[SPEAKER_01]: No worries.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, that's why I got it up on mine, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: You always got to do that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of us is always going, did you start recording?
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that is the key thing that we ask each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you start recording?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you, did you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, did you hear that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I heard that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about this one?
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now everybody is doing Lonnie's voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I heard that, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I laughed about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Bella never heard it, so I actually played it for her today.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she played it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not the opening, but the going into commercials, because that's when she says the politics book.
[SPEAKER_03]: The politics book.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she just started laughing, so.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Lonnie says, as soon as you're being made fun of, it means you're doing it right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm fine with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, he's doing, he's doing a great job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got no worries with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's freaking fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: All righty, are you ready?
[SPEAKER_03]: I am sir.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, no key coming down in five four three
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Monday.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know this because you've been up early and you've been on five thousand three hundred and eighty seven shows.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I've been on too so far.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is number three.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know I exaggerate that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not as I'm not the Ryan C. Crest of radio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_01]: That man does work extremely.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be Allison Gil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she does too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not a lot of people work hard, but you know, you have been working hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you have been working hard as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for coming in and joining us here at the politics bar this evening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for listening to us wherever you happen to be getting this show from whether it's WCPT AM a twenty inch Chicago or AM nine fifty Minneapolis Saint Paul have an America one radio in Atlanta or the detour talk radio in the Tri-City's area of Tennessee or progressive voices radio worldwide or hey.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could be listening from the future on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now we have a second podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we got podcasts all over the place.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got we got that extra one that we do sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we we've started to add in the after hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: That that is for as we're closing up the bar sometime.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of our guests just love to hang out and still want to chat a little bit and you know, you don't want to literally push them out the door and be like, get out, but you know, so although I I do have a good good story about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I bet no, I used to do what Paul Poundstone now says is a cold opening.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would just start recording on my old show like while we were talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I would play the same song and they're like, were you recording?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good to do if you're recording a podcast or if you're recording an interview, it's good to get people natural and comfortable.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're wanting to have somewhere close like a block or a retail space, clear my throat there because so this is a real, this is a real story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, my wife and I both used to work at a target store.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, that French store that I don't go to anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the time, at the time we were there, we were at the time we were in Lincoln, Nebraska, and there were two Tarshe stores.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had one.
[SPEAKER_01]: that was kind of in a not so great area of town that was known colloquially hard word to say as Targetto.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other one was known as boutique Tarjet because that was in the wealthier area of town.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you knew which target store you were talking about with the Targetto or boutique Tarjet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we were working at boutique Tarjet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was like a winter storm and this woman comes in
[SPEAKER_01]: Right about as a storage closing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking, you know, five minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of managers have gone, they send other people home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy, he, he was tasked with closing the store.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he was an actual manager, but he was, you know, because he lived close.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got the keys.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's basically because, dude, you live closest or anybody else does.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, you know, the blizzard and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going what the hell?
[SPEAKER_01]: So this woman, you know, they do the announcements or at least they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they still do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, they do the, it is now, thirty minutes until your target store is closing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please bring your items to the front.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was doing these kind of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, ten minutes, five minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just ten PM were target stores now closed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the woman still kept shopping.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the one, the register shut down after I believe it's like, twenty five or thirty minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is very common for most retail places in America.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it includes some bars where the software is set up where it closes down because that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say somebody just forgot they, you know, they jet they claimed at the bar and they're gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: It closes down so that somebody can't come and see the computer open and start.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to send this to my back account, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a safety thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Safety protocols.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so he's still this woman still shopping.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's nine out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's ten on five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your store has been closed for five minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's ten fifteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your store has been closed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, this storm is still raging.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't leave until every customer has.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, of course, not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because you can't trust it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it gets to tenth that ten twenty five because I think the computer's closed down to ten thirty or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets to ten twenty five.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, this is ten twenty five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your target store has been closed for twenty five minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get your and get the hell out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and only he didn't, you know, he actually said the word.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I'm sure he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got in trouble for that, but you know, the woman comes up and's like, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like the computer's close in five minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to check you out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_09]: What was she thinking?
[SPEAKER_01]: People don't think about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people do not think about other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They think only of themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: There, there are a lot of people, especially in the US, but in a lot of places around the world who are very, very selfish.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't think of other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, we talk about that with modern Republicans, the mega Republicans especially.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not just in cases like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also about it is expressed in ways big and small.
[SPEAKER_01]: The big news stuff that happened yesterday evening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you were still paying attention to some of the stuff that was going on in the background of I.
[SPEAKER_01]: When it shootings, I tend not to want to talk about it until afterwards, uh, wait, you've got the facts.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, more and that's why, like this morning when I saw we hadn't learned a lot yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, he's going to get the better news about the guy in New York and then there was Reno shooting and then there's no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's just that there were there were four different shootings, four different mass shootings, a mass shooting is when four or more people are shot, not necessarily killed before more people are shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were, well, as you can see, if you subscribe to the news on tap at the politicsbar.com, remember the news on tap is free.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get that in your email box, that way you check and you make sure you haven't missed the headlines.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was the five people, the four dead plus the shooter who shot himself in Midtown Manhattan.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was the shooting in Reno, Nevada with the casino, three dead, and others were injured.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was the shooting in Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ten injured one dead and the shooting into choice one dead three hospital.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just one day.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody else who who listens to this show, thanks, Cam.
[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was was like freaking out because she's been in the media too and she's been in PR and saying, you know, why are they covering the New York shooting so much?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I said last night.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, New York, but it's New York-based media.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's New York.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not New York's organizations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where a lot of the national, that's where most of the national media is out of.
[SPEAKER_01]: But not only that, this shooting was walking distance from there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was walking distance for most of the studios in Manhattan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was in the town.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: right exactly so it's it's local and you know but it's also it was one of the high rises forty four story office building whatever you don't get somebody picking up an m four and walking in there and killing people that is not yes there's a lot of places and now that's one of them that's on the list but
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is all of the details that they're apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like this guy might have been a high school football player believes he got CTE.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right in the NFL headquarters were in the building where he was.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he shot himself in the chest so that they would check his brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That kid was messed up for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not an excuse.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, Chris, it's a reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not an excuse.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, but there was a football, he played for the chargers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's, there's been a lot of football play.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he killed himself with a shotgun in the chest.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get his name.
[SPEAKER_03]: God rest his soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't go on a shooting rampage to kill other people, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, but there have been a lot of them that have been caused about.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see if you get into a horrible thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm a football fan, but I'm getting less and less.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then there's the guy who is in Michigan, who stabbed eleven people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, some people, kind of, I've covered this for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to, the first time I worked with Randy, when the Sandy Hook shooting happened, and I used to write the articles for her website there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wrote an article that I believe the trace or somebody else's sense adapted to basically a shorthand sheet of how the media should should deal with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was for years it was used by national media people.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did see the traffic and there'd always be any time there's a shooting there would be a spike to that page even though it was two and three and four years later.
[SPEAKER_01]: People go into it because they're like, you know, how do we deal with this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, somebody already wrote a, wrote a primer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're welcome, but
[SPEAKER_01]: the way that we deal with a lot of this stuff, especially these shootings.
[SPEAKER_01]: So our listener came with saying, you know, what's what, you know, why are they doing this?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, first of all, you don't really realize how short so many of the news organizations are in this country.
[SPEAKER_01]: News organizations that used to have, you know, a dozen people, half dozen people have two.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking broadcast organizations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're not talking, you know, like Potunkville.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking like decent sized cities.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have almost nobody.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the first thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not many people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second, there is far too many shootings to cover them all at that level anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Third, if you're going to cover the shootings at that kind of level, one of the reasons you do it is in part to try to get public motivation and public sentiment to look, there's gotta be some changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're gonna do it responsibly, you need to say, these are the things that were wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: This event happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what was wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, after Sandy Hook, we did nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and these were six year olds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've done barely, but eighty to ninety percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Joe Walsh was was mad about that and he was saying all the left is using this to try to push Morgan laws and the right is using it for some weird thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, no, no, I said, Joe, I said, I think this was on threads.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, Joe, I said, that's not it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, and you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, you're just angry, but I said, look, it's not about Morgan laws.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about
[SPEAKER_01]: existing gun laws.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's about better accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about more efficient and effective gun safety laws.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the worst laws.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about gun safety laws.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is always the key because it's not about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about how you handle it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you do and depending on which polls you look at, it's eighty to ninety percent overwhelmingly most gun owners want better gun safety laws.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and in the fact that this kid who obviously was not
[SPEAKER_03]: mentally well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was able to buy an M four.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a military gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had a he had a permit for a concealed carry weapon as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the I mean, yeah, it's look, I've said this before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I joked about this in the bar and elsewhere before that everybody knows a bugher, especially gun owners known a quote unquote bugher.
[SPEAKER_01]: The person who you don't trust them to tie their shoes and not eff it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want them to have a gun because you wouldn't trust them to set the table.
[SPEAKER_01]: They put the spoon on the wrong side.
[SPEAKER_01]: You grab and pick up and stab yourself in the face with a fork.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, everybody knows a view for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of the reasons that a lot of gun owners want better, more effective gun safety loss.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the NRA used to want that.
[SPEAKER_01]: they used to back when they actually cared about those kinds of things before they were just a lobbying arm for the good and that's all they are anymore and it's just it's this is why this country the first world country has these kinds of death all the time exactly and it's and and you know so when people ask why
[SPEAKER_01]: I often times will any time I get a list of things like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just just titled the list another day that ends in wine.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see that today in the news on tap because it's not a day that ends in why the letter.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a day that ends in why the question.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all know the answer to the question folks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that this is not.
[SPEAKER_01]: It ain't that hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: which of course brings us to the other why, which is also kind of, it's a touchy subject.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't, we didn't touch it right off the bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got some touchy subjects that we're gonna be talking about tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we've got some fantastic people that we are living into the bar as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of those people is Mr. Cliff Shector.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe also Pete Dominic coming in a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cliff coming up here, whenever he gets here to the bar, you know, next minute or two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I should be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it's Ohio.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I think these things a little bit different when they come in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll get Cliff into the bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about more than news on tap, including yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be talking about the word genocide.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just something you have to deal with because that's just the way it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some better news on tap.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some fun news in entertainment.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some good stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, we got the drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Tuesday night.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got plenty of news.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got good people with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get some to sip and hang out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get you through the rest of the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Jody Hamilton and me, Sean Smith Pierce.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get another round.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back after we'd pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tuesday night after politics bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got Climpshector coming in all the way from Ohio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cleveland, I believe in my correct on that one, Cliff.
[SPEAKER_10]: It starts with a sea so you're close.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's Cincinnati.
[SPEAKER_10]: But all the cities in Ohio start with seas.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I'm just, I don't know why we couldn't get more creative here.
[SPEAKER_10]: Maybe that's why we moved for Trump.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you said it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have to thankfully.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a good I have a good friend who he lives in Tau's now he used to be a from Ohio originally and he's always like Ohio's a great place to be from.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's young sound.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm not from.
[SPEAKER_10]: I would argue from my time here that Cincinnati is a fantastic place to live.
[SPEAKER_10]: The city got pro sports.
[SPEAKER_10]: He got the arts as good as any East Coast or West Coast city.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, the same thing with five star restaurants.
[SPEAKER_10]: The problem is when you leave the three seas as we call them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: then you're in farmland on the western part that looks a lot like Indiana.
[SPEAKER_10]: And Appalachian mountains and you shouldn't part that look a lot like West Virginia and they vote those ways too and there's too many of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: As House Barks has said, anytime you go, fifteen minutes outside of the major city, you're effectively in rural Kentucky.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's not necessarily even here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's true.
[SPEAKER_10]: I tried to explain it to people like growing up in New York City.
[SPEAKER_10]: There are parts of Long Island that I went to where.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, you know, what the things wrong with you people, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: Everybody's racist is anybody you would have encountered in Mississippi.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I am, and I am sure, you know, since since you grew up in New York, obviously news on tap today is been, it's been heavy cliff.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the big things that we, we led with today is the.
[SPEAKER_01]: there's no other way to say it's the genocide that's going on right now in Gaza.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, not only did we look it up
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is by dictionary definition and legal definition.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you, you dealt with legal stuff many times over the years, but dictionary definition first Oxford English section dictionary says quote, the definition says the definition of genocide is quote, the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that's, that's, you know, can I say, what's been really hard for me about all this for me is as somebody who is not all religious, but is Jewish, that's my background.
[SPEAKER_10]: is, and so it's been really hard for me to use that term because so often, for so long, Jews were accused of genocide of Christian babies, drinking Christian, a lot of Christian babies, which is where I think that Q and on, it was an anti-Spiracy came from, I think that that's part of the reasoning behind the religious right, bringing up abortion as an issue, because it's very hard wired into so many people about liberal, or leadists eating babies,
[SPEAKER_10]: And, you know, this was used to mass murder and pogroms that led my family into this country.
[SPEAKER_10]: I resisted this for so long, and I argued with the people who, who, and, you know, and you can tell the difference between people that are just good human beings and anti-Semites is that right after there are the people that reacted right after October, seven, they're just like, nope, Jews don't, you don't have a right to defend yourselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_10]: got to me on the level that nothing had since nine eleven.
[SPEAKER_10]: I was in New York and saw the second plane hit and I felt like that same gut punch of some people who I thought were friends and whatever are reacting in a way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: But the problem here is that, and so I'm going to defend regular Israelis unless everybody wants to blame everybody in the United States for Donald Trump and say that we're all evil.
[SPEAKER_10]: But BB Nanyahu is a war criminal.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's an evil.
[SPEAKER_10]: Rimmittal just pickable like I could go on on.
[SPEAKER_10]: He is Donald Trump, but of Israel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you hear what he said yesterday?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sirs.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I heard a. Let me say that.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I'm which which particular let me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me let me play this because this this was this was off the chain.
[SPEAKER_07]: There is no policy of starvation in Gaza.
[SPEAKER_07]: And there is no starvation in Gaza.
[SPEAKER_10]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's saying those, I mean, and you're blocking aid from getting to people when you're, it's like, I was so torn, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: And some folks, you guys know, well, Malcolm, man, and whatever we come on, he would defend right afterwards, what Israelis were doing, because they had to eliminate Hamas, proportion, response is fine.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I, I am not a, I will never defend the killing of civilians ever, it's horrific.
[SPEAKER_10]: But I understood and argued that, you know, the problem is what do you do when Hamas is hiding, but you know, under school and under hospitals.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I don't know the best answer that I'm going to warfare.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Golda could have done better.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think, almost anybody could have done better than BB.
[SPEAKER_10]: So he's hurt with that.
[SPEAKER_10]: But, but, you know, I mean, they had to respond.
[SPEAKER_10]: They had to, too.
[SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_10]: They could eliminate the tunnels and yet they need to bomb that much civilian infrastructure.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_10]: They did.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I just don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not going to, but what I do so in certain with I am a certain that they didn't and I think you and I probably agree on that.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know what I'm certain of is they don't need to be doing it now, especially now for months now.
[SPEAKER_10]: So it was very difficult for me back then because I have two imperatives.
[SPEAKER_10]: One is a humanitarian and one is somebody who also realizes I come from a group where I look, I've
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, I'm even growing up in New York, even being of the ages that we're in.
[SPEAKER_10]: Like, I've been called all of those names.
[SPEAKER_10]: I've been, I've dealt with anti-Semitism in numerous places.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, you know, of people dehumanizing me and, and, and I think about my boys and how much I would
[SPEAKER_10]: Bill or dive for my two sons and they're having to grow up with that.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I had that versus my God, you know, killing civilians and all of that.
[SPEAKER_10]: And even if you're getting Hamas, isn't there another way you can do it?
[SPEAKER_10]: And I tried to listen to experts like Malcolm, but he said the same thing now, whatever, you know, whatever had to maybe be done then none of this crap needs to be
[SPEAKER_03]: not now.
[SPEAKER_10]: Now you're just, you're just BB and now is been caught on on Mike before probably on purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're saying absolutely racist, dehumanizing, saying that and and even even Donald Trump who has been BBs.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, toy, puppet, whatever is now for Trump to say, well, I don't know, but I think maybe the start of the starving kids were a problem, what you're like, okay, well, I guess that's movement for you, dude, but you know, two of the biggest humanitarian groups in Israel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yesterday agreed that it's uh uh genocide the former Israeli attorney general Michael Brown is really prime minister.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He talked about that yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's calling for the people in the streets to get out there until they push net and Yahoo out.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, that's the problem as you realize at some point that Yahoo is doing the exact same thing Donald Trump is doing.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yep, because for the extension also is a criminal and they also seem to have some stupid rule like we do, which don't get me started on how it doesn't appear in the Constitution or fall, you know, now the Supreme Court, we waited to the Supreme Court got around the immunity thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: But for a long time, we were just listening to some opinion from a lawyer under Nixon for
[SPEAKER_10]: I can say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry, it's bleeped.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, the Attorney General's office, like, as if that mattered that we couldn't prosecute a president, which feels a lot like a king to me.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, Israel has the same rule because it's insane.
[SPEAKER_10]: So he will, when you realize that the imperative is like in Trump's case, it's to never be accountable for your
[SPEAKER_10]: crimes against your regular crimes, your crimes against your constitution and your crimes against humanity, you will then try to stay in power by any means necessary.
[SPEAKER_10]: So he will divide, there's an impetus from to keep bombing and dividing people.
[SPEAKER_10]: getting the mind of eating that y'all, which is a dangerous place.
[SPEAKER_10]: He probably likes it that the missile shoot back and he wants the attacks to be dead because he will come to his side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then yeah, Netanyahu does because of the way that they have things set up for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way that things are set up for Netanyahu.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, he gets to stay in power so long as they are at war.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is one of the reason that he went and he picked that fight with him.
[SPEAKER_10]: Of course, right.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, this is like we're, or well, he had now, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: We've always been at war with East Asia.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, exactly.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, as long as he can do that, and it's the same thing as long as Trump, you Trump, you know, it was for a while was his, his other very, it's, it's vast, other criminal.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the reasons, it's one of the reasons that, that I know that this, this stuff with,
[SPEAKER_01]: And Maxwell has so rattled the Trump base because to them it wasn't it wasn't just about kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't just about pedophiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although they that's how they pushed it off to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the fact that that
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been screwed and you've lived in a lot of places you've seen this especially with your work with with Democratic politicians with Democratic media trying to get people like to try to get good Democrats elected where you saw that that
[SPEAKER_01]: People in a lot of places in the country for, you know, since going back to nineteen eighty really feel like they've been left behind feel like they've been screwed by the perfect year by the way, because oh, God, yes.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I argue everywhere, everybody, you know, I mean Trump is, yes, he's horrific, the whole thing on steroids.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's a manifestation of what they created.
[SPEAKER_10]: But that you can't get here without regular railroad, which is my favorite thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: One of my favorite things I've ever written just because it was so because it was came so much from my heart, which was about the differences.
[SPEAKER_10]: And again, I've lived in Europe spend a lot of time there.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was even more noticeable this time when we were in Italy for ten days.
[SPEAKER_10]: How happy I saw that were, how relaxed they were, how, you know, and it's just, I mean, everybody here is like walking around.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're just expecting a bottle of chocolate.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing some good work over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing some good work over it, Blamp.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that makes you wrote about trying to, you know, having some difficulty coming home, it's understandable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it is something, it is a commonality.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's being shared across the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, look, there are a lot of things that a lot of us, especially on the left have said that we don't have in common with MAGA, but
[SPEAKER_01]: They saw Trump as the guy who was going to punch in the face.
[SPEAKER_01]: The people who they feel have been punching them in the face for fifty years.
[SPEAKER_03]: He went on a Bernie Sanders tirade.
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, he was he.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: He, Donald, when he ran.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all about Bernie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he says he tried he and his political advisors basically tried to pick off some of the populist ideas.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I, you know, I mean, I hate to order stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I hate to order stuff because I mean, it's not establishment.
[SPEAKER_10]: But anti mainstream as what I would say because the mainstream mainstream and I call it corporate or monopoly media.
[SPEAKER_10]: It wasn't working for anybody.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: mainstream institutions.
[SPEAKER_01]: True.
[SPEAKER_10]: There's a lot of goals have become so corrupt.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, mainstream, and it comes to mainstream entertainment in so many ways as being, you know, like there's still a lot of great stuff out there, but some of the is just the lowest base garbage, but the problem here is, again, go back to the nineteen eighty when you revolve your culture around two things.
[SPEAKER_10]: How much money you make and how hard you work and those are the things you brag about these kids as I wrote in that piece who I graduated from college with you are like love an investment bank or I work a hundred twenty hours a week as if that was fucking cool right unlike I'd like to sleep a hundred twenty hours a week I don't know why you're you know like like it's a cool to work a hundred hours what you doing what you doing with your life do you have a hobby do you have a
[SPEAKER_10]: They don't like to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're wondering the sense of those people who, you know, those are the people who they took.
[SPEAKER_01]: They took from, they took from the people in rural America.
[SPEAKER_10]: They took from people in some, well, because it wasn't because what they knew when they did that, you know, they made money.
[SPEAKER_10]: And that's how private equity comes about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great is good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great is good.
[SPEAKER_10]: I had that in my piece on, you know, I wrote two pieces.
[SPEAKER_10]: One of them is on how we looked a fuck of a lot like Rome right before.
[SPEAKER_10]: And you know, because that's what they would quote, they quote, the greed is good thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: They loved all of that and it was just like
[SPEAKER_10]: If you can't enjoy what we create, if you can enjoy, you know, the leisure time we spend, if you can enjoy, stay out of a nice cafe on a nice day having a cup of coffee with friends.
[SPEAKER_10]: If everything is just about how hard you work and I forgot there's a third component, how much money you make and here's the real one.
[SPEAKER_10]: much you consume.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, because that's all we're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_10]: Go to Walmart and buy every piece of plastic sheet that they have to offer that you don't need.
[SPEAKER_10]: And our belief is changing.
[SPEAKER_10]: Reagan and those guys have changed all of that.
[SPEAKER_10]: And yeah, alluded to our culture with it and we've never recovered.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm a hundred percent, but here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of these people believe that Trump was going to punch the bad guys in the face.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The key about the, the Epstein thing for the manga world is that they feel betrayed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, uh, uh, this was, I believe yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, this was Rogan on his show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and well, here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here, well, uh, uh, the pro versus getting pissed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, yeah, here we play play play this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: A line in the sand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one's a line in the sand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this is one where there's a lot of stuff about
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when we thought Trump was going to come in and there a lot of things are going to be resolved.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to drain the swamp, you're going to figure everything out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you have this one hardcore line this sand that everybody's been talking about forever, and then they're trying to gaslight you on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's he's he's pissed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's lost Joe.
[SPEAKER_10]: And he and he again, there's a couple of those voices.
[SPEAKER_10]: There's more than a broken meat reaches a ton of people even though he's as nutty as a two dollar bill.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, like Alex Jones reaches a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a professional in media like the rest of us here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's not somebody who has done that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get his but the key that the key is really that the fact that they see
[SPEAKER_01]: They see Trump and they see the elites that are around Trump and the deal with Trump as a fraud.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they realize that they've been had.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is, you know, it's now now they're going to be more open to actually seeing the facts, which is a good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where we got to talk about media stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to talk about more of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you hang around for another round, please?
[SPEAKER_10]: unless you kick me out of the bar, which is happening with my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not tonight, not tonight at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: We keep Cliff Shector here in the bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Jody, it's me Sean and it's Cliff, get yourself another round and hang out with those little bit longer.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about media stuff and politics as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Elections coming up hang on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We do we have some people in Ukraine listening to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they better media than we do for a lot of reasons.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is a topic.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'll just say quickly.
[SPEAKER_10]: I have to.
[SPEAKER_10]: There's a guy here who's here because my grandfather is a six month old came over from Odessa.
[SPEAKER_10]: So you guys hang in there.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is, there is something though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Europe does this very well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, number of other places in the world do this well.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some some South and Central American countries.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them not so great, but some of them that do a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm some Asian countries.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do media regulation, real crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we just do it's garbage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, your new media venture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blue app has been doing very well on sub-stack.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do a lot of live streams.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do a lot of great writing that you do up there as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a link in the guest section in our news on tap today to your blue app and people can go there.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's one of those things where because you used to work in different corners of the media and you have done this for so long.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about this outside of the bar before the three of us and
[SPEAKER_01]: It's come up a lot lately where a lot of younger people and even some older people are like, you know, screw the legacy media, screw the establishment media and I'm like, I get it, but they're like, you know, we need to do, we need to go to creators and influencers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some people are not about the influencers, but they like the creators.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a semantics thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my thought is I get it that we need something new, but whether it's a creator or an influencer, Bob Smith on the bus,
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't hold a goddamn bit of any type of value to me as a news consumer, because I don't know who Bob Smith is.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only reason Jim Jim Acosta joy read.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're both on Substack.
[SPEAKER_01]: They both have just Katy Fang.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know them because they were in establishment media first.
[SPEAKER_01]: right either guess and then they had shows or they were long-term journalists or like joy they were involved in politics and media and then became a host.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've gotten to know these people so we understand their integrity.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Bob Smith on the bus.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't freaking know that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea who that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a creator.
[SPEAKER_10]: So what I would say to you, um, you have that in a universe of creators.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, again, you played somebody earlier.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, why Joe Rogan when he was on a news radio show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think it was actor before.
[SPEAKER_10]: But Rogan is popular because he thinks like an average American guy.
[SPEAKER_10]: I hate to say it.
[SPEAKER_10]: So the same kind of dumb things, I mean, it's just true, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: The same kinds of things were guy like, I don't know about those vaccines or but he, you know, he says out loud what a lot of regular not so brilliant and not so well educated.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but I'm just, I don't know how to put it.
[SPEAKER_10]: People that don't know science that well, would say, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, but I don't understand those people don't understand the power and the responsibility.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: So what I'm saying to you is we have it in both places, because the one thing you can say, and again, mainstream media, legacy media, whatever you want to call, was never perfect.
[SPEAKER_10]: But in fact, racist, sexist, it excluded all sorts of people on the past.
[SPEAKER_10]: But at least in the past, when, right, at least in the past when Kronkeye or people like that were on there, you knew there were people there.
[SPEAKER_10]: There's a guy like this who lived next door to me here, sadly passed away, who, you know, when they had a, a, a, a, a Cincinnati inquire office in, because they used to cover everything, right, in the middle town.
[SPEAKER_10]: The place that J.D.
[SPEAKER_10]: Vance is from that claims as an Appalachian, but it's not.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, like he made his way up from those local offices to eventually being like the head news guy at the same choir.
[SPEAKER_10]: That's how you made it back that difference now is as you can become famous for some completely other reason.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: And then you become a mainstream media star.
[SPEAKER_10]: And as far as I'm concerned, like, you know, what do you know about what does, I mean, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_10]: What does Joe Scarborough know about the news business?
[SPEAKER_10]: He went directly there from being cars.
[SPEAKER_10]: You'd argue, okay, you did public policy, maybe you know something.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's probably better than some of the other folks.
[SPEAKER_10]: I would say.
[SPEAKER_10]: But now look at your bio.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now he's been trained.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would just mean that's what I say about Rogan too is is Rogan, he was an actor before and he's done this and a stand a comic and right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying anything.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm just saying.
[SPEAKER_10]: always look at who you're listening to, whether it's in mainstream, or whether it's creators.
[SPEAKER_10]: My issue with mainstream media, such as it is, why I call it corporate or monopoly media, is it's now a different beast, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: entities, only ninety percent of what you watch, see, play, also games.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, they're in everything, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: And so when you see a place like, you see someone like Paramount, Fire, Stephen Cober, you say to yourself, okay, why are they doing that?
[SPEAKER_10]: Is that the CBS upset with him?
[SPEAKER_10]: Is Nickelodeon upset with him?
[SPEAKER_10]: Is it because of the Skydance merger?
[SPEAKER_10]: Turns out it's probably because of that.
[SPEAKER_10]: Is it because of Lionsgate?
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, if I sit here, I think enough.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I don't disagree with any different entities that are under this umbrella.
[SPEAKER_10]: How can you honestly report on anything when virtually everything you say is going to be a conflict of interest?
[SPEAKER_10]: And when you're such a big monopoly that you have that you never have to worry that your consumers are going to walk away because they have no choices.
[SPEAKER_10]: Now, they're starting to get them with independence, but before you don't have to worry about how you treat your workers, where are they going to go?
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, I mean, monopolies are essentially the corporate form of communism, which I thought we hated, which is there's no competition.
[SPEAKER_10]: There's no worrying about transparency or accountability.
[SPEAKER_10]: And you can do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure they did.
[SPEAKER_10]: Did you do America?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and they're with the merger with Paramount and Skydance.
[SPEAKER_03]: They literally are having a guy check CBS news to make sure it comports with what Donald wants.
[SPEAKER_10]: She would have been saying, like, I hope that you call yourself news broadcast.
[SPEAKER_10]: You can't predict it all of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to work.
[SPEAKER_10]: Network.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's never predicted all of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You write exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Network the movie was a huge predictor of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the freedom of the press foundation has filed a disciplinary complaint against FCC chair, Brendan Carr, alleging ethics violation, which they've already pretty straight on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're seeking sanctions, including his legal disbarment because he's a lawyer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also go through.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's not going to, but the FCC is broken because of how they, how we, and I don't disagree with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is one of the reasons why for years that I have argued for in the media itself, in the media industry, the news media industry specifically, the subset of the greater media industry that there should be enforceable standards and practices.
[SPEAKER_01]: There should be what the government we don't want the government to join but we should have enforceable standards and practices for the industry itself and say if you can't do that it doesn't mean that it doesn't mean that you can't go out there like Joe Rogan and you know puke your words all over the air and and you know whatever that's fine but you're not going to be considered news
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, other nations where they've got regulations like this, you get people who who've had political discussions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know because I talked to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you have, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you talk with these people and then you ask them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So somebody will come in and say, Oh, well, I got this from news of the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Early takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: People go, right, and people go, whatever.
[SPEAKER_10]: Or what was your name?
[SPEAKER_10]: Tera Reed, who ended up shockingly moving to Russia, because I never knew she was a Putin plan.
[SPEAKER_10]: I point this out.
[SPEAKER_10]: Look, A, A, and a Nazi.
[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, went into, went up to a, as you know, in Buffalo, a black supermarket with the full intention based on white replacement theory of shooting as many African Americans as he could and he did.
[SPEAKER_10]: Murderist piece of something I won't say because you guys are on broadcast.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, and out of that, as I, I use this example again and again, there were only two people that were, that were, they got in trouble with the law because of that.
[SPEAKER_10]: And a nineteen year old in the United Kingdom.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: There's a United Kingdom spreading conspiracies and online and trying to convince people to go commit acts of violence is against the law.
[SPEAKER_10]: to say, in Germany, you can't show a Nazi symbol yet they still have freedom of speech there.
[SPEAKER_10]: In France, you can't stand up and encourage a terrorist group to commit terrorist acts in large rallies.
[SPEAKER_10]: They will arrest you and yet they still have freedom of speech there.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: We can become in the freedom of speech on the mentalists where we do not read there's freedom of speech, Brian Keram, who went to jail for time here in the bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's great.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, he went to jail four times, I believe, to protect sources.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I think he's a pretty good credible witness on this to the exact same thing.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's like, this information isn't free speech.
[SPEAKER_10]: It undermines free speech.
[SPEAKER_10]: It undermines the first amendment.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I think Brian used to you to non regulate us at all, and it destroys our democracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Brian's done some stuff for you at Blueham, Passney.
[SPEAKER_10]: He has.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's written some guest pieces because I love him.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's brilliant.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's hard hitting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get him back in the bar here, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, that's the issue is is that whether I am, you know, corporate media or I am a creator, you should always say to yourself, you need to know who somebody is where they're coming from before you listen to what they say.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I attack corporate media because of its corporate ownership and the fact that they won't cover things and conflicts of interest.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just because they're trying away from the genocide thing, they've been so shy away from that because they're like, oh, it's tricky.
[SPEAKER_01]: And people don't like kids being sick and amaciated.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, they don't want, I mean, it's absteen frankly makes better television.
[SPEAKER_10]: And in this one case, we're lucky that that makes because it may stop Trump, not that it shouldn't be covering the other things too.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: But my point is just because corporations don't own
[SPEAKER_10]: or at least we find out they do sometimes own creators, if they're on the right and they're owned by the Russians, like very Johnson.
[SPEAKER_10]: But most of the time, just because they don't own us, doesn't mean we must be pure.
[SPEAKER_10]: There are some of us who are making stuff up for money that are anti-vax because, you know, it makes us money to weave conspiracies.
[SPEAKER_10]: So you should always pay attention to who is the source?
[SPEAKER_10]: Where did they get their information from?
[SPEAKER_10]: What's the context have I trusted them in the past?
[SPEAKER_10]: Have they been honest in the past and given me a reason to trust them now?
[SPEAKER_10]: Yep, that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is one of the reasons we wanted to have you back, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is the exact conversation that Jody and I wanted to have with you just because we knew we kind of knew, you know, where you're at on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause like you're you're a trustworthy person.
[SPEAKER_01]: You, you want trustworthy sources too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you're able to find that line between, you know, all corporates are bad and all creators are bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's exactly the line.
[SPEAKER_10]: Listen there.
[SPEAKER_10]: I try to say there are some folks within corporate media.
[SPEAKER_10]: Right.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I don't know if you call it that, but fill it up in choir or lucky enough to be owned by a foundation.
[SPEAKER_10]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_10]: Private foundation.
[SPEAKER_10]: They were the only ones, you know, I say this again and again.
[SPEAKER_10]: And I have, that's one of the only ones I have a subscription to because I speak with my money.
[SPEAKER_10]: I am subscribed from the other time as the Washington Post, all of those places, but I subscribe to the choir.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I have to go.
[SPEAKER_10]: So I'll see.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're good.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, look, they called the truth.
[SPEAKER_10]: They called for Trump to get out after the debate versus Biden because Trump was a liar.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do a hundred percent correct on that clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to hang around with us for one more round, you sir.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't hear.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_03]: See, you have a different drink today.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will get to the drink of the day coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will have more news on tap and we do have Pete Talman at coming into the bar as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at yourself, a fresh end up drink.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go take care of yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just make sure you aim because, you know, we aim to please you aim to please.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is Tuesday night at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on back in a couple minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hang on.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_09]: Politico.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is Tuesday night here at the politics bar and we held quipshector over for another round.
[SPEAKER_03]: We actually hogtied him so he can't leave.
[SPEAKER_10]: I said when I was eighteen I tried I went to a bar in New York because New York didn't care right.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know if I should be telling the story.
[SPEAKER_10]: Don't do this.
[SPEAKER_08]: Don't do this kid.
[SPEAKER_08]: Kids don't do this.
[SPEAKER_10]: Don't do this.
[SPEAKER_10]: Very seriously don't do this.
[SPEAKER_10]: They tried the high goal is to do each shot to Tequila because I was eating
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm really glad that I lived and I'm really glad that after about eleven or so.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't remember what happened.
[SPEAKER_10]: I got the friend of the bar and so that went home and puked in my rug.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm just saying kids and don't do the same thing that clicks stupid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I did the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I told Sean about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: What a week last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a week or two ago that we were telling stories about how we were, you know, completely drunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have been blackout drunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally blackout drunk once.
[SPEAKER_01]: I told that story.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you missed it is in the podcast at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_10]: I just try to tell people it's only funny that story now because I didn't die.
[SPEAKER_10]: exactly same with me so don't do it because it is if because some people may have I might have and I've been quite a nice decent period of chunk of life since I've really enjoyed so and hopefully maybe made a little bit of a difference in it so don't you have learned you have learned since then cliff that it's not necessarily about quantity it's about quality
[SPEAKER_10]: And it's exactly what I've learned.
[SPEAKER_10]: Actually, give me a little bit of Casa Amigos Blanco, like give me a nice little on on the rocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, if you, if you, if you need to, and it's a happy man.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have not read, it was it was one of our first week guests.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, I've known literally since high school, Ted Genoese has a fantastic book.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is called Tequila Wars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jose Cuervo and the bloody struggle for the spirit of Mexico.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got it sitting right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a fantastic book.
[SPEAKER_10]: I didn't know it, and I now have to get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did it get it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is totally worth it if you like to kill him.
[SPEAKER_10]: Eventually you brought up the sub stack and you know it was to nail down what I think is most crucial and obviously what I've spent a lot of my life doing which is politics and what I'm passionate about.
[SPEAKER_10]: But there's at least another issues
[SPEAKER_10]: You should rock and roll music as Jody knows because he helped us get behind the stage behind the backstage being my older son who's a rocker.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know with some really cool rock stars and I love Amy.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_10]: It was just Amy.
[SPEAKER_10]: Amy is still a rock star.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_10]: Faster pussycat.
[SPEAKER_10]: That after that scene in what do you call it?
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, please make her.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yes, with him dancing or
[SPEAKER_10]: around the house of pain.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I text to Tammy that day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will have to get you Ted's contact information because Ted is somebody who you would it would be great to have him over.
[SPEAKER_10]: I love to talk about it because I'm where you will.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're going to have verticals as we hopefully expand.
[SPEAKER_10]: We've gotten big enough.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know that I hope to do that and to Kila is going to be one of the topics.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, then you were going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the definitive intro of to Kila definitive history.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you got to put little Paul Evans up with it to Kila dance.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: history to Kila, current flavors, you know, what I like best.
[SPEAKER_10]: I mean, I'm going to, you know, all sorts of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the official.
[SPEAKER_10]: They take a year or two, but we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we do have something you don't have to wait a year for.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the drink of the day today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jody, Jody loves to find.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jody finds most of these and she finds good inspiration for them, which is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it, look, if you're subscribed to the drink of the date, you're subscribed to the politicsbar.com, you pay six dollars a month.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is our bar cover charge.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the lowest bar cover charge in the nation for any bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: You pay that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get not only the news on tap, which is free, you get the drink of the day, and you get the podcast ad free.
[SPEAKER_10]: So is that on Patreon?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we're on substack for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_10]: I didn't know because I guess you're going to have another paid subscribers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be great, Cliff, because check this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today's drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something that everybody needs.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is inspired by national lipstick day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the drink of the day today, Jody is an optimist.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you have to be optimistic when you put on lipstick, trust me with my lips.
[SPEAKER_10]: When everything about you, Jody, whenever I put on lipstick, I'm pretty optimistic too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there's that.
[SPEAKER_10]: It can't be hard because I have like a little bit of a joke I should make these days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, look, look, look, look, if I'm sorry, but I know some drag queens and there's some drag kings out there that look, y'all, when y'all dress up, especially if you go and out, I'm sorry, but the folks who do drag, they definitely have to be optimistic and positive when they do that because you ain't going to get to make up right if you don't.
[SPEAKER_10]: I support it all.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm just goofy and make jokes about everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no joke on this trick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get the recipe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so you need to pre-chilled flute glass like a champagne.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some charcoal powder, which is something you could actually inject.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's edible edible charcoal powder.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're ingesting charcoal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an animal charcoal powder, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: One in two thirds ounces of light wine rum.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry white.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can read.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's light white rum.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good charcoal film.
[SPEAKER_03]: An ounce of Sherry.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's some brands in here.
[SPEAKER_03]: A half ounce of lime juice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Freshly squeezed because we like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Half ounce of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mounen pure cane syrup.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, simple syrup.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right and two dashes of Creole's based bidders and there's all sorts of ways more spicy Yeah, so what do you do together?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, you select the flu glass and chill it and then you rim said glass
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not kidding.
[SPEAKER_03]: With a charcoal powder.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you moisten it with the lime and then you put the charcoal on it because you're talking about rimming glasses the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You always have to do that first because otherwise it's not going to work because then you have the out.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have the liquid in there and then you pour it and it's like a word.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you prepare the garnish of great fruit zest twist and we've done zesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: with lemons and limes and then you put all the ingredients in a shaker with some ice and you find strain all those into the pre-rend glass and then you put the zest twist over the cocktail.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you express it to get a little hint of grief.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love great food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great fruit is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that happens to be and that if you see, that's kind of yummy.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you go, if you go to the drink of the day, the politics bar.com, you'll see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a great fruit tinted drink.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the charcoal on top.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then when you drink it, you will take the glass away from your lips and you will have this charcoal lipstick on your face as well.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, all right, as long as it stays charcoal, and you don't start trying to sell me clean coal soup or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's still like, you know, coal that you get in a stalking if you're a bad guy.
[SPEAKER_10]: Because that's what I see.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think next, I just could see like a year from now, Joe Manchin, like making that drink for people, like a bar and West Virginia, and be like, it's clean coal from the mountain.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I could see that add to, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to laugh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to laugh at some of the stuff because some of the stuff that we look at in in some of the news is just so freaking ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, speaking of ridiculous and campaigns because obviously we're all geeked up that Roy Cooper is entering in North Carolina.
[SPEAKER_10]: He just hell, baby.
[SPEAKER_10]: I just wrote a post on that.
[SPEAKER_10]: I think it was like it's not just him running it's it's the statement it sends he's like an older statesman who almost was picked as VP they thought about and and and I mean and he's one in North Carolina six times four times as attorney general statewide what times as governor like
[SPEAKER_01]: in Georgia.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me, let me get, let me get Pete in because I've seen Pete not in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Pete's in a little bit early.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will, we will bring Pete Dominic into the bar here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're still here and Pete's coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's still in the foyer there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But look, so I was telling you the story here.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a guy in Georgia, Georgia Republican lawmaker.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is announcing his Senate campaign launch.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he misspelled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Georgia.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think you can get elected for that.
[SPEAKER_10]: Your words are like, you know, Florida has Florida man for a reason.
[SPEAKER_10]: But Georgia has, I mean, they have created some impressive species that have sort of
[SPEAKER_10]: almost.
[SPEAKER_10]: Or to create a Marjorie Taylor Greed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they did.
[SPEAKER_10]: Herschel Walker.
[SPEAKER_10]: Georgia created that crazy woman who had an ambassador thing was like, what was it?
[SPEAKER_10]: God guns and babies or God.
[SPEAKER_10]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_10]: that you know Georgia punches above its weight class for stupid they've you know that you are trying to be a lot they also have they also have brilliant I mean Jimmy Carter was going to finish that sense is a on the republican side rather than it's never a democrat either there are some brilliant democrats in florida and whenever we're talking about this we're talking about generally of the maga variety or jett and florida have created
[SPEAKER_10]: Well above there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just it's one of those things where you shake your head and you're like are you freaking kidding me?
[SPEAKER_10]: So when you talk about George I mean, you know, you said to me Carter, but there's that there's also that guy Martin Luther King.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, yeah, I got it.
[SPEAKER_10]: God.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm pretty if George on when it comes to on the left has been a pretty damn good job.
[SPEAKER_10]: I have nothing to and we're not right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really that awesome and we're not crying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome is wrong again, which is fantastic Pete.
[SPEAKER_01]: is in the bar with us, Mr. Pete Dominic, how you do when Medjoin and look, Cliff Shector still here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still hanging out with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a huge cliff-shector fan of Mithon and forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe we've never been acted.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_10]: I've been following you and I've wanted to reach out to you and be like, hey, can I come on your show and somehow I never knew that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Anytime.
[SPEAKER_10]: Let's do it then.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, you
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to reach out to you, though, and if you want me, I need no pressure.
[SPEAKER_10]: But if you do want me to come on your show, I'd love you.
[SPEAKER_10]: I do.
[SPEAKER_10]: Tomorrow would be fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: How awesome it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, look, look, look, we are here at the politics bar and great.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are the grinder of radio.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping to call us the grinder of political media.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, but if you wait, the problem is if you really are the grinder, then Mike Johnson should be showing up soon.
[SPEAKER_10]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Watch.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm going to admit him now.
[SPEAKER_10]: I still don't see that allowed.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still refer to Mike Johnson as tiny Johnson for a reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I call him tiny Johnson, it's very simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Republicans will wave him around and they'll say, well, Mike Johnson said this, and I say to him, look, don't wait your tiny Johnson in my face, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they give a lead.
[SPEAKER_10]: He's like a little of an troll-a-quest dummy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, he's like, he's like five, seven, five, eight, something like that.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know, that's, that's with the Afro.
[SPEAKER_10]: All right, no, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The quote, well, he doesn't have an effort, but he does have that perfect, uh, brec hair kind of thing going.
[SPEAKER_10]: And he just, he looks, my point is it's not even just the height, like he just looks like a torpe.
[SPEAKER_10]: It's the whole, he's looking at his face.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of small.
[SPEAKER_10]: He just, he just is such a small person in every way, right?
[SPEAKER_10]: Like he's.
[SPEAKER_03]: My own nickname was torpe, so I'm fine with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are awesomely torpe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pete, honestly, what do you think about Johnson?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm surprised he's still there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kind of impressed with his staying power.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the last guy had a had a real hard time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm impressed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: His ability to get Republicans in line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, those more.
[SPEAKER_02]: The White House.
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost think it's more luck with him than skill.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe some skill, too, but.
[SPEAKER_10]: Oh, he says God talks to him, so maybe that helps.
[SPEAKER_10]: He was saying something.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a Christian nationalist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I whenever I refer to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always say Christian nationalist Mike Johnson.
[SPEAKER_10]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_10]: Good for you.
[SPEAKER_10]: Seriously for doing that because it will don't do it enough.
[SPEAKER_10]: They let him get away with calling himself a question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, look Cliff, you got to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we will we will let you head out of the bar here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We we've got Pete in the bar here for the rest of the hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a very good Tuesday night and we're very glad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at this place tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, look, we got Pete Dominic.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got Cliff Shector.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Jody and me and all these people here in the bar hanging out is the perfect place to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk with Pete a little bit about the media and a little bit about the news and a little bit of cold bear as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So look, Cliff
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you by the way for coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check out Blue Amp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check it out in our link.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in under the guest section at the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go check out what Cliff is doing there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll rearrange.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll figure out how to get over in your show sometime you're quick.
[SPEAKER_10]: Yeah, let's talk about.
[SPEAKER_10]: Thank you so much for having me on.
[SPEAKER_01]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back with Pete Dominic.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Tuesday night at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is Tuesday nights here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one and only Pete Dominic coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's already here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should say coming back, you know, the restroom.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to use it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: It happens to all of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, we are glad you are here from wherever you happen to be coming in from whether that happens to be WCPT in Chicago or AM-Nine-Fifty Minneapolis, April or America, one radio in Atlanta or the D-T we're talking Tennessee or
[SPEAKER_01]: aggressive voices radio worldwide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or hey, maybe you're on podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you happen to be coming to the bar from Pete.
[SPEAKER_01]: Been wanting to get you in the bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Finally, we got you in because, you know, you got a little time and we got a little time and it worked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was glad that you're doing you and Cliff were able to kind of, you know, see each other hanging out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we did a whole like match dot com thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a wild world out there when you get to meet people in our space, but Jody, Sean, it's great to be here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm when you asked me to join.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I said yes before I didn't finish the email site.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, it's a look.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the one or only Pete Dominic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have, you have been in these.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the fact, I saw you always that I think it was last week on CNN with Brianna Keeler.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, giddy to have you on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I laughed about that because I'm like, you know, she's
[SPEAKER_01]: She's an old, she's an old radio person too.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people realize that we don't understand it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's she and I had a little bit of a history and a mutual admiration.
[SPEAKER_02]: I used to work at CNN for a while, but before I think she started there, I left.
[SPEAKER_02]: She came in, but I kept doing appearances there and I was on with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: on a segment that really weird thing happened with the other guests on the panel, who is this crazy Christian nationalist, seeing a neighborhood about them, he shouldn't have been there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I and Brianna handled it really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it went really viral for the moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we kind of like the next time I saw Brianna as at the RNC or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we just laughed about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I just have a lot of respect for I think she says very, very good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I have given her hell over the years.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is so we were talking with Cliff about this too.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has been kind of a bugaboo.
[SPEAKER_01]: The news.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit heavy today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you know, there is look.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, the genocide that's going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: The carvings people are people getting shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, that's the shooting or is there a different one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, we know.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're a race.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd land to Detroit and Manhattan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Four of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not know about anything but New York, but I'm not surprising, but yes, it's heavy every day and I talk a lot about
[SPEAKER_02]: dealing with it and understanding it and living in it and not in denial about it and I don't know if you're going somewhere with the question about media but I mean I think that it's very important that we don't look away from it and that we stay connected to it and I don't just say that because I'm in media and want people to stay connected I say because I think if you look away from it
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not doing, you're not being responsible mature adult.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It means you're doing really well and it's easy to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or make sure doing really, really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're just trying to open there too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think it's important that people stay connected and don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've always fought apathy.
[SPEAKER_02]: My entire career has been about trying to make boring issues important by finding the best guests to talk about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and you've been, you've done so much in media that, you know, if people, people may know you from your podcast stand up with Pete, or they may know you from your years on serious XM, stand up with Pete Dominick, which is, you know, look, I mean, it's in many ways it's a similar show.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good show.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is you talking to interesting people and people should listen to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I recommend we got a link in in the guest section at the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the other thing about it is that you've worked so much in media in so many different aspects, you especially have a different take, I think, on the Paramount CBS merger because your friends were Stephen, how long did you open for him?
[SPEAKER_01]: How long were you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I worked at the Colbert report for like a thought I did like a thousand episodes six years and I can went back and forth because I got hired away from the Colbert report and come to Center by CNN, but John Stewart hired me Steven stole me from John and that was like some nights
[SPEAKER_02]: some of the fun most fun nights of my career were warming up the audiences for the Daily Show and then literally running to the Colbert board because Daily Show is on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, was one stage and then the other stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six blocks away and I would wrap at the Daily Show and I would run to the Colbert board and I would do them both and it was double money.
[SPEAKER_02]: But more importantly, just to be part of those two iconic shows for as long as I was and then I worked that last week with John Oliver for three seasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm put the longest.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, been around in political media and comedy for almost twenty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, you're not only Avengers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the fact that you have an open mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have an interesting mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: As a friend of mine said, it's you have an open mind, but not so open, your brain falls out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you get great, you get great guests.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you asked them interesting questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if this is is you know, as interesting a question, maybe you've been asked this before already, but there is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously there's quite frankly it's the issue of bribery paid to play however you want to talk about it with the takeover of Paramount by Skydance and now obviously pushing cold air out.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're looking at John Stewart and the Daily Show basically probably being threatened.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to put a minor on CBS news.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, what the hell?
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's, and this is one of the big mainstream media outlets, not just CBS News as a new does outlet, but media as a whole.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is, I mean, somebody who's, you know, been both inside and outside and knows these people.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about it and what do you think, what do you think how they're going to handle it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think the most important way to look at this is that it is the most obvious
[SPEAKER_02]: example of cancel culture we've ever seen oh my god yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's really important to say it that way because we have to mob or a society or a group of people can all condemn any number of bad men or anyone doing something bad and co-cancel them and they can't get gigs or they get fired from their job or however people generally see cancel culture.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when it's organic or when it's led by the mob on social media or something like that, that's one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when it's government,
[SPEAKER_02]: doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The right has been canceling words and censoring actual words for years that they couldn't be ordered in congressional reports like the financial crisis inquiry commission, which was the body that looked into what happened in the two thousand what caused the two thousand financial.
[SPEAKER_02]: This will Republicans wouldn't let Democrats it was bipartisan commission, but they wouldn't let the word deregulation be used.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: was the reason that was the primary reason to deregulation of financial industry that caused all of us to lose so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some who never gained a back and that something like climate change.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're getting rid of words again.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the government.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to cancel entire people with trans people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to cancel trans sure people.
[SPEAKER_02]: When the government cancels a TV show, it is the most rotten, it's an egregious form of cancellation that you could imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should never, no conservative, no right-winger.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one should want the government to be canceling television shows and putting their finger on the scale and these mergers this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how I look at it number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And number two, I mean, these things are gonna happen that the television industry was trending this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: These shows were all going away within a few years.
[SPEAKER_02]: You already saw
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you're talking about late shows in general.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, networks in general, that kind of programming in in general was was going away in many different ways because of the internet and because of everything else that we're all doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was going to happen anyway, Colbert is never going anywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've known him forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this guy punches up and will whatever he does next will be way better than what he did here at the late show, which was already, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: It was CBS's property, who's answering new executives.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a show created by David Letterman.
[SPEAKER_02]: venture will be something very, very big and important.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've said, and I don't, I'm not joking, and I told him directly, I send my email with the clip of it, and I just heard back from the yesterday was a kick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't heard from him in a while, and I said, you should run for president.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Stephen Colbert should run for president.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are in a cartoon country with cartoon leaders, and they're in cartoon villains, and I think Stephen Colbert is a very good and probably one of the smartest people I've ever met.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know a lot of smart people, and I think he'd be an amazing president.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: My mom got when my mom did her fiftyth anniversary show.
[SPEAKER_03]: We had to, they had to edit out somebody.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so Steve Colbert was so sweet.
[SPEAKER_03]: She flew out, burn it at Peters was there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean a bunch of other people.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just used the theater and I'll play the piano and we'll be good.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Mr. Colbert is a really nice human.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he take care of he takes care of everybody on his staff and always always did and always will and so I think that's that's the great thing too is that it to me it's obvious it'll look like you know when I you know you stored for Randy now's going to say you and I think meant when I was working for Randy the first time
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when the executives were basically trying to push Randy's show out back in twenty fourteen, Randy made sure to make sure that all of us who were on staff, we all got severance.
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, because we got severance because she didn't, but she made sure that everybody did the who were for her on staff that we got taken care of.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was just
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's so I totally understand when you say that about Colbert.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm liking the fact that they've got like ten months.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he can build whatever venture he's going to build.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then for the other people who say, I don't necessarily want to go with that, that he can help them try to find other places so that, you know, they're still able to make a living and you'll see their kids in
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the best example is the writer strike in the pandemic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Ian is wife like took out of their own pocket and made sure everybody is all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another example is I won't name any names because that doesn't really matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: She wouldn't care, but there's there's certain plays that worked on the show like one woman who's husband died and and she and her husband worked on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a camera man.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I should be clear about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like he's
[SPEAKER_02]: he took care of for the rest of time like and it's like last year's season last year was Amy died.
[SPEAKER_02]: Amy Cole was assistant for year she died.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's suffered a lot, you know, as much loss, you know, he lost his dad when he was old as brothers in an airplane crash and he's just filled with empathy and purpose and he's as good as it gets.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, I'm saying all this, he fired me.
[SPEAKER_02]: because I wasn't committed enough to the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was gone a lot because I was doing gigs and he called me off and he's like, your career is too good for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, go and do it and don't worry about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be fine and he was absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he pushed me to try, you know, something new and because I was so successful and I'll always be grateful to him for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a good Christian.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a good Catholic.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a good man.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a good person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Catholic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's always, it's always funny to me that people, people who don't know famous people and they, they think weird things about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like sometimes they're just, you know, they don't have weird things.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just average people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just normal people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of them were just really good normal people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steven just happens to have a fantastic brain for comedy for political comedy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I. He worked with Francis and Angela, Angela.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Pete.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, years ago, it's Steve that Steven that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he directed Francis on a weird thing that she did as sketch.
[SPEAKER_02]: This second city.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, second city.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where good times should came through.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, but I think it's important, you know, as interesting people and talking to me a lot about him because what's happened lately, it's forced me to remember a lot of things, but the thing that that put him on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to say on the map, because he was already, you know, started the Daily Show, then the Colbert reports.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Colbert is a horse up and running, but I think he was two thousand six, the, what else corresponded to him when he rose to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the host and he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was so brilliant.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was brilliant because the way that it came out, the audience wasn't might.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like he was bombing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't bomb in the room, but it looked like he was because he, you know, the audience.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just, really, obviously,
[SPEAKER_02]: destroyed and he spoke truth right to power about bush and man, you know, attacked him basically with jokes about WMD and it was brilliant and it burgeoned his image as this rabble rousing truth speaking, you know, guy who's very inspiring to a lot of people who came after him, but at almost every night you guys at the Colbert report, I would do the warm up at hand on the mic, he'd do Q&A and almost every night, somebody from the audience asked,
[SPEAKER_02]: question about that White House correspondent center.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, almost every night.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a moment that really put him on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But not on the map, but on a different level as doing what needed to be done, but always needed to be done to George W. Bush's face.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a very, very important moment that many of us never forget.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was fine with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not a Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's just, that's, that is, you know, there's a lot of things that I didn't like about George W. Bush and especially Dick Cheney.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my family has a thing goes back with Cheney's for almost a hundred years.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact is that Bush understood that it was funny and it was all ingest.
[SPEAKER_01]: And whether there was some serious stuff or not, he played it off and it, you know, he didn't like, like you said, Jody, he didn't hold a grudge about it like Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he could laugh himself, but there's nobody like Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is nobody.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's in a Nick butt.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is one of a kind.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will never be another person like him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to swear so much right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Pete, so we've been talking a lot about media today, but there is some news on Tap still that we hadn't gotten to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there was some sad news.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you were, what's your favorite baseball team?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yankees.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, but you know, you got to have some respect for Ryan Sandberg.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had I collect the baseball cards for a long time and when I was young boy, of course, and Ryan Sandberg was one of the best copies of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I had his rookie car and I thought I was a big deal on the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: You still have it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've got all those cards.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was nothing all of them are worth.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I was clocked in the eighties.
[SPEAKER_02]: They made millions of baseball cards.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they, you know, we all still have many, many of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you get a misprint, those are the ones that are worth a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Ryan Sambrick was legendary.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know his character, anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, he was one of the best ball players.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he said, I don't know his personal character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Dion Sanders is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, uh, I'm sure you heard that he, uh, announced that he had bladder cancer.
[SPEAKER_01]: How does bladder removed?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it looks like he beat the cancer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Story is in the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to, he's still the University of Colorado Head Football Coach.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to coach the whole season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he has too many vowels in his name, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a doctor in aggressive bladder cancer.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what folks get his first thing to everybody is get out there and get checked.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how about that headline?
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, this is a real headline.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was fake.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is USA today.
[SPEAKER_02]: The underwear brand confirms partnership with Dion Sanders after bladder removal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to use going to capitalize.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to make money on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I look already airport.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was waiting for a luggage and I walked out to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, are you Dean on centers?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was way taller than you, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he's a big guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kicked the crap out of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, I mean, it's just, it's in the entertainment section.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eddie Murphy, by the way, is going to be the new Inspector Clueso for the new Pink Panther, which will be pretty sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not too bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Greatest of all time at him.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he is by the way, RWMBA fan, I don't, I don't know, are you, um, you know, do you like Caitlin Clark and, you know, okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the guy who was like, yeah, the guy who was like, you know, when she was in college, I thought she had a little bit of attitude, but now she's, I like her really more as a WMB player than I did in college.
[SPEAKER_01]: And and I'm I'm enjoying I like WM yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's me.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a guy the judgment of athletes and definitely not like female athletes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you're paying real close attention, then you get to have an opinion, but I don't pick close enough attention enough enough to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just happy whenever women are successful in sports.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I've been I was a fan of the nineteen ninety nine women's soccer team the US women's soccer team.
[SPEAKER_02]: with fan of that team and watch I followed him around.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got like autographs.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to a game match and like they just really put women's sports on the maps for our generation.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's rooting for for them to, you know, make money and have success and I think it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's it's neat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's neat in many ways because a lot of the women who are who are in pro sports, they're doing things that they they bring up
[SPEAKER_01]: all kinds of stuff about health care, for example, they about the immigration issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: This big ugly deal, the reason I mentioned this is is, so, you know, you got a couple of pieces that you sent me that you were talking about, that you're focused on.
[SPEAKER_01]: This, this thing, this big ugly bill is going to really screw people's healthcare.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, do you, do you know who Charles Gabby is Pete?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he might have seen him on on, I'm still meeting one point.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does a ACA signups.net.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the guy who is behind all so much of the healthcare data that is out there online these days.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is just pointing out the fact that that's, it's like the pro public a story that we were kind of passing back and forth, that
[SPEAKER_01]: the this bill is going to hit people in ways that I don't even think people have started to realize.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's going to hit me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, I mean, is it going to affect your effect your individual, because you're in the AC, yeah, aren't you?
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I, I, no, I don't use the, the, you don't want to just see a plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but I am on gold plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's going to hit everybody in some way or now that because I think to me, the
[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of talking about healthcare and the bill, the thing that I like to focus on and try to debunk is this simple idea that they've been pushing that there's all this waste, fraud, and abuse, and government, anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you know anybody that works for the federal government, most of them will tell you, they are overworked and underpaid and it's not like no one's
[SPEAKER_02]: plus the people that work in government do it partially a lot of them for reasons to you know for purpose full reasons for public service.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're doing something good and they're underpaid often and they're under resource.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if anything, there's there's really not nearly as much waste fraud and abuse for sure, but it comes to health care.
[SPEAKER_02]: First of all,
[SPEAKER_02]: The way I've been saying it is that they're arguing that if you're going to get health insurance Medicaid, then you need to be working.
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to have some, quote, skin in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to work a certain amount of hours and stop free loading.
[SPEAKER_02]: And A, there's almost nobody doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Abel body, men they like to say that are free loaded.
[SPEAKER_02]: But B and I think this is really important.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you are a drug addict or a pot smoking lazy loser who sits in his parents basement and plays video games, you deserve health insurance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me add something else.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I clobber those things, you're a bad person, you're a fascist, you're a racist, you're a sexist, you still deserve
[SPEAKER_02]: health insurance and this is the only country in the world civilized country in the OCD developing world that does not offer every citizen affordable health insurance and the idea that you have to have skin in the game or you have to earn it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like it's by the way snap or or anything else especially things you paid into like so scared you're any other government benefit though they make it seem like people are
[SPEAKER_02]: are cheating on the trying to get free healthcare like it's a commodity.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not it's not it's just don't even to go to the doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: People who have gold plans don't even use them because they don't want people don't use their healthcare the way that we buy and consume other things because it's health care.
[SPEAKER_02]: We avoid the doctor especially guys and the people are going to be most affected by this are rural white Americans really who are not going to be able to have access to the hospital and are more likely now not to go to the doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then get healthcare in the ER.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's a preposterous notion to think that you should have to have, quote, skin in the game, or that you should have to do something to deserve health insurance in the America that does this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's the one thing I'd like to just try to debunk and focus, focus, because a lot of people fall kind of prey to that, you know, skin in the game, it's bare, everybody should have to,
[SPEAKER_02]: participate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never believed that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will never believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's disgusting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's if you're a person of principle or of any religion and you believe this, you're definitely not following that religion or it's teachings and it's just as the idea that so many people in the Republicans have been able to convince people that you're if you're an able body person, you should have to work if you want Medicaid.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just
[SPEAKER_02]: insidious and awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's disgusting.
[SPEAKER_03]: We should wish.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's disgusting.
[SPEAKER_03]: We should have health care from the time we're born until the time we die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's not always going to be the three legs of the stool.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been talking about health care for years with health policy experts and it's been lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much does it cost?
[SPEAKER_02]: So affordability quality.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it any good?
[SPEAKER_02]: Your doctor's good?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you getting good treatment and quality?
[SPEAKER_02]: quality, again, cross quality and affordability or I'm sorry, access, access, affordability and quality.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are the three legs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you're not going to have a hundred percent on all of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no healthcare system, including some of the best in Canada, France and other countries.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one gets to live forever and nobody gets every treatment that they need and nobody gets it all paid for necessarily, but all of the other countries have access.
[SPEAKER_02]: they have quality and it's affordable and only in America do we have this and you know host go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would imagine big businesses would like to not have to offer that as a benefit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I asked the CEO of, I got a little bit of an argument with CEO of Series XM years ago and I worked there in the middle of the farm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, why do you like this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would you support this?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, it makes us competitive if we can offer better health insurance than similar companies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, OK, I mean, that's the argument that he made.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's just all for better pension.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the argument that they try to make is is because they know that they know that people aren't going to use the insurance.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like when when somebody says, oh, we're offering you this big deal and we have this discount on this and that and the other we give you free this and free that and then they say we're giving you all these things and you know for a fact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ain't nobody like, you know, one percent of the people use the coupon for whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: One percent of the people get the bonus service for whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why they like it because they can say, look, we're offering this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what do people actually take?
[SPEAKER_01]: They take this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the other important thing about this, the idea that they have these work requirements now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a chaotic system.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will never work to try it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of, a lot of, that was one of the great pieces you guys, we got in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Georgia already tried this and it failed.
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to work for like twenty hours a month or however many hours a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: But people are, it's impossible to keep track of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's impossible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to log my hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to have to have somebody else log my hours and guess what, my manager isn't sending me the paperwork I need.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I can't send it to the government.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's creating huge bureaucracy and hoops for government to jump through.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when they talk about, they want to reduce waste fraud and abuse and streamline things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm the government like a business.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're making it way harder for everybody on every end of the chain of custody of health insurance from the patient to the physician or healthcare provider to obviously the health insurer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a cat system.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will never work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I won't say of any money to begin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, by the way, Steven Miller knows Ferrato says,
[SPEAKER_02]: where we're sending all of these undocumented people or he calls him something worse out of the country.
[SPEAKER_02]: There will be no more lines at the emergency room because they won't be clogged up with undocumented people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see that that's true that there won't be any more undocumented people.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what there will be.
[SPEAKER_02]: hundreds of thousands of other Americans that no longer have health insurance, we'll now be getting their health care from the emergency.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're supposed to go into a doctor because they don't have health insurance.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to make the ER wait a whole lot worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it makes a car.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to close hospitals.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it makes the costs go up even more for the rest of us.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I hate my own insurance.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't get covered by anybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cody, you should be more personally responsible for example.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should take better care of yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should have better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I built thirteen hundred and some change.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you talked to your parents about your genetics?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, it's it is a health insurance in this country is off the chains and what Republicans are going to
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to end up biting them in the ass big time and I don't think it's going to wait until like a lot of the the pundits have said until twenty twenty seven no because the ACA subsidies all that stuff is going to start getting cut from now through December as people try to re-up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are going to find out that that costs are going to weigh up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have to lower the quality of their plans.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are going to find out what Republicans did and then they get a vote and I'm going to laugh my ass off about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pete, this is the first time, but can we get you back in the barn at the time?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't do anything anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I do is give interviews and do interviews, so I'm not, I'd love to end occasionally hang out with your kids, because you know, you're good at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm twenty-eyed back in the hangout.
[SPEAKER_02]: Last time I went for a walk of my daughter at nine p.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: at the time I could get a hold of her.
[SPEAKER_02]: you're up late man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was in bed at like four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much for coming to the politics bar man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, look, we won't we'll have you back in another time.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got more tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who do we have tomorrow, Jody?
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the Bob Cesca.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the Bob Cesska will be in John Tucosang later in the week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, get yourself home safely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do your work and then come back here tomorrow night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Join us at the politics bar.