[SPEAKER_01]: I am Legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, everybody, welcome to the podcast, I'm Jason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Rima.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Iran.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the Legion podcast episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Twenty four coming down the home stretch here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This week gets our top three highlights for season three episode five chapter twenty four.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you guys think, Karima?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a great episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of bad things happen, but I still loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just can't not love this episode, even the worst episodes, which I don't really, I'll talk to my I can't think of any, but even the ones that aren't the best are still really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like on first watch, like halfway through, I was like, where is the really mind-bending concept here that's just going to blow me away?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, well, not every episode's going to have that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little more straightforward maybe, but well, then what about you, Aaron?
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was great too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a nice escalation of the season.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to say the piece of an understanding was on the verge of kind of losing me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was something just like so weird and so bizarre and like I felt like
[SPEAKER_03]: it felt like they realized that this episode was a little bit too straightforward and they they wanted to kind of like still flex that muscle because like I don't understand the real I don't understand a sentiment um and it that that was that that was the one kind of like sour note for me but other than that it was uh it was real good and I was I really uh like the thrilling kind of um heist that that said pulled on David and unfortunately it didn't actually work out but um
[SPEAKER_03]: that because I, you know, I scratched my head like, man, is she just going to be oddly conceleratoria or like did that talk she had with her younger self make a big difference and then I realized, oh, no, she's just doing the rope and dope on David.
[SPEAKER_02]: Louder nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the whole piece of an understanding thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really fun and funny, but it also like when they do something like that, I always want to be able to try to understand it within the context of
[SPEAKER_02]: like mutant powers or astroplane or psychic projections or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this just seemed like the show suddenly turned into a musical like Greece or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't like if there was an emotional through line I felt like I could hang on to.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know, maybe that's the point is like, it's kind of a melancholy song, the juxtaposition of its theoretical content versus what we just saw.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I feel like I'm answering my own questions, but it's still, it's like, you know, and that's maybe that's the other thing is like, it's kind of false and fakey for David, but then like, you know, when you've got the dead people singing, and people their minds whipsing, and then maybe that is actually kind of fits.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like one of those things where it's like, man, if you have to spend fifteen twenty minutes thinking, why the hell did they do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they didn't do everything they needed to do to set it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, I don't want to harp on the one thing I didn't like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I do, I just, I do want to talk about it a little bit more because I think, you know, I had to think about it too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, whoa, what is this?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is this all about?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't copy down all the lyrics, but I feel like it's a manifestation of David's mindset.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like his whole thing is he feels like he's going to go back in time and fix the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: first starting by fixing himself and then he's going to be this like self-actualized version of himself and then he's going to spread peace love and understanding all around the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: And why is there be giving me grief about this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have, you know, really good intentions here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's kind of what it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a hundred percent sure on that, but that's what I would think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's get into our top three, Rima.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just going to start off erine you kind of mentioned it already when you talked about Sid and how she was able to kind of manipulate David, which I, you know, should have seen coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I should have just seen that as we see her, but like before David comes to her and she's sitting
[SPEAKER_00]: in her room, kind of, I guess the window, if you can call that a window, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she removes her gloves, kind of like what you would do after a long day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it totally went over my head until later.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, you know, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't believe you missed that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she totally took
[SPEAKER_00]: for her ex advice or suggestion I guess about how you know a lover would be able to get close to David and be able to manipulate him and you know she was resistant to that idea at first I think it you know she was just repulsed by that idea at all you know pretending that she still had any feelings for him when she clearly did not
[SPEAKER_02]: I think at first she thought he meant she would need to have sex with him but then he was saying it wouldn't even need to go that far but still maybe she wasn't totally on board with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd maybe she didn't feel she could either fake the feelings or fake fake doing now or maybe she felt David wouldn't fall for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but clearly that she was not on board with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But seeing as how he was able to infiltrate the airship, despite the fact that they were in space.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, of course, for Luke led him there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how he was able to find them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why they assumed he wouldn't be able to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was confused by that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, what are the limits on teleportation?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why can he not have this ascial projection?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's able to ascial project himself pretty much anywhere in teleport anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is he limited to the lower orbit?
[SPEAKER_02]: He might be able to go to Mars for all we know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said limitation been defined.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, he could probably teleport from Chicago to New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's a hell of a lot further away than lower orbit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's able to still reach them and
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when she's saying all of those words to him, I feel like she, to me, just from my perspective, and I might be totally wrong, and that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or if there are different opinions, I'm totally fine with that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, I was fooled for a minute until I saw her reach up and touch him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel a lot of what she was saying, almost she had, maybe she still believed some of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or she's being like an actor who you find those feelings, even if that's not who you normally are, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, drop all the feelings that contradict them and just feel into the ones that are real.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she probably could do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of actors do have to kind of draw from real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if they need to be really sad and cry for a scene, then they go deep and find something tragic that's happened to them that makes them cry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she was believable, but I think it's because she actually still feels a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of the feelings were real.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not all of them, but I think she was believable enough that I think it's because some of them, some of the feelings were still real.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why she was able to get through to him and manipulate him and trap him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the most successful cons usually use a big dose of the truth and reality and also the targets own prejudices and the feelings of their, you know, and the positive feelings for themselves like, oh, I can't possibly be tricked or taking advantage of because I'm too smart for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, David wants to believe this is true of said, you know, he and his like his heart that like, you know, that she would accept them after all this and that, you know, she's actually the one, she's just as wrong as he is and, you know, she did, and,
[SPEAKER_03]: The way that the kind of plot was convoluted there is a little room to kind of see a little both sides there, but Yeah, I thought that was really and I also I kind of with you, Rima as I was watching that scene I'm like, where is this false because I almost wonder
[SPEAKER_03]: If David had answered some of those questions a little bit better and not been so oblivious about, like, or just have a lear about changing the past and, you know, the fact that, like, well, if you change, if you go back that far, then, you know, we'll never have met.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll never even notice.
[SPEAKER_03]: And two knows what all ripple effects.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that he so's cavalier and blasay about that, I think that maybe he was a point of no return.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she's probably going to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole time, but maybe there's some things David could have said that would talk her out of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now I think you're right on that a lot of those feelings are really genuine and she just had to change like the slight motivation and instead of regret, you know, said the regret she feels like more of a like a distant hope and then that's all she needed to set the hook on David.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and if there was something that he could have said that would have maybe surprised her and actually made her go, oh wait, maybe I could actually go this way while he didn't say anything close to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he just has this kind of a...
[SPEAKER_02]: do she vibe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean you said I love you and that was tender and we even saw you know future sit from season two when she sees David and she you can tell she's like wistful about oh you you are the way you used to be and there's feelings there so even then yeah she still has some but yeah as I was watching this
[SPEAKER_02]: I started to believe her when David said, I trusted you.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're arguing about whether he left or whether she's like, no, you're the one who left after he says she abandoned him.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're the one who left.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, I trusted you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she kind of goes, I know I was jealous of myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where I'm like, huh, maybe she's good man.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's real in me and just like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she's like, for it put ideas in my head that you betrayed me that you're evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like Aaron, you're saying there is room for some debate there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's believable that she may have doubts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's perfect because you have to believe that David would fall for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what made this scene great.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the whole time I was like, even though I was like thinking maybe when it did turn out to be a trick, I wasn't all that surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when she was moving in closer to him, I was like, what are she gonna do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, does she have a weapon or something?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I totally forgot that all she needed to do was touch him, which I love that I forgot that too, because then when she does, it's like, oh, it just goes back to the very beginning of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a full circle where they switch bodies, but now she's using it purposefully as a weapon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally got just swept up in the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I totally blame because I love Sid and David.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really hate how they just came together and I hate how it all went wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know that's what the story is and and how it's going to be and they're never going to be together again, but I was just so caught up in the moment and I'm like, oh, Sid and David and it just totally threw me and she put her hand up and I'm like, oh, no, I'm so touched.
[SPEAKER_03]: is genius like because you're like how do you stop David and it's right there in front of our under our nose is like oh yeah she totally has a capability to I know about this and the the fallout of that is so frustrating too because like you know that there's a clock on this and you know like as soon as you become aware that David's the or the legionist inside him is starting to resist her it's like the clock becomes really urgent
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, Carrie's understandable confusion about what's going on and her delay at, you know, even Sid's delay about like, well, aren't you in there?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, ah, swap out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, at all those like, man, if just a second here, second there, they could have ended this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the one time Carrie decides to be a little bit compassionate.
[SPEAKER_03]: It did her in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought I really liked David's reading or the performance there that he put when she's like, did you kill everywhere and he's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It just goes to show you how crazy he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've been talking about this in the context of Walter White and Breaking Bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is like one of those episodes where like, you know, you had a pretty low opinion of what Walt could do and then he goes and abducts his daughter or he pulls a knife on his wife and it's like, or flips down or doesn't flip Jane over in the back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's this, there's this, this idea that like the ends justify the means and if the end is, you can go back in time and fix life to be your perfect image.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just a close circle of madness.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing that you can't excuse.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing that you can't dismiss as just, oh, it's just temporary pain.
[SPEAKER_03]: And is it even real pain?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because the people that are hurting me and are against me aren't even real anyway because this is all, you know, it probably back to that thing that he said, the fact that like everyone that hurts me and everyone that hates me is not real because in his mind, that's true because
[SPEAKER_03]: the real David that didn't get mind-repept by the shadow king wouldn't do any of these things so they're hating some kind of weird perverted distorted future image of him and it's just it's just crazy like it's it's like this is such a this is such a great this is an episode that really just shows that like as much as you like David as charismatic as he is as much good as he wanted to do and as bad as the situation is he is a a moral nuclear bomb at this point
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true and yet I have fantasized about having the power where I can go back say fifteen minutes in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anytime that way I can just go try something totally nuts and then erase it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I reloading your save game and grand that photo.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've all done it sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go back to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you done with your point?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: A run.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go something a little bit lighter.
[SPEAKER_03]: That spicy French bop that began the episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: That song was amazing and it was one of the more memorable fight scenes and you know we've talked about how powerful David is but the way that he you know we've also got an idea that these vermilions are fairly powerful too and the fact that he just effortlessly dismisses him he
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, disintegrates them on contact.
[SPEAKER_03]: He forces a guy through the material plane of the bus and splatters him on the ground.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just mind wipes a Daniel I think as Clark's husband's name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: That entire sequence just really shows, you know, soul due on David's power and also his capacity for just really not just violence but exceptionally cruel brutal violence.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is, there is okay, so like I talked up front about some of the quibbles I had with like, I'm not sure exactly the show needed or had earned the piece of an understanding moment in this particular episode, but there's also, I had a slight question about, Daniel Clark's husband that says, you can't, I can't be probed or broken because my mind's been trained.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then David says, oh, that's in long term memory, let's erase it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that track for everybody else?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because like if he's trained to resist probing and all that kind of stuff, then how is David able to?
[SPEAKER_03]: How is it easier for him to delete that training, which involves probing and manipulating someone's mind?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if they just wanted to like, oh, David is just too powerful for your feeble training, then that's the story you could tell, but it's like that confused me.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's one other thing I found confusing about Ferruc in a time-traveling wristwatch that we can talk about later or whatever comes up or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was like, hmm, but otherwise loved everything about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still hate the vermillion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Still hate the vermillion, the vermillion redesigns.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate that they all look like Larry's on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think about you every time I see them now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I like that when they had a little bit more uniqueness to them, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a pretty good point about if his whole thing is that he can't be manipulated and then David's pretty much just saying, well, I'm gonna manipulate that away then.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, but I guess you just kind of have to go with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: it reminds me of like you know kids when you play like freestag and like you can't tag me I got shields well I've got shield proof tag supervisors yeah well yeah that's not how this works and how any of this works I guess it's more of a brute force thing rather than him trying to go in and like you know change the person's mind it's just maybe erasing it as a whole different thing you know yeah I guess
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of where I had to go with it because I thought the same thing, I'm like, well, how are you able to do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess it's just instead of looking for something specific, like instead of being able to go into his mind to look for something specific or being able to draw out of him, manipulate him in some way he's able to just go in and just erase his mind because he's that powerful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I guess the thought is like if I can just go in and bulk erase the long-term memory, then presumably leaves the short-term memory intact, which is where he needed to get the
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, where is the time traveler?
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just felt like what the reason the real reason they did it that way is because they needed a sixteen of Clark morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that his husband's mind's white lights later on and they kind of work backwards to get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they had them flirting around and calling each other snuggle bugle.
[SPEAKER_03]: just so you just mind you that they're human beings so just a twist and I and then when he was going through the home videos of his I guess Daniel's mind or whatever he was doing at the end and they had the there's my there's my handsome man
[SPEAKER_03]: like as I remember that when I happened and was that late season one or early season two and how much I like that that sequence because it kind of really humanized one a guy who was just like you know kind of a a shitty villain stock character yeah yeah yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, that goes into my number three.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I actually really love that moment, even though logistically it might be a little iffy with David and what's his name?
[SPEAKER_02]: Carto has been Daniel.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just was so cruel and fucked up and he just like in an instant there, just kind of ruined this whole guy's life, this guy's whole life, and Clarks too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Clarks did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's on, they have a son.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and just like it was nothing and that's so my number three is about David's villainy and his narcissism and you know last season at the end there I it really put me off that they went the whole sexual assault route with David because I'm like wow, this is just really depressing and sad and gross and you know up until then it had been a romance and
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought man this is really I hope they handle this well because it's it's a sketchy subject and important that you handle it correctly and everything but now halfway through season three I think it was I get it now it totally did send the show
[SPEAKER_02]: on another route this that was the thing that it took to make you see David as okay he's he's a bad guy now and he's still human but he's super flawed and and it's the thing that it took to make you realize that they can't ever be a couple again and they have not swept it under the rug they can't they really made sure that we know that they know what what he did you know they're not minimizing it or anything like that so
[SPEAKER_02]: so now I get it and I think it was good given that this is a breaking bad type story type tragedy story watching the main character become the bad guy in this episode though at first I thought they'd taken kind of an unrealistic Anakin Skywalker like jump with it where he's like you mentioned Aaron just kind of smearing this guy under the under the vehicle and shattering everybody and making people appear in space and
[SPEAKER_02]: All this stuff, but then when he talks about, you know what, none of this matters, because I'm gonna go back and change everything, we're all gonna get doovers, then that made me realize, okay, that fits with what we know about his character.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just doesn't see any of this as mattering, and he's god-like, and he thinks he's gonna fix the entire world, and so you just have to get past this one little kind of formality,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know these annoying obstacles and then I'm gonna fix everything so I think it all fits together really well once once once I got that perspective then I realized
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean by the Anakin Skywalker when he's killing all these kids like yeah I do and like it like it's I was actually thinking about how that's one of the reasons that revenge of the Sith isn't as good as it could have been right that's the best of the best because they do this hairpin turn on his character but it's the same kind of delusion of like
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I can do this in no matter what, you know, Padme will still, you know, she knows the real me and she does this and that and, you know, that he didn't, he's so deluded that he loses sight of the fact that, like, you know, morality isn't relative at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I also, it's funny because the other thing I thought about because like this, I've been rewatching a lot of Star Trek next generation for my like, you know, just me time when I watch on the rare occasions I watch television for myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there was an episode where, uh, you know, the enterprise, the enterprise, the, the version before the enterprise got pulled through a time warp right as they were saving a cling on outpost and it changed to Federation's timeline to where they're at war at the clingons and
[SPEAKER_03]: there's this whole thing about like should we send the enterprise see back to this do missions so they'll definitely die but they will save countless billions of lives and i'm like it's interesting how much more sophisticated the audiences since like the early nineties because no one even talked about the idea of
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, if you change the timeline, I guess, like, according to Guine and it's better, but like, we'll all cease to exist.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a little bit of that with the character of Yark, as she's dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, everyone is like very placidly just, you know, assuming that, oh, yeah, we'll put this back together and I think we find I liked Sid saying, do you think it hurts to be erased?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's exact.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're talking about shifting the timeline, that's especially in the kind of the way it works in the Marvel Cinematic Universe it seems.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, whatever version of you is there is going to, is going to cease to exist.
[SPEAKER_03]: It might never exist.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's certainly going to exist in the form that it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, it's like plenty.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's worried about her child.
[SPEAKER_02]: But most likely, if David never becomes this washed-up druggy who becomes a cult leader, then Lenny's never going to meet Saman.
[SPEAKER_02]: right and and she saw she saw that he saw that that was a hollow thought yeah and you know he tried to pass it off as a gentleman that he was bullshitting yeah but um... an alternate possibility there is if it's like i mean i don't think we're totally clear yet on what the marvel universe
[SPEAKER_02]: a cinematic universe time me why me stuff how that goes, but I think they're trying to say in Avengers and game that it's like the comics and even in Legion we saw that episode where they were talking about the branches and then it branches off here and it branches off here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So another possibility actually is if he goes back in time and changes something that it actually just creates another fork in the timeline at a new alternate reality, but this same reality where he's been causing all this suffering will still continue to exist.
[SPEAKER_03]: which is worse because then it's like you're you're just hopping your consciousness from like a dimension that sucks to a dimension that's where you've been.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like you're Rick and Morty.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, we ruined the planet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, let's just go to a different dimension where it's kind of the same and like, yeah, but it's not the same for everybody left behind.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got Croninburg.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more thing about this, you know, like I started off by saying it seemed like they did this Anakin Skywalker like jump with him, but on the other hand, we have seen him go into D-III in season one when his sister was held there and just start disintegrating people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Foom, foom, foom.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he was already pretty brutal even back then when it suited his needs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's had it in him.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that was, that was definitely the shadow king doing that though, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's it?
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought that that was the whole idea is that the, but I, I thought it was under the control.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you're probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scratch that reverse.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it does show how to circle.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the student is now to master the circle is completed, et cetera, et cetera, because, you know, this season by like, you know, we've seen David do some fucked up shit on his own.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And very shadowking like stuff sometimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is just, yeah, this is just cold-blooded and cruel to things he's doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: My number two, we touched on it already a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to kind of talk about the short scene that we had with Lenny, RIP Lenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: She can tell she's still really broken about what is occurred, and she's clearly not dealing with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was interesting that David just disperses, not only is he killing so many a division three, and his enemies, he's at war with, but he, like, just poofed in his own people were gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: because he was just annoyed at them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, yeah, he's like, oh, I'm just out of my way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just, you're noise and I can't take it right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got business to attend to here and he just poof in their gone and, you know, just in a flash, they cease to exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, again, to him, it means nothing because he can just fix it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And just wave his hand and make it different.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they won't be dead anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's not real but you know when he gets Lenny's attention and she is still really torn up and I was concerned I saw this knife and I thought surely she's not gonna try to go after David right I mean that would be kind of dumb because no way is she gonna get anywhere near enough for him with this knife I thought it was interesting that she called him a blockhead so we had another Charlie Brown reference Charlie Brown reference during this season so far so
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, oh, that's, that's a nice comic of huge Charlie Brown Snoopy fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that stuff just, like, screams at me and just, I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought it was really interesting that, you know, Lenny isn't drinking the cool aid anymore, and, and she's had it with, with David, and just has zero interest in turning things around and not feeling what she's feeling, and, you know, Jason, you made a good point about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: even if he is able to somehow go back and fix things or make things different that
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Lenny might not be the same person.
[SPEAKER_00]: She may never meet Sam and they may never have their daughter again.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you never know, you don't know what you're going to change when that happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she isn't having it anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she ends up stabbing herself, which was a complete shock to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was not expecting that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was really sad because I love Lenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's a great character.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was always one of my favorites in the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was really surprised because I thought, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I can see why David really hangs onto her and why she's precious to him, above all of his other followers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have quite a lot of history and she has always been behind him and has been his sidekick and done anything for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was Amy's body.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was his sister's body.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if that had something to do with it that, you know, it's kind of his way of having Amy alive, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought we were going to see maybe a little bit more of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we got that episode last season where Amy kind of comes out or like projects herself for consciousness.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's something that Amy moved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, she had a lot of same movements.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like her even her physical appearance.
[SPEAKER_00]: The season, Lenny's appearance is kind of changed a little bit like they've done something with makeup and something to her appearance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like Amy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because in between the last two seasons, apparently, Lenny decided she wants to be a little more straight narrow because she has a wife and a child on the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so she's cleaned herself up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe being in Amy's body might have some influence on that too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well that's the change her eye color to the match Amy that's the big physical change like when she's wide either her it looks a little bit on hinge because you're used to seeing our replies with brown eyes and she's got these vivid blue
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think they've also permanently shrink her pupil.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like you get a double dose of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they do look very big, big and blue and they really stand out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like her hair is even a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like her hair, her hair's always been dark and had this nice, wavy curl.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like in season two, it was just a little bit shorter.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just past her shoulders and once she inhabited Amy's body,
[SPEAKER_00]: It was longer like Amy's hair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, to me, that was a difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's just something I'm noticing or if I'm wrong, but to me, I feel like there were some changes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I saw a camera what blog it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was reading last week where the people ask that there's a person speculating on like what happened to Amy because there were a lot of hooks that it seemed like they were going to tease like, you know, a battle for Lini's body.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just that like when Holly decided, nope, three seasons is it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're stacked to the rafters that some of those plot points got dropped.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which, you know, that happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm fine with that because it did seem like they laid some track that is now
[SPEAKER_03]: going to go nowhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was also a little surprised that there wasn't more, because I was thinking the same thing when she killed her.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, gasp, oh my god, this is a double loss because it's it's lini and it's also the reverse ease of the sister and like David didn't really have that much of a reaction to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think I was wondering if this is like maybe they've really dropped a whole like Amy plot line or if it's just that's just to just show how far gone David is that he doesn't even have that much of a reaction to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well he does, he is, like, rem was saying he cares more about her and seems more connected to her and will put up with more from her, although maybe that's also because sometimes people in the leadership positions actually like it when some some people push back a little bit, they respect them a little more.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyways, that could be part of that too, that he knows that she's in a sister's body, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did seem to have acted by it.
[SPEAKER_00]: When she first did it, I didn't see much of a reaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then when she's lying on the ground and he's kneeling next to her kind of cradling her and she's looking up beyond you know, why is it blue?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just I love that little moment because that's of course a line that's, you know, carried out, yeah, and frog.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also the bliss juice and so maybe that that made me think maybe she's in death, she's in bliss or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to ask is like, uh, why?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all.
[SPEAKER_03]: So is there another meaning to that, too?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you, we, David said he's, they're going the war and certainly it looks like they went to war this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: The last time this happened, the, the happy juice did turn red.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there, are we supposed to, is there a significant set of fact that it is blue and David saying it's always blue?
[SPEAKER_02]: All I know for sure is that's a call back to the line from season one right getting high.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about the red why do think red represents anger and aggression and blue represents euphoria and bliss, but as far as it's always blue, maybe that was just like a comforting thing to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said it earlier in this season too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think around season one too, but, you know, it's just kind of been carried out and it's something that they kind of push in promos too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is, you know, like hashtag, why is it blue or hashtag?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always blue, something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you mentioned she's not drinking the cool late anymore, which I thought was a good reference because that whole saying is from the Jim Jones cult, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: With the cool late.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, yeah, they're really pulling from mostly Charles Manson.
[SPEAKER_02]: It felt like this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: with all these young women around their daddy and they called the family and there's some drugs and they're especially at the end when they're on the airship with the knives it's like they're ready to kill for them yeah well they do they do reference in the episode with the the squirrel
[SPEAKER_00]: the escaping division three and he's walking on the street and Lenny and the best role of girls find him and and take him in the van.
[SPEAKER_00]: The girls all are holding knives and they credited those girls as Manson girls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's how they they credited them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like that's your spot on pretty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Aaron number two.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... rema had my number two but i got a couple backups uh... i i want to talk about uh... speaking of david being powerful uh... david's confrontation with forrook uh... because you know he uh... it seems
[SPEAKER_03]: that when he said a spider not a rabbit that he had kind of set this and to lure David into a place where you know he was going to be vulnerable.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he seemed like he had David dead the right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like even though David might be more powerful that like if he gets to drop on him or you know is the one that's able to get the initiative in the attack that like David can't do much about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't know what he had done if switch hadn't showed up.
[SPEAKER_03]: but I thought that whole scene was like the second he sees switch and then his body goes stiff and he levitates off the ground at first I thought what the hell is he going to do but then I realized it's for Rook and the whole you know you're my son know you're my cancer and he goes that's the temperament is your problem it goes notes your problem and switch pops the I so so the switch puts the the watch that allowed David to track time travel with her
[SPEAKER_02]: I was so confused about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't understand how David got out of it and what the watches were about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's why it's like, you know, going back to my comments at the beginning, this is the episode where I think Noah Hawley really was playing fast and loose because he probably had an episode and a half worth of plot to get the exact where he needed to go and he only had forty three minutes to tell the story for whatever reason this time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, he, he, he kid that carry to solve the problem of how we can get into time travel.
[SPEAKER_03]: The next episode, he has this watch on and you're, you're assuming that that was the, the carry's technological solution.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now he gave it the fruit kicked him through the time portal and now for Rooka stuck in a time between time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so somebody strapped that on fruit like switched it or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, switched it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't knock them through to the time portal, but now David's able to use the portal without that watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a show in there, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: WT and we have an extra one.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I look because I this first time I thought it's like, oh, maybe like, you know, he did some kind of time.
[SPEAKER_03]: You why me and it's going to be, oh, well, I took the watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went back and kind of like in the Avengers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went back and time and got the stones from the previous timeline.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he wasn't wearing a watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wasn't wearing a watch, so I have no, like if they're suggesting that David just that much more powerful, but there was, that was one of the few, like, hmm, there, there, there, I don't, I can't explain what just happened from my knowledge of what just happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I know, no, Holly's listening, so if you could just write to us and tell us what that means.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Legion of Podcasts, because that kind of, we like to hear from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, where are we here?
[SPEAKER_02]: My turn, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was Lenny's death.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've really talked a lot about that, but I just also wanted to mention that she had such a rough life.
[SPEAKER_02]: She had her grand-grain drinking vodka from a Rondo citrus soda can.
[SPEAKER_02]: She grew up as an addict.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was committed to a mental institution.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was phased into a wall by Sid trapped in David's body.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was helped prisoner in the astroplane by the shadow king and forced to do his bidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was transferred into David's sister's body and what looked like a really traumatic event.
[SPEAKER_02]: She finally found peace with her girlfriend, Sam, and slash new genie in their unborn child and seemed to have gotten clean between seasons only to have it all just fast forward and basically ripped away from her.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when she did kill herself, it just felt like a fuck you to David too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there was a part of it in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aubrey Plaza again, absolutely amazing work and I
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sad.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what is our feelings that are we going to see her again?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it like are we going to see either through a restored timeline or is she going to be absorbed in the David's consciousness or is the shadow king going to do something with her?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like on the one hand, we're towards the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: So people are going to start dying for real.
[SPEAKER_03]: or otherwise be exiting the show for real, but on the other hand, there's still three more episodes left that I would love to see more Lini.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really want to see David go back and be successful in his plan so we can see how it goes probably very badly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I hope we get to see that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But either way, whatever it ends up being, I would actually be pretty shocked if we don't see Aubrey Plaza again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she died in the first season and came back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, and there was a, I don't know, it's totally loose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've just dropped it totally out of my head, but there was another character that died in season two, and they came back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like there's a little bit of a theme there that maybe we haven't, maybe seen the last of her bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Aubrey Plaza has just knocked it out of the park with this whole series.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might be referring to Tollamy and the visual imagery of him being absorbed in a mainframe is very similar to what was going on with Lini at the end of the thing in a piece of an understanding.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like growing into her and her fingers were like branching out and growing into the tree.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that visual metaphor, you know, meditation place in like in like in his head space.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that visual metaphor, like so strongly correlates to what happened to me last episode that there is, there is something to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Being absorbed by his consciousness, or somehow surviving in some sort of astral playing context.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: On this show, there's at least seven or eight different ways that she can come back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's X-Men as fuck, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: No one dies in an X-Men property.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, who's next?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, my number one talked a lot about it already and that's just mostly David how he went like full on batty in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he, I feel like he, if you had any doubt about who he is or where he's at mentally, this episode should have snapped you, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or else you need to go find a cult.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Find yourself a call, drink some blue juice and call your leader, Daddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I feel like this episode left a little doubt as to where David is at.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you mentioned it earlier, A-Ron.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think in your number three point, David's display of power.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that he's doing really bad things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't approve, but I love seeing his
[SPEAKER_00]: It was awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so awesome when seeing the road.
[SPEAKER_00]: And those were million passed by him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shattered.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, like a finish line, you know, and they just shatter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just like, oh, wow, you know, I mean, it was like they were nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I thought we were led to believe that, you know, they're not quite indestructible, but they went against the men at the menatar from last season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they've seen them like in some sort of battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes they end up in pieces and things, but they
[SPEAKER_00]: typically together yeah yeah so exactly so but it's cool to see him demonstrate those powers
[SPEAKER_02]: And I love how he like smears this dude all over the road.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Daniel shoots him with a taser and he's like, hey, that hurts.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did affect him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could tell he was kind of like, oh, you know, at least it irritated him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it's like a mosquito bite or something, but I just, I was a little bit just geeked out getting to watch him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always loved to see David when we first got it in season one when he did go to division three, even if he was under the shadow kings.
[SPEAKER_00]: control, you know, him just kind of snapping his fingers and, you know, everyone gets put into walls and floors and concrete and I've just always loved his because he's so powerful and just fun to watch, you know, a powerful mutant, whether they're good or bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just like, you know, that side of me that just kind of got a little bit of a rush seeing.
[SPEAKER_00]: him do do that to snaps his fingers or waves his hand or smushes a guy through the best and he's just a bloody trail.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you become a little more okay with maybe calling him daddy at some point?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still not okay with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just strange to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm totally fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever floats your body is I'm totally fine with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not judgmental.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just not for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, you guys made a really good point when you're talking about like how it all of this is like practice for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like a video game version that he can just I'm just gonna, you know, net of this matters.
[SPEAKER_00]: but he just can't see that it doesn't take away from what he's done even if he can go back and fix things and change things and make things different make it to where fruit never enters his mind and as he says you know because David's the eternal victim
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't change him killing all of these people.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a moral question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if I knew that I could go back in time and change it so nothing I was doing now ever happened, then if I was causing people some distress, that would be one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But way on the edge of the spectrum, what if there was really prolonged excruciating suffering involved?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then it's like, huh, the question becomes less clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if it's all going to be erased, is it okay that some people endured some really harsh suffering?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we should we should I'll take a course in a philosophy and ethics just in case any of us get superpowers because boy There's a lot a lot of trolley plot problems writ large dealing with time travel and and whatnot Yeah, it's easy to see why David gets kind of corrupt with
[SPEAKER_00]: having these massive amount of powers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, I don't know anybody that would be morally strong enough to resist doing, even, I mean, and I'm not talking like killing people or anything, but just to, you know, little, alter little things.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, go back all the closer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just make things just a little bit easier in life.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have all of that and there's no consequences for that, I mean, I don't know anybody that wouldn't, you know, tilt the scales in their favor just a little bit and use it, you know, and even maybe not the most wholesome way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I'm kind of seeing, he just happens to have some mental issues that just, you know, really kind of push it the other way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but but billionaires are okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're never going to turn against us or act in our arrest interest or abuse their fantastic Political and economic warping powers for evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what did fruit say just trying to lure him in there?
[SPEAKER_02]: God's make the rules or they don't follow him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can do what I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just letting it in.
[SPEAKER_02]: The metaphor for Mark Zuckerberg.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a couple.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can take your pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh oh for so many there's uh okay i'm gonna go with the flying to space sequence because it was just purely comic book awesome like and i felt like i really identified with carry we're going to space we're going to space and see that thing fire up and it's it turned off the props and fire to retro rockets and then it i mean this is like really comic bookie because there's no way in hell this could be realistic but when they actually pierce
[SPEAKER_03]: the atmosphere and it goes to that layer like I thought it was really beautiful and also the shots of the corpses in space kind of pure pure wedding around against the moon just some fantastic visual imagery and you know like I said it's it's just that there this was a very comic book episode because some of the things they did with like
[SPEAKER_03]: David's face being superimposed over the action and the forrooks face being imposed and the like knife welding.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mansonites kind of like face it like it just felt very yeah feel it felt very graphic novel kind of like a tour and I loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they were going to do that whole piece, love an understanding thing, my favorite was when the guys in space, their lips were kind of moving to sing with their throat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I really loved when all of David's multiple personalities, or whatever they are, converged on Sid inside David and we're repeating, I am Legion because I just like that aspect of the character and it ties it into the title, like you got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to figure out why this shows called that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now in the comic, they used to be other people that were absorbed into him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's what's happening here.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all look like here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they have different personalities that seems like.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if you're supposed to understand that this is kind of his body count because it went from, you know, at the season one, it was Legion because he had, you know, shadow king and a couple other, those things that has had.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then in season two, you had to British David.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then you know like this season there was like two or three of them and now there's just an army and I wonder I wonder if it's like either the time travel doing it or the body count that he's he's leaving behind is doing it I like yeah yeah I like the idea that it's the body count it kind of surprised me that shadow king yeah yeah totally shadow king even if he doesn't kill him though in the comics if they're near him but still
[SPEAKER_03]: the city of the city doesn't even seem to know about them david says you can't stop us right and that's interesting because why doesn't if he was in his mind for like thirty years why didn't he that's that's that's evidence that these are recent these are these are these are something new like this is something to David's done remodeling his mind since the shadow king moved out
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I did see some speculation that maybe because we know that Professor X is going to appear later in the season that you might find out that somehow Xavier like sealed off these parts of David's mind because knowing that the shadow king was there or did it protect him and that that's going to be revealed, which I think would be an interesting possibility.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do hope we get more clarity on what's going on with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did hear Wispers in his head in season one.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would put his hands on his head like.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the opening of our podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just taking from that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a good point too, and I'm not saying that that's wrong, but I also just wonder how much of when he's hearing those voices, if it's because he's telepathic, and he's hearing the voices of the people around him, like he can hear voices all around him, kind of like Professor X, when he hears all these voices, and then he uses a cerebral to kind of focus on this voice or this voice to find that person.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was just he didn't know how to control his power to suppress those voice.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my understanding.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the Bible, by the way, which I don't know anything about, but I researched it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am Legion is from the Book of Mark, where Jesus comes upon a demon possessed man crying in these tombs, and he says, come out of the man, you unclean spirit, and then he asked, what is his name?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the man replies, my name is Legion, because there are many of us, and then Jesus sends the evil spirits into pigs that get washed into a lake and drown.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there's a reference to that because they're kind of like demons.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're David's demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you mentioned it whenever Sydney is in his, I guess, brain, consciousness, whatever, and she's approached by his, she's surprised by him.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's definitely surprised and kind of freaked out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, when they said it, I like it's that there and goes, they said the thing, they said it, they said it, they said it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got so excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like jumping on my bed like in Glee.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought, oh my gosh, that's the first time that we've heard like at least even one of his personalities acknowledge who they are and that that's who he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because in season two it was Melanie that called him that whenever she was I guess under fruits influence and and was manipulating Sydney and you know telling about how bad David was and he was going to destroy the world and
[SPEAKER_00]: she called him Legion and that was huge and then of course in the season one opener we had the picture of David just for a few moments in like where he looked like the comic book version of Legion with Crystal Ball and his crazy hair and kind of floating amongst pillows and pregnant lany and all of that happening so that to me was just a huge moment I just giggled with Glee over finally getting to hear them say that and acknowledge that yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: Talking a little bit about I thought it was just interesting again Division three I'm wondering if they're realizing now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, which I guess most of them are maybe dead floating in space if they should have trusted for Rook He decided well you're not gonna listen to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just gonna I'm tired playing by your rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bring David here and there's gonna be where we're gonna confront this head on and he decides to do his own thing
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't tell whether that whole thing was a collaboration between Sid and Frook, but I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Sid wanted to hide Frook wanted to confront David, so Frook called him up there and he appeared to Sid, and so I think in the moment, she kind of improvised and decided to do what Frook had suggested.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it ended up not working.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then we saw Faroox real plan, which was to trap him in a spider web when he tried to get close.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's that's another indication that Holley's doing a little bit of slide a hand because like what's a good reason for Faroox not ambushing David at that like
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, particular time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like when he was at his weakest when he's distracted by a kid when then switch bodies, although I don't I don't know that for Luke's goal is to destroy David.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he still wants his power.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he what doesn't want to destroy him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or maybe even possesses by like upgrade bodies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like there's something he needs him or wants him for something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the key wants to destroy him.
[SPEAKER_02]: will know in three weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only other note that I had, I was, this was kind of a last minute ad that I had.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just reading some stuff today, news and stuff on, on Noah Halley trying to find some interesting tidbits.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I came across a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was older, so I don't have this whole interview, but it's a quote from an interview that he had.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were talking in the context of all of the projects that he had going on with Fargo with Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had his last book had just been published.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's got all these balls in the air, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're, you know, kind of asking him about, you know, hey, you've got a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You must be overwhelmed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I am a little overwhelmed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I won't lie to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, making a new season for Legion is not something you just switch into.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not something you do between dropping the kids off in the morning and having dinner at night.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a retreat into the woods for six weeks with some mushrooms and trying to come back with the answers.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I haven't stumbled yet.
[UNKNOWN]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, I love you.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Holly.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not just a switch.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he just confirmed he's using time travel to manage these multiple projects.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just like her mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a time-therner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's the only way this man gets anything done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm putting now to one ad for a time traveler today.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that's all my notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, there's a couple of things I want to talk about.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got really excited when the main frame with two other for millions plugged himself into this main frame and for millions shaped holes and then descended to the ship.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he's got a resume virtual control.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like holy shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this this isn't going to turn into like a giant robot?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he going to have like some kind of like battle suit that he comes at like what's going to happen and nothing really happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a four-grade generation thing there too.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's what's he virtually controlling?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's got to be something that we're gonna find out, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just thought that was he said lockdown.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought they were just protecting their bodies and they were still flying the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's not as cool as what I was hoping.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not that that giant airship deterrentism got a very thick fighter robot and with us We need a robot tech movie by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got it mentioned that since you just time it takes yeah, it's it's time it's time to do some the weirder I mean it's been what almost twenty years since a matrix came out to be too late if we don't hurry up and get it
[SPEAKER_03]: We need to, yeah, we need to get some of the weirder anime stuff done.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, the other thing I want to talk about is just in case you forgot, division three, a bunch of assholes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the way they treated switch, the way they treated switch, she had kind of like switched sides but then they throw her into this nightmare black hole device where she's seeing herself as like a robot that's not under control and she's got like this wind up thing installed in her spine and
[SPEAKER_03]: you know like also what the heck is David doing in this armored transport transporting like I have a feeling that they're still like rounding up mutants and trafficking that way and it's just like we've got David and for Rook the shadow king distracting us from the fact that these guys are bad dudes in their own right and are not something to necessarily be be cheered on about either maybe I mean I think right now their main goal is to deal with David
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're trying to be nimble and mobile and stuff, but I mean, yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're very much just do whatever it takes to accomplish our goals.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, you said, like with Switch, I was wondering, oh, it looks like she's back on David's side now.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's going on with her?
[SPEAKER_02]: But the way you just put it, well, they just put her in this nightmare situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe that's why she decided to go back to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, like David's like she's losing teeth and whatnot, but like, you know, she was she was actually outside of a nightmare dimension the entire time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Although, I know, like being locked in a black hole versus walking down endless time corridors, hand by time demons.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is worse.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but yeah, maybe picked door number three on that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she needs to travel back in time and tell herself not to take not to answer that time travel ad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and we know she has a diversion to robots to just your point about that is that, you know, she talks about, you know, her dad building these robots and she didn't trust for Roop because she called him a robot and said, David was a man, the vermillion are robots.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tond me.
[SPEAKER_02]: She said she used to go pretend she was one.
[SPEAKER_02]: She'd go into the room and pretend she was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if there's also a manifestation of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is all dream nightmare imagery, but I also wouldn't surprise me that she is in the construct.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, the duck hint was the fact that she's got that wind up thing at the bait.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like again, that's not literally true, but I think it's metaphorically true and her fathers are brilliant robot designer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know what that would do to the last, but.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... Legion World coming to season three you thought it was screwed up and did make sense before um... and then finally what do we think is his new time travel plan because she says are we gonna go back and do the baby again your mom because i got a different plan and then the ominous cords came in and then we got to see the time demons coming back what is it what's he going to do
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I feel like it'll have something to do with his father and fruit.
[SPEAKER_00]: That yeah, I don't know either, but that's my thoughts as well is maybe when his father and for root are battling maybe, but either before that or during that, I'm wondering, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we are going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, though, so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me ask you this, Jason, on podcast because official policy is the next time ons, are they considered spoilers?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say, let's just say, we're going to talk about next time on for the next couple of minutes, the, you know, like, thirty second or whatever it is, preview for next week's episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you don't want to hear that, you should just skip ahead a couple minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've been adequately warned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk.
[SPEAKER_03]: So next episode looks like it's all about Sid's childhood.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wonder if what Sid used to kind of, you know, trick David kind of did ring true about like, well, fixing everything and valves me being with Sid in the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's going to go back and do something to her past to
[SPEAKER_03]: either help himself or make her like like like like resisted the the the the the see that was planted in her and the rather other like Melanie and other people in division three like he's gonna attack her from that direction like hey I'm gonna I'm gonna give this person the tools to save me because I can't prevent the original sin and this way I'll still get what's it I wonder if that's what he's trying to do that seems interesting
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of so indirect that it would be not guaranteed to work, you know, like, yeah, no, I bet it's like kind of like, maybe approaching it more obliquely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just might work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe going back and just trying to protect himself in the past hasn't worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing about that that didn't work is he just couldn't communicate well, he couldn't get through.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so
[SPEAKER_02]: given that it seems pretty cocky of him to be like, oh yeah, I can just kill all these people because not gonna matter I'll go back in time and fix it since he had a huge failure recently, but I guess maybe I think those rich wristwatches are gonna help him with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are things he's he's not going back to cids.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would believe that cids a little bit younger than David anyway, but also like from the previews she
[SPEAKER_03]: is somewhere in the five to ten year range.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like maybe he's not going quite so far back in time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's he sees it like perceived as easier to do as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was Jameen Clement in there?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they had him and they also had the voice of Melanie.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Gene Smart.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm really excited about that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm interested to see how they come into play and how Sid comes into play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we know they're stuck somewhere or they've chosen to be together in the astral plane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they said last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I thought they were there by choice because they said that that's where they could be together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And their bodies were safely hidden away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that shadow king shadow king trickery
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe there was really no explanation because it looked like there was a little bit at the end of season, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was like a little bit of a time jump.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we had that little moment with, you know, that closing moment with Jamaican Clement and Jean Smart there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I don't know, but that's just where they kind of left this mess, what they said.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it sounded like they were talking from the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's like they decided to go into their own little personal matrix, which they also had started to forget their friends from division three.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing that I thought was the big clue that...
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like Sunday been, you know, manipulated, especially, uh, shoot, who's Jamaican claimants, uh, Oliver, especially Oliver, who is a powerful, uh, mutant telepath in his own right?
[SPEAKER_03]: you know feel like something like it's like if it was voluntary that I don't understand if it's a voluntary exile I don't understand why they're a little not a little bit more together though I guess I guess Oliver and season one was pretty dreamy and distant too he was in the stasis for so long right like thirty years and he just like he'd forgotten who Melanie was he kind of carry you know to be gone for so long
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe maybe that's that's more the easy explanation, but they're coming back.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that'll be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean because whatever the case I thought that was the show's way of giving those actors an out since they might not be back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm glad to see that they are because I wasn't sure we were gonna see them again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any other notes?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, you kind of mentioned this already.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aron, but I love the line when David said to Shadow King, you're always so good at that using words to say things you don't mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes, of course, I mean them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're my son and you're my cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that was just powerful moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello that what else oh when Sid asked David what happened to Lenny and he says she abandoned me which is total narcissists way of making it immediately about himself but anyway he goes like my parents like you
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, wow, yeah, he does have a lot of these abandonment happenings in his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that is what happens to people a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have this core wound from childhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it kind of repeats itself throughout their lives in different ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're kind of unconsciously recreating it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like sometimes the intense fear of something can cause you to accidentally recreate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: For example, if you're afraid of abandonment, you can be extra clingy and push people away or things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just another psychological dynamic playing out with David.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we're back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time for the news.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so we have a couple items today.
[SPEAKER_00]: First, when we have us from collider.com, this was taken from an interview with Stephanie Cornelius and they asked her what made you want to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, I'm such a huge Legion fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you work in TV, you don't have a lot of time to watch stuff, even though people think you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh, you're an actor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you love everything that has to do with acting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do, but I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have time to watch much of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is Gabrielle, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Gabrielle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: If people didn't know who Stephanie Cornelius was, she is Gabrielle David's mother.
[SPEAKER_00]: She goes on to say, but Legion was one of the shows that I was really, really obsessed with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember shooting Mr. Robot and when watching the first season of Legion when I came home at night.
[SPEAKER_00]: So being a part of Legion was huge and being a part of the Marvel Universe was huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: but then also getting to portray something that was so different than Joanna and not a villain for once was really nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next question, they ask mental illness is a huge part of who David Holler is.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you want to dig into when it comes to having a full understanding of that aspect of his life?
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, for the show, you need to know that David, even though he is one of the most powerful meetings in the universe, also has serious struggles, and they do come from his mother.
[SPEAKER_00]: The way we, as a society, stigmatized mental illness, is sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it could be much better if there was a lot more talk about it and free open talk about it instead of making it so taboo.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you're seeing with Gabrielle is a lot of the things that David tries to hide.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see them very clearly in Gabrielle.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Gabrielle that you're going to see in the beginning of the season is for true self.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the person that you see when you close the door and you have to flip the light switch two times before you exit the bathroom.
[SPEAKER_00]: I personally do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing the real raw essence of how it is to live with that and I think it's important because David lives with that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: We focus so much on mutant side of him that he gets from his father and not the broken part of him that actually makes him a whole person.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next question was, with Professor X being so important to everything, X-Men, and your character, such a big part of his story, is there anything that you were most concerned about making sure that you got right?
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, this is an alternate version, but in the comic, you see this very strong side of Gabrielle Holler.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a powerhouse, she's a lawyer, she fights for human rights, and she does a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here, you actually get to see the real frail version of her.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I read that was what we were going where we were going at, for me, it was just important to make her a real person and give her a real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Marvel and for fans of Legion, I thought it was my job to give her real life.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's doing a great job, and I think it's interesting that she refers to her character as Gabrielle Haller, because we weren't sure that was her last name, maybe she's wrong, but...
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, she seems to have some familiarity with the comic and the character in comic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if she just was familiar with it before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she did some research when she got the role or she was just a big fan anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know it's how they talk about her in the comic as Gabrielle Haller.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if that's what her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even seem much robot.
[SPEAKER_03]: She, I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was about to say that like, man, she sure pricks her project because if there's like
[SPEAKER_03]: The three most mind-binding shows that I can think of on television right now are Mr. Robot, Westworld, and Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to watch that then.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Mr. Robot really played a similar to Legion plays with your concept of what's real, what's what's fantasy, what's inventory.
[SPEAKER_02]: The mental illness, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's also a mental, yeah, he's got mental illness and there's addiction and it's real good.
[SPEAKER_03]: It loses its way a little bit in season two, but it's season three is real strong.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's in Westworld.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I just say that like I've all the three mind-melting projects currently, like she's in two of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very different characters because she's very, you know, she's very villainous in Mr. Robot and she's very virtuous and so far in Legion.
[UNKNOWN]: So far.
[SPEAKER_00]: add another show to my enneverending list.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So next item is just a quick little item from the rat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this isn't directly related to Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, it was some news for Noah Hawley and Fargo.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Fargo season four has rounded out its cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: This last Thursday they named twelve new members who will join previously announced our Chris Rock.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the cast is led by Jack Houston, Jason Schwarzman and
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Wishaw, along with Jesse Buckley, Salvatore Spazito, Andrew Bird, Jeremy Harris, who is from Legion, he plays Potonomy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Guy Tano Bruno, Angie White, Francesco Aquarly, I'm sorry if I'm between these names, Emory Crutchfield, and Amber, my mid-thunder, who is the female carry.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be joining.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the fourth season of Fargo will travel back to the nineteen fifties.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I'm going to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that's not too spoilery for anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they will begin production this fall in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will air on FX in twenty twenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Joel anything, Cohen, along with Warren Littlefield will serve as executive producers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So super excited for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a big Fargo fan and everything, Noah Holley.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was excited for that news.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just prior to Comic Con last week.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's it for the news.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got the worst, I think we're going to do a roundup of Comic Con on the bald movie episode this this week and it's like too much too much to put our hands around.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so much information came out on around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: All the best shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's it for the news.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's move on to mental notes aka listener responses.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mofavo says, remember in season one, we're all we ever did was keep track of Sid's hands.
[SPEAKER_03]: Howly set us up or set that scene up perfectly.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was all there on rewatch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you mentioned that to Jason and he and like just when we stopped there, she did they hit us with the Okidoq.
[SPEAKER_02]: Were you anticipating that as she reached for his face?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I knew that she was doing something.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I had no until, as she was reaching up, I'm like, oh crap, she took off her gloves.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was like, I caught it like a half second before it was obvious, but I don't think there's any prizes for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you'd win first prize over my second because I was like, why is he recording?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a switch thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it makes it really interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really, what the hell happened to Sid?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, it's like did he wipe her memory?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did he, is she trapped as we saw there in David's mind with her with his personalities?
[SPEAKER_02]: She seemed paralyzed or catatonic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just unresponsive.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if she's like, was he
[SPEAKER_00]: If she's somehow trapped in his consciousness, in his mind, whatever, with all of his personalities, it seemed to at least the visual that we got as she surrounded by all of his personalities going, you know, we are Legion, we are Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it seemed like he was able to switch back, like he had her powers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where it was kind of weird where it was kind of going comic booky twist.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Aeron, you mentioned Lenny is she being absorbed into David.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did Sidney's powers somehow get absorbed in today, because it looked like he was able to touch her and switch back into his own body.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, that was just a few questions I had.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, maybe he can do that now.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it works in the comics.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets their powers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which suggests an interesting in-game with the switch dilemma.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's not strong enough to do the things he wants to do, David's a god.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes absorbs her powers, kills her absorbs her powers, or somehow absorbs her powers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he has the killer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't we have one watch?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Laura really sweet says, wow, I'm constantly amazed by the meticulous work done on Legion from the experimental visuals to the surreal soundscapes and sensual set designs.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels less like a television series and more like performance art, especially this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was bummed when Lenny died, but then I reasoned to myself that she's been dead before and, as David said, no one is ever really dead, especially not on this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad we finally got to see David's Legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: But not sure they've adequately explained his condition the way it's explained in the comics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this just what happens to an Omega level mutant when they have mental instability and dissociative identity disorder?
[SPEAKER_02]: And if so, why have we never seen any of the personalities come out?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm thinking James McVoy in Split.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they all stay contained inside David's mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still confused about for Rook.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he helping division three?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he sabotaging them?
[SPEAKER_02]: sabotaging.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still don't understand why Switch is against him and still supporting David, but I am content to just watch and bathe in the sheer luxury and enigma of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then listen to you three try to deconstruct this Jackson Pollock of a show.
[SPEAKER_02]: But by the way, I really enjoyed the reappearance of Aeron this season.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is some great insights and also plays so well off of Jason Arena.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cheers, Lara.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very sweet of you, Lara.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are really great observations.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to just jump into something that she said when she says why we never seen any of the personalities come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that we haven't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking less episode David said to Lenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, because this is my time.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is David's time, and he's got things to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do we know that wasn't one of his personalities?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because all of his other personalities in his head when they're talking to Sid.
[SPEAKER_00]: call him David, but they don't call themselves David, they call themselves Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they have maybe shown themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just didn't know it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He referred himself to the person there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this episode, he wasn't in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so his other personalities rested control away from Sid.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so yeah, we did see that this episode, but maybe it could also be just that, you know, if he's there, then he's dominant.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we've seen it before and didn't know it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, that's our show episode twenty four.
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