[SPEAKER_00]: a little white socks fans and welcome to another edition of the future socks podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: My name is Ian Eskidge joining me as always is my co-host James Fox and tonight we have a special guest from MLB Pipeline mb.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mr. Jim Callis, how are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing good.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are you guys doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Doing pretty well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you finally get through your gauntlet.
[SPEAKER_00]: of the draft here in the last weeks here, I'm sure you're probably still compiling information, but what was your feeling on the new draft format?
[SPEAKER_02]: You mean the two days versus the three days?
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't really make much of a difference necessarily.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't done any analysis to see that we have more over Slack guys in the fourth round instead of the third round because we went on the next round on day one.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes for a really long day too, but like in terms of how we handled the broadcast, it was the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we didn't like, I joke like we could talk about some of the players that got drafted around the London through twenty, but having to comment on every player would probably kill us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad we didn't have to do that, but like in the past where we would do all the day two picks, which were three through ten, we would sit them beyond the air for how many hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we kind of sit around
[SPEAKER_02]: to fill if there's any technical difficulties and it causes a pause around the limit through twenty.
[SPEAKER_02]: All they just got crammed into one day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was, it was fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure why they switched it, but it didn't really affect me one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I kind of affected just our mental space before the whole thing started more than it actually affected the run time of how things actually went down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was different for the teams, you know, because you don't have instead of having two nights where you had breaks, I mean, you could kind of recalberate and figure out how much money you had who might take it and they'd ask him prices change.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and you always would see in the past like on day three, eleven through around eleven through twenty, somebody who maybe was asking for more money.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then realized, oh, I didn't get picked.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got a lower basket price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those guys were going around to eleven through twelve.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had a little bit of it, but they had basically an hour to figure that out as opposed to hold.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It didn't stop the brewers, Kim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they do that every year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: It made it didn't matter for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're attitude like with the brewers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they have the most fascinating draft every year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Essentially, they take several high school guys around to eleven through twenty and figure, they save up like a million and a half or two million.
[SPEAKER_02]: depending on the year and it's it's not like they know who's getting the money it's like okay we have this money and you know we'll try different combinations and see you know like prioritize and you know like let's say the guy wants the most money if we can't meet with him that maybe we saw two guys but yeah they I don't think anybody really did the draft any different like the angels still gave almost a million dollars to high school picture after the tenth round like they have in the last three or four years like I don't think anybody really changed their
[SPEAKER_02]: they're approach because it was crammed into two days right in three.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it just it looks interesting when like you don't sign your thirteenth rounder, but then you sign your eighteenth and twenty it's kind of like whoever takes it at that point.
[SPEAKER_04]: The pirates too, obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, well, the brewers, I mean, I know they offered I think in figures.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Cooper Underwood could assign for seven figures and wound up
[SPEAKER_02]: choosing to go to Georgia Tech and I might have had another one of their high schoolers who did too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, they legitimately tried to, I think a different time is trying to sign almost all those guys in rounds eleven-thirty.
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't going to get all of them, but they made runs at them in kind of a making order if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is off script here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But how surprised were you that the angels took bremner?
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would like, he's not, he's not an illegitimate pick of two.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, coming into the year, like, he was a normal came to go one one and he was coming to be the best pitcher or the first pitcher taking in the draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he got to slow us start and we found out, I think we all found out later, you know, in his mom died.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, he had a very rough spring.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he finished really strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, his last six starts were very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he had more, I think we had him like a teeth in our list and he probably had more positive momentum going than that ranking.
[SPEAKER_02]: If that makes sense, I mean, if we talked about the rankings aren't set in stone, like that whole lemon to twenty group is kind of what were you want to put them in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, I think he had more momentum than we realized, but now I was really surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was funny because you know, I was during the first round of the draft, I've seen what Melanie Newman
[SPEAKER_02]: and Carl's Carl's Colazo from Baseball American and Lance Brostowski from Marquis, and we do Cub's minor league show on Marquis, like a bunch.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of my texted lands, like literally before the stress start, the Bremner was gonna go in the top cup of fix.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, whoa, like, so, you know, it wasn't undeserving.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just was surprised, but they didn't take Kate Anderson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you look at what the angels did, they gave Bremner
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they literally paid him the maximum cut they could do because he took a physical.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got seventy five percent of the slot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they used that money to go get Johnny Sliminski in the third round and go over slot for CJ Gray in the fifth round.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and talent haily, you know, for nine hundred thousand dollars in Robert Mitchell actually they got four high school pictures that they spent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing the math my head here about
[SPEAKER_02]: G's six and a half million dollars on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's strategy was to save as much money as possible with that pick and then spend it on other guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in retrospect, I, you could see how it played out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the time, we weren't, I wasn't expecting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just assumed if Kate Anderson didn't go one, then he was going to go two.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was far less surprised that you, I will let's wet one because we knew he was one of three candidates.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd start here.
[SPEAKER_02]: The nationals maybe weren't gonna take a forced guy or I'm gonna try to save as much money as they could.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that one wasn't surprising, but I didn't, I just thought it was, we, we, we'd heard all kinds of names from the angels and we didn't hear Brennan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I didn't say not on the air, but before the draft started, how the angels were wide open.
[SPEAKER_02]: I told the guys in on the network, I didn't mean this with disrespect, but I said literally the angels could take any one of the top twenty players on our two fifty and it wouldn't surprise me because they do things differently in other teams and they they took the eighteenth gap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of strategies, the whitesock spent pretty much almost exactly their five percent overage took eleven hitters and nine pitchers.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of the whitesock's draft strategy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, it's easy for me to say because it's not my money, but you should always spend five percent of your play.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they left ten thousand four hundred something dollars on the table, which is fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like you should maximize your spending power.
[SPEAKER_02]: The draft is by far the most cost effective way to get talent and you lock it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: You control guys for six years in the miners, six years in the majors, so you should a hundred percent
[SPEAKER_02]: Do that all the time it just it's crazy to me that twenty teams did and teams didn't and the ten teams get to divide up the tax penalty from the other twenty teams so you're going to get like.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, a million dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'd rather have, I'd rather, you know, for the White Sox case, they had a twelve of point one million dollar pool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I gave them an extra six hundred thousand dollars to play with.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they used it, which is smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, I mean, I think the White Sox, as we've seen, they aren't afraid to take a school player's high.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they did that with their first two picks.
[SPEAKER_02]: They usually, and you know, late in the hogs, they're their first four.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they got three highest bonuses in their draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, they aren't afraid.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they kind of have a diverse approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we all kind of knew they were going to take an area code game games guy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, they have to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to say, James, I think it was you reached out to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, well, I don't know that Falski is going to get to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there was a lot of buzz at him going in the sandwich round.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then, you know, then he did, but like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just seem kind of like typical strategy for the for the white socks under Mike Shirley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys feel the same way?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did anything surprise you about the way things unfolded?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, not really because I thought they wanted hitters.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, last year, I told everybody that would listen last year they were taking a bat and they took Higgins Smith, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So I was kind of like, yeah, okay, you know, like we'll see.
[SPEAKER_04]: But like just listening to Shirley after the draft, he kind of said that they wanted to prioritize hitters.
[SPEAKER_04]: They didn't like the college pitching class and they knew that if they were prioritizing hitters, they couldn't afford high school pitcher.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it just kind of
[SPEAKER_04]: you know, like played out the way that it did.
[SPEAKER_04]: The thing I thought it was interesting with Foski Jim, like I knew that they'd go to like three millionish.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you basically had to get him past pick thirty two at that point.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like once he got past like thirty two thirty three, I thought it was possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, can somebody else spend somebody else have paid him over Sloth?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just didn't know he was going to get more than that basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: I honestly thought Detroit was going to take him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a team I heard a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they kind of went off the board and took the old without a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was funny, like, I mean, I mentioned the area code games connection, because I mean, in the last few drafts, they've gotten what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Militials, George Wolkow, Caleb Bonamer, and even Blake Larson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Blake Larson too, with IMG.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, all, like, overslot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they're all overslot.
[SPEAKER_02]: But all, like, like, high profile picks, and they came and did it again with Jayden Faske.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there was a guy that could have taken in the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, like there wasn't like a legitimate first round pick who would have been on the area.
[SPEAKER_04]: They did not have a guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, but even dating back to like, twenty, twenty, they took at us in coffee.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's always one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what did you have?
[SPEAKER_04]: And I know we kind of talked about, you know, Jojo Parker and Carlson and, you know, they say Carlson was their top choice because that's where they took whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think about?
[SPEAKER_04]: just like Billy Carlson and in his upside and then do you think he slides on to you guys's top one hundred once you guys redo it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't we were just starting to work on that and I haven't tried to play skies yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like I would have been very curious to see what would have happened if Joe Jeparker and Billy Carlson were both on the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again,
[SPEAKER_02]: Teams will want to, you know, don't want to disrespect the guys they take.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe Billy Carlson was ahead of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not convinced that they wouldn't have taken Jojo Parker ahead of Billy Carlson.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I lined up the short.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have, I put guys in order by position.
[SPEAKER_02]: Billy might, Billy might make the list.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's interesting to discussion him versus Caleb Bonamer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You probably have to give Billy the nod, as well as Caleb's played, he was drafted recently enough that I kind of look at what Guy's stock was when they were drafted, and Billy was highly regarded.
[SPEAKER_02]: Billy's fascinating, because on one hand, we're gonna have Scouts who will say, like, multiple Scouts told us, the best high school defensive shortstop they've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like these are guys who've scouted for decades.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably a seventy defender.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's short.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's got twenty-humber power.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a power over hit guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: The crazy thing is, it gets a little dicey.
[SPEAKER_02]: It worries me when you're taking a guy anywhere in the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to make some changes when he gets in the pro ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you hear from everybody like scouts don't like the swing that I like to set up, but everybody said it's an easy fix like there's these two or three things and maybe we'll be an easy fix.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's that's the caveat that comes with Billy Carlson is in again, you know, he's very talented.
[SPEAKER_02]: He went about in the draft where he should have gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like they overdraft in him, but it worries me just a little bit of
[SPEAKER_02]: When you hear like, oh, we got to change the swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, then I'm like, ah, like, but he won't temporarily roll.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why for me, I would have, I personally would have taken Jojo Parker, because I didn't Jojo Parker might have been the best all around combination, hit power, swing decisions, bat in the high school ranks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, now he's not anywhere near the defender Billy is like Billy's probably a seventy defender on the twenty eight scale.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Jojo is probably fifty who's going to want to move the third if he's going to get physical.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just a different player.
[SPEAKER_02]: And ultimately, the decision was out of the white socks hands because Jojo Parker didn't get to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: What can you tell us about Lyndon Hodg?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, fourth round pick, you know, took a catcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and what I like about him, like, everybody always talks about, oh, it's hard to invest in high school catchers.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a risky profile.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a risky profile if you don't believe in the guy's bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're taking a defensive mind to guy, I'm not sure if he's going to hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those guys usually don't hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the landing can hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a good swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got gap power.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a predictable frame, so I think there's going to be more power.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a really good athlete for a catcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: He needs some work behind the plate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless you're like Austin Hedge, he's almost every high school catcher needs to work behind the plate.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that tip.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a sneaky, interesting tip and round four.
[SPEAKER_04]: So then just going back a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, we mentioned Foski because he's local just what were you guys, you know, I know where you had ranked.
[SPEAKER_04]: You think that is just like appropriate and that spot, you know, the value that they got him for and then just kind of like what you think about the player.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because again, I mean, we had him ranked fifty seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: He went forty fourth.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got paid more like he was in the thirty five, you know, round the thirty fifth pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Prop guys who are ranked today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thirty to sixty.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Different teams are going to like different guys more.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it's pretty much a similar thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he had, I think he'd won the best lieutenant swings in the high school ranks.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's really athletic.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I haven't talked to Mike Shirley yet, and I haven't seen anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they've broached getting him try to catch because a lot of guys wanted him to catch now he runs well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's going to be powers he gets stronger because of hitting abilities there and maybe you just like the bats so good and I could buy this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just want the bat to be as good as it is and you know he has a chance to play center field.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean he's not a he's not a bad athlete at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like he's not going to catch or going to put him a he's not a culturever.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're if he's not catching like it's first baser left field like he's a pretty good athlete some I might guess is maybe they aren't But no, I he went about in the range we were here and he would go and it's a really good like he's Like, you know, the back like obviously if you don't hit you don't play and you feel like Falski's gonna hit cause any kid won the best bats in the high splint
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm like the media call surely didn't rule it out, but he said that they were sending him out as a centerfielder obviously.
[SPEAKER_04]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that almost sounds like catching would happen if he didn't hit as much like basically they need to create more value.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're they're bent on the bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that pickle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, it kind of made me chuckle on off like chuckle on the air.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like man, they took another area of games guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like without fail.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, I knew they really like Sean Gamble too, but I didn't think there was any chance he was gonna get to him.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, it was, it was interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, you kind of talked about earlier the fourth round thing, like whether you could look back and see, like if it was any different.
[SPEAKER_04]: So in the company, he kind of talked about how they were talking to prep guys in the third, and they took Kyle Lodis just because I think they wanted him to and figured they couldn't wait any longer.
[SPEAKER_04]: He got basic, and he got nine hundred and twenty five k. So like financially, you could basically flip those two picks.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think about Kyle Lodis and Kobe Shelton?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think part of the draft like like you said they those guys got pretty much seen bonus is no one guys are gonna go and Lodis went almost exactly where we had him ranked.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean super interesting guy, offense in mind did middle-end filter his cousin Alex won the Dick Houser word and
[SPEAKER_02]: I still can't remember who drafted who if it wasn't one of my ten teams.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I got thirty four.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alex went where around the four.
[SPEAKER_04]: He went to Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, Kyle who played Georgia Tech may both.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're cousins.
[SPEAKER_02]: They both wound up starting at smaller schools.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in a division two school in August of a couple years, transferred to Georgia Tech, put up really good numbers.
[SPEAKER_02]: He actually hits the ball pretty hard for a guy who's not, you know, six, three, two, twenty.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's good exit fee lows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did struggle with mid-bats in the caves.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's, you know, it's at fifteen-homer powers.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good back to ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: High baseball IQ, you know, solid speed, kind of an average shortstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we'll see if he sticks it short.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if all these guys cannot like they're supposed to, he's not going to be the shortstop because Billy Carlson, a hundred percent, will be the shortstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's kind of projects as an average shortstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: And most times you want a better than average shortstop defensively at the big league level.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think you're looking at more of a prior office of second baseman if you're projecting them out in the long term.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Colby Shelton kind of the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I know they announced him as a shortstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not like, he's a blow-average runner.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's good hands, but I don't see any way that guy's really a short stop long term.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably more of an offensive second basement.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has more power than
[SPEAKER_02]: Loadies, I think, more raw power.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, Loadies is a better hitter.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has better quickness, better defensive tools, which is why Loadies went the third round and sheldon went in the sixth round.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I mean, Colby's hit, I think what was it close to sixty home runs in three years of college, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, any play?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Georgia.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to Georgia, so I'm a big S.C.
[SPEAKER_02]: guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the best conference in the country.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he proved himself the highest level of college baseball.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's a pretty good value.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, he went about where he should have gone on the draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, that's a good place to take Holy Shelton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, offensive second basement, it might be a twenty-one or guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So White Talks waited until round five to take a picture, which for me and James is probably
[SPEAKER_00]: Just what we ordered they picked Gabe Davis who's just a imposing huge guy with high velocity, but didn't pitch a whole lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do your thoughts on that picture?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a ladder ticket, but like it's a high upside play in around five.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's six foot nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, when he's on, he touches a hundred miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fastball can get a little strange.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to need to add some some life and shape to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: His slider hits ninety two is cutter hits them in nineties.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's all about, you know, whether he throws enough strikes and gets to healthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He always seems to be a little nicked up like I know he missed fall practice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He somehow broke his collarbone fishing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was literally a fishy story pun intended.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he missed a month this spring with shoulder issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, like that was a guy coming into the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: We thought could have been a top two round pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I mean, there's a reasoning last until the fifth round.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like he was a huge over-slot signing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's because he doesn't have history thrown strikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has to history being nicked up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'll take that arm in the fifth round every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Rylan Galvin was ranked for you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he their most interesting late round guy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are there any other late sleepers that you liked in the White Talks draft?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he probably is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, he's probably more of a backup.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the college catching crop, frankly,
[SPEAKER_02]: was terrible this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really, really was terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you had, you don't have to go past first couple guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: You either had offensive guys who you weren't really sure they could catch or you had catchers who you really didn't believe could hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he could kind of do a little of everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't know that there's really anything that's better than average, but he's got raw power.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, he hits enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lot better swing decisions this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is some inzone swing in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cleanup is receiving and blocking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's an average receiver with an average to solid arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe good leadership could make up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, I like that pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, came in Parker.
[SPEAKER_02]: was a guy who was famous out of high school.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got him a fifteen-thround TCU.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been okay, but I don't think his career quite materialized like people hoped at TCU.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, I mean you're getting a guy in the fifteen-thround who probably could have been an easy third-round pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: at a high school at the time, if he was signable, he had Tommy John and he's come back from that, but he's kind of interesting, there might be something there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are probably the two, Kale Freeman had a nice year at Georgia State, but those are probably the two most interesting guys to me around eleven through twenty of Matthew Bowden, the guy they took me eleven from a high school kid and signed him for basically two hundred thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's okay, like the absolute spent most of their money up top, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Boaton is it about and is interesting because he's, I think in a turn, twenty in September.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for a high school kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got some, you know, he can run.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a good arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got some actions and shortstop, but he's not your typical projectible high school kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That one was interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I had him on my radar.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I when they took him, I was like, I didn't think I was necessarily going to be a huge sign.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then again, I mean, how many high school kids can you sign for two hundred thousand dollars?
[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't, that doesn't happen too often.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Mike surely told us basically that they were talking to him in like the fifth of the sixth round.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they were like signability stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he basically decided in the eleventh to take half of what that, you know, so they've been talking to him around four or five hundred grand.
[SPEAKER_04]: It sounds like.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he just had a relationship with the area scout and was like, you know, what I want to turn pro.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, that's good scouting to know that you can get the guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we're turn of events there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what are your thoughts overall on the white socks you don't core?
[SPEAKER_00]: And are you surprised by the success that Colson Montgomery has had in his first couple weeks or in the majors?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, it's funny when they called him up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't even start to heat up his Charlotte.
[SPEAKER_02]: I almost wondered if part of it was, look, he struggled for
[SPEAKER_02]: a year and a half, it's Charlotte.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's call him up and see if that jump starts him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so good for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he is striking out, but like, I know, I mean, I let's say I'm surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I mean, you know that talent in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think we've talked about like the concern was he hadn't had a lot of success in double layer AAA really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, I know I think what is first.
[SPEAKER_02]: two homers came at Steinbrunner field, so I was like, I don't know what to make of that, but like he's kept it going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, a small sample size, you know, I think it happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like if you was hitting, you know, three, sixty five or one, sixty five, it wouldn't, it wouldn't necessarily shock me, but like he's made, you know, a lot of, you know, hard contact.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, since he's been up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, we'll see like he's still, but the one thing that would concern me a little bit is he's still chasing, he's still swinging and missing, and he's been pretty much all poll.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like I don't necessarily think like he's made some adjustments and figured things out the play.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's hitting the ball hard and doing some damage, but I'll be curious to see, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two more months, you know, at some point, major league pitchers are going to adjust and will he be able to adjust.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, that's been a very, you know, one of the more pleasant developments, I think, in the system this year is after the struggles he had early on and going on development list and going to the complex league that he, you know, had a very good first month in the big leagues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they're well, so and he's he's using the torpedo bat now Jim so I don't know what they got like we know I don't know either, but so Yeah, what they said was in Arizona what they were trying to accomplish was to try and get him to hit things where they were pitched because if you watched him earlier when he was in Charlotte and he was having all the contact problems It was that he was trying to basically pull everything regardless of where it was pitched and so
[SPEAKER_00]: He was having problems with basically everything because he's chasing stuff and trying to pull stuff and pull an off of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so now he's saying that they're jamming him on the inside in the majors.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he tried switching over to the torpedo bat and immediately had success.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why he's sticking with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it seemed like he's still like, I'm not trying to be the partner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it still seems like he's
[SPEAKER_02]: aggressively swinging it pitches out of the strike zone and trying to pull everything so I'll just be curious but I mean good for him like I did think if he'd struggled I don't know what the next step would have been like I'm not that like oh these careers over at age twenty three but he struggled in the big leagues like he did it Charlotte
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you supposed to do it?
[SPEAKER_04]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the rest of the guys, it's, you know, like, my draft seems kind of as advertised, like, how everybody kind of wrote about him.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then the thing with Kero and Heal, like, I think I've been impressed by both of those guys, but I wish that we'll venable would find a way to play both of them together more often.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're just
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not doing it at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, he got burned once with a pinch hitter.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're both planned tonight, but it's been caro pretty exclusively against lefties and until kind of against righties, I believe.
[SPEAKER_04]: But caros destroying left handed pitching.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and the thing is, I don't know, like, this team's developing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, you could find somebody to knock off the rod.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this doesn't win anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you could find somebody to knock off the roster.
[SPEAKER_02]: to you bring quarterly or math, you know, like you could carry three catchers on the roster so that you could de-h one and play the other behind the play.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and even if you get caught without a catcher, is that really going to cost you anything?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, no, they're going to win fifty five games.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I believe you, like, I would want those guys playing, like to me, the optimum deployment would be that maybe they both catch three times a week.
[SPEAKER_02]: in DH two or three times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they both the time behind the play and they both should be getting regular at that some of the big ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's about to say it's a bit like, I think they have to be encouraged by the way the young guys have played because like, like, my government's off to get start, chase mine right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he is what he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, he puts a bat on the ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not much power.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's still thinking he's more of a second-based than the shortstop, but like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's a competent big leader and you know, Teal and Caro have hit pretty well in this play.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like all and all they have to be pleased with the way those four guys have played.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ian when they when they traded for they traded for Blake Sabel Jim like ten days ago and I thought that's what they were going to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought they were just going to bring him up so he could just be on your bench like in case something happened, but they haven't done it yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and like again, even if you don't like
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, again, how many times is your first catcher going to get hurt?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, even if you don't want to heal him against leftys or something in a crucial spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Get him some girl and get him some experience at leftys.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if somebody gets banged up and asked to come out of the game and you lose the DH, again, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, so yeah, I don't, I'll admit I haven't been tracking the usage pattern, but it seems to me both of those guys should be playing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they should be splitting catch in fifty-fifty.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should be in the starting line out five or six times a week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's been, I mean, there's been all sorts of weirds like Colson Montgomery's played a lot third and if they ultimately think he's their third basement, like, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it seems like they're doing it because they only trust Lenin so it's to play second.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then my draw has to play short.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's just all these more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't you, I'm just going to shorten and put.
[SPEAKER_02]: I drop the second, which
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree with you, because they don't trust so send a play anywhere else.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but you wouldn't have to play in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one secret.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like again, he's doing okay, but I mean, do any of this thing, not no offense to Linine Sosa, that he's going to be playing a starting role on the next great Y socks team.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's been interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's been a tumultuous year for Hagan Smith and Noah Schultz.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you worried about them at all?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't, worried might be strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I say, maybe mildly concerned about Schultz.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the big thing for Schultz was, okay, like this year is gonna pitch more in four things in a game.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's had some minor physical stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: He hasn't thrown strikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still am going to cut him slack.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's only twenty one years old.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's, you know, I'm going to have to get a pitch look for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's as high as we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not like, you know, I still think for a guy that big, he's way ahead of the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hagen Smith, I'm a little, I would say more worried about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look, we knew he wasn't going to come in and pound the strikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: but he's had trouble throwing fastball strikes, he's had trouble throwing sliders strikes to the point where like he hasn't even got in that many like sliders, he's swinging our huge chase pitch and college and he's missed it times like so much that he's not gonna kind of chase his.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like again, it's his first year in pro ball, you know, you're you're adapting, but yeah, I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel pretty like there's no assaults.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best left handed pitching prospect in baseball still.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe I could argue for Thomas White of the Marlins or, you know, if you want to take one of the lefties who just came out of the draft, but like no show is still he's in the discussion.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's right up there with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hagen Smith, to me, like, has moved down that list.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, like, no, like, in my own personal mind, because again, I was organizing guys as we start to do a couple hundred.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had Thomas White, number one lefty, Noah Schultz, number two lefty.
[SPEAKER_02]: I Hagen Smith is number seven lefty, and I have some scouts who probably think that's a little bit too generous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I still think it's just, it hasn't been enough of a sample size to
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, maybe lower and further, Matt, at least in my mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the stuff isn't playing nearly as good as you'd hope.
[SPEAKER_04]: What would you think about either or both of them going to the Arizona Fall League?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because so Shelts is at six, eight and it's pinched.
[SPEAKER_04]: The organization wanted him at like one ten or so and I don't think he's going to be back for three weeks or so.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I died selfishly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will endorse both of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, look at the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and then both kind of fit the profile of like, they missed time, but it's not a serious arm injury.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no surgery involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, they're, they're actually advanced.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to get them ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was going to say, like, with hanging, it feels like a granite, you know, you're pitching every fifth day or every six days that every seventh day and you're pitching more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, as Lossie's been down on both his fastball and slide, he just hasn't looked
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the same guy he's at Arkansas, and you know, with Noah, like I said, I mean, there have been more growing pains issue than the word of first two, but the other thing remember, we triple A and I know Noah got lit up, has gotten lit up a couple times and triple A. The set up for pictures and triple A is so stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you get to triple A, you're step away from the big leagues.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're now going to, like, you don't pitch with the major league ball before you get to triple it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now something you have a different ball, you have to get accustomed to the plays differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're dealing with ABS, which is a smaller strike zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: So actually, okay, hey, you're on the verge of the big leagues.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you have to learn to pitch with a different ball and a smaller strike zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it takes, sometimes it takes guys longer to adjust.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know it's pitch what, a hundred seventy two innings and his pro career before he got there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not with him, it's more I think like a speed bump with Hagen and I'm kind of like, what's going on here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm not horribly concerned, but I'm sure he's just the what exactly is going on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Caleb Bonamer has ascended into the top one hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: You weren't a huge fan of the of the pick last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: What has he done to impress in his first full season other than just, you know, actually seeing this that's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think the two concerns you had on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I wasn't this hot like I wouldn't have necessarily well, I shouldn't say this to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have taken him with white socks didn't give him the bonus he got.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wish he goes to show that I'm not right about all these things all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, people like players differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's not like a jab at anybody, just like if everybody agreed on players, then there wouldn't be any fun that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think the bottomer
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there are times where he would look good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was just a consistent performance on the showcase circuit, even last spring a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's been very consistent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's making really good swing decisions.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's controlling the strike zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not striking out too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got, you know, it's not like he has unbelievable numbers.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's sitting to sixty with a four twenty three slug.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I just popped up on my computer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could see the powers there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could continue to grow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the biggest surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, long term, he's not going to be the shortstop of Billy Carlson, you know, hits because Billy's, you know, like the best defensive shortstop some guys ever seen high school, but he's been a lot better defensively like talking to people with other teams.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we're not feeding killed, got boner for gold, got the short stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I talked a lot of people were like, ah, that guy's definitely third base.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the number is like, wow, he's like, really good at short.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's a lot better than I thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's probably been the even bigger surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you saw, you saw offensive performances?
[SPEAKER_02]: You saw him play very well at certain events.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just wasn't throughout the summer on the showcase circuit or throughout the spring.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they were telling me like, yeah, that looks pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think the defense has been the biggest surprise.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Jim, I was talking about you in our last podcast because you beat us to the punch here.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we really liked Hannah McDougall.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we, you know, we've been impressed with Christian opera too.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think in our update, we usually wait until after the deadline.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think those guys are going to be back at the top ten like white sex system wide for us.
[SPEAKER_04]: You guys have already done it.
[SPEAKER_04]: What went into that decision with those two guys?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so, like, as if we didn't have enough to do in July, we decided, like, since it switched to draft to July in twenty one, it just sucked because we didn't have time to update our top thirty prospects list before the trade deadline, like we always used to in the past, because essentially there's three of us doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Jonathan Mayo and Sam Blacks for myself, and Jonathan I are working full time on the draft for the first half of July at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this year we decided we didn't have time to do a full update before the trade deadline, but we were going to update the top tens.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we were going to, so the top tens, we can do what everyone wanted.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then outside the top ten, you could, we could, you could move guys only if they were going to move up or down ten spots.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if we were making a major move, you could do that, but we weren't just going to like, let's take Samyantanachi and move from from the twenty six to twenty two.
[SPEAKER_02]: It had to be a major move.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think I even did any of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think a poor McDubal, we always didn't have stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, poor was a guy, you know, I think we've talked about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They tried to sign, they were going to take him in the eleventh round out of high school and the ace took him and then didn't meet his asking price.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I went to Chipotle, I think it was Chipotle, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's four junior college, I don't know what it was, track.
[SPEAKER_02]: They went to junior college, they drafted him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was two years ago in the fifth round.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was very raw.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they kind of worked him in slowly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He repeated the complex league.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this year, like his stuff's gotten better, but also his strike thrones got a lot better.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's looked great.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, that was like just recognizing how good he looked.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the same thing with Tender McDougal, who, you know, they took, he was one of the stars of the first draft combine and in two thousand twenty one.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took him in the fifth round, paid him over slot money.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then following, you know, you broke in a pro ball and they blew out almost immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I had Tommy John, came back, missed all twenty two, came back in twenty three.
[SPEAKER_02]: And twenty three twenty four and he showed some of the best stuff in the system.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just never through strikes or didn't throw a lot of strikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, this year, it clicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, both of us got to walk in the guy every other inning.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're not talking great matters here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, those guys have the quality stuff that if they're doing that, they're going to be successful because they're stuck really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, in fact, those guys are both throwing strikes and having success.
[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, you know, outside of the two famous lefties and insults and and Smith are
[SPEAKER_02]: I think pretty clearly the best starting pitch of prospects in the organization.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a pretty easy decision to do.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think McDougal might see the majors just because he, I mean, he's rule five eligible banister kind of likes to put these guys in the bullpen at the end of the year if he can.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I wouldn't be surprised if we see ten or McDougal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe because I guess he has to be fused to be protected on the forty-man after this year, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: For rule five, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, I think that's the only reason why they might do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They might, they might, I mean, again, I mean, we're not, I'm not saying anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of people haven't said it, isn't obvious.
[SPEAKER_02]: What happens in terms of results this year at the big league level, matter, not at all?
[SPEAKER_02]: It should all be about trying to develop guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they think Kendrick Dugel would benefit from getting
[SPEAKER_02]: and innings at September, they're a hundred percent, you call them up.
[SPEAKER_04]: He got a guy that's a little bit further behind them that's, I think, kind of interesting is Matthias Lacone, just, you know, they got him in the same, so they took Jacob Gonzalez in the first round, which, you know, seems like underwhelming right now, but they, you know, they got opera, Wilco, and then Matthias Lacone, like in that same draft, he's at canapolis now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how many innings he can throw or even, you know, whether he'll start long term, but he's, he's been pretty interesting so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, super, I mean, he hadn't pitched before this year because he had lat issues and it's, yeah, I don't know, like they, they monitor, it's not just games you pitch in game, but how many pitches you throw on both ends and various things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I'm starting to hear more, it's not like a hard, like you didn't pitch any last year, so it can only go fifty or whatever the number would be this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: That like this stuff, it's more like how good the stuff looks and, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so I don't know the endings either, but I don't think it's necessarily a hard and fast, like he's only going to pitch fifth in their shut-in down.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, no, I mean, here's the guy they were really interested in, Duke of another Duke of Pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Touch is ninety-seven of this fastball.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the secondary pitches were pretty raw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he had the velocity when they took him out of Cuchy's community college in Arizona, but he didn't have much in-way secondary pitches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like his sliders got a lot better, his sweepers, low eighties,
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's got like a mid-eighties change up and it's got splitter action.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's got the, you know, the low arm slide and the release height and it creates a lot of deception.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's throwing strikes, which he threw a lot of strikes in junior college too.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, I think it's just about what he's about to get him finally in the mountain.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the stuff with like it's playing, it's, you know, three pitch mix.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really, really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's a guy
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have at all my head yet, but like I was telling you like when we updated our list I couldn't move him up unless I moved him up ten spots and I wasn't sure like preparing to do that but like he's twenty seven right now on our list and my guess is he'll probably be I don't know like eighteen to twenty range maybe higher I mean I have a bunch of draft guys to add which will push you guys down but like he's he's pretty interesting
[SPEAKER_04]: It's the last thing I have for you and this will be like informative just for me when we do ours because I'm struggling with some of these guys like you know some of these pictures who the white socks have basically just decided or bullpen guys now right like Peyton Palette and Hiro Eriarte and Wicklman Gonzalez like guys who have ranked
[SPEAKER_04]: in the teens pretty consistently because there was like the chance to start.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now if they're definite relievers, just like what is your thought process like when you go to rank a top authority and like including those guys knowing that they might be like seven thinning guys essentially.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's tough because ideally if you're a farm system, you wouldn't want any relievers on your top thirty unless it's like a late ining guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you'd rather have a bunch of guys you think are going to be starters and
[SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I generally try not to rank.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, the strong in the system, the more I will try to avoid ranking relievers, I will get more lenient as they get closer to the big leagues and are maybe ready to help the big league club.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and that, you know, I mean, palette is in AAA, area arting, because all of us have all pitched in the majors.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, I'll probably rank, but it's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, essentially, and again, I don't think I haven't worked this out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it says tough because Leicom has barely pitched above rookie ball, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's pitched what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Three innings and Abel.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like he's got chance to be a starter.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's pitched three innings and Abel.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, do I take him over or triple a reliever?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like all those guys have good stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like what I take him over, Tyler Schweitzer, who's who's hit the wall a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be like, what do you do with those guys versus the like I have the injured contingent of Blake Larson, one Kerala Kai Bush.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, you rank them ahead of those guys behind them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still am wrestling with that, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tough one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, because like, I mean, some of those guys will try to end saves for the white socks at some point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I do think pain palette could be like a closer on a rebuilding team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps if you throw stuff strikes, but
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm looking at our current list and this will change, but like, like, what do you do with Brian Ramlos at this point?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't know, like William Bergoy is interesting, but like, there's not really any power there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, what is William Bergoy?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, they're all kind of in that mysterious, I don't know what to make a middle ground of the list.
[SPEAKER_02]: If that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, like I like the guys as players, but I just don't know on on a top thirty like where where they should some of these guys should fit in where I think because they're less deep, they probably fit in the teens somewhere for the white socks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the other thing is like what if they make some trades and add some more guys to the system too?
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see.
[SPEAKER_04]: That would that would be helpful.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I could bounce out like twenty six through thirty, that would be good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like we haven't added the draft guys yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I always enjoy being able, like, you know, you look at the draft, like, and Billy Carlson's going to be on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jean Faust, he's going to be on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Coward, he's going to be on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lane Hodge is going to be on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gay Davis is intriguing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll probably put him on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Colby Shelton, maybe, like, Gay Davis Colby Shelton, just depends on when I'm putting the list together.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what what to do, but like, but yeah, I mean, they're gonna have definitely four and maybe six draft guys on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that'll help too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Jim, thank you so much for coming in grace and us with your presence tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate your knowledge and all the, you know, all the hard work that you put in throughout the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great to have you on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to let people know where they can find you and your work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It almost does to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I use my Twitter account, which is Jim Callis MLB.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I will try to link to everything I write as well as other stuff we do at MLB Pipelines.
[SPEAKER_02]: So those are my two main areas.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I will be on coming up in August, twelve, we can, you can, you can watch potential white socks of the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be broadcasting the
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the official name.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's MLB's high school all-star game.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a high school American game.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be Dodger Stadium August twelve.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll be broadcasting that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of next year's draft, how how psyched are you for that already looking into the future here?
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't dove too much into it yet just because we have not slowed down.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we have to draft and we had signings while we were retooling our top tens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Continue to work on the top thirties.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we have trades coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I really haven't dove into it too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do know it's considered a better draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this draft, I know, on the high school side, you know, the white sucks thing should be excited because you aren't, you know, no lottery restrictions.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a chance of number one pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know on the, on the high school side, the two games you hear the most are a couple short stops.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great Emerson and Jacob Lombard, his George Lombard Jr.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yankee prospect, his younger brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the College of Mission Player, Crop is supposed to be a lot better led by Justin Lombron and Alabama.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a lot of, yeah, rocks and other good ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not great that the livestock, the rules could aspire to against the white socks.
[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't pick higher than tenth and they lost bonus pool money and it restricted that they could done more damage without those restrictions.
[SPEAKER_02]: But next year they'll have more ammunition and it will be a better draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't fought through
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we figured out who's going to be on the area code game roster that they're going to take in the second round.
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't seen it yet, but I mean, it's something that I'll definitely do in the lead up is looking at that roster to see who was on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm just trying to think like I haven't looked enough to know who the top guy is, you know, up here in this area that would be on there on their team.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what will we have played time to figure that out because we
[SPEAKER_02]: We know they got to be driving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that is Oklahoma?
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like so that's Sabian Sims kid is kind of interesting, although maybe picking at the very top of the draw.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to find a second rounder and over slot a second rounder.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure who that'll be.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll ask JJ Lally who he likes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't there a really good player?
[SPEAKER_02]: on the north side like I think they're me like one of the Glenbrook Glenbrook yeah Glenbrook north I believe yeah I believe there's also land in to me yeah from NAS well we she just pencil we we know they're drafting him right I mean unless he goes to Tennessee he might go to Tennessee yeah yeah so um yeah there's like I cannot think of the kids names it bass there's there's a kid up here
[SPEAKER_02]: somewhere near me, which again shows you how little I've lived in the northern suburb somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not I think like fifteen minutes away from me, um, who's supposed to be pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so maybe they'd push.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I got to look this name up now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna drive me insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've got to log into my, my, my high school scouting service reports here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on, get a fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I can't figure this out.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on, they'll know a class of twenty six.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: People watching me click on my good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's Ethan Bass at Glenbrook North.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the other one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe later, tell me your Ethan Bass.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should just pencil in to the twenty twenty seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: What sucks for a half.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's highly possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe both.
[SPEAKER_02]: You both.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for your time, Jim.
[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, thanks for hopping on.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, any time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll always enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys do great work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll always enjoy talking to this body as it's a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.