[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with quark decks and their good friends Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely and it's thank you Garrett I hadn't realized our names were song lyrics but they are
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Delta Flare's podcast, The Musical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Armin, how are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Congratulations on your play extension.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we open again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably in, let's see, a late September.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know which theater it's at.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're in negotiations with the theater, but our play did so well and lasted very shortly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even ran for about two and a half weeks to three, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And people kept saying, you've got to do this somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to do this somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I decided to help them move it to someplace else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the four of us will be doing it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if anyone's in Los Angeles in late September, please look us up and come to see the play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone has come to see the play really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people said, oh my God, it's closed already.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to reopen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was such a quick run.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was not able to see it, but I told Katie,
[SPEAKER_01]: when you guys come back, I'm going to put it on my calendar and I really want to come out and see you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're all doing Irish accents.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did you do it?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I want to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not a deep play, but it's a play that in these bizarre strange horrible times, people take solace and comfort in because it's very comforting.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very comforting.
[SPEAKER_03]: We should go watch it together, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be great.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be great.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, we've had quite a few of our listeners, our Delta Flyers listeners come to watch your play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Forgive me, uh, I was surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the Patriarch of people was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Patriotic people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Patriotic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Patriarch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, I didn't recognize her right off the one she said her name.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went, of course, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: She had brought, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: a couple of people wither and they couldn't have been nicer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if any of them went out there wants to talk to Rosemallow for Rosemallow for many photos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's all that came to Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rosemallow is one of many who came to come see you in support.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I may thank you to all those who came and for all those who thought about coming, I really do appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope you had a good time as you told me you did have.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hear nothing but great dance.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait for the for the relaunch.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the return of the play will be exciting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they've reported it to us because Robbie and I both do our separate admiral Zoom calls and they're always saying, oh, we wouldn't saw our play was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, people had a great time.
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got a couple birthdays.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: This week we're going to wish a happy birthday to Jenny B on August sixth happy birthday, Jenny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jenny B happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Jenny.
[SPEAKER_03]: And next up, we have Preston M on August ninth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday to Preston M. Preston M. Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Preston have a great birthday on August ninth.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I did a series, by the way, that was titled Home Front.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was, it was in the nineteen fort, set in the nineteen forties, half right after World War II ended and all the soldiers coming home to a small town.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a fun, fun series, lasted a couple of years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, this episode, Home Front, here's some poetry.
[SPEAKER_01]: The wormhole keeps opening like a revolving door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Earth has a changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: They certainly can't ignore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Knox school's not going well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph is stubborn as hell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Earth had better get ready for a war.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And topical.
[SPEAKER_03]: It topical, but you have me going.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were actually when you started talking about home front, the series that you did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought you were going to break off a home front, the series, Limerick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're about to go into now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, let me tell you about the show in a Limerick form, armen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: My high coup for home front.
[SPEAKER_03]: The changelings reach earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Siskodo heads to San Fran.
[SPEAKER_03]: Joseph's one tough nut.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just Kodo.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just goes very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because the other way would have been odd code, which is not as good, right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: That sounds like pet code and it's just it's two corporate sounds.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just Kodo could be like Komodo dragons.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be the high point of today's episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have an etymology lesson for us?
[SPEAKER_00]: I do, it's slightly different from me because it's not, I usually do the words that are in the title, but I decided home front was just, you know, who cared, who cared?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I picked another word, changeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, changeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I loved that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was this go to, but no, it's changeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's how I should do that next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, changeling is one given to change a fickle or in-constant person, a waiver, turn coat, ran a gate,
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was originally used.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the important part for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was originally used in fifteen-fifty-five.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at that time, changeling wasn't spelled the way, well, nothing was spelled the way we know it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was spelled C-H-A-U-N-G-E.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa!
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how our language and spelling has changed over the course of several hundred years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you in there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, changeling, changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: a turncoat, interesting, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love etymology, especially anything that lands between like, fifteen hundred and eighteen hundred.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those three hundred years to me are just
[SPEAKER_00]: Languages always morphing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to show off here in the fourteen hundreds, for instance, English language, English language, sounded like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: When that opera with the shortest word of the Druphti march, it pairs into the rotha and every lane in switch decor, of which bear to Azure Dora, which is the first couple of lines of Canberra tales.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's only a hundred years before Shakespeare.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's evolved.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a hundred years later, it was the language that we read now with a different accent than we expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, very.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the pronunciation and the influence were all different.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing to think about how a language can change in a enormously short period of time, a hundred years, to go from when I just sounded like what I just said.
[SPEAKER_00]: to Shakespeare when people call Shakespeare old English, like I'm no, no, no, no, no, it's modern English.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who wrote this?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is written by Iris Steven Bear and Robert Hewitt Wolf.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love them both.
[SPEAKER_03]: We love them both.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two forest animals wolf and bear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, wolf and bears.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Were you right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But Wolf and Bear to me sounds like an LA law firm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Directed by David Livingston, guest starring of course, Aaron Eisenberg is Nog, Robert Foxworth as Layton, Mr. Foxworth was also in Star Trek Enterprise for season episodes the forge Awakening and Kirshara.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Foxworth had initially auditioned for the role of
[SPEAKER_03]: Garana Gar in Hippocratic Oath, which we've never reviewed, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was probably where he caught the eye of casting and then they said, hey, maybe we'll bring him in for this role of Layton, and so he finally got this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Robert Fox Fox work.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know him from other stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Robert Foxworth is one of American, American theaters great actors and probably worked with Renee at ACT for many years.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a extraordinary actor and has worked all around the country.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably has been on Broadway several times.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have great reverence for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy to say his son Boe and I are good friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only my friends, but not like the way Boe and I are.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he is a extraordinary theater actor, extraordinary theater actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's some of his Broadway credits, just a few August, Osage County, back in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in,
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... honor of an off candida love letters the crucible in king Henry the fifth all on broadway broadway production and it did a ton of work at the sandy agoglow theater of which is a Shakespeare festival in a very illustrious theater all over the country
[SPEAKER_01]: His wife was Elizabeth Montgomery.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I did know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you work with Robert?
[SPEAKER_03]: Robbie M. Did you work?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never did work with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was aware of him as a theater actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: That name and the theater in New York back when I wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: was a very prestigious name.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a theater heavyweight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did work with him in Ironically, Twelve Angry Men.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did a recording of Twelve Angry Men and he surprised his role.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I worked with him on a cartoon series as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: What seriously get the America and I can't remember which episode that we were there together on the day recording our voices.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next up we have Susan Gibney as Ben teen Susan played Lea Brahms in Star Trek the next generation, third and fourth season episodes, booby trapped in galaxies child and also reprised her role of Lea
[SPEAKER_03]: Leo Brahms on, I guess Star Trek Lower Decks season three episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: So some Star Trek exposure here for Ms.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gibney.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did she audition for Captain Janeway?
[SPEAKER_03]: You have a feeling she did?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, strong feeling that she was one of the two or three actresses that actually came into the screen test.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds familiar.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would have been before this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, we have Brock Peters playing Benjamin Cisco's father Joseph Cisco.
[SPEAKER_03]: Brock also played Admiral Cartwright is Star Trek four.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just realized yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Voyage home.
[SPEAKER_03]: and Star Trek six, the undiscovered country.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he has played, this is, that's very interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: He, that he's played the Admiral, and he's also playing the father because he's not an alien Admiral.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm saying, so it's his regular face.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now they use his regular face here as the father as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's could be a little confusing for fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Brock was very sick when he was shooting this episode out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see in the episode that he, that he's, he did look.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the writers are aware of that, so they included that in the dialogue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, a legend as an actor, a legend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he did a great job in Star Trek IV and also six, I felt.
[SPEAKER_03]: Next up, we have Herschel Sparber as Josh Inno, the president of the Federation, residing in an office in Paris, France.
[SPEAKER_00]: As I said before, a Herschel and Renee were together for two years in a Broadway show called City of Angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was a partner of my good friend, Ray Sypho.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were young and young.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was Ray's very short.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hershel is what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: Six foot nine and three hundred pounds.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Big guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the comedy of, yeah, the big guy and the little guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: My classic.
[SPEAKER_00]: My Jeff.
[SPEAKER_01]: My Jeff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: City of Angels is a great musical, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of a gum shoe story of a detective and
[SPEAKER_00]: film noir style.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it ran for two years and I hercial in Renee and Ray of work the full two years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw city of angels back when I was doing this all my children back in those days and
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great musical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Notten.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think James Notten was the lead.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the detective.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw Donna Murphy who took over in city of angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the performance that I saw was with Donna Murphy because Donna was a recurring on all my children at the time when I was doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a start track connection to city of angels with Renee and Donna Murphy were both in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Both of you have seen a plethora of Broadway musicals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are there any musicals that either of you have not seen that you're like, oh my gosh, I need to see.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fill in the blank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Matilda.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen Matilda.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, both of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to see that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've never seen a lay miss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good musical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really good musical.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see the musical runaways back in the late seventies.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a musical that Liz Swaydos developed with a bunch of young actors playing runaway kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I never got to chance to see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to see it run away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did that come out of the public theater, do you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: It did.
[SPEAKER_01]: It came out of the public, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a co-star.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have Dylan Chalphi as the head officer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is it for our lineup.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you watch this episode closely, you will see my stand-in, my good friend, David Levinson, appearing without makeup, as the waiter in Brock's restaurant, constantly is just there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because I remember the waiter and I remember having a moment where I'm like, the waiter looks familiar.
[SPEAKER_01]: It must have been because it's her standard and I've seen him in life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they finally gave him some some lines, but and the character's name was broik.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's David just bushing tables.
[SPEAKER_03]: How excited was David knowing he did not have to put on any latex.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike, good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would certainly have been.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure, for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, a little bit of trivia.
[SPEAKER_03]: The idea to have Starfleet personnel attempt a military coup was inspired by the nineteen sixty-four John Frankenheimer film seven days in May.
[SPEAKER_03]: This episode was originally supposed to be the finale of the third season of DS nine with Paradise Lost being the opening of the fourth season, but towards the end of season three,
[SPEAKER_03]: The big wigs of paramount said that they did not want to cliffhanger finale.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they opted to do something a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so the finale was actually the episode, the adversary, which allowed the producers to sort of give them alternative directions to come into the new season.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there was a change.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm bring orphan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot of morphing in this episode, which I just really surprised by because I know how expensive that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's just I think I've never seen an episode with this much more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there is a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if they got the costs down after they started doing it in a number of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it became less like the first the pilot episode those early episodes were super expensive, but then they start to find
[SPEAKER_01]: Worker rounds or cheaper solutions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's dive into the pot of hand front.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We start off on the promenade.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see that the wormhole sort of angelating opening, closing, opening, closing.
[SPEAKER_01]: of camera pans over, and we see that Cisco and Dax are there watching, they're the crowd watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Open and close, but there's no ships coming through.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing triggering it that they can see.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dax fills Cisco in on
[SPEAKER_01]: What's been going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the seventh time in the last two hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a nice walk and talk where they talk.
[SPEAKER_01]: So immediately I was, I was out of the gate, try to guess the director because we don't see the director's name until after the credits.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, who directed?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who do you think it was?
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it, it looked like a Rick Colby kind of move at the top, but I knew that Rick just directed the previous episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he's red.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it turned out it was David Livingston, but David did a great job.
[SPEAKER_01]: This whole opening was kind of a wonder that took us until they see Odo stepping through an airlock and then Dax kind of laughs.
[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks something's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she goes like, what's so funny?
[SPEAKER_01]: She goes, I don't know nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we know that there's something between Dax and Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, right off the top of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, uh, Worf calls from Ops.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a Starfleet priority message.
[SPEAKER_01]: This goes gotta come right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ops, Cisco goes and Dax is, she looks very mischievous here today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I like the storyline of the furniture and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't really go anywhere, but it was funny to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But where did I come from though?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's Michael.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I knew that I saw Armingo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Makes no sense, but it's a funny comic bit to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hilarious, because she's moving it by centimeters and Odo's so angry.
[SPEAKER_03]: But again, we have no clue that no, I would.
[SPEAKER_03]: When did she start teasing him like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my question.
[SPEAKER_00]: And why?
[SPEAKER_01]: And what does she get out of it?
[SPEAKER_01]: What does she get out of it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and corks seems to be in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we go to corks next.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: we start with quark and mourned in the tightest two shot I've ever seen the two of them in but it was funny it was very funny because you finish a joke and then the endurance says that's not my antenna and you wait for a reaction from mourn and mourn's deadpan because obviously the makeup doesn't move there's no expression but you see his eyes just sort of go
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's thinking it was a very funny good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: So far, I thought we were going to watch a comedy between the DAX moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's going to meet a episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: But so the whole thing of the wormhole opening closing, that didn't trigger you at all, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't think anything to Ferris was happening at that point at all, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because the pejorn started with something spiritual, like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Offets are doing something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought it was a natural phenomenon that we were going to discover some sciencey kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and the wormholes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did go to the thought I was like, is it opening?
[SPEAKER_03]: And is something clubbed coming through?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I was thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just like, why would it open?
[SPEAKER_03]: But we're not seeing anything, but maybe there is something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know's my first thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you thought that, then why didn't Cisco and DAX think that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think someone should have said something very it like that's just so random that's never happened before.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's all and they're already on high alert for the dominion to as is so this is something that they should be looking for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not very smart of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have the script of this show in front of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just changing the topic a little.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could be going back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Odo starts a cajol and quark about the moving of his furniture, there's a stage direction here that I think is very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: More knows this is bad news in existence.
[SPEAKER_00]: which he doesn't by the way, David didn't have him exit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I rarely saw those kind of notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And think about it, a good, better and different mark was a background performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the idea that you have a text telling what a background performance thinking and doing is rare is very rare.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a big difference
[SPEAKER_01]: on these issues in Canada with the UBCP, the union in British Columbia.
[SPEAKER_01]: And their rules basically say if a background actor is named in the script, then that's a principal actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the background actor interacts with a principal actor in a way that furtheres the storyline in any way or the action,
[SPEAKER_01]: then that is an actor, not a background actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so often we have to be very careful integrating background actors into our scenes because if we cross over those lines, even if they're not named, like that would have been an automatic, more
[SPEAKER_01]: described in the script would have been an automatic upgrade without any lines he would have automatically been as you said it's an immense close-up to shot between us to actors even if he hadn't been named that would have triggered an upgrade for more and so yeah I wish that some of as difficult as it is sometimes as a producer director up there we're always walking in egg shells around these things with the background actors trying to make it natural but not upgrade anybody not feature them in any way
[SPEAKER_01]: so that we don't have to pay the money we didn't budget for, but it's fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like they've got a rule up there in a way that handles that situation very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have a precedent on our show, which I told Mark Shepherd many times, listen, so the precedent was, tiny wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiny wrong plays may her do, never set a word.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet got guest start building.
[SPEAKER_00]: You never said it worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: As far as I know, there's no action figure doll of Mayheart, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there is an action figure doll of more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have been in the Union, Armin, a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've all been in the Union.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just served on the news.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you've been active more active than Garrett or I. In British Columbia, the actress grieve all the time through the Union.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go to the Union.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get calls literally every other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting calls about grievances.
[SPEAKER_01]: mostly from background actors wanting upgrades.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was the union, you know, leveraged in any way by Mark or any of these actors?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Mark never took advantage of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll have to ask Mark why I have my suppositions, but can't be sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, screen actors killed when it was then screen actors killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: used to get calls from background people as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, it might be slightly different in the United States versus Canada.
[SPEAKER_00]: The United States, there was a separate background actors.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was screen actors.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when they went to funk, we, this screen actors guild took on the members of the funk background.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so,
[SPEAKER_00]: They've probably were rules set up early on in films and early TV because the background actors had some sway and they could ask for certain things or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's true in Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if there was ever a separate union.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Odo comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's yelling at Quark seems in on this joke that Dax is doing to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He seems definitely in on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was very mad because his furniture is moved two or three centimeters.
[SPEAKER_01]: He grew upset about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he's a little type-ay.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks Dax does it while he's regenerating and his bucket.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that means she breaks into his quarters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which again.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's possible she got help from Quark who can pick a lock, but she is breaking into his quarters and moving things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind the moving things.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the breaking into the quarters that gives me pause.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does anyone ever break into someone's trailer and do something on our own?
[SPEAKER_00]: Come and took my teeth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm not told you this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, you did.
[SPEAKER_01]: You did mention this once before someone broke it took the teeth.
[SPEAKER_03]: I told you that I spent the night in the trailer a lot and then one night a security guard walked right in.
[SPEAKER_03]: She walked in as if she'd gone in there a hundred times before and when she saw me lying there, she was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm just trying to sleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just doing my rounds.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, doing your what?
[SPEAKER_03]: You go into each trailer to go do your rounds.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then I started thinking, is she been taking a nap in here?
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been pushing her teeth with my toothbrush.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had no clue.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was really freaked out by that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Odo and Quark are discussing rearranging furniture, Cisco calls and calls Odo and they need Odo to come to ops ASAP.
[SPEAKER_01]: So off he goes when we get to ops in there in the middle of a discussion, twenty seven people were just killed by a bomb.
[SPEAKER_01]: at a conference, including a fully and observer.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very sober kind of tone in this meeting.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're very much in shock, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has never happened at a Federation conference like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twenty-seven people killed, Odo arrives, and then Worf shows this slow motion enhancement of a vase.
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of shapeshifting into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of many morphs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the first morphs.
[SPEAKER_03]: So changelings are impervious to bombs now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: How did the change we get out of there?
[SPEAKER_03]: That thing went off with the changeling in the same room, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seems like the changeling would be dead unless he was changing so fast that he got out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: It exploded mid-change.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unless this is because they said this is a bomb of unknown origin like they don't know what type of bomb it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe it's a bomb that doesn't affect, you know, maybe change things are somehow impervious to this type of technology or this type of bomb, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nothing like this has happened in over a hundred years.
[SPEAKER_01]: A exact quote from the script is an unknown composition.
[SPEAKER_03]: A unknown composition of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: that went off at this conference in Antwerp, Belgium.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is the place where it's?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Cisco says the changelings have reached Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is not good news.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a lovely racking shot, David gave us.
[SPEAKER_00]: He went from a two shot of Renee, a Voto and Cisco and racks into a good one of Cisco.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, David shoots really good looking episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They always look good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the one saving grace after seventy five takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always looks good.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Odo's quarters and Dax is arranging Odo's sculptural furniture.
[SPEAKER_01]: being instructed by Odo and how to move it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, the shots were cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking through that foreground stuff, all the sculpture, the low angles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco and Odo, we learn her headed to Earth and he does not want DAX coming in his quarters while he's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very angry at her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you guys will have to educate me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this the first mention of the shuttlecraft called Lakota?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, because I don't remember any of the shuttlecrafts having a name, but I could have missed that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were always rivers, weren't they?
[SPEAKER_03]: You come out to run about shuttlecraft, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we lost one in the last episode, the Ornoco blew up entirely, so they have to replace that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Lakota is the replacement for the Ornoco.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Oranoco and Lakota are those river names because they were always using rivers before.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lakota is the language of the Sioux nation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe the Lakota is also a river.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always interested in the names of these runabouts.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed to be a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like us.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had
[SPEAKER_01]: We had what two shuttlecrafters, but you couldn't replace yours.
[SPEAKER_03]: We had, I think we counted it was a dozens of shows that were blown up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, we replicated more I guess, but we didn't name them cool names.
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't have any cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No cool name.
[SPEAKER_03]: We should start doing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We should go back and start naming them just to give them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, just so.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Cisco's quarters next and Cisco's talking to his dad on a video call there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brock's dad's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph is very excited to see him and Jake.
[SPEAKER_01]: They talk about his sister a little bit with a bad cook.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know did we know that Cisco had a sister before this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: They talk about a brother, I think, but I don't recall hearing about a sister actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the first time I clocked that there was a sister.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the name was Judith.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is definitely the most if if it's ever been implied or reference that a sister.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the most we've ever heard about for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't help thinking that they named her after Renee's wife, but because the members, everybody else I would call Judy, but I never called Judith.
[SPEAKER_00]: Judith.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they talk about the sister and then Cisco reminds his dad, you know, I'm here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be traveling for work.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his dad's like, I don't care we do during the day as long as you're home for home cook meals at night.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they discuss his dad's health.
[SPEAKER_01]: And clearly that's an issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Cisco's worried about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He talks about he's gotten some new organ and pretty soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: All his organs are gonna be brand new.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's
[SPEAKER_01]: He clearly had some health problems and Cisco's concerned.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Brock looks ill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's just my knowing that he passed away.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he looks ill to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He really does look ill in the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he was playing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe they made him up in a way that, you know, amplified that storyline.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's my little nitpick.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, here they are talking about, you know, you need to go see the doctor.
[SPEAKER_03]: You haven't seen them in this long.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a very contemporary in terms of our time type of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Go see the go see the doctor.
[SPEAKER_03]: You put it up for so long.
[SPEAKER_03]: But in four hundred years in the future, everyone has a try quarter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone has stuff that can do, measure themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can analyze themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't have to even go to a doctor, practically.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just very funny to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw like later on Cisco's gonna say I talked to your doctor when he gets really mad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought he could have talked to his doctor from the stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be silly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to come all the way to earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but it was a long distance call.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys, yes, you do want to spend the money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know Verizon adds an extra surcharge for subspace calls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well Jake comes back in and he says Dad, did you tell him that we're gonna be staying in San Francisco?
[SPEAKER_01]: I like every did a little like he touches his cheek.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have a problem with average performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think he was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was all over the place to me, but that's kind of par for the course.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like often he's a bit all over the place.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's entertaining to watch, but sometimes it's not on story.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have a choice about which take they take either.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's David Livingston.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there were a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: It fits the, it fits the, forgive me, David.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if it's the twenty of take,
[SPEAKER_00]: Avery at this point doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't even remember what the scene's about at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're such a mush.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did it ever happen where a number one of the calls sheet isn't negotiated that they actually get to say have a say in the edit where they can say like this is the final take.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the take we're going to use.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that ever happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the studio owns the show so there's no actor and a care if it's you know Tom Cruise they don't get to they don't think so okay certainly not in television there's no actor I know who would have the final final say but they could be a producer on the show and they could have an opinion a strong opinion and
[SPEAKER_01]: for the good of the health of the show, the producers in Syria may defer to that actor, even if they disagree, because they don't wanna engage the conflict.
[SPEAKER_03]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I was gonna say about this storyline, it did feel disjointed to me and uneven from Avery, and it surprises me because it is a family story.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for those stories, I've always felt like Avery really focused in, and in this time he didn't, for me,
[SPEAKER_01]: Some, there were moments, and then all of a sudden they'd go off in a different direction, or it would, it was very inconsistent to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I saw in the relationship between him and Joseph, between Sussan.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were times when he was connected, but there were great swaths of time when it didn't seem connected.
[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go back to quarks, we see Pishir and Mosul Brian coming down the stairs in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bomber jackets, their World War II, RAF pilots, uniforms, and they're speaking in like old RAF British accents as well, which I found entertaining, but I always have a problem when you're playing a character who's not an actor, and suddenly the actors playing these characters start
[SPEAKER_01]: being good actors and acting like RAF, they suddenly can do accents, and they can play characters and get into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That always bumps me a little.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's entertaining, but I feel like I'm watching column and Sid do something rather than Bashir, who's a doctor, and Miles, who's an engineer, just be an engineer and a doctor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but they're also having fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm so envious because they were allowed to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the OTNG, they were allowed to do accents.
[SPEAKER_03]: When we did Fairhaven and I requested, can I do an Irish accent?
[SPEAKER_03]: They said no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the right choice though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Harry Kim is someone who's an actor who can, we don't know how to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be a character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like, you know, call him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Call him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is a great actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: A wonderful actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Miles O'Brien isn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a every man.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a blue collar guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to suddenly you have the skill to do accents and take on emotional attitudes, it feels.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say they looked.
[SPEAKER_03]: They look great in that wardrobe.
[SPEAKER_03]: They did a good good job.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bob Blackman, then making them look so authentic.
[SPEAKER_01]: You like.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's your style.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was so scarf there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just loved it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Looks so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they order some drinks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learned they're very sad about Clive.
[SPEAKER_01]: what's wrong with you guys and then they make a toast to climb and they start to throw their glasses and I very good timing and performances in the
[SPEAKER_01]: Just as the glasses are about to get thrown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quarks like, don't do the glasses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark stops them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say that maybe this is about Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to help.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the only time in Deep Space Nine history where those two listen to Quark.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the only time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Quark tells them this whole story about the furring and ours financial collapse.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I actually jumping ahead way ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this plays in very well with the theme of the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait to hear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is absolutely the theme of the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I love your monologue about spring and arts financial collapse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's part of the theme too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You delivered it very sincere and the honesty and authenticity that you delivered
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of a comic premise in a way.
[SPEAKER_01]: The metaphor of a financial collapse and a catastrophic world of war potentially in Earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was possibly one of those times when the writers wanted me to do something else and I disappointed them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm happy with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad I'm glad I think you made it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that's what the writers want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they wanted you to lean into the absurdity of his
[SPEAKER_01]: I can imagine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you made the right choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you leaned back instead of in.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they did they let you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, never, never during the seven years did they ever let me know that they had quams about my choices.
[SPEAKER_00]: But after the show was over and my relationship with Ira blossomed, he let me know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have read some articles as well, where he said, um, Armand didn't always do what we hoped they
[SPEAKER_00]: And I responded to Ira by saying, if you had been on the set and told me what you wanted, I probably could have played it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in this case, I'm very happy with what I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: They see Odo, a Brian calls out to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: They run out of the promenade, a Brian wants Odo to stop by and visit his folks in Dublin.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not in the script.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you read what's in his grave?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that Columns family is from Dublin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you start from the top of the scene?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that, is that the same?
[SPEAKER_00]: I take it the battle of Britain has been won yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, there's a spitfire with your name on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just jumping ahead to where this is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a Christ placed in the squad or somewhere I doubt it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, oh, to do me favor.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you get a chance, drop by and visit my folks in Colarning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a recall.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm changed it to Dublin.
[SPEAKER_00]: or I don't have the golden rod pages where they change the Dublin.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in this script, which is white pages and blue pages and pink pages, it's Colourney.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet he changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet he said, what's the difference?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I want to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a little, you know, shout out to his friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Colourney is very proud of his Irish heritage.
[SPEAKER_00]: When they try to lean into something comedic about Ireland or Irish people,
[SPEAKER_00]: or the folklore stereotypes stereotype.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would put his foot down and he had the cachet to say to get them to change it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we all did, but he used it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oto says he'll try to stop by Dublin and he asked Bashir anything you want me to do and Bashir says no, he just wishes he was coming with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Oto mentions here, he doesn't think the humans are going to like seeing him on earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're not going to be too welcoming to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But be sure in miles, wish him luck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we learn here, Oto says he doesn't believe in luck.
[SPEAKER_01]: He appreciates the sentiment, but I don't believe in luck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he heads off through the airlock.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cut out to a
[SPEAKER_01]: a establishing shot, I think of the of the station and then into ops, they say the Lakota is on its way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's departed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we also learned the wormhole has not opened in the last twelve hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's disappointing.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was hoping that it would, they would have discovered it was the prophets.
[SPEAKER_01]: She'd hoped it was a religious thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Warf says he prefers the Klingon gods because they're all dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: More troubled than they were worth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that comment that counterpoint with the
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the spirituality of Kira in that moment, and it's a worse perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think it's part and parcel of the theme of the episode, which is a secret character to get to the end of this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think they were aware of what they were doing, and this is just a cultural difference between all three of them, between a human, a bejoin, and a queen of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just that simple little one line from war to me is just so funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just our gods are dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ancient cling-on warriors slew them a millennia ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the actual cling-ons killed their own gods to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's very funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because everyone else says, yes, our gods who ruled millennia ago, they're long gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all they say.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't talk about how they died, but the cling-on gods were killed by cling-ons, which is
[SPEAKER_01]: Well in a way, like the word gods, you could have a lot of people thought kings were gods.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: The king.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would definitely thought of his deputy of gods.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Deputies of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all through Shakespeare.
[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually, most kings met their demise when people thought they were more troubled than they were weren't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, move it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Starfleet headquarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a nice establishing shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a question about that establishing shot not a complaint just a genuine question.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have
[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty-fourth century architecture and building that I think we've seen before.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do they incorporate the present day background actors into that shot?
[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at it and when, how do they do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: How do they incorporate live actors into what must have been a green screen shot?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know exactly how they did that particular shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: My guess is they went to the water reclamation plant
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think that's an actual architecture place.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think they may have taken part of some architecture like one little water building off to the corner of the frame and shot a really wide shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just like you would take scissors, you'd go around the part that you don't want.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd cut it out and you put in Photoshop in different parts of that background.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you'd have live actors as long as they weren't infringing on the new part of your image.
[SPEAKER_01]: that you kind of cut a mat line around the parts that you want to keep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you add in all the other parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's probably how they did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a combo of a location shot and some extensions that extensions would be my guest.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did a thing on Chuck once where we wanted to have.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a train station, I think, in Prague or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: We wanted something like that, but we didn't have any money on Chuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we built a train platform and we shot it from one end up high so that the actors behind the actors was the ground that we that we had built a twenty thirty foot train platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: We shot that angle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Dan Curry, who I had brought over to Chuck for visual effects, Dan Curry then took a photo of a bullet train and moved the photo so that we didn't have video of a bullet train.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had a photo of a bullet train and he made it look like it was moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he took a photograph of the broth station with a glass roof and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Put in all these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had the moving train.
[SPEAKER_01]: He even put in some birds flying inside this enormous hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he shot some extras, some background actors on green screen and put them in the photo of the train station.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you had all these moving elements.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was literally the only part that we filmed were the green screen background actors that were shrunk to tiny people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the platform with our principal actors, the twenty foot platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did not go to Prague.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did not.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was an enormous shot that Dan Curry composited in with all these pieces.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them he made moves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think even put people inside the train like walking.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could see in the photo of the train that was moving in.
[SPEAKER_01]: He put people walking inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it looked very authentic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I haven't seen all the episodes of Chuck and being a big fan of Chuck.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Dan courage did a great job.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really do believe a lot of the locations they were on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, well, how do you think?
[SPEAKER_03]: A couple of times I thought, did they actually go to Switzerland?
[SPEAKER_01]: I go.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no way.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no way they went there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it looked great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nevertheless, those shows were the biggest puzzle I've ever done because
[SPEAKER_01]: the character that our lead character was a spy and he had to travel the world to go everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everywhere, it'd go to Argentina, it'd go to Moscow, it'd go to Paris, it'd go to Switzerland.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are we going to do that in a two and a half million dollar budget?
[SPEAKER_03]: How impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank God for Dan Curry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Cisco re-nights with his boss, his old boss, Layton.
[SPEAKER_01]: We meet Ben Teen, who was Layton's
[SPEAKER_01]: Adjutant, which is basically like an administrative secretary, kind of person, second and second in command.
[SPEAKER_03]: But still ranked though an officer, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think she's an admiral or commander.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's a commander.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're not a receptionist.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like a ranked officer that's the officer who is the assistant person.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, looking at the script, adjunct commander.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, a young commander.
[SPEAKER_03]: So high ranking officer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we they discuss how the grave danger that Earth is in here and the reason they brought Cisco and Odo as they hope their experience can help because they know about the dominion.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The camera quadrant is the only ones that have real
[SPEAKER_01]: hands-on information about all of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why they're here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob Foxworth did a very good job of checking out Odo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really got the, I got both curiosity and, and to stand and not sure what to make of this, which I would have liked to have seen from some other actors as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just ascripted, so, so he has to play it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I really thought, good job, Bob.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good job, Bob.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, believable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his status, the tone of Robert Foxworth's high status as an admiral and someone to be respected and having the power he had, I bought all that totally dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to Joseph Cisco's restaurant, Joseph is hosting the whole place.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's throwing a party, he's talking to everybody, work in the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: David Chelpe, David Chelpe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, David Chelpe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, David Levinson.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Another name lyric.
[SPEAKER_01]: Part of our musical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco and Jake arrived.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dad almost runs into him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake remembers that Joseph used to tell him about this alligator.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way that David Livingston shot the opening started on the alligator in the foreground.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it comes back with Jake talking about that alligator and how Joseph
[SPEAKER_01]: told him when he was a kid that the alligator was in stasis and then he set him out to guard the restaurant at night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Classic grandpa story.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to weird how it's mounted though, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just sort of like, it's got like two, it's got some rope around it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's better with the seal.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a nice place, but it's also slightly rusty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't mind the ropes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're okay with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have a problem with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it helps Jake's story as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like something my grandfather would have told me.
[SPEAKER_01]: A tall tale like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They sit down, we learn auto-stained back at Starfleet.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sad to stay back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they immediately talk about Joseph's two skinning.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't look well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we feel the conflict immediately because Joseph is very stern with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, end of discussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then log up here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very thin and very physically fit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought in that uniform.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he looked.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks felt in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The biceps and shoulders.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learn he loves the tube grubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the only place he can get good tube grubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph's restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake's happy to see him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like how Jake pulled that chair kind of sitting backwards on the chair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like those kind of things that don't feel, they feel natural.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a nice little nuance.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that was David Livingston or the actors.
[SPEAKER_01]: When people actually eat food in a scene instead of poke around the salad, you know, doesn't he talk about how to prepare tube grabs a little later?
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't he sit?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there he goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He goes, I've been thinking of adding them to our menu.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, I'll have to cook them for my human customers, serve them with a nice remelod, which then I started thinking, that sounds a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would actually try that then.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cook the tube grubs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but they have to wriggle as they go down.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was like, why would you cook them?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'll cook to please for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cook for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are certain, uh, I think certain restaurants in Japan that have live seafood that you eat and it's, it's wiggling as it goes down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just gonna.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: insects and fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to eat them bugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not even if they're not moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't eat bugs or.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you wouldn't need a, uh, you wouldn't need a cricket or another.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I tried it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's very famous in a certain part of Mexico.
[SPEAKER_03]: They call them chappalinas.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little tiny little little grasshoppery thingies, I think, and that's what they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's small ones, bigger ones.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so they when my, some friends went back to my school and came back and gave me some to try.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, so how do I eat them?
[SPEAKER_03]: And like you can just kind of like there's so small.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could put them on some other food.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I actually put it on pizza and I ate it that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: So oh wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just, it wasn't bad at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was very surprised.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're not going to try it ever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no bugs for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Army, would you eat a bug?
[SPEAKER_03]: That was
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, as she were talking, I was trying to decide if I would or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, I haven't made up my mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll check back every day after the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm faced with a bug.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's, when I actually have one in front of me, then I'll let you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob asked not to talk about school, though, and we see not a boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the question pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a school.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can tell there's a little trouble in Paradise with Nog.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't really say hi to Joseph when he came in.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of odd.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is an older person.
[SPEAKER_03]: You should have some respect for the elders and be like, oh, good morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a brief moment to that where I thought Brock Peters was a little myth at this young man just pulling up a chair and sitting down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just really.
[SPEAKER_00]: I sought for a brief moment and went
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw that too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what brought my attention to like he didn't even say anything to Brock and maybe Brock was thinking as that as Brock Peters was like that's a little bit rude that they didn't give him a line.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he was thinking that right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's slightly excused when when we understand that that that Naga so is regular but even so that there is that moment that we both saw where he was
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're in a family or the actor thinking, you know, acknowledge me, you know, and maybe he did in a different take and did this take.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, possible, but it's it's quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: He could have said, hey, Mr. S, hey, Mr. You know, Mr. Cisco, it's something really quick, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't notice that, but it's interesting of both of you saw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a little time passing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The customers are leaving.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's closing time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco and Joseph head to the back for some special cognac.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Jake and Nog have a chance to talk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake knows something's up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nog admits that he feels left out.
[SPEAKER_01]: The red squad are the cool kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just don't acknowledge him at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Jake gives him some advice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just give it some time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're a good guy to be around.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Naga appreciates that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a good guy, aren't I?
[SPEAKER_00]: Good response from Aaron, a very good response from Aaron.
[SPEAKER_03]: This conversation about red squad may be thinking immediately of Niclicardo.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Niclicardo, founder of the red squad himself, Robbie McNeil, playing that care.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, Star, the role that I did on TNG was in the red squad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it the?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it wasn't called red squad.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you had something else that it was called.
[SPEAKER_03]: But again, it reminded me of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nova Squad was ours.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got Nova Squad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I thought the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's that group.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's that group.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Knox fell a little better at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the president's office.
[SPEAKER_01]: We meet the president for the first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did not like this makeup.
[SPEAKER_01]: The dog face makeup did not think it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was also in combination with the hair that was the whole package was weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had to wear gloves.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't do hands for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's wearing gloves.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was just it almost looks like it was a shower cap thing that the president was wearing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just looked weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't light it as to take away the defects.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you saw all the lines and I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how could you not see it?
[SPEAKER_00]: They were right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not a great makeup.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it did not help the status of this, this is the president of the Federation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know I like the idea that it's not a human.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's part of the theme again of what I think this episode is about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, when you're looking at it, the first time you look at it, you think this is like a basset-hound face.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a dust.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a sad, droopy sort of like dog face.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought, wow, that is not the avenue that I would have, in my mind, the president of the Federation doesn't look like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: just got the gut feeling that a lot of her show's performance was voice over was not that somebody replaced his voice although I'm not familiar enough with his voice to know for sure about that yeah but but but that a lot of it was ADR additional dialogue replacement mm-hmm I just got the feeling it I may be totally wrong I just thought I'm not so sure it's sinking up perfectly that's mm-hmm
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did seem a bit off, and I'm not sure if it was ADRed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Makeup made him uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it felt strange.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Huh.
[SPEAKER_03]: That could have been it, too, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we've had stories of guest actors not being able to withstand the rigors of latex applications.
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe, maybe that's what he was dealing with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine the little I know about her show that that would not have been a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could have been, could have been.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this actor who plays the president reminds me of John Schuck, who Renee also worked with in the Mash movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, something about him when I first, with that dog face makeup and the voice, my first thought was, oh, is that John Chuck?
[SPEAKER_01]: Would that be cool?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was not John Chuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: John Chuck was on Voyager.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was in the Greek chorus of that episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was Bologna?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Bologna.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was one of the chorus, one of the classical, like Greek chorus actors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: John Chuck was in our show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that I want to take anything away from the actor to play the role, but I think just because John Chuck did match with Renee, I think that would have been cool if John Chuck had played that role.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as it is, you know, Renee got another friend to work with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we meet him.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get to see this dog face makeup.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see the president does not want to disrupt everybody's lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just wants to go slow and not overreact to things and then suddenly auto morphs from Cisco's briefcase.
[SPEAKER_01]: surprises the president to let him know to demonstrate how dangerous a change and how easy it is for changing to infiltrate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's, it's, it's, it's.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is what I think Ben team brings up that there's no precautions that and you could not only have been assassinated, but you could have been replaced, which we'll find out and then later seen how easy that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: The president shocked.
[SPEAKER_01]: He realizes how dangerous things can be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco advises blood tests of the senior staff and their families.
[SPEAKER_01]: They agree that they have to protect, you know, the progress in peace that they've built here on Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They call Earth Paradise.
[SPEAKER_01]: They use that term a couple of times which I find interesting and I question that term, Paradise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because to me, with all the improvements, there's still progress to be made on Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: It cannot be even in our Star Trek mythology to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That just implies like, we're done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: They use that term a couple times, but maybe that's their attitude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's going to end up helping us.
[SPEAKER_01]: feeding this fueling the story in some way, but it's easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time they call the paradise in the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, imposing martial law is a tricky subject for anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can understand why the president doesn't want to do that, especially
[SPEAKER_00]: as he's not human.
[SPEAKER_00]: To have an alien figure impose this on a planet and its occupants, its people, you'd really do need to think about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marshall Law.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does agree to let them take some precautions here, so we cut to
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco's office, they're testing these phaser sweep things to catch changelings.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sweeps the room and Odo gets stunned.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a he's a plant.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a plant.
[SPEAKER_01]: He literally is a plant.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when the phaser finally catches him, he's like, out, got hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a plant and a guinea pig.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's what he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we learned they've been doing this for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's had a few of these jolts and shocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to find just the right level to catch.
[SPEAKER_01]: The change links, and he's like, I think three point five is where he want to be, to be on the safe side, but I don't want to do this anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had enough shocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then nog enters as they wrap up their conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to speak to Cisco privately, and he wants to go to recommend him for red squad.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, he should have joined Nova Squad, you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if he really wanted to be a cool kid, he should have joined Nova Squad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco does mention here the red squad and never heard of that when when I was in Starfleet Academy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it
[SPEAKER_01]: My, my suspicion radar went up a little bit there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, wait, are they pulling Knox leg?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure this will play out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm sure something will happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought he really didn't want to play that scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I got this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not want to play that scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seemed annoyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the best turn to way from now on.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's pulling his eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Poor Nog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not bags in the scene too.
[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't a lot of sympathy for Nog's feelings.
[SPEAKER_01]: This felt
[SPEAKER_01]: very dismissive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you would think, because Nog, who he's known for years now, we advocate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he had advocated and been convinced that Nog was, you know, and his son's best friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: To have a reunion after a couple of months at school, you would think the character would be curious and interested in asking, what, how's it going?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me help you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do, you know, encouraging him.
[SPEAKER_01]: but it was scripted in a very different way.
[SPEAKER_00]: If Cisco is so busy and he is, that he can't be bothered with an adolescence desire to do better in school.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't they give him a line that said that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they said I can't be bothered right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a really important work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who let you in anyway?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they could have added one extra and they would have been a quick line.
[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't have to be such a long, you know, monologue.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's you right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just I'm so busy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so preoccupied with this changeling thread.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't, you know, deal with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does say I'm busy, but it's it's a different is that he's sitting down sitting down is turned away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Turned away.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't look busy.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: He should have had pads all over the place.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where he's just like, oh, huh.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going through all this information trying to get on top of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And no, that wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he says if he has a chance to help him.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's hopeful, but I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That line I'll help you doesn't make any sense out of what you've just seen in the performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, just go.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't look like he's going out.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that line.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do have a establishing shot of New Orleans that looks like it was shot in the back lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paramount back a lot where they put New York Street.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not good, not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like a carriage going by.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, horse-drawn carriage.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should have splurged the two hundred bucks for some stock footage of New Orleans French Quarter.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all it would have cost them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably at that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good to literally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just get some stock for the of Neil New Orleans French Quarter and not New York's backlot.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was not a good show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we go inside Cisco's restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's folding some napkins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph is talking to Cisco.
[SPEAKER_03]: He goes, well, look who's here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Come in, stranger.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cisco, go, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't been around much lately.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a little busy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this, after hours?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or is it like if he's folding napkins?
[SPEAKER_01]: What was the daytime establishing shot?
[SPEAKER_01]: As I've discussed, I did not like that establishing shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a daytime establishing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I assume it's before dinner.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the afternoon probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: After.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Joseph's folding napkins, Cisco comes in, look who's here, stranger.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little tension between them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's hurt, that Cisco isn't visiting enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Jake's off at visiting some school in New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's feeling a little buttered.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then Cisco's mad because he said, I talked to your doctor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you haven't been to see your doctor in eight months.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have progressive, Arthur rose, chlorosis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everybody doesn't get it either.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I went, somebody should have told him I had to say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I don't, I can't say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Progressive arts, atherosclerosis.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: That circulation, something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it has nothing to do with arthritis, then.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Arthur, Arthur school, Jesus, it's hard to even just
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a build-up of plaque in the arteries leading to heartening and nearing of arteries.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a heart, it's a product formation thing, nearing of his arteries.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's progressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something he should be going to the doctor more often about, and he's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Joseph basically says, you know, staying healthy is a full-time job and I can't work two jobs.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says you weren't visiting enough and then the end Joseph says, how long till you're due back at Starfleet headquarters?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is an odd kind of banter.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, in this banter, uh, one of Joseph lines is, uh, Francisco says, you know, dad, you could come and visit us at the station once in a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Joseph says, don't start that again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Earth's my home.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's where I belong besides what would happen to the restaurant if I went galavanting around the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought this was a dig towards his son from past baggage of you didn't follow me into the restaurant business.
[SPEAKER_03]: You went into Starfleet.
[SPEAKER_03]: What if I was
[SPEAKER_03]: got a venting around the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that was a very slight subtle little dig at his own kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that was my take on that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, conflict is brewing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all, although all the old stuff's coming out a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, well, they decide to go for a walk to Audubon Park and we go back to Starfleet headquarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a seagull out on a rock that morphs into Odo.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is more of a morph.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, especially with animals, like now you've got to film the seagull in an animal trainer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as they're always moving, so it's going to be an animated morphing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's tricky.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are still, they are in New Orleans, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where they've established New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_03]: So autobun park is, yeah, I wonder if that's a real park.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the seagull is in San Francisco.
[SPEAKER_00]: The seagull is in San Fran.
[SPEAKER_03]: Autumn Park was the big park in Memphis when I was in Memphis, Tennessee, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's so.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is an Autumn Park in a very large Autumn Park in New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_01]: In New Orleans?
[SPEAKER_01]: In New Orleans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so it's real.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a real thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not far from the garden district.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in that area.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have a long walk ahead of them if they're going to walk out of on park because it's about the size of central park.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's big.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the Seagull turns into Odo and they talk about how impressive things are, you know, with his morphing and things like that, he says it wasn't very impressive flying over San Francisco though.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, took a little aerial tour of San Francisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's quite nice, but not as ancient as the city's a beige or
[SPEAKER_01]: but almost as impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a little, I got a little bit of snodding us from Odo in his comments about San Francisco.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I couldn't help but chuckle because I know how many years Renee lived in San Francisco.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys track when he's when Layton says I doubt that other changelings are wasting their time imitating birds.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't all share Odo's lack of skill when it comes to mimicking humans.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's when Odo
[SPEAKER_01]: tracked the fact that wait a minute how the hell do you know that kind of a look right so that's that's the beginning of it yeah his suspicion yeah and he wants to late and starts to leave he you know auto kind of grabs him and we see the more yeah his arms sort of morphs a little bit when he grabs and he starts to link
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it links.
[SPEAKER_01]: We realize he's a changeling and late morphs into a seagull and flies off.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always a seagull.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could play that thing from the seagull from the play the seagull.
[SPEAKER_00]: The seagull.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a seagull.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a seagull.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm an actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the character's name is Nina.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we go to Cisco's San Francisco office, late in the no-do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all discussing the change-ling infiltrated Cisco security measures these blood tests and things they have to do more.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Cisco says, well, it's all the present.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let me do right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Layton says, you know, he's not from here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not one of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we made Earth a paradise brings that word up again.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to protect it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is when
[SPEAKER_01]: As they're starting to get serious about, they've got to step up the security.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph has been arrested.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake says, Jake Halls and says, Dad, you got to get back here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph's grandpa's been arrested.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go to the restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph is refusing to take a blood test.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco is insisting on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has Jake do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake does the blood test.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco does the blood test.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph still refuses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben sends the others off to eat.
[SPEAKER_01]: He decides to talk to Joseph.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a big sort of clash of the titan scene these two.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a bit all over the place to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Benjamin and Joseph basically have a fight here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph said that says he's not starfleet.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can make his own decisions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Starfleet has no right to tell him what to do to take blood tests or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: They argue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben finally in the midst of this argument says, why can't you just cooperate for months?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't you just do what I ask you one time?
[SPEAKER_01]: And there arguing Joseph cuts his finger with a knife.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes to rinse it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to look at the blood on the knife.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Joseph sees him looking.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very offended at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, you know, you're obsessed.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're obsessed with this change, like thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he does say to Cisco, you're not going to catch a shapeshifter with some gadget.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's sort of this old school way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you got to go with your instinct versus you're trying to beat this thing with gadgets and blood tests and phasers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you've got to be more old school, I guess, is sort of his argument.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that other part of the line that to you, right before you said, you aren't going to catch shape shifters using some gadget is there isn't a test that's been created a smart man can't find his way around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, then he has a heart attack, which we learn later is not a heart attack, so I'm confused.
[SPEAKER_03]: they said it was a mild stroke but the way he reacted boy that seemed like he's on death step is what it looked like it was performing for the back row of a very large theater that's what it was there you go yeah to me that did not look like a
[SPEAKER_01]: a stroke, because we learned at the top of the next scene, Joseph, we're back in the San Francisco office, Joseph is going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a mild stroke.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what a mild stroke looks like from my experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco says, for a moment, he truly thought his dad was a changeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco realizes, like, he'd lost trust in his own father.
[SPEAKER_01]: his brain had gotten him so obsessed and so confused that he couldn't trust his dad.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is, it's not trust.
[SPEAKER_00]: In his position, my feeling is, he should have thought that it could have been.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is why they're testing all the relatives of high ranking officials.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is that it's that very thing that love for that person that could affect the person in charge is decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was right to distress his father as he should distrust everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because his line here he says
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if it's reasonable, not these things we're doing, but when a son can't trust his own father.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what if it's not your father?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and Odo says right after that, that's why my people came here to undermine the trust and mutual understanding that the Federation's built on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you start to see this paranoia and paranoia and fear can do a lot of damage.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure can.
[SPEAKER_01]: can do a lot on the damage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what we see starting to happen here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco and Otto, both agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: They wish they'd never found these his people at the end of the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph serving customers.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's running around this way in that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he talks to Jake.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says he's worried about Benjamin has son.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says I've never seen Ben so tense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then suddenly the lights go out in the restaurant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake says take a look at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole block is dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everything's out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Powers out everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the San Francisco headquarters.
[SPEAKER_01]: The powers out there too.
[SPEAKER_01]: The doors forced open.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco is kind of pulling at the, at the electric door.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an implied attack by the change links.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we learn in the scene, Earth has lost power.
[SPEAKER_01]: The entire planet has lost all power.
[SPEAKER_03]: You imagine that, a planet wide blackout with cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have a generator at my house here for this year, so if you guys, we're coming to your house.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you have a generator.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a backup generator, so come on over.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be good here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if the dominion attacks right now, they are completely defenseless.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go back to the president's office, the sun's rising, so we can see a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco advises the state of emergency.
[SPEAKER_01]: They believe the dominion came through the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_01]: when it was opening and closing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Layton says they have a plan for this sort of situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can use Lakota's transporters, communications, and they have stockpiles, weapons, and supplies, enough to, you know, outfit an entire army for the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the president's very reluctant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Odo argues, you know, people all over this planet are huddled in the dark right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't act, if you don't show them,
[SPEAKER_01]: that you're here to protect them, that they aren't alone, and fear's gonna take over.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this convinces the president.
[SPEAKER_01]: He authorizes a state of emergency.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was my criticism for Ira and Robert Hewitt Wolf.
[SPEAKER_00]: That speech should never have been put in Odo's mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that speech should have come from Cisco or from Layton.
[SPEAKER_00]: the very thing that you're asking a changeling to convince the president to do so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're out looking for a change of granted.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is out of, who also can be replicated by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This speech should have come from a human, not from a changeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went,
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand they have to give Renee something and he's in the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't keep him quiet for the whole scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't know that should not have come from Renee.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't thought about it, but it's a very good point.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when I look at the script, you're right, that whole bit, it could have just been Cisco's line, which would have went right into the actual Cisco line at the end where he says, give us the authority we need, Mr. President.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we will take care of the rest.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would have been his impassioned monologue, which would have made more sense than what was written.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gives them the permission to enact martial law.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we go back to Cisco's restaurant, there's candle going, Jake's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mesmerized by the candle, but then he hears something outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's Voices, he goes to the window, calls grandpa.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sees arm starflate appearing in the street.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marshal La, Marshal La, boots on the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: to be continued.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Part two, coming up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how excited Armin is about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I am actually excited because I don't remember it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about the lesson that we're going to learn from this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be Robbie for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lesson that I learned was fear can consume you and cloud you thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the lesson is to be cautious to have awareness of when you're experiencing those things and try to uncloud your mind from the paranoia and the fear that, you know, the, which is very difficult to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very difficult.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is your lesson for this episode?
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe the lesson is, the hold that one's homeland has on one is deeper than we recognize.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that no matter whether you're doing your best or not, if you're advocating for your homeland, it's going to be a stronger impulse than if you're just doing it because it's the right thing to do than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: like attachment, attachment to where you were born is stronger than we're aware of.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe that's indicated in the, in the, in the comics scene with, with, uh, with O'Brien, and the sheer defending their homeland against the Jerry's.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the speech that Quart makes about his homeland being attacked by financial crisis.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Layton says this about the president, about her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her, her.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not an earthly.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't, he doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think that's woven, you're all through this episode that that love, at an end and desire to help your homeland is part of your DNA structure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Garret, what about you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Same as yours.
[SPEAKER_03]: You go down that rabbit hole, and it's so hard to not reverse direction.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be very careful with fear, it's such a dangerous emotion.
[SPEAKER_03]: If left unchecked, it can cause people to do things that are inhuman.
[SPEAKER_03]: agreed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, underperson.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our Patreon poll winner for theme slash more or less in this episode as submitted by Andre May is to quote a brilliant senator from a galaxy far, far away.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is how democracy dies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that a Star Wars quote?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: on a star trek.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good comment.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter where it comes from.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't want to see democracy dying for goodness sake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Starfleet, the good guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: who are asking for democracy to be put aside.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's starfleet advocating for martial law.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when democracy disappears, is where a martial law overcomes democracy.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why Joseph didn't want to have his blood tested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not so much that he was afraid of getting the shot or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just you're invading my privacy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're invading my rights.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's democracy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what I like about this episode and the script,
[SPEAKER_00]: is that they gave both sides, if you're really paying attention, they gave both sides time to present their views about martial law and the invasion of people's privacy and democracy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you, Arman, for joining us again.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And for all of our listeners, thank you so much for joining us for our recap and discussion of this episode.
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