourselves that Jimmy Butler's acquisition
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of was the beginning of our free agency period right and so there's a lot that we need to figure out because obviously he's tying up a ton of our money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's rumors that LeBron maybe doesn't want to finish his career in Los Angeles, you know, we saw how that went in the Olympics, so right maybe we need to
[SPEAKER_00]: way to round for larger moves, and I just don't think that Brooke Lopez is the type of player that we signed for two years, eighteen million, and then can be part of a trade package that's enticing to anybody to get the kind of return that we need.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just don't, I don't think it feels space.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's too old, and I think he's, you know, he's past the point at which he's going to be valuable, what's he like averaging five points and a couple rebounds a game at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that he's moving the needle for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've given us a good structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Conceptual versus actual.
[SPEAKER_02]: Conceptual, adding him, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, seven footer, can shoot, little room protection from the area, you know, played a Stanford.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nine million dollars has an terrible actual.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one that we're not getting into the CBA logistics one because I don't fucking understand them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, too, because they are my numbingly boring, but what my very loose understanding is that they're both soft and hard caps.
[SPEAKER_02]: When the cap is soft, that means you can go above it, but you're in cursing penalty.
[SPEAKER_02]: When it becomes hard, that means you very literally cannot spend more money than what the cap is, and my understanding is that if the warriors make a move now, they go from the soft to the hard cap, and they literally stop themselves from being able to make further moves down the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why they gotta figure out this JK thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the idea wise, do I look broke, Lopez?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, would I go into the hard cap for brick Lopez?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, fuck no.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I think they made the right move, not going down that similar type of player.
[SPEAKER_02]: Valin Chonis, Jonas Valin Chonis just got traded to Denver.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all they gave up was former warrior, Dario Sarek.
[SPEAKER_02]: So really, Sacramento just wanted to do not their books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jonas is scheduled to make about ten million per season.
[SPEAKER_02]: So two years, uh, twenty over the next two.
[SPEAKER_02]: So same kind of deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same kind of analysis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like idea, toughness, big dude, do we need him?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But would I, would I really stop our options now by signing him, you know, and hardcap us going to the future?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I would not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming you are the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just going to push us to the biggest name.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Andre Aighton.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Deonjray, much like Damian Lillard became a surprise for Agent Portland, bought his ass out.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are going to pay him to not play there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there was a, I don't know, forty eight hour period where his services were just
[SPEAKER_02]: out there, open and available, but no longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just signed with the Lakers and he got about eight point four million right about what Lillard, I'm sorry, right about what Lillard signed for.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Maxine, what do you think, man, would you have wanted to give DeAndre eight and an eight million dollar contract and welcome him into Golden State?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, look, I mean, he's really lost a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of hit pieces coming out about how he's like late to plane rides and not showing up to practices.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we all remember the story of him not making it to a game because he was snowed in.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, what the hell is going on after the sun's pick him number one overall.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then now he's crashing out this early in his career.
[SPEAKER_00]: What he's not like done done.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still playing quote and quote, productive minutes in the NBA, but can't seem to actually be a value near.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very strange first round pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: You either see sort of the like Darko's of the world, or you see like the LeBron's of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so in this case, or maybe Darko's the wrong example because he was number two, regardless, the point is at eight million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have seen, for example, Andrew Wiggins come from a situation where people are like, hey, there's a number one overall pick that you know isn't quite as living up to his expectations and then be basically once as a title in twenty twenty two could that happen again here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, does he feel a position of need?
[SPEAKER_00]: A sure does, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, is he going to be, is he the fast rim running type of big that would theoretically fit into the C-cur style more than the like, bruiser under, you know, slow things down?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he would be actually a perfect fit in Golden State.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really disappointing that they didn't get him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the only silver lining I have with all of that is, okay, maybe that means that there's something bigger coming, that they didn't want to cap themselves for, like you said.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that's the type of move that I would be willing to
[SPEAKER_00]: cat myself and say, okay, that's the end of our free agency for.
[SPEAKER_02]: What have done this in a heartbeat?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hardbeat.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and that's not because I think that the Andre Aiden is speeding back towards being a number one pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he is justified of the contract that they were buying them out from.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've read all those fucking stores.
[SPEAKER_02]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give it a different approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, there was a period of time when the lawyers got the people they wanted because they wanted them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you want to add to Marcus Cousins for no fucking reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be here.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to add Kevin Durant to a seventy three win team.
[SPEAKER_02]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to be here.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could pick a player.
[SPEAKER_02]: That player was just excited to be associated with Golden State.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here they would come.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not true anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not what's up.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we are not at the top of the heap.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are now in a place where we're getting a player going after a player.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're available for a reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and though the for a reason, there's always going to be a hedge.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Andreiden is the perfect example.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I get that he had effort problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get that his teammates seemingly didn't like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That he's not looking always showing up.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why he's available.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's why the lawyers can necessarily add them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have we seen Golden State turn somebody like that around?
[SPEAKER_02]: You've already mentioned them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Andrew Wiggins, you know, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it would have been guaranteed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Does he definitely help us?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could have been a problem here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he could have.
[SPEAKER_02]: But would I have been willing to spend eight million dollars and take that chance?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would because that's what we need to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to take some chances because there's nobody is going to just join us for less money anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not who we are.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to have a reason to come here too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that reason is going to be lack of interest in other places.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will have had to have burned some bridges.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: perfect example this guy's burned a few bridges yeah that you know that the flip side to that argument i think is still wiggins um for you know we we've now know Jimmy Butler actually had a lot of respect for anti-wiggins in Minnesota it was more Carl Anthony towns's behavior that caused him to take his uh sea squad and try to smoke the starters um so uh
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Wiggins is the type of person that seemed primed for a reclamation effort.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you just put him on a team that had their shit together like Golden State, he would be able to thrive with the right wall, with the right culture around him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aiden by all accounts, right, is like maybe actually more the source of the problem, more the cat end of the spectrum to go back to that Jimmy Butler example.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Golden State is a smart organization that knows how much culture matters in that locker room.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's very possibly a move pass it because they're like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's actually not worth it because it's not just about on court stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I anticipated this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to give you two words.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ready?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wasted minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what that description is?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know that nickname from Flip Sonders.
[SPEAKER_02]: Late Flip Sonders.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it referred to Andrew Wiggins.
[SPEAKER_02]: After Andrew Wiggins went number one,
[SPEAKER_02]: after he played multiple seasons in Minnesota when they asked flip-sanders.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, what do you think, dude?
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy wants a fucking max.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what would you do?
[SPEAKER_02]: His description of him was wasted minutes that he'd be out there for thirty minutes a game and you couldn't fucking tell.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no rebounds, the stats didn't show it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That guy then became the second best player in a finals.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think he outplayed Tatum and that was infrastructure and that was, you know, I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: credit to Wiggins, he turns shit around.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there are some pretty nasty stories about Wiggins, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now I hope it snows in fucking Los Angeles, and he doesn't come to the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or that's just true.
[SPEAKER_02]: But was I willing to fucking risk it, sure?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see where it goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am now very much hoping that all of these rumors are actually just the tip of the iceberg and that he really tank that whole franchise gets fuck away.
[SPEAKER_02]: eight and going up to Luca Donchish, I'm like, oh, let's just start eating burgers every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is my fucking, I don't know why, like I have no idea why they give you shit about your being a shit dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, come K with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're doing great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, don't you worry about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's a bunch of shit like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be fucking fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Trojan horse, Lucas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hold summer and now he's a fat again three months in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that'd be incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: just footage of like him showing up with like cheese steak at his house every day like oh here like that's let's fucking party at a little sex bag let's see where it goes uh to our last segment and probably the one I've been looking forward to the most all right so it's Jasmine theater um and let me set it up this way
[SPEAKER_02]: Malik Beesley, he who had one hell of a season was in the conversation for six men of the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Beat the shit out of us a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I think he had a game winner a couple of years ago before Detroit made their big Renaissance and then was a big part of why Detroit had such a huge year this last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So much so my same year was getting ready to sign a forty million dollar contract and then the Fed stepped in.
[SPEAKER_02]: No actual accusations as of yet, but the FBI is investigating Malik Beesley for possibly gambling on games that he was involved in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, there's a bunch of sites out there now that let you essentially make profits.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can bet on specific players' stats.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for example, if I wanted to bet on whether or not Malik Beesley would have more or less than six and a half rebounds way back in January of twenty twenty four, I could have made that bet and it turns out that there was a huge amount of money that was bet on that specifically a surprising amount so much so that they're looking into whether or not Malik Beesley may have bet on himself to be fair to this by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, I'll just let Milwaukee Journal Sentinel describe it for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is from their story on this investigation, quote, the scope of Beesley's gambling isn't yet clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has been reported of one instance of unusually high volume betting during a January, thirty first, twenty twenty four game against Portland.
[SPEAKER_02]: The odds of measly grabbing fewer than two and a half rebounds shortened dramatically because of a surge of action.
[SPEAKER_02]: He finished with six rebounds, meaning the unusual volume of bets were losing bets.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just to point out what it sounds like they're saying is they think that measly bet on himself to have less rebounds, less than two and a half rebounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he went out and he fucking lost the betty.
[SPEAKER_02]: He somehow grabbed more rebounds than he was gambling, not which is.
[SPEAKER_02]: wild and a story of an himself, but so he has been investigated for insider knowledge that he may or may not have been on himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: My judgment theater to you have you ever benefited from insider knowledge, Maxine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not, you know, stock shit, not that you had some information that you used to bet, although that would count.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever had access to info that other people didn't that you took advantage of in some way?
[SPEAKER_02]: I will go first.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can guess, what do you think, man?
[SPEAKER_02]: Have I ever benefited from an insider knowledge situation?
[SPEAKER_00]: We need the stakes to matter here, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like it's possible, you know, in middle school, you found out that actually like one line had pizza and the other one didn't, and you went to that line first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like yeah, okay, you got pizza and a lot of people didn't because they went to the wrong line.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like those aren't the type of stakes that we're talking about here, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think everybody has had some opportunity to take advantage of information.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just a human condition.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had to do it publicly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had to have impacted other people in some way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, if I saw that, you know, I told everybody, oh, go wait in that other line.
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard that that one's going kind of fast, you know, like some bullshit knowing secretly that it would be the second line that would get me the pizza.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would guess, so, for your job, first of all, no, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think you are highly ethical, and I mean, come on, you're a lawyer, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like lawyers are basically like beaten into believing in the value of the law above all else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, right, comparing Malik B'sly doing this for his job, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, you've not done that.
[SPEAKER_00]: In your personal life?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, I mean, come on, that's obvious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, just like, everywhere I know, it's like, no, the law, man, the fuck near, right, go watch,
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the breaking bad precursor?
[SPEAKER_00]: Better call Saul right and it's just like his brother incarnate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, no worries there, but I do think like something around like maybe your your personal life or family that benefited not just you, but your family overall and sort of you know, yeah, to step on some people to get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a possibility.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have I ever done that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course I have, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's see, most recent example, this is during last season.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to keep the person's name out, but I was out of friend's house.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were watching a warrior's game a late we had it taped and someone texted me Who was from the future because they had watched the game and they let me know the warriors are gonna lose and at that time in my you know where we were in that game Where's a rep pretty big and so I looked at it and played it now I looked back on this now I'm a little embarrassed about it played it to my advantage like I didn't say anything immediately But the warriors had some turnover.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're up like I don't know fifteen sixteen and I was like oh
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we might lose this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I continue to press that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll continue to press it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then by the end, when they lost, and everyone was like, oh my God dude, you know, this team's so well, I definitely didn't talk them out of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just did a bunch of like knowing nods.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I was kind of disappointed that it happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, I saw a comment and it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like have I taken some inside of knowledge and benefited?
[SPEAKER_02]: But yes, I have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm absolutely, um, to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I am like over nineteen, the last time it's guessing with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's always like I'm close.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's some caveat that means I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: My guess here, I'm going to say yes, but I think I'm just projecting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying yes because I think anybody would.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think I'm thinking that to make myself feel better, you know, having to apparently lie to my friends to make it seem like I really knew the Golden State Warriors.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm hoping the answer for you is yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my guess is yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the truth?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, my guess is yes, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was hoping by this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would come up with something concrete, but hearing your story that just resonated so deeply that if I was given the opportunity, I definitely would have and I think the fact that I can't come up with anything particular is almost more of an indication that in fact I have done that because I'm like, well, yeah, of course I would do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you kids, so nothing comes to mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's no, there's no like guilt inducing story.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You fucked over somebody that, uh, I fucked over my be a little strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that you took advantage of some information that other people didn't have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, see, this is, I think, I think now the benefit of judgment theaters is that you get a peak into somebody's psyche.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I'm just like so clearly content with myself that I'm
[SPEAKER_00]: able to just move past the guilt around that, which is, it's a personality flaw, Bram.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm being real honest with you right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm overinflated sets of self.
[SPEAKER_02]: As you're saying that, I've come up with like seven other examples where I've done this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm just, I just have a bad memory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's really the problem here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will not share any of these other fucking seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can back yourself until you have shared something with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see where it goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll see where this thing plays out, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am hopeful that the next time we record will at least have some sense of where the JK thing goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it just feels so open-ended.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here, leave us with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Over under thirty million, what do you think is contract lands?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think under, I think the second apron situation has cooled the market off pretty dramatically, and I feel like I can't think of them off the top of my head, but there are players that I think are slightly more mariting of that number that didn't quite get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's also right shout out to Ben T and the comments asking about the rumors for coming into Sacramento and what we would want to get in return, which, first of all, is just hilarious because it's like, come on Sacramento.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you'll just take anything that came from Golden State because you think it's touched with gold.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as far as you're concerned, it is because what a sorry fucking franchise up there in Sacramento.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, what I want anything in return from them?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's anything enticing enough that would be an equivalent return.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it seems at this point, you know, obviously we tend to make it a qualifying offer, which is just power reagency starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it does seem as though he's not getting much in the open market by way of, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, a larger number than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's an indication that Golden State won't need to spend that either.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're locking him up for somewhere closer to twenty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's use Ben T's suggestion and Sacramento is kind of a barometer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When when the offseason first started,
[SPEAKER_02]: There were suggestions, light rumors, maybe a subonus would be available.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe Jake, hey, could be the centerpiece of something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now when you look, it's not subonus are talking about it's Malik Montgomery and his eighteen million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that kind of shows where Jake K's value has slid to now that we're seeing all the other contracts that are being handed out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So over under thirty million, I take the under.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's looking
[SPEAKER_02]: twenty five twenty four twenty five and then would I trade J. K. right now for Malik monk no and I have Malik monk is a score and a guy who has had big buckets against us in big scenarios I've come to hate his very smug face but I still have
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still holding out on JKs like all star pedigree that might be ludicrous.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might be the last person who thinks he actually has it, but am I willing to give on or give up on that now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this early for League Magno.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let this play out a little bit further before we are an bargain basement dealing him on my outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, let's see where this goes.
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