[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, everyone, and welcome to Delta Flyers Journey Through the Wormhole with Quark, Dax, and the Good Friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek, Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_06]: Your host for today are my fellow Trek actors, Terry Ferrell, Robert Duncan McNeill, at my self-care at Wong, and very, very special guests.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're so pleased to have him, the one and only Sadig Elfado, or Alexander Sadig, or sad as we know him.
[SPEAKER_00]: any of the above, I'll answer to any of the above.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even hey, just say hey.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to jump back to something we talked about before we serve recording.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what I want to ask you is, you mentioned that you just watched this episode for the very first time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did that feel?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, because I know Terry's had that experience of watching episodes in this podcast for the first time,
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a very different emotional.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was quite emotional.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when I first watched it, because I kind of, you know, compartmentalized my time on Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, that's gone, you know, get used to your next life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And things will never be the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll never have a nine to five job again like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just really kind of relatively easy to money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hard job to get, but once you're in the door, you know, you know what you're doing for the next year, which is such an unheard of privilege for an actor who, as you know, we just have to just up and leave and we can't help, you know, compromise even our kids that will be anywhere for anything important in case we're working somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always equated to being in the army, except obviously it's not as rigorous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you could get petty kills in the army.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then acting's for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: but it was emotional I mean I watched that I watched that first few frames and first seeing everybody's name and obviously Renee is like the second name up and Renee's not with us anymore and that was really sad and
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, seeing all the old faces that I sort of took for granted and what sort of every, you know, because when you're doing it, you know, I was in my twenties, Terry, you were in your twenties.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, we were the youngest on the set.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, other than the kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were the youngest adults on there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So for Robby and for Terry and for Armin, when they started watching episodes of their respective shows, they all had this newfound appreciation for the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, a sense of pride for the show, a sense of accomplishment for the show that they didn't have before rewatching it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I want to ask you also have that same feeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's funny because, as you know, as every Star Trek fan knows, especially Star Trek fans who are, you know, in their teens or above in the nineties.
[SPEAKER_00]: So old Star Trek fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, men's guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, better spread.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were not cool in the nineties watching this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were incredibly uncool, in fact.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool in your own household, you were cool to your family and friends, but as a genre, as a fan base, it was like, Tricky's a kind of weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's now obviously flipped on his head because the whole world has flipped on his head and we can list them anyways as.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a lot of it was kind of burying it because maybe I'll never get another job if I shout about this too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of Star Trek actors, especially from that era.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had trouble finding work right after Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_00]: People were like, no, but thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're exposed or whatever it was they said or we don't really want to associate with ourselves with that franchise.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in producing jobs just as recently as like five six years ago because of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's crazy because you weren't an alien.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it wasn't like you had weird makeup.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm saying a doctor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really strange.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we had makeup.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd probably find it easier to segue because I was like, yeah, I think sometimes that makeup hit the actors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were more anonymous.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just so touching to see everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: It was, I mean, I just saw this one episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just really, really bold over by it, really, really impressed with the production, actually, as much as anything, as much as the actors I know and their fabulous.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the production is really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if the episode I saw the Armman Bashir episode, which I now know is Season Four,
[SPEAKER_00]: episode ten because I just bought a copy of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a little mini-bond movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's very similar.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the past dish really works.
[SPEAKER_00]: The satire really works.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then on top of that you've also got people on the station, scrambling around trying to resurrect these guys who misbeamed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was really touching, actually.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's also interesting how you brought up how Nites fans fans of DS Nine and Voyager were unpopular in the general public or at school, you know, those teenagers.
[SPEAKER_06]: They were kind of ridiculed for being Star Trek fans.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then we as actors from those nighty shows, like you said, after the ending of our shows, we're a bit ridiculed by the business in terms of, oh no, we can't use you.
[SPEAKER_06]: You were part of that franchise.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there's that sort of parallel that goes on that I just
[SPEAKER_00]: the biggest thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Deep Space Nine and Voyager Act to us to a slightly lesser extent was unpopular even amongst the unpopular people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: My good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: C&G being the prize cow.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Everyone loved that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: The truth is going to be back or I couldn't I can't complain about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I want.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what I want to say is, I would watch a series with you and Andy as the Spighters.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love that relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: We love that relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sharing area.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I treasure and these presents every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, a little tidbit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never told you Terry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ted Denson rang me before he cost you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was really happy to say you're great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did his due diligence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, first days, Robbie, who do we have?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, our first birthday to Dominic Burgess are lovely longtime Patreon supporter Dominic happy birthday in July, twenty ninth happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday Dominic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday Dominic.
[SPEAKER_06]: The birthday, Dom.
[SPEAKER_06]: Next up, we have Tim Newmark who does not give us his exact birthday, but it's sometime in the end of July.
[SPEAKER_06]: So sometime during the end of July, be birthday, Tim.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy birthday, Tim.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Tim.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whenever it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Whenever it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Terry, that's another yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for bringing that up.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a possibility, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll have a great birthday to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have a great end of July, birthday.
[SPEAKER_06]: Time for our poetry synopsis starting with Robbie McNeill with his liberic of our man, Bashir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Sid, we do a little creative arts here at our podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do a little poetry synopsis to try to summarize the essence of this television show in the art form of the Limerick.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're putting big wood out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't follow the exact rules of a Limerick, but it's in the Limerick zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: So here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Julian's hollow time gets complicated when garrick appears.
[SPEAKER_02]: The transporters are a mess.
[SPEAKER_02]: So wrong, volunteers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Earth may end up a lava in Fernow.
[SPEAKER_02]: What we need is a hero.
[SPEAKER_02]: His name is Bashir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Julian Bashir.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: My synopsis.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here is my IQ.
[SPEAKER_06]: Doc loves to play spy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Cisco does Dr. No Proud.
[SPEAKER_06]: From is my guy, ver.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really, really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're
[SPEAKER_00]: because it was real that off last night, like in a couple of minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how about this morning?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very good job though.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: With the poems as as kitschy as it is in silly in some ways, it sort of forces you to sort of reevaluate.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the essence of this episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Tell a play is by Ronald D. Moore, story by Bob Gillin, directed by Vinilish Corbe, Mr. Colby himself.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Baron to you, DS Niners, and we never called him.
[SPEAKER_06]: We just had Colby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you call him the Baron?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe I'm in, but I'm, you know, I do what I'm told with directors and I'm mess around with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very dangerous.
[SPEAKER_02]: The girl in the nickname.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Guestars Max Redenchik is Ram, Kenneth Marshall, as Michael Edington, Special Guestar Andrew Robinson is Garic.
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, we have two co-stars in this, Melissa Young as Caprice and Marcy Brickhouse as Mona loves it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not very funny.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Both of those characters are in the hall deck, of course.
[SPEAKER_06]: Lobba de Trevia, the title of this episode, plays homage to the nineteen sixty-six Daniel Man film, our Man Flint, which itself is also a parody of James Bond.
[SPEAKER_06]: The producers of DSline were very wary of doing a holiday malfunction story.
[SPEAKER_06]: due to the fact that it had been done a number of times on the next generation.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they were wary of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But writer Bob Gillin's unique pitch of using the transporter to store the patterns of the crew in the holiday matrix.
[SPEAKER_06]: One, the DS-nine producers over.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Most de-space-nine episodes were shot in seven days with the occasional episode taking eight similar to Voyager.
[SPEAKER_06]: But our man Bashir actually took nine.
[SPEAKER_06]: And according to, yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Robbie, we've never done a nine day episode ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how you like it doesn't feel like it should have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder why.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's why.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, he was there.
[SPEAKER_06]: He said it had the longest production of any single episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: The main reasons for this were the elaborate stunts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then there were a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just set up like the initial scene, the guy being thrown through the blank glass window.
[SPEAKER_06]: A lot of time to set up and re-shoot after you know, you have to do the take.
[SPEAKER_06]: That takes a lot of time.
[SPEAKER_06]: There was also a lot of complex sets, many of which ended their own limitations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mount Everest.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Mount that, yes, they came in one day.
[SPEAKER_06]: The mountains were not painted with snow.
[SPEAKER_06]: They had to take those down and repaint them.
[SPEAKER_06]: So a lot of overtime went into this for a second structure.
[SPEAKER_06]: Another little bit of trivia is that MGM, who owns the James Bond franchise, they were not happy about this episode when it aired and shot off a letter to production stating all their, you know, all of their complaints.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because of James Bond, because they didn't want to be a part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're having fun using.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, people just don't even think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because James Bond changed his phone.
[SPEAKER_00]: James.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to throw out when we watch sort of calis and Steve Oster took that day out.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, they added the day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Could you imagine this episode without that extra day?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would have been as good if they really needed it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's just jump right into this episode starting off with we we start off with a man being thrown through a plate glass window.
[SPEAKER_06]: So this episode already starts off with the bang.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Great stunt.
[SPEAKER_06]: We realize this is in the hall of sweet.
[SPEAKER_06]: The sheer is there.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I just I just love how he uses the champagne pork to knock the bad guy out.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then was totally improvised.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, you're a good actor.
[SPEAKER_02]: We believed you for a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I paused.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are so lucky because how often do we improvise like never?
[SPEAKER_02]: Never.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was there experience on the show that you had to be word perfect?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a lot, everyone we talked to and on, on Voyager was the same way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could not change a word.
[SPEAKER_00]: How was that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dad let her perfect love me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was frowned upon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we just had to do it again.
[SPEAKER_03]: To be fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Part of the reason is that a lot of the stuff we were saying, especially Terry and myself was just very technical.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they researched it and figured it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had to get it right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the nearest, I mean, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a bunch of scientists really like that the show because the technical stuff is hypothetically made sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, you two had the two hardest jobs in terms of dialogue, because every trick show, it's the science officer and the doctor that have the hardest technobavill to get through.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you two are the ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: We with the one said, is it true?
[SPEAKER_02]: Armin has told us that you and Colum were able to learn your lines in the morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would come in reading off of the sides of the pages.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the time you were shooting, you would have it down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Armin would have it down.
[SPEAKER_02]: You haven't done it in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you guys were lazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were just a lazy lady.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're very smart men.
[SPEAKER_00]: We went out in the evenings.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we went to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when we got a little lunch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you go out with column?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you and column hang out?
[SPEAKER_00]: We used to go out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we used to go to, there's a bar called the Formosa, which is an Irish bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: The end of the street, actually, on guard industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's still in Los Angeles or I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went there with him too.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also where we could smoke inside, because we were smokers.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when they stop smoking, I remember going there with Colin and him lighting, I'm like, we're getting in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want to hear?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But so we have a hit and I'm like, where do I blow it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He made me go and buy the drinks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went up to the bar and I said, I'll have two kinds of ale, please.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the bomb is that we don't serve your kind here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you're kidding my column and I was like, did I?
[SPEAKER_00]: He set you up because you're English.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, I just rewind for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was teasing you though, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He, no, I don't know whether it was a set-up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I, I would guess it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Call him send you out.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's totally totally.
[SPEAKER_06]: The guy that flies backwards through the plate glass window, the heavy, the, the, the, the, the, the guy.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's the one with the patch that later, oh, Brian Falcons that, yeah, he is Falcon, but it's obviously an actor playing Falcon because the holiday hasn't been compromised yet.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: So this is the actual real character that we see.
[SPEAKER_06]: So.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he kisses Bashir kisses the girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then suddenly there is endless applause behind him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he looks around.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's garric applauding.
[SPEAKER_02]: I literally sleepless.
[SPEAKER_02]: Andy just applause and applause and applause and applause and stops kind of like a joke that's funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's not and then it's funny again.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you do it long enough, that's what it was like.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes on and on.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the moment I should have shot garric.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What did you write some of that up?
[SPEAKER_00]: And a point of order, I don't think it was stressed enough, and I did, but she has stressed it, but not enough, just how out of line-guaract was coming into my fantasy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't imagine having a fantasy and just turning around and going, move?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, not for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have something to say on?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing here?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am getting right out of this bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's illegal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's illegal, guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: This isn't me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I fell in here by accident, but where are you doing here?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I didn't know that it's illegal.
[SPEAKER_06]: Your character says that.
[SPEAKER_06]: You said breaking into a hall of sweet during someone's program is not only rude.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's illegal.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's never been my state.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is that before, though, in start.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've never known.
[SPEAKER_02]: That makes sense, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you threatened to call auto and have arrested.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's rude.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, real real.
[SPEAKER_02]: And illegal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we go into the, uh, the, uh, still in the Hall of Program, we're in Bashir, Sweetnecks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's this beautiful penthouse in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So pretty.
[SPEAKER_02]: How loon?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just, just, the second, we're in the second scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a new set.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is part of the nine day problem that you guys had to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just as a point of order.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a wonderful, um, design team on, on, on, on, on deep space as, as did you on Voyager and, uh, on next generation as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Nathan Crowley, who was just in the art department at that time, and Joe Hodges, they were both British, so they were friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: We hung out a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nathan Crowley's gone on to win a bunch of Oscars for his designs of all the movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just won the Oscar last year for, I'm not sure what movie he designed, but he works with the top directors in the world, and he's at on his second Oscar.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got his own designer in the world, and he started in the art department on Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_00]: for the whole of the run of Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was there before they had the computers to help them with all the digital enhancement the way they do it now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We weren't calling each other with cell phones still.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said still had a beeper.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should look up.
[SPEAKER_00]: The movie was more useful information Nathan who was the art director on on Star Trek went on to as production designer as the boss In two thousand two you did insomnia then he did Batman begins then he I'm just skipping through the dark night John Carter dark night rises Westworld Dunkirk the greatest showman and he did wicked just last year, so that's how he
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we did wicked.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and for the listeners out there, so if he was an art director on DS nine, he was basically the number two.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were shed position number two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, the production designer is the boss of that whole department.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it her name?
[SPEAKER_00]: Big boss?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the big boss.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Joseph Hodges and Nathan Crowley were both the art directors underneath.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember Joe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they do all the negotiating and whip snapping the whip at the construction crew and making sure everything's done to speck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you have to actually have a kind of architectural, some architecture.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to be art directors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of the fact that people actually walk and you're set, they're always practical.
[SPEAKER_00]: People have to use them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't collapse in the middle of a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of art designers have started their lives as art directors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's amazing that he's gone under such messages, not the biggest production designer in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's incredible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, Bravo!
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in this penthouse in Kaloon, we do also mean Mona loves it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that name.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that name.
[SPEAKER_00]: My name is great name.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she hears Valle.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's a classic bond girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: And but she'll tell us that she's programmed to have basically every talent possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's like a mathematician and speaks seven languages and then makes clothes and she's like, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's things that he doesn't mention.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that will be above the line talents.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'd be saying exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mona loves it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be very sad later in our story when Mona.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he likes the dust.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just keep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting ahead of myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garrick asks about the program, but she feels him in.
[SPEAKER_02]: We learned that we're in a cold war story, and Bashir explains the British government pays for all of this, provides it all, which I love, garyx reaction to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I joined the wrong intelligence service.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's the other great thing about this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's so many of these great one-liners such as that earlier when you pop the cork you said that the dumb, you know, forty-five has such a cake or whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's these tiny little bond phrases.
[SPEAKER_06]: The bond like phrases that just were lovely.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So well done by the writers.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ron Moore did a great job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did one of your memories of Ron?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you must have some thoughts about Ron?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ramon?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was really quiet, kept himself to himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's as far as I was concerned.
[SPEAKER_00]: He may be in the law fry, but everyone else.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was kind of blanking me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a lovely guy and very gentle, very thoughtful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, for example.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we didn't have a lot of interaction with the writers except for the boss.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we obviously get talk a lot with Ira.
[SPEAKER_00]: The writers come to set occasionally, always usually come when they're for their show, they turn up, but they'd hover and disappear.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were not rock stars.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't want to be treated as rock stars.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they were rock stars because they came up with these astonishing ideas.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this idea of keeping the
[SPEAKER_00]: the entire neural network in a whole suite program is just a great idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those things are incredibly hard, working incredibly hard to everything done.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know we went on again to be one of the great showrunners in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a great, you know, that all of the Star Trek, so really just really great incubators for talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always used to refer to it as a university for me, because I couldn't call myself an actor when I first started on Star Trek, and nodded to critics, but then, but after a little while, I began to learn, because it was, you couldn't be fired easily, and you were, so you got a chance to fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: And young people today, it's just starting out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really don't get that opportunity, because network TV is very forgiving, and that's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So nowadays you're in real trouble if you make mistakes, which is a young person you're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we were all really privileged to be a part of a team where, you know, they're suited to try to fire me twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them said no.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were like,
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, you mentioned the critics in the early on.
[SPEAKER_06]: We haven't come across anything like that online.
[SPEAKER_06]: What critics?
[SPEAKER_06]: What were they?
[SPEAKER_00]: I got my first review that someone showed me.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave me a scrapbook of reviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was hardly ever mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the one that I did notice that, quote, my eye was at the last line of the review was, oh, and Bashir throws like a girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Make up that what you will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think it was negative.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think it was positive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, no, it's that so I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, I ain't been here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love actually, it's actually kind of an interesting story because it's one of the reasons why I think that our man Bashir got greenlit because it got to revamp the character of Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was supposed to fall in love with Dax, but clearly I wasn't cutting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: in that in the producer's art.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, because I just wasn't, you know, glitching off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, like, at that time, we were competing, we chose like Melrose Place, and I know two one-oh.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, Sid, are you talking about the first season?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: because that was that that was I was told that they had in the first year contract you guys all remember this you you get hired for the pilot and they have a choice they can let you go free and clear after that or between episode after seven episodes
[SPEAKER_03]: and then they can again at thirteen so they can fire you after the pilot after seven after thirteen and after thirteen if they decide to use you then they can't let you go without having to honor the entire contract right well the studio tried twice to get rid of me and rift just went up we have a plan for him
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a man we kind of orchestrated was that this guy was going to grow up on TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the farm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: A great arc, great story arc.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really worked well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But we'll try to fire you was based on just letters from fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not impressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they weren't particularly impressed with the whole show.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was, yeah, unsurprising that, you know, people really, people really liked the gung-ho-ness of next generation and the kind of the really obvious archetypes of, you know, Jonathan Franks, good looking, leading man and, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: wise old captain making sure the ship is steady and all those sort of Do you said it well archetypes is kind of perfect I mean we don't use all the types we didn't fit into that we just missed it and we didn't have a ship but the purpose of your show is we had a sister yeah but the purpose of your show is a bit of misfits on this space station I love the premises
[SPEAKER_02]: is baked into these characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got the perfect characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, said, and these guys will back me up when we first started watching DS nine, Garrett and I have never seen this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is our first time watching it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was on team this year early on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was hardcore team this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved your character.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love what you did with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you were the most the funniest and most charming and I just I loved your character honestly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've since gone on to team quark.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love quark.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was team quark was the first was the most runaway the most popular character on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he was funny and he was He was the one everybody was like loved and that's all
[SPEAKER_00]: I love him now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't get him in the beginning, but I've grown to love him in the Farangies a lot.
[SPEAKER_07]: I really love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to also comment about the way that you put young actors having the opportunity to fail.
[SPEAKER_02]: The broadcast network television gave young actors this opportunity.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard that stated so beautifully.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really a great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And particularly on Star Trek, you talk about like they were going to maybe fire you, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Star Trek takes time, like every series, whether it's next gen or your show or Voyager or Discovery, these days, Star Trek just takes a little while to get everything right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so glad they kept your character.
[SPEAKER_02]: And meet him, he gets you back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all these characters, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It allows the shoulder to fail a little.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not on your shoulders, but on the Star Trek franchise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we can find out feet and all the fans see different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, who would have known that, you know, Dax became an LGBTQ icon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, these things we didn't know at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was just in her not being judgmental.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also the fact that you were actually both sexes in one, which is something people love.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: They really complicated, complex things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just around the like bowing down sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: That character for doing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember the time though that you weren't there for the group photo.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were all asking where you were.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I can't remember which production person, which producer was like, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're taking the picture now.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we were so freaked out that you weren't there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I stayed out because I was furious about the fact that we weren't getting paid for a merchandising.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just walked out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we didn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I tried.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the fire, the marketer who didn't get me there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So because she didn't get me on that stage, they fired her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a real lesson that my actions, however, yeah, consequences, yeah, for other people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's too bad.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are now in a shuttle.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're in the run about Orenoko and Cisco and the senior staff are returning from conference like an off world conference.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so they actually are just about to dock when all the sudden all the systems start failing one after another.
[SPEAKER_06]: the work core is about to basically explode, and it's time for them to eject the work core.
[SPEAKER_06]: But that doesn't even work because the ejection system is missing so they realize some type of sabotage has happened.
[SPEAKER_06]: We later learned that is a small tiny
[SPEAKER_06]: fractured Cardassian splinter group that did it, but the problem is they're going to have to try to beam them aboard the station.
[SPEAKER_06]: But during the beam out, something happens.
[SPEAKER_06]: They don't appear.
[SPEAKER_06]: They just sort of appear.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a cloud of smoke that we see.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like an over of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're starting to shimmer in and then it just moved them or gone.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like it was like a David top or sealed magic trick kind of a thing smoke.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was kind of odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only thing I was like I was worried about the smoke because where are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Beaming all these particles in and then reassembling them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then this smoke.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is that smart miracle and smoke.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, so when you get everyone back someone's going to be missing an ear or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and we blew it as a window.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're really smelly.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's smelly.
[SPEAKER_06]: That hand.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're sweating.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, I find it interesting that Eddington is basically running this station because everybody had gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they brought in Eddington to be the boss.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's running the place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eddington's trying to figure out what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo arrives tries to save their transporter patterns in the buffer.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're really panicking.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not enough computer memory to store all of their signatures.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to try and erase all this data from other parts of the computers, so they have enough room for the signature patterns.
[SPEAKER_02]: When suddenly there's a blackout and like a restart, it almost felt like the whole station is kind of like a boom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Generating power.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Resurbing that back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Eddington basically tells the computer to, you know, shut down any, erase anything that you have to to make room for these buffers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to do it really quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the blackout, the restart of the computer, you know, emergency systems, Eddington thinks they've saved everything, all the, all the buffers, but he's not sure where it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how we go out of the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think we've got him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't know where somewhere on this station.
[SPEAKER_03]: But didn't you kind of know?
[SPEAKER_03]: But we kind of, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you watch enough Star Trek, where else are they going to go?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got James Bond on the holiday.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to be in the holiday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unless we cut back to the holiday and there's nothing in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would have been super bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would have been bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what do we do?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where do we go next?
[SPEAKER_02]: To be sure's apartment, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you kidding?
[SPEAKER_03]: We're back there.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_05]: crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garyx getting his, his outfit is turtleneck, which I thought was very cute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mona loves it is helping him out because she can do everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can so close and and all the below the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a fantasy about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you guys both look very handsome.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm happy that you changed into something more comfortable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we hear this noise was here turns.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's ready for trouble.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the wall turns around.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: in a negligee or, you know, satan gown on the bed, and she has a Russian accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that she has a Russian accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's really, really good at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you remember of that Russian, like, was that a maybe we'll do it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we won't, or what do you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was without unquestioned, never.
[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as it came out, it was just great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what we were.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the right tone.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it suits the episode so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tongue-in-cheek, you know, it's not pretending to be Russian.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's pretending to be an actor who's pretending to be Russian.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's really good at accents.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, she's really good at accents.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's a little bit, here's a little quote here from Nanah.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is one of Nanah's favorite, these past nine episodes and her quote, it was so much fun that show was a joy to do.
[SPEAKER_06]: How many times is it an necessity to do a bad Russian accent?
[SPEAKER_06]: I was in heaven.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was ideal for me and to come out of a wall in a round bed, it just doesn't get better than that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Love that truth.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she looks spectacular.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just now putting together the comment about the elaborate sets in the nine days part of the elaborate sets are these moving parts which we don't normally do walls turning walls rising up and
[SPEAKER_02]: all of that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, with the guns on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's details.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a feeling and I may be wrong about the chronology and then I will correct if need be.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we were together at that point in our and I.
[SPEAKER_00]: but no one knew it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: What year was it made?
[SPEAKER_00]: What year was that one made?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was that made?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that four seasons?
[SPEAKER_00]: Ninety five, ninety six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was the beginning of ninety five, if it was in ninety five, we were together and not everybody knew.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's possible that they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a whole period of time that we were dating.
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, we didn't want anyone to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're doing all of this down on the down low, you know, wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: You kept it secret for a while then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, because it's a work thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, yeah, she and Nana or Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: is playing the role of anesthesia, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough, come on enough,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm on and off.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm on and off.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm on and off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on and off.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm on and off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm on and off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm
[SPEAKER_02]: They explain about this transporter accident and that they cannot shut off this holiday program because it could kill everybody if they're if they're you know pattern buffers are stuck in the holiday.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now the new rule got to keep going got to keep playing the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does say Cisco, Kira, Worf, Dax, and O'Brien all exist in the whole sweet database, and he signs off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then back in the apartment, Kira explains this Russian mission, Kira, or, come on and off, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever it is, that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is common.
[SPEAKER_06]: She does it so brilliantly, that one line when she says, I wish I wish I could relax you, but I am here on business and she reaches back behind her.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yes, I love it too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so full of her, like, I'm going to wait.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's more.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's one more after that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because it started so sexy and seductive.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think I could head to you, but I get on business.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was just like, oh my God, it's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: She does the file bit twice, which is brilliant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plains about these artificial earthquakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We learn about this scientist named Honey Bear.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is Dax.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dax is Honey Bear with the science glasses on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the look for Honey Bear.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honey Bear is kidnapped.
[SPEAKER_02]: We learn.
[SPEAKER_02]: And suddenly the door opens.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a Mona.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's her last name?
[SPEAKER_06]: Mona loves it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mona loves it's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then she falls down on the ground with a knife in her back.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's part of the program, though, obviously.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, not no one else.
[SPEAKER_06]: No one was hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one was hurt.
[SPEAKER_06]: No one was hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one was hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so maybe she wasn't supposed to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't supposed to be a Brian.
[SPEAKER_01]: I needed her talents.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has a lot of talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be a little too soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even in James Bond, they, they keep the women with the.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they.
[SPEAKER_03]: And until the end, you know, Hillary, like in the first ten minutes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_03]: He hadn't even had sex with her yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that we're married to bond to die early in one of the bond.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Miles is there as Falcon, the Falcon character with the iPad, just as about it is he's about to shoot Bashir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira says no wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: It tells Falcon, just let me have one more kiss.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as he agrees, he steps away.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have the kiss and she whispers here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he takes her earring very sexy kiss by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very sexy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that was method acting there because it was real kiss in
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, but just as he raises the gun, but your toss is the earring.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it blows up into a puff of smoke to distract them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now the fight, we're into a big fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Classic bond fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the fight choreography and this was great.
[SPEAKER_06]: I like the early moment when he says, let us have one kiss.
[SPEAKER_06]: And when last case in a Brian answers, why not?
[SPEAKER_06]: I've always been a romantic hard flick to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: You got a very funny line.
[SPEAKER_06]: But we did say that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they win, but Gary's bleeding, which shows us that the safety's are off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this holiday, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in all these computer malfunctions, the safety's are off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when Kira goes to shoot Falcon, be sure stops, or he goes, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you shoot Falcon, it would kill miles, a Brian, who is his pattern buffer is in the character.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we can't kill the bad guys here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where Gary says, you know, in his wisdom of being a spy, well, you're going to have to make some choices, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you may have to let someone die.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a game anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love, I love Kira's like, who's DAX?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira does say that Dr. Noah, who's in Paris, may be behind the Honeyberg kidnapping.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we're off to Paris, off we go to Paris.
[SPEAKER_06]: Do we talk about the fact that if the character is killed that the computer will race their pattern, is that we talk about that already too?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sort of yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just insinuated, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's definitely the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: If one of these people even gets hurt, they might lose, we might lose them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and those stakes are the same for Beshear too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, normally he plays this game and if he gets killed or whatever, it's the end of that round, but right.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not today.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm safe to serve off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: New rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're out at back on the station in a corridor at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ron and Eddington take off a panel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that opening shot, classic Rick Colby, you know, with the panel coming off and out of that foreground.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rick does such, he's got such a good eye for for for directing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's really, really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Ron and Quarker helping
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, adding some here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, Ron has rigged the hollow computer with makes a part, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: He mentions a spatula that he used, which I thought was very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, we are learning a lot about Ron and how smart he is with recent development, because for three years, he was not treated as well.
[SPEAKER_07]: He was just like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this one takes it up, you know, a big jump.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not just a spatula.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the only kitchen utensil.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you look closely, there's also a strainer strainer is also used to
[SPEAKER_06]: It's so much Magai for here.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Addington does find their physical patterns in the hollow computer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So their physical buffer is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Quark mentions that, you know, their minds are so complex that they're being stored all over different parts of the computer system.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not going to be as simple as just finding them in the hollow program.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're scattered all over the computer systems all over the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they have to reintegrate the neural energy, which is all over the station with their physical patterns, which is in the hollow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like that Quark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quark jumps in with some smartness here, which doesn't often happen that he's got actual
[SPEAKER_02]: helpful contributions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually there's always an angle, but this was at a little different quirk in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to a nightclub in Paris next.
[SPEAKER_02]: The joints jumping with gogo dancers, encages, Bashir, Kira, and Garic arrive at the club.
[SPEAKER_02]: They asked to see Dr. Noah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we see a shadow, they're point of view, a shadow in the glass.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could tell that that was worth from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could not figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see sort of it was a little, I'm like, that's got to be worth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because now I'm not a little broad for anybody else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm playing the, all right, who's next?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who are we going to see, you know, who's Avery going to be?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's Michael going to be?
[SPEAKER_02]: So characters they're going to play.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a fun sort of play along episode for the, for the audience.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we find out that this is, it is worth, but he is not Dr. Noah, as Bashir thinks he is.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's do sharp.
[SPEAKER_06]: Do sharp is sort of the associate of Dr. Noah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But Bashir is really intent on getting this meeting with Dr. Noah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the only way that this is going to happen is if he can pay five million francs to do sharp.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so they start a game of fucker up back and forth.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the funny part is in the very beginning when Deschamps says, so where's your money?
[SPEAKER_06]: He pulls out one bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he's like, well, I've had the money.
[SPEAKER_06]: Where's the rest of your money?
[SPEAKER_06]: He's like, in front of you, saying, I'm gonna weed all of your money.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna weed all of your money.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're all your money.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're in France.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is gonna be a long game of fucker up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: What team days later?
[SPEAKER_06]: There's still a thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: You've got five o'clock shadow from not shaving everyone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fifty friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, Michael was smoking a cigar in this scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Worf was smoking a cigar in this scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I couldn't remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did Michael smoke cigars back then?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like cigars were very trendy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they all did.
[SPEAKER_03]: They might say, but it was him and Franks and Levar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Levar's, I remember Levar was really into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So was Bob Piccardo in our show.
[SPEAKER_06]: He had a membership at that Havana club, and he was really into some of Bob was way into cigars, but he did not know how to blow smoke rings like, look,
[SPEAKER_06]: You noticed that he blew three smoke rings out at in the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was thinking, Oh my gosh, Michael Dorn, good for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's professional cigars.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a professional cigar smoker.
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we go back to ops.
[SPEAKER_02]: We learned about the card-assing separatists here that they claim responsibility for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Adding to this scene says, you know, Quark was right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I made a note finally some Quark.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one ever says anything nice about work.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like an elix on our show.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one ever said nice about me like they're going to try to use the defiant though to reintegrate all these patterns.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's their idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: ROM says he'll have to reconfigure the holo systems to work with starfleet systems, so that's going to take a little time.
[SPEAKER_06]: We go back to the the Paris Light Club, back to the game of Bacara, but she takes a card, and it's a four.
[SPEAKER_06]: So now his total of cards, it was nine and nine is in
[SPEAKER_06]: automatic winner in the game of Boccarot.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he wins the five million.
[SPEAKER_06]: He wins the five million Franks and he's ready to see Dr. Noah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Bashir says, when do we leave?
[SPEAKER_06]: Worse is right now and blows through his cigar, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or they showed he was going into a cigar pack and one had a red
[SPEAKER_03]: a band around it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He took that band off and that's the one with the powder that that letters them unconscious, which is a big contribution just now is this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: We need a detailed thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is a throw.
[SPEAKER_06]: This actually happened in a bond movie, though, where one did.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it was a female agent that blew her cigarette into bonds face and he was unconscious.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my shit.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a bunch of.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Cindy, do you play Bokara?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no idea about the rules of buckler.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't either.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know about the nine until you just said that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But actually, I showed your cards.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, well, that doesn't look like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I was thinking they're twenty-one or poker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was thinking poker too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very simply shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you guys noticed, but it was just sort of this panning camera from Kira down to the table up to Michael.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he stayed in these tight shots that were just sort of panning and flowing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I think,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was very simple but elegant coverage in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: That up and then you fell out of frame and the close-ups when you got the smoke and you're very brave actually because moving cameras is not big on the list of Star Trek fact things that they like.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean not a deep space nine things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to constantly for the other shows, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's expensive and costly to set up, you know, you've got to lay down track and pull the stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the whole thing, the whole thing has to be it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when it's a one or like that, someone perhaps aligned.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, oh, we've got to go back and start again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So and Rick particularly didn't like, I mean, his golden rule was no one can ever cut on the move.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just hated anyone cutting on the move.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you had to bring the camera to a standstill and then cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that fast MTV cutting on the moves stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when you directed, did he go through all of those rules of his things like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: But he kind of let me know because what I did was I was kind of pally with him anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he gave me quite unprecedented access.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would sit with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: as he was having his edit of the, of each of the shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he, you know, talking into my, you're shadowing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I would be on a couch with a big screen in front of us and he'd just go through, I want to clip ten, ten frames of that, that take.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want this too much of this person.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like their teeth or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know what I mean, he'll go through every minus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The show into shape.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't make that mainly what I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have to spend so much time shadow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just got to see that him just condense it, which was like, that's the smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You look a lot from bad, so those sessions will tell them, sure, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I enjoyed, you know, the generally, the shadowing in general, because I was a director before I was an actor and it was much more important to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was much more original.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think any of us knew that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went to an acting school because there was no such thing as a directing school in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in,
[SPEAKER_00]: But you could go to acting school if you could get in because it was really hard to get in to acting school.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I got in and then just put all my energy into how does this going to work on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I did create a, we had a third company afterwards.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did make it, we made it work.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at one point, they found out that I was there to direct and they got one of the teachers was furious.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just wasted a space.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone who could have been allowed that could have been.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm glad you continued doing it.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're acting career worked out.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you sent a memo to that teacher saying, well, yeah, I think it worked out just fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he coded me in the bow one day after school because we could have we were, you know, at eighteen, you can drink.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we were all in the pub and he was like, you are the second worst actor in this school.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was furious with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who the worst ever actor was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, tough teaching.
[SPEAKER_02]: Acting school can be one of the toughest places because it can be.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can be.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was also beautiful to be around a bunch of people who all think the same way and who are very happy to talk about the kind of craziness of art, you know, about like, you know, most people would say that's just being self-indulgent in England.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're neurotic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this we could we just took art all day and the art of acting and the art of theater and that was great fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we would three years day in day out with vacation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like a school course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the next scene we have here is in the hall of sweets in a sitting room.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see there's a fire.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, vase in the middle.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, we realized we're at some near some snow-capped mountains through the windows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira wakes up from being knocked out in the previous scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she speaks Russian.
[SPEAKER_02]: She actually speaks a little bit of Russian at the top of the scene, which was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garrett comments on the decor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He takes a little shot at the decor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says another decorator's nightmare.
[SPEAKER_02]: This era has a distinct lack of taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love, I love, I love Garyx.
[SPEAKER_02]: A aesthetic comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's always got like an opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to, like, okay, he's gonna have an opinion about everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody has a friend like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know why we always have a friend that we don't like.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all put up with that person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Cisco finally arrives in his character and we learn that his name is
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I came up with that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he was his performance.
[SPEAKER_06]: His team God.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's tuned in.
[SPEAKER_06]: He really was.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think I think he's playing this role.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's just I felt like he had fun with those.
[SPEAKER_06]: He really did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we go to commercial break.
[SPEAKER_02]: We come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco is is first starts with a test for Bashir about the stones in the vase.
[SPEAKER_02]: He asks him, you know, kind of mentions his vase and Bashir just goes off on the
[SPEAKER_02]: the rubies, the tourmaline, the sapphire, the topaz, the chromian content of the rubies, you know, is where they're from.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you know that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because I was thinking to myself when I read the script, it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: How would I know this stuff?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not in, I'm not in, I'm not in blood with knowledge in my whole sweet program.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, you know, I'm just dumb old Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is a forerunner of the fact that he is genetically enhanced.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that
[SPEAKER_00]: What that enhanced mode in we don't know this yeah, I don't know this but it's a forum because that kind of knowledge is the kind of thing he would have known as an enhanced person and I didn't know it either but when I watched it this morning I was like
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they gave me a clue, because I knew all this stuff, which is not my value, it's not my explanation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, and I did really well.
[SPEAKER_06]: You did, but said the way I figured it, well, the way I looked at it, when I watched this, I assumed that just as we all love our favorite book books, and we go back and read our favorite books, I thought this was maybe a favorite chapter of yours from this Halloween program that you had played it before, and you had been in this scene before, where you had to be,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a much better explanation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize that these characters existed in another form somehow.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how I assumed it too.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's well done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fine Garrett, but I like Sid's because it's it's giving me a clue into something I didn't know about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a coincidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we actually had a fight about it because once they enhanced the character, which was a surprise to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: He suddenly was exponentially more knowledgeable and capable of, you know, mathematics that he hadn't been capable of before.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to really fight with the writers saying, because he figured out why we were in the defiant.
[SPEAKER_00]: and something was happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knew how long a missile would take five from a point X to reach us, given the velocity of distance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's above normal, but she has pay grade.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I understand what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then why weren't there more little tells all along the way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of furious that they dumped it in my lap because I could have really prayed for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also contributed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that would make sense if that was like a unknown thing about your character.
[SPEAKER_03]: It should have been something that there were more little splashes of that in every episode should have had something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I when I saw that, I thought that was an easter egg, but I obviously think you're rational is much better.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, but still Robin are going to look forward to seeing super human computer this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was always I was always really nervous and conscious of the fact that I was one of the less popular characters so I always very cynically I always thought
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the show isn't doing well, so they're going to get someone in to do this and they're going to turn this character into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then now, you know, data is such a popular character on the next generation.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to turn the show into a data so that people get their data from the experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was really, really resisting that because it would open up a whole box of spectrum related issues that
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we kind of needed a lot of care and attention if you were going to get involved in that seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Bashir does recognize that they're near the top of Mount Everest because of the geology of all this or the fact that he played the game before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco calls it his island, though, and then he explains, and there's this cool set change where the wall goes up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see Dax and her scientists outfit and her glasses working by this big
[SPEAKER_02]: Austin Powers map kind of vibe.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a bravo, the second instruction.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was so good.
[SPEAKER_06]: I applaud it when it happened.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was so exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: We learned that he's shooting lasers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco is going to shoot lasers into the earth's crust.
[SPEAKER_02]: His plan is to basically collapse the earth's crust.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let the oceans just wipe out humanity and his island.
[SPEAKER_02]: or his base on top of Everest will be an island at that point so repopulate the planet rebuild
[SPEAKER_02]: And he mentions he's got this great plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also has the best security in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's invited all these amazing into all the greatest minds around the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, including decks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Honey bear, honey bear.
[SPEAKER_06]: Honey bear, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So at the end of this scene, we also meet Falcon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Noah says he has the best security in the world introduces his security.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is Falcon who is now
[SPEAKER_02]: O'Brien.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's O'Foulken.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's O'Foulken.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's O'Foulken.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's O'Foulken.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's O'Foulken.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's O'Foulken.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's O'Foulken.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's O'Foulken.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's O'Foulken.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's O'F
[SPEAKER_04]: What every name is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the lady who comes again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I forgot to see him once.
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now we know he's going to be on this island with with Cisco too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like now it's all everybody's coming together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're back in the defiant transport room and we see cables running all over the place.
[SPEAKER_03]: Comical.
[SPEAKER_02]: Comically.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rome has run cables from everywhere and he says he needs one more hour and adding his responses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, Brian's going to kill me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which made me laugh.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Rome's getting smarter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Smart and smarter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back in the hollow suite, we're in a cave now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garrick and Bashir are tied up to the support beams of this laser machine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira is not there, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's been spared.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco says that she's young and healthy and will need women like her to help propagate the second human race.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why she's not there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's a spirited individual.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's very spirited.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he says once I turn this on, I can't turn it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody can turn it off and he can't stop it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, he flips the sweltering thing that human race, that, that, that pace is kind of glacial, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got Nana and maybe, I mean, we've got come on and off and maybe honey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how do you let now?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're all kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and maybe three go-go dancers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Three go-go dancers, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Really awesome bad guy bond line when Cisco says sorry to stay cool Mr. Peshire when he leaves after the molten lava is about to appear, but this scene is important because it duplicates every single bond film every single bond film the bad guy always leaves bond in a situation where no one can see him die.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so it's sort of like well, and then you escape.
[SPEAKER_06]: So this is very similar to there's a bond film where
[SPEAKER_06]: where Bond is he's basically tied up in the bottom of where the miss was going to launch.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the missile is going to basically fry him when it takes off.
[SPEAKER_06]: And here is going to molten lava, molten lava is going to be the deadly agent here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Again, very similar parallels to Bond movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a countdown clock in here in the scene, which we at the end of the previous scene, it's at about five minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: four minutes, fifty-nine seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: We come back after the commercial break and it's now three minutes, forty-four seconds through.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love a countdown clock.
[SPEAKER_02]: It always adds to high stakes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, they're going to die and they can't end the program or open the doors.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can't end the holiday because it could kill the team.
[SPEAKER_02]: All these pattern buffers that are stuck in the holiday.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're stuck, and that's when DAX enters.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she starts to flatter her, um, ask her to take her glasses off, let her bun down, um, Terry, you did a very good job of being shy, the shy, smart girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never went full bond girl.
[SPEAKER_03]: Never went.
[SPEAKER_06]: I did the kind of nerdy introverted kind of a bond girl, which is not.
[SPEAKER_03]: The other kid did it so well.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you had to do something different.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Really good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's a little tough until this scene.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is this the first scene we see Honey Bear Speak?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is that right?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I speak in, I'm speaking when I say, when we're back with Cisco in the very beginning when it's revealed the wall.
[SPEAKER_03]: I talk about our background.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, a little bit there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like technical stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say this was.
[SPEAKER_03]: I probably had this memorized the first day I read it because I hardly have anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't have a lot of lines.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am not complaining.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not by season four episode ten would I have a break.
[SPEAKER_03]: So happy to have a break.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, when you took, when you took off your glasses, and you said like this, that line delivery was absolutely delicious.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what you had used into that, but it was definitely the nerdy one.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like, like, yes, I don't know how it even looks like.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was so good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she ends up starting to leave and then deciding she's going to go give him a kiss for
[SPEAKER_02]: for, you know, he's about to die and he's been nice to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she runs back, gives him a kiss.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then leaves, we realize that Bashir or our James Bond character is very cleverly pickpocketed the key from her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, don't you think she did it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, of course she did.
[SPEAKER_05]: She gave it to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: You see my hand go in if you want this again, and then my hand comes out of my pocket.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I get this to miss a cover to give him the key.
[SPEAKER_03]: Although I'm sure she might get some anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it wasn't clear, but it's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what happened, but it's true.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, we did not exactly wrong, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_06]: She did pick Pocket herself and give the key to him.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there was a pick Pocketing involved, but it wasn't him.
[SPEAKER_03]: His wins were tied.
[SPEAKER_03]: He could not have done this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they did film that giving the key to me, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think when they looked, I mean, in the wide like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when they looked at it, it didn't look like she was giving a key to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looked a lot more suggestive and problematic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: They cut out that bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's now kind of confusing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be problematic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kissing me her hand went down to my area and yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you didn't know as in front of him or behind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love when Gary says, kiss the girl, get the key.
[SPEAKER_02]: They never taught me that in the Obsidian Order.
[SPEAKER_02]: They run out and then the laser goes off.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been talking about these lasers, but to me it looked like jet propulsion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, that's not going to really go to the cloud laser.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's talking about lasers and it's in a vacuum.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you will, it though, to get it shooting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish it looked like laser life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, then we need to have more arguments about fire and space.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's already the most.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they just went, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The budget's done.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not really the most production-related.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna use smoke cookies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Robbie, to you, the laser's look like a jet fighter engine shooting out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it looked like a rocket about stick off.
[SPEAKER_02]: We would not, would not call it a laser.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a laser.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rust of the planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Need to be a little more dramatic for me, but anyway, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go back to the tunnels.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's rocks falling.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love these moments and start trekking the caves when the rocks are falling and the camera's shaking and you guys did a great job.
[SPEAKER_02]: trying to escape.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I love you making a spy gun from all these hidden parts in your shoes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, very James Bond.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my favorite part of James Bond, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the gadgets and Batman.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those two were they like, oh, yes, because it's explain them all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a funny thing that happened to me just now, which is not really relates to the show, but even in kind of that if you want to, that it's, I used to know, I had it before I,
[SPEAKER_00]: I got married.
[SPEAKER_00]: I dated this lovely woman in England called Serena, a documentary producer.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was very brave and when all over the world and film stuff, even those war zone and blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, her best friend was called Blaze.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that's such a cool name.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we hung out with her quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we even went to a wedding.
[SPEAKER_00]: She married this SAS man.
[SPEAKER_00]: We weren't allowed to film the wedding.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all very, you know, see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew Blaze worked for MI six.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just didn't know how.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just knew she was stationed in Bayverud.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't know anything about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And blow me down just three days ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: I read in the newspaper.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's just been made head of MI six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the only person
[SPEAKER_00]: in my six, whose name you're allowed to the public are allowed to know is the head.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's called M. I was called C. I think he's called C. Well, it's got James Bond does it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They always give us the ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: A letter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: A letter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It came head of the whole Chibang.
[SPEAKER_00]: And last time I saw her, she was just getting married.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: This scene in the tunnels, though, the sequence in the tunnels is critical for this episode in my mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is the climactic moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And kind of pulls all the character relationships together, because Gary's making fun of the gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gary wants to cut the losses and the program and save themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Bashir will not risk
[SPEAKER_02]: killing his friends and the other members of the team.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Garrick even says, you know, if you're a real spy, you're a real secret agent, you'd know when to quit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'd know when to cut your losses and give up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Bashir accuses him of being jealous or insulted because he's play acting at Garrick's by life.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a lot of stuff coming out in this scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the middle of this action and the tunnels and everything,
[SPEAKER_02]: And Gary says, you know what, you're not a hero.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're you're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he starts in the program.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when Bishir shoots the weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does take a shot at Gary and grazes his neck.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he takes charge.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a turning point for me with this character.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you did it beautifully.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Gary given says, were you trying to kill me or just graze me?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll have to figure that out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, even better though, it's like, when he says that, because you say, how do you know I wasn't trying to kill you?
[SPEAKER_03]: And the way you deliver that line, it was clear.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, more than Garrett's giving you credit for, but I love also that, you know, Garrett has limits on what your character can do in this hollow suite.
[SPEAKER_03]: Any, and you're like, oh, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got a lot more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the writers may have seen something in this because they went on to create the whole spy element with Sloan and everything like that, which now became a spin-off of its own.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how good it is, but that first bit was kind of very formative for a big plotline later.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we did become a spy.
[SPEAKER_00]: How did I spell?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: How was it watching this scene though?
[SPEAKER_02]: This scene to me, you know, kind of is the most important scene in the whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the character.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the relationship of it is the most important part of it is the is the thing that the do or die conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I want to be more like you or more like me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And character gives his name.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, character is the game away.
[SPEAKER_00]: because he's just ruthless.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if I, and would you sacrifice your humanity?
[SPEAKER_00]: But to get ahead professionally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a beautiful, beautiful scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember at the time, kind of preoccupied with it's very hard to do the thing that we all do in Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_00]: And no one really, it's famous.
[SPEAKER_00]: We call it the ship shake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We all have to do the work.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're running through the tunnels and the trucks are falling and we just throw ourselves against the wall.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it looks like we lost our balance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Only mad people do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the pilot of Voyager, they felt like we didn't do shakes very well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they sent us a whole collection of DS nine yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that hilarious?
[SPEAKER_00]: The trick is to go the same direction.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait, I mean, the wrong direction from way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that was a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of bits, a lot to unravel in that scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it was quite important.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was actually relatively easy, because working with Gary is really working with Andy is really straightforward.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just camping off to people who believe a baller as this Taylor Kardashian.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes the alien in him comes to life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, it was just really good fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it really belied our actual real life relationship, which was very, very close.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's such a warm human, you know, it's very not by garring.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also love that, you know, because you have a history, your characters have a history that he thinks he knows you so well and thinks he can
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of call you on things that it surprised him and us as an audience, you know, the heroism of Bashir in this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think also that, you know, there's a big fan splinter group.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say big.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a fan splinter group who do a lot of fan fiction and there's a lot of stories based on the love affair between Garak and Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are in our stride now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are husband and husband.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we are absolutely talking like we're familiar like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was a really, that was a really interesting corner that we turned, which the writers picked up on about some very early, very first scene of the very first show that we were together.
[SPEAKER_00]: It replamant where he hovered around me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he flustered me like I was a young engineer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't handle myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just started a little flame, which ended up being a homerotic, very important homerotic element to their relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we had Andy on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: He talked about the very first episode and how little they told him about the character.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, as I read these scenes, I realized Gary's in love with this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I played it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, that was my choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one told me that, but that's how I read it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I got from it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I leaned into that and that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's when he saw you for the first time, he's what a beautiful man.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that also is like kind of on seeing you struck by your beautiful face.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're in your and your dough eyes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm adding that from this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I empathize with a lot of women who have that kind of attention, that almost predatory kind of attention in a, not in a malicious way because about three years before that, one and only time I've ever been frankly
[SPEAKER_00]: Proposition by another guy on a dance floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually flustered me completely I was oh surprise and like and I was like I So yeah that moment and bring it into the show and that was oh, that's great
[SPEAKER_06]: So as much as of a couple that you two have become, the writer's also gave you another relationship.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like you're married to two different people, a Brian being the other person.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other guy and I was like, yeah, very different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was very lucky because I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were my first was obviously jazzier.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we did a big dance around that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just went where it went organically.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, because I obviously, what couldn't really seduce the girl until accepting my own fantasy, which is what this shows about where I seduce everybody, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not what happened in my actual life as a bajooning busier, I couldn't get anybody interested in me at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was one character who I did we did get together called Melora, but that's I think a show coming maybe it's a show before.
[SPEAKER_00]: We saw it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they sort of paint you as a skirt chaser.
[SPEAKER_03]: A successful skirt chaser.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: A very unsuccessful skirt chaser.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, just with DAX, it didn't work.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see that really, Melora.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take me for a regular guy who could seduce women at a hundred paces.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my good.
[SPEAKER_00]: They realized that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was sort of written like there were, um, yeah, but they weren't, they were like dabble girls and it wasn't like they were up to your seed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was young silly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was silly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, there was no real.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't, he was very immature as sexually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really could handle the heat of anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you made it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it really worked.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it really worked.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked that all of us had different energy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's what made it more interesting to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know many eighteen-year-old boys who are very confident in that department.
[SPEAKER_03]: And a lot of late twenties, either because it's, yeah, twenties are far.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's out of college.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're at you, twenty seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you were twenty seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was twenty eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: And everybody else was married with kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Except for Armin and Kitty didn't have kids, but everybody else was married except for you and me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So did you guys hang out a lot then off camera?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the first season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were close.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terry and I. Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone I was the beard for that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a gal that wouldn't leave me alone.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, I'll be my beard.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yeah, I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're moving along.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in a sitting room next.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Brian's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira's handcuffs.
[SPEAKER_02]: This goes, uh, admiring Dax's new look.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the door's fly open and Garrick disarms Falcon immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, Bashir's got his, uh, his gun made of parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, it looks like they've captured them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got the upper hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bashir goes to free Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she wants to kill them, but she again says, no, we can't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to protect their pattern buffers and things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And suddenly, Warf appears in the doorway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Warf's got a gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's got it pointed at Gary's head.
[SPEAKER_06]: Who does the prop master?
[SPEAKER_06]: Almost every single gun was from the sixties, except for the one that was used by Cisco.
[SPEAKER_06]: Cisco's was a later era.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you know, when they get to that type of attention to detail, it's impressive.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, oh, good job.
[SPEAKER_06]: You found a sixties era gun to match the sixties.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had several prop masters.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Joe Longo was the main prop master.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had bud and pat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's butt up head around.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's butt up head around.
[SPEAKER_03]: They work everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything that you and them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Cisco's about to shoot Beshear.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love Avery's laugh because Beshear, Beshear says, I'm no hero.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you don't have to shoot me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know when to quit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the moment where Avery goes, Hey, you're something.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was, uh, give me when he says the more I think about it, the more I realize that your way may be the only way when Bashir agrees.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but Bashir basically has the whole speech that, um, Andy's character said to Bashir.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says it to Cisco and that was so freaking eye goose bumps.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Garrett's feeling proud.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was flawless.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, got excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a very modern environmental argument, even though it came out of the lips of the bad guy in the piece that making such a bad job of looking after the planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting rid of everybody starting again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And why would you fight for it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Wave, it's going to be gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why would you fight for it?
[SPEAKER_03]: That was just so.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when he said, no, everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he went across with the heat, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Bashir's got a vamp here a little bit because he does hear he hears from from ops that they just need another four minutes or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think two minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's going to say anything so he has to get shot.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's just going to get shot.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's just vamping there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's quoting Garak.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just trying to buy some time.
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes over.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he he's about to push the button and Cisco says or Dr. Noah says he doesn't believe him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And but sure has this argument, you know, I'm telling you the truth.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a reason I'm alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know when to quit.
[SPEAKER_02]: All my spy friends are dead because they didn't know when to quit, but I know when I know when I'm
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm done and he buys just enough time.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut to the transport room, ROMs ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: They begin the data transfer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back in the sitting room, Cisco says he's been wanting to kill Bashir for a long time and says Bashir says, you may need me in your new world.
[SPEAKER_02]: People like me that know all the rocks.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, all the geology.
[SPEAKER_02]: He walks over by this console, Cisco thinks it's a trick, but sheer hits the button.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Dax says, you've destroyed the entire world.
[SPEAKER_03]: I say, you've just activated the final laser sequence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bullsey move.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very bullsey move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, imagine doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then getting in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we need another thirty seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Woo!
[SPEAKER_03]: That would have been a funny pause.
[SPEAKER_02]: So back in Ops, the power returns, the data transfers complete, the lights come up, we go to the sitting room, we see the giant map and the land masses are shrinking so the oceans covering up all the land.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco says he didn't expect to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very shocked by this bold mirror of this unexpected move from Bashir.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he goes to raise the gun to shoot Bashir finally, and that's when the transporter beam happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: They disappear from the rooms, Cisco, Orion, Worfdax, they're all beamed out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we cut to the defiant transport of room, and they're beaming in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that miles looks around because what did you do to my ship?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's wires everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eddington's very nervous.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, it's going to take a little explaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Eddington lets Bashir know that he can leave that they've got them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And back in the Hall of Sweet, Bashir tells Carrack that they didn't teach him that technique in the Obsidian Order.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as they walk out, Bashir says, it's not the last of Julian Bashir's secret agent, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: thought it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: What was shame?
[SPEAKER_03]: I really liked it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wanted to see more, more, more, more.
[SPEAKER_06]: So this was their Captain Proton in a way, the same thing that you had right for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we had a holiday convoyager called Captain Proton that was very flash Gordon.
[SPEAKER_02]: So instead of James Bond, we had a whole black and it was all shot in black and white.
[SPEAKER_06]: Black and white sci-fi movies.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that was a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the fans loved it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm sure the fans absolutely adored this episode too because it is so wonderfully entertaining.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I've heard that people like this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Star Trek through and through, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can just change it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you think you think you know what's going to happen in loop.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do some analysis like Q on the next generation who just came in just.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're right, Tonly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to feel like a Q episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels, it's got the fun that the Q episodes have with all the Mr. The Mr. Fiesta.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it looked beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: You did a great, great job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially this game with everybody did.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're seen with Garrick in the tunnel to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was great that they had the depth of that scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: That sequence of him feeling challenged, Garrett, and trying to take control.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you were really in control.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was great that there was that
[SPEAKER_03]: That is ego was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been feeling for the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: We really swapped roles because Garrett was the strong man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was the, the, the recessive, you know, the teacher student roles got switched.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the turning point for Bashir because then he just started to get stronger and stronger and they gave him much more meaty
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you will all find out, as you watch the next episodes, again, when you do get to a woman, is British eccentric.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's much, much heavy weight, much more weight, not as light, because you're, you refer to status as light and dark in many ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most, a lot of people can play very dark and very light, but you very, really get to see them change their status in front of you, which is kind of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, Sid, you know, Jean Roddenberry always, for the original series, always had some sort of allegories, some type of lesson to learn from each Star Trek episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, we also talk about our lesson at the end of our recap.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, Robbie, what is your theme or lesson moral for this episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: I wrote down, if you truly believe in yourself, you can be anything you want to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's, but sheer was able to kind of feel most himself, the part of himself that he didn't feel comfortable being in real life, but in this holiday program, he was able to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he showed garrick who he truly was.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, even yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I had trust your true self.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Same lines.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely though.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, my lesson is you're less and more about for sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: My lesson is a little bit off the a story line.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's when life gives you lemons make lemonade and that's in reference to ROM not getting the parts that he needs always have to scramble and we don't know that until this episode that he's he's pretty much a mechanical
[SPEAKER_06]: genius is what he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great lesson from Beshear story as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have the game that he expected to love.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't think he would have a real life and death.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's what that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're true.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not what everybody else thinks about you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you think those limitations, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's important to have because it's changes with your life, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: The more you trust yourself, the more capable you are of becoming who you really want to be in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you want to add anything to that sentence?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think, I mean, if I was going to be really philosophical, I would say, you know, don't eat your friends.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm so glad you took it to deeper level.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, thank God.
[SPEAKER_03]: We love that light.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: My lesson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my Mona loves it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can do anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I tell you what our Peter and Paul winner for the theme moral of this episode is?
[SPEAKER_07]: Please do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's submitted by Alex Ray and they say real spies have to make hard choices.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a quote by Garrett.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a carrot quote.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a carrot quote.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is true.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we have reached that time, everybody.
[SPEAKER_06]: We have come to the end of our recap and discussion of this absolutely very entertaining and wonderful episode our man, Bashir.
[SPEAKER_06]: We want to thank Terry for being here.
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, our wonderful guests.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, said, thank you so much for joining us.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a blast.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a pleasure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was really really good fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was fun for us to, and I love that you shared how meaningful it was to rewatch this after so many years.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty cool as I hadn't seen one of these shows for thirty five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Haven't laid eyes on those characters for a long time and old friends now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm never surprised by the quality of acting by everybody, but it's just watching it and being relaxed and not having to learn the next show or be late for the next day or whatever you're watching in a completely different head space than when we were doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because we were so sleep deprived all of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also feel like all of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: The distance from these and said you kind of talked about this a little when we first started talking.
[SPEAKER_02]: having some distance of time and space in the years.
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, it allows me to see the truth of it better, the truth of our performances, the truth of what Star Trek was, because at the time, I was so clouded with my ambition, my personal life, what I thought of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had three little kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had three little kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't, you know, the distance has given me clarity to look at myself and the stories and the show and the value of it in a way that I maybe didn't appreciate back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't agree more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how astonishingly lucky we were.
[SPEAKER_00]: We won the lottery, you know, that I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's ten thousand people going for every one of those roles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now with the plan, we got me from England.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't in America.
[SPEAKER_00]: They went over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't audition and brought me all the way over us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank goodness.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were all lucky enough to land these plum rolls.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the opportunity to fail.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we highly encourage you to watch more episodes of your show that you have not seen.
[SPEAKER_06]: And said you explained to us that you don't have paramount plus you had to pay fifty cents for this episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: So in total if you buy all of it it'll be about sixty five dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: for you for the all hundred seventy-something odd episodes yes we will invite you back when yes we will because you're lovely thank you Terry I'm shocked how lovely he's neat I had no idea how lovely we're so you know that
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you say?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was too busy being silly.
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you say?
[SPEAKER_00]: I can easily sit in front of you, look in your eyes and talk to you for ages.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something we've got many times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I miss you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I miss you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_06]: The hundred episode timeless is what I would say, but the hundred episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm writing it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to blow fifty cents on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's so he's going to do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Robby, what episode will you recommend?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would recommend and then drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would recommend someone to watch over me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of which is a doctor seven episode, mostly.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was directed by Ross.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone who knows nothing and who just wants to get to know you guys and meet and get up to speak.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What was it called Robbie?
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone to watch over me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a doctor seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: I directed that episode, but I think it is one of my favorite episodes of our show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will watch both of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll spend a buck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can spend a buck.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what was the one you buy from me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just get the pile of the lizard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they had me watch one called threshold.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they said it was the worst episode ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I sometimes talk about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was crazy.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we've come to the end of the episode that we want to say thank you to Terry and of course to our very very special guest, Sid.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you so much for being here.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_06]: Bye everybody.