[SPEAKER_05]: It just feels like I'm supposed to do something, but I don't know what.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's normal.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a big world, and there's so much you haven't seen yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because you won't show me.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's about the order of things, the order you learn.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you're a young, we let you be wild, because wildness is important.
[SPEAKER_04]: But as you go, all the will give you structure.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you'd feel safe.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can take care of myself.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's something.
[SPEAKER_04]: The secret of life.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you feel safe when you're young, you will feel safe when you're old.
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel safe.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we want that feeling to last.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're not old yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I am.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: You have your whole life to be old.
[SPEAKER_04]: But today you're still young.
[SPEAKER_04]: Trust me.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're doing this right.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have to learn about love before we can learn about hate.
[SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise everything goes to hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, everybody, welcome to the podcast, I'm Jason.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I'm Rima.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I may run.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the Legion podcast episode twenty five.
[SPEAKER_02]: This week, it's our top three highlights for season three episode six chapter twenty five.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you guys think?
[SPEAKER_08]: Two thumbs up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you love it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or did you like it?
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it took me a while.
[SPEAKER_08]: I had to kind of sit on it.
[SPEAKER_08]: And for a long time, I sat there not knowing what was happening, much less knowing if I liked it or not.
[SPEAKER_08]: But once it was over, and it all kind of wrapped up, then I realized how much I liked it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I wasn't sure if I was going to being, and usually the Sid's and church episodes, I like.
[SPEAKER_08]: I really love the one from season two.
[SPEAKER_08]: In the maze, when David went to figure her out,
[SPEAKER_08]: So I really enjoyed that one, so I wasn't sure about this one, but I really enjoyed, I love how everything kind of came together, and I thought it was a beautiful setting on top of it, so yeah, liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of agree with Remed that a lot of this episode I was sitting and being like, okay, where's this going?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wasn't sure if they were like trying to tell me, I wasn't sure exactly what story they were actually telling for a while and then when it became clear that they're telling the story of Oliver and shoot what is smelling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Melanie Bird kind of like guiding Sid's consciousness or soul back to its body after David ripped it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought okay, that's actually an interesting way to the handle this because you know we we've often remarked that Sid seems like a very different character in her future self than she did in like her present self.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this goes a long way to explaining that
[SPEAKER_01]: you know this is a more conscientious and deliberately heroic character and you can see from the way she was raised by by Melanie and Oliver that that was kind of intentional and you know like it this show continues to get away things that it shouldn't like this this rap battle shouldn't have worked in fact it's kind of it's actually pretty lame it's pretty lame dad rap if we're going to be honest
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's kind of what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's nothing but a story.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's nothing but trying to dramatize some kind of psychological mental battle on the actual plane.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you are, if you're along for the ride this far, you're not going to be like bullshit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out on this ride.
[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_08]: They're totally posting that in a little bit further.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we'd seen this in episode two, it might be like, Holly's, Holly's like, I got a point to share.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think Jason?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I liked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, um, it wasn't my favorite on first watch, but second watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: And saying it wasn't my favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't mean I didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, you know, it wasn't my favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I did like it and I liked it more on second watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I think, yeah, that was sort of a domain clement swansong to do a fly to the Concord style rap, which made it even more fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, have you seen that show?
[SPEAKER_01]: They run?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I have, and I haven't seen what we do in the dark or any other cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got, like, I'm, I'm criminally under exposed to Mr. Clement, like the one thing I've seen him in is Moana when he plays a really cool fabulous crap for like five minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder, yeah, I don't know you well enough to know if you would like flight of the Concord, but it's really solid but creative and fun and I think you might like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jim seen it and he likes it, so that's a pretty good indicator.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have pretty fine, finally the same tune, not finally a tune, finally same tunes into humor, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought this episode in some ways felt kind of like an expanded version of these John Ham vignettes that we got in season two because it felt a bit less in like like here's all these issues around parenting and what can go wrong and here's how you do it right and you know the psychological implications of both paths
[SPEAKER_02]: And it got a little maybe a little too lesseny for me at times, but I still enjoyed it and I really enjoyed thinking about it afterwards.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, give it a thumbs up.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's get into our top three.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't we have a round go first this time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one where it's like, this is a challenging format.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me say that I really like the entirety of the Big Bad Wolf performance by Jason Manzaukes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is Lucas?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say Manzukas.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because like I've got that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got that condition where I can't remember people's names and the names have like more than two syllables.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hopeless.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I, I read a review that said that he would make a good Disney villain, and that's what this felt like, like, you know, that second run of Golden Age classics, like, he would fit right in there with Scar, and, uh, Jafar, and, you know, in a Disney, uh, evil kind of, not too evil, like, flamboyant and scary, but not too scary, but then,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know that scene of like when when Cynthia was gesturing down the alley where they live and he's standing there to gateway of hell it's like okay this you know that now that Sid's grown up a little bit he's presenting himself as a little scarier I it's everything about he was like cut kind of cute and cutly big bad wolf when Cynthia was a little girl and he grew up to a genuine menace and I just thought I never
[SPEAKER_01]: I always think if him is a really goofy dude, and I don't really take him serious as a dramatic actor, really, and this kind of let me see him in a new light.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I liked that he played it almost somewhat understated because he definitely looked like a Disney villain.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the way he came off a lot of the time except for when he was really presenting his dark like he said was just kind of like a dude that's into some kind of sleazy stuff and I definitely have some friends that are very similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: and you know it's like sometimes you want to hear about it like that's the whole point is that some of this stuff can actually be kind of appealing or tempting to to you know get involved with I mean I guess not really none of this stuff he was saying like I don't want to get involved with committee
[SPEAKER_02]: or anything, but it's just the way he comes off, it's sort of like, not like, more like, hey, you know, what do you think about this?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you guys think he actually represented?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that he represented knowledge of things that you're not ready to learn as a kid and temptations and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: and that you know Oliver says regarding against knowledge so it's knowledge of things in the real world before the child is equipped and ready to handle them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it does it did seem like there is a little satanic imagery like I thought when I first saw the heartling on the street I actually thought it was an apple and you know that's the whole the myth of Adam and Eve is the devil uh uh uh gave the knowledge between good and bad and I felt like that like
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the knowledge he was offering was not necessarily bad or evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like, you know, painful adult truths and and representing like, you know, cynicism because I think that's a different thing like people being cynics and optimist is like, you know, if you hear all the bad things about the world and you're like, well, that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why bother to try then you fall in the cynical camp and if you were like, despite all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: something inspiring about the fact that people still try and still try to be good then you fall in the Optimus camp and that was Melanie and Oliver trying to keep her on that Optimus path and and you know shield her in a way that she wasn't shielded you know in her room growing up so she can she can keep that heroic streak about her I thought that was
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not like she was not heroic before, but there's definitely some kind of change in her character though.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they even say it at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: You seem different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's hard to put your finger on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just her hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something like, you know, like there was a reluctant heroism or, and now it's more of like a altruistic paladin type of good now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I questioned how much of what happened to her was about replacing her, the parenting she already got and how much was just about repairing her after what David did to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was kind of both.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Rimo, it's your number three.
[SPEAKER_08]: Just an extension of what Aeron is talking about with the big bad wolf is just the new visit to the astral plane that we got this season instead of it being like this cold igloo or ice cube that we've kind of seen before when we would go visit you know Oliver when David kind of met up him the first time or when Sid Sid was there and she was in that igloo and just other representations
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, this was just a nice calm kind of fairy tale kind of imagery that we had.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think it was peaceful and serene with the exception of the wolf, of course.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I think that even, you know, I met getting kind of lost at first thinking, well, you know, we're going through this whole fairy tale and the big bad wolf and the three little pigs kind of storyline.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was kind of confused, but I think it ended up working.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I thought it was kind of cool, you know, I see Oliver, you know, mandering about and, you know, collecting things in his little red wagon and, you know, and finding out that this is the place where things are that are forgotten about.
[SPEAKER_08]: And then to find that Sid has been
[SPEAKER_08]: taken there because she's you know kind of had her mind lost and that she and I was kind of confused at first why is she had to why she was a baby why she wasn't like her adult self but I think is a story when along that kind of made more sense but as kind of thought that was interesting so I mean I think partly that might be because of what David did to her a reducer to that state but what else what other things you have in mind about why she was a baby
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I don't.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't really have any insight or clarity as to why she was.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was kind of confused by that.
[SPEAKER_08]: First of all, why would she be a baby?
[SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like, well, okay, so, you know, I guess maybe she needed, like you said, needed to be.
[SPEAKER_08]: She needed to kind of start for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: The plot demands it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of felt like a little bit.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I feel like she is because she has to be.
[SPEAKER_08]: I guess it's because that's what works the most to do or have here.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, I've learned with this show not to, it's like what you guys were talking about with the wrap.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like, you just get to a point with the show where you just stop asking questions and you just let it be.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, I still, because I'm curious and I have questions, they still come to mind, but in the end, I'm kind of like, I don't really care.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's, you know, it's legion.
[SPEAKER_08]: It just kind of is what it is.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I just let it be what it is without trying to make it.
[SPEAKER_08]: What I think it should be.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I just love how they kind of let Noah Holly just do what he wants creatively speaking and just kind of let him put all of that out there.
[SPEAKER_08]: I know that he doesn't direct all of them but you know the directors take his vision and put it on the screen.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I feel like this does come from him and I just I'm so gonna miss this show when it's over.
[SPEAKER_08]: We only have a couple episodes left and to not have something as
[SPEAKER_08]: visually pleasing is the show and and just the creativity it just it really feeds something in me I guess because I'm not such a creative person myself and I wish that I was so to see that I'm from someone else was just really nice and I liked and and the fact that they created it out of like this little spot that Melanie and Oliver chose for themselves came from like this flower pot in the middle of the city was like I still don't really get that
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like so they first lived in a flower box and they lived in a drop of rain maybe Okay, and then moved into city so like I there's probably There's probably a rich vein of allegory to mine there
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was trying to try this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fabel-like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, you arrive at the ball and a carriage made out of a pumpkin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really think you mentioned that you like the kind of the feel of the fabelness of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a metaphor for when, you know, this whole episode kind of espouses this view of the healthiest way to raise a child, which is, you know, the order of things is important.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when they, you know, you need to kind of protect them from things and let them give them knowledge when they're ready for it, but not before.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the fable like quality, as she says at some point, we're trying to raise our baby in a world of magic and wonder.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: And you see that with parents too, they're kind of enriching their kids' fantasy lives, but protecting them from the harsh truths of the world and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as far as like whether it makes sense, I think the first priority of this episode was let's do let's show Melanie and Oliver helping Sid get back to, you know, fighting stance where she needs to be the hero of the story, at least that's what I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also do a metaphor about raising children.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, those are the two things that had to be right for no Holly, I believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then although logistics and everything else, you kind of have to do some leaps to make it fit into the whole mutant narrative or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is this the kind of the developed that point a little bit more?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did Melanie and Oliver bail to the astroplane last season to await?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did they have some kind of inkling that there this is like some sort of destiny for them?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the follow up on that is
[SPEAKER_01]: then helping Sid rediscover herself did that also helped and discovered their themselves to because they reverted back to their like true forms at the end but yet are unwilling to come back to the real world to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was puzzled by that because I thought that was what was building.
[SPEAKER_02]: The unwillingness to come back does fit in with what we saw of them before, which the last time we saw them, they were in the Astro plane and talking about how great it was and that they loved it and that their bodies were safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually have a clip of that just to kind of refresh us because I feel like it has bearing on this story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a couple of minutes long, but I'm gonna play it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So here we go.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not much, it's so.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a bit drippy sometimes.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we're happy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Cube, sweet cube.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've been here for about an hour.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's the word?
[SPEAKER_05]: Soup?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, don't get soup.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can get longer than that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anywho.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, what happened?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the world ended.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sweetheart, we said to her.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm exaggerating, she had to let me do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't realize and said, you know, everybody toiling away.
[SPEAKER_06]: Toil, toil, toil, toil.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're a good versus evil, all that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: We just, well, we just don't do that sort of thing anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, we were just losing too much here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Time, time.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was time that we were losing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, my beloved and I. Grim and bride.
[SPEAKER_04]: Our bodies.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, we're going to do with our bodies.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're safe.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm somewhere.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're hidden.
[SPEAKER_04]: To tell you, the location would be um, genius.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's actually better without them.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, all those aches and pains and aging.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, well, not to mention various gases.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, we missed them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Our best people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, our co-workers, my com, of course, our glasses make lab coat.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, uh, the... The girl I would kick, kick everyone on this head.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and Sidney.
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't forget Sidney.
[SPEAKER_06]: I have forgotten Sidney.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it... Oh, what happened to her was so sad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very sad.
[SPEAKER_04]: What was it that happened to her?
[SPEAKER_06]: The portrayal she was portraying.
[SPEAKER_06]: After the fight was for room when David turned.
[SPEAKER_04]: The term there was a great battle with what's his face for Rook for Rook.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very soothing voice I found.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very hypnotic.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember helping him.
[SPEAKER_05]: This, I do.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why did he turn again?
[SPEAKER_04]: Stay good person.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because she showed him his future.
[SPEAKER_02]: one thing about that two I forgot to mention there's a title card at the beginning that says three years later so um just hearing that and watching it again it's not totally clear to me that they actually did go there of their own accord because at the end they're like oh we helped them they don't remember anything and you know right yeah that's a trap
[SPEAKER_01]: if you screwed me over there because I thought you I thought I had an interesting theory please in the three years later because I was thinking oh because you can already see some hints about them you know they they had a plan maybe they're manipulated into it but they've started to lose the plot and details like you know they remember some people but they did remember Sydney and I'm like oh that kind of tracks but
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess I'm super confused about because I remember clearly thinking at the end of season two that the shadow king had somehow pulled a con to get them these two powerful people off the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is the culmination of delusion that you put in Melonys head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, well, it seems they are there now too though.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just because that was three years later doesn't mean that they weren't placed there earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because right now, Sydney's, I mean, who knows how time in the Astroplane correlates with the physical world, but Sydney's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's just now gotten her mind flayed and then she ends up there and there they are.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think that she was in the astral plane for like nearly a lifetime, but it was only twenty minutes from the time that David like when they swapped bodies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but my question is if we're trying to figure out when the when they first went there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it right now within the context of the show?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it is because for one thing, they're not there in the physical world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was interesting that to me to hear that because well for a bunch of different reasons, but one is that he asks why David turned and she says because she showed him his future, which is something that we've talked about, like maybe that was sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's getting us away from this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought it would be like, can I go into my number three?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you guys ready for it?
[SPEAKER_07]: Please.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was wondering how that we knew they ended up there and how that squares with what we saw in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're on the Asterplane or in or on.
[SPEAKER_02]: in both, but now they're this quaint fairy tale couple.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they don't seem to have any awareness that that's just not their natural state.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just are going about their lives when they find baby Sydney.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they say she seems familiar, but they're not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess that squares with them just being kind of foggy about everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: but then at the very end when Oliver does the rap battle and he's back in his leisure suit and Melanie sees him and then she's in her regular close then she seems to wake up and realize okay this whole thing that we were just doing this whole fable thing was just for the purpose of helping out sit and now we can go back to what we were doing before that's what seemed like
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was thinking that like they're going for this the you know the kind of like a fairly tropey observation of the parented which is you kind of rediscover yourself through watching your children grow up and I wondered if they were just really leaning into that metaphor to like these are
[SPEAKER_01]: all three characters who are like have some kind of intrinsic goodness, but also have lost a little piece of them with subs along the way are kind of going through his voyage of discovery together and maybe you know Melanie and Oliver know a thing or two more than Sid because they've been on the astral plane long enough along but like it's
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of recall their purpose by helping her recall her.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, it's almost like this like evolutionary process that it's like this random consciousness was found by this random kind of psychic wanderer and he decides kind of on a whim to bring it to the hut and you know, wouldn't it be nice to kind of raise it and everything kind of comes together as it comes together is what I into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, you're not going to find that in the script.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's engineered to have us talking about different possibilities and not knowing which one is right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like even like when you said the three years later and then the Astral's plot, you can live, you know, sixteen years and twenty minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does three years later mean are those Astral time minutes or those dog years?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then as far as what we learned about the Astroplane, they made up some new rules that it's a magnet for lost dreams.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes mines.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the other thing we found in the real world when people lost their minds.
[SPEAKER_02]: They ended up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that kind of explains both how...
[SPEAKER_02]: Melanie and Oliver, they kind of had a sense lost their minds because their minds are not attached to their bodies anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess and Melanie lost your mind because of what David did to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just as a reminder, last time we saw her, her consciousness was inside David's body and she met all his legion of personalities.
[SPEAKER_02]: and they dragged her back into this dark space screaming and then in the physical world we see that David touching her and his mind had returned to his own body and she's just laying their frozen with her eyes open.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you said Melanie, you said Melanie, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to make it a little more confusing for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's the original Legion they showed on the West Coast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to screw with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would have put it fast though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't it be funny if Noah Holley did do that like every time zone he showed a slightly different Legion just to watch the chaos on the internet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't put it fast though.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been getting some more trippy emails.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was supposed to allow him to go into that, but what else?
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, but you know, David though, when he met, when we were like fully introduced to Oliver in season one,
[SPEAKER_08]: And David, you know, was in the ice cube with him.
[SPEAKER_08]: That was because David kind of lost it to that was when Ferric really kind of took him over and push and push David out.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's how he encountered him and, you know, and I don't know that
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know what it was.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: Never fully explain how Oliver just kind of ended up there.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like because he kept going there and kept going there and kept going there and then he just never came back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just never came back.
[SPEAKER_08]: He just never came back and got lost.
[SPEAKER_08]: Even though it wasn't explicit in
[SPEAKER_08]: all of those tales.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was here, you know, mines being lost.
[SPEAKER_08]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the last thing just since it's my point is about Melanie and Oliver.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just I'm glad that they're here that they're in an episode that they didn't just disappear because I like the two actors and the two characters and it was fun to see them have a different
[SPEAKER_02]: Spin on it, but they were still there kind of quirky cute cells like I like when Melanie invites this girl Cynthia in and Oliver pushes the wolf out and he's like sorry as he's doing it and then the wolf grower and he's all listen don't be mad
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like all over the way we responded to your enemy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they're using the wrong words for things like they used to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even the I already mentioned it, but the rap battle at the end was a nice way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's probably Jamaican Clements last seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So why not have him do something that he's known for?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Aeron number two.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought there are some really sweet things like a general kind of parenting philosophy that is like, I don't know, anyone can live up to this fully, but there's, you know, some of the things he was saying to like, young, young, sit about, you know, they're being this kind of the secret to life is that, you know, when you were young and you're wild, you let you be wild, but as you got older, we provide it order so it feels safe and if you safe when you're young, you'll feel safe when you're old and
[SPEAKER_01]: And that gives you an environment where it's conducive that you can learn about love and it's important that you learn about love before you learn about hate and, you know, like, the answer to why they built a stone walls, like, you know, your mom and I taught you to work hard, so you'd be able to work hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked to you to ask questions that you could ask questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a really cool way to express kind of like how to raise a person who's able to bring value to their community and like there's a lot of intention there.
[SPEAKER_01]: and obviously a lot of love and I thought it was really sweet and I thought that the germane and the gene smart made really really cute secure and stable parental figures.
[SPEAKER_02]: As a parent do you agree with everything?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm kind of, uh, I'm kind of, uh, up and air about how I feel about them associating with unsupervised around a big bad wolf, but uh, yeah, I don't know because it's, you know, it is like fairy tale and the thing is is like, I, you know, I had a lot of high-minded
[SPEAKER_01]: Noble sentiments of how I was going to parent when you know Jack was yeah one month old Yeah, I'm trying I'm trying to keep to that I've kept a lot of the promises I made to myself But there's you know a couple that I've that I've broken over the years because Parenting they never show any of the frustrations of parenting and they don't they don't show you all the times that a child's going to to like make small steps towards like the Cynthia path and like how scary and
[SPEAKER_01]: gripped up, you can get over that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because, you know, these characters are in, you know, they only live forty five minutes at a time on television.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they don't, you know, they have infinite patience.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but yeah, I mean, yeah, broad strokes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was a pretty nice parental ethos.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for the most part, I mean, almost totally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, the only part where I question, and I think anytime you're talking about parenting, it's gonna, um, raise your hackles a little bit because everyone has, sure, different ideas about parenting.
[SPEAKER_08]: And very strong ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I do agree with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost all of it that it's my job to give structuring guidance and protection and and support and love and and keep Introduce things to my kids when they're ready for it and when it would serve them and and challenge them and not before
[SPEAKER_02]: But probably, you know, actually, this is probably a failing of mine, but I think I show them things too early.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's one reason why this is maybe TMI for people, but I guess I'm kind of famous for that at this point, but my two and a half year old boatie is now known as the hitter at daycare.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's just because I showed him too damn much spider-man cartoons.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess yeah, this isn't me saying I disagree with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just me saying I'm not doing a very good job at it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, but that's just you know superhero cartoons.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like I'm explaining Plymouth to him or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: say which will about the hitter is he's not going to get get gonery when he grows up outside of the light side everything there's it's like a hope it's it's all the cartoons I grew up with had this little moral lessons at the end you know so they can sneak under the fair what was it the fair broadcasting standard whatever it's like imagine
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey kids, make sure you wear a condom if you're... What's up for VD?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rima, number two.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh gosh.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, just kind of expanding on what you guys were just talking about, you know, theme that we've had, I feel since the beginning that Noah Holly
[SPEAKER_08]: keeps reminding us of in the series is the nature versus nurture.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I think that this episode was shining a bright light on that, which, again, tells us, or at least is supposed to, I think, show us that with the right upbringing and structure, it can shape people into the right kind of people.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if that's true or not, but I feel like that's what we're being.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the theme, the importance of parenting.
[SPEAKER_08]: And how good parenting can really shape people.
[SPEAKER_08]: And we've shown or been shown a lot how David was left, how he felt abandoned by his real parents.
[SPEAKER_08]: He said it multiple times.
[SPEAKER_08]: Even before we met his real parents in this season, he would always say, why did they get rid of me?
[SPEAKER_08]: What was wrong with me?
[SPEAKER_08]: He would always say, what was wrong with me?
[SPEAKER_08]: Why was I not loved?
[SPEAKER_08]: And then, even his adoptive parents and even Amy, his sister, couldn't help him the way that he needed to be helped.
[SPEAKER_08]: They didn't know about for Rook and him messing with his mind.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know that they were well equipped to deal with his mental illness and he ended up being locked up in clockworks.
[SPEAKER_08]: And then, on the other side, we've seen how Sid was raised and how she
[SPEAKER_08]: wasn't I wouldn't think anyway in my opinion not really nurtured in the way that she needed to be and she was closed off with her powers kind of making her that way she was disconnected from people and not able to feel like she should have and I don't I think that her mom you know was kind of a little bit of a narcissist and not able to really give her what she needed and
[SPEAKER_02]: and she wasn't horrible, right, at least for a reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, like, she had her bound up in the mental institution pretty early on, but who knows?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying it's, I like it that it's not just like, oh, she had this evil stepmother or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like, she tried, but maybe it wasn't exactly what Sid needed
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I don't, I don't think it was what she needed.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, she was, and I don't know that it was clear whether she admitted herself, whether her mother wanted her to go there, but we know that she was there for what an anti-social disorder.
[SPEAKER_08]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I think that it was interesting and how they were trying to teach in this episode about making decisions from love and not fear.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I think that we see so much of that.
[SPEAKER_08]: the series and with David making choices out of fear and not love.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I just, I think, I just thought this was an interesting take on.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I think it was really well done.
[SPEAKER_08]: I said, take me, it took me a while to kind of figure out what was happening.
[SPEAKER_08]: And then by the end it was kind of like, oh, that was the whole point of all of these lessons.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, thinking about it now too, it's a really positive episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that she needed help.
[SPEAKER_02]: They wanted to help her.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were some challenges there with the wolf, but he failed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's one tragic figure which I'm going to talk about in a minute, but for Sydney it was just a positive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's nice to have an episode of TV that's mostly positive and interesting in that way.
[SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Occasionally, I mean, who would get boring if it was every week?
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's a nice departure from David's slaughtering pretty much everybody with a snap of his fingers and you got dead corpses singing outside and space and, you know, it's nice little.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, but you know, I did too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Sid.
[SPEAKER_02]: She got this sort of the mutant version of nice healthy childbearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of what David is trying to get for himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's trying to go back in time and take the shadow king out of him so that he'll
[SPEAKER_02]: get raised better he'll have a better childhood and then become a better adult who can fix things and that's even the same I mean Melanie told Sydney you can you know all these bad things don't have to be bad you can fix them using I don't think it's an accident that she used that word because it's parallel to what David is wanting and so it makes me I mean think it would be interesting if oh what if David's mind had been the one that had gone back and gotten raised by Oliver and Melanie
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it shows the difference between something like something therapeutic that comes from within and something where you're changing yourself for the better versus someone that's trying to control things that might hurt them and does that to chilling effect on the people around them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because yeah, I mean, that's that's been one of I think legions kind of areas of concern is like, you know, mental health and how do we perceive it and how seriously we take it and this is showing, you know, a kind of roundabout way because like, you know, Melanie and Oliver can be thought of as parental figures, but they can also kind of be
[SPEAKER_01]: thought of as like talk therapist right you know like it's how are you feeling we can't read your mind use your words like those are uh this is how we communicate to each like these are these that's it's also very foundational kind of like basic therapy work to that's it's being shown here
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, this astral plane episode was like the perfect therapy, you know, not just for Sid, but I mean, can you imagine if David had the same type of experience?
[SPEAKER_02]: And for all of us too.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I mean, it kind of mirrors like what Sidney was telling David, I think it was back in season one, which he says, who teaches us to be normal when we're one of a kind.
[SPEAKER_08]: Not, you know, it shows good parenting.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, good parents and kind of doing what Melanie and Oliver did in this episode for Sydney.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if Body was a mutant, that would make it even a lot harder.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's shooting lasers from his eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would make it a lot harder.
[SPEAKER_08]: And he's chasing the cat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, my turn, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, my number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cynthia, Cynthia is an example, is like this counter example of someone who didn't have parents there to protect her and the wolf says I found her wandering alone in the woods.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's lost her innocence, which is a win for this guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought that actress was really good because she seemed to really straddle that line between being really innocent and wide-eyed, but she already had lost her innocence, and she was very impressionable and attracted to these seductive ideas and things, but also attracted to the stability of a stable home, with stability of the stable home, with Oliver and Melanie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was interesting to see her the kind of a tug of war with her like a tug of war for her soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then at the end, Sid tells her, I know you had a bad deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think you don't deserve things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Love.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like David.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't feel like he deserves love.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so maybe this is a lesson for Sid, you know, because Cynthia chose to stay with the wolf that not everyone wants to be saved.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe that's trying to teach her that there could be a time to give up on David.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she already has though, but anyway, I just found a parallel between Cynthia and David.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my number two.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, she was Cynthia was one of David's mates and girls.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was her mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was wondering if she correlated with someone in the real world or was just this character they made up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So apparently when David probably vaporized or she ended up there, huh?
[SPEAKER_08]: either that or had to do with the drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't because I wondered about I wondered about that and I was going to look it up on IMDB and then I got distracted by shiny ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to continue developing your idea that you just talked about number two because I think
[SPEAKER_01]: What we saw here is essentially the finale of Legion, like, as an appractist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Sid has got this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause like, what you just said about her already kind of rejecting or giving up on David, but it came from a place of like hurt and like anger, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Versus giving up on someone out of a sense of, you know, like, like, I don't know what you mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Acceptance.
[SPEAKER_08]: Or self-preservation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's some people that are going to make bad choices and take responsibility for everyone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: You may do attempt to save them, but ultimately, some people don't want to be saved.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like this experience you had with the Wolf and Cynthia at the end is both to teach her that you do have to try.
[SPEAKER_01]: to save the people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can also let them go and I can really see her trying to make one last pitch to David.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to go back in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used to think that I would never be able to blah, blah, blah, but then I had this experience with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, David ultimately probably rejecting it and then she has to do what she has to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's that in like the whole last like fifteen minutes of this is ultimately kind of a hopeful, you know, kind of setting up the penultimate and ultimate episodes finale episodes of Legion because you also
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can't be the only one that thought Carrie was going to sacrifice herself to buy Sid and mail out the mail out or milk.
[SPEAKER_01]: The few seconds they need to get into the, the, the, the mission before the time demons catch, but she, she's victorious and she's able to join and that's kind of like the first win this team has had in the long while and she's like, I think we're going to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of like the first kind of really positive that we've had.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to have like actual a good guy, a good person that we've seen in a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm starting to feel good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about David, whether he dies the hero or has to be, you know, eliminated as a villain.
[SPEAKER_01]: But overall, like the universe of Legion, I think is in much better hands at the end of this episode than it has been at any other point in the series history.
[SPEAKER_02]: We might not be left feeling like shit after the final episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Holly's had three TV series endings with Fargo seasons one through three and I don't remember any of them, but do you guys and without spoiling anything if you do based on that, do you feel like we're in good hands for Legion?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: The worst you get is bittersweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always things that come to an inn and lives that are lost, but there's also new beginnings and hopeful new families being forged out of loss and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think he's more of an optimist than he's definitely more of an optimist than like a Quentin Tarantino type.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just fine blowing everything up, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that's the difference between Tarantino's parents and Halle's probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: Needless more time on the Astro plane.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I do worry.
[SPEAKER_08]: I, I'm an agreement.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think it's going to be a little bit more of a bittersweet type thing because I, he pushes it so hard that this is a tragedy.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I can't shake that.
[SPEAKER_08]: There is going to be some tragedy here, but I think it is going to be more of a bittersweet.
[SPEAKER_08]: There is going to be some tragedy, but there is going to be some hopefulness at the same time.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I don't know how it's going to end.
[SPEAKER_08]: I can't even begin to fathom to guess, because I wouldn't have guessed that this was
[SPEAKER_08]: you know, how Sydney, you know, because they kept saying Sydney's going to be the hero.
[SPEAKER_08]: Sydney's going to be the hero.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I don't know that I truly believe that she's the hero at this point.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I feel like this should really be David's story.
[SPEAKER_08]: I wish we could get a little bit more of realization for him and not so much for Sid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she's the Jesse Pinkman of this because you need someone to feel, you know, to start identifying with when your hero goes bad.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I mean, and I know David, I don't like calling him a villain.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think given more is the anti-hero.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know that he's gone full of villain just yet, but, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: When all your friends are vaporized around you, then get back to me.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's not a good look.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that, but I'm just... He has a time, time family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, what's your number one, Rima?
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, to kind of expand exactly what you guys were just saying is the lessons that were that were learned and that was for Sydney learning that you can try to save someone even if they don't want to be saved and you don't know really unless you try and I feel like she wasn't trying like she was like this what we've seen her so far is like she just comes in blasting with a shotgun
[SPEAKER_02]: She's not trying it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's trying to kill him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I'm saying she's just she's like no explanations.
[SPEAKER_08]: No going back or trying to go for treatment or trying to help David.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're just going to take him out.
[SPEAKER_08]: And that's all that we've seen of her so far.
[SPEAKER_08]: So to kind of see her turn that like now, you know, there seems to be, you know, and Carrie was saying, you know, there's something different about you.
[SPEAKER_08]: They did seem to be this
[SPEAKER_08]: calm and peaceful resolve on her face that she just and very determined like she knows now like something clicked in her head like she knows now what to do and now she knows that she has to at least try to save David and I think that she's learned that even if you try that you don't always win the good guys don't always win and I think that she's prepared for that and I think it was interesting how they also pointed out when Melanie said it's not them and us it's
[SPEAKER_08]: or um or them or us and us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not right us or them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's us and them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love that, but I wonder it seems like every word counts so that should somehow play out in the next two episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why I thought to
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, and I like how they didn't just have this switch in this realization for her come out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_08]: This actually felt earned.
[SPEAKER_08]: I know a lot of people, you know, I read some negativity about this episode and I see that.
[SPEAKER_08]: I see that side of things and I know I was confused to for like the first thirty to forty minutes of the entire episode of
[SPEAKER_08]: What are they trying to say here and what's the purpose of all of this and it wasn't till later that it It made sense and I felt like that little click.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I felt like I had that click But it it felt earned like we're not just gonna have this you know Sydney going from where we saw her from season two and here in season three up to this point And then I've said she has a switch into being some type of hero This felt more earned and and I liked that but
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe she'll approach it, yeah, and healthier way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I, yeah, I still feel I hope that they acknowledge that the shadow king was and they're mucking around with things and manipulating and trying to convince people of things and, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: that that affected the way things played out and you're right this whole season Melanie's just trying to assassinate David and try to trick him and not at all a Sydney gym and Christmas and so anyway um Melanie's on the after playing have a great time so yeah I maybe you're right maybe now that she's in a healthier mindset that she can approach him from more holistic point of view or something
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, well, and I mean, she got a taste of what kind of what it was like in the astral plane.
[SPEAKER_08]: The, you know, big bad wolf is in there trying to screw things up and mess things up kind of like for, did with David.
[SPEAKER_08]: So she got a little bit of a taste of that in a little bit of understanding what it was like for David that maybe that's what helps some of that empathy.
[SPEAKER_08]: because it's seeing, and it was interesting to know that her whole power was being able to inhabit and switch bodies with people, but yet didn't give her any empathy for what that person went through.
[SPEAKER_08]: She just had this disconnect, and this, you know, this not me, this me, but not me version.
[SPEAKER_08]: But she was never able to empathize with that person that she was inhabiting.
[SPEAKER_08]: So it was interesting that this is what it took for her to learn that lesson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's just a shift in perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's seen this as a curse, but empathy is a very powerful thing in the real world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our world will look a lot different if we could perfectly empathize with our neighbors.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Sid is actually one of the few people that can walk in another person's shoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're framing her power that way might help her re-contextualize it and feel more empowered.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I just thought the whole lesson was really good and that it's you know, I think the importance of trying to do good and help others even if you don't do it because it's going to make you feel better.
[SPEAKER_08]: You do it because it's the right thing to do and I think that was just a good lesson.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I enjoyed all of that.
[SPEAKER_08]: So that's that's my number one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, mine is all about the parenting lessons and viewpoint of this episode, which I think Aeron covered really well in his point.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's move on to notes, Aeron and any notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, oh, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I have thought, I've said, I've just kind of a long-term bugaboo on the bald move side, but like me kind of like, what is with all the incest porn?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and I blame Game of Thrones, but like it, I laughed out loud when Germaine Climit had the line.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the new norm like stepmother porn.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh, wasn't that, uh, Jason Monsucas?
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was, I thought it was Germain Climit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, very surprising, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, because FX gun does this stuff from time to time, but dropping, there was a lot of vulgarity and super adult stuff in that particular rap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm slapping people with this cock, but that particular line about the Steppmont port is just like, yeah, do what this, I guess it is the new norm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was the underneath calling your partner, Daddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm the supine Lupine, my libita kills sunshine and moody and spicy like a fine ass toilet wine on the new norm like stepmother porn.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, well, yeah, I guess it sounds more big bad wolf, but you know, Oliver was dropping soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: He was.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the one who wanted to show off his cock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought that was, I mean, I didn't enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just something I thought it was funny because like maybe Holly and I are in the same page.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same page global.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like how he won that rap battle was basically by saying this is because I had a healthy upbringing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm loved and you're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I people love me and no one loves you and that was almost the right it's something almost the killed him or at least he famed it to get Cynthia's support right I just kind of like again going back to the big bad wolf character I just love how like playful in the beginning he was about you know have you told about the holocaust what about her piece you know and then the way he kind of like a death is scary huh and sits like not just nature well, yeah, but kids die too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh and parents just
[SPEAKER_01]: The tone of voice was very Mr. Rogers and the things he was talking about was very not Mr. Rogers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I really liked that that particular detail.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like he looks familiar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never I don't think I've ever seen him in anything except I looked it up and he's on the good place Darcy's rebound boyfriend that she created
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's also he was a he was in I think he's yeah because he's kind of a fixture on those Michael Schuere He was in Parks and Rec I think wasn't he wasn't he also on the office?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know he was like Lady Dynamite's therapist and the different episodes of Lady Dynamite.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just really good at playing a smug asshole I'm sure he's nothing like that in real life
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then I guess the other thing we haven't talked about is the two carries.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, it's like, you know, it's always been an emotional when they were like rebound like this, but the sacrifice that the, you know, the male outer milk made for the female outer milk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, you know, them selling all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was, that was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then again, them snatching.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it's like, again,
[SPEAKER_01]: third episode from the end, people probably start dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they've kind of foreshadowed her death several times this season, sometimes by quite literally killing her and an alternate dimension or time of reality.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was remotely prepared to see her go and then she won.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, well, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I thought he was going to die when they were saying negotiating, not to go shady, but talking, okay, that's going to be necessary for me to come back into you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can take on my wounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: for a second there, I thought because it was such a way to think that they were talking about his death.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and they had the moment just before the more hopeful moment where all seemed lost, like, you know, when carries I did we lose and carries, like, I think I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And are we just going to vanish when he fixes things and kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: that, that, that little exercise, yeah, hopelessness of just, you know, you truly, you got, you got beat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like when Thanos snapped everybody, you know, it's like, this is, this is just bad news all around.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a little bit of, a little bit of note of hope by the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's about, that's about all I had.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I think that was a good classic show of love and empathy right there.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, if she'd really bothered to kind of look, that's perfect right there with the two carries and how he takes on her wounds and pain knowing very well what it's going to do to him and it could cripple him and completely take him out of commission, but he just does it because of love.
[SPEAKER_08]: So that was just another quick little display of what we have in this episode, so I like that.
[SPEAKER_08]: I love German climate.
[SPEAKER_08]: Again, it's so good to see him and Jean Smart again in these episodes.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I really just want him to give me a moral speech every day for the rest of my life.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's like the Morgan Freeman for me, just narrating things.
[SPEAKER_08]: I could listen to him all day.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think he's got a lovely voice and a lovely manner of speaking.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I would not have been disappointed if in this episode if all of her had given Sid the sex talk by way of singing business time to her.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think that would have been really cool.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think that you just need to play your kids that song and throw some condoms on the bed and let just things happen.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if you guys gave too much thought about season one episode for Oliver's speech in the beginning, the cold open when he talks a lot.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's also what, yeah, when he talks about fear and empathy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, no, no, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, a season one episode before, he says, a great philosopher once wrote, in times of peace, the world like man attacks himself.
[SPEAKER_08]: This is the root of all of our problems.
[SPEAKER_08]: And by this, I mean, we, we're the root of all of our problems.
[SPEAKER_08]: Our confusion, our anger, our fear of things we don't understand.
[SPEAKER_08]: Violence, in other words, is ignorance.
[SPEAKER_08]: Figure your shit out.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's my, what I'd say.
[SPEAKER_08]: There are two kinds of stories we tell our children.
[SPEAKER_08]: The first kind, once upon a time, there was a fuzzy little rabbit named Frizzi Top, who went on a quantum fun adventure only to face a big setback.
[SPEAKER_08]: which she overcame through perseverance and by being adorable.
[SPEAKER_08]: This kind of story teaches empathy.
[SPEAKER_08]: Put yourself in frizzy tops, shoes, and other words.
[SPEAKER_08]: The other kind, all over Anthony Bird, if you get too close to that ocean, you'll be sucked into the sea and drowned.
[SPEAKER_08]: This kind of story teaches them fear.
[SPEAKER_08]: And for the rest of their lives, these two stories compete.
[SPEAKER_08]: Empathy and fear.
[SPEAKER_08]: And so I bring you tonight's play.
[SPEAKER_08]: I work in five acts about a fuzzy little bunny who got too close to the ocean and what happens next.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I thought that was a, I don't know, I feel like that had a lot to do kind of starting us off.
[SPEAKER_08]: We didn't quite maybe understand it at that point, but I thought it was kind of leading us to where we are now.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I think it's just brilliance on no Holley's part that he's got all this kind of figured out.
[SPEAKER_08]: I love the line.
[SPEAKER_08]: Climidia is kind of like a cold except for your vagina.
[SPEAKER_08]: That was a good buzzer weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the word before beautiful.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'd cut a description for that and that yep, it's all I got
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we cut all my accepts.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really sure why this time door is still there opening and closing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Carrie says it's doing that because the time meters are back and I'm like, oh, and then I'm like, wait, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why does that have anything to do with anything?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, fine, it's just something we have to accept, but I didn't really understand it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I take it by your silence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was thinking to like, because I had a whole bunch of, like, I, when I, when I, when I first started kind of opening clothes, I opened clothes, and I thought it's just like, well, they just finally worn it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, they, they've worn a whole through the fabric at that space of time, and it's just kind of like, flapping in the breeze there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess also if like the time demons are all worked up, maybe that they're doing something to hold it open.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then it closes when they go through I think.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, that maybe they don't have the ability to open and close it themselves like if they get through it just stays open.
[SPEAKER_08]: So they can get back I guess to the hallway.
[SPEAKER_01]: maybe this is because of carry because like I still don't understand how David got through the time portal that is fancy wrist rot watch maybe this is a result of them going through the wrist or you know there's also the idea that maybe the shadow king stuck in the time between the time was using some influence to keep this open for you know because I I've all I've haven't moved off my theory that he's manipulating everything to his own ends
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same.
[SPEAKER_01]: He might need some allies to do whatever, you know, because obviously he can't be just stuck in time for a rest of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like maybe he's using his power and influence to keep that open and as soon as they walk through, he's like, woo, I can, I can let it, let it go.
[SPEAKER_08]: Did anyone notice if the wrist that Sydney put the watch on so she could go through the time door was the same arm that she lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been a good one that that would have been good to check but no I did not.
[SPEAKER_08]: I feel like it was her, I feel like it was her left hand, or left wrist that she put it on, and that's arm that she was missing.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I'd have to go back and verify.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I feel like when I was noticing her putting that on, and like they made it an effort to really show where she was, which arm she was putting that on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's check.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's coming up next week or the next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the week after.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we're back at its time for the news.
[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, so a couple items this week in the news, first one that we have is from Indie Wire.
[SPEAKER_08]: This was an interview with Jamaing Clement and Noah Holly.
[SPEAKER_08]: They talk a little bit about the rap sequence.
[SPEAKER_08]: So we start off, I really liked that about the show that it can almost change genre even within the episode a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_08]: Jamaing Clement said, it's always great turning up and seeing what crazy stuff they've built or the ideas that are thrown around.
[SPEAKER_08]: Whether it's David leading a jubilant dancing sequence joined by inmates in an insane asylum
[SPEAKER_08]: or squaring off with a mall for Rook in a season two dance battle, writer showrunner Noah Holley is always looking for ways to incorporate music into his not your everyday superhero story.
[SPEAKER_08]: There are only so many ways you can punch someone, Clement said, so Holley tries different things to have an original confrontation in each episode.
[SPEAKER_08]: It wasn't my play in Holly said I didn't go into the script with that idea for a rap battle.
[SPEAKER_08]: I just started thinking about what that battle should be and thought, well, it's domain.
[SPEAKER_08]: I would be depriving his fans and my audience of a golden opportunity if I didn't take this seriously.
[SPEAKER_08]: This particular confrontation was set up by Holly's unique take on the episode.
[SPEAKER_08]: I always had this idea that at a certain point in the story, David fractures Sid's mind, and that we would do an episode with her as a young girl, where she's nursed back to health with Germaine and Jean Smart, but it didn't know what that meant, Holly said.
[SPEAKER_08]: When he sat down to write the episode, Holly said it just turned out to be this modern riff on fairy tales, but it also explores a theme prevalent in the final season if not the series overall about a meditation on how parenting can affect a child's life.
[SPEAKER_08]: Clement said, it's tackling a really big subject, nature versus nurture.
[SPEAKER_08]: The idea that if you had a different childhood, would you approach things differently?
[SPEAKER_08]: How would it change you?
[SPEAKER_08]: But again, because it's Legion, we want to play with it in a fun and inventive way.
[SPEAKER_08]: Holly said, we introduced this big bad wolf character whose goal is not to eat this baby, but he wants to tell her things about the world before she's ready.
[SPEAKER_08]: He wants her to grow up too fast, basically.
[SPEAKER_08]: And ultimately, we know that Germaine is on a showdown with this character, and there has to be a conflict between them to resolve it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Enter the rat battle.
[SPEAKER_08]: Holly wrote the lyrics for each character himself, which started as a placeholder, so anyone reading the script would understand what's happening.
[SPEAKER_08]: But he soon built them into savvy, shifting lyrics to both actors ended up keeping.
[SPEAKER_08]: I assumed a germane might say, oh, I don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_08]: Holly said, but he did it happily and had no real complaints.
[SPEAKER_08]: I said, if you want to rewrite this at all, feel free.
[SPEAKER_08]: He changed very little, we filmed it, and it's one of my favorite things ever.
[SPEAKER_08]: Having written many televised songs that was a different approach to the song Clement said, I don't really take myself seriously as a musician.
[SPEAKER_08]: Definitely not as a rapper, so Jason and I were both a little nervous about it.
[SPEAKER_08]: But then we came to film it.
[SPEAKER_08]: It felt a lot better than it did reading it.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was really fun.
[SPEAKER_08]: We had a day of doing that scene and I didn't get bored with it at all.
[SPEAKER_08]: I enjoyed it every time.
[SPEAKER_08]: Clemente, who didn't know he was going to be in the season until he got the call for this episode, said he hadn't watched the scene yet, but over the years he's come to enjoy Legion like everyone else as a viewer, more than a part of it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Even writering for the final season, which now only has two episodes left.
[SPEAKER_08]: He stopped asking questions about where the show was going or what the ending was, preferring to be surprised by the final cut.
[SPEAKER_08]: He says, I'm going to miss that about the show.
[SPEAKER_08]: He never knew what it would be.
[SPEAKER_01]: imagine like, you know, being a fan of Legion and you get called into you to participate in this one episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, go back home.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get to see what this all looks like five months now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what so so many more questions and answers, especially on a show like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_08]: I would die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: All they'd have to do is just say, do you want to be in Legion?
[SPEAKER_08]: And I don't even care what it is.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't care what the role is.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't care if I'm just one of the drugies in the background smoking on something blue.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'll even suck in a pig's teeth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was about to ask you who you suck on a pig's teeth, the size of a Volkswagen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So proud of you, Rewee.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I was on the walking dead, I- Oh, you're on the walking dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was in the final scene in season two, and all the walkers stormed her shuls farm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so on set, I was just sort of looking around because we hadn't seen up through the mid-season finale yet, and I'm like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Where's Geoffrey Demund?
[SPEAKER_02]: Where's John Burnthall?
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I had a little more context in that show is not as nearly as hard to figure out as legion, but... Yeah, that's gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine a person's farm was the astral plane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a giant pig.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're sucking on the teeth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The RV represented your childhood.
[SPEAKER_08]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was almost like the astral plane with unlimited ammo for hercial shotgun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's see that was that's we've all that's the new lens which to understand the walking dead.
[SPEAKER_08]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_08]: One other quick item that we have from News twenty four this was just I didn't put the whole interview on here, but I thought this was really interesting.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was an interview with Noah Hawley on what he says about the show coming to an end.
[SPEAKER_08]: He says, I feel good about it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know how to tell a story that doesn't have an ending because so much of the meaning of the story comes from the ending.
[SPEAKER_08]: Maybe it's my training as a novelist or the idea of fargo being a tragedy, a tragedy with a happy ending but still a tragedy in order to make something tragic the rules are different than straight drama.
[SPEAKER_08]: Some of it is that you have to know what the ultimate tragedy is in order to build steps into it.
[SPEAKER_08]: So looking at this, I always felt like, here's the problem.
[SPEAKER_08]: You have a guy whose powers could make him very dangerous and he meets a girl.
[SPEAKER_08]: And she has her own story and her own powers, and she's going to bend him towards goodness, but if the love story doesn't work out, then the only thing that is really holding him to this world is gone, and then his negative feelings can come out, and that's a fine enough story for me.
[SPEAKER_08]: Once you resolve that, the story is done.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's not my instinct to then come up with a new story for those characters.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's been odd enough for me to do three seasons.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm just not trying to do that.
[SPEAKER_08]: But these are sort of three chapters of a complete story.
[SPEAKER_08]: I feel like it ends in a very satisfying way that is true to its conception.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need more and more of that.
[SPEAKER_08]: I know.
[SPEAKER_08]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's why I love him so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: One of the reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Many series are good.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's come out that Netflix kind of does a season shows as either a very short term or no reason to go beyond three or seasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some people see that as a weakness, but I'm like, you know, that's not so bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I hate when people like, hey, if you check that something out look at it and it's on its fifth season, I'm like, well, that means I'll never watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen super natural.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is it, like, twenty five seasons?
[SPEAKER_02]: God, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the only problem my Netflix is when they do that and they forget to tell the creators Wow, yeah Guess what that was your last season Okay, let's move on to mental notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just have a couple this week from John Hoskins He writes what a splendid episode I don't think the astral visit retcon Sid's childhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a way to heal her mind
[SPEAKER_02]: It gave her a chance to resolve her childhood trauma and prepare her for the upcoming conflict.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it gave us an excuse for an epic rap battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think like we were saying, it's maybe a little bit of both.
[SPEAKER_02]: She probably came out of the whole thing better than she went in as far as before David messed with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: She ended up better than before that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a call from Steve Brown.
[SPEAKER_00]: the old Legion cast a Ron Jason and Rima this is Steve and just a few notes for chapter twenty five.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't love Jason that's just one of my favorites as the wolf that was great in the whole their deal life was interesting that Oliver found Sid you know in the actual plane and
[SPEAKER_00]: basically the assumption I have anyways that he changed everything just so he could get her where she needed to be to go back and loved the stop fighting from carry and then female carry say
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like me that say stop nerdy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I laughed at that and this will have to return of Jimmy and Gene Smart that was it was so great You know this might be the only episode, but still it was really really cool to see them back and
[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely broke my heart seeing carrying carry when they switched places and he had to take on her injuries and there was a question not only last week or previous years and questions about Amber mid-bunders acting but man it was really good in that scene there I thought so just my thoughts talk to you later
[SPEAKER_00]: two more things before I forget.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the line from Oliver about not everyone wants to be saved?
[SPEAKER_00]: You think that's some foreshadowing to David's fate at the end of the series?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, did you see the commercials for American Horror Story, my date for?
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I haven't watched that show in several seasons because it just got too gory for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm intrigued about this new
[SPEAKER_00]: season and may at least tune in in September to see what's like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not you later.
[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen any of those trailers but I'm excited about the idea.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watch this real time with all the commercials the first time I watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of really I mean it's
[SPEAKER_01]: So sets out I've been covering American horror stories since I think season three and it's like we joke cuz like we're we're called the the show undertakers by the bald community because we have a bad history of starting up a show and then it's immediately canceled like we did that with pretty dreadful banshee true blood and this is the one show that we just can't use our powers
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it gets renewed for like three years at a time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is, it's, I don't know, it's like some, some seasons are good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some seasons are bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're, you know, they're uneven, but it's a lot of can't be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you can't take it more seriously than Ryan Murphy does, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, I love the American Horror Stories.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'll be tuning in and I'm all about the eighties.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, horror slash or films, you know, from the eighties.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I think it'll be fun.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like I said, you can't take it too seriously.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's all bit definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys do, do you guys do a show on the American home?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we never have Reba.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to get you.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to get you on the American Horror Story Five episode.
[SPEAKER_08]: I would love to.
[SPEAKER_08]: That would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like I said, I'm a big fan.
[SPEAKER_08]: I've seen all of them except for Golly.
[SPEAKER_08]: What was the, oh gosh, the cult.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's the one that I missed and which shocking because I love cults.
[SPEAKER_08]: I love hearing and whatever about cults and I'm fascinated.
[SPEAKER_08]: So it's funny how that's the one that I missed.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, that'd be great.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, I saw that commercial they had.
[SPEAKER_08]: Also, there was an Olive Garden commercial that was on you looked didn't look too bad.
[SPEAKER_08]: They kept telling me again.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, go watch the commercial too.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I watch it live.
[SPEAKER_08]: But yeah, what was his other question?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's what we thought we were shadowing.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think so maybe I don't think it's gonna end well, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm trying to, I don't think it's gonna end in a positive way, but I think that I don't know that he'll turn away from her the way.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't think he'll turn away from her like we saw it with Cynthia, but I don't think he'll turn good.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know, maybe he wants to be saved.
[SPEAKER_08]: We'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: my best guess is he redeems himself but he dies and maybe will understand to truly the person that doesn't want help would be the shadow king yeah and he's the one that that that ends up being you know utterly utterly destroyed decimated the race from natural plan I'm taking the same
[SPEAKER_08]: But you say it better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even want to guess at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two more episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's almost like it's just two more episodes left.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just let her ride.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, that is our show episode twenty five thanks for listening everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to get in touch with us, you can email or send a voice message to us at Legion at podcastica.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got two more chances.
[SPEAKER_08]: And you can find us on the web at facebook.com slash Legion pod.
[SPEAKER_01]: And be sure to check out our other shows at baldmove.com and podcastica.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, that's our show.
[SPEAKER_08]: Thanks for listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: See everybody.
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[SPEAKER_04]: You're a shitty little bastard.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the local robot when your name is me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here is my lab.
[SPEAKER_03]: Come take a seat.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got us by direction like a daddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been time holding you tight and reading what's upon our heat.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a hepatitis outbreak.
[SPEAKER_03]: Had a homeless and timid.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm real in real.
[SPEAKER_03]: I only got bad news.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get out of my way cause I win in you lose.
[SPEAKER_04]: You skinned the boy in your crying boohoo, because you know deep inside that nobody loves you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got family and friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: I give money to charity.
[SPEAKER_04]: Every year on my birthday, people send me cards and letters.
[SPEAKER_04]: My mom and dad still write to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Little old ladies still smile at me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Puppies aren't afraid of me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I get more hugs than hate, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I go to bed happy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can you say that?
[SPEAKER_04]: You said, sad, man.