[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this plan a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, and welcome to It's God Accepted It's Socks, a movie by movie, and television series by television series Hurtles with the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: This time, we're stepping outside the Marvel Cinematic Universe and entered the multiverse, we look at Craven the Hunter, part of Sony's Spider-Verse, and potentially the last part of it, originally released in December,
[SPEAKER_01]: Technically, this place is somewhere between Jacques de Conceby, the book on how to be a better step further and won't join in LinkedIn, but it's even worth me bothering to say that absolutely no crossover between the end of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I'm Tim Werner, and we finally got what I thought of Craven the Hunter shortly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, join me to give his thoughts of Craven the Hunter as writer, Mick Wright, Mick, where people find you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Broken butterboy on pretty much every social media site that's the way to find me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so before I've got any further, Mick, what happens in Craven the Hunter?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so this is not the order it happens in the film, but it's the chronological order, is that Sergei Intermetry are the sons of this guy, Nikolai, who is a big drug trafficker.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's big into hunting, he takes him on a hunt to garner, during that Sergei is injured,
[SPEAKER_02]: protecting Nikolai from a massive CGI lion that looks a bit like Aslan and he's saved from death by a local clip so who gives him his healing serum and leaves a taro card with him and the Nikolai kills the lion which makes Sergio disgusted and he leaves him
[SPEAKER_02]: goes to an animal sanctuary that is mother used to own in Russia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Many years later we meet Serey, who's now Craven, who's a vigilante with hunch criminals and he kills an arms trafficker in a Russian prison and then he goes to London for Dimitri's birthday and ends up meeting Collipso and there's a lot of quite tedious stuff that goes on.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's an assassin called the foreigner
[SPEAKER_02]: who can hypnotize people, to kill them, and craving ends up battling him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the end, we discover that it was his father who was behind all this stuff all along.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then to me, Trian's up inheriting the father's criminal enterprise after Sergio gets him killed by a bear.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to me, Trian becomes the chameleon, and we see him having these shapeshifting abilities given to him by an experimental doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, he takes on Nikolai's face at a certain point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, there we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: If this all sounds both confusing and boring, that's the film.
[SPEAKER_01]: It certainly is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Mick, how much did you know about Craven Hunters before you saw this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew Craven was one of the Spider-Man bodies that I knew sort of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if part of the sinister sex, the story that obviously stuck in my mind and that I had specifically read of his is the famous one Craven's last time, which is a really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really good story, but that's about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I knew he's Russian and he's a hunter and he wears a big fur vest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is going to be interesting because even as somebody who is very familiar with Craven, I don't actually know that much about it because there's not that much to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a character that dates back to nineteen sixty four and although he's been some great storylines very little has happened with him since then.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of those characters, and this is something I like about some of, it's not entirely clear whether there is superhuman elements of the abilities or if it is all in the head, but it's just not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's only an exciting character in so far as he interacts with others.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason why, in the cross-the-spire diverse when the showing or the fairings of her rest did after crossing multiverse isn't the refer to an interesting craving.
[SPEAKER_01]: As one of these apparations of Discover, he is a character who is just essentially brooding mum.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it's about, how he reacts to all kinds of people all the way from Black Panther to Squibble Girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's raised on Debtra is, he has to home bigger and bigger game.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not really villainy, that's almost an affliction really.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why he's so determined to go after Spider-Man because he represents the grave and the biggest game of all.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when I heard they were doing this,
[SPEAKER_01]: My initial reaction was not the same as you know when you hear they're doing the most Marvel TV series and you think not many people know who she is but brilliant can't wait to say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: My reaction was good luck with that because he's not even made it be introduced to the public even mad and web because there's a association of web you know she's something he's do with Spiderman but Craven I don't know what was going through anyone's mind when they came up with this
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess maybe thinking, oh, we'll do a sinister six film eventually.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we need to introduce these characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need the six.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we need the six one.
[SPEAKER_02]: The most disappointing thing about this is it's a ship film and I was hoping it would be like enjoyable ship like embarrassingly, but it's
[SPEAKER_02]: In some ways, the dialogue is so bad that it is like a superhero version of the room, but it's very boring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though there was, you know, R rated in the state.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's quite a lot of kind of brutal action in it, but it's just, it's just boring.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can see also that they gave up on, but they were losing faith in this film as it went on because the CGI gets progressively bad, like by the end of the film,
[SPEAKER_02]: I completely forgot as well that one of the other characters in it, one of the sort of the key antagonists is Rhino.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I've forgotten the tiller went to make my nose the Rhino is in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just did it like a synopsis from you know off my head there and completely forgot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the foreigner is working for the Rhino.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when he finally turns into Rhino near the end of the film,
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks so shanky.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like it's man in a rubber suit level shanky.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't even look as good as when Rhino briefly appears and seconds don't do Garfield spired among Phil.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they actually, they hang a lantern on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They say this is man in suit coming after him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually think that worked because they weren't pretending it was anything more than what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the back reference in their way home when these the others are telling incredible stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just had to fight this Russian and the Rhino suit once.
[SPEAKER_01]: That really made it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas they're trying to do something that they could not and would not do on this budget with a film like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other Sandra Nefola, who played the ride I was openly critical of the film because he didn't like.
[SPEAKER_01]: He felt he'd be the enjoy-playing this character and by all accounts he didn't like what they did with either the visuals or the sound effects they put on them and he felt it on the mind as performance and that he would personally have said to people stop that embarrassing if he was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a weird bit like where he does the screen and he said he did like a kind of silent screen and they dove in this weird sound
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like no human being has ever made that sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the hell is this?
[SPEAKER_02]: His performance isn't that bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like neither is I think Aaron Taylor Johnson's performance is not terrible.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's one of the better things in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's really bizarre that Craven doesn't have an accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: but his brother and his father both have Russian accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Particularly as his brother doesn't have a Russian accent when they're the younger versions of themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not so crazy at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to become a soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'll scrape later on.
[SPEAKER_03]: My son, Dimitri.
[SPEAKER_04]: This next one is for you, Papa.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: In those, I like Tony Bennett, to like Tony Bennett.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't trust anyone who does not like Tony Bennett.
[SPEAKER_03]: He can do anyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like Camillion.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can't take that away.
[SPEAKER_03]: These assassins, if they can get your boss in cage, I think we only need to take precautions.
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Come closer.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has gone, that makes your operations become vulnerable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like enough of your security, distribution, and most critically, peace of mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on board.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to think about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Order has to be restored.
[SPEAKER_03]: The sooner the better.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Rhino census records.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you write about in the comics, we're not sure if Craven has particularly a super powers or not, but in this it's pretty clear he's sort of that he gains powers from what Collipso gives him because he's like jumping off things and stopping animals and like there's a sort of powered sense to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought our Anna Debose's Collipso was fairly decent as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Russell Crowe actually choose the furniture in it, but that's, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a, he reminded me of his performance in the Pope's Exorcist.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a similar like kind of over the top thing, but I worked for the purposes of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I watched this film twice and yet just because I thought I'll maybe I missed something the first time because I felt myself zoning out during it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't find, cause I will even argue the case that, you know, people in this world know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've argued in defense of everything all the way from, you know, agents of shield wasn't brilliant when it started.
[SPEAKER_01]: I infest took a long time to find its feet, thought the dark world is still there, and it quite works.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've even argued for Mobius, but I've argued for Madden Webb.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could say, I didn't argue against secret invasions, the nicest way to put it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we believe it's just a fine positive, it's about fan forecasting.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did, and this is just, it is dreadful, but at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Darrya on the debate, she actually, I think she won the Razly for worse supporting actress, which aya that agreed with would be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's about time we stopped paying attention to these sort of point-and-lough festivals in public, as much as I with board sensors by this film.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's necessary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think she's bad in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: The acting is not really the problem with this film.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the script, the dialogue, the CGI, the structuring, it's all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think the foreigner is like kind of a cool batty in a way because he's a assassin who uses ocular hypnosis to disorientate his targets.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of cool and I don't think Christopher Abba is bad either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was weird because I remember him from his character in girls and so I was just sort of an interesting change of career he took on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the biggest fault of this film is genuinely very boring part of what contributes to that is it causes the side of what tone and what direction they want to go in because one of the things I found that was interesting
[SPEAKER_01]: And it lasts for about five minutes to start, so it looks like it's going to be some kind of political crime thriller when he's, it's not clear why he's in the remote Russian prison or why he's breaking out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they automate there is some reason they hit really explain it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking, I'm quite enjoying this, but then it goes a bit horror, it goes a bit, just straightforward, melodrama about the relationship between brothers and between son and father.
[SPEAKER_01]: It goes a bit of
[SPEAKER_01]: voodoo at one point, it goes a bit conservationy and it just doesn't seem to settle on anything and everything actually goes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: It isn't that interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're right, the star in the Russian prison and him hunting down the Anastrophicer is semi decent enough and then the plot, the, the whole momentum of the film just slows down to an absolute crawl when it jumps back to the
[SPEAKER_02]: to his origin story on the hunting trip in Ghana.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know it's early on, but genuinely that Lyon that attacks him.
[SPEAKER_02]: The CGI quality is over the quality of the Aslan in the Narnia films from quite some time ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so unconvincing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's also massive.
[SPEAKER_02]: They make it way too big.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of the animals in this are oversized and are kind of slightly out of scale.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think one thing that really didn't help
[SPEAKER_01]: is the, obviously, you know, he only appeared in Age of Ultron, although I suspect we will be seeing him again, given some things that are coming up, but I don't tell you the Johnson, have been quite prominently quick silver in the Avengers Age of Ultron, which I know, you know, people might forget less prominent characters, you know, obviously, the film doesn't come out yet, but people probably would be aware that my Hershey Relali was cotton mouth in Luke Cage as I was being played, but I think a lot of people
[SPEAKER_01]: who don't, you know, they're so, you know, that there's that maybe much difference between the, you know, certainly certain, broochy, high-quality critics don't seem to understand that there's a difference between Marvel Studios and so on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, average people probably got a bit, but no, some of them would be thinking, why if young John Lennon fighting some animals in the wild, but people would be thinking, what if he quicksilver, I don't understand this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially with all the multiverse stuff going on, and I think that probably counter the density, which is a shame, because like we said, I think he was really really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think some of the other people
[SPEAKER_01]: they approached Brad Pitt, for example, a key on the Reeves.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they would have taken a look at the script and said no to be honest with you, but I don't think they would have quiet in happening to the character the way he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it doesn't look like him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not his usual physicality.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can do that and feel somebody you've seen loads of very big films you've been, then I think you don't pretty well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a shame to see series of decent actors are drift in this script.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's incredible thing to me that they finish it with this, like you say, not enough people know really know that much about who Craven is or what his deal is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So near the end where his father, as his father is now dead, but the big fur vest, which is the iconic Craven costume, is gifted to him near the end of the film, and he hasn't worn it at all in the rest of the action.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do that as if it's going to have real import.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think most people don't know who the hell this character is anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a bit like who cares.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the ending is very suggestion of like he's going to clash with his brother who is, you know, who's now become comedian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, you just think, yeah, it is a bit like being a breathing in a pressure episode as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't really hold that much kind of promise of threat and menace to come, but obviously that is not going to come because it's fascinating to be the speed at which this happened because when obviously fed them the last dance was
[SPEAKER_01]: I personally didn't enjoy it as much as the first team, but that was still a medical film that was very well received, and there was still actual talk from Sony at that point about the Sunnis VI film, with all the villains introduced so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then suddenly a couple of weeks later, this comes out despite having wrapped in early twenty twenty-two, and at that point the basic thing were not doing anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know we'll be on the spy diversers coming up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will probably persevere with that in a couple of other things, but just to have dropped your plums that quickly and sort of, it's almost, putting this out to come to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like sticking to fingers with people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you're almost wondering if it was something like what we need.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a tax right off we need so we've best put it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am glad they released it though, because I don't like the culture not releasing things now.
[SPEAKER_01]: As boards, I don't resent I paid money to see it in the cinema.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I bought it on home release.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bought it on home release.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thirteen pounds I spent on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think we need to have that look at the drawbacks sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You enjoy things sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't, and that's what goes to the cinema should be about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone actually has a hundred percent hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying people should have to watch this, but everyone expects too much these days.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe they need Craven home to bring them back down to work a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you feel like I felt that the dialogue was basically of the fashion?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I say, it reminded me of the room a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody talks to anyone else in this film.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like any human has ever talked to any other human being ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're like the ridicule, Martin Webb got on the basis of one line using the trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which did actually, I will defend that house context in the film.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just, it's almost like stage directions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everyone says their intentions out loud at all times.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like blue back.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the worst film the man wears.
[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely, because Martin Webb has got that bit that I will genuinely fight for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, for about fifteen minutes when it is just full women on the run from a bad guy plotting how they go to kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It becomes a genuinely good film.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the rest of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas this has got nothing because I can't even cling onto that opening because they don't tell you what it's about.
[SPEAKER_01]: So normally, you know, I find at least something, maybe part of secret invasion in humans, they're recommended this, but I really really can't at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe, I don't know, I don't like the idea of people using this episode as next to you's not to watch it, but you know, I would excuse to take what we've said and decide for yourself whether you're interested in seeing, you know, whether of observations match up to because they might be more interested in anything in the film, but basically all of that left to ask now is Mick, you knew this was coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Taylor Johnson, you play Craven the Hunts, it was also quicksill, but they're just a divulgeron, so who was best?
[SPEAKER_01]: Quicksill for buying my bike, it was not even a good quicksill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I still say, Aaron's had a Johnson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not that he does a bad performance in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's possible to be good with scripts and the plot are so bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he is the best he could possibly be with the material he's given in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there you go, Aaron.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't say it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mick, thank you, and Excelsior.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excelsior.
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