[SPEAKER_06]: You don't trust him.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not... I love what we were and just not sure we're that anymore.
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like I need to say, oh, loud, that your boyfriend is an extremely powerful mutant who could potentially destroy the world if he wanted to, or if, say, you heard his feelings real bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey everybody, welcome to our podcast, I'm Jason.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Rima.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is Legion cast episode, sixteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Legion is my favorite show that I'm podcasting on right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you might have mentioned that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I do I say it on the podcast?
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably have a bunch of times.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you've said it here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you've mentioned it elsewhere or the other podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was podcasting on other shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should listen to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just wanted to say it on this podcast because everybody listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you must like the show too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, this is just super cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's my favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing Westworld, which is awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: and fear which is uneven, sometimes good, sometimes not, but this show just kicks all kinds of ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it better than Westworld because it's warmer and it has more fun playfulness to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's serious, but yeah, it has some lightheartedness to it as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, yeah, it's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I won't say it's not as deep or serious as West role.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just it's just a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as happy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we have a lightness to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I think I have said this on the podcast, but I think Westworld sometimes tries to be it's a little pretentious or something and It tries to be Obscure it feels like sometimes just for the sake of being obscure Whereas Legion is more like we're trying to give you a sense of what it's like to be crazy
[SPEAKER_01]: It does a very good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: After I saw this when I was like, oh shit, I hope Roman knows what that was.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have no idea what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I watched this second time and I think I got a better idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's get into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's on top five highlights for a season two episode eight chapter, sixteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you like it?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked it, but I was a little bit disappointed because it was a little bit slower than what I wanted.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have liked to have had a little bit more of a quicker pace.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I still think it was very beautiful and how it was presented.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we get some great scenery and imagery.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some great music.
[SPEAKER_03]: The same is what we always do with every episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wish it had moved a little bit faster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we're kind of stalled to one of the listeners.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't, I didn't even notice that, maybe if I watched it again with an eye towards that, I would notice, but you're not the only one who thought that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really liked it, and I'm glad I liked it because I was starting to think that I don't like the episodes that deal with the plot of Veruch versus David, and I only liked the ones that are creative tangents.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like multiple personalities David and you know going into Sid's brain or my two favorites this season, but this one I think was you could say plot centered right and I like to lot even though I did know what I was watching the first time
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know what's real.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who's not that I'm enjoying it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wish and I'm glad that we as much as I enjoy the other episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am glad that we kind of got some movement for story and towards the plot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just wish it was just a little bit faster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a little bit slower than what I would have liked.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know it doesn't always have to be action action action, but it just still felt a little slower than what I would have liked.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was good upset.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the plot of this season is pretty simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: David and Frook are both looking for Frook's body, so they have to kind of stretch that over at first ten episodes and now eleven.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Mike guess who knows, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I don't know for sure, but they might not even find it for another couple episodes, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or they might find it and then have some epilogue stuff, I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever watch American Horror Story, Asylum?
[SPEAKER_01]: You did, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one thing I really liked about that, I hope this isn't too spoiler.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's real general about the structure, but it was, you know, however many episodes say, thirteen episodes season.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the story kind of wrapped up in episode ten or eleven and then there were like one or two two or three more episodes after that that were just like what would happen after the story finished almost like an emologue you know and it was really weird because we don't usually get that but it was kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was my favorite season of American Horror Story.
[SPEAKER_01]: If anybody cares.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like murder house.
[SPEAKER_03]: The asylum was good too.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've all been pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still have to watch that last one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I do too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, anyway, God, I'm going on a tangent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, what's your number five for a legion?
[SPEAKER_03]: Number five.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just gonna start off like where we started in the episode, which I feel like I'm trending towards that a lot is David and Sidney.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that we finally got them together.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I always really enjoy their scenes together.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they always have great dialogue.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's always really sweet when we get them together.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, they're talking about, you know, she's asking questions, you know, what do we do now?
[SPEAKER_03]: She's asking him about her future self.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, have you thought about asking me and he just kind of looks at it and he's like, you know, future me?
[SPEAKER_03]: And she kind of is suspicious of him wondering why he doesn't want to talk to her future self.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, are we fighting?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that was kind of a cute little thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every time she asks about futures, I feel like it's in part because she really thinks she could be a resource, but it's also a kind of check and see what's going on between her and David.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't think about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe she's still kind of suspicious because in the last episode, she's kind of like, should I be jealous?
[SPEAKER_03]: So now she's kind of like, well,
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, maybe she is just doing a check.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just thought the scene was really, really sweet.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she finds out that he's not wanting to know how, because she's like, you could just see with her facial expressions.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's just kind of without him even saying anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's just looking at her and she's like, okay, so we're not helping him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't even answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and she's just like, you know, when are you going to tell me all of this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he has all of this going on in his head.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's not really communicating with her at all about what's happening between him and future said.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not communicating.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's changed his mind about helping fruit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's messing up.
[SPEAKER_03]: he's not doing great he's not communicating very well he's holding back and and she knows he's holding back but she doesn't push it so I don't know I just really like the whole scene between them I think that anytime you get them one scene they're just really sweet together and I think that they have a really a really great chemistry between them so I just really enjoyed that whole scene yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what the two actors, I bet you their friends and everything and they're really friendly because it seems like they have good chemistry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I always hope for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of surprising sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You find out two actors hated each other or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of the time I think the actors like each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, yeah, that's my number five as David and Sid and
[SPEAKER_01]: I think lately we've been getting a lot of science that Sid is having doubts about David.
[SPEAKER_01]: like the honeymoon period might be over and here she's telling Clark in the hospital so romantic meeting him I needed that which almost feels like oh you know I was wrapped up in it back then and she said when we escaped into summer land it was addictive and intense and sweet and he's a good person you know and then I love how Clark just has this blank look on his face like I better not show what I really think
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she's like, he tries so hard, which is never a good thing to hear about yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love what we were.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just not sure where that anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, you know, I don't think she's like over him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think things are changing and also he's withholding and she just liked that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's a little rockiness.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it just shows how the relationship has evolved.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she misses, like you said, they're kind of out of that honeymoon period, and they're just evolving in their relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, and there's definitely potential for them to just move into the next phase, which is totally solid.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's, I think it's a little rocky right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's, I'd love to part work.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's back now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on your side asshole.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quit leaving me out.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, let me in and tell me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when she talked to Clark, she said, you know, he's like, I gotta tell you, this must be set out loud that your boyfriend is an incredibly powerful mutant that could destroy the world if you're in a bad mood or something, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can tell that's kind of what's going on in his mind the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a fun little scene between them too, because she's this woman who's having a little trouble in her relationships, confiding in this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's this government operative who's really scared that this
[SPEAKER_01]: out of control mutant is going to destroy the earth and knows that Sid has influence with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's trying to, you know, that's an in-road to try to solve this situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are two such different perspectives, but he's trying very gently to engage her on level where she's in her relationship, even going so far as to talk about his ex-boyfriend that kept trying to get away from him by skydiving, showing a little vulnerability social opener.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it was really
[SPEAKER_03]: cute scene right but I had trouble with that scene though whenever Clark's telling her like you have to walk around eggshells don't upset David because he could destroy the world if he like if you decide to like in the relationship or if you reject him or something that I think that put a lot of pressure on her you know in that way I didn't think that was very fair
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably not, but I think it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: It made me really start to get into Clark's perspective a little more.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I knew that there was this mutant who had a history of mental problems and had enough power to destroy the world, and I don't even know if Clark knows this, but there's a future where apparently he did, that you'd be like, oh my God, I gotta figure out some way to prevent anything bad from happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I, I feel for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I feel, yeah, I feel for him because you could tell like from season one how he acted round David.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was very, you know, he, he definitely interrogated him.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's suspicious and pushed a little bit, but he was still kind of like trying to keep him calm because he could, he could just go off and completely destroy every one and everything around him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we forget because Dan Stevens is so charming and good at being affable that so it's easy to just be like, don't mess with this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a great guy and screw anybody, but it's like, yeah, there's potential there for madness.
[SPEAKER_01]: but anyways so yeah you're right Clark puts a lot of pressure on her but and then she goes I'm gonna go get him and he's like is it because of what I just said that he could destroy the world and she goes no it's because love is what we have to save if we're gonna save the world and that reflects what she'd said a few episodes ago love isn't gonna save us it's what we have to save
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that makes me think, okay, maybe she's feeling some doubt and she's even scared of what he'll do.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says to Clark that he lies and that maybe he doesn't know what's real and what's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I don't even after she said, you know, about saving the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I'm not sure that's what he's gonna do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think she's afraid.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what her goal is is to save it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she hasn't given up on their relationship at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sketchy right now and she wants to try and save it but even then when they are together and they go through that time loop where they see themselves dead and to me that was sort of like a little perspective like not necessarily a wake-up call but it's like you see your new boyfriend or girlfriend and all of a sudden there you are dead
[SPEAKER_01]: And you think about the future and he says we're going to go find a little farm and settle down and grow old and she goes, and die.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how a relationship's end.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she's getting a little pessimistic there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, I think her ultimate goal is that she hopes that they can make it work, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: She's still in love with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's still in love with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: She still has hope, I think, for the relationship.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that she's just probably, like you said, just doubtful because she knows that he's with holding.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not telling her everything he leaves her a note under the door.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, gonna go kill a monster.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really like that scene because she's sitting in her room and that tea kettle is going.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is like that tea kettle that she played that game with herself.
[SPEAKER_03]: When she was telling David that while he was away for that whole year, that's the game that she played with herself and she'd hold her breath.
[SPEAKER_03]: She could hold her breath for as long as until the tea kettle went off.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I like that she opened that note and read it and that's when the tea kettle went off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that was about hoping he would return within that time, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: From where he'd or that he was in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, so I really liked that little throwback that we had and I like how she was like, you know, not again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not doing this again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to sit here and let you just go off again, which granted it wasn't really by his choice when he was like scooped into that orb, however you want to call it transported into that orb and was gone for a year that wasn't necessarily his choice to be gone, but she still had to deal with it whether his choice or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, this time she's like, nope, not happening again.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going off and you're not leaving me.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we see how it's affected Melanie with all of her, you know, being gone and how what it's done to her and she made that choice to go after him and I really like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that definitely tells me that she has not given up.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's, you know, going to say, I'm on your side and I'm here and we're going to do this together.
[SPEAKER_01]: right, which is, yeah, that's where she's been.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like that Clark said his ex lover kept jumping out of planes to get away from him and she jumps out of a plane to get closer to David, which was kind of a fun way for her to pop into the scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love that scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's super fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very superheroy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what's your number four?
[SPEAKER_03]: My number four is autonomy in the mainframe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just kind of short and sweet, but I really like the visuals.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like seeing him kind of interacting.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems that he's not quite like he's inside of it, but he's not quite a part of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's able to like poke around and see different things similar to the way that Fikiyami does and scrolling from like
[SPEAKER_03]: thing the thing and like you know how Fikkiyami just seems to like spy I think of it like spying like he could just scroll through and spy on different scenes and baton means able to tap into that and he finds the monk left behind because we saw the monk oh gosh many many episodes ago I can't even remember which episode it was but several episodes back whenever he's all wired into the main frame he's kind of hacking into Fikkiyami's
[SPEAKER_03]: I think of the main frame and Fikkiyami being one and the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the vermillion, they're all like networked in there together.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, like they're all the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're all hooked up together and we saw the monk all hooked up with the wires and stuff and how he was hacking into the mainframe.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're still a piece of him left.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, Petonomy, you know, communicates with him and is able to find out where a forks body is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love that he was able to, like, sort of hack into the room.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Petonomy goes, that's not funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's really me.
[SPEAKER_03]: David's like when Dan Stevens is, I mean, he's got great facial expressions because he sits in front of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like, like, can I help you?
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you want?
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, because he, he, he, he waits so long to talk, like, you can take a tap on me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really has to put for some effort to really say something.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's, when he's silent, they were just like, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: And those were millions or so weird anyways.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they are, they're very off-putting anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dave is just probably trying to enjoy his waffles, you know, at the little.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great that that is a regular scene or you know, place for things to happen, this little weird waffle place.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, it's just so off-putting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Having the food on those little boats that are just going by is you're sitting there eating your dinner, your lunch, whatever it is that you're having.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not really like that whole scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like autonomy.
[SPEAKER_03]: How he's trying to communicate today and his voice starts to change.
[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like that female voice that you're familiar with with the vermillion but then it starts to change and it starts to sound more like autonomy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just really like that whole scene and I find that just really interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm hoping that Pythanom is not completely gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how that's going to play a part and what it's going to look like as we move forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I hope that there's still something for him moving forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just, I like that whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the vermillion was like, or autonomy is like, yeah, his body's in that to, to, to, to, to, to, to where is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a starts to shut down.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, starts to slump over and you're like, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well speaking to the minor four is La de Sole, which if that's what they're saying is French for desolate, which kind of describes a desert.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this place is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like one of the psychic landscapes because buildings
[SPEAKER_01]: Around a time is weird and for Rook says time and space is relative here sometimes by the hour it's part of the trick to keep me from myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I assume that means that the monks either created this weirdness or at least knew that this place had these weird properties so they thought it would be a good hiding place.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: look pretty convincing to me and so David teleports there after I think he found it by going into this tank that lets him project his consciousness outward and he just said lada sole and it showed him where where it was so you teleported there
[SPEAKER_01]: But he couldn't teleport directly to the monastery.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that- Because he doesn't know the secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he doesn't know the secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just the properties of this place.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's engineered to make it really hard to find the monastery.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that means he has a long walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, well, how did Faruk find it?
[SPEAKER_01]: But on second watch, he found this woman who had been there when after his fight with Professor X and had helped transport his body there, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she was like the driver of the, was it a her, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was transporting his body to that place.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: An exchange for being able to have this like eternal pleasant dream or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: She told him, and I'm like, well, why didn't he ask her a long time ago?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I wondered.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he didn't know who she was.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't find out who she was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sid, future Sid, told him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: The little, the little bird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he said he said a little bird told me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so they are working together.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what that means, but it showed as he's having that conversation with her, and I don't know that we were given her name of this older woman that is the chauffeur.
[SPEAKER_03]: It shows Future Sid whispering into Fruits' ear.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is this going on here?
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense, because Future Sid has always wanted to help Fruits find his body.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true, because she needs him to prevent.
[SPEAKER_03]: To prevent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he called her a little bird and then it reminds me of those darn delusion chicks things that we don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that mean something?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it might be.
[SPEAKER_01]: You never know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but it makes me crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just be saying little bird.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's what you call your little spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Little birds.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's your three?
[SPEAKER_03]: My number three is our flashback of young Fukiyami.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was really excited that we finally got a little bit of insight into what happened to Fukiyami.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was so mysterious.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the dude wears, yeah, I mean, he wears a basket on his head.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did get to see his face, his real face, not that freaky, delusional bird face that everyone kept seeing because they were freaking out.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we got to see his real face and he was just like this sad old man who looked like he had been living the life of Torshiet scarves on his face.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was wearing that halo thing around his head.
[SPEAKER_03]: looked awful, but it was interesting to see how, you know, it looks like he was recruited by the government to keep their secrets and apparently he has these healing powers, which reminds me of like Wolverine, we know Wolverine has this, you know, he was able to heal from that procedure, you know, that gave him his, where they coded his skeleton in the, in that, I don't remember the name of that steel, but you know what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Adam Antium.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, so it sounds like that that, you know, they picked him because he was able to recuperate from that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was able to heal and put this thing in his brain and basically make him the machine that bleeds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that he wouldn't be able to have his mind read so that he could be the keeper of secrets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he somehow out of all of that because we don't see anything past that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just see where he's being read by the nurse who's reading him a story and he's in the hospital after the procedure and he's all hooked up with those wires.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't see how he got from there to where he's at now.
[SPEAKER_03]: But somehow that led him being the head of this division theory, which I guess because he knows all of these secrets.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like he said the secret keeper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's still a government operation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So apparently it's part of his career trajectory.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know, it's, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: just all of that and like what what how does how does that move forward how why where I mean it's interesting that we got to see it but there's got to be a reason that it was shown to us and it makes me wonder if maybe a autonomy will somehow become leader and take over for Fiki on me maybe yeah yeah he's in the main frame I don't know yeah maybe they can use that gun to give autonomy his change somebody else's body back into autonomy is something I don't know what happened to autonomy's body
[SPEAKER_01]: He was with that creature chick thing all out of him kill him I don't know if we saw what they did with the corpse, but if they can get some DNA
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still fresh That's part my number three is is Fukiyama two and Fukiyama is reading young Fukiyama's reading Sigmund Freud's Das Unhem Leach which is the uncanny which is Ajective that is used to describe the X man uncanny X man.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the name of the comic for a long time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I tried to just read up on what it's an essay that Freud wrote and it's complicated, but it's about things that arouse dread and creeping horror and about fear of the unfamiliar.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's about how those things are us.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're about repressed things that are inside us, but we've
[SPEAKER_01]: They're hidden and rejected by us and then they're externalized to the outside world and then So it's kind of goes in with this whole narcissism thing which I'll talk about later that whole John Hems segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but the guy said to him everything is Unheimlich that ought to have remained secret and hidden but has come to light So it's about this guy the guy that was recruiting him and
[SPEAKER_01]: trying to make him afraid and talking about scary things that play on Fukiumas fears tell a pass who can steal your secrets and you know going on and on about that so the plan is to create a mind that can't be read so I guess the point of all that is that Fukiumas origin is tied in with just a reaction to fears and and I think the theme of this episode is sometimes these
[SPEAKER_01]: Fears or problems can come because we don't I don't know we don't There's no understanding.
[SPEAKER_01]: These weird psychological.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it actually fear of self in a weird way, but we're not conscious of that but anyways I Don't understand really why they showed that either unless we're gonna learn more about him later, but I I found it interesting nonetheless
[SPEAKER_03]: It was interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even pay any attention to what he was reading, but I know I kind of looked up a little bit about what the nurse was.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember everything, but what the nurse was reading at his bedroom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was what was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Phantom toll booth.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a children's book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like it's a cool book about learning and thinking for yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the writer was on an episode of yeah I read I just read today in fact I remember I don't know if this was part of this American life episode but he was in the military or something and he pretended to be a part of this fake news organization called the Navy News something or other just so he could interview attractive women
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he gets all these awards for writing this awesome children's book.
[SPEAKER_01]: So interesting guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, what's your number two?
[SPEAKER_03]: Number two, we've talked a little bit about it already, but that was just that conversation between Clark and Sidney.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like the dynamic that these two have.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we haven't, I don't think really had them unseen or like share a scene together just those two before and I thought it was really great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love Sydney.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really enjoying Clark, you know, excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: For season, I was like, oh, you're a bad guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're just going to hurt our friends.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, I like now that that's kind of been flipped a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now I like him and really enjoy his character and learning about him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, so it was really interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think to have these two shares seen together.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they had a really great chemistry together.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, Sydney was telling Clark that she thinks it's her fault about David that, you know, she somehow shares like her mother's curse because her mother, like, had this, I don't know if it was this habit or just what she chose to do in life was pushing men away.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, she dated married man.
[SPEAKER_03]: She only had boyfriends.
[SPEAKER_03]: She never got married.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she thinks she's a lot like her mother who never settled and she's the one pushing David away that maybe it's her fault that he's behaving the way that he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I thought that was really interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like how Clark tells her it's like it's okay, it's an official.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is all girl talk.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're just we're having a conversation.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's off the record.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just really like how they were just having that conversation and how she was able to kind of open up to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've talked a little bit about how Sydney was reflecting on their relationship and how it wasn't in the beginning with David and how it's not the same anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: How Clark kind of worried her a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's trying to just warn her, if she somehow rejects Tim breaks up with him or something or upset Tim, it could make him
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, destroy the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not to me worries that most girls have to deal with with their boyfriends.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's usually like, you know, oh, he might slash my tires or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy could just destroy the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he, I'm not convinced through this whole conversation that
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a good guy but I really feel like he's almost humoring her because he just needs to find his main charges to try and protect the planet from evil mutants and early dangerous mutants and he thinks David could be his greatest potential threat and
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that looms much bigger in his reality than here's my friend Sid.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he probably thinks of her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's a nice girl and everything, but it's more about protecting the planet than anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as they're sitting there talking about her relationship with David, then he goes
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I feel like I need to say out loud that your boyfriend is an extremely powerful mutant who could potentially destroy the world if he wanted to or if say you heard his feelings real bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad he put it out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, let's make sure we understand what the stakes are here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and there's a lot of pressure, but it's probably better said than unsaid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh absolutely and I like that he's he's not afraid to communicate that and he's you know and he does have to say it all out you know because not everybody can read minds like David but I do think he he does have a sense of duty he doesn't forget who David is and how powerful that he is but I do I do since he he
[SPEAKER_03]: a little bit of truthfulness where he's coming from with Sid.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do feel that he does kind of feel for her.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it does make me wonder, you know, we keep seeing, you know, and this is kind of just a side note that I was thinking about because I keep seeing Clark staying at Division III, like he's sleeping there and he stays there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we got to see his family in season one, like they devoted a whole episode to his family and his family in season one.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it makes me think, why is he sleeping at Division III?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where's his family?
[SPEAKER_03]: He even had a child.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has a husband, a child.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's total aside, no, but it just made me think as the episode was happening and he snaps out of his sleep from whatever thought bomb that David implanted inside of him that wakes him up and I'm like, why is he sleeping there?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is he not in this family?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why did we, why did they spend so much time on that episode in season one?
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he is where he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, it's side note.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wonder if they just sort of decided not to expand on that part of the story, so it was easier to have him there or if there's something to it, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's pretty significant, yeah, that suddenly he's like not with his family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've got two more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got one that's all about that aside with John Hamm about narcissism and then I've got another one that's kind of just trying to lay out what the fuck happened in the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which one should I do for my number two?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, if you've got it all figured out, uh, let's do that one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's let's do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So at first I was like, I wasn't clear if it's clear David wants to find the body.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like, is he still helping for Rook?
[SPEAKER_01]: As you said, she knew right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, just thinking back, he's still mad at Rook for killing his sister.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had a fight with future Sid and said, no, I'm not helping anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think his goal is to, he says we just need to find the body fast and finish this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to destroy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's his goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so then, put on to me as we talked about manifest through the vermillion and tells him where the body is because he found out from the monk that I don't know if the monk's full consciousness was stored in there or just a piece of it or what.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then, Furuk also finds out where the body is through that woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: And David uses this tank to get the general vicinity of where it is, the desert and teleports there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But before he does that, there was this montage where he's got these game pieces with the pictures of all the characters on it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and he's like touching them and Disappearing and everything and that man I was like what the hell But I really think what that was because he implanted something in we saw like he said Clark woke up and there was some suggestion I forget what he said find the clock of the long now
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, long now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And was that that prong thing that weird?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because we saw a flash in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're going.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where they're going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's not all but it's.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a tuning fork.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so I think when he woke up and said that, find the clock of the long now that was right after Sid said, you better have a plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when he was putting all those pieces on the board and imagining his friends in the desert and different strategic positions, I think that was him concocting a plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he was implanting suggestions into everyone so that they would start enacting the plan when the time was right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Through Oliver, they've gotten to Melanie because she says it's done.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's ours Oliver says that and fruits like mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, so Melanie can't clock on on the head and stop the plan in its tracks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So David's at least part of his plan is is thwarted there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I think was happening there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're out in the desert, Sid finds him using her compass, her David compass, and she's on his side, and then they're just trying to get to the body.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Frook Oliver said to Frook what about David and Frook said he's like a day behind us, and he like you said he's not going to find it unless he figured out the secret, which we don't know what that is anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then at the very end, we see, for getting very close to the body saying, my love, I'm about to be with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that was weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was narcissistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get into him next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so he's about to get to the body.
[SPEAKER_01]: David's a day behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have the secret in his plan is messed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's pretty much my summary of what happened in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that leave anything?
[SPEAKER_01]: Big out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the tuning fork was all about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to go back and watch that again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, because they kept flashing to different things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, as David, you mentioned David is moving his people like he put Lenny in a certain spot.
[SPEAKER_03]: He put Clark in a certain spot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was kind of moving people.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was kind of like moving chess pieces on a chess board.
[SPEAKER_03]: and placing those thought bombs.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like you said, for them to go off, esthetic moments for them to wake up and like, you know, with Lenny, she gets out and, you know, the door just happens to open and she gets out and she's off on the motorcycle, which was amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: By the way,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was wondering who let Lenny out and now I realize that David did because that's part of the plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she gets out and then when it happens to Clark, he like you mentioned, he gets taken out by Melanie.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Melanie makes me question, I know that Oliver said, she's mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's done, she's mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Frick says, she's ours.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so is she really working under both fruit or is it Oliver?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because Oliver reached out to her psychically a couple of episodes ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was the episode whenever
[SPEAKER_03]: They had taken Amy and merged Lenny into Amy with that whole episode and all of her tells for Luke, I'm gonna kill you, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as he's driving down the road and then wherever they're headed, I guess to Amy's house to find her, you can hear him reach out to Melanie and whisper to Melanie and you see just a flash of Melanie.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't know if it's Oliver that's reaching out to her and he's making
[SPEAKER_03]: for Rook think it's under his influence or if it really is for Rook through Oliver.
[SPEAKER_01]: My guess is that Oliver has a bond with Melanie so and Frook knows that so for Rook is using Oliver to get to Melanie and maybe there's some amount of Oliver in there that can e-mote in whatever but basically he's under Frook's thumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think what we saw Melanie do was exactly what Frook wanted her to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I feel like I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that he is under his control, but I'm wondering if he's able to somehow break free of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Oliver isn't a strong and stable, but he is a strong mutant himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we saw that this episode, but maybe he will be able to at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now what we saw was Clark was starting to do what David wanted and then Melanie Kantam out and Oliver said to Frook, she's ours.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we saw Melanie mess up David's plan and then we saw Oliver confirmed to Frook that she's ours.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it just seemed like they're being she's being used by Frook and Oliver to mess up David's plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right whether she whether it's Ender for Rook or it's Oliver is she still messing with David's plans maybe Oliver doesn't even know I mean he doesn't I don't think really know what David he knows it He's following them, but he doesn't know his plan so even if he was working independently from for Rook communicating with Melanie with through that psychic link he's doing for expitting right so I don't know I don't know what to how to believe Okay, what's your number one?
[SPEAKER_03]: That was my number one was all of that was finding fruit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a side note and it's probably just better to say for notes, but just something that I have placed in here was I loved it during that rickshaw.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oliver has a martinian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he's dressed in a suit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It reminded me a little bit of burning man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if everyone knows what that is, but it's out in the Nevada desert and you see people dressed in suits with martinis out there too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well he would certainly fit in there because I just love all of her because he's always like like in the in the first episode of the season and him and Lenny are lying in the pool and he's like, oh my drinks empty and all of a sudden it just magically fills up and he's got another drink and he just always has that martinis hand and I just love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's classic Oliver.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love German climate.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate that we haven't got to see a little bit more of him in the season because I think he's brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was funny to see that poor guy running his ass off and they're just sitting in a relapse.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it fits with fruit having a slave.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking up, it's called a running rickshaw and I learned that in recent times the use of human powered rickshaws has been discouraged or outlawed in many countries due to concern for the welfare of the rickshaw workers.
[SPEAKER_01]: But not in, not in, uh, Faruk's world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not in this, um, this weird place that they're in, where time doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the guy was even barefoot poor guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have an issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess he's only really having to carry the weight of Oliver, because I think Faruk is a straight figure.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's, yeah, he's not a physical body, so I guess it's just Oliver.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't think, I don't think that you, I think you covered everything that I would have covered in my number one.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've said it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well mine is about the little aside with John and I was reading this AV Club article about the episode and I laughed at the first paragraph.
[SPEAKER_01]: It says this was a terrific episode of Legion and exciting jailbreak, mine fuck of desert journey and some intriguingly elusive telepathic trickery all came into play.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, then it stopped dead in its tracks for a hori after school special about the danger of cell phones.
[SPEAKER_01]: It may be time to retire John Ham's monologues.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I have to just slightly as much as I love John Ham and think I've really enjoyed the little commentaries and features that we've gotten.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this one just seemed a little disconnected.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it will somehow cause I know we still have a couple more episodes to go with stuff three more.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, this one took me out of it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, it just took me out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used, yeah, I guess, you know, I was a little tired when I watched this the first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wasn't able to focus and it all felt very jarring to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved it, but I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: game pieces all of a sudden and time going backwards and so that just was another crazy thing like you know I mean the show I think can get away with drawing I get it too though especially it did kind of divert from the story but anyway I still like them and I really liked this one because hey brought in the allegory the cave which I had mentioned a few episodes back when they were in the like igloo inside um... cids mine
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's all about narcissism, the idea that people don't matter, their feelings, their needs focusing on self and grandizing self and not seeing others or seeing others as a tool for our own flattery rather than fully fleshed out human beings with their own perspective and feelings and how technology can kind of enable that because where it's easy to just restrict yourself to your own little bubble where everyone else is
[SPEAKER_01]: especially on like social media is a tool for your own flattery.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean this is a cynical view but I think that's kind of what they're getting at where if you're staring into your phone that's not the real world and you're not going to actually feel connected to people maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean there's definitely examples where you are but
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the whole thing of narcissism came about because it's a myth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Narcissus fell in love with his own reflection and then could bear to leave it so he stared at it until he died.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think for Rook saying, I'm here my love is he's like the biggest narcissist on the show and he thinks of everyone else's tools for his own advancement and not, you know, doesn't have empathy or see them as real people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's a hint that David could become that, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if he's going around and making implanting these suggestions or orders basically into people's minds without their permission and he's moving them around a game board, he's using them, too, as tools and objects for his own game.
[SPEAKER_03]: I totally agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do think that narrative lesson that we had is both about the shadow king and David's perception of the room because we know manipulates those around him and he uses people as tools and he doesn't see he sees him as shadows and thinks that they're and just doesn't think of them as real and then David I think does it too when he hatches his plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even just withholding from Sid and not letting her in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's not as much like that as fruit, but sometimes he's close and he maybe is heading more in that direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's just this ominous like foreshadowing of him becoming this horrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: villain I would say and then at the the episode opened up with a quote to create fear hold up a mirror by the mego monk or to mego monk atage and I think that kind of falls in with this narcissism and also this Freud book that I mentioned earlier about the uncanny where sometimes our fears are just reflections of something that's inside of us projected outwards onto other people So you're not really seeing what's really out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just it's all like this psychological
[SPEAKER_01]: Fucked up thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I can explain.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you said.
[SPEAKER_01]: So any other notes?
[SPEAKER_03]: And notes, I really liked, I like how they do the split screens.
[SPEAKER_03]: This show, I like how they always have these different directors from, you know, different shows and they kind of put in their own spin on the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I saw I really like the split screens that they had during a lot of these scenes, especially like when we had David and Sid out in the desert and for Rook and Oliver, it reminded me of a comic book, the panels on a comic book.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I loved that so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: made it more exciting and interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's walking across the desert.
[SPEAKER_03]: It did, and as much as what I was kind of sitting here wishing half the time going, okay, can we please have a little less walking in the desert?
[SPEAKER_03]: Can we please just move this along, Lobix?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know I mentioned I was a little unsatisfied with the pacing.
[SPEAKER_03]: At the same time, it was still kind of beautiful to kind of see what was happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: You would see, you know, for Rook and Oliver, you would see Sidney and David, and it was like a comic book.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I really love, I don't know that was intentional.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know, but it was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could have just separated the with lines, but they had thick lines with white, I think, which looks more like the paint panels of a comic book.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's, I think we pretty much covered everything else as far as like, favorite lines and talking about the, the narrative lesson during this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: As much as I always enjoy, I did enjoy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think I don't like how it went on because I liked the whole part about the allegory of the cave.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do like that and I thought that was really interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, when it carried on into the whole, you know, like lesson about the whole cell phone thing, I just just like, okay, I'm kind of a little like pre-G.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a little preachy, so I just kind of over it, but I still enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't totally fit in either with the allegory of the cave is about I think it's really because it's by Plato who's a philosopher and it's like unless you're seeking wisdom and truth and you're not seeing the real world you're just seeing shadows and that basically it's saying philosophers are the coolest thing ever and it was a little bit of a stretch to relate that to the subject of the rest of it but anyway right yeah I like the first part but that's that's all of my notes
[SPEAKER_01]: I reminded me of, I don't know if I've said this on this podcast, but I was one of the first people ever to see an iPhone back in two thousand six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it came out in two thousand seven, but I worked at Apple.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I knew right away, man, this thing is the best thing Apple's ever done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It blows away any cell phone that's out there right now because they all sucked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now when I look around and see everybody staring into their phones, it's almost like a sci-fi movie where we're all drones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes I'm like, oh my god, this is a little scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a little scary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sometimes I just want to smack phones out of people's hands.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I was walking my dogs in a park that's close to me and I'm just walking my dogs and it's a beautiful day, send a shining beautiful afternoon and I see a couple of people I don't know what relationship they had or anything but these two people sitting at a picnic table and instead of like talking to each other or just like looking out and enjoying the beautiful scenery the park, they're both have their like faces in their phones and I'm just like
[SPEAKER_03]: your phone people enjoy the beauty around you or talk to each other relate to each other instead of the other knows his down in their phones and that's fine I mean I my phones in my hand all the time yeah I'm guilty of that too yeah but just enjoy like take twenty minutes and enjoy the beauty around you connect with the person that's with you yes absolutely that's our message for the day
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, stop listening to this podcast and talk to somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, listen to our podcast while you're walking and enjoying the beauty around you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, share your earbud with that girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Share the magic that is the Legion cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got a couple notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The the menator showed up at the end, which is usually related to Melanie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no clue what it is, but I feel like the menator is about a creature in the middle of a maze that you have to defeat before you can escape the maze.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so maybe that's Melanie needs a metaphor for where she's at.
[SPEAKER_03]: you don't think it's like a manifestation of fruit because we know if you if what you think is true that it's really for root note Oliver that's reaching out to her it can be some sort of manifestation of for root maybe yeah I mean there's so many manifestations of of the shadow king throughout this so I don't know I mean right now I feel like they're just teasing us with this and we really aren't supposed to know what it is well it's not telling myself it's haunting my dreams I don't like that damn thing
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the last thing is I got this comment from that AV club article.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope the guy or girl doesn't mind if I read it, but I thought it was interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It says the white world, which is the space that we see whenever John Hems giving us one of his lessons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, is literally a blank canvas upon which to project anything that they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that simple logic would indicate that John Hamm is just the narrator and the writers the show are waxing philosophic for our entertainment, but there are enough clues to speculate that Faruq is speaking to the audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: His goal to teach us how his powers can be used to manipulate the world, but really how his abilities allow him to pray on the bad aspects of our psyches.
[SPEAKER_01]: In other words, we could just as easily be seeing monologues about how positive perception can create a peaceful and fair world, but who has the motive to tell that this dark side of the story?
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's saying that he thinks John Hamm is actually another manifestation of the shadow king.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's an interesting perspective I haven't heard before, because I read a lot of that too, and that I think is something I haven't yet heard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be cool if John Hamm did come into the story and not just be, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be super cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and be real and be an actual character or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's gonna happen, but I would love it if it did somehow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Same.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we're back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's time for the news.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so just one item this week, Ephraim, den of geek.com.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this might interest some folks because I know I'm a huge fan of the music from this show.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you are as well, so the main response before the furious sound in music of Legion is as we all know, Jeffrey.
[SPEAKER_03]: So so now his original work for Legion is getting appropriately.
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't know that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I've said that like a million times you don't listen to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's getting appropriately recognized and released by Lake Shore Records with Legion season two original television soundtrack.
[SPEAKER_03]: The digital release features the original season two music composed by Jeff Russo and will be available through digital retailers on May twenty fifth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if that means they'll do the songs that he and, you know, the pop songs that he sang with or that no a holly was on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, like the covers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the covers that they did.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's way.
[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't say that exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't have like a list of what they're releasing in this article.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just a snippet.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what I read, it didn't say, you know, here's what's going to be released.
[SPEAKER_03]: Either way, it's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: It will be super cool for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm interested in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to check it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, that's all we got for the news today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into some listener.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you back, I'll do the first one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve Brown says, Sid, how can a building move?
[SPEAKER_01]: David.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he makes that statement.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what he means by that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I guess, I don't know why why that surprised Steve.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he goes more reality bending.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot that David can teleport.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was there a time loop when they went into the tent?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, I don't know, I felt a little bit like when David, when she says, how can a building move and David's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just, you know, was kind of like, thank you for acknowledge that we don't either.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know either.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to them, the uncanny, the experience of the uncanny is more common, so they can just kind of let that roll off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas if we saw a building move, like the Bank of America suddenly was on another block right in front of our eyes, I think we'd have to go home and curl up in the corner or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is happening?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I take it as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: The next one is from Terry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it a mom?
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, it's Terry from Video Fezzi.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hope this gets to you guys in time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had lots of thoughts about chapter sixteen, but mainly I reject this ending.
[SPEAKER_03]: The creepy minitar is Melanie's thing, and we haven't seen her since season one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you're mistaken about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean for realsies, her wondering out of her room after, oh hey, about a year of second blue, sufficiently lucid enough to fell, a trained and wary warrior, I think we're gonna need more than just a shot of her Eve's dropping on Clark and Sid, then popping out of her room, surprise, and cracking Clark on the noggin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically, just from all of her texting her from the astral plane or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: That felt a little too written in like, oh right, we should really have Melanie do something.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the lead up to the showdown, I love the way they've organized this story.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really do not know for sure who to root for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Keep up the good work you guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have seen Melanie a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has her little.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think I don't know if he's being a little like snarky or if literal, but we did see her earlier this season, but not much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So your point still stands that also, and it feels out of left field.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've been wanting to see more of her, and I watched the preview for next weeks episode, and it looks like she's in it more, and it's her and all of her a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited to see, I wanted her to come back into it more.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm happy for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she's not utilized enough because we did see a lot of her thought she was great in season one as much as what we saw her.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really hate that she's just, you know, sucking on that elephant in her room in a drug induced haze creeped out by a minitar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next, Alana Stephens says chapter twelve blue-eyed Lenny asked for liquid paper to get high.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chapter thirteen David is sniffing liquid paper to get high.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes he was.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was not lost on me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta try that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Brian Campbell.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey guys, great podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you sniffing some liquid paper right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're not sharing seriously.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Future Sid is always the future Sid ever particular timeline.
[SPEAKER_03]: We must remind ourselves as chapter fourteen so aptly illustrated.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are many different timelines.
[SPEAKER_03]: Future Sid is only despond and about her current timeline is looking at it from her own possibly selfish perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I get what you're saying, but her world was destroyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I could see her having valid concerns.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she lost an arm somewhere along the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably an infinite multitude of cids based on what we saw in that whole, like every reality is possible episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I guess you could say, well, that's not my sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't care about her, but as far as from her perspective,
[SPEAKER_01]: You could totally understand her wanting to do whatever she could to prevent all that stuff from happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joel from Louisville, Kentucky, wrote in about chapter fifteen, which was last week, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, love the podcast, listening to this week's podcast and some of the things you guys said made me think of a theory and I wanted your thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know that the gun fruit used two episodes ago can change bodies.
[SPEAKER_01]: We assume that David is the threat that ends the world and said believes that fruit is the person who can stop David.
[SPEAKER_01]: This entire season has been playing with the idea of everything being a mind game.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a future Sid is the one that is delusional and helping for root get his body or my theory, David's body will help fruit become the world ending David she is trying to stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: So her David is not the worldender, but a shadow king controlled David who she in fact helped create.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope this makes sense and will love to hear your thoughts keep up the good work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me the read it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So wait a minute, so she she believes fruit is a person you could stop David, but she's diluted and helping fruit get his body is actually I mean
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you think that she's actually trying to help fruit get his body, but that somehow she's going to accidentally help fruit become the thing that she's trying to stop by letting him get into David's body.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I guess the point is that maybe Sid is unknowingly working against herself, future Sid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Possibly, and she may not even know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm really curious to know what the hell's going to happen with with all this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't discount really anyone's theories to this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like I know what the hell is going on or have any better theories in anyone else.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm certainly open to hearing everyone's theories and I don't discount anyone's.
[SPEAKER_03]: They all make sense to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think anything is possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I kind of hope you're right because that would be kind of a left turn and I feel like we need something with future Sid to make it so that it's not exactly the way it has seemed otherwise it's a little too straightforward for the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got three more episodes to find out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully if we do find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got to resolve this apocalyptic thing at least I would hope.
[SPEAKER_03]: You think so?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they will.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll move on to something else in the hopes of getting a season three.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's still unresolved by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't decided whether to continue this or cancel it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No announcement yet on season three.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fingers crossed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the next one that we have is from Tom says hi.
[SPEAKER_03]: I recently started listening to your podcast about three episodes back and have enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you and Cudos for the good work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, thanks Tom.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not well versed in the Legion comics, but no of the multiple personalities with varying powers aspect to his character.
[SPEAKER_03]: While the show has masterfully nodded in the direction with the talking voices, delusions, and overall themes of the human psyche, I wonder if they won't bring things to a more formal plot point in the finale.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know exactly where I fall on this theory, but it was fun to think about.
[SPEAKER_03]: With seeing Lenny snapping her fingers in hearing Amy scream, I wonder if we are truly supposed to believe that Amy's consciousness still exists, or if that possibility will be leveraged by the shadow king against David in their showdown.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there is something to the idea that the shadow king might want to inhabit David's physical body.
[SPEAKER_03]: So does that lead to a sacrifice situation for David?
[SPEAKER_03]: Give me your body and I will restore Amy.
[SPEAKER_03]: If this went down could there be some revelation that it was a lie, mid-fusion where David begins to fight back and with both being powerful mutants, his psyche becomes truly fragmented from all of the power, jocking for position in David's body.
[SPEAKER_03]: With the fractured state being the foundation for these other personalities to grow upon, thinking the season ends with people asking David if he is okay after displaying the shadow king and he says, who's David?
[SPEAKER_03]: Does that become the threat of the apocalypse?
[SPEAKER_03]: One of David's personalities has the agenda of domination, so David truly becomes the villain.
[SPEAKER_03]: The shadow king has been sought because he would be the only one powerful enough to repair David's mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't watch shows for the analytical level of enjoyment, so I'm sure I'm missing something that debunks this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thought I would throw it out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you guys think of this idea?
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you think this season ends?
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think I kind of get what you're saying, not totally.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that the sacrificial situation could come up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe we're going to see more of Amy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amy's consciousness.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that the battle between fruit and David could end up him being more like in the comics where he's got multiple personalities that can jockey for a position in his body.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of them might be a total bad guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I hadn't considered is maybe Amy will be one of those personalities inside him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, because it's possible, but isn't in the comics, and this might not be so much of a stretch of what you just said, but isn't in the comics like if David is around people, because he
[SPEAKER_03]: In the comics, he's around some type of terrorist event where many people die except for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he absorbs a lot of those personalities.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that true?
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's so cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that I read that in the origin of David, because he lost his his father in a terrorist attack.
[SPEAKER_03]: And David survived because he's his powerful mutant, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's able to
[SPEAKER_03]: Stepfather, yes, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, of course, Professor X's his real father.
[SPEAKER_03]: But his stepfather died in this terrorist attack and David survived because he's his all-powerful mutant and was able to survive with his powers.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he absorbed a lot of the personalities around him because he was around at this event where people died.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even though he wasn't present for Amy's death, hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean maybe yeah, there could be some kind of incident where that something like that happens at the end of all of this
[SPEAKER_03]: I think what's going to happen at the finale is my brain is going to explode.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my predict.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's cool about David in the comics?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I've said this before, but he has multiple personalities inside him and there's I think there's one in control at any one time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like the typical sort of cliche about multiple personality disorder where
[SPEAKER_01]: you could get a totally different person in the same body.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he can hear the other voices inside his head, but there's one who's in control.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he has some at least one really vicious personality in there that can just fully take control of his body and do bad things.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's got other ones and he's very fractured.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the show has done a really good job of
[SPEAKER_01]: capturing the erratic and fractured nature of a psyche, especially in the first season.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what they haven't done is have this thing where different personalities can come forward and be in charge of of this body.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would be really cool if they if they did get to that, I hope they do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that they are teasing that just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we saw a little bit in season one, at least towards the end of season one, whenever David's having that conversation with his self that had the British accent, which I absolutely loved.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, of course, we, that was just so brilliant.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I could watch that episode over and over again.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then during this season, we've had multiple episodes where David's having that conversation in his head with himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it seems more than just one version of himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's his voice in the same voice and there's no British accent, but there seems to be more than just one tone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there seems like summer less on his side.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this would be an awesome challenge for Dan Sieves as an actor if he had to play totally different personalities too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that'd be great and I think he could pull it off because I think he did a great job in season one when he was playing that other version of himself that British when he was allowing his true accent to come out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really love that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't talk enough about this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt kind of bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somewhere lost in my notes talking a little bit about that scene with David and Lenny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really liked that scene that we didn't talk enough about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel bad about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was pretty nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was just another instance basically of him implanting a suggestion or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was very cool and she was biting her hair and he saw that was a habit of amnes and how much of her is still left in there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's just missing a sister.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think it's something we've kind of wondered a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there any piece of Amy left?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, was she completely taken out of her body?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that a complete control that Lenny has?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or is there any pieces of her left?
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was just nice how, you know, he kind of goes in one way, but kind of turns on to that big brother version of himself to Lenny.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, that shows that
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though David has some tendencies, maybe narcissistic tendencies or at least where he's doing things to people without their permission, which isn't cool, he also still is a warm person sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like that scene, he seemed to show a lot of empathy for her and does what he's said to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's he definitely softened towards Lenny because we still don't know Lenny is she still have vulnerable half.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is she working for for Rook?
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know kind of thing and he's a sportser.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can tell she's trouble.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think anyway, she's genuinely troubled.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's our show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's sixteen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: If you have an accent, you're kind of obligated to everyone's accents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you don't, you can go ahead and do it.
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