[SPEAKER_04]: Once about a time, there was a little boy.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're a special little boy.
[SPEAKER_04]: We had a gift.
[SPEAKER_04]: Emperors.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think his curse was?
[SPEAKER_04]: Someone put a monster in his head.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, silly.
[SPEAKER_04]: The monster was the gift.
[SPEAKER_04]: His curse was... He's insane!
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey everybody, welcome to our podcast, I'm Jason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Rima.
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is Legion cast episode eighteen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, you know, the viewership has gone way down lately.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's about three right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's you and me and our one listener were the only three people watching it, but hanging in there somehow.
[SPEAKER_06]: They've still decided to renew it for season three.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought I'd just mention that right at front.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's in my news.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, I was so relieved.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and you know what?
[SPEAKER_06]: I hate to like rain on this parade right away, but I wouldn't be surprised.
[SPEAKER_06]: In fact, I'm gonna guess that next season will be the last season.
[SPEAKER_06]: and that they will have time to wrap it up in a way that they really want to.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, they can focus the whole season on that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Who knows, we know it, but that would be good to give them that opportunity.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they know or expect that this to be their season three to be their last, then they can, they can say, okay, we know where the story needs to go and we can ride it towards that end and make it a really great story.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they can really focus on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think then it will be even better than ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm okay with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would love to have me before, but if we two things, if it's going to be short, I don't want it to be something that goes on forever and ever, that isn't good anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the walking dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then also, if they know that it's an end game, they can write towards it and it'll be, I think, fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Noah Holly would do a fantastic job wrapping it up.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, we know I think I never remember plots after a while, but he's had a chance to wrap things up because Fargo is anthology stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: So every season gets an ending and I think I've been satisfied.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't remember how any of those three ended, but I remember feeling satisfied.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we know he knows how to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I finished season one of Fargo and I'm in the middle of season two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hoping I can find season three out there somewhere because it's not on Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime, it's not anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there are some means that I can get it that I'm not aware of and that probably are.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to go to a certain angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get it on then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody give me a black market copy of it or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I could buy it, but I really don't want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, yeah, I was really satisfied with season one of our go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so I just couldn't stop watching it was so great.
[SPEAKER_00]: The acting was fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if he knows that if this is where it's going to go and they might not have another one, we'll be good with it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like that's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm getting myself mentally ready for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just so I won't feel too disappointed if it does happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I mean, FX.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Holly is, FX is gold, you know, he's, they're gold away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: with Fargo and with Legion I know viewership has dropped some and I think you know it's just some folks that just aren't quite they just need to stick it out I just wish people could could just stick it out and see like this episode that was I thought so gratifying in so many ways
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I feel like I can say this because everyone hearing me probably likes the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just feel like the show is too good for the masses.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too good for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's too good for most people.
[SPEAKER_06]: People like McDonald's and I'll go for McDonald's every once in a while.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is intelligent and super creative, and it's hard, it's challenging, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: You gotta work out it a little bit, not too much, but a little bit.
[SPEAKER_06]: And some people don't have any patience for that, but I think it's totally great.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I would, if no holly could keep up this level, I would like to see another go up to season nine or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you could keep it at the same level and keep being inventive and everything, this is a show that could sustain that.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I'm getting myself ready for three instead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, with with with with them keeping us waiting this long to announce season three then I don't want to look any further beyond that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to get my hopes up.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll be like it was on the chopping block.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm they decided well, let's do one more.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's my side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give him a chance because
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're our guy and you do good for us and you make us money and you have these hit shows and stuff and you're doing a great job.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the recognized that I mean, FX has good shows that are very adult and interesting and intelligent.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they recognize I think that this is a good show too.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they have to wrestle with, well, it's good, but it's not popular.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, in FX, I think has been more of the type to keep a show like that going a little bit longer than other like freaking stars, canceling assures.
[SPEAKER_00]: That we're still not over yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not giving you shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I promise.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not over yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really upset about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, let's get into this week.
[SPEAKER_06]: So let's do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's our top five highlights for Legion season two episode ten chapter eighteen.
[SPEAKER_06]: You said you loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was hard to watch some of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was sad and it was dark and it was serious, but I did really like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Some of it felt with Melanie sitting there whispering into Sid's ear.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, do you know what he does with that feature self?
[SPEAKER_06]: And then shows them kissing and makes it sound like they do a lot more when that was actually the only thing they did.
[SPEAKER_06]: Not excusing it, but she blew it up into something even more.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, this feels like a dynasty from the eighties or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: People would just screw each other over, telling lies, and things like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a total soap opera.
[SPEAKER_06]: But anyway, I totally loved it too, and it was hard to watch exactly the same thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: You just said, what's your number five?
[SPEAKER_00]: My number five, I'm just going to start it off because it was a total huge huge moment, is that cameo that we got in the beginning with David as comic book David.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I, you know, I don't know if I'd call that a cameo, but I know you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm calling it a comic book cameo because he's he's the comic David and I'm calling it a cameo so that that thrilled me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean I I about jumped out of my chair whenever you know because I'm looking at Lenny going what the hell's wrong with Lenny she's you know in this weird days you know kind of spaced out lying on the floor and then it pans over to David and you see him and he's totally got that comic
[SPEAKER_00]: wardrobe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's like out of the comic book and his hair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I about peed myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think when you saw it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Same thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that whole opening scene with the lightning and the camera work is very deliberate and then you see an overhead view of those dudes with the like conical Asian farm hats running in the field and then it zooms in on this hut with a fire and the circle of bones.
[SPEAKER_06]: and Lenny draped across that fur rug with for some reason blood coming out of her nose.
[SPEAKER_06]: Does that mean that David's controlling her and she's trying to resist?
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or maybe she just did a big line of coke.
[SPEAKER_06]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, with Lenny, you don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And was she, was she, did she look pregnant to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't look like she was like rubbing her belly?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she looked pregnant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe they're together with me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because I feel like this was a glimpse of the future because it didn't really connect with anything else in the episode, except maybe how they're sort of talking about what David's going to become.
[SPEAKER_06]: But uh, yeah, then I then I saw him and I'm like, oh my god, that's that's David from the comic books David Holler with the hair and you know that like you said the pants even he has these big like eighties parachute pants or not parachute like MC Hammer pants kind of
[SPEAKER_06]: and open Vemps with the stripe across and no shirt underneath.
[SPEAKER_06]: And even the way his posture was with one hand holding this globe, this glass sphere, and then the other hand kind of draped down.
[SPEAKER_06]: It looked like his posture in the comics a lot too, and then the hair, of course.
[SPEAKER_06]: But what's different is younger in the comics, and he's a lot skinnier, and the hair is black.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I think this is the closest they could do with David, and I always wondered, maybe they're not doing it, because that look doesn't really fit Dan Stevens, but I thought it was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: look like I thought it was just amazing and I don't know if that's just something that we're getting a glimpse of if that really is what the future's gonna hold if that's what we're going to expect to see as far as the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: He certainly looks satisfied with himself as you said the way he was postureed and it just looked like it was taken right out of a comic book panel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just loved it so much.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was looking into that sphere and saw an image of Sid and I couldn't tell if it was older Sid or
[SPEAKER_00]: it to me it looked like future said because she when you look at her face she had that sadness in her eyes I just that same sadness whenever he would go visit future said she just has this sense of loss in sadness in her face and she had that same to me anyway I could be completely wrong but just to me whenever I was trying to figure it out and I was questioning as that said now that he's kind of looking at her that way or is that future said and to me as future said
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I'm kind of wondering if this whole thing would David turning into a bad guy and causing the apocalypse isn't going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy where because future Sid told Shadow King that would happen that now he's just turning up the I'm going to fuck with you and turn everybody against you and make him go nuts and do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I, yes, I have the same thoughts.
[SPEAKER_06]: So my number five is what you just said comic book, Legion, and I'm pretty sure who knows, but that that's going to be what he's going to look like in the show for a while.
[SPEAKER_06]: And at one point, Sid tells Alex Melanie, how does he turn?
[SPEAKER_06]: And she says, I don't know, all I know is he does into something magnificent, something terrible, Legion, the world killer.
[SPEAKER_06]: So she also said the name and that's the first time they've ever said the name in this show.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I legit squeal when she said that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like squealing going, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: The thing is, the reason why he's called Legion is because he has a whole bunch of personalities inside of him in the comics.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's not necessarily at least in my limited reading of Legion comics associated with him being a supervillain, Legion, the killer of worlds.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's because he has those personalities.
[SPEAKER_06]: Some of them are bad.
[SPEAKER_06]: Some of them are good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Some of them are in the middle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So even if he does end up becoming Legion quote unquote like next season or something, I don't think that necessarily means he's going to be this world killer villain.
[SPEAKER_06]: He might be more chaotic.
[SPEAKER_06]: And some of his personalities might be evil.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I don't think we're looking at, I don't know, it would just be weird to have a season of evil David.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree and and it being like really him and not being controlled by like for Rook like he's been all the life that like he is the real threat
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to see for Rook dead by the end of this season because not because I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think he's been great and I do like this the guy who's played him this year a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: But right now I'm realizing this whole show really is about the shadow king fucking with a bunch of mutants heads without the shadow king in season one of the season two.
[SPEAKER_06]: We wouldn't have had a show.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: But now I want to see David tackle something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because we always need that villain, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's like the whole comic premise is you always need that villain to have something for the good guys to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They need the good has to have the evil to fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm ready for fruit to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the actor's been great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've really enjoyed him on screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got a great presence about him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm ready to see him gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready to see him defeated.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now David be that villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: The one thing that works really good about shadow king with this show is because this show is about not only mental illness, but psychology melded with superpowers that he's the one who goes in and makes you question things and makes you crazy and acts all these concepts that John Hamm has been teaching us about.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, and so he's the perfect villain for the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going back and forth, but I would like for them to find some new and interesting direction next season that doesn't involve the shadow king.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't be surprised if they had him back again for the next season though.
[SPEAKER_00]: well I wouldn't put it past them to maybe because you know we're seeing a lot in this season we see lots of glimpses and especially in this episode it was pretty heavy with lots of glimpses back to season one you know with the what do you call them the fat bastard
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, the yellow-eyed fat bastard, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: You saw him, you saw the angry boy, you saw scenes of Sidney and David from season one, and just lots of different things from season one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw him if maybe they incorporated him and, you know, maybe some flashbacks or something, but I really hope that that's kind of where it goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they kind of flip the switch here, because they keep, you know, like Frank said, the hero becomes the villain, the villain becomes the hero.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I just don't ever buy that shadow king's going to be a hero.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, that's what Sid seems to come away at the end thinking, well, if something wrong with David, then maybe I was all wrong about fruit, but fruit's causing causing all this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and I didn't mean to say that fruit was going to be the hero, but that's, you know, it's just, I think that that's what we're going to see is David going from that hero to becoming a villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to be the villain and not the shadow king.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's been this, I guess you could call out prophecy that David is going to kill Shadow King in the desert and now they're in the desert.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that makes me think that is going to happen next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think so too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that because yeah, because this episode was supposed to be the finale.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we got the announcement several episodes back, like in the middle of the season, somewhere that they added episode eleven.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it makes me wonder, what if anything?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think there were probably some things changed after they knew they were going to add episode eleven.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was changed in this episode so that way they could, you know, incorporate that and finish the story in eleven.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how, and just how, because it looked like if that, I don't know if that's, I don't know what change.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if if something happened to freak or if they were going to carry that over into the next season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what do you think.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that probably these last couple episodes didn't change too much, but what they did were those few in the middle that were off the path, going into the multiple reality one, and I forget we came after that.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I feel like one of those got expanded, you know, where they were gonna have to try to melt two of those together, and you couldn't figure out a way to do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think you probably had this last part plotted out pretty well, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I haven't read anything about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I haven't either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's been really released.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they've released the creative reasons as to why they won announced episode eleven for what reasons and what changes if any were made to any of the episodes after they announced they were going to do episode eleven.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I don't think that it was like they came to this point that we just saw and they're like, oh, well, we should probably add more, you know, I don't think it was like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think they kind of had some story beats plotted out and realized they couldn't squish it all and they needed one more episode to tell the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I'm glad it wasn't when we thought that they wanted to give it a serious finale.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh gosh, I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, what's your number four?
[SPEAKER_00]: My number four is the failure of David's plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: So while we had some really cool stuff that came out of it, like we got to see Lenny, I thought Lenny being like on the good guy side was pretty cool to see for once and you know, she wasn't just out for herself.
[SPEAKER_06]: who's kind of like, yeah, I'm going to do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to do my job.
[SPEAKER_06]: She was like, yeah, what's up?
[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't like super dedicated, but she's like, I'm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to wait here and I'm going to take out a couple of guys like super cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: We should go down.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, well, as we'll stay up here.
[SPEAKER_06]: What was your job to take the payback shot or something?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, payback.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we'll see that next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hope so that it was super cool to see her have fun with her new new toy.
[SPEAKER_00]: She seemed to be enjoying herself and just kind of like I'm going out for a while, so that was kind of cool to see her on the other side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, she helped Carrie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Carrie was kicking some ass and had a lot of guys and she took a couple of them out for Carrie, so that was cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like seeing Carrie and Lenny interact.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess maybe in season one when she was being controlled by Ferruc.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now that Lenny is like Lenny herself, I thought that was kind of cool that interaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked the action because I really just sometimes want to see people get hit and knock her out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really, this episode did not disappoint.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked Carrie, you know, finally getting to kick some ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she did it so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't even mess up her ponytail.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was from press.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well done, action.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was, yeah, the way they filmed it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes like in the, I did ever watch the Marvel Daredevil.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, Batman, dark night in those.
[SPEAKER_06]: They filmed it like they stick the camera right in.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you just see a bunch of like black.
[SPEAKER_06]: mess.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can't tell what's going on.
[SPEAKER_06]: This was beautifully shot.
[SPEAKER_06]: Some shots were long, some were close, some were fast motion, some slow.
[SPEAKER_06]: But the way she handled that stick, it was, I want to see her go up against Morgan.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, she's, she's doing, I cannot ever remember the type of martial art or technique that that is that Morgan has.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like, oh, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like Morgan with her, with her stick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I liked how it was in slow motion too as those guys were whipping those bolo things up in the air.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're like making some kind of noise that all these Martian airy dudes were throwing up in their masks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Guy carries like
[SPEAKER_06]: and then she just goes and wipes the floor with them.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then I love how you saw a ton more climb out, twice as many.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm like, oh crap, maybe she's done four here.
[SPEAKER_06]: She looks scared.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then the next time you see her, all but two of them are laid out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we were worried.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she's like, you guys ready to give up now.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like she didn't really need Lenny's help.
[SPEAKER_06]: She could have just finished those last two off.
[SPEAKER_06]: No problem.
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like she's the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Carrie and I'm so happy for her that she finally got to see some action.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all she wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the maximum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely and it was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It did not disappoint.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great action.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought while there were some really great stuff that came out of that is we're seeing David's playing come together because we saw again, Lenny coming into the scene in the blue car and getting the gun out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see the both carries show up with some soldiers.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think they were supposed to show up.
[SPEAKER_06]: But he actually left a tracking device on Lenny and so that's why they showed up and and they're of help, but that's good.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, Lenny's job is to shoot probably the shadow king with this gun and then we found out about Clark, were you going to mention that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, as part of the plan that did not go as I guess David had not accounted for what because we had the, yeah, we had like the Minotaur.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not well, I guess he kind of knew about the Minotaur.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if he knew the part it was going to play that it was a part of this whole thing, or if it was just a part of Melanie's weird delusion that
[SPEAKER_00]: when they saw the Minotaur in her, when they were in her head, trying to bring her back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if he really accounted for the Minotaur and how it grew, because it grew and it was actually able to fight where it looked pretty good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, great.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, what do you call it, crutches and little weeds or anything?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, his legs grew strength and he was because he seemed really weak.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seemed weak and and raspy and then the shadow king when he laid his well Melanie as the shadow king, you know, put their hand on him and he grew strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the choke whenever Clark brought the choke.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he realized, you know, he didn't, I guess taken to account fruit was going to be wiping everyone out and then be able to whisk that thing away or flick of his wrist.
[SPEAKER_06]: And also you and I will that appeared.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the context was confusing if I remember right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we weren't sure what the hell is going on.
[SPEAKER_06]: But like, what does that look like a tuning fork?
[SPEAKER_06]: And now we found out what it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a it's a power dampener.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I assume, and I like David said, well, when that thing goes on, then we're just meant.
[SPEAKER_06]: So apparently the idea was to activate that to take away the shadow king's power, maybe, and then maybe Lenny would shoot him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, he would be like mortal and be susceptible to a gunshot wound where as maybe his fully powered meat and self would it wouldn't affect him or he be.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, maybe this is one reason why Lenny was chosen because, you know, they said she was special or they needed her in particular.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it's just because she has such a grudge against the shadow king rightly so that she was motivated to shoot him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, yeah, maybe that's what she was talking about with the payback, you know, getting the shadow king back for all the imprisonment and torture that he, you know, kept her slave to.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did get her a new body, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: With blue eyes, he sure did.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then kept her alive.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then she should be grateful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's exactly all of the doubt.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_06]: What else, is that it?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it for my number four, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: My number is I like this show always kind of has this but this episode in particular I kept noticing there was a lot of cartoonyness almost.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: And there was this big perfectly circular hole in the desert with a big like bathtub plug complete with beaded chain next to it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like so absurd.
[SPEAKER_00]: But why?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was just something funny and interesting to me, you know, to maybe throw in that absurd element of this dark and serious episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: One thing in evokes is if you go down there you're going down the drain kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and maybe that's what it was kind of representing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have this big bath plug that's supposed to go over this big hole and what goes down like bath plugs or the bathroom is waste and what comes out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's just something to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what you're doing in the bathtub.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Waste water.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, if you gotta have some kind of a real reason for it, maybe it's just that it seems like this desert is a special supernatural place and maybe people with mental powers can manifest things or shadow king set that up because he has a creative aesthetic.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got an art or an art design.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a little whimsy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then what else?
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, Lenny pulling the gun out of the suitcase.
[SPEAKER_06]: Big giant gun out of a tiny suitcase.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like a magic trick.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's kind of a comfortable comic book.
[SPEAKER_06]: You see, got a big smile on her face.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or when David's with Oliver, where is she?
[SPEAKER_06]: And Oliver pretends to lock his lips with a key and throws it over shoulder and he's ting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved that so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have that right notes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then just the little blue pajama, monk minions crawling out of the hole like some kind of spider creatures felt kind of cartoony to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I mean, this show always has it's such a dark concept in some ways with mental illness and killing in some of the gruesomeness we've seen, but it's always had a lot of fun and whimsy to it too.
[SPEAKER_06]: So this episode was no different in that way.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just, I like it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, what's your three?
[SPEAKER_00]: My number three, just in general heroes and villains, I really like so far where we've gotten the season, the story, where it's not like you straight up love the hero or hate the villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked a little bit about how Frug is just a bad guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't love anything that he's done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he should live and should be taken out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he was very charming, charmingly played and very entertaining to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I loved his interactions with David.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that, you know, we root for David because we want him to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's our protagonist and we love him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's kind of a bad guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I know that I hate to really kind of fall for like when Sydney, you know, during this episode has had to see every all the bad stuff that he's done.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, he has kind of done some bad things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was kind of really getting a kick out of torturing Oliver.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like, you know, I don't like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's really enjoying hurting people and that really scares me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the future, we saw whether or not it's just a blip, whether it's a possibility of what could happen of him being this future world killer because it seems like whatever world he's created has he really killed the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the outside looked really ominous.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was dark.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was lightning.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's sitting on a surrounded and sitting on skulls, you know, like rolling the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I really like that you're kind of torn with this story and that's what I like.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's not straight up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we went our hero to win because he really our hero.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I've felt since the beginning of the series that sometimes David takes a little bit too much.
[SPEAKER_06]: She seems too excited when he's doing something powerful that's hurting other people.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's got a darkness in there for sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I think he struggles with that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And even in the end, he said to Carrie, you know, I'm just worried because I'm gonna kill a shadow king and I'm enjoying thinking about how I'm gonna do that and that worries me.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he struggles with it, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: He struggles with his dark side.
[SPEAKER_06]: Shadow King, I'm not on the same page as you with him.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think he's entertaining to watch, but I think he's a total psychopath.
[SPEAKER_06]: He does not struggle.
[SPEAKER_06]: He just wants to hurt people for his own gain, and that's it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he just, you know, there's nothing redeeming about him.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, maybe he's entertaining, but that's trivial as far as I'm concerned for a show.
[SPEAKER_06]: it's totally important like when you're watching but as far as like if if this was real I would be like yeah he's entertaining please kill him right now I agree I agree shouldn't be allowed to live but I do like he's not like you know the gray area I don't see any gray area there with him okay I agree with that I do okay what else anything else
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like how it's not just a straight up story.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get conflicted, at least as far as like with David, because you root for him, but should we root for him?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he good?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he bad?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like how it makes you think about it and really makes you question yourself.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, this whole episode was most of it anyway was about turning sit against David.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the cool thing about it is what you just said that you started out to.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like shadow kings getting in your head.
[SPEAKER_06]: The show gets in your head.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so yeah, I like that a lot too because yeah, when she starts seeing all these things that he's done.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it just reminds me of doubts I've already had though because we've already felt like, oh yeah, we could totally see David turning into this evil person that destroys
[SPEAKER_06]: because he goes out of control sometimes or he's not he's a little erratic and I mean I think that there are plenty of times where he has a good heart and where Melanie is by the end of this saying maybe he was bad all along and and he's you know we have to stop him I'm not there like I don't I think he's got conflicting drives inside of him and I think he's basically a good person but he does have some dark tendencies
[SPEAKER_06]: And, you know, the whole thing about Melanie saying Melanie, who's really the shadow king, we find out at the end saying the monster was the gift, but David was insane.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, I mean, I think shadow king's whole thing is that he amplifies people's neuroses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think mental illness and neuroses and all that.
[SPEAKER_06]: it's all on a continuum maybe i mean i'm not i'm speaking from not really knowing too much about this but my impression is at least there's some truth in this that we all have doubts and fears and quirks and foibles and flaws
[SPEAKER_06]: And we manage, you know, some people better than others.
[SPEAKER_06]: But sometimes when life really sucks or things are at their worst, we kind of fall apart a little bit and do things that, oh God, you know, when I was really down, I totally blew it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't believe I did that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's about the extremes like it's considered mental illness when it just goes really far out to to one extreme.
[SPEAKER_06]: But when it's somewhere in the middle and you can kind of manage it and it's not how much a problem then it's just normal like neurosis and what shadow king does is he gets in your head and he blows that shit out.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's why David probably had some of those things, but they wouldn't have been a problem if Shadow King hadn't infected him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Same thing with Melanie, the step-a-side.
[SPEAKER_06]: Her whole thing is that she feels abandoned by men, and she's resentful.
[SPEAKER_06]: And once he gets in there, she's like, yeah, I think the praying mantis is perfect where you just point a cat and kill the guy, kill him.
[SPEAKER_06]: What do we need men for, except for sperm?
[SPEAKER_06]: you know and then spends the whole time turning sit against against David like I know that's mostly just the shadow king using her like a puppet but I do feel like there's her personality coming out of that there's her he's praying on her weaknesses and kind of amplifying those and focusing on those
[SPEAKER_00]: right well i agree and and you know shadow king he can read your mind so he's he's clearly been in division three and he's probably picked up on what her fears already were and have been when she you know when we saw in the beginning when she was they were showing that scene that she had with Clark when she was you know telling Clark about her fears that she's afraid that you know he doesn't know good
[SPEAKER_00]: good from bad and right from wrong and you know she's she's worried about him and I think that you know the shadow king was able to pick up on that weakness and then use it and twisted in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's his specialty.
[SPEAKER_06]: And maybe the mentor being kind of attached to her was a way for shadow king to start to work on her or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: I still not clear what this mentor is.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's a separate entity that works for the shadow king, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like his enforcer or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, the minitor of legend has to do with always mazes and it feels like this whole underground area was kind of amazed and also that when you're in the shadow king's grasp, you're kind of this in the psychological maze that can't get out of, but
[SPEAKER_00]: You're stuck in the maze.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's a minute for there that might kill you.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: But then also about reading minds, I think that's how the shadow king was able to project all these scenes from that he slash he wanted Sid to see on those little circular tables or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: That he can pull images from different people's minds or maybe he can see remotely.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it doesn't really matter exactly why, but it's all mental shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: right and that's I mean and he was able to do that he was able to pluck those scenes out and he's him again Sidney and that's why she didn't understand because she thought she was dealing with Melanie not the shadow king and yeah you know the shadow king can pluck those things out of your memories because she's like how are you doing this because those were clearly things that there were a couple of those scenes that happened just between David and Sidney there was no one else there to which could pull that from hit her minds
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And do you think, I mean, I thought Melanie's argument was somewhat persuasive, but for the level of love that Sid has for David and what they've been through,
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like it was a bit unrealistic for her to completely go over to that side that maybe also there was some like telepathic power persuasive power going on to along with the just the regular old argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do know what you mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do know what you mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a little bit disappointed that she was able to succumb to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think usually it was an easy for me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but as, yeah, with that with what we saw, I mean, even like the so brutal watching David torture Oliver, especially after he had said earlier, I don't want his body.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want him to live if we attack the shadow king.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I guess if you drill into somebody's leg, they're still gonna be alive, but Jesus anyways.
[SPEAKER_06]: it was brutal but it was interesting because she was watching those scenes and the reason he was torturing him was because he wanted to get to her so that's got to count for something but it still is still pretty awful.
[SPEAKER_06]: because David knows that the shadow king is inhabiting Oliver's body and David wants to get back to the love of his life's sidd and so I don't know that's yeah that's that's pretty fucking brutal but um there is it's not it's for a good cause you're probably right it's just wrong
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and because even Carrie was looking to forgive David, he's like, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Oliver's going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, whatever you did to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he said that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I was wondering if Oliver was dead.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't catch that line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he said, he looked at and he did not look good at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: But David said, he's still alive and Kerry checked him and he's like, I think he's going to be okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever he did, just, you know, because you Kerry doesn't know yet that all that time it wasn't really the shadow king and Oliver.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, David didn't know either until then.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what he said.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so he didn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, well, whatever you did to him, it was because he thought he was the shadow king or the shadow king had him under control.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to live, so don't feel bad about it and you were doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: what you thought you needed to because he was a shadow king.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can see where it was justified, but it's like what Melanie was saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, well, you know, he's doing these things, but does it really matter who the victim is?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's enjoying what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: They show him with that big smile on his face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I don't have any argument for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's times when he just seems to really revel in his power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and we saw some of that in season one too, whenever he really, you know, before he, he understood the full scope there, the end of season one, when he really, you really get to see his power unleashed.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was really having a good time with it, and they showed it again in this, at least one of the scenes.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a couple of different scenes where he, you could see he was enjoying his power, but whenever he was at, when he was back at, or whenever he was at division three, he was just kind of knocking the soldiers with a flick of his hand and just kind of dance and then skipping a little down the hall as he was doing it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think you watched it more recently than me, but I was reading somewhere that there was a flash of like the devil with the yellow eyes.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so that suggests that the shadow king was a big part of why he was so brutal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think there was a part where he was still under the Shadow King's control, and he was really, I think part of it was the Shadow King's power scheme.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was probably David's inner power that he didn't know he had yet, but he did enjoy it at the end, because he had the halo in his head there at the end, that Carrie had given him to kind of suppress the Shadow King, and then it was just supposed to be just David, and he then felt the full force of his powers, and he was totally enjoying that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was stacked up all the soldiers and stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I really think that the suggestion is that, yeah, there's a darkness in him and maybe it is because Shadow King corrupted him with his influence or maybe not.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it was already in David and he would have already gone that way, even if he never met the Shadow King.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't know for sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it really does seem like, I mean, David said, you made me this way, but that could just be blaming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, well, it could be, but it also could be that that's maybe where they're alluding to some of his mental illness coming from.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think of being completely controlled and having a parasite like the shadow king and having you your entire life and what that does to your mind that even once you're free of him, what that leaves behind on you, you know, mentally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I always want to think that he would have been pretty much fine without the shadow king's influence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, he would have just been a regular mutant.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and you know, maybe he would have been a little quirky, but not like possible world-ender.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Where are we?
[SPEAKER_00]: I did my number three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you do your number three?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Mine's about Melanie and that how much was the shadow king and how much was her.
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, we covered it off.
[SPEAKER_06]: What's your number two?
[SPEAKER_00]: My number two is Sidney.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love Sidney so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: David and Sidney, they're two of my favorite characters in this whole series.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to watch the whole from the beginning to the end, the interaction between Melanie and Sidney and how Melanie uses the truth, because she doesn't really lie that much about what she's saying and what she's showing Sidney.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's so convincing.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's with somebody, but some of it is just straight up truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, but it's because it's not spread out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Sydney knows these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: She sees these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: She has seen David unleashes power on people.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that seeing it one after another in this narrative that the Shadow King Melanie is is showing her
[SPEAKER_00]: And also showing her the things that she didn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's where they played into her weakness, where Melanie and the Shadow King played into Sydney's weakness about her being jealous about Future Sid.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's like, well, let me show you this and she shows David kissing, Future Sid.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that just completely breaks her.
[SPEAKER_00]: When she sees David torturing all of her and the links that he can go to and seeing his enjoyment out of it and where she's like, look at his face, you're seeing his true face.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so hard to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know Sidney breakdown like that and you could see how it just tore at her and ripped at her and I thought that taking her existing insecurities about about him about is he mentally stable?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he understand right from wrong?
[SPEAKER_00]: Has he done anything with future sit and that she doesn't trust him and to see how all of these these things get thrust in her face?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it just sucked
[SPEAKER_00]: And that, like, no matter what's happened between them, he was always her man.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was always going to fight for him and be with him and then to see her on the other side of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now that she believes that he's the monster, I mean, that was so hard to watch and it was painful to see her go through, you know, that whole process.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because no one wants to believe that like the person that you love is a bad person, you know, she just constantly wanted to believe that he was a good person and that she didn't want to believe he was a bad person, that he could do bad things.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and I think, you know, we really need to remember that this is all filtered through the Shadow King and he's a master manipulator and he will pull out all the evidence to show what he wants you to think in fact.
[SPEAKER_06]: She Melanie says at one point, you know, they can read your mind and so they will show you what they know that you want to see or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: you know, and she's talking about David, but really that's exactly what the shadow king is doing.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's reading her mind and then taking advantage of manipulating her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was just really hard to watch to see her get broken down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was able to see after Melanie left the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's, you know, just broken down in front of one of those tables.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she can see David after what he's done to Oliver and what he tells, you know, because to me, like you said, David,
[SPEAKER_00]: He might get some enjoyment out of this out of, you know, using his power and stuff and what it can do and what he can do, I should say.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you could see he struggles with it and like the shadow king who doesn't, he does struggle.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said that.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's an understandable impulse when somebody's fucking with you and you are getting back at them.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, look at Carrie, girl, Carrie, when she's fighting those monks, she's hurting them and she's totally getting off on it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because fuck you, you tried to hurt me, you swirled your little balls around and made my guys throw up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, so the thing is with David, he's so powerful that when he gets into that mode, he'll, you know, your brains will just explode or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's super lethal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can't really blame him too much for wanting to get back at the shadow king just a little bit for taking, you know, having complete control of him since he was at TV, you know, and maybe wanting to get back at him just a little bit and torture him a little and, you know, try to
[SPEAKER_00]: pain back a little bit for what he's done and and he is an evil person but you know I just I don't know if she was watching that or not a really paid attention and saw that he's still struggled with with that he's like he is worried and I mean I don't think true psychopaths really question themselves like that do they are they cognizant yeah no no I I really do think yeah that like I said we can't get too taken in with Melanie slash shadow kings argument about this
[SPEAKER_06]: because yeah, she's just dismissing him as a psychopath or, you know, can you change a serial killer or a wife beater?
[SPEAKER_06]: And David's nothing like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, yeah, he does get intense with his enemies and that is definitely something to be concerned about, but like you're saying, he questions himself and he struggles with it and he has shown other times that he's totally, has a totally good heart the way he interacts with, sit and other people, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that was, that was the part that we're hard to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was kind of hard to watch David really getting off on on the torture, even though he was like he said, doing it for a good reason, trying to find Sydney.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just really hard to watch to see Sydney's fall.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't know if we could trust all those visions either, because when we saw firsthand him torturing Oliver, he looked intense, but he didn't have that creepy grin on his face.
[SPEAKER_06]: Only when we saw it in those circular saucer things, and I think Shadow King can manipulate that.
[SPEAKER_00]: that she was definitely right yeah so you can take you know it's just like editing for TV you can take any slice of film that you want and edit it for your friends and put your own narrative on it and use it for your own purposes and change the context of it you know and make it what you want I think that's what what she was doing during that scene
[SPEAKER_06]: Well also he could like just make the look on his face look different than it actually was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_06]: One thing I forgot to mention that I really liked about Melanie, you know, Sydney when she first came in.
[SPEAKER_06]: She was totally dismissive of Melanie and Melanie's like that says that praying man is thing and then she's like, here we are addicted to this delusion of love and since like
[SPEAKER_06]: We must be underground.
[SPEAKER_06]: I fell a long way.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's like you're not listening.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's sick.
[SPEAKER_06]: I get it all over a left in your post.
[SPEAKER_06]: But that's not what's happening to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: And honestly, I'm kind of sick of talking about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it reminds me of people who just kind of wallow in their pain all the time.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you're like, OK, OK, I get it.
[SPEAKER_06]: You need to like get your act together, OK, because we're tired of hearing about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Noah Holly kind of got where we were at all of us watchers of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of us viewers were kind of like speaking our words through Sydney at that moment because I'm like honestly I'm kind of sick of talking about it because I'm like thank you Sydney.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of sick of hearing about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And there's some people in my life I know that are kind of like that and I want to help them and but after a while it's like all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: but they don't want to help themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like people were trying to help Melanie and trying to like, okay, we get at your sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to allow you to grieve and be sad, but now it's time to get back to business.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's focus on something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: She just stops.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to focus on something else and maybe let's figure out how to get all of her back instead of wallowing and self-pity and getting high.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or start a new hobby or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, put away the smoking elephant and let's focus on doing some sort of thing your own smoking elephants Okay, we're gonna.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was that was my number two
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, my number two is turning sit against David and so you were talking about how Melanie says a lot of things that are true and in particular when they showed a little montage of David's life.
[SPEAKER_06]: She goes, all his life he's been tricked and abused, his head filled with voices, he's seen things horrible things, things no child should ever see.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he lied and he stole and he ruined everything and he wore his madness like a coat and then he hanged himself because he saw what he becomes which we don't know if that's actually true.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought that too.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then when his life was truly over he spent five years in mental hospital and then she says he's psychopath
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's the way to lie.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's how the devil gets you by telling a lot of truths and half truths that you know are true or close to the truth.
[SPEAKER_06]: So then you start trusting what they're saying and then they can twist it off the path a little bit.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's how she got her.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, by the time that Carrie finds Melanie, she's saying, I have to stop David, which is exactly what future said that's her mindset.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so it makes me wonder if David really does destroy the world, then now it's suddenly I'm on the other side of the argument.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yep, you got to stop him.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I really don't want him to just be a straight up villain.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want him to have villainous tendencies that be fine, but I don't want to lose also where he struggles to be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think that's what we're going to get.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're going to lose David completely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're going to see a complete flip.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that we're going to see him skirt more towards the spine line.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe see more of it where he maybe does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he uses his power when he shouldn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he goes too far when he shouldn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And say, maybe just a little would do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes to an extreme or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we see him.
[SPEAKER_00]: get more enjoyment out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't think we're going to see him go full villain, but knowing that the potentials there, I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the danger side of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: That'd be perfect.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: What's your number one?
[SPEAKER_00]: My number one is Future David.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what we saw, and of course the shadow king, I don't trust what he was saying or Melanie was saying to Sydney and you know trying to flip her and use those doubts and insecurities that she has.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't completely buy that, but I do think
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned it earlier when we were talking about it that how it becomes like a self-fulfilling prophecy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And are we going to see the beginning of Legion from the comics, the world killer?
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like like you said, Sydney told Ferruc what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he knows what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: He takes Sydney, like he's the one that like kidnapped her and brings her down to this hole, knowing that this is going to be what pushes David over the edge and start to bring that out in him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like he's kind of making all of this, you know, come true.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it makes me wonder that, you know, for Rook has been a challenging adversary to David, even without his body.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think David will do when he has to harness that power to defeat fruit?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what do you think is going to happen with that?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think this is going to be ended up being like a Greek tragedy that everyone spends their time trying to avoid it, and then it comes through fruition.
[SPEAKER_06]: So maybe, so maybe David will kill a fruit in the desert, but since fruit has succeeded in turning sit against him, that Sid will take some kind of an action against David, maybe he'll like shoot him with when he's gone or something, and maybe that'll drive him nuts and he'll just like
[SPEAKER_06]: Send off the huge explosion that destroys the world or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wouldn't be surprised if next season is post-the-pocalypse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and they, they showed us that scene again with Clark and Sidney where we didn't see it this scene that they cut, but when it aired originally, Clark kind of took Sidney's arm kind of described her and he's like, you know, just he was like basically warning her like, well, don't go breaking his heart because he's then he's gonna go, you know, completely berserk and he will kill everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, then here we have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have Sydney who feels here at the end of the episode whether or not I don't know how this will play out if she'll come back around or what's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here at the end of this episode she's like David's the one we have to stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not for who gets David.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when David and Sydney are confront when they I believe they will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, the next episode will confront each other and she turns on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's gonna push him.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, with the edge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm just, yes, I'm just repeating that same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that all of this is, yes, it's for shadowing, but I think that it won't be, it won't be just for Rook that, you know, kidnapping.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just the beginning of it with for Rook kind of pushing David and getting him into that point and seeing that dangerous side of him where he kind of lings a little bit more devilish and cruel.
[SPEAKER_06]: If we did get into post-apocalyptic, that would conflict with the state of the cinematic Marvel Universe, which I'm not sure if it's ever been said, but Legion is done by Marvel, and it's supposed to be part of the Marvel Universe, but they could just say that it's an alternate reality.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's true because he can make, fruit and, um, a David both are supposed to be strong enough to make the world, but they, you can make your own reality.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not only that, but it's the multiverse, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: So just like that episode that showed all the different realities, well, what was Tweaker David saying about the branches of the branches of the branches, whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: So this is going to just be another branch where we got post a pucalyptic David earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_06]: Alright, my number one is the rest of the crew, Lenny, Kerry, Kerry, Clark, which we pretty much talked through, but there were just a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love that they played James Addiction while Kerry was kicking ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, good song choice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, ocean size.
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like this show's being made just for me when stuff like that happens.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's all which I was ocean size.
[SPEAKER_06]: They cannot move you.
[SPEAKER_06]: No one tries.
[SPEAKER_06]: No one pulls you out from your hole like a tooth aching a job bone.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then I speaking of that, I forgot to mention, but I also liked when they played radio head when we were revisiting Sid telling Clark, she was going after David, everything true love, which is, I'll drown my beliefs to have your babies.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll dress like your niece and wash your swollen feet, just don't leave, don't leave.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not living, I'm just killing time.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're tiny hands, you're crazy, kittens mile.
[SPEAKER_06]: And true love waits in haunted, addicts, and true love lives on lollipops and crisps.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just don't leave, don't leave.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know, that's another radio ahead in Jane's addiction or two of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great songs, great bands.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then last, this scene was really funny when it was night and Clark was setting up that choke thing that tuning fork and the shadow king strolls up and he's got his evil laugh and his arms out and everyone just drops except for the vermillion.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then I'll conflict imminent chance of victory zero percent retreat and they turn around and they don't run, they just kind of walk, we just walk off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it was just, I'm just gonna like, okay, I'd be running.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, oh, retreat.
[SPEAKER_06]: That just may be laugh the way you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's brilliant.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm done.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't even have any notes to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: No notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to look over some of my notes that we haven't already talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of wondering, I kind of thought, and it doesn't, I know we have one more episode, so maybe it will, and maybe it meant nothing, but I was kind of disappointed that we didn't really get to see what the point of that machine was.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was on Amy and Lenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It maybe it wasn't, maybe the only point was just to merge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lenny intay me's body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll see it come into play if maybe we won't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really have any theories, but I just thought it was going to mean more.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, well, I thought that they were going to use it to put fruit into David's body, but maybe not, you know, it doesn't matter if it doesn't come back.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's tons of shit that crops up on the show and then never comes back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, and I was, it wasn't even sure if I went to mention it or not, but I thought, well, I just thought it was going to play more of a part, and maybe it played the part that was meant to, and that was it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm okay with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned earlier the lines about whenever Melanie and Sydney, when she first was down in the hole and talking to Melanie, whenever Sydney is having to sit there and listen to her, drone on and on, and Melanie says, no piece of ask and ever compete with that, and Sydney just, I'm in hell.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm in hell because she just tried to leave and she came right back into the room which makes me feel like it's she can't get away from this whining like self-pitting and then that line in particular is just so cynical it's like yeah in order to keep your man you have to be really sexy because that's the your only value to him and she's like fuck man can't get me out of here
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's just wanting to get out, realize she's in a maze, can't, you know, doesn't understand why she's there, but it's going on, she has had this hook in her hand.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's nothing good about this situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, and now she's stuck with, you know, whiny ass Melanie.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, the bunny fishing thing was awesome too, by the way.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was, but I was, I knew.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was kind of like really you're gonna fall for that a bunny comes I know well, who would expect it like I might fall for it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been completely suspicious.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have helped the bunny, but I would have been like a lot more alert as to maybe don't pick up the hook.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get it away from like get it out the bunny and kick it aside.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just absurd.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just more.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the big, the big plug.
[SPEAKER_06]: What would work the most?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like for me, if it was a big chocolate bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'd be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: A big giant Hershey's dangling from a good thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some dark chocolate.
[SPEAKER_06]: We used to, like, uh, when we were in, um, on band trips, we'd take fishing line and hook it to, like, a five dollar bill and put it out there and wait for somebody to go trying to grab it and then just jerk it out of the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good grief.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's for fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Too much time when you're hands.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked also whenever David came up on Oliver and Oliver says, there you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you always been this slow?
[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought that was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, where is she?
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, chill baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no boo who here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that line in that interaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that even though it wasn't, I was a little bit confused that, because I never really bought that Oliver was possessed fully by for Rook in that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew from the time that I saw Melanie that that was for the whole time.
[SPEAKER_00]: possessing her and had control, but it seems that all of her wasn't able to tell David what was happening.
[SPEAKER_06]: He zipped his list through the key.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like he left something psychically in his brain to prevent him from telling David the truth, so he was still maybe he left some sort of impression in his brain or his head or something that prevented him from doing that, that he couldn't talk, he couldn't tell him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it seemed like there was still enough of the true Oliver still there, so I really liked that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is all my notes.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, we're back at the time for the news.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, just a couple items this week, and we've already talked about the big one that I wanted to make sure that everyone was aware of if you haven't, you know, seen it out in the news already that Yatt Legion has been renewed for a third season at FX.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm shocked.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't think it was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was really worried.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was legit sweating.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was running off.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, nope, this show's over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're gonna be cynical for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna be cynical again.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're never going to trust.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're never going to be in a good place.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're always going to have doubts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're laying those doubts and securities get you like Sidney does.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to let that go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was worried about you.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like psychotropic drugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, when they announced episode eleven, you know, after we knew that this was a ten episode season, and I was like, oh crap, it's not going to get renewed.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, the ratings, too, they're in like the low hundred thousands.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the ratings is literally drawn.
[SPEAKER_06]: The lowest rate of showings ever shown.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes me really sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought, OK, so when you look at the ratings, you look at them adding a new episode, they're going to give them an opportunity to say, OK, we're going to somehow allow you to wrap this up in the season because you're you're done.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that really worried me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sweating it out, but really great news.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's currently there has not been an official air date, but it is slated to air in, twenty nineteen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the next item that I have is not directly related to Legion, but it is Noah Hawley.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is from Vulture.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was an interview that they had with Noah Hawley, and it's an update on Dr. Doom.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the good news is Hawley has finished his screen plagues.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't heard anything in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just knew that it was out there when he announced it, but we haven't heard anything in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's finished his screen play.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says our rotoscrip that I really like, and the studio really likes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It needs a little work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says the bad news, or he doesn't say, but they say the bad news is it's not getting filmed in the near future.
[SPEAKER_00]: Holly said there are a pair of roadblocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first is the fact that he's about to drug Natalie Portman and John Hamm, also Dan Stevens, who's joined that cast in the astronaut drama, Pale Blue Dot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking about revisions to the Doom script, Holly says it's hard for me at this exact moment, because I start shooting another movie in five weeks to do that work.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, my hope is to get back to the Doom movie after Pale Blue Dot.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other barricade is a corporate win.
[SPEAKER_00]: As of now, Fox holds the movie rights to the Fantastic Four franchise, which includes Doom.
[SPEAKER_00]: As you may have heard Disney, the parent company of Marvel Comics might devour Fox, which would mean Disney's Marvel Studios, folks who made the Avengers movies would suddenly have access to the Fantastic Four and their eternal nemesis.
[SPEAKER_00]: The merger is very much in the up in the air at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Holly's let very in project is up there with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I know there's also a little uncertainty given the potential for a Disney merger in the fact that Marvel may regain control of X man and fantastic for.
[SPEAKER_00]: They may have a plan of their own and a desk drawer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's some sort of a sense of uncertainty.
[SPEAKER_06]: interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think him doing doom is is cool, but if he can't do it, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I'm not like clamoring.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it'd be great.
[SPEAKER_06]: But if he's kind of a hot property right now, I don't know if he is, but hopefully, and he keeps getting work.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm just about as excited to see whatever he's doing.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, I don't really care too much.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like whatever projects he's got, I'm there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's, I feel one of the busiest writers in Hollywood right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's working on Dr. Doom.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got Pail Blue Dot.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has Legion and Fargo.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Fargo, he's so behind with everything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he has all these other projects.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fargo isn't even slated to maybe air until twenty twenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Season four.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't know for sure yet, but he's I'm just that because for a while there he was saying he didn't know if there would be a season four there had to be a good story and now he's like, oh yeah, I thought of a good story.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's it for the news.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's get in some mental notes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Steve Brown says that pink structure with the string of pearls looking chain look like a drain plug to me to say I don't understand seems redundant.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I think you understand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Elliot says, was listening to your podcast for season two episode nine?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're supposed to connect Melonie's condition with Ham's monologue from the previous episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: The show has done this a couple times a season.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what Melonie tries to tell Kerry in this episode sounds more like slip-a-sism than narcissism.
[SPEAKER_00]: Narcissism's believe they are superior to others and that other feelings do not matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slipsists aren't sure if other people actually exist.
[SPEAKER_06]: when she was saying reality is not real or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Goes on to say totally different topic.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you talked about the position of the women on the show, it instantly reminded me of the beg to test.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you find a scene where two or more women speak about any other topic than a man?
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the rectal test yet to see if I guess I don't know what the object of the test is, but it's something about seeing if a movie is respectful towards women or has, you know, women characters that don't talk about a man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard of that, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: Goes on to say, although it's an ensemble cast, this show is still, I think, the story of David Holler.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the show can get away with having most scenes have him on screen or as a topic of conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: That said, this particular episode still passes the test for whatever that's worth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Melanie plus Carrie, Lenny plus New Janine, Lenny plus Amy, except for the final, do it David once exchange.
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep up the great work.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, because last week's episode was particularly a departure from David.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think on purpose, like they were like, let's see what it would be like to do an episode without David.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it is good that they weren't just talking about David the whole time they were having their lives and everything pretty much.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay Steve from Pittsburgh says hi guys love the podcast and so thrilled Legion was renewed for a third season.
[SPEAKER_06]: You seriously had me worried when you were speculating if the extra episode FX ordered could be a series wrap up who?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well you're welcome because it's nice to have a little drama in your life and then have it be resolved in a satisfying way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bring the drama.
[SPEAKER_06]: happy to do.
[SPEAKER_06]: You didn't comment last week on the remark David made about meet me at the clock of the long now.
[SPEAKER_06]: I recognized the name from a project I'd heard of called long now, which is a foundation interested in extreme long-term thinking.
[SPEAKER_06]: They had an article I read years ago about how the further the time is separating our generation from another the less we care.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we care about ourselves.
[SPEAKER_06]: Of course, our children, our grandchildren, but any further beyond that is difficult for us to conceptualize and therefore to give a shit about us our current destruction of the planet.
[SPEAKER_06]: Their clock goes along with that whole mode of thinking.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's a link.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's long now.org slash clock.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's long now.org slash clock.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm excited to see how if that will play into David's plan.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is really fascinating and what's really interesting is this whole organization that the what was it called?
[SPEAKER_06]: Long now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a foundation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Long now foundation.
[SPEAKER_06]: They have a bar that's in Fort Mason here in San Francisco, which is very it's the same place where we have Walker Stocker Con when they're here or we've had it a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I had a listener meet up in this bar that is part of this foundation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Cool and it has all these books and it looks like it's out of the nineties video game mist because it has these weird time pieces and all these really cool structures and things like that and The glass the glasses are shaped kind of sphereoid and cool looking and stuff like that I don't know why Why I'm matching this, but it's just funny that a listener wrote in about this and I knew the place that they're talking about
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to check that out.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, long term thinking is good.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm sure this relates to that, especially when you're talking about the destruction of the planet.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, I hope they hope that comes back in the clock of the long now.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, that is our show episode eight team.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for listening, everybody.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to thank Rhett Ward von Dornberg again for letting us use the song.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's playing right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's called Stay A Wild.
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