[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hey, hi.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you understand me?
[SPEAKER_02]: You picked a really shitty time to attack us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying it's your fault.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is, but the timing is, it's not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm dealing with a lot here with the Shadow King.
[SPEAKER_02]: And well, this, this isn't helping.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was hoping you could appreciate my situation and maybe, I don't know, be on your way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go back to where you came from.
[SPEAKER_02]: Otherwise, I have to kill you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you, are you understanding this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, everybody, welcome to our podcast, I'm Jason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Rayna.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is Legion cast episode fifteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: A fifteen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't like this one as much when I first saw it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you want to wait to talk about it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I guess let's just get into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's our top five highlights for Legion season two episode seven chapter fifteen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: While I do, I think I know, but part of it is the last three episodes were just so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but was the one that was, could well last week was the one where he went to the multiple, all the abilities.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the one before that was where Amy died.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember Lenny showed up and they were trying to figure out if she was really Lenny or what the hell was going on with her?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, there was the whole interrogation of Lenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had Clark and the autonomy and then David all going in to talk to Lenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we had the interaction between fruit and Oliver.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oliver is like, you know, I'm going to kill you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, had that those good lines and then we had what happened to Amy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Coming back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I guess one of the reasons why I couldn't remember it so well is because that was my least favorite of the last three, but it was still I thought really good and then the one before that was where he went into Sid's mind, which I could still maybe my favorite of the whole series.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so when we got into this one, I was just left feeling kind of wowed after all three of those.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wasn't left feeling that way after this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just kind of gotten used to being like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then after the second time through and thinking about it, I found a lot to like.
[SPEAKER_03]: So why don't we get into it?
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it wasn't one of my favorite episodes, and I didn't come away with a strong feeling like I had been like you said, but the last several episodes, you know, the one where we were in, you know, Sid's mind, and then, you know, the episode where Amy died and Lenny came back with everything that happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so emotional.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it really, you know, left some feelings behind on that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, the last one was so great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just, I mean, it was sad, but it was really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one didn't wow me as the others, but I think I liked it better on the second watch, but I'm still just feeling left.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's just kind of dragging just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that there were a couple of things that kind of moved the plot forward, but it just kind of, you know, the whole, and that goes, like, my number five is the part where David calls out for Rook.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of,
[SPEAKER_00]: at a point where I'm kind of getting a little tired of these two kind of sitting in the astral plane and fruit challenges David, he's trying to get him on his side, find my body blah blah blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to make David into who fruit things he should be, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then David keeps rejecting us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's kind of like, and I like how they keep dressing the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: They keep putting us in these interesting places, you know, but it's not enough to keep me interested.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hoping that it's starting to kind of wear me out just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that we can kind of move forward with that just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think, you know, and that's like I said, my number five, and that's probably the part that kind of brought it down for me a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I almost wonder if no Holly thinks oh man, this is really complicated and I'm sure people are gonna be lost so I'm just gonna have an episode where we remind people of things because it felt like those things that you just said and even at the end when
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... who's the narrator guy john he just reminds us of all the concepts that they've kind of gives a quick summary of all the concepts that he's been going over in the last several episodes and so it felt like a refresher like when you're in school and you have a review unit to something
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, especially we're doing this podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just never love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've watched every episode twice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Give us new novelty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, my number five is bad feelings.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there were a few things that left me feeling kind of blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: A mall calls David on his true feelings for his sister and says, David, you know, you hated her and you wished her dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't you ever see that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we did, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember hearing any thoughts of that from season one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember hearing any thoughts of that from season one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember hearing any thoughts of that from season one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember hearing any thoughts of that from season
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't pick up on any of that when she came to see him in the first episode of season one, she's given him the birthday cake.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's kind of down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he looks a little different.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he doesn't seem resentful towards her.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't seem angry towards her when he goes to live with her once he gets out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he said, she seemed more, almost scared of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Has his little mental break for a second and that lamb gets broken and she comes downstairs to check on him and he's like, oh yeah, everything's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not like, okay, and she starts hiding the garden tools, the sharp instruments.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that seemed like a little bit of a retcon because we saw, you know, she took him to the asylum and said that he would just be there for a few weeks and ended up being six years.
[SPEAKER_03]: and so it makes sense that he'd have some resentment and maybe okay fine we didn't see it but it was there whatever but that you know little details like that that don't feel true kind of bug me there's repetitiveness that you're talking about with David and for facing off I did like David just growling at him
[SPEAKER_03]: And for it tells him to take off his mask and come to the big kids table and all this that we already saw that a couple weeks ago He just says do what you want take what you want God God's make rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't follow them
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, we already heard all that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even he for complaints about these heroes with their blue eyes and, you know, he feels like he's persecuted by white men and we know that already.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was kind of annoyed with both Sid's future Sid and current Sid.
[SPEAKER_03]: The whole scene of Sid saying oh, you should ask my future self what you know What did she want to know like what he thought for who?
[SPEAKER_03]: What he was doing and he's like it doesn't bother you I don't want you to be jealous and at first I thought David was sort of bringing that up when it wasn't even there, but then again I know sometimes with couples like if one of the person people are jealous
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want to seem jealous, so they actually offer up.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, go ahead, want to go see the person that's fine, or it can even be a test to see how the other person will respond.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it felt kind of real, but I don't know after how solid they were after that episode where he goes and explores her psyche.
[SPEAKER_03]: This felt like a step back, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's back and forth in couples, but just the whole thing of the jealousy isn't nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a nice, nice feeling.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Future said she's not being very compassionate about David.
[SPEAKER_03]: having lost his sister you gotta focus but then again she's lost she's in a apocalypse we haven't gotten to experience that or see it but she probably lost billions of people so it kind of makes sense it's just felt kind of dismissive and and she's always been a little cold towards him because as we know for sure now he turns into a bad guy
[SPEAKER_03]: but then all of a sudden she turns around and wants to kiss him which felt kind of like soap operaish like oh David just had a conversation about jealousy with current day said so we have to have futures to make a pass at him so he can kind of cheat which also felt bad like ah he's cheat he said he wasn't going to do it and he promised and then it didn't even take very much now he's now they're kissing like he didn't even really try to resist it
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's still Sydney, and I know that she was acting kind of cold and harsh towards him, and I think I understand why a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think she's probably in a way, if David is who they're saying is going to bring about this apocalypse that she keeps talking about, then she's probably scared of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't you know remember like she and she probably feels a little scared to come to yourself out there that she's seeing her old David this is her David that she remembers not the one you know she didn't know that David that I guess is the one that's we're assuming anyway to be the one to bring about about apocalypse and I think that she's probably trying to
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, hold her feelings back, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why she's being a little bit more cold to visit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also think she's had longer to sit with it, the fact that Amy died.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she's like, you know, and she sees it as a distraction.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like what, uh, current sit is telling him, you know, he's trying to use it as a distraction to make you emotional, you know, and to break you and you need, you know, you need to focus.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what future sit tells him is you need to focus.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she's had more time to sit with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still fresh with David, and probably does seem cold.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little unclear because she had that conversation with Faruk and he said, you know, why don't we work together basically?
[SPEAKER_03]: We can rule the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, save the world from David.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's exactly what she's been wanting anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: She wanted David to help Faruk get his body back so that he could
[SPEAKER_03]: Stop David and so now here comes fruit right at her doorstep offering to help That's what she wanted so I think it makes sense that they are a team now and then the next thing you know David comes to visit her and So I wondered if because that was a pretty abrupt change of emotion from her and
[SPEAKER_03]: That maybe it was some kind of a play.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I could also see because she did that right when David was going to leave and then she said, well, can we say goodbye?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's hard to tell.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm a little confused about the emotions and this whole thing and where people are with each other because they just kind of left for who can sit in the middle of their conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I was wondering, well, if that was a goodbye because the reason why David went to talk to her was to say, I don't want to help fruit anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: He killed my sister and then she's like, okay, then you could just go and it's too much and that felt a little passive aggressive to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did go, so maybe he decided he's still, you know, decided he's not going to help fruit.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not clear either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that can be taken both ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it could be either way, but we're not clear.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, before a fruit killed Amy David was pretty clear.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was trying to help him find his body.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now I don't think he is trying to help him anymore, but I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess we'll find out next week.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... said botanomy carry and clarker and the elevator panicking about fukiyama their paranoid and they think he's gonna eat them and all this and that was uh... kind of uncomfortable i mean that's okay actually what i can't what i kind of realized after i was done in the first time watching this and not like he can then i was watching it a second time is this episode is filled with a lot of uncomfortable emotions there's
[SPEAKER_03]: paranoia, betrayal, fear, uncertainty, disconnection between characters that we like to see together panic.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one thing about Legion normally, especially in the first season, it kind of gives you the feeling of what it's like to be schizophrenic.
[SPEAKER_03]: You feel crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: This episode gives you the feeling of what it's like to be panicked and jealous and all these negative feelings that they're exploring.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that part of my negative reaction is just those aren't nice feelings to have, you know, and if you're dropped in the middle of it, it's like, I don't like this, but if I take a step back, I actually, I mean, I wouldn't want every episode to be this way, but I kind of appreciate it because
[SPEAKER_03]: I think most shows they have their tone and they kind of repeat it every week.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you get similar feelings if you're watching comedy, you get to laugh.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're watching walking dead, you get to feel afraid for the characters.
[SPEAKER_03]: With Legion, it takes you on a roller coaster ride of craziness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's different kinds of crazy and this week it was a lot of things that you know there's jealousy in my life sometimes there's paranoia and fear and betrayal and I hate all that stuff when it happens to me so it's not comfortable to feel but as long as it's not like this every week I can kind of appreciate it being like this for for one week I think I don't know what do you think of all that that I just said
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, there's bad feelings, but I think that's what probably makes some of this kind of relatable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are bad feelings in life.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are all of those types of emotions that, you know, all of us one way or another on every piece of the spectrum there probably fell as far as, you know, paranoia and betrayal and jealousy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea doesn't always have to be negative.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it started out as, you know, a little bit positive and then kind of went a little negative in this episode, but it doesn't always have to be a negative.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, especially they made those ground rules and that's like that's nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can help each other feel safe and then he broke the ground rules and it doesn't matter that it's said.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that was what the ground rules were established in the knowledge that he's going to see if you just said and then he still broke them, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because what was the rule that
[SPEAKER_00]: like if if she needs a hug.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're making out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that was pretty clearly not what Sid had in mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the ground and I'm not justifying behavior because I'm not saying it was okay for him to break the rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that if this was like they're good by like they're not going to see each other anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the ground rules are established from if you continue to see her and visit her.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what the ground rules are.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I see how your mind works.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can rationalize and make out session as long as Okay, got it anyway anyway, what's your number four?
[SPEAKER_00]: My number four is autonomy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that it was interesting to see him, you know, how this delusional egg kind of got like reawakened within him and how, you know, we got that really creepy scene of the vermillion coming up under the sheets.
[SPEAKER_00]: That really creeped the hell out of me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it
[SPEAKER_00]: whatever it woke up inside of him caused him to go around planting those delusion eggs like around everyone else and getting everyone impacted and and then we see him at the end you know we see we get all this stuff in the middle where he's fighting with carry and stuff we don't seem a whole lot in the episode but then we get we see him at the end
[SPEAKER_00]: that creepy delusion creature, I don't know, column chickens or just whatever the hell you want to call on those tar covered creatures.
[SPEAKER_00]: Essentially, like, just crawls out of him and essentially kills him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was more of like, you know, how in David pops that creature out of, uh, Sid and Clark's foreheads, it seemed to be in a psychic manner, but this thing seemed to like physically crawl out of him, not like psychicly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought maybe it was just about
[SPEAKER_03]: how long it had been just stating that it had grown so much that it had a physical impact whereas those other ones just got into them the night before so he could pull them out without any physical impact maybe I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean clearly this thing was with him longer because we saw him get infected, you know, many, many episodes ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this thing has obviously had time to incubate a lot longer than the others so they've done less damage.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it looked like it really left a physical, like it looked like he had some visible, like it tore through his spine and his back as what it looked like.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they said we can save his mind, which means suggest that his body's gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I mean, it now it's fused to this computer slash tree.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think if they hadn't done something, he would have just been dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I agree that it was killing him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it was, and that's why thought it was interesting that this seemed to be more of a physical thing for him than it was like psychic for like the others because it had more time to incubate and become more of a part of him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was both because I actually don't think the vermillion were in his bed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could be wrong, listeners, correct me if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think the whole point is that this thing was causing them to have delusions and that it was turning them against Fugillama and the vermillion, making them think that they were bad, even though they're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know that it was real.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just know what's creepy is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whether it was real or not, it was just that the whole vision of her crawling up through the sheets that way was it was creepy as hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the one vermillion that was standing outside of that cafeteria that they were standing at and she just stops and looks around smiles.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, oh, it's like the worst attempt at a smile.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was horrible, but I just think that it was sad because Potonomy I felt was a real I don't think we've seen the last of him I don't I just feel that he was really under under developed and we didn't get to see him very much the season and I think he could be a really interesting character and do a lot with him and I I don't know where they're gonna move forward and I think in Legion no one is really dead
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, when they say that they're dead, clearly his mind is living on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that means in this, um, in this main frame and with this creepy matrix grandma, it is shishing him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, I thought she was kind of creepy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was weird that she was there, but I just, I found her creepy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was just me though.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, that's
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not covering, no, no knitting, no creepy grandma's shushing me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I want to get to know him more, and I hope that this is actually the jumping off point for more focus on him, even though his body seems to be incapacitated because I like the actor, and I think what we've seen of him, especially in season one, was really interesting, and I feel like he's getting the short shift right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a shame.
[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe not, you know, maybe now, I mean, it does seem like they're not saying, okay, we're shunting him aside, because especially with the creepy grandma, it's like, oh, there's something up there, so maybe they'll explore it later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's a shame that what we've seen so far, he's just, I don't think we've seen this both potential, but I think that's happening with a lot of characters this season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like Melanie, I mean, I always wonder if that actor's left the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or something, we haven't even seen her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we saw just a flash of hers as Fikyami's kind of doing his little slideshow of what's happening, you know, in D-III and you see, you know, what's happening to the flash of her.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's all that you see.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, looks like she's drinking out of its water, vodka, whatever she's drinking from in glass.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, we only need you in for five minutes this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lay on the bed and take a drink.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, my number four is this delusion monster parasite thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: We first saw that in one of the John Hamm little instructional educational things and it seemed to be a metaphor for what happens when how delusions form.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have the thought that gets perverted and in isolation and whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: and then we saw them manifest on the psychic space, sometimes you'd see them, but also in the real world, like, yeah, the one crawled into the pitonum he's room, and I did we see it go into his ear, maybe I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't clear if it was still a metaphor, an actual creature, or some combination, like a creature that's some kind of mutant manifestation for delusion or cause of delusional thoughts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's an actual creature that gives you delusional thoughts.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we don't know where it came from.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it has anything to do with
[SPEAKER_03]: for oak because for million one of the vermillion said traders working in service of the shadow king david said no something else so at least he thinks it's not related to for oak and well at least in the comics you get villains showing up from all over the place so it makes sense that they're not they don't all have to be related
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think this thing was poisoning them against for a million and Fookyama.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was making them, because now remember, I forget how this came about, but in one episode, we saw inside Fookyama's mask and it was, now I think it was that creature, just a big one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we saw it again in this one too, making them think that he was evil and turning against him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I think that was all just a delusion and that it was kind of cool actually that they made him take his mask off and he's just Japanese guy who that's what you would expect.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has one of those neck head brace things on it's called a halo brace.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think the creature part of that was just a hallucination and that all the stuff where their paranoid about him was just a manifestation of
[SPEAKER_03]: what that delusion monster did to them and then I really really I think probably my favorite scene played a clip from it at the beginning of the episode was when David pulls it aside somehow maybe into the psychic space or whatever and tries to reason with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you just go home like I'm dealing with some other stuff right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I loved how he just made himself bigger and it got smaller.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that was that was great.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wonder if that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, okay, we're done with that thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of hope so we never find out where it came from.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be fine with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it would be okay to not know, but it makes me wonder if, because we hear Sydney tell Lenny that she's just a distraction that went through because done to her by killing Amy and bringing Lenny back is some sort of distraction to maybe throw David off balance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's true or not, but it makes me wonder if this whole delusion thing is also supposed to serve as some sort of distraction, and it doesn't necessarily come from for Rook, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there another, like you said, villains can kind of come out of nowhere from the comics.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not just all about one villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's lots of villains.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just kind of pop in and out out of anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: So is this going to introduce some other type of villain or source threat that we don't yet know about the outside of fur because fur is all we've known since season one is there
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they trying to somehow introduce another threat right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, maybe they won't explain it, maybe there's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a question that I had that maybe it was a distraction, but a distraction from what and for what purpose and from who?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it could be, it could just be some kind of interdimensional being came to our world somehow, tried to fuck with everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just wanted to stir some shit out.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it smashed them, then defeated them.
[SPEAKER_03]: yeah it happened in the comics that you know there's every month there's a new threat so it could be possible alright which year number three
[SPEAKER_00]: My number three is David and the two Sidney's and we've talked a little bit about it already but some some things that I was you know kind of observing while I'm watching and we talked a little bit about you know Sid being upset you know when they're when they're in bed and she is upset that David won't talk to her and open up to her about what happened to Amy
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I kind of see both sides, you know, she wants to get him to, you know, try to communicate and talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think for him, it's still too fresh.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's still too traumatized, hasn't had time to really process.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly what happened in maybe that's why he isn't ready yet to talk to her about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: She, of course, suggests talking to future Sid.
[SPEAKER_00]: he's surprised by it and you know he's thinking you know is it and I'm wondering is it just a passing thought like is she just kind of upset that he's not talking to her so she's like well why don't you just go talk to future sit about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah if you're not going to talk to me that's what she said so that was where there was a little edge to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm like, okay, did she really mean that or she just kind of up saying it because she's upset that he won't talk to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's like, well, fine, if you don't talk to me, maybe we'll go talk to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he seems kind of surprised by it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when he's like, let you're okay with that, she's like, why would not be okay with that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like, why do you even need to ask that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, well, that kind of dope to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, he's almost fanning the fire a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like, why would you think I'm jealous?
[SPEAKER_03]: Should I be jealous?
[SPEAKER_03]: And then she goes, are you physical with her?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't answer and she's like, David.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he did not make the situation even better.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, she might have been a little bit jealous, but I think that she wasn't jealous until he said something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she might have been a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it really does.
[SPEAKER_00]: She did not look very jealous to me because she's like, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: She did say, she did say, she did say, she did say, if, yeah, if you're not going to talk to me, that felt like it had a little edge.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think fanning the flame is a good metaphor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like maybe she was a little matchstick worth jealous and then he turned it into a big bonfire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he kind of made it worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like though that how they both kind of acknowledge that it's weird, you know, their whole situation and that there's no handbook for that type of situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they were willing to have like a real human moment and actually at least communicate about it that they were able to set some ground rules that, you know, okay, if we're going to deal with this since what it's going to be, then let's have some ground rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like in one way that they're having this, it's like a strategy session, since they're the only two that no David is visiting a future Sydney, and this messed up future, but it turns into this conversation between a boyfriend and his jealous girlfriend, and they lay down these ground rules for the visits.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's what Noah Holly does so well, is figure out how to find out how real people would respond to these weird situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he doesn't really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I like that they get to that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, they come to conclusion, they set the ground rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're okay with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they start, you know, to enclose their eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he tells, they would tell Sidney, he loves her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she doesn't respond.
[SPEAKER_00]: And David's like, are you gonna say it to?
[SPEAKER_00]: She just kind of whisper shut up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like they didn't have the honeymoon phase here.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit, but then she says, I love you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a sweet moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: She meant it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it reminds me of the moment in season one.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Sydney was helping get David out of D three and that big battle that was happening, that super cool battle that we got in season one in episode one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says the same to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're getting ready to get on this boat and all of them are down.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're risking him Melanie of autonomy and all of them are down there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, because he's kind of freaking out and he goes, are you real?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, I'm real.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is real, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I came back for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, I love you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, okay, and he goes, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's like a pause.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, you're gonna say it too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes, I love you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of goes back to season one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sweet little call back to that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's also a good reminder that people need to hear the words.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you love someone, you should tell them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you know, the person loves you, you know, through actions, I think words are important too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can tell that David needed to hear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he smiled when he looked at her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was important in that moment for it to be said between them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was super sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we get that sweet moment between current Sydney and David.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then with future Sydney, we've talked a little bit about her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if it was a little bit of a reverse psychology.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe for her to say that she asked too much of him when he sells that he can't help freaking anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: She does ask further goodbye.
[SPEAKER_00]: David is of course instantly breaking the rules that he set with current said and you know, she tells him just live and make good choices.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if she truly meant that or if that was reverse psychology move.
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounded very much like passive aggressive reverse psychology to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't it's too much to ask you to help me with my little apocalypse.
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see it both ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I know I just I can see it both ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just needs the way she played it to me seemed like.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you are critical of the women.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this week I feel pretty critical, especially of future Sid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I could definitely understand current Sid being a jealous because that would be totally weird, especially the way David handled it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not really feeling critical of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I presented it in my number five as as feeling critical because it was uncomfortable feeling but I realized later that that's kind of what the episode was going for.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I really had to think that um future sit was being passive aggressively with David and David's all kinds of fucked up.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not just like blaming it, blaming everything on her, but in that one instance, yeah, I didn't like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: David is all kind of fucked up, but he was about the most sane one in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was my number three.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: My number three is, where is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Trying to figure out what fruit is doing because he killed Amy and I still don't really understand why he did that when David was already trying to help and find his body.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, on one hand, I'm like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, David, you're all powerful.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is taking you so long to do this?
[SPEAKER_03]: But still, he was on his side.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now that fruit did that, he's at war with fruit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he doesn't want to help him anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's said he's not going to help him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so now fruit is provoking him by saying, oh, you didn't like your sister anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she put you in a asylum like a crazy person.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, you're the one who made him crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: He were a passenger in his body and he fucked it him for his whole life.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then telling him, you know, sending him to the kitty table, which I actually thought was pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that he's at the kitty table.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the kids are even dismissive of him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Doriam and maybe he'll leave.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then tries to turn him against his sister.
[SPEAKER_03]: She laughed at you.
[SPEAKER_03]: David the dancing bear, and then he assumed Shadow King creates an image of her and she's laughing at him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whoa!
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't laugh at me!
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he's totally provoking him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder how much there is to that about trying to make him take off his mask manifest his full power.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that the whole point of this trying to bring out David's
[SPEAKER_03]: full potential for some reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only way it makes sense for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that that is the answer, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me as to why he would provoke David in the way David is supposed to be a very powerful mutant capable of.
[SPEAKER_00]: some big time like ruled why destruction and why would he try to bring him to his side help you know I need your help to find my body why would he in turn turn turn turn David away from him or not want to help him by killing his sister and I can only think that he's trying to bring that out in today but he
[SPEAKER_00]: He keeps telling David to rise above.
[SPEAKER_00]: God's don't follow the rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: We make the rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something repetitive that we keep hearing over and over again.
[SPEAKER_00]: He keeps throwing out these challenges to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he once David to rise above.
[SPEAKER_00]: And David has chosen now he's very angry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but it hasn't brought I think his full potential out in heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's I think for some reason what he's trying to do, but I'm not sure why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I still also do think that probably or possibly he wants to use that device so that he could be inside David's body.
[SPEAKER_03]: So maybe he's trying to make David manifest his full powers and then jump into his
[SPEAKER_03]: fully powerful body.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you would think that for root could somehow, you know, just because those powers are within David and in his DNA, that he would be able to manifest those himself if he's in having his body full of statements.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know either.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's what they kind of imply a little bit with for root.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fruit even just as a mind as this physical or this psychic being without his mind, he's very powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: but they said that with his body he's going to be very almost unstoppable because the the mutation is within his DNA so he'll be even more powerful with his body and that's what of course they're trying to prevent by him pairing up with his body and you know by using David's body he would have all of these powers and I don't know that he needs David to manifest them before he he wants his body to overtake it
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the only thing that makes me thinking might need David to manifest them is because he's provoking him so much and trying to get him to come into his full power.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only reason why I think that might be a possibility.
[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, why kill his sister when he's already helping you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, if what you're saying is right that he could just go into his body no matter what David's mindset is, then why do all this?
[SPEAKER_03]: So there could be some other reason for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it makes him more unstable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe if it like the comics, where he's a little bit more multiple personalities and a little bit off balance, maybe him not being as calm and settled.
[SPEAKER_00]: As he is right now, where he does have some pretty strong powers, we got to see some of those powers again this episode and see him use them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe he seems a little more calm and centered, maybe by manifesting all of these great powers that he has, he becomes a little bit more off balance and unsettled and easier to take over.
[SPEAKER_00]: or something I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe he's easier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's like, well, is the fences are down or his integrity is not as strong or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then I don't remember if I'm missing something, but I don't know how Shadow King knows that David has been communicating with future Sid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Had did we see that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I, oh gosh, I would have to go back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that it was mentioned somehow in reference.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like it must have been, but because he does know, and that's the whole point of him creating this, like, time machine car, psychic time machine, where he's like, routing, yeah, this green or pink, glowing fluid from one end to the car to the other, which look like what you do, if you're going to kill yourself, you like, route the exhaust into the cabin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, so then he goes to see Future Sid and That was interesting because What was really interesting is I think he went just to find out why David was helping her and trying to help him and He didn't even know until that moment that David in the future becomes the uber villain that destroys the world and
[SPEAKER_03]: and he finds out, and I like that, and he's really tickled by it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my God, they call me the villain and look at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seems quite pleased.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't seem to mind it all that there's- He got killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, by the way, you're dead, and he's like, eh, it's- He's logic doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says, you know, when someone dies, and they don't have any errors, the state gets their belongings, because the state's the one who wrote the law, and it's
[SPEAKER_03]: It's rigged the rules of rigged for the state and I'm the state baby or whatever he said Yeah, but you're yeah, but if you're dead then you know you're gonna be dead But he's but he's not because he's still psychic legal is living on his mind is still living even without his body So he's just Mr. Confident and cool no matter what
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he seems so fascinated about just David and his potential, like this, and him reaching this particular, he seems more excited about that than worried about, oh, David killed me, okay?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which is cool because he did spend a lot of time with David years and years and years, so that's pretty, pretty interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so then he finds that out and it looks like he tries to strike a deal with Future Sid and I assume that she said yes to that because like I said, she's been trying to get David to help for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get his body back so he can stop David.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now if she has access to Forrook, she can try and make that happen even more effectively.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would think.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your number two?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, my number two, you covered a lot of what was already in my number two and that was for Root Meets Future Sid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like this whole interaction between them and the only few things that I'll add.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked the intrigue about for about he just didn't seem phased at all about the possibility of being killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seems more interested in David becoming the supervillain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like how he, you know, is going around saying the villain is the hero in the villain or the hero is the villain, you know, talking about David who's the hero who becomes the villain fruit who everyone for centuries have called him the villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's the hero that needs to save everyone from this impending apocalypse that Future Sidney is talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: and Sid says maybe we're all villains and I think if anything that's closer to the truth because David is so potentially unstable and we've seen him do some pretty horrific things in the series but I don't care what up till now I would never see fruit as a hero
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but he's you know, he he doesn't see himself as a villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've had that conversation before and I'm not saying that he is a hero or he's not a villain, but he doesn't see himself as a villain.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, but in this episode he actually referred to people as ants, which is how I just I don't think he'd done that before, but that's how I describe him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He may not see himself as a villain, but he sees everyone else's ants that he can just smash and they don't matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's a villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no question that he is a villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't see himself that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he thinks himself as a god.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's all powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's almost exterior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've established that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't see himself that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not necessarily.
[SPEAKER_03]: He sees and does a victim to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they're coming after me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, like he's been oppressed by everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I really enjoyed this whole scene because it's the first time that we've gotten to see this actor and for Rook interact with someone other than Oliver and Lenny and while all of those scenes are always really great, I think all of these actors have some really great chemistry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great to see him interact with someone other than Oliver and Lenny and David, sorry, and always interact with David as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was cool to see this in between them too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that both actors had really great chemistry together as they're talking and they're kind of circling around that chair and they're only both saying as much as what they need to to each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both being manipulative.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're both being clever and only saying things that as much as what they need to to the other.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just really like that scene with them and it was interesting to see for who with someone other than Oliver Lenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: or David.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it worked really well between them too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was only what I wanted to say in addition to what you had already mentioned about those two together.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I enjoyed it too.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is an criticism of the show, but it bothers me to see a guy who I know is not a good person have some kind of psychological or emotional effect on a good person, and especially when it's a man and a woman, and you could tell that she was
[SPEAKER_03]: intimidated by him I guess and maybe I don't know do you think she was a little turned on or not really when he touched her I don't think she was turned on at all I think that she was no I felt that she was scared internally I think she was scared but she was probably I think internally squirming I think I think she was scared of him I'm feel ashamed I even thought that at all I mean I didn't think it for sure but I kind of wondered a little
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so much of this show is open for interpretation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're wrong for feeling that or anything or thinking that, but I didn't get that from her at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she was trying to put on a brave face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and she needs him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she does need him, so I didn't think that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he did, even if there was no turn on there, definitely, the way he has such command of the situation and confidence and swagger,
[SPEAKER_00]: He's very charismatic.
[SPEAKER_03]: He could be a cold leader, yeah, and I think that definitely had an effect on her and it was great to watch how it played out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we don't know that they had any type of, I mean, because she told David that he killed Ferruc a week from when he first met Future Sid and they were talking, she's like, you kill Ferruc like a week from now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't know that she's had any type of interaction with him before that, I mean, and within that week before he killed Ferruc, you know, so this could be the very first time that she's ever met him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was probably very much intimidated, because he is still a very powerful mutant on his own right, and clearly a villain, and she should be scared.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that she was trying to put on a brave face, a brave friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just how I got that whole situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he is very charismatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, villain or not, he's very smooth, very charismatic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think has a way of trying to bring people to his side.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a good argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: or he thinks is a good argument.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't see myself falling for that ever.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's carrot and no matter how charismatic you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: But who knows if you're in the middle of it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, my number what two is moral panic, which is this week's John Hamm narration he says.
[SPEAKER_03]: Moral panic is defined as public anxiety or alarm in response to a perceived threat to the moral standards of society.
[SPEAKER_03]: The road to Moral panic has several stops, the first is concern.
[SPEAKER_03]: This concern limited at first spreads from person to person, amplified by cultural forces until rational concern becomes irrational fear.
[SPEAKER_03]: People come to believe something terrible is happening, something they cannot see, that they can't control, it has come for others, it will come for them.
[SPEAKER_03]: whether or not the threat is real the response certainly is and it's often excessive and then you see that which get hanged right at that moment and then he goes ask yourself what's more terrifying fear and then you see all those villagers who had been looking at the witch and then he goes or the frightened and then they look at you the viewer as if you were next
[SPEAKER_03]: and personally I just love that whole message because I agree I think that people often are too quick to just jump on the bandwagon when they're afraid.
[SPEAKER_03]: and judge things or not approach a situation with an open eyes and open heart and to see what's actually there but instead to put it through this filter of cultural fears and stuff like that and just come to it closed and shut off and from a place of fear and then wanna shut stuff down or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like kind of a sucker for no Holley's message.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could tell that
[SPEAKER_03]: I think anyway, he and I are on a similar wave like because I also liked how he debunked conspiracy theory kind of last time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is related.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's about irrational fears letting it, you know, kind of blow up in your head and take over.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I also felt like it's getting a little preachy like it's almost like he's next thing, you know, he's going to start talking about politics or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's hope not, but let's hope not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know the exact saying, so I'm kind of paraphrasing a little bit, but isn't something like one person isn't a threat, but like people are a threat, kind of like the mob in Rome, you know, at the, you know, at the, you know, at the, you know, at the gladiator arena, you know, it's like one person, you know, can be completely irrational and be fearful, but when you get a group of people, that's, that's when it's trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that there was kind of a message about that earlier in the season two, talking about like the, you know, those strange ticks out spreads, you know, one person, it might be something but how quickly spreads and spreads and that was kind of like what happens here, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It starts out little.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is about fierce spreading.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And did you see what they were kind of talking about a little bit as they were going through that whole narration about, you know, how the fear spreads when you see the mom looking at the little boy reading the comic on the floor and then it goes from just her and her concern to the concern of many.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were actually referencing, I think, a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The public hearings about the comic books.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Read up on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: I already knew about it because I'm a huge comic nerd.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so in the fifties, there was the psychiatrist Frederickworthum who published this book called Seduction of the Innocence and it's kind of infamous among comic fans because it was warning that comics were negative and they were corrupting young minds and they were a serious cause of juvenile delinquency
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like really taken seriously at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so there were these U.S.
[SPEAKER_03]: Congressional, there was a U.S.
[SPEAKER_03]: Congressional inquiry launched in comic book industry.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the comics code authority was formed.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was voluntary self-censoring of comic books.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's this little symbol that I saw all as a kid on all the comics.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in the two thousands I think starting in two thousand one or at least Marvel comics in two thousand one got rid of that and then it took all the way until two thousand eleven but then DC got rid of it to and now comics are much more interesting and they can be adult and have but they were afraid for decades because because of this and looking back on it to me I don't know I mean I guess yeah you got to watch out where your kids get into but this was a bit ridiculous
[SPEAKER_03]: And it kind of reminds me of the whole McCarthyism thing with trying to catch communist and just, you know, there's this whole cultural paranoia about something and everybody jumps on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was definitely before my time, but I mean, I think we've all, you know, just censorship in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I remember, you know, in my day it was, you know, the PMRC and, you know, going against music.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember the whole parents, parents, music resource center led by, I think it was typical where and had the hearings against, you know, certain albums that they needed to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: censored and they end up slapping labels on some that they, you know, contain content, parental advisory stickers on record labels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there was a congressional hearing about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was, that was what I remember in my day for music.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so games to kind of remind me of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not black and white, but it can go too far.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can't go too far.
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, that all feeds into this whole moral panic idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shortest.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's your number one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one is, we'll similar to what John Hamm, as our narrator, throughout the season, so far asks what have we learned.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a couple things that I had listed not too many, but just a few things like what, and we talked about it was what was under Fikyam's basket.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at his face.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we saw that he is an older gentleman with scars in this type of dimension, this halo head gear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was not quite, I mean, he is kind of what you would think, but because we didn't know you're left to interpret, but he just looked like an old scared man, you know, with scars and thinking that, you know, he could be just like an innocent victim as well, whatever it was that happened to him that created him, you know, sounded pretty awful, so he just looked old and scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what did they say?
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a computer or a machine transplanted into his head or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and now he just is, you know, what he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they are him and he created the romance.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could communicate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but at least we got to see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it wasn't like the creepy, delusional bird chicken thing that we thought, you know, that we've been led to believe that he was evil.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just a scared, scared older gentleman.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and then we learned that David, to me, question mark, because I don't know, I know that that's what they're alluding to, is the feature threat that feature said has been alluding to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do we know for sure, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, it was never spoken aloud, but they did show the silhouette of David to indicate that it's him.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's him.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I want to mention to why you're talking about Fukuyama that that fits in really good with this whole thing because that actually this was great timing for this because throughout this whole time his face has been a mystery because he's had this wicker basket on his head and he's a little like creepy and weird and he talks through these and drogenous vermillion and they're kind of weird because they have mustaches but they're women and they all have the same haircut
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the perfect target for this little delusion chick thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because when you want to stoke fears, want to stoke moral panic, the target is going to be something that's unfamiliar.
[SPEAKER_03]: And because it's unfamiliar or unknown, it's going to be scary to people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so they'll be more likely to jump to judgment if there's some fear stoked about it, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why I like all this counter culture stuff going to Burning Man.
[SPEAKER_03]: You see freaks everywhere and you get used to being open to that and actually seeing the creativity.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why when I first saw these were a million, I was like, oh, that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's a side of me that's like, oh, those are weird freaks, but there's another side that's like, hey, let your freak flag fly, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: And so anyway, I just like that they held off on
[SPEAKER_03]: really letting us get to know Admiral Fukiyama or any of these vermillion too much so that they would have that creepy vibe to them so that when this whole paranoia struck I mean I didn't know for sure until the end of the episode that they were actually not bad that it was just this whole idea of moral panic that played
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and it makes sense to make them a target because the unknown can be scary.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they are an easy target to make them seem like they are maybe not what they seem or that they're maybe not all on the up and up because they are so mysterious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's not a lot known about Fikiyama or the vermillion.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it makes them an easy target, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really interesting to think about how, I don't know if anyone has seen the pictures of the actresses that play the vermillion, they are these most beautiful, gorgeous women ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you slap these really short, like they all have the same haircut, these wigs, and slap these mess dashes on their faces.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just look awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are not attractive at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but what if they wanted to look like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing is, you know, it's culturally accepted.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're not real.
[SPEAKER_03]: People that make themselves, I know they're not real, but in real life, you know, what if there was a girl who, oh, if you put her in a nice dress and beautiful makeup, then she would look so gorgeous, but now she looks awful.
[SPEAKER_03]: What if she just wants to look like that?
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, I think there should be more room for accepting things off the beaten path.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look, hey, I'm totally accepting of, you know, hey, I'm a freak.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I totally, in support of whatever people want to do, I just think it's really interesting that they, they just look so indrogenous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least in some way, at least for facial features that they don't look very attractive, but whenever you see them without, you know, these wigs and, and just something so simple, that's all it takes is just this wig and this, this must-app.
[SPEAKER_00]: to make them seem so unattractive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those porn stashes just don't do it for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But hey, if that's what they chose to look like, then I'm all for.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you choose to do that, I'm okay with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not being judgmental.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying it's just really interesting to see how attractive these women are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that we get to see some of that because they're in those awesome body stockings.
[SPEAKER_00]: And man, are they rocking those body stockings when they're dragging autonomy through the main frame and they lean him up against that tree to hook him up.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they got some booty going in those body stockings and they look pretty high.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, some other things that we learn, we talk a little bit about David.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's probably a pretty safe assumption that it's David, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that we can say it a hundred percent because it wasn't said out loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think at this point, I don't believe anything until I see it or see it and believe it and believe it and see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which everything you want to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we learn that the fear of a perceived threat can become a greater threat to reality than the focus of that fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we already talked about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was my number one is just what have we learned.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, say that again?
[SPEAKER_03]: The fear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's like that little moment where all the villagers focus on the viewer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that they are more of a threat, natural fear and self.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I totally believe that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think what we learn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the people hang in the witches.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're the ones to be afraid of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: The mob, I feel is is more fearful than what they're actually afraid of.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, my number one was Petonomy, which we already covered pretty well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you have any notes?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a couple notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was interesting that it looks like whatever, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like an astral plane, but wherever they are, wherever the future sit is, whenever the shadow king, when for visits her, and when David visits her, it seems like their powers don't work there.
[SPEAKER_00]: She tells for Rook that you can't hurt me here, I hope you know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Sydney touches David with no fear, like, you know, they can kiss, they can touch, skin to skin, and nothing happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just thought that was interesting that wherever they are that they're power plants.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah on the astral plane.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean we know that fruit doesn't have a physical presence so it's probably on some mental plane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or it's in the the orb that that she was in that Sydney's inside that orb.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess if that orb is like a neutral territory, I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some funny moments I thought when fruit left David and the astral plane like he said he meant he left him at the kitty table.
[SPEAKER_00]: David in those school boy shorts and tall socks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was just hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could just I think we need to see more of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that image of him leaving Amy behind to laugh maniacally at David was just absolutely cruel and just another way to get to David in, you know, some, some way whatever it is that Frank is doing, whatever his plans are was just another little attack, but I thought it was so cruel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I liked it that we got to see female carry again.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was kicking some ass with the vermillion.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we got to see her as we love her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, except she was blowing them away because of her delusion, even though it turns out they were the good guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's not at least I think that's what it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but they were regenerating regenerating regenerating regenerating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're just
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when Clark is walking down the hall and the vermillion are following him, and it's doing that little game of stopping go, the little bogging vermillion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can just picture them dancing, but you never got to see it, because you're just frozen mid-vogue.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's all my notes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, mine David, when he appeared in front of Botanomy, when Botanomy was about to shoot Admiral Fikyama and he goes, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: he's just so masterful with his powers now teleporting it and then he turned his gun into a broom you mentioned he showed more powers we don't know if he did that or maybe he just made baton me think it was a broom but either way it was um it was pretty cool yeah and then what else fruit he refers to himself as the king of shadows I like that it's like just a little turn of phrase poetic way of saying it
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, Lenny, she's in a cell and it seems like she's kind of fucking around with Sid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Isn't it crazy?
[SPEAKER_03]: We were both inside David.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but and Sid doesn't believe that she's Lenny.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're just working for the Shadow King.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that made me doubt too, which is what the show does all the time, but it's like, maybe that whole thing was a farcer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably it is Lenny because Lenny's known to have a kind of a sassy attitude.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to think about Lenny because it's like she knows more than what she's letting on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like one minute she acts like she knows nothing and then the next minute she knows more than what she's saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what to think about her yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can't really trust her, but I do think it is Lenny, and she even admitted that she was sort of there working for Shadow King, but she also did one of visit David because then she and each other in a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: She says for rape to her over and over again, and kept her in the basement of his mind, and I don't even know if we can believe that, but it's possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we just don't know for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: She could be trying to manipulate Sid or she could have been telling the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully we find out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, now it's time for the news.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, news for this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a couple of items that we have.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first item comes from AVClub.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: So no Holly has steadily been assembling a pretty stellar cast for pale blue dot his first feature film.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about it a little bit already in some earlier news items in the podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we already know Natalie Portman and John Hamm have signed on for the project.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was announced this week that Dan Stevens, of course, we know him as David Holler has been added to the cast and will portray Portman's husband.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, super cool that we're going to get some additional legion folks and some, you know, great casting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just hope it's not David howly going.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, Legion got canceled, but I'm gonna give you guys jobs.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's not think about that and just be positive.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least that's what I'm hoping for anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Always good to see people working.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, next item is from Express.co.uk.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was an interview with, uh, an, an avade, Nikoban, who plays Amalfa Ruk.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was speaking a little bit about about embodying the role that had previously been played by both Dan Stevens and Aubrey Plaza.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he says,
[SPEAKER_00]: They provided the blueprint because they were possessed by the shadow king in the first season.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when I came on board I had to study the movements and their behaviors and I tried to incorporate that into my work.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually both of them were very kind and generous with their time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They sat down and they talked about their journey and how they saw the character.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to respect their take of the shadow king and try to incorporate that into my work.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just hope that I do justice to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nagoban said, per trying for Rook on Legion was an amazing challenge.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I love about Legion is that it is a very intelligent show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a how that makes you question, or it's a show, sorry, that makes you question your every move, and all the noises in your head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nagoban agrees that the Shadow King's motivations stem from the fact that the audience only knows him through the character's interpretations.
[SPEAKER_00]: He adds, he has never been looked at who he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who he is, not what they say, he is, will slowly be revealed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it for the news.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's move on to mental notes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll go first.
[SPEAKER_03]: Steve Brown says ostensibly on Legion.
[SPEAKER_03]: How many David's are in his head?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't talk about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think yeah, these other voices seem to be getting stronger when David's off-kilter would you say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there was just a light, I think there were two boys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there were two boys.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're saying, you know, hey, don't, you know, there's no reason to torture him.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's adorable.
[SPEAKER_03]: But can we even hurt him here?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it sounds like they're not necessarily his friends or their kind of his friends, but they're debating it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it just makes me wonder if they're preparing to move on to full, like, multiple personalities get to a David, which would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they're all stands to even, so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: If talking to yourself and having conversations with yourself means that your schizophrenia, then I'm in trouble.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, should I torture myself?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, let's mean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: He goes on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I find it hard to believe anything fruit says.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if he says David ends up being the villain, I'm going to think the opposite.
[SPEAKER_03]: Potonomy sneaking around while other slept was creepy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, Vogueing for million was more creepy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is just episode seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got four more left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roy Tom's says, David was always going to be the World Killer feature said was referring to, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for Rook just realized he may have been baiting a far superior power than his, but I'm probably wrong because this show is nuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what the hell is the delusion from if not for Rook?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just some random creature that's what I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Matt Heller says this episode was nuts.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would be thinking one thing and then they'd quickly pull the rug out from under me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm curious if this is the end of the monster chicken thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It reminded me of the brood creatures from the X-Men comics.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the brood classic alien creatures.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm also wondering if they're intentionally trying to mislead us, it seems like the catalyst was the big bad, then it seemed like the delusion monsters, or the Minitor, or Fukiyama, or David himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are these important parts of the story, or just more delusions to distract us?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Distractions.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all distortions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Laura Willie's wink says, always late with my feedback.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, you made it just in time, Laura.
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked the horror elements in this episode when the vermillion attacked autonomy from beneath his sheets.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was straight out of the grudge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the inky delusion that sprouted out of his body in the finale was reminiscent of the thing, ooh, good throwback.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what was with the low budget, Jason and the Argonauts style creature FX?
[SPEAKER_00]: Not quite up to par with the rest of the visuals on this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: True.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it weird that I'll be angry if David sleeps with Future Sid?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does it make sense that Sid is jealous of her future self?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did David sleep with Future Sid?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: The moral dilemmas of time travel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's become of autonomy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he a ghost in the show now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or just a fertilizer for a virtual Sequoia?
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, because especially what we learned last episode that, you know, see how different all the different David's were just based on different things that happened in the timeline and how it forked off, because there's branches and branches and branches that, you know, this is a different seed.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if he slept with her then he's totally cheating on his girlfriend, especially when they had that discussion about ground rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I would say.
[SPEAKER_03]: What else did she say?
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't see the grudge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather forget it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing, yeah, totally.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I agree about the effects.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those little, when he plucked him out of the heads, it looked like a little Disney cartoon or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Still a cool idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are on a limited TV budget.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, here's a couple of
[SPEAKER_03]: emails.
[SPEAKER_03]: The same appeared after the atomic bomb exploded in Hiroshima.
[SPEAKER_03]: Permanent shadows of people and plants left behind after the explosion on wall, stairs and floors.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they may have been trying to illustrate just how powerful his blasts are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do a quick search for Hiroshima nuclear shadow.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's both fascinating and sad.
[SPEAKER_03]: From the website, now I know.com, quote, a nuclear bomb explosion works in a similar way.
[SPEAKER_03]: The explosion acts as the sun does in the example above, except that instead of emitting UV rays that emits thermal radiation.
[SPEAKER_03]: The radiation will bleach anything it ends up hitting much like the UV rays cause sunburns, but anything that gets in the way including a soon to be vaporized body will soak up those rays effectively shielding whatever is behind it from the bleaching effect.
[SPEAKER_03]: In a real sense the dead acted as a form of nuclear sunblock resulting in a shadow and printed on objects behind them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a really interesting theory.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it also says sent from my tripod.
[SPEAKER_03]: Except that would mean that the rest of the ground would need to be bleached and I don't think it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you saw them standing there with their shadows behind them and then they were gone but the shadows were still there and the rest of the ground was the same tone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to go back and watch for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think still there might be something to what you're saying that maybe
[SPEAKER_03]: Somehow, yeah, the blast just sort of left an imprint of them behind or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and now I'm depressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I get depressed thinking about just how many people died in those blasts.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I wish there was another way that that could have gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and kind of like how well and if it leaves some sort of like imprint of the people that it it killed and obliterated and how awful that was and then like it kind of reminds me yeah and it's like a Pompeii you know and Pompeii where the the people that were killed in the blast of the volcano like they're like they're left behind there those you know it's just it's awful to think about
[SPEAKER_03]: There's full canos going off and Hawaii right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm viewing out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm out there right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I flew over that volcano in a helicopter, but it wasn't blasting off like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really sad, hopefully everyone is.
[SPEAKER_00]: um next email is the one's cheerier yeah well it she has a very cheerful name is from joy so let's hope this is super cool um she says hello i just wanted to let you know how much i'm enjoying the podcast and that past so yeah so good but it was so emotionally draining that i had to join a pomeranian facebook group to look at cute puppy pictures
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't say that I didn't want ice cream either.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the bald paralyzed David universe, did he zap everyone in the world except his sister into non-existence or... I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot it was the cops and their cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: in the immediate vicinity.
[SPEAKER_03]: But who knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so much as left to interpretation and we don't know for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: That could have been the apocalypse right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe that was it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I find that funny because I had to do something kind of, I had to find something happy to do as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt so, I was just kind of crying and so emotionally drained and felt like the life had been kind of sucked out of me that I had to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't join a permanent Facebook group, but I did have to watch like a happy episode of something to just get my mind off of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which I think speaks a lot about Noah Halle's writing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I always say, I like to be moved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, that is our show episode fifteen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for listening as usual everybody.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like there's going to be a season three.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope.
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