[SPEAKER_00]: Three, six, we all need some tuning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's Baltimore Sports fans of all ages.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to section three, three, six next generation of Baltimore Sports stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am your in dearly considering host Matt Sroke and as always, I'm joined by the button lever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to the states.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the, uh, clearly the longest we've taken off between episodes of three, thirty six.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know if we should and thank you dear listener for putting up with our absence.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if we should provide explanation or just, you know, it's none of their business on our absence and why we're going so long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, we, I think we talked about it beforehand that you would be doing some travel on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did an episode, a short episode while you were gone with Zach, a big town sports.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was more because, hey, the Orioles were playing decent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the end of June.
[SPEAKER_01]: All start break.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to talk about some things.
[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of, can we turn this around?
[SPEAKER_01]: And now here we are, like, ten days after that two weeks after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we kind of know the position of the Orioles this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: What yeah and I I mean we haven't talked in a while and a lot has happened since we last talk so I've been this I've been itching to get on here I mean I was even texting you this morning I never texted before the show and I was I logged on here like ten minutes early because I was itching to talk about and I'm itching to kind of
[SPEAKER_03]: Talk through some of my thoughts on the world right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I almost even went to Twitter to share some thoughts on them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how people communicate these complex thoughts about their team and them on Twitter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to try it and I'm like, I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been trying to talk for some of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to take talk for a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: For a little, again, and it's not even out as a longer form.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, hey, let me take a minute and just say, hey, yeah, we're trading people settled down.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that needs to do speaking then.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is because it is complicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because as I texted you this morning and I think the number one response I got.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is what the Oriental still.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get you excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: They probably play really good and then they just completely fall apart.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yesterday I made this video about how, hey, guys, we've got to accept, we're trading these guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we played really good against the Rockies, but the Blue Jays are coming to the town.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Blue Jays are one of the hottest teams in baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to destroy it this week, the season ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Orioles come out Monday night and have an outstanding game and play the way that we expected them to play all year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kobe Mayo even played and got home run.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they irritate you because those are the glimpses that you see where you say, well, this team is clearly better than what the record shows.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, absolutely, they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're still fun to watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I've been impressed with, first of all, can we just get a shout out
[SPEAKER_03]: to all the oil fans still come into games, show them up games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every time they show you the bird bat, people are super enthusiastic, they're pumped up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think we have the best friends in baseball.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's what I say.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Josh, after that yesterday's win, I'm sure you did what I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you go to fan graphs, play off odds.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, there's still a chance.
[SPEAKER_03]: One percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not zero.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not something to zero.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not zero.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're still one percent chance to make the play out.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know where my reality check comes in with the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always the same place.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go over to the stand-ins and I'm like, I don't care about the division.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go to the wild card because I'm like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: We were eight and a half behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had a big win.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I go and I look and we're always the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we're always eight to eight and a half behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the really, if I really want to get myself into, yeah, the seasons over,
[SPEAKER_01]: I look at the fact that the number eight seems reasonable.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you look and see that you when they came in a row, they lose their games in a row, retired.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it seems reasonable.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can come back eight games.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you look and you see that it's not just that you're down eight games.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that you would have to pass every team in the American League outside of the athletics and the white socks to get up there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, that's the thing that's the part just like you when eight and they lose eight you and eight and eight are the teams.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, like there is just every team would have to play poorly and we'd have to play great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, once you had of us, okay, but yeah, it's all the other teams who are all and not all of them, but a bunch of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: by the way, we'll be adding a big piece here the next week.
[SPEAKER_03]: They will be pieces and we won't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason they will be adding those pieces is because those teams like the twins, the royals, the angels, the guardians, the Rangers.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of those teams are in the hunt for the wild card.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also still have a reasonable chance that they're standing at the regular at the division.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have zero vision and a one in a million shot at the one card.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, trading because because you'd have to ask for everyone to fail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone fall apart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone lose while we gain those eight games.
[SPEAKER_01]: But half the team's win every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you surpass half the team's win?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just do some math here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really can't lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I actually come in and play like eight straight games against everyone in the American League and everyone loses.
[SPEAKER_01]: We win.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only chance and that's not how the schedule works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the seasons, this season's over as far as play off the play off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it seemed to start to end and this is where I want to go to the conversation.
[SPEAKER_03]: The seasons seem to start to end at like when I left for Tanzania, there was a little bit of hope.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even while I was in Tanzania, they were running some series.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then right before the All Star Break was in Miami, they lost to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and that kind of throwing the towel down.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then after the All Star Break, we struggled to come, coming out of the gates.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know we played while the last couple series, but the game, I think the season really lost right before the All Star Break.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that when you could argue, we lost way before them, but the nails is a coffin at the All Star Break.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you did not sweep the marlins, and when you lost two out of three of the marlins, that was the nail.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when you lost cast hours, it, you know, two of them runs in a game against you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You mean three or three or three?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like three, I was about to say three, I was like, I can't be a pass, but you're really a three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was three.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, at least it was and was that Kurt's guy had four, this was a four.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So my question is though, Josh, as we look at this season, which has been a disaster of a season.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has been.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's no way around it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we can look at things like injuries and we can look at other things like, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, not, Michael is not getting the right guys, but even with all that said, coming in the season, uh, we, we were optimistic, even with the science or lack of work.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so my question is,
[SPEAKER_03]: What is the significance of this season?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this, oh my, we're not as good as we thought we were the past couple years.
[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe our young core is not as good as they thought they were.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this that kind of moment that we need to rethink this whole thing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or is this something where it's a bad season?
[SPEAKER_03]: Couple guys to down years, injury to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if we roll with this same squad next year,
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, we need to do make some moves, but a sense of the same squad next year that we can again be in the playoff team.
[SPEAKER_03]: How are we feeling kind of big picture about this team next year?
[SPEAKER_03]: And our young core, is this, are we okay here in Josh?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do we need to blow some stuff up?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's just about season.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just about season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sass is on record.
[SPEAKER_03]: He thinks it's just about season.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it's about season.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of bad luck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bad bullpen.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bad pitching.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you look at this team, when you look yesterday, look at games that go well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you take the core, and you take Gunnar Henderson, Adley Watchman, Colton Couser, Jackson Holiday, Jordan Westburg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that core of five people?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you replace them?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there someone that you would replace them with to improve any of those positions?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, here's another way to look at it and that's interesting Josh because that's I was thinking about about it from the same perspective on like how many key players would you need to replace before like you need to kind of blow the thing up like what's that number of key players need to replace and if you but I think we're nowhere near that number.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's walk through it for a minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, if you walk through our infield.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and you think about Westburg and Gunner and Holiday.
[SPEAKER_03]: That shortstop second base, third base, they're all extremely young.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm biased, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know every other team's roster makeup.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I can't imagine going forward a stronger infield.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, what you're going to do, what you're going to do with that infield is you're going to get rid of some of the depth.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get rid of your bias.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get rid of Mateo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the guys who are going to get rid of because that core, when you look at the infield, where would you sign a free agent to play next season?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not for a third.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe first base.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And first base is interesting, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we have options.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the two options are the options not run Mac house on somebody.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's probably not run or run long term either.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hopefully they can trade him and move him and get something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: The two options are going to be going forward with Kobe Mayo and Samuel Pesayo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or yeah, a Pesalo Adley Swit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or if you want Adley to play some further, too, that's about to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which tells me, don't go out and sign a free agent.
[SPEAKER_01]: because at least as an oil fan, as a fan that has watched his team progress, I won't want to those young guys at first base.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to send you Bicello up here as fast as possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that means first base, I want him at first base.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: But counterpoint real quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think one of the reasons we're having it down here.
[SPEAKER_03]: is because, and this is not just exclusive to the oils.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you have young players, you have more inconsistencies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a larger variance of just a plant.
[SPEAKER_03]: But because it's not progress, not linear.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen a lot of, like, coat and cows are, for example, Adley Rutchman kind of take many subspack.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you'll see them take step forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Many subspack.
[SPEAKER_03]: Adley happens with young players.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you've got Adley and Gunner are not young players anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So where do you bring in a veteran for a see their first base or dh's where you're bringing in a veteran.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, let, well, let, so okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're still in the field.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're set with capture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to hear any trade athlete talk.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to hear it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get, get out.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: As you saw, Adley last night showed the Adley that we could have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Adley's potential.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Adley's been inconsistent, but we're not giving up on Adley first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then you go to the afield.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's where you start.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you have Colton Couser.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cedric Mullins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably gone trade.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cedric Mullins.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's not part of the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that's a position you need to upgrade at center.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not on the current roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you move Colmy and Ricky Bradfield?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you move Colton the center?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you comfortable going with going with Colton as your center fielder?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I would also argue that Colton Calider hasn't been that good this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've seen, I think there's been glimpses, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sorry, but Sedrick Mullins stats are horrible, but the defense, no one plays a center field defense like him.
[SPEAKER_01]: His range, uh, didn't he just steal home on last night?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then day before, uh, over the weekend, an amazing diving catch that I don't, I still don't understand how his body got to that ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's so fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, and that's, and that's also why you're gonna end up trading him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it always makes, well, we'll see, I'm curious how the defensive metrics stats, how they shape all the teams of you and we don't watch them every day like we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think this is, I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that he is kind of in the finance of all these defensive stats because of these defensive metrics.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what shows what a bunch of bull hockey all of it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, a picked-down sport is in the chat and says that he ranks worse in defensive center field in baseball right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is, I love it because it shows me how worthless those things are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's how, I'll say worthless.
[SPEAKER_03]: How flawed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, and I think that's something different subject that maybe we discuss this offseason is I really think one thing we learned from the Orioles this year is that analytics can only get you so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the downfall of Brennan hide was analytics.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, well, we'll put a put a pin in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So our other outfielders, we got Laryano.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who is the, that's been, maybe the biggest surprise of the season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's been up there top three players in the scene this year, obviously.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been gunner.
[SPEAKER_03]: L'Oriano and O'Hurn.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think people had that on their finger card.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then holiday, I think was confirmed too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's been excellent.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now the question is going to be really interesting for him is he a part of the team's future next year is a six and a half million dollar option next year, team option for next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we can bring him about really cheap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which means, which means all that call to trade him, I don't think you do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree, job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think you're not going to replace him for six million dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: No way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we talked about that there is.
[SPEAKER_03]: a lack of a depth in this outfield.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And who you replace the remote lariano with, there's no one, at least on the current roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to go sign somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, and so I think you need to keep them, especially with court and college or struggles and you're just a lack of outfielders.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you swing to the other side of the outfield.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you don't have court and college or out there, who do you have?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Neil, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, no, trade, trade, or job.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got like, you don't run it in three straight games or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bank on it and go get some pennies for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, you're not, he's not part of this team next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're stuck with him because it can you question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you sign him and release him the day after open in day?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, let him get that open in day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think he's back.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's on a platoon.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's depth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you count on him to play thirty games next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine, but I'm not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not part of my plans, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to teach him more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think you can keep him healthy in that DH role?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want him healthy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want him hurt as quickly as possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we can put on the IL and make room for the guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I want I want to playing every position.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, maybe capture now.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the, to me, Josh, one of the biggest departments of the Royal Season this year is, and this is, biggest disappointment, not just because he's underperforming, but max rotations.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's has to encourage that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the reason we're not talking about has to encourage to now is because we don't even really know what we have in has to encourage that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We, I think he's, we're leaning towards bust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, he's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the order now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what what's his age?
[SPEAKER_03]: Twenty five twenty six.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might even be older than that because he had the whole bread right.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was in the minus forever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so now all of a sudden you cannot just like you can't count on type, type, title and yield.
[SPEAKER_03]: Twenty six years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he'll be twenty seven going in the next season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just like you can't count on Tyler on the on right field.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't count on has a curse that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So to me, there's a big wide opening there that we need to address.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I think we need to address not with platoon players.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't make a lie.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like to do the platoon players.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we need an elite every day starting out field call Tucker type in that one spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a few things where we've had too much shuffling around and we need more stability on this team.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you do that with having more bench players, guys that know their bench players, not guys that you're trying to fit in all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think part of that is more stable outfield as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, Josh, we just laid it out where if you look at our starting nine position players or starting eight position players, throw a DH in there, that we, we are arguing that you only need to make one addition.
[SPEAKER_03]: You need to make a big addition in the absolute analysis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, and I'm not worried.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you take our whole offensive team, I would throw a DH in there as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I would try to get a big bat for DH and go back to that old school way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would get, I would go free agent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd go for a DH bat and I'd go for an outfielder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can the DH spot be rowing on her.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could possibly be possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could possibly be Tyler or Neil.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not completely sold on Tyler or Neil.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sold out of Tyler or Neil.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can say healthy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I tell a Neil, but you can't assume it's going to be Tyler or Neil.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think you need to make a move in addition to Tyler or Neil.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Tyler or Neil becomes depth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think that that right field spot that whole in the outfield we're looking at.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it could very well be separate moments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, you need to upgrade Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't disagree more.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to upgrade.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe I think you might be able to get a good deal on separate moments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with an upgrade.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to talk her Cody Belancher.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love for what I've got like that in the outfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to spend the money on that and I'd love to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not only that, those are older guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that veteran presence in that locker room that you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm totally all for sending that money and spending that money.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if the order also do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get to the pitch and because maybe it's a shot of Josh because just one more thing about the hitting because what you're proposing here, even just upgrading one out of the spot and you're saying maybe even such a mom's could be that guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're pretty much saying you're running back with this same exact offense, which is underperforming this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: Josh, are you aware of our home run leaders?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of silly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's Saudi mollins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't have anyone with me, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Jackson holiday and
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it who else has fourteen another guy has fourteen like our lesson Westburg dinner.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not Westburg a gun or it's not the people that you would expect and so all of a sudden
[SPEAKER_03]: It just, there seems to be that is it, Laura, Laryano, Holiday and Mullins.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think we need better players offensively.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think hopefully Tyler Neal bounces back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully said, Governor Henderson starts hits from for some more power along with Ali Ratchman and Jordan Westburg.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll season, but yeah, I think we need to upgrade offensively.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you look at the options out there for outfield or free agents, it's not a great class.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which means everybody's gonna go, be going for Cal Tucker and Cody Belanchor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's not a whole lot, I mean, I've got him ranked here by market value.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's Tucker Belanchor, Lewis Robert Jr., Darren Duran, Lord's Gorilla Jr., then it's Tullero Neal, Cedric Mullins, Lane Thomas, Austin Hayes, Ramon, Lauriano.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a great depth of reagent this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, then you also look at the trade route.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I don't know how you do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not my job.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's my life's job.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you need to make a significant upgrade.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, at the immigration.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you hope, you hope, tackle a new, can stay healthy and get back to what he does against lefties.
[SPEAKER_03]: You hope, pest and curse stat can be healthy and start playing up his potential.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you don't counter any of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all depth pieces.
[SPEAKER_03]: You need to bring in, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: a guy can count on to play a hundred forty games.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think stability all around defensively in the infield and the outfield.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want the same guys playing a hundred and forty games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I think we agree kind of on offense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bring in a big bat and bring in a veteran presence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And your options are outfield or first base.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's, and that, and our offense is okay, and that makes sense because my galias has spent a lot of draft capital on those offense positions and they're now here, and that's well and good.
[SPEAKER_03]: He hasn't spent draft capital or any capital frankly, and he's still addressing the pitching.
[SPEAKER_01]: He still doesn't really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So how are we feeling Josh, let's start with starting pitching and then bullpen, how are we feeling because bullpen,
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know who's in our bullpen anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was, you watch, yet, yet, it's game.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was, maybe we could pull the box for the other game, our bullpen relievers.
[SPEAKER_03]: All guys that, I don't only exist at a month ago, I think they just kind of report out of the ether.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we'll start with starting pitching.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we've had this year kind of, and some consistent starting pitchers, but then also,
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Dean Cramer has thrown, has been consistently and sick.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, and also, Morton, I think it goes more than pretty consistent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Morton has really turned it around to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, in terms of like, I consistent, I mean, like, they're on the mound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then you throw an Flander also.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what you did, you just mentioned, Sagona, Fland, Morton.
[SPEAKER_01]: What those three guys have in common is they're all free agents.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I, I, Fland has an option, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That doesn't have an option.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, UFA.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm restricted free agent.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're off the river.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we can make them all first.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that also means look to trade those three guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a couple days.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, so maybe they won't be part of our future.
[SPEAKER_03]: and Morton.
[SPEAKER_03]: And frankly, I'm fine with all of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I'm too.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might, you might want to think about about Flin, but the other two, given their age and their performance, they're, they're not part of the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what sucks is this is the time of year where we said, our pitch in our start rotation just has to get us to the end of July.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the end of July, we'll be ready to bring back, uh, radish and wells and Rodriguez just get us to the end of July and they couldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that those guys are ready, but they're getting close and it's too late.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, the guy outside of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you remove Sagan and Morton Flin, all right, who's currently healthy, I guess, we're left with Kramer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Trevor Rogers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: You assume, let, I mean, let's assume Bradish is back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you have some borderline people, I guess, like Kate Povitch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what happened to Chase and Durman if he's still alive, but what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what happened to Chris on Rodriguez.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, great from Rodriguez.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I didn't even mention him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been so far off my radio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other option would be Tyler Wells.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was pitching to Adley last week on some rehab stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've got again, another spot to spend money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you feel?
[SPEAKER_01]: None of the pitch is unstable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Question is Trevor Rogers.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been our best pitcher this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, nothing sort of amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nothing sort of amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I like about the Trevor Roger story is there's a reason behind it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can point to the his uh power increase in with more speed and more spin rate.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they can always because all I've ever heard is confidence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's got confidence now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all about confidence.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I saw a breakdown about about his speed and spin rate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it's a confidence thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you told me it's just about confidence, then I don't want him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they show me where he's changed something and that's really got better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, talking about changing something is going back a second.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he just wouldn't mention it here.
[SPEAKER_03]: that the Kobe Mayo thing, and then we'll get back to Trevor Rodgers because I want it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so irritated about how Kobe Mayo was handled this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, I disagree completely.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he was kind of really well.
[SPEAKER_03]: What, by just sitting on the bench all the time?
[SPEAKER_03]: Josh, you knucklehead.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is, he didn't do the problem with people like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what you sound like?
[SPEAKER_01]: You sound like the varsity coach.
[SPEAKER_01]: That took the eighth grader to be like here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just sit on the bench and watch these players play.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to get to play in time because you're the young kid, but just being around them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about being comfortable with the plate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just be around them and let them rub off on you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's your problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you think is happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what our offense is happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: That will not be the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just, you listen to the broadcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every game that McDonald's going on and on and on about how all the work that Kobe Mayo is putting into his game offensively defensively for the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: You look at, they did a breakdown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he shows up to practice.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, they did a breakdown of how it's stance is he's moved his hands down his his elbow was less up it's down his his legs are a little bit closer together.
[SPEAKER_03]: They did a breakdown.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been working his tail off.
[SPEAKER_03]: While he's been with orals and orals coaches have been helping him to get better.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might think he's just on the bench.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's getting better every day, even though he's not playing the games.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now it's getting his opportunity and he's really, really successful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, I like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not by accident.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the hard work he's been putting in while he's been here.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just sitting on the bench in our slices.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what that tells me?
[SPEAKER_01]: That the coach says this word.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that current state is worthless.
[SPEAKER_01]: because Kirsten had that slot before and Kirsten had that slot for over a year of on the ban to not play and he showed nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right Josh, every player is not the same, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, after I said, done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give it to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go that far.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I just want to make that point back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Josh, if Trevor Rogers continues to pitch like this, which is pretty dominant.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, are you comfortable next year going
[SPEAKER_03]: them as your number one, or maybe, Braddish, you know, and Rogers as your one, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that'd be Rogers number one, Braddish number two, who's your number three?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now it's the encraner, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not comfortable with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, nor am I job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's your number four?
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess Kate Popeitch and my business.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, again, Grace Rodriguez is out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Grace Rodriguez could be the number three, but I'm just, I wrote him off the screen training.
[SPEAKER_01]: I told you, spring training, don't, I don't want to hear Grace's name until I can't go into anything with planning on Grace and Rodriguez to ever throw a picture again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what I feel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's, I feel like, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, this is going to be another surgery and another year out, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not counting Grace in for next year at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I would bring in, so I, I'll, I'll bring Tyler Wells into that rotation and Cade Purvich.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I comfortable?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still need, I want, I want a real picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't want Trevor Rogers to be in that ace.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to have a veteran in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if Trevor Rogers is the number one picture, I want to have
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to have, uh, uh, one another Charlie Morton, Kyle Gibson, I hear you, Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want a deal in cease.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want a Shane Bieber, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I want a guy who's done it over and over and over again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is an area where this is our biggest criticism of Michael Lies last off season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even after the fact where he found out he didn't pursue the second tier of guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm okay if he doesn't get the first tier, but I want him to get
[SPEAKER_03]: offers to all those second tier guys, and maybe even offered to her first tier guy, because Rubenstein has the money we haven't spent yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that second tier I want to be all over.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to be the Cal Gibson's, the Charlie Moore.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to be going on the scrapheets of forty four-year-old men who maybe have a few in his left and their back pocket to any of the leaders type deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I want, yeah, I want guys who couldn't
[SPEAKER_03]: be at number three's on really great teams, maybe even a number two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we need a one because I think Trevor was caught brushing it at down, but I think we need two, at least two, maybe three, solid number three type starters.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like like a Zacreflint type.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I thought that was a way to learn that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Zacreflint or better.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we can do that via trade, it's four signs by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: We can do kind of both with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in that trades scenario, you're asking Mike Elias to give up parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: He hates to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you look at it before, he's done it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess his biggest deal would be the stowers giving up stowers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, no, the equipment burns in the last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be the biggest one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess so, I guess you have the Corbin Burns giving up DL Hall and Ortiz.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he has made those moves.
[SPEAKER_01]: The question is, do we have the depth right now in Tripoy to make those moves?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and maybe it's a Ryan Mount Castle.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has some bats out there for a team that needs bats.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think anyone's not going on a door about Ryan Mount Castle has to curse that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so either.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I think we have.
[SPEAKER_03]: And people have written about this younger arms in the single way, um, who would be appealing to the teens.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, and we'll add some more prospects too, presumably, not a lead prospects, by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not, I can't tell you what we'll talk about.
[SPEAKER_03]: How this is a huge trade deadline for Michael Ayes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not because we don't have huge pieces to trade.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have fringe pieces to trade.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we'll get fringe prospects back for our fringe pieces.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a, it's not a do-ket dump in the team and trade in the child.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a move like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not, what would be the next big trade move would be if you need to bring a part in if you were a buyer.
[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, it's not if we have a bunch of guys, order guys, end of their contracts.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can send them all from get what we get.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not going to get a top hundred plus per fact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think, I mean, the photo deal seems like we got a really kind of,
[SPEAKER_01]: That seemed like a very good arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're so done.
[SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully more stuff will come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I pulled up the box from yesterday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what were the reliefers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Our Fland.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had Martin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So be Wolfram.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Wolfram and Stroud.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, not, not where are the rocks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think a month ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's far.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's transition there Josh to the bull.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the starting.
[SPEAKER_03]: But again, this is stuff you can address in the off season.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can add two starters and an outbuilder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you can.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like that's doable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you need to with this young core of infielders that we have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you have the money.
[SPEAKER_01]: But here's what you have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't wait to for the end to try to get a deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't no, let's get a bargain in February.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What ever talk about this, like, like, or it should do it, but the world's haven't done this, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They've never done this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I am putting this on Dave Rubenstein.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're the new owner.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to prove.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to step in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate when owner step in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want a Peter Angela's go sign Chris Davis in the middle of the night behind Dukeets back, but I want a some pressure put on a lie to say, look at this money.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want him, I here's what I want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want him to call my allies into his office and say, turn his monitor around and see, you see this bank account, you see this behind me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the constitution or whatever he has, the man that come Lord magna, cum, whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Carter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at all this stuff I've got.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get me an outfielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Open up the checkbook.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm encouraged by things like the Anthony Santander signing by the BlueJays.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the BlueJays do the best work in baseball, lead in the at least.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Anthony Santander contract has been a disaster.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has been a disaster.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's signed up for a lot of money and he's not performed.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been a negative player.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yet, the BlueJays can still have success.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is what the Yankees would always do.
[SPEAKER_03]: You, if you sign enough good players, you can withstand a bad contract.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can withstand, I've, I've, I've felt like, we, the worst to be in a position where we can sign a guy and my glass can be kind of having assurance that if it doesn't work out perfectly, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can have a bad contract that it's not going to cripple your franchise like the Chris Davis signing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so did you I hope we can sign players in my class doesn't have to be afraid that this bad signing is going to ruin the next because that's what my class is thinking right like a life is not just about this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's thinking about the next five years next ten years and he doesn't want a sign in the ruin that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he needs the room the reassurance from Rubenstein saying like this signing is not kind of messing up for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll still be able to go out and get the piece you need even the signing does not work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what my class needs to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the thing with Mike Elias is, and I keep talking about Elias.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to get into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he gets, he makes these comments, so they rotate everyone where he says, I just want to play competitive ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's no competitive ball has been fun with time for the next level.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's that next step where we need to dominate.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to understand that we are in the AL East.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just be competitive.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be one of the stronger teams in baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see what Santander did for the Blue Jester Day?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: See what he did for the last month.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been on the, he's been on the IL since May.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's done nothing for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a disaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: April May was under two hundred.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was been a complete disaster for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So our bullpen Joshua.
[SPEAKER_03]: So to start pitching, we need to bring in one or two guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, two guys actually at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think two guys in the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_01]: What the bullpen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sorry, in the rotation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think two guys in the rotation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a bullpen part, but I'm kind of, I don't mind our bullpen as much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you, I think if we had better road, I think our bullpen would have been a lot better if our starters could get six in in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's a thing about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it lies how it actually has been a pretty nice job of finding these electric arms in the bullpen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, I mean, but Tista, but Tista's shoulder, that's concerning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to be back next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not counting on anything this year, but hopefully next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, at this point, I would rest them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, right, get healthy for next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would, I really look at our bullpen and see that we leaned too heavy on the bullpen this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think you can do the biggest downfall.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can make some fringe signings, like, picture it or whatever in the book, and I'm okay with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's another, I mean, we see this every trade online, everyone upgrades the bullpen, because there's such a variance in performance from bullpen relievers.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm okay, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you had a bullpen piece or something, but then roll them with it with a better start rotation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you need that piece of the trade deadline in the bullpen you can.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, I'm okay with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, as I look at a Josh kind of big picture here, and how many guys do we need to sign to the point where it's too much?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think about signing three players, I think we can do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or trade towards a choir.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't have to be signs.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, three players.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it doesn't seem like a full blow-up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a full blow-up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It also means spending money on those three players, because you've got to rest of the team cheat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: for now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I talk about my glass for a minute?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I want to talk about Tony Masanelli.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you can work on pronounced as name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why talk about it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it Masanello?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, here's the deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I won't get his name right if he's still here next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mentalina, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I believe he's gone.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think he's going to.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the question is, is Michael I is gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like he's been getting some heat.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just want to, like, I think people are giving
[SPEAKER_03]: Michael Ias who are saying he's on the hot theater something or think he should be fired even.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think these people Josh are so insane and we have been critical of Michael Ias.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think the the takes that he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: He should be fired because of this he's performance.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's an insane take and I want to add I want to remind our listeners.
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially our mechanized heaters, a little bit of recent historical context.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, the last three years prior to this year, twenty twenty two finished over five hundred twenty twenty three
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, we won the AL East and then twenty twenty four, we made the playoffs on ninety one games twenty three went over a hundred games.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So though that's been racist success.
[SPEAKER_03]: This has been a bad year.
[SPEAKER_03]: The previous three years were good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just want to remind people that in two thousand eighteen, that was the last year prior to my glass taking over in two thousand eighteen.
[SPEAKER_03]: which is not for ever ago, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not for ever ago, especially because in baseball, it's a long time to develop players and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't a team.
[SPEAKER_03]: We lost a hundred and fifteen games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, a hundred.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a franchise record.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what, here's what I pulled it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's what Wikipedia.
[SPEAKER_03]: who was a reliable source said about the Orioles in two thousand eighteen.
[SPEAKER_03]: It said the two thousand eighteen Orioles also said the MLB record of earliest playoff exit since the divisional era came to play in nineteen sixty nine being eliminated from postseason contention on August twenty if two thousand eighteen.
[SPEAKER_03]: The record would not be surpassed until twenty twenty four when the white socks were eliminated from playoff contention on August seventeen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he took over.
[SPEAKER_03]: what was, and historically bad for his eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And not only that, there was no pieces to work with because if you all recall, that last year, until the late teens, is when Dan to Kett trained away, is that Britain and many Machado and Brad Brock and everybody else, and got very little by the way in return, those dealers do not work out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so in two thousand nineteen just hang with me here people because this is important point of how far we've come and we forget about it we get so caught up in the moment we forget where we were here is some of the here is the roster here's the starting nine in two thousand nineteen when Michael ice took over
[SPEAKER_03]: Pedro Severino at Catcher, Chris Davis, who at that point was terrible at first.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jonathan B. R. Richie Martin was your chur stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ruby Ruiz was your third basement.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dwight Smith, Jr.
[SPEAKER_03]: was your left builder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Steve Wolkerson, Steve Wolkerson, which was your center builder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Raymond, Senior was your right builder.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're not too new, as was your DH.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then if you look at our pitching staff, let's not forget that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dylan Bundy, John Means, Andrew Cashner, Asher Roger Housekey, David Hess, Gabriel Gino, Aaron Brooks, Dan Straley, Ty Black, those are guys who started games for you in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, there was almost no one that you could that was a good player.
[SPEAKER_03]: or that you could count on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not only that, Josh, I, again, we need to remember this.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was not like the future was bright.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were, he's law in that same year that we traded away all those players, many of my childhood in June, June, June, that next year, June, June, year, June, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year, year
[SPEAKER_03]: We were also, um, had the worst farm system in baseball.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the roster was terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was no hope.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in, right, in that year, two and a half and seventeen, the year prior, do you know how many international free agents we signed?
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, zero.
[SPEAKER_03]: Zero is in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that I believe there was still, I was believe there was still the sign in South Korea saying the Baltimore Oreos are not welcome here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we had zero international phrase signings.
[SPEAKER_03]: We, the analytics department, there was one guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was way behind where everyone else in baseball.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so Michaelized not only like put a winning product on the field the past three years, pride this year, but he also transformed the front office.
[SPEAKER_03]: He also transformed international science to the point now, Josh, with international signings.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have eight in our top thirty and our number one overall prospects, semi-epicial are all international signings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those eight prospects of asylum would not exist without my colitis.
[SPEAKER_03]: They would not be here.
[SPEAKER_03]: They would be in other teams.
[SPEAKER_03]: The site would be a game gear or something without my my colitis.
[SPEAKER_03]: So let's not forget that either.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so not just it's not just that the Orals had a bad year under my colitis.
[SPEAKER_03]: The organization now.
[SPEAKER_03]: from top to bottom, international signings, farm system, run office environment.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just in a much healthier place.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a data-cat fan, but the whole organization now is in a much healthier place than it was seven years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, we had to build a whole baseball facility in the Dominican Republic because we didn't have anything there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's still years away from us seeing production out of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's how bad it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and now we're spending big money and and again, we signed them when they're seventeen eighteen so we don't see them for six years.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have the world series yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: but he has completely rebuilt his organization.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, so my argument Joshua, it's he's done all of these things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now he has one bad season and we want to kick him out the door.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm not a Michael, like we put it in the glass, we're not pursuing something.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's insane to me how quickly we want to kick a guy out who's completely turned around, not just the president.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to the overall healthy during his action.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's an age thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's people that don't that look and say, well, Dan do kept failed.
[SPEAKER_01]: All Dan do kept had to do with spend money to win, spend money on majorly talent to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all we asked him to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: He failed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think when Michaelized came in, people were like, oh, well, now we're going to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what did everyone focus on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Lift off, lift off, lift off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's going to be problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Things are going to go wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: This year's been a complete failure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if you can truly figure out what the problem was this year because you have the mix of injuries, you have managerial changes, you have a lot of stuff going on this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got under performances, you've got guys still developing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard to pin all of this year on one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am not going to sit here and try to pin it on my glass.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, if this all dies in my glass does nothing, or it's tries to sign another Charlie Morton type, and that's all it does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then, you know, I'll get my pitch for everybody else, but he has done too much with an organization to be so quickly turned on, I think is insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the offseason to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we go into the next season and we did not make a big sign in, then I'm going into that with this is good enough for Michael eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't need to take the next step.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to get into the playoffs and just see what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's that attitude?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I would say it's worse than that because
[SPEAKER_03]: If we don't make big signings this off season, to me becomes a power situation where if you're like David Rubenstein, just there to kind of make money and see this as a business, and not really trying to often win.
[SPEAKER_03]: But say, even pression that he was there to win a real series that he was a Baltimore guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But see, they're going to already.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got that figured out already because they're going to tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, we invested in this new club level behind home plate.
[SPEAKER_01]: We invested in the new scoreboard and sound system.
[SPEAKER_01]: We made this deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the all-star game is going to come to Baltimore in twenty twenty nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got all this stuff lined up where forget what's going on on the field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at everything else we did.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think ribbon sign to services don't bother it for that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I for adjustments on the stadium.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think for new sound system.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that want to be?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we jumped the gun on giving the owner a bubble head.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Dave Rubenstein last year, tossing out the hats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Notice that he hasn't done as much this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you think that is?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we're not winning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we're not winning.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and he, when he was brought in as a new owner, it, it shifted a change from the angelosis.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who was, who was seen there just as a guy who inherited the team from his dad, a guy who was just there to kind of run the business, but didn't really care.
[SPEAKER_03]: He cared more about concerts, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Then World Series wins early entertainment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right and then and you could not get them I mean this was it felt like the roast we won the road series with with David Rubenstein by the team Yeah, here's a guy who had you know the man the car that you mentioned had an endless amount of money To just play with and He also loves baseball and love it's the Orioles and this is the perfect match now I'll tell you It doesn't feel it hasn't come into kind of how we thought it would no, but I also feel for him a little bit
[SPEAKER_01]: because this is his second year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Last year was just.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was a judge.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was a judge.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we want owners to do after back down?
[SPEAKER_03]: We want them to open up the purse strings and then leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we're looking at all the decisions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because here's what I feel what they've been saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like him buying the team was as if you and I bought the team.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's glorious that first year, I can't believe I own this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's do Bible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do Bible ahead of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's make a tutorial for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love this team so much and now I get to own it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a dream come true, but would I step in and sign people?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I would trust Michael eyes because it's a fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been trusting Michael eyes and it's worked out for you so far and it has.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: What can an owner do mid-season when the team is struggling?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: And let me ask you a question, Josh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think Corbin Burns do you think we really offered?
[SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, even if we did sign Corbin Burns and Santander, both of them are her all year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we make a difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think we really offered corporate brands a big deal?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, so what did that tell you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what does it tell you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it tells us that, well, that ownership had to approve that big deal being offered.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that there is money that there's money to be spent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe that because I know
[SPEAKER_01]: what that's like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I like to think of my baseball players at human beings.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like to think of core and burns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he wants to stay in the air home with his little kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: What dad wouldn't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, that's why I want to believe that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you met my kids?
[SPEAKER_01]: But the one we could hear is enough for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just kidding.
[SPEAKER_03]: Silence.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you think about it then.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we did it's like carbon burns, but we had the money to spend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it seems then it was on Michael Ias choosing not to spend that money in other places.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what I think that's all can be the only thing that happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we recorded carbon burns.
[SPEAKER_01]: We kept hoping carbon burns was going to come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He made the deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did he make the deal in January?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe December.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you then took that money.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Michael Ias then looked at the board of reagents and said, let's just roll with what we've got.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, no, I think Mike Elias thought, and this is where I think maybe he's been criticized and maybe fairly that he can get the same production or still in production out of a Charlie Morton call Gibson as opposed to spending three years, you know, eighty millions or whatever is for someone else.
[SPEAKER_03]: He thinks he can do this, but what I'm telling Mike Elias, Mike Elias, listen to me, Matt.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to do that anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: You needed to do that under Don Angeles.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to do that anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can spend a lot more money for just a tiny bit more production.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the deal doesn't work out.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's okay too, because you can go sign someone else because you have a new owner.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so you don't need to do everything on the fringes anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's for wiggle room.
[SPEAKER_01]: December, twenty-eighths is when burned signed with the Diamondbacks.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, and I don't I forget what the exact for you just went landscape, but that's okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but then that's still on poor planning for my lives for not having a plan B when a lot of people are speculating that he was going to go with Arizona the whole off season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we can get off this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I think the criticism for me to realize is appropriate.
[SPEAKER_03]: The talk that he's on the hot seat somehow or even should be taught to be inspired, I think is so insane in our face that we get out of here with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just typed into Google, who were free agent pictures still available in January, twenty twenty five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Justin Verlander, Garrett Cole, Patrick Corbin, and Charlie Morton.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's who they listed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Garrett Cole was not really available.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was always right with the Yankees.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe I'd have to go back and actually look and see, but maybe maybe there wasn't much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jack Flerity was still available.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but our argument the whole time was a life never pursued the Nathan Evolities, some of those.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't know we did an effect on you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to this off to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Josh, um, we do have this is like, I love this time with a season.
[SPEAKER_03]: because I just love Trey Talk.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love all the different scenarios, who's pursuing, who's buyers, who sellers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like all the podcasts around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love watching when we had that huge game against the Rockies on Saturday night where everyone scored.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a text and I just responded, uh, the real question is who's in the lineup tomorrow?
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe the text was watched for a shout out tomorrow and I said the real question is who's in the lineup tomorrow?
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to go, you want to go on that and immediately be like, Mollens had a huge game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's trade him immediately.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was dressing out like, because the week ago, malls is over for a bunch of games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, man, malls isn't heading.
[SPEAKER_03]: That a good week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, harness struggling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Our bullpen restaurant, like everyone seemed to be pitching poorly and playing poorly, but now they're playing a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, you want that momentum going into the trade deadline to, so hoping a little bit more back for these guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited Josh, we agree on who should be traded?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mullins.
[SPEAKER_03]: Any more of the experiment times back?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mullins or hern.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mount Castles, that expired in, but if you can trade them, trade them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody wants something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Sagoona, F-lin.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're working the year?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're train-sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is Sagoona you're working the year?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am that was a total bust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I apologize for my bold prediction.
[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't been a total bust.
[SPEAKER_01]: He... No, he hasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Rafa adjustment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's been a fifth star.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not trade Lauriano.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone else get out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that might be a little tougher.
[SPEAKER_03]: My glasses.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to get probably more than any other that plays me named.
[SPEAKER_03]: He might get to know it's back.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're not going to replace him for six million dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you got to look at.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oh yeah, and I don't think you can replace them for I don't I don't know if there's anyone there too to replace them and if you're already need to replace another out of the other this offseason And you don't want to have to replace two guys and yeah, yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Fland Morton Seguna Mullins the Mingus O'Harn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I know you consider?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because Kenos not a free agent.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still have a lecture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know but I've been happy with Kenos.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I think we're both the same page that we're planning on being a playoff team.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're all serious contenders next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a fluke.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to win it next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So anybody who takes anyone else that team next year is dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, you know, it takes me the most about this season is it's stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: For years, we've been watching this team and been excited and thought in twenty three and twenty four, hey, we're gonna win the world series.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, years ago, when this all started, everyone outside of Baltimore said, look at the Orioles in twenty twenty five.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it always, all those MLB tracker predictions also said the Orioles world series.
[SPEAKER_03]: The number one farm system in twenty five was rope series in that year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it always said twenty twenty five.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here we are, twenty twenty five and it sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they just got the year wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was twenty twenty six.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it were about to start a dynasty in twenty twenty six.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, I'm glad we're on the same page most.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what's the, again, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the, what we get back and trade returns.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but we, I mean, we're, we're the consolation prize.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what we get to talk about starting August first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once when I come into the trade line, but when Spassalo's gonna come up, and then are any, is anyone worth an extension?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we saw the Kansas City Royals, I extended Seth Lugo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: At the trade line, I think that's a cool move.
[SPEAKER_03]: At the trade line, to say, there were some rumors, will Lugo be traded?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said, sure that we're signing a new set.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going double down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would, you know, let's extend Trevor Rogers right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's extend Gunner right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Westburg, Westburg's my guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've all had Westburg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a good out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a good show.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has been fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been fun to catch up with you after about a month.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I need to talk about the world of somebody and I can't do the Twitter and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm glad it's talked to someone about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: My feelings over this this team right now because it's a little bit complicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: that is the biggest thing about it is complicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, let's get back on a weekly schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still watching this team watching Gunner go from second to home on a pass ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that was pretty unbelievable that he can do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely been some fun highlights watching the Orioles this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: So don't just stop watching them because they're out of the playoff hunt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a plenty of baseball to watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're going to see more coke, coke, Kobe Mayo play and after these trades, um, we mentioned the side of it made, maybe we've been doing beavers.
[SPEAKER_03]: So things going to be some younger players are kind of come up that's going to make the team intriguing and they're still some.
[SPEAKER_03]: Open question marks, like I think Kobe Mayo is kind of playing for his job next year, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's still a lot of stuff to be decided for next year, certainly our rotation is not sad and there's still opportunities for people like Brandon Young to phone when you can impress him.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, there's a lot of storytelling and stuff all over.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I still a one percent chance at the playoffs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one person, that one percent chance means sweep in the blue jays for four games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I better go up to like two percent if we do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a good start yesterday.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you can't say we're not zero number.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I love recording this show on Monday morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this nine a.m.
[SPEAKER_01]: recording, especially when we have an Oreo game at twelve thirty and then another one is thirty today and then and then twelve thirty tomorrow in the next like we have three games in twenty four hours.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then and then after that everyone leaves everyone gets traded away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because we have the thirty first off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect time to make your moves before I had on your way to Chicago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just well as the board in the plane is four o'clock on the thirty first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we have a two twenty game on August first in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because cup day games, which means we have to fly over the night before.
[SPEAKER_01]: So which means I think Michael I should just be standing at those stairs by the airplane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you be like you go you go you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not going to Chicago.
[SPEAKER_01]: You go you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: You go.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, just touch the flight for after four o'clock on Thursday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, exactly four or three or thirty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could you imagine if you're sitting on that plane and it's like right before take off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mullins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to get off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I read her, I just just a tweet I read that yesterday, what was the team for the giants?
[SPEAKER_03]: Some picture made as they won't be debut, and they flew out his family, but I don't know how this happened, but they accidentally flew out the family members of the guy who got DFAED.
[SPEAKER_03]: to make room.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, this was a story I read.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you can believe everything going acts.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know I had to go meet with the family and apologize in the stands.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of a wild story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was Carson Wilson Hut.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Giant, let me just do a quick move.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is unbelievable mistake.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, unbelievable mistake.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Poezy was going to take Buster Poezy day at GM.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll take all the heat, but I'm sure it was some, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: some traveling secretary George the stands.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who just miss read the the announcements.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, DFA, this person put this family on here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it also raises a bunch of questions like.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know the context of why you would why that family would think the fly out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I was scheduled to make a start or something, but it's just weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think it was DFA that maybe he'd never had a start before and they told him, hey, it's getting his first start.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or maybe he's a bullpen guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: He might be making an appearance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just a nightmare type scenario story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't see that story, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could be an interesting Thursday.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see that one button.
[SPEAKER_03]: I bought the new players we got.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll talk next week and buy all the new players we got and all the people are traded away and how am I going to license the trade deadline?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe it's already a trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can bet your facts.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, let's get out of here.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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