[SPEAKER_03]: David?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: David isn't here right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had to go someplace quiet.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're in charge now.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what we have to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Revenge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Justice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Justice.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're here for justice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you couldn't protect us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Me, Daddy, the lever.
[SPEAKER_03]: The great abandoner who put a monster in our head and threw us away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Adoption betrayal.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: David's head.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Daddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Daddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Daddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Daddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Daddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Daddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Daddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Daddy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Daddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Daddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Daddy
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to our podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Jason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm Rima.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm Aeron.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the Legion podcast episode twenty six.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's our top three highlights for Legion season three episode seven chapter twenty six.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're almost done.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got one more left.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh sad sad sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about you, Aaron?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there's really nothing like this on television, let alone in the superhero space and it's been a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I guess I always would rather have a well-crafted story in the maybe a little too soon than a show stretched out beyond recognition.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's sad, but also I think they're being wise.
[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird to doing a podcast on a show when it ends.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit of a different quality.
[SPEAKER_02]: You probably ended a bunch of shows, huh?
[SPEAKER_06]: I have, I'm actually really into them.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I took, I mean, my podcast drove them through.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the other thing is knowing that like, I'll never revisit this feed again.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a ghost feed.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the end of a relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was really fun to know you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good while it lasted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Had a good ride.
[SPEAKER_06]: Breaking goods at Hot Girl.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just don't call it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might go back on my ass versus evil dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to go see the evil dead musical and get blood splattered on us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we might do an extra one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you have to have to do that direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do they hand out like those like ponchos like when you were at a?
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's the hands of the plastic that they drape over the front row or something?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's another show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get into this show chapter twenty six.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you guys like it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Rima.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a pretty good build up for the finale.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do worry a little bit about how much more we have left to go with just one episode like tying everything up and I know that we probably won't get all of the answers to questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there are still some little things out there dangling that are just going to be left hanging there and I'm okay with that but I still feel like there's kind of a lot happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: for one hour of television because I think I looked it up and I'm pretty sure it is going to be one hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be, you know, to extend it out and move it to part.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I, you know, I wonder, I mean, I have faith, but I just, like, wow, how's he going to get all of that?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I, I like this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a really good build up and certainly left you hanging there at the end as to what comes next.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was thinking similar like it's become more and more clear that the major theme of this show is like the impact of parenting and a huge hole is we don't even know who raised the main character like they're just the ciphers and I'm wondering if we're gonna get that next episode, I really hope so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's important.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, would you think everyone
[SPEAKER_06]: I, yeah, I liked it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want echo some of the same concerns I have that Rima has the fact that like feels like there is so much left to go and also there's a few things in this episode where I just straight up don't understand what happened or how the thing that happened happened.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like there's a couple points where I don't mean like well, it's like it's not literally true like these people are having a wrap battle and you understand but like I like Sid hit a time demon with a hammer and it died like what?
[SPEAKER_06]: How did that, you know, so there's a couple things like that that could pay off next episode, but also could maybe be signs that there's some shortcuts taken to bring this in in three seasons.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I was going to say I have faith in Noahali and there's nothing that can happen in this next episode that would make me think this journey is not worth taking.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, no, there's a couple of things where it's like, man, I wish this was a little bit more tethered to reality.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I could reliably make guesses and predictions on what was going to happen for a moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if it was just an hour of David's face?
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you still feel like the journey with it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this isn't like a game of thrones where this last entire half this last time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is much more journey and if we get to a destination that's recognizable and comprehensible from a human frame point I'll be delighted Okay, let's get into our top three Rima number three
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I want to talk a little bit about Sid and the Timeline, so that kind of talking a little bit about what you brought up there, A-Ran, and how she was able to overcome a time demon they didn't seem that easy to take over.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like David was the only one that was able to have any effect on them whatsoever, so it was kind of interesting she was able when I guess
[SPEAKER_01]: Carrie was also able to take a couple out, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the other episodes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she did take one out last episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think we're going to win.
[SPEAKER_06]: So maybe I just think the show power of positive thinking.
[SPEAKER_02]: They take some inspiration from like Looney Tunes or Tom and Jerry sometimes on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the hook that dragged the dude off a few weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: She hit him and then
[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like he fell but they didn't look down or anything and I think it just disappeared but it was I do feel like it was just like I don't think they're gonna follow up on him next week
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it's because they're getting more used to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if they catch them off guard or something, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just because you can hit one with a hammer, there could be an infinite number of them if they just keep multiplying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which they look like they were popping out of the furnace like a clown car.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that I think would be a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm curious what you guys would have thought, and if I'm the only one that thinks that
[SPEAKER_01]: pre-reborn Sydney would have killed baby David like before absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a good chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that was probably the whole point of last week is that she approached this whole thing with a new mindset, then what she would have
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, while I'm glad I wasn't alone thinking so, and yeah, that was probably the whole point of what it was that she went through.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, her speech to Gabrielle when she was outside chopping wood and she's telling Gabrielle that you have to love him, making Bill safe, and that the world depends on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that was such a heavy thing to say for anyone, just any normal person, but she has to know Gabrielle's struggling with mental illness and even I think possibly postpartum depression and what she says to her seems as effective as telling a depressed person, they should just be happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, oh, just it's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Smile.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll be fine or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, no pressure.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you know, you're your son in the world basically depends on how much you love this kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she seemed like she wanted to, but I really had no confidence that she has the capability to do like, well, when she, I mean, that was, that was the gut punch that scene when Gabrielle's like, you know, I understand.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she's like,
[SPEAKER_06]: Are you really here?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I think Sid didn't realize, oh god.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because there's the thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think you're exactly right, Raymond.
[SPEAKER_06]: She did nothing to advance her cause.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I'm like, what would you say to a person like Gabriel in like maybe thirty minutes of contact you're gonna have before we get ripped back through to space time?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, it's almost like they're trying to, I think what they're trying to do is set this dichotomy between, um,
[SPEAKER_06]: David trying to go back and fix things versus her trying to go back and fix things and how it just is not possible.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I don't think there's any way to save David the way things are going down right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they're laying the foundation for why David did end up getting put up for adoption or whatever happened because if you put all this pressure on Gabrielle who
[SPEAKER_02]: has had all this past drama and just I don't think has the psychological resources to be the kind of loving parent that says asking her to be that she might just go well I can't do it so let me find somebody who who can so maybe we'll see that next week.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I'm wondering how Charles gets boxed out of that situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he just the absent father or what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it really does seem like they're painting him as the healthy good guy, but he has gone a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm wondering to what role he's going to play.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I just think maybe I mean, she said, well, I'll stay here because, you know, I know now.
[SPEAKER_01]: When she had her second childhood when she's telling Carrie about her experience and this is what needs to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she acts like that she's gonna stay there like is this what's gonna happen like she's like I don't know if if something is gonna happen to present David because he can't be saved But she can stay there and make sure he is raised with the love that he needs like she was and then they can change things and
[SPEAKER_01]: He can grow up to be someone different and be in a stable environment and feel safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's going to be as mom.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm wondering if it's going to, if it will change things, that that's the way it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have never seen his parents, so that might be why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, for Rook, really, he still has to be stopped though from entering his mind, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two prongs here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's three.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's fruit being in there, fucking with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's his family's history of mental illness, which could be a genetic component.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's his nurturing, you know, how he's raised.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's he's got all three of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can get rid of the fruit part and the potentially that like be repaired to like Sid was.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that I don't know about the genetic part though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I mean, maybe if he has the stability and the resources to, you know, get the help or whatever to like manage his illness, yeah, he can, you know, at least not become someone who, you know, isn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think that if you eliminate for Rook and you give him a safe loving environment and give him resources in the love that he needs, you know, to overcome and hopefully live and manage his mental illness, you know, he wouldn't become who he is today.
[SPEAKER_01]: assuming he even has it just because it's in the face doesn't necessarily but yeah well I mean I feel like it's a with all of his his religion you know that I mean it feels like he has some personality we don't even have a total handle on that either like I was he hiding them from professor X wineette just say yeah look this is my situation because of all this shit and I want to get rid of it you know I don't know I don't know if it was like a trust thing like maybe he felt like he is dad wouldn't trust him or think he was
[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to seem really together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think he could control.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, some of those personalities were really twisted and typical for two Charles being alive.
[SPEAKER_06]: They wanted his blood.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think the David tried to lock them away because he knew he couldn't control them.
[SPEAKER_06]: The best he could do is muslim for a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't necessarily get that that they would be violent towards him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying no, but was it just because they were all just saying daddy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you just think that some of that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's like when he said we are here to get revenge against daddy and then the guy's like no justice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, right justice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, but like the way the look in his eye and just what he did, just there was a lot of minutes, you know?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That like, uh, I was just asking.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not Professor Axx.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't call him out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes like, oh wait, you're the one that abandoned us.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's like, are you a daddy of the abandoned there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: I definitely can see him calling the Shadow King Daddy too.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I think in this instance, he was directly referring to Charles.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I can see you're saying that you thought that he was referring to the Shadow King as Daddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not even sure he, I do know that he said, we need to get revenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's just us.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought,
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't realize that he said daddy in that part of it, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought, yeah, that he was talking about the shadow king, but they definitely were resentful towards Charles the abandoner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have a pull that piece.
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks, Charles looks at him and he's like, David, because he comes through the journey says daddy, is that you?
[SPEAKER_01]: David?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, David isn't here right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had to go play.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had to go someplace quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in charge now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what we have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, no, he says revenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: No justice, right, justice, we're here for justice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says because you couldn't protect us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, you could.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says you can protect us.
[SPEAKER_01]: He calls him the lever with a great abandon or who put a monster in our head and then threw us away adoption betrayal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's, um, I don't know if he's aggressive to him, but he's definitely the one that outspoken, I guess, personality that's, you know, um, has the big daddy issues, I guess.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so it seems like they were, they came in the head to steam about the shadow king, but then they started talking themselves.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I just felt like that towards the end that Charles definitely felt threatened because he did the mental repulsion and escape from the head.
[SPEAKER_02]: But to me, the vibe that they were giving off was more like desperate to fill this void, like they were suffocating him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Daddy, daddy, daddy, almost like the cult members do with David when they crowd around and he just wants to push him off, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the look on Charles's face is all the different David started coming through the doors and he's just like, oh gosh, he's got problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wasn't ready for one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's let's go to our next one, Aeron number three.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, yeah, I want to kind of like continue to pivot along some of the stuff the Remus talking about there and talking about the philosophy of SIDS, like, or moral and ethical framework for going back and fixing time because it seems to me that when the show was portraying David as going back to chose childhood to try to shield him from the influence of the shadow king, that was interpreted by all as a immoral action, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess so, but yeah, it seems really hypocritical to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: But now like so like I'm I'm wondering if like this is literally some kind of consent thing where like if Sid is on board with the idea of going back to save David then it's okay or is it like is it is this is like it was like
[SPEAKER_06]: The her selflessness in the act because we know that if they pull this off and I'm surprised no one like one of the carries in Colorado, but if they pull this off it stands a reason that they'll stop existing or at least in the forms that they were.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we're still talking about like some kind of, you know, genocide of a particular type of consciousness.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's like his adult cages because their motives are pure where David's motives are selfish.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, another aspect might also be that since David is focused on the shadow king, they feel like he's not taking responsibility that he's a victim blaming someone else where she's like into this whole repairing thing where it's working on him versus some outside influence.
[SPEAKER_06]: but she's still like talking about like you know like keep him say it's keep him safe from the monsters and yeah I mean but that kind of gets I guess to the core of like you know what what are they trying to do um what I'm surprised to carry didn't have an opinion on it and also that I'm not sure I buy the equivalence because Sid didn't
[SPEAKER_06]: wasn't really raised a whole second childhood, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like that's essentially like, like, I don't know, maybe it is, but it seemed like it was analogous to like some kind of form of like really intense talk therapy, you know, like regression therapy, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, so like, why couldn't we just do that with David?
[SPEAKER_06]: Why do we have to go back and if that's the answer, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Could we like put him in Stasis field, get Oliver out of the freezing tank, have him and Melanie raise him in the astral plane in twenty minutes and then see how it goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to start charging like, you know, I paid ten thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: As I was watching this episode a lot, it's like a lot of these really cool ideas that they've established in the season and they've all been really cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're starting to feel like they're kind of grinding because it's kind of like how I felt about the the latest Star Wars movie.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, you know, when they hiper space to start, you know, one ship into another and it was like this ultimate beatable weapon I'm like, well, shit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, every space battle has to do this or
[SPEAKER_06]: you know like you can't develop a old the super weapon and then say oh it's only so like I don't know why they couldn't just do that why everything has to be this apocalyptic and right it's it's the system it's kind of what um walking dead does a lot where
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll go with what they think is most cool dramatically or interesting or whatever, but doesn't logically make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is one of those cases because they might not want to repeat themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then again, maybe we will see that next week I kind of doubt it, but it's not a zero percent chance.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I say, I think it would be really cool because I say all this just to set it like some stakes in my mind.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it'd be really cool if they actually, that's part of what they're saying that like you can't go back and change the past and make things better for yourself or for anyone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like you can't go back and save them from themselves, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: The only thing you can do is start putting one foot in front of me together, like in here and now, like moving forward.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's a kind of like,
[SPEAKER_06]: I actually would like that message.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that would be a really cool message for the show to solve because the other thing is they's literally fantasy thinking and if it brings it back to like this being a lack of meditation on mental illness, man, that's about the best advice you can give somebody like stop looking back into past, focus on
[SPEAKER_02]: Directing your steps better in the in the here and now and they said already said the opposite of that this episode she's was telling I think every ill it's too late for him now But as a right or maybe she's telling carry that when they were having the whole would you kill it or debate but um yeah, so that was the kind of the opposite of what you're saying and I agree with you
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's kind of cool because I can see also if you think about this in terms of last week's episode two that like it could be that she's just wrong that like she thinks this is the one lesson but what she's really what what lesson really applies here is the lesson of like letting go or you know you try to help somebody there.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I don't know how that applies to a you know mutant that's as powerful as David.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think about or the world's gonna die.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, it's like it's it's you know, it's one thing if it's your sister who's hooked on you know, it has a drug addiction and you know, she's keeps on self-destructing you try to get him help try to get him like, you know, it's one thing to be like, well, I don't know, it's like I thought some prayers for and I'm always going to love her, but I can't fix her.
[SPEAKER_06]: If she could explode the world of their mind, it's a little bit, you know, it's even higher stakes.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I mean... Not that a family member addicted to drugs is already absurdly high stakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But David has to, like, want, like, they can't, I feel like they've, at least Sidney has tried reaching out to him and talking to him and, and she's kind of established that he is too far gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, David doesn't believe that he really needs to be fixed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if people don't recognize that they have a problem, they're not going to be willing to say, oh, yeah, you know what, that'd be good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just put me in an ice box and send me to the astral plane, let, you know, them raise me as a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we can do it that way, like Sid was.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he has to want to do it, and I don't think he thinks that that's the solution, because he doesn't think that there's, you know, he doesn't think, I don't think, I mean, he doesn't know about that yet, I guess if that's, you know, he doesn't know what Sid has been through, so he doesn't know that I guess can even happen or even thought about that, but he's so set, I think, on, you know, he has to go back and change the past that
[SPEAKER_01]: you know he has to be a willing participant in that and I think that's you know part of it and I don't think that Sid is a hundred percent convinced that if she stays in raises David like she was raised in her second childhood that that will save the world or even save David but she that's her way of trying
[SPEAKER_01]: you know she says when it when carries like well he could still grow up and you know be that person she's like yeah maybe but we have it's like you know I have to try you can't say everyone but I have to try and I think that she thinks that this is at least our shot at trying it may not work but it's what it's what I have to do so I don't know that she's even hundred percent convinced
[SPEAKER_02]: In that case, maybe they should kill the baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ty steaks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have any more on that one?
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, I think that's that covers it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to talk a little bit about David's parenting.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've already covered a little bit of it, but I noticed, you know, like I said this shows about the impact of parentage and and what you take on from your parenting and whenever shadow king for Luke said, you know, I was like a daddy to you or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, no, come on, there's no truth to that whatsoever, but now I'm starting to feel like, oh yeah, it is kind of true in that way that sometimes you take on the characteristics of your parents or the people who are around when you were little.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's David is a manifesting similar situations in his life to what the Shadow King did.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Shadow King has all of these people surrounded surrounding him, showering him with adulation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And David's got this cults, and it's kind of similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, Chattaking is a total narcissist who will use and destroy the people around him, thinking of them all as objects.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's David, with Switch stumbling in all hurting and broken.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Charles says, who's this girl?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's, oh, she's no one.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's a means of getting here at school.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that, you know, it just feels like maybe he picked some of that up from fruit.
[SPEAKER_06]: because it was chilling.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's also like the first sign to Charles at something here is not all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a big sign.
[SPEAKER_02]: And before David was sort of qualifying all of that with well, I'm gonna change time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So all of this, whatever bad happens here will be undone, but he wasn't even saying that this time, that kind of sucked.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even with her, I mean, I'm really liking him less and less.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still have a place in my heart for David, but
[SPEAKER_02]: the way that he told her I think last week or the week before I'm going to make sure you don't lose any more teeth or you're not going to lose any more teeth and here she is losing more teeth and that was just bullshit and I hate when people bullshit like that yeah it's this also just I just need one more thing like he's so clearly you know because I don't even
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I don't, that's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: I, uh, the way the style is telling to show, showing to show is telling the story and the visual style.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, it's not clear to me whether, when they show the time skipping, whether they're suggesting that they have tried this multiple times, like the, the, the, David thinks it's the first time he's tried it, but it's actually multiple times.
[SPEAKER_06]: or if it's just a sign of the time fracturing the wearer.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's like skipping and doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I like the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The time is freeing and I mean, who knows, but that's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, though, there were some things that happened with Professor X where he would just suddenly appear like in bed, or when he first got to Furuk's palace and his driver suddenly was there to welcome him at the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was sort of wondering if that was just fruit kind of fucking with him to put him off guard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't tell if that was like one of the time things or if that was fruit or what.
[SPEAKER_06]: It could also be for root because we also know he's traveling through an oil painting to get out of the never ever.
[SPEAKER_06]: The dimension of the endless now or whatever they called it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's like there's all kinds of
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... chronological forces that play that you mentioned so yeah i guess it could be there's there's all kinds of things and it's interesting that they didn't even notice it first like it was happening with sit and carry uh... and there are time line that they're in and it was happening with david and charles and
[SPEAKER_01]: It was happening at first and no one was realizing it, which when it happened in the Oh gosh, I remember the episode, but whenever we were introduced like to the time demons and they started messing with time, they noticed it like, wait a minute, you know, how did, you know, early somebody noticed it and they wanted to get first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was kind of weird how they didn't pick up on it until almost the end.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe this would be a good time for us to just kind of like talk some things out because there's a couple of things that I wanted to like I'm not even going to say that they're mistakes or whatnot.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just that I didn't understand it.
[SPEAKER_06]: For example, like for coming through to painting I actually was fine with that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if you guys had a paint because like to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, he's got to get out of this thing and it's got to be some kind of psychic telepathic mumbo jumbo.
[SPEAKER_06]: So showing him struggle having oil painting, why not?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not something they'd established, but it's cool because how else do you visualize it?
[SPEAKER_06]: But kind of in the line of like, Sid, killing a time-demon, the hammer, how did Sid and the carries followed him through that time corridor with what we saw happened with the fact that it, like, massive, got to stabilize.
[SPEAKER_06]: David got cut off from the very talented time traveler that was making all this possible.
[SPEAKER_06]: How in the hell did Sid follow them through all that?
[SPEAKER_02]: and not only did they follow and we didn't see them having trouble but they ended up with Gabrielle where David ended up in Morocco and so why would they she didn't even know that Gabrielle was David's mother at first because she was caught off guard when Gabrielle said oh baby David right so that yeah I feel like that's a whole like I'm like how did how did they get here
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the second time I watched it, the dialogue she had with her mother, it seemed clear to me that she knew what they were there and why, you know, like, you know, it's essentially to fix David as a baby, but then she also was shocked that this was actually day, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because the first the first time I watched it last night, I thought that was an issue.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then the second time I watched it through, I'm like, nope, nope, there's like,
[SPEAKER_06]: weird kind of will they won't they as far as her relationship to realizing David is the baby and the David's there is is it's kind of strange but I was like I just want to see if I missed something or I don't know the only indication which was confusing to me too whenever Carrie's looks at Sid when they're kind of there in the yard and she says so David's here and Sidney says he should be we follow them yeah who's like brother not here right and who's
[SPEAKER_06]: possible that they followed a previous iteration of David and switch because you know they've done this trip back to that's true because everything is David and switch didn't go to that exact location in space they went to the exact location in time but like you know he went to Morocco and everybody else went to England that probably is different
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, so maybe that she followed a previous iteration of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we can say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like the writers wanted them to end up there and kind of hand-waved it away, which is unfortunate because I don't often feel like that with a show.
[SPEAKER_02]: But maybe we could say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: As far as the painting goes, I think I actually feel like the time-eaters helped fruit right out and get out in that particular place because they want him to fight David and Professor.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: They also had that subtitled painting montage where it's like, you know, he's trapped in here and less and then it showed an egg.
[SPEAKER_06]: Are they suggesting that he like took over the time demon's minds?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like with his like patent and delusion technology.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe because then that would that would make a lot of sense if he is deputized at the time demons and now they're swarming and looking like they're a lot more organized than they were before I don't know because that's the other thing as I didn't understand What they were doing as far as eating David's house and Yeah, it could be that yeah I was thinking that they were using him, but you could be right that he's using them
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, gosh.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because also, because also, why we're talking the things through, there's that really interesting scene where as Dave is getting kind of hijacked by the time fracture, for Rook appears to him and says, ah, you silly boy, don't you know that I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's the reality is what you make it is what you can will.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then David kind of like grabs his head and stabilizes time.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's super clear that Furuk is still pulling everyone's strings, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's absolutely, I forgot to mention that because yeah, I thought it was a flashback and it goes along with the point I was just making of parentage and being as far as, yeah, he actually pulled something useful from that and maybe he was thinking back about it or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because I was listening to when, you know, he's, you know, Kasparuk's always kind of, yeah, he's messed with him, but he has in some ways tried to demonstrate some type of father figure, parental, you know, advice to him, and he's like, you know, you're, you know, and that's when he tells him he's like, you're a god, you make
[SPEAKER_01]: your own reality.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like that's when he kind of drew back from that and realized that he wasn't trapped in time and he could make it what he wanted and kind of started to fully realize.
[SPEAKER_01]: It took strength for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more thing that kind of relates to this point about his parenting and how he had more probably shadow king was more of a parent to him than Professor X.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this whole thing about Sid having been repaired by Oliver and Melanie and she says I had two childhoods the first time I ran and then I walked the second I crawled and then I walked I felt safe that's all he wants to feel safe and there's this whole lesson about how you know if you're parented in that way then it'll be healthier
[SPEAKER_02]: But what maybe contradicts that, and it's from one of our favorite episodes, season two episode four, where Sid imparts this lesson.
[SPEAKER_02]: The world breaks everyone and afterwards some are strong at the broken places.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's almost like the opposite.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was actually just listening to Mark Marin, WTF with Sean Lennon, and they're talking about how creative people often did have a lot of pain or challenge in their lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: they had to work through it and so they got wiser and more resilient and also how being creative can mean living in this space of unknown or discovery and it feels less safe and secure but you get used to the cast of it so it's not necessarily comfortable but they said my comfort zone is not comfortable and so anyway my whole point is that maybe there's actually something to not having this perfect safe space when you're younger that you have to overcome some things in that build some strength that can be useful in the world
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a pretty clear lesson in season two that whole thing about the world breaks everyone and afterwards summer stronger at the broken places.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like that's antithetical to this whole thing we've been getting lately.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Although I guess Sid got like she got the best of both worlds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: She got the hard knocks life and then she got the the the what's the opposite of hard knock the soft soft soft hug life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly and she has memories of both.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not like she's talking about the hog life.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: She sure it's a common.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Number two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's kind of short and sweet and we've kind of test shown in a little bit and just kind of trying to figure out the time demons and what their motives were in this episode because I get the feeling that they
[SPEAKER_01]: were trying to eliminate David either as a baby or even present David while he he's with his father and old for Rook or past ape for Rook because he's a threat and that he was able to defeat them and that that's because I'm of the mind that they help release for Rook from the painting because it seemed like they
[SPEAKER_01]: cracked it like it was glass like they were able to fracture the line between where he was and then like said never never what everyone called that place and and and that time and that he was you know they were helping him to escape but then they were also
[SPEAKER_01]: chasing baby David and I mean that looked pretty ominous that they were specifically targeting him you know kind of breaking the house down in parts and leaving it open and vulnerable and then hovering over David's crib that way and then that's of course when Sid Cummins and with her magic time hammer and is able to eliminate him but I you guys of that
[SPEAKER_01]: frame of mine too and my way off base would just would like to at least get your thoughts and what you guys thought about that as far as with the time demons roll and why they were back.
[SPEAKER_06]: I actually think I like your take better than I take my take was just they were uh eating kind of like like what as they do sometimes they eat objects they eat time and and things history and they were doing that and this was but it's also like a attention building device like I just thought as that it's kind of like
[SPEAKER_06]: You're playing strip T's and you lose around and you take off a button on your shirt.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, oh, I'm gonna really draw this out.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like, the time demon should just go right for the baby, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: But now we're gonna take the clock and then the picture and then the stuffed animal and then the other stuffed animal and then the walls and then like, okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: So like, you actually put a little bit more thought never into like, oh, they're taking stripping ways protection as familiarity and making them feel vulnerable.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's actually
[SPEAKER_06]: Probably what Holly was hoping for instead of me just feeling like I see what you're doing there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, that's the only thing I could come away with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just feel like, again, you know, the point was raised will maybe for Rook had was using the time demons that he's using them to push David where he wants him and, you know, that fruit has been this whole mastermind behind this whole thing in this entire time that he's been driving David at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know to get Charles there to have David there and to have all of this happen and so I'm I don't know I feel like it's there's no straight line to any of that at least at this point I feel so I've just I mean to me it seems like they like to fuck with people and they laugh at it and they like to
[SPEAKER_02]: throw people off and I don't know man that baby was just he's too little to really be thrown off my much you know let's he's hungry or needs a diaper change so um but still it's that they're kind of playful in a sadistic way with their time eating powers and it just seemed like it went right along with that I don't I don't necessarily think they have this like oh we really have to urgently get our enemies it's more like hey let's cause chaos
[SPEAKER_01]: but you don't think that it's, you know, that they were maybe targeting David because of the threat of that episode and he was able to different them and was like, you know, hey, tell your friends, I'll come after you guys in that really freaked him out, thinking, oh hell, we actually have somebody out there that can eliminate us or
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, also when I get to a situation like this, I start thinking about it from the creative point of view.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, well, we could have them going and kill him, but then the show would be over.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what do we do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I realize it kind of opens up a whole new kind of side story line or something when here we are at the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would we kind of open this up?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just trying to kind of figure, it just seemed like they were helping from both ends or trying to target at both ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just, I mean,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only what I can make it sense, since for me.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it could be, you know, like Jason said, they're targeting him because he's a uniquely dangerous person.
[SPEAKER_06]: He uniquely kicked their ass and they're scared of him.
[SPEAKER_06]: It could be that for Rukus putting them up to it, it could be that David is doing actual violence to the timeline and they're kind of the guardians of time and they've got it into him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like there's a lot of reasons they could have it in for David.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it does, yeah, it doesn't feel like it's like a random and undirected if you felt like it was kind of centered on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think it's been established that when switch uses or powers that creates weaknesses and the barriers between wherever they're from and getting out of there and then they get to come out and eat time and they're just getting about that it seems like.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think they're guarding anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're destructive.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I could be completely well off base because it is true when she wins which was telling David, you know, way back like the further back that we go, we risk releasing these time demons and how they like to come in and stir stuff up, you know, and just cause chaos, you know, that makes sense too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is, it does make sense that they would want to get him out of the way because he's shown to be one that can, you know, is powerful over them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's my number two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here on.
[SPEAKER_06]: This show has been doing horror really well this season and some of that stuff involving for Rook's court of children is just as chilling as anything.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's like a self-contained tales from the dark side episode, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know who this king is and how tyrannical he was, but banishing the king's consciousness to a monkey and then banishing the rest of the consciousness of his retinue to these children's minds.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then like the children were tormenting the monkey.
[SPEAKER_06]: And is that because they're tormented themselves?
[SPEAKER_06]: That's fucked up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I thought, and, uh, here, it's Harry Lloyd or is it Henry Lloyd?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, Harry Lloyd.
[SPEAKER_06]: Professor X. Yep.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I thought he did really good work at kind of like working that kind of revulsion and you'd see like, uh, Charles put his head to his temple and then he'd see this and it's like, uh, he, uh, he did a really good job of showing, uh, who, what I usually consider a very powerful and in control character completely,
[SPEAKER_06]: like a drift in this situation's morality it's reality I I liked it and and it was really creepy and between this and the time demons they've done some some A plus The American horror stories should be a shame for what they're gonna try to roll out this Friday at thirteen season after seeing what FX is doing yep
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty chilling, and I think even when Professor X discovered that this little girl has all the souls of Shadow King's former enemies trapped in her head and it's making her miserable, that was pretty chilling, and then that's what convinced him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I know David's a little sketchy, but I think Shadow King's a monster and we need to get rid of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a little sad there and how for Rook is even playing it off because when before Charles even discovers what's happening he's thinking oh well how good of you to take in these orphan children you know into your home and care for them get them home and feeding them and stuff and he's like
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, oh, he's like, no, it's not noble, it's decent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how, you know, he sees it, you know, what he's doing and then to, you know, when he discovers the truth and that kind of makes it even more horrific.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's a little, yeah, he's, he's unsure throughout the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like somebody shows up with a painting of him and he didn't even, Professor X didn't even think Shadow King knew about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Shadow King gradually, casually drops that he knows he has a baby in a wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: And oh, you know, like all about me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And oh, yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a little sketchy the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's still naive and young girls, he's naive and open.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even with David's telling him, this guy, he lets him eat the knowledge cake which I love.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish I had a piece of that to feed to people sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's still like, maybe we can talk to him and then after the thing with the girl he realizes, no, we can't talk to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that leads to my number two, which is about fruit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in season two, episode three, fruit said to David, for decades, I rule over my country.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a good king strong, but just my people, they prosper.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then your father, a white man, which is you tell me important.
[SPEAKER_02]: He comes, does he speak our language?
[SPEAKER_02]: Does he know our customs?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he decides what that my people should have better, that he knows better, who is he to make such choices?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there was the sort of temptation there to think, oh, maybe we're seeing things from David's point of view, but actually fruit has a point here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now can we definitively say that all of that's bullshit.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, is that a referendum on anti-colonialism, but it does seem like a referendum on this particular take on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying, yeah, in general.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just saying he's white men bare no guilt for the state of the planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying, you know what I'm saying, but he's using that as a way that comes for a cover for a cover.
[SPEAKER_06]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a great cover story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we have the story of how he became king done with the shadow play, which is great, or they call me the shadow king.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, nice little origin story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, I mean, he operates in the shadows too, so there's multiple levels to that name, but anyway, it says, once upon a time, a tyrant ruled the land, he basted in indulgences and his kingdom starved, but then from the lowliest of stations, a hero arose with nothing but his wits, and we see him kill people with a sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he goes, and a magic phrase, he fought that beastly ruler, and the magic phrase was, you should never have come.
[SPEAKER_02]: He vanquished the tyrant.
[SPEAKER_02]: He took his riches in his kingdom and set into motion in age of prosperity, praise by all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it seems like that's all also bullshit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He came, I mean, the monkey king seems just based on what little we hear from him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very tyranty, seeming too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he was another autocrat, but Shadow King just came in and took over and is doing probably the exact same thing
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, and also, I mean, this is kind of my, this is kind of my number one, so I'll throw in a couple, a couple of sins in here too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I just, I really loved this portrayal of Furuk, and what a, like, a different kind of, like, more animated, slightly goofier, much less swab, obviously.
[SPEAKER_06]: But more kind of, like, honest, and I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I animated, it's a good word.
[SPEAKER_06]: I, I just love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just love it a little.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he read as almost visually younger and his, you know, he's a little bit more of a goofy guy.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought he was more of a comedic presence.
[SPEAKER_06]: But he also connects that like this thing of mental illness that he's like, you know, I walked a street.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought I was mad.
[SPEAKER_06]: And there's a lot of ways you can enter, you know, and he's always just ranting and raving.
[SPEAKER_06]: And there's a ways you can interpret that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Number one, maybe he's just a powerful telepath with
[SPEAKER_06]: poor control of their abilities.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've seen this through most recently Jean Grey, what a traumatic experience it can be to like just have people's thoughts intruding on you all the time.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it also could be that he's got some baseline mental illness on top of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: and i thought that was kind of an interesting possibility so it's it's possible this guy is a tyrant and was cruel to his people and for root through a combination of you know just his own natural power and kind of maybe having to screw loose himself uh... decided to you know do justice to the world but you can also see how
[SPEAKER_06]: you know this this this power like the more you use it it's like um like like Charles X you know the more you use it indiscriminately the kind of like um benefit yourself the easier it is the easier it is until you become a monster that you use children's minds to imprison your enemies and you take over a baby's life so you can have a more powerful host uh
[SPEAKER_06]: and you destroy a family just, you know, to maneuver the father in a place where you could, it's, it's, I think it's very interesting, and I loved how this guy found a new way to play this character, but just is like intelligent and menacing, but almost a completely emotional, like, tonality and, and temperature, uh, one-eighty.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think my sense is the question is not whether he's a monster now when Professor X meets him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really seems like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the question, according to what you're saying is more, was he when he came into that situation already a monster or did the home did he become it as he ruled the place?
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just amazing, from that perspective, how in the world did Professor Xave your not
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that I said this earlier in a season like his professor Xavier like Jesus Christ is he like is he just a perfect man because how can anyone with that much power over other people not succumb to its influence?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean the only I do wonder like you alluded to before if he's so great then why did he not parent David that's the one thing that I wonder
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's, you know, I think that's the show will deliver a pretty satisfying answer.
[SPEAKER_06]: It feels like that's what all this will take up to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I think you can kind of figure out like we were talking Gabrielle is not capable of parenting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if she would be capable of leaving if she had Charles with her all the time and and capable of being a mom that needs so I think clearly we understand what would happen with her but why is it that Charles can't seem to pick up you know if she falls into descent into her illness and is unable to parent why can't Charles be there
[SPEAKER_02]: Another question I have is, you know, is all of this what happened no matter what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we never saw, like, say, some original version of the fight between fruit and Professor X, except for what English David wrote on the chalkboard and David's head.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe this was, you know, time works in the way that there's really only one way that it happened and this was it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everything's inevitable.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't forget why that relates to what we were just talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so hard to talk about the sales branch.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more thing I was breaking my brain.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a mention about this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Charles comes and and fruit is expecting him, but you know, he was not expecting David.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think Charles planned?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, fruit's plan for Charles was.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's like, I forget which philosopher this is, but there's like this concept of like the other and how like you don't, you can't see yourself.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like if you were just a single person on this earth, you wouldn't even understand what it meant to be human in a way that you could instantly grasp if you saw another human.
[SPEAKER_06]: And there's a lot of the dialogue of Peru kind of like, you know, you saw me and I saw you, like, and there's a genuine delight.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I think that this was, I don't think you had an agenda.
[SPEAKER_06]: Except for Charles has a very powerful son that I can jack for like that was always his agenda.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I think there's also kind of like, um, you know, he wanted to genuinely meet somebody like him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Someone that might be either ally or a challenger or rival.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he would either want to use him or if that failed, then destroy him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was feeling now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, yeah, to see whether he could use him or needed to destroy him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is he a threat, you know, to me because he Charles is a part.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know he he's not Charles isn't in a mega mutant, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he is freaking and David.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know he's really powerful.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is later, but I don't know about right now because it even it was interesting to see David has much more facility with his powers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think then the Charles at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know, I was just curious, but yeah, I don't know if it was just like to feel it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take his measure, you know, in person instead of from afar when he kind of picked up his presence.
[SPEAKER_06]: The other part of that philosophy, the other is like you get an enhanced understanding of yourself, but it's also like this fear that when you're alone, you kind of are secure in your supremacy, there's nothing to conchalence you, but then when another steps on other steps onto the scene, suddenly it's like, oh, this is something that I can't control and I can't intuitively understand by reading their mind.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so it's like,
[SPEAKER_06]: Wanted maybe friendship but then when he's when Charles got there like he realized what he threatened he was but I don't know that that's some high-falutin bullshit.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that like the real story is when he's telling the story of the shadow king and he looks right it's his Xavier's like you should not have come right.
[SPEAKER_06]: He feels like a spider that a fly has just landed on his web and nothing if like and do that
[SPEAKER_02]: because one story I was just concocting in my head is oh maybe he did he was sincere in that it's wonderful to be seen and to see it's a gift or whatever which I agree I love that but then you know David coming actually made it so that they needed to fight but what you just said kind of negated that because he was already being kind of menacing and Charles had that premonition and I think that might have been the first time
[SPEAKER_02]: I call him the fat bastard spoke.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know for sure, but he said you should never have gone Yeah, I really like David kind of spectrally appearing to his father and say behold the king of lies.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was a really cool scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, super cool
[SPEAKER_06]: So say like grinning for root and like spectral David are a reason enough to watch this show.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you have problems like like I understand it but like there's just some just man what great care.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah and I love how David just starts talking to him as if he was just you know a friend who was always there not like some stranger who just appeared as a ghost.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay we are at number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just want to kind of talk a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've already kind of broke it down quite a lot, so I don't know how much more I can add to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just the whole...
[SPEAKER_01]: David finally meeting his father face-to-face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like how he feeds in that piece of cake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jason, you're mentioned that calling at knowledge and basically catches Charles up on season one and season two of Legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to eat an American's cake and, uh, take a dozen shows that are on my list.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be a lot more fun than the Matrix upload if you had the capability and the Matrix where you can just do an upload of like, oh, now I know Kung Fu or now I've just watched a whole series of this show and I'm good to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would enjoy a nice piece of red velvet cake and I would definitely enjoy that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think more.
[SPEAKER_06]: What have they combined that with the orgasm cake from the Matrix part two?
[SPEAKER_01]: now you've got a product somebody get on that right away when Charles told David that everyone is someone like when David just dismissed switch when he's like well who is she and so she was just a means to get here and he kind of recommended him and like a fatherly role is like everybody is somebody David like oh dad
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like, that's a kind of parenting he's needed and he hasn't had it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why we're here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we're in season three of the show because you weren't there to teach him empathy and that it's, you know, not all about him.
[SPEAKER_01]: The people matter too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that it looks like according to the end anyway that we're going to have a bit of a showdown with Legion versus the shadow king and squared.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, squared.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it made me wonder if
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys remember in season two when Oliver and Furuk were traveling?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was a desert, but they were in that rickshaw and or maybe they were in the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, that was when Oliver was driving maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I know that they were traveling, I guess it was when they were going to go find Amy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Oliver said that he was going to kill, he would be the one to kill for Rook and he told Fruit that one plus one does not equal to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it made me think that David plus Charles doesn't equal to because you have David, Charles and Legion, which is many.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I mean, I know it's a bit of a stretch, but it just kind of made me think, well, it's Legion as many and, you know, um, because- I will subscribe to your newsletter, Rima.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm, I'm, I'm buying, I'm buying.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can subscribe for, one ninety-nine now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know because Oliver did say he would be the one to kill Frook and I don't know that we're going to because we did not get any really kind of any preview for next week at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was all clips from the season thrown in there, which I thought was, you know, hey, we're not going to give you anything for next week at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just, I'm kind of, I just love that whole, you know, all of the scenes with David and his father.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked all of the interactions with David and for Rick when David, you know, comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, oh, I'd always hear for a free meal.
[SPEAKER_01]: and when fruit tries to read his mind, and David keeps playing that song.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Coltsong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Captain?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, all you can see in his mind is just like this crazy hippie drug Marty is like, and it's unsettling to him, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's a psychic trick, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he can't admit what he's trying to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he can't say, let's go in on with you because then that would be it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's trying to pry into his mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like there was a little hole there because he should have then read or tried to read Charles's mind to find out about David.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's not a walk in a barge either.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, true.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, I don't know, I just, I loved all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved all the interactions.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were some really fun things in watching the VNegabon who plays for going from super charming.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because we like you said, Iran, there was a very different
[SPEAKER_01]: for Rook then you know, which I've always thought he was charming.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's always I mean he's he's a villain and I think he's been up to no good and never doubted that he was a bad guy a real bad guy in this See or in the series even though the good guy bad guy thing is kind of ambiguous But I feel like he's always been a bad guy, but he's been a fun charming villain to have around and he's never been boring
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this was definitely a new side to fruit that we hadn't seen before, so that was really fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: He played it so well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really, really got to kick out of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, his face lighting up and saying when he sees himself and says interested.
[SPEAKER_06]: Man, and I don't blame him for not wanting to show anything for next week, because my expectations are sky high.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, first season one, we had the chalkboard battle between Professor X and the Shadow King season two.
[SPEAKER_06]: We had the behind blue eyes, psychic battle between Legion and or David and the Shadow King.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now we're going to get Legion and Professor X versus Shadow King.
[SPEAKER_06]: times two, that, I mean, the level of visual spectacle I'm expecting is pretty high.
[SPEAKER_06]: They have, they have conditioned me to expect a very high degree of crazy visuals to go along with this off to charts like it back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And music, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if it is David's face for just an hour, you, you already said, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: David's face and someone in the background going, David.
[SPEAKER_01]: David.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, that's just, honestly, like, like, fifty nine minutes of David's face dissolving into fruit's face every five minutes.
[SPEAKER_06]: It just takes five minutes to complete the entire circle that I could almost see that five minutes of day to May.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd take that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, what's your number one?
[SPEAKER_06]: I think y'all, it was the just how cool for Rucos.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think we're all a dog pilot on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I already did my number one, so why don't we go into notes?
[SPEAKER_01]: Great visuals when they were showing that play, which we already talked about how fruit came into power, thought that was again an interesting and creative way to kind of show that from his perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: The line you should never have come, that kept getting repeated throughout this episode, thought that was going to be a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the train, he has this vision or whatever it was of
[SPEAKER_02]: evil fat shadow king saying it to him then when he's talking he's doing his shadow play he's saying it to the tyrant in the play but he looks like he's also saying it directly to professor x again and then david's david says it to shadow king right and was interesting to me this is one of my notes actually he
[SPEAKER_02]: Shadow King's January, David's mind, David predict projects you should never have come.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we see switch stumbling around and a tooth falling at her feet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, she should have never come to David.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then just as David's all excited telling Charles, we have him rattle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I knew it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the unexpected element.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then switch stumbles in and she's like the unexpected element that rattles David right in front of Charles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all these like role reversal things going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: The last note that I had was just like one of the saddest things I think I've probably ever heard and that was when Sidney was talking to Gabrielle when they're in the yard and Sidney was chopping wood and Sidney asks Gabrielle she says is he a good baby David and she said Gabrielle says well he he cries a lot like he knows something and Sidney says what could he know and she looks at and says me I know that was just one of the saddest damn things I've ever heard in my life
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't have it on my nose, but again, I kept thinking of Sid and this damn lost arm of hers that maybe won't happen now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I feel like to keep showing us the arm with the time watch on it and acts is always present.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're wise to be on guard.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's no way that doesn't fit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I feel like it's just, it's, it's, it has to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen it too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like they keep throwing these things in our faces.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we only have next episode to see what comes to fruition there.
[SPEAKER_06]: And all the, all the great hero heroes journey, which Sid is obviously on, the hero has to pay a great price.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, Frodo could go back to the Shire and her losing, losing her arm.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the, you know, potentially the love of her life, I think is going to be the price of sheepheads.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully, we'll go further than that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm really, really pulling forward.
[SPEAKER_06]: We did see her in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we haven't talked about Switch a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not really in my notes, but I feel bad we kind of didn't really talk about her too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: She does not look to be in good shape at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like she is dying and I feel terrible for her.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was trying to figure her out a little bit because she says I'm here teacher as she's collapsing before him with blood coming out and at some point she says daddy I need you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm scared.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if she's talking about her father or David.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I thought that was interesting because they've established what a distant figure he is from her well
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think that the whole thing of all his acolytes calling him daddy is some kind of psychological thing playing out for them and for him for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: It maybe it's that he you know didn't have a father figure and now he's taking on that role but it's in a way that's narcissistic like he sees them all as
[SPEAKER_02]: as objects and then they're all maybe they didn't have father figures either and so they're unconsciously seeking out this similar relationship where this person that's supposed to protect them but isn't really because he's not really very protective of them I don't think I explained that very well but it's just like people looking to fulfill these voids in their lives and I think she falls right into it you know switch yeah no that that makes sense I thought that
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought it's interesting about her, you know, that father figure is that I always thought that she was a little stronger than the average, like, acolyte.
[SPEAKER_06]: Kind of like, she would have, she would maintain her sense of individuality, kind of someone away, Lini did, but maybe not.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe this is just inevitable if you spend this much time around David and he, he bins all of his will and his focus on you that like,
[SPEAKER_06]: No matter how you start off with or how strong you start off with, he's going to like break you down into this childlike figure that needs its damage.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what we've seen of her is, you know, the very first episode where she was introduced.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was attention put on the fact that her father's at the end of this long table on TV and just asked her about a schooling and then leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he kind of treats her and then I think she's complaining that he treats her like a robot or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it definitely seems like he's not connected to her at all that he's just absent and distant.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then she goes and answers this time travel ad and seems almost completely loyal to David throughout the series except maybe when Carrie takes her away but other than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't feel it, but just looking at the logistics of what we've seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like she's just a typical person who feels like there's something missing in their life and goes and joins a call.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you could make that case anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was all my notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aaron?
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, kind of going on the strong line readings we're talking about.
[SPEAKER_06]: I really liked David when he right before he went catatonic and he said, I said, stop.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Kind of, I felt like it was a little bit yellow bastard, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wonder if that was intentional.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought that was pretty cool though.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, I also like, you know, I can't talk enough about how cool a shadow king is, but when he emerges from the painting and he's like, literally covered in dust and he's like, what the journey I've had.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's so cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: So cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: I cannot wait for crazy young shadow king and swaps if it's skated older dust cover shadow king to face off against David and Charles.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean you'd think if someone like the shadow king met himself like that, that actually they might end up trying to control each other.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's your job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: One tries to eat the other.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It'd be interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It can be only one.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'll one last detail, Habiba, which is the child that was clinging to his leg in the beginning, and you know, he mentioned that she's a mutant, she's a tragic and all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: I looked it up, and that is a name of Arabic origin that means beloved.
[SPEAKER_06]: Which I thought adds a little bit of, like, as you know, it's just a key to the conflict.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, how twisted his relationships with people is that this is, you know, you'd call this person that name and then do this to them.
[SPEAKER_06]: bastard.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I got.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: One more thing about Switch is she says I've got the power to move through time, but my body's not strong enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this episode really made it pretty clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that her teeth falling out are probably just a visible indication of other trauma.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's suffering.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can even see it in her face, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: She'll look like she'd aged twenty years more than just her teeth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, looking at her teeth, I keep on wondering if we go to the future where they grow back, which was really sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's open.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some great lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's more frayer.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a privilege it is to see and be seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love when Sid says to Carrie, remember how I told you about Oliver and Melanie, how they raised me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she goes, I remember you saying that, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gary's a soldier.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's just like, I don't know time for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't we go to the baby?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, alright.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the thing about babies being insane because I've definitely had those same thoughts and cats too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the whole revenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: No justice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, justice.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was really fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we are back.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no news this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the calm before the storm.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll move right into mental notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought for change, I just play the call first to have it listen to it yet, but here's our call from Steve Brown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Aeron, Jason and Rima.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Steve.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Aeron, Jason and Rima.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Steve.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is for season chapter twenty six.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this one did my thoughts in hopefully before.
[SPEAKER_00]: You record, I haven't finished my second watch of the episode yet, but you know, I'm going to need some help on this one because, wow, the whole lot going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: the morality of killing maybe David was an originally conversation between Sid and Girl Carey and obviously I love Girl Carey.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the character.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love everything about her and the fact that she just wants to fight something and she doesn't get the chance really in this episode a little bit of kicking but not not too much and we do the confirmation that Sid was raised, did have a second, a whole second upbringing.
[SPEAKER_00]: by Melanie and Oliver, which was really really cool to get that confirmation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what was going on with the portrait there, or am I just when I read too much, it was kind of a Dorian Gray kind of thing, and it looked like it was deteriorating throughout the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, I don't know, I couldn't tell by the end of the episode what was going on with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you guys maybe you've already cleared that up through your discussion of the episode, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely love the whole repetition of this, you should never have come.
[SPEAKER_00]: phrase and the fact that that's what I'm all for used to defeat the other king in his little shadow play love that he said the children call him the shadow king that was that was really cool because of the shadow puppets and just can't wait to hear what you guys thought and see how know a holly perhaps the whole thing up unsure there's a lot of stuff that I that I missed and didn't get to in this episode so talk to you later
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't notice the portrait changing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did you guys think it might have gotten like, you know, a little cracked and distorted.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I just chalked that up to, you know, the Shadow King's power or the time demons.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I'm not.
[SPEAKER_02]: The portrait of a professor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think that's what he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was very, I did, but I couldn't quite make out the detail of what had changed, but it did look different.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if, huh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you can eat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Charles even kind of looked at it, you know, there was kind of like looking at like what?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening with that?
[SPEAKER_06]: But that also was in the context of him like jumping forward in time or restarting in time loop or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I thought it was more of that reaction than the paint hood.
[SPEAKER_06]: I could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, obviously if Steve here thinks so, and he gives me top billing in the phone call.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I got to appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get into some of the emails.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I'll go first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Laura Lawsinger says, ah, my DVR cut off the last bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she doesn't know how it ended.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, but she says, I like the idea of a David redemption arc via baby David with Sid.
[SPEAKER_02]: A half wish she'd swapped with David's mom to protect him, but it seemed like she motivated her at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think, I think she tried, but I don't think she was successful at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't buy it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think she's, it's possible for her to stay in this time zone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: That either.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like, at some point, like, if, if Switch dies, are they stranded there?
[SPEAKER_06]: Did they get yanked back?
[SPEAKER_06]: Or did it just cease to exist?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I don't know how that all works.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It, you definitely got the impression that she wouldn't be able to just hang out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Rima.
[SPEAKER_01]: Laura Willie's Swank writes, there is no good stronger than a mother's love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sid is channeling some Harry Potter mojo there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think Gabrielle's love will give David the charm he needs to defeat he, who shall not be named?
[SPEAKER_01]: An interesting moral quandary as Sid is presented with the widju kill baby Hitler dilemma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sid decides to heal the child in order to heal the man.
[SPEAKER_01]: So happy to be looping back around Charles and Gabrielle's story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad they continued to depict Xavier as the good shepherd, since canonically we know him as the father figure
[SPEAKER_01]: to so many mutant children who tries to guide them down the path of peace.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually do believe if David were successful in keeping the shadow king from possessing him and if he'd grown up with Charles, another mutant with similar powers and a strong moral compass to guide him that he would have grown up differently like Sid did with her second childhood.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think Gabrielle's love's gonna have a chance against what's going on between her years and what the shadow king's trying to do, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think she's capable.
[SPEAKER_01]: She sounds like she's just dialing in the whole motherhood thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: She feels real bad about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: She realizes that she's not answering the bell, but her husband left her and she's falling apart.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's already like I said, shaking mentally into the lion king.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, the Lion King reboot torments her.
[SPEAKER_06]: She can't build the creepy frozen face of the lions.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's just got all these things coming after and I just like, you know, it's no, I know Jid moral judgment on her, but she just is not ready for this war.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This show presents people who are in these tragic situations that are no fault of their own.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's been through the Holocaust.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's talking about Piazza Body.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has PTSD.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now she can't find any meaning of life and doesn't seem to have any self-esteem.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when she imagines her baby crying and thinking that it's a referendum on her, that's just a feeling that she can't shake even though it's not true, but you know, I've known people who just gravitate towards thinking the worst.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard to be a good parent when you're in that mindset.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's impossible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she is.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's supposed to do about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and everyone says like, well, you know, you have a baby and she just looks out and says, well, all animals fight even when they don't or all animals fight, whether they want to or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, oh, hell, that is like a bleak outlook.
[SPEAKER_06]: Very, very.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's interesting because I agree with Laura here that I think that if Charles did was able to stay with
[SPEAKER_06]: David that it would have turned things turn out but you know the fact that he was able to heal his mother with his you know beneficial mutant powers is indication that could have protected from the lion king and he could protect him from you know could have helped him through his mental illness and you know
[SPEAKER_06]: I, but here's, okay, am I crazy?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because what I, that begs the question, which is why did Charles not do that?
[SPEAKER_06]: You know?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, like, like, Rima lays out a compelling case for why Gabrielle is taking off the board because, you know, she's, she's got some problems, but like, why doesn't Charles hunt, you know, David down?
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm wondering if they're going to suggest that the, for Rook, like, fakes their, like their death,
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, or otherwise disappears, uh, David and then as he's inhabiting as mine, maybe he's using his powers to shield that presence from Charles, so he can't like, like, I think as this is leading up to a theory that I've been thinking about, like, what if Charles has actually spent his entire life trying to find David and, and
[SPEAKER_06]: how how on a scale of one to ten how awesome would it be for an elderly Charles to come back in time because he's finally found somehow David and him young Charles and David all square off against the shadow king together played by the past that would be literally too much that would be literally too much I couldn't survive
[SPEAKER_02]: as you're saying this though it makes me wonder you know that thing I was talking about earlier about maybe things always played out this way because the timeline is just one way and David always came back in time and etc etc but if that's not true if there was a version of the timeline where David didn't come back in time in your fear and professor ex was there fighting the shadow king without David being around
[SPEAKER_02]: Then I want to know what happened to David in that timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like why did they give him up for adoption?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we don't really know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can see in this case Gabrielle saying, wow, it seems really important that I love this child and I can't so I need to give him to someone who can.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, even if Professor X is around, maybe they would still be like, well, I think we can find two parents who are a better home for him or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're not wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go to the last one.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're on.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jamie Henry, hello all.
[SPEAKER_06]: Poor poor Switch.
[SPEAKER_06]: This adventure with David is actually killing her and he doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_06]: We always knew he didn't, but he admitted it this week.
[SPEAKER_06]: That she was a nobody and he was using her as a means to an end.
[SPEAKER_06]: Even if this plan of his works, I think Switch will not be coming out of this unharmed.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was lovely to see Charles and Gabrielle again.
[SPEAKER_06]: Gabrielle was again wearing green at this time, both Charles and David had a little green on as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: Charles tie in one stripe on David's sweater, perhaps symbolizing their connection to her.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't believe the show is over next week, but at least we're going out on the Ferruc versus, and Ferruc versus Charles and David squared with Legion and the tag team astral playing cage match.
[SPEAKER_06]: Take care, Jamie H. P.S.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, Rima.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know that how the cult girls calling David Daddy all the time, prepsiat.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's how I felt when all the incarnations of David were calling Charles Daddy using different inflections.
[SPEAKER_06]: Shutter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a little overcut, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Daddy, Daddy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the cult girls are worse though, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for me, hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: We love you, Daddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now that recording of you saying that it's out on the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh shit, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was done.
[SPEAKER_06]: You better have your time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you need to just cut that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That does not need to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make a group of it and put it on my soundboard.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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