[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I name my pets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Things like Temperey.
[SPEAKER_03]: Temperey?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to Recatopia, a happy home for recommended movies, TV shows, music, video games, foodstuffs, and more from three people you can definitely trust.
[SPEAKER_03]: Trustability varies by region no guarantees implied.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now here are your hosts, Chris Akinson, Jeremy Scott, and Erin Dyson.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not here at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello everybody!
[SPEAKER_01]: It is episode one hundred and seventy-three of Wrecktopia.
[SPEAKER_01]: My name is Chris Atkinson joined by Jeremy Scott.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, here's a dooby for your walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we are also joined by Aaron Dyser.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi to the whole.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got a hand into this movie, arenos?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this movie has been referenced by Jeremy and Aaron is going to be winter's bone today.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, be interesting to talk about this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also like to welcome chat who have come out here to watch us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about movies on a Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: We appreciate you coming out and watching us today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, let's start off with our small recommends.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's no big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: So small and light.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's small.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's tiny.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's petite.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Aaron, let's go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, let's talk about Eddington.
[SPEAKER_04]: Shall we?
[SPEAKER_04]: We must.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I loved this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, uh, is Ari or Ari?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's Ari.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Ari.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's Ari.
[SPEAKER_04]: What I usually say.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ari Astor has been
[SPEAKER_04]: a really interesting journey for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hereditary was just completely miss me, didn't enjoy it, not my kind of movie, one of those kind of things where it just didn't work for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then following it up with mid-summer, which I loved because I loved a lot of the things that was doing, a lot of things that it was saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Beau was afraid kind of missed me again, although there were parts of Beau was afraid that I really liked
[SPEAKER_04]: And then this one just nailed me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's possibly his most excessive, not excessive, accessible movie, if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_04]: And because of that, maybe there's a way in, but he's not pulling punches with
[SPEAKER_04]: kind of the commentary, the violence, those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just to give you a little background on what we're doing here, Joaquin Phoenix plays a small town sheriff, Pedro Pascal plays the same small town mayor.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are kind of the figures in this pandemic set.
[SPEAKER_04]: battle between polar sides, which is something we've all experienced throughout time, not just during the pandemic, but that seemed to heighten a lot of things about the polarization of our country, those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Emma Stone is Joaquin's wife, Austin Butler, steps in with a really interesting performance.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a good cast here.
[SPEAKER_04]: And most importantly, for me, I walked away from this movie chewing on so
[SPEAKER_04]: much.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he has a way in this movie of, this will be a bad word to some people I apologize.
[SPEAKER_04]: He has a way of being centrist in this movie that I find really fascinating because there's an element of empathy for all of the characters no matter what quote unquote side they fall on.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's a way that it shows how radicalization impacts our lives, not through the grander scale that we usually think of it, but because of the personal intimate things that are going on in our lives, how they impact the way we eradicize the way we believe those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Beyond that, it's just, it's a really fascinating
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say comedy of errors, but more tragedy of errors as the movie just kind of descends into this small town hell.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I have a lot to say about this, but so much of it needs spoiling to say it probably, but man, I'm still thinking about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: explain my side remark earlier.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know anything about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've just read headlines and on the headlines are exhausting me because this movie is apparently very divisive.
[SPEAKER_03]: We either hated or love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems and I'm seeing so many headlines that
[SPEAKER_03]: actually, Eddington is the best movie ever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the next headline I really would be like, Eddington sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_03]: And the next headline I read was like, half of Eddington was great and half of it was terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just, you know, I haven't read any of these reviews.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, you know, I consume a lot of
[SPEAKER_03]: media, and a lot of is just looking at a headline going, do I want to read that?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but it just seems like it's a really polarizing movie, so I'll be really curious when I finally see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: How I land on it, but you know, I like all the actors.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like you when it comes to Ariaster, basically
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been hit or missed for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm more miss.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like mid-Summer, believe it or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's a very interesting movie for him to make after what I've seen him make prior to this song.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cheers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't a fan of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in the I'm in the camp of there are a lot of good things and there are a lot of bad things about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think this movie is focused enough on to to fully recommend it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like it starts off a certain way that I'm like, okay, I can get along with this a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: All though it is a little bit tiring, re-litigating COVID again.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what this movie does a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have some funny observations, you know, how people who would wear masks, where the mask underneath the nose and stuff like that and like, you know, what do we do in here?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we do in here?
[SPEAKER_01]: But then there's a direction this movie takes that I'm like, yeah, what do we do in here?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we do in here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was like, does this movie have to be two and a half hours?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it have to go in like two or three different directions?
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't following it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: This could be a movie that I watched later on down the line.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, I love everything about what this movie did.
[SPEAKER_01]: But right now, having freshly watched it, I'm not a seconder on this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot to be warned about before you go and watch it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that's fair.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's absolutely fair.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I understand
[SPEAKER_04]: the the some of the the hate this movie is getting and a lot of it is the falls under the category not for everybody but for some of too soon like we just went through this lake I'm not ready to you know think about this right now and I get that I heard somebody describe the movie is a mirror and you know the idea that because it it focuses on the
[SPEAKER_04]: the ridiculousness of humanity, both conservative liberal, right, left, whatever, that sometimes it's hard to see ourselves in movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think there's a little bit of truth there.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what I hear you saying is that the movie didn't have a consistency for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: It tried to do too much and kind of went all over the place, which is not how I felt when watching it, but I totally understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I kind of felt like the in the other directions that sort of took their
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it could have, it could have been a little bit, it's hard to say without spoiling it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, I'll, I'll leave it at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, uh, but, uh, yeah, I don't find the time to make a movie with this guy, uh, in between all the Lanthromos movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she's barely in this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's not, she's not in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So neither is, well, I won't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy, what do you got?
[SPEAKER_03]: I got Frost Nixon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, with Frank Langella and Michael Sheen.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a movie I caught a few days ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was basically my third time seeing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just really solid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, that Ron Howard might be a good filmmaker.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is about a real set of interviews that David Frost, a journalist from the UK, conducted with Richard Nixon after Nixon had been disgraced and less.
[SPEAKER_03]: left office.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are real interviews.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can track down the footage and watch them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the movie is interested in both how the interviews come together because Frost is not a journalist that one would say the world really respects right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's more of a goofy talk show host with pretty ladies on his arm.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's passionate.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to do this interview.
[SPEAKER_03]: The cast is stacked.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me just give you the rundown here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Franklin, Michael Sheen, Sam Rockwell, Kevin Bacon, Matthew McFadden, Oliver Platte, Rebecca Hall, Toby Jones.
[SPEAKER_03]: And basically it's the negotiation between Frost's people and Nixon's people on how the interviews will take place.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then there's the drama regarding him trying to find a network to run this or sponsors to pay for this, which proves to be difficult.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's one of those things that, you know, it's kind of a miracle these interviews ended up happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: But once they do happen, the focus becomes the game'smanship between really strong debate or like Nixon, and frost, basically a babe in the journalistic woods, if you will.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Nixon just stomps on him for three days, just runs wild.
[SPEAKER_03]: Frost really wants to nail Nixon, get him to admit something, get him to say sorry or what have you.
[SPEAKER_03]: It all comes down to the fourth day, which is the only day he's allowed to ask about Watergate and whether or not he will nail Nixon or Nixon will continue to run all over him.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is based on a stage play.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even if you know how it happens in the real world, this is a pretty riveting launch to see it unfold.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just really, really liked it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Frost slash mixing is the actual one of the like I think four or five Ron Howard based on real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I think it is five based on real life movies that are all excellent in some way.
[SPEAKER_01]: The interesting thing about this is exactly as you were describing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that a lot of these frost nicks and interviews, if you were to watch them uncut,
[SPEAKER_01]: throughout there be a lot of boring shit in there and you wouldn't even you know know that something big happened out of these interviews until you finally get to the one part where this movie focuses on you know where he finally got him to say something and whatever but yeah another another this is another one I can recommend I haven't seen it since it came out though it was really good
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I saw a few times that year it came out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really, really liked it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's kind of one of those movies and Ron Howard is really good at this where it just feels like it builds really well and it feels good.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then the thing happens and you're like,
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the thing happened, you know, and it's late.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's really going to do it in that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I for one am always excited to see what he's up to.
[SPEAKER_04]: Eden, I think he has coming up seems to be like it's going to be really cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, we'll keep an eye on Ronnie, boy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Little Opie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, keep an eye on him, move up and come or we hope we wish him the best All right on to my a small recommend which is city lights from nineteen thirty one Charlie Chaplin made this movie in a in an era where sound had become a thing like people came to watch talkies at this point, but he came out with this movie
[SPEAKER_01]: from the other era basically in nineteen thirty one and he plays again his familiar trap character who in the beginning of the movie saves a rich person from throwing himself into the river
[SPEAKER_01]: And they become friends, but the problem is that it seems like this wealthy man only recognizes Charlie Chaplin when he is drunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when there's a point where when he soaps up he even wonders who the hell this guy is that's in his house that's been invited in.
[SPEAKER_01]: and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the meantime, Jacqueline also runs into a blind girl selling flowers and falls in love with her and a starts at some point.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sort of represents who he is after awhile.
[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks he's a wealthy person because the wealthy
[SPEAKER_01]: guys been given in money and he's been using the money to help her out and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then there's at one point where there's a sort of a point where the girl and her mother or grandmother are sent a note saying you owe this amount of rent or you're going to be kicked out tomorrow or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Chaplain goes around looking for jobs to help her out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, that's just the bear bones plot
[SPEAKER_01]: synopsis if you know chaplain movies you know that each scenario has a whole bunch of things that he has set up to to do comedy basically and and so there's a lot of like you know just really fun chaplain set set pieces and everything I was reading some trivia on this apparently he was so controlling about how everything should look in this movie and how everything should be done
[SPEAKER_01]: that he would go up to the actors and like he would play their parts and then he would go and play his own part and back to his own parts and this is how you do this and there was an interview with somebody from a survivor from that film like from two thousands or whatever who said I think that if the chaplain had his way he would have played everybody's part and then this movie because he's so so so so dedicated to what it was supposed to look like but
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're if this is considered, I think his best one of his best at least, I know that he considers it his best and there's a lot of like big time filmmakers who believe this is his all time best or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure about that myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a good, uh, uh, fifteen to twenty chaplain movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if this is my favorite one, but it is certainly, it's got an ending that will get you for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the ending will get to, uh, uh, and it's one of those things that it leaves you with that impression that you have watched one of the best movies ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though, I think, I think, I think it's, I think it's really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to like downplay it or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that it's like, it's weird that this one's considered the best and there's like others that I think he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: more interesting stunt work and camera work and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, good movie, highly recommend it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's really, it's a really interesting story that you touched on about deciding to make another silent film when silent films were pretty much, you know, on the way out.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it works.
[SPEAKER_04]: He does use some sound effects, which is interesting because, you know, he does have some sound in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I really enjoy this one as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the ending is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It also, it's also really interesting how it uses the flower girl's blindness as a part of many humor setups, many gags, you know, that kind of thing without it ever feeling mean like it never feels
[SPEAKER_04]: like, you know, they're punching down going, or that it's making, you know, light of her blindness, or whatever, it just feels, and part of that is because of the romantic relationship between them.
[SPEAKER_04]: It always feels like, you know, that it's honoring her.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, yeah, it's really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, fascinated by the turn from silent to talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love and Babylon when Brad Pitt goes into the audience of his first talkie.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's been a film star.
[SPEAKER_03]: And his voice is so ridiculously entire audience just starts laughing at him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, it's an entirely different kind of acting to do a silent film than to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's almost no one that could immediately cross over from one to the other.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, acting on stage versus acting on television.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: On to our big recommend, which is Winter's Bone, and this was Aaron's pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Aaron, take it away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot to watch him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that you're so...
[SPEAKER_00]: Big.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good role, but it's bigger than rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's bigger on the inside.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_04]: I know this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, winter's bone is a two thousand ten thriller directed by Deborah Granick in known for introducing most of the world to Jennifer Lawrence.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, the movie was a huge hit critically and filmed in the Ozarks of Missouri despite never once visiting Silvered Aller City or Lambert's The Home of Throed Rolls.
[SPEAKER_04]: The movie starts with a woman singing an Occupella tribute to down-home Missouri as a couple of kids play on a rickety trampoline, try to skateboard on a dirt driveway, and a young woman does laundry outdoors.
[SPEAKER_04]: That woman is seventeen-year-old Reed Dolly, played by Jennifer Lawrence, and she's clearly raising her younger brother and sister an abject poverty in the hills of the Ozarks.
[SPEAKER_04]: We see her doing her mom's hair and walking the kids to school while doing some spelling lessons on the way.
[SPEAKER_04]: After some time prepping on after some time peeping on a baby raising class in the ROTC at the school that she goes to, she has to get rid of her horse because she doesn't have the money for feeding hay to it anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the movie didn't want its beating of the dead horse about poverty to become literal instead of figurative.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then it's back to the homestead to chop some wood and you get the sense that Re is doing everything she can just to survive.
[SPEAKER_04]: The police stop by to talk to Re's mom about Re's daddy being out of jail and well he might be cooking meth again and worse than that he signed over their property for bond and can't be found anywhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: If he doesn't show up, they'll lose the meager existence they currently have because his bond was tied to the property.
[SPEAKER_04]: She swears she'll find him in the police head away.
[SPEAKER_04]: The neighbors bring over some venison and offer use of their wood splitter and check in about what the police were doing at the house.
[SPEAKER_04]: Breathing goes to a friend's house to see if she can borrow some wheels to get down to the Arkansas line to try to find her dad.
[SPEAKER_04]: But the husband of the friend says no, and then re-chastizes her friend for being such a trad.
[SPEAKER_04]: The next stop he is to visit her dad's brother Teardrop, who also doesn't seem to want to help, as indicated by the way he chokes her when he she dares to ask twice.
[SPEAKER_04]: little Arthur is mentioned, but we get the sense this isn't someone you want to get messed up with.
[SPEAKER_04]: But a gift in a dooby later for the road, she's headed that way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: That trip doesn't really bring much, but she's then sent up the hill further to another dangerous Ozarkian, and the movie is turning into quite a redneck mafia scavenger hunt.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the guy's name is Thump, and whoever's in charge of the Ozark nickname distribution needs checking in on.
[SPEAKER_04]: After some convincing, the woman's standing guard for Thump goes to ask him, but she is turned away again, and Ria's told to go back home, or else.
[SPEAKER_04]: Reed does head back home, but halfway through browning some taters, she's dragged out to go see the meth house that her dad supposedly died in, even though she says he was known for never messing up a cook.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was like his thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: He didn't mess up the cooks.
[SPEAKER_04]: When they get back, Reed tells the kindly neighbor that maybe if he wants to lie about her dad dying in a meth explosion, it should be at a house without so much foliage growth to prove him wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: Reed does some rifle safety with her younger brother and sister, and then her friend from earlier shows up to prove she's no pushover as she now has the keys to the truck that she managed to sneak away from her track suit, hubby.
[SPEAKER_04]: The first stop finds this at a birthday party with a full Ozarky and jam session at the house of a former fling of her father, Jessup.
[SPEAKER_04]: The woman says she saw her dad Jess up a few months ago and he was happy, but then she spotted him a few weeks ago and she could tell by the dead looking his eyes that something absolutely terrible was going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Back at home it's time for a squirrel hunt and Sandy and Rocky are shot skinned and stewed as the kids continue prepping for their roles in the upcoming sequel hundreds of squirrels.
[SPEAKER_04]: Later at the logs splitter, brother Teardrop shows up again to see if she likes drugs yet and to encourage Rie to sell the woods while she can as Jessup missed his court date this morning and he ain't never coming back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Rie has a heart to heart with her unresponsive mother about it but she remains hero health.
[SPEAKER_04]: Letter when later when the bonds man shows up, she finds out that she basically has a weak left at the current homestead unless she can prove that her dad is dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: You said a heart to heart with her unresponsive mother.
[SPEAKER_03]: When that must be a heart.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is exactly correct.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, out of desperation now retracts down thump at the local catalog shed and ends up beaten hog tied and kidnapped for her trouble.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bleddy didn't bruise, she finally gets her audience with thump and lays out the situation before brother Teardop shows up to vouch for her and take her home to safety.
[SPEAKER_04]: Turns out that Jessup had turned rat and that's why thump had him killed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Teardrop asks her to keep him in the dark about anything she does because he knows that his life is on the line as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Some black and white squirrel footage later, Rie has recovered enough to have discussions about finding places for her siblings and getting the low down on how a military signing bonus actually works.
[SPEAKER_04]: Brother Teardrop comes by and grabs Rie for an excursion to the local hockey talk to try to get more answers.
[SPEAKER_04]: But instead of answers, Teardrop just ends up doing some windshield work with an axe that encourages the owner of the trucky smash to quote some tombstone at him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Later that night, Teardrop and Rhee are pulled over by the local sheriff, and in a tense stand-off, we're let in on the fact that it was this sheriff who told Thump that Jess-up turned rat and was the one who got him killed.
[SPEAKER_04]: When all seems lost, suddenly the sisterhood of Thump, Ex Machina, comes by to take Rhee to where her dad is buried.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, not actually buried, more like, damply secured.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's time to put it behind them, they say, so they potato sack her head and take her out to a canoe in the middle of the night.
[SPEAKER_04]: After making her dig around for her daddy's arm, they change saw the hand off for proof.
[SPEAKER_04]: But apparently, that's not enough because someone might cut their own hand off just to escape bond.
[SPEAKER_04]: And on one hand, that might seem a bit far, but on the other hand, many hands do make light work.
[SPEAKER_04]: He does her best, Holly Dunn in personation and delivers her daddy's hands to the law, and the house will now be theirs.
[SPEAKER_04]: As brother Teardrop comes by with some baby chicks to raise, the bondsman returns with what's left of the paid bond for the family to use, now that it's been proven, Jessup is dead.
[SPEAKER_04]: Meanwhile, you're still trying to place that Holly Dunn reference I just made, just trust me, it's a really good one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Finally, Teardrop plays some banjo on the front porch as reen her siblings listen on, reen offers him some of the bond money, but he says to hold on to it for him as little sister Ashley takes over the banjo playing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I suppose that's about it's happily ever after, as you're going to get in the hills of the Ozarks.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is Winter's Bone.
[SPEAKER_04]: What did you guys think?
[SPEAKER_04]: Watching it!
[SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead, Chris.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, very well deserved Oscar nominations for Jennifer Lawrence and John Hawks in this movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this was sort of a lot of people's first introduction to John Hawks.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had long career before this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was in deadwood and stuff like that, but like
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think very many people knew who he was before this movie came out, and he's really good, and I'm Jennifer Lawrence is only eighteen years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she was already just super good when she, I mean, I don't know, she's probably did some stuff before this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I was aware of her before this, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but she just had, there's something, there's something advantageous about not having seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone's like child filmography and then they, and then you see them as an adult because it's always hard to get that out of your head that they're not kids anymore a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was kind of, and it was kind of an interesting introduction to Jennifer Lawrence because
[SPEAKER_01]: she's just barely being she's still a kid but like she's just she's barely an adult when she makes this but she's already likes super good it's no wonder that she's shot up so quickly after this movie I mean she was like in just everything and just everything big and everybody wanted to turn in movies after this but
[SPEAKER_01]: The story is unique.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing that you don't see very often, where there is a murder, but who done it is not important.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the reasons why someone is looking to find out where the murder victim is,
[SPEAKER_01]: isn't so much oh I need closure or I need any of this it's to survive it's to find you know it's to find these you know to find proof that he's dead so that they don't know this money and they don't have to give up the house and all of that that is such a a different take on this kind of thing that we've seen so many times and
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one thing that's really, really stark about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very simple, but it also has a very different narrative that I don't think I've seen in other movies before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like overall there's the main thing I got out of this if there was anything deep to talk about is
[SPEAKER_01]: This is clearly a patriarchy that she's trying to need to solve a crime in and people don't want her to know where her father is because they don't want, you know, the law to come down on them and all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can tell that
[SPEAKER_01]: their small victories that can be had here and there if you if you I don't know if you have the right story if you appeal to the right people you know the very beginning she's able to give her horse to the one neighbor
[SPEAKER_01]: very reluctantly takes it but that's one sort of kindness she gets at the beginning then there's her I don't know what sister cousin or somebody I can't remember who it is that she goes to she wants to help but her husband obviously doesn't want to help it's getting that truck and all of that and every time she goes to these houses she's running into the women and the women are all like
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I'd love to help you, but if I do, there's an unfortunate consequence to them helping her at all, even though they feel in their heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a good reason to help her out.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not out to get us, even though that's what I think everybody, probably rightfully believes, especially since her dad just gave on, tried to turn on them and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a wearingess to her, even though her story is good and that they could easily help her out if they wanted to.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just don't want the heat and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is what this movie keeps building up to.
[SPEAKER_01]: She finally has appealed to the right people in Dale Dickie who's a great actress.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's been in a million different things and I think she's from Tennessee.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has probably the best performance outside of the two leads in this one and has one of the best characters as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, she finally appealed to the right person and someone who knew exactly the right way to give her what she wanted without screwing everybody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the same even though probably if she were to have been found out during this trip she would probably gotten killed too or something something bad would have happened to her as well so she's able to do this in a way that you know she had plausible deniability about what happened and and she can help her out in the end so I really like this it's a very simple movie like I said it's not there's not much to it other than
[SPEAKER_01]: very different narrative and a very subtle way of talking about the patriarchy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So really enjoyed this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this was my third time through.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love going so far as to say no one else could play this role, but
[SPEAKER_03]: this is the kind of role that you had to cast re perfectly because she literally not literally she carries the whole movie um she's in basically every scene um and she is our windowed everything and she has to play toughness in the right moments she has to play vulnerability on the right moments
[SPEAKER_03]: it's a really demanding role and it's I mean my opinion no wonder why she took off like a rocket after this because I think the industry went oh yeah okay that's somebody who's got range
[SPEAKER_03]: I got a tie at this point in my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anytime Garrett Delahont shows up in a movie, like a warm hug to me, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just, I just feel like, okay, I'm in a good place here.
[SPEAKER_03]: He seems to be in generally good movies and he's just a really welcoming, like when he showed, I forgot he was in this movie and when he showed up, I had a grin across my entire face just because I really like his presence.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the movie does a great job of having a character loom large who never appears on screen, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And build up the legend of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jessup was his name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Her dad, everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: knows her dad, everyone knows stories about her dad, and we only get to meet his severed hands.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't ever get to meet the man, and yet he informs so much of the actions that people who do appear on screen take.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's very tough to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think a lesser movie would have tried too hard, maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: One thing stuck with me this time that it hadn't ever stuck with me before and I don't know if it's profound or just stuck with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when she is teaching them how to feel dressed the squirrels, if you will.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, she snaps at her younger brother and says, sometimes you're going to have to do things, you're even older, you're scared of him or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he says, I'm not scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't want to.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that took me back to high school biology when we dissected frogs.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was afraid to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just didn't want to because that shit is gross.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like that could just be a throwaway line.
[SPEAKER_03]: Something a child says.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I feel like it does kind of apply to read throughout a lot of this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are certainly scenes moments where she's scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: When Dude comes to our house and basically forces her into the truck, I think she's scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when she's walking up to these houses and confronting these women, especially the first half of this movie, she's not scared.
[SPEAKER_03]: She just doesn't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: She doesn't want to have to go through this, but because her dad is an idiot and has disappeared after signing over their house, she's got no option.
[SPEAKER_03]: If she wants to care for these kids, if she wants to have a roof over her own head, this is the only path.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, uh, anyway, again, I'm not sure if I'm just reading too much into that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I actually wrote down, I only have one negative thing to say about this movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only negative thing I have to say about this movie is Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_03]: When someone feels like their world is closing in on them.
[SPEAKER_03]: cutting to a shot of vultures.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does not add anything to the moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: If someone is about to face a serious grave situation, throwing a thunderstorm in there does not add to the situation for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are visuals.
[SPEAKER_03]: that have been done to death.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now maybe not in twenty ten when the maybe not surely in twenty ten.
[SPEAKER_03]: When they cut to that moment, I was growing otherwise this movie is perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think everyone is really well cast like Chris said.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very simple.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's right to the point.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't waste a single scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, Jennifer Lawrence could never give another great performance again, and this would be an all-time performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing too that a lot of the actors who were cast and around the main ones were locals that they found, you know, they wanted to find, they wanted to be really authentic with everything and watch the commentary on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: commentary is okay to it's basically like a lot of this is what happened that day and this is what this person did and whatever but uh but like um but yeah like nearly all the actors that you see and especially before the IMDB a lot of these people don't have pictures or anything that's just you know they were hired right there in Missouri or Arkansas or something like that um and uh and they all
[SPEAKER_01]: they all do an amazing job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I wonder how this would have played if Jennifer Lawrence was already a huge star at the time and everything because because it kind of works out, it didn't end their favor that she's not when she comes back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't just don't imagine what that would have been like.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's funny though that whole story we're talking about about how she auditioned and they thought she was like too pretty and then she would
[SPEAKER_03]: walked into work and got the part.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's that's wild to me because she's still beautiful in this movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the made her ugly or anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but her talent cuts through any concern with regard to books.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and also she's from Kentucky.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that also sort of helped her out, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was even though she's already kind of shed a southern accent at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: My friend, Andrew, who I've podcasted with actually auditioned to be in this movie was taking acting classes at the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he has good friends that are in the movie, Andrew.
[SPEAKER_04]: that you know what I mean and just like that happens sometimes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So having said that, I didn't recognize any of those woods.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that I've been there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the school she went to is in Forsyth, which is just down the road.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I didn't really recognize a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: I actually want to go deeper on the things you said because you hit on the main things that I wanted to say.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chris, I think you were talking about how different this movie is in its construction of what the protagonist wants, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Usually there's revenge involved or, you know, like this is John, this is a John Wick story which is, you know, or in the first time you watch this, you can be forgiven for thinking that this is going to be a father daughter movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is going to be about, like, how fathers relate to their daughters or, you know, the consequences of the father's actions on their children and those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the father just isn't, you know, he's in a bag.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not, he's not available.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everything in this movie kind of feels like it's about
[SPEAKER_04]: doing what has to be done even though it's hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that squirrel scene you talk about is specifically there to bring home that kind of idea of we do what we have to to survive.
[SPEAKER_04]: We do the the perseverance of the necessary and take the next step even though it's dangerous even though it's hard because the alternative is just ending.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and we don't want to end.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I also just as a footnote, I appreciate that when she gave them an option of boiling or frying the squirrel, both kids immediately said fraud.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think the movie is doing something with the squirrel metaphor.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they are.
[SPEAKER_04]: She is the squirrel.
[SPEAKER_04]: In many ways, I think that's why she has the squirrel dream sequence, like this idea that
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, this little animal survives in the forest, despite having all these predators and all these things and, you know, there's just there's so much focus on squirrels in this that I do think there's an intent there to kind of do a little metaphor that's maybe a little more subtle than vultures in thunderstorms.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, there's that too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, yeah, I really enjoy this movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, enjoy the weird word.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm really into it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Every time I watch it, I just, I'm just really into it.
[SPEAKER_04]: A lot of that has to do with the performances.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, um, and yeah, there's just something about, you know, how is she going to accomplish this impossible thing?
[SPEAKER_04]: And, um, and keep her family.
[SPEAKER_04]: safe.
[SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, it's not fair.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's, you know, poverty is ugly and gross and in a nation.
[SPEAKER_04]: This wealthy certainly shouldn't be a thing like this.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just, it's just an interesting look at how you persevere through that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that the little bit of IMDB trivia, the guy that played the Army recruiter is a real Army recruiter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was giving answers that he would really give if those were the real questions.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that seems fascinating to me because it kind of flies in the face of what I've been taught to think about Army recruiters.
[SPEAKER_03]: maybe by movies, I don't know, or my own supposition, because he's almost turning her away at every chance he gets.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, he's trying to make sure, like, this is actually the right move for her and something that she wants.
[SPEAKER_03]: And anyway, I just thought that was interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably another cast somebody who's here in the area is an local to fill this small, but I thought that was neat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the way that was acted out I was almost certain that guy was a recruiter because it was nothing showy about it at all It was just very like matter of fact and friendly and You know, you know, and it might also be different Jeremy from other movies that you've seen because maybe it's because she's a woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know you know
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's a dude, maybe that's a completely different interview scenario there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess I always just assumed, I'm sure it's my assumption.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've always assumed recruiters are hard asses like
[SPEAKER_03]: drill sergeants, but that can't be the way they go about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has to be the opposite.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have to be really nice and friendly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then once you sign, then they give you over to the drill sergeants.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk to a recruiter, not because I was actively looking to get into the service or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: this recruiter did like I think saw me saw my size and all this other stuff and was like yeah you know you'd be a good soldier or whatever and he started talking to me and he says which is what your vision like and I said well it's like the whatever it was like twenty three thousand or something like my vision's horrible you know even though I put contacts and everything and he's like oh he's like
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even corrected, we couldn't allow you into the army or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is a good talking to you anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So sad.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's go on to our super secret double feature.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be very, very quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you a little secret to tell you something I've never told anyone?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go first this time, Jeremy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie that I went over, I went over probably about six or seven movies that I wanted to double feature this with.
[SPEAKER_01]: something, some sort of southern crime story or whatever, but what I ended up on is women talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of women living in a patriarchy and having to make decisions that
[SPEAKER_01]: They're in a really tough position there where it's like, if we don't do anything, then the horrible things that are happening to us are going to continue to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we decide to leave this place, even worse things could happen to us if we decide to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's no wonder why this is a big huge conversation and why it's so divided all the way through and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I kept coming up with on this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had several other ones lined up, but that one's the one that I couldn't shake, so that's the one I'm going to really like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fascinating, not to go back to Winter's bone, but that when Teardrop shows up to pick up her after she's been beat up, if the men had hit her.
[SPEAKER_03]: there would have been a problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the way I'm like, no, it was me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, my sisters did that and everybody okay with it at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we're system of rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have anything near that headdy and I'm disappointed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give you a movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: But my absolute perfect double feature would be a season of television.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Aaron you opened the bag on this last week, justified season two, which is set in the poor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hilly, countryside of Kentucky, and has a girl, it's Caitlin Deaver, who's dad has disappeared, and people close to her are ultimately responsible for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just think the tone of that season.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all I could think about, watch and winters bone.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's a lot of commitment.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like an eleven hour, twelve hour double features.
[SPEAKER_03]: So to give you a movie, so you can only spend four hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went with room.
[SPEAKER_03]: mostly because it's a woman with very few options who will do whatever it takes to safeguard the child in her keeping.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the circumstances are different for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Setting is different.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think those two female characters have a lot in common.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that would be a good double.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I even, I mean, yeah, I was considering like double featuring this with Ozark, because there's so many things here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here else to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought of mud the Matthew McConaughey, time shared and movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Killer Joe, another Matthew McConaughey movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Loanstar, another Matthew McConaughey movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly, but there were a lot of, a lot of these like southern flavored type movies that I was thinking of to team with this and that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like that a lot, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the, I like the justified one, even.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen that full second season to justify it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started the set series a long time ago, watched the first season and got through a little bit of the second and have been stopped and then have not continued.
[SPEAKER_01]: But one is a really good room.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody wants to, nobody wants to do Hillbilly, LG?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but no, no votes for Hillbilly, LG.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, have not seen the movie and be no.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so next week's homework it falls to me this time and I am going to go back to two thousand eight with the movie Balkery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry to a lot of you out there who know of Brian Singers piece of shit in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sorry about that, but I'm going to go with this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a movie that I feel like.
[SPEAKER_01]: didn't get the attention it deserved.
[SPEAKER_01]: It got it got released Christmas day, two thousand eight along with a slew of other movies like Marley and me and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people were like, you know, they had a lot of choices in two thousand eight to for to watch certain things in Valkyrie.
[SPEAKER_01]: ended up being a decent sized hit but for Tom Cruise it was kind of a middling type of thing but I think this movie's intense and very well made and I want to revisit it I think it's a fantastic movie you guys have seen this
[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen it once and I remember it was on your recommendation and I felt similarly that it was good and just but I don't really remember much So yeah excited to get back to it looks like it's on a lot of free services for stream.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes Absolutely Yeah, I haven't seen it recently, but I have seen it
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll be glad to talk that talk this one over.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I don't think I've seen it since it came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like we have some time for some questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your favorite movie dog that doesn't die?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's uh, mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, sorry, where the red fern grows, you can't do that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, sorry, Marley and me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sorry, Marley and me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just as an aside, before we get into this, we watch dogs through an online service and it is incredible to me how many owners name their dogs Marley.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've watched three or four different marlies, and I'm like, did you just see the movie?
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you said of yourself up for?
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, sorry, that's just an aside.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I name my pets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Things like temporary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Temporary?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: On my list, I have the dogs that Halle Berry and John Wick three.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are the best that movie continues to like it's one of those John Wick three is one of those experiences that just always seems to give back and every once in a while you'll just think about the movie and all the different things that happen in it and it's like
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy crap, and you're like that scene in that scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, oh my god, Halle Berry's dogs are so awesome in that movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, just like every time one of them is in trouble, it seems like sudden dog comes into the picture and starts eating somebody's leg or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are my favorites.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's clearly the best answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I had to go with Brad Pitt's dog and once upon a time, and Hollywood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a good one.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has a good, he has a good payoff in that final scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's a good boy.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good dog.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, that's a good boy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I went with Bolt from the movie, Bolt.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really love that movie and I think a lot of it has to do with the humor that comes from this dog that literally thinks it has super powers because it's in a TV show or movies or whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's it's a lot of fun and it's well voiced by Travolta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a, I was a miley movie back in the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Miley was the, yeah, she was the cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she, the cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was the main girl that was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she was Penny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, look at over at the chat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slabs as I will not stand for this Beverly Hills, Chihuahua, or Racer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where the Racer is coming from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's somewhere a pilot higher in the chat that I didn't see, but Alan says, I'm Stein from back to the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, yeah, that is a good boy for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: No doubt about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lang says, chance from how we're homework bound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh says the thing, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hard to know whether the dog actually survived or he's just an alien creature with the DNA of millions of other alien species inside of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's hard to know if that ducks arrived yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tatsu says Milo from the mask.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, another great dog for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like we have time for one more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Top five sports movies of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: It says, I have these listed.
[SPEAKER_01]: The natural is my favorite of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've watched the natural probably a hundred times because I picked it up as a kid and I used to watch it constantly when I got it on VHS.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hoosiers is on that list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bull Durham, tincup and Rocky are all on my top five list.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what's fascinating is the ones that we all put on our list.
[SPEAKER_03]: So mine is Moneyball, tincup, Miracle, Rocky and Hoosiers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, oh, yeah, just a couple of differences there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mine is money ball who's yours Rocky field field of dreams, which I know, but he mentioned and miracle.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel the dreams on there for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just I felt like you were going to be the guy that doesn't call out a sports movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you could certainly be argued that it is not a song.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think we've actually talked about this before, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I struggled to possibly add major league to this because I'm a big major league fan, but I just couldn't fit it in the five, like I can't put it over any of those other ones, but I love major league as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking over at the chat slab also mentions miracle and rocky Josh zero says the natural is a terrible movie and a terrible book you are wrong Chris I Have read over the book and I didn't read the whole book the book is terrible correct the movie is not terrible and I will fight you on this
[SPEAKER_01]: I had actually actually had a semi-fight in an interview with a director who made some movie where the two two characters argue about the natural or talk about how shitty the natural is or how silly it is or whatever and I brought it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said I said I have a bone to pick with you about the natural you know and like you can't say this movie is that silly the movie is very silly okay it's very silly but
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it as a as a as a lover of baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's exactly how you feel when these epic moments of things happen in baseball is it's it's even more than what you can describe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the what I love about.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was in love with the natural in middle schoolish and my next door neighbor, my best friend.
[SPEAKER_03]: We both love this movie and this was when DC talk was kind of getting popular, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: We wrote a rap song about the natural and the chorus had the score from the big home run.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the music underneath our rap song.
[SPEAKER_03]: That song is gone forever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry to say it did none was not committed to memory or paper, but we did write that song.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how obsessed we were with that movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... continuing over on the chat slabs as a league of their own yet a good one i'd like that one quite a bit Josh that again just being an irritant all day today uh... field of dreams is also not a sports movie slabs as carotty kid yeah carotty kids good tants who says the water boy the longest yard happy Gilmore happy Gilmore to remember the titans like most of the people said eighty percent and i'm sanler um...
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, remember the titans is all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't go wrong with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just reading about Denzel and remember the titans last week and in real life that football team absolutely dominated.
[SPEAKER_03]: They being everyone they played.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were like undefeated like the movie makes it all like
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they turned it around with the coach, but no, that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it's a dominant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's your Disney for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, who's yours was kind of like that, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was like, who's yours was not what we saw in the movie either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Castro says, Creed III, Creed II, Creed, karate kid and cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Car's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give it to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's racing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what is it running?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is it running?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it running?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's see, Slabs has Miracle Rocky, League of their own credit kit, and bring it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, what folks are bringing it on on that one, and then Josh says, any given Sunday question mark?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know Josh, you've been so clear about everything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you just say something?
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something's garbage, Josh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's garbage.
[SPEAKER_01]: The book's garbage too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alphachino's a football coach.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that's gonna do it for this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next week is Valkyrie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait to look into that movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And once again, chat, we appreciate you coming out today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even Josh, we appreciate Josh for coming out this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, thank you so much for coming out and bringing it as always.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's going to do it for this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you next time.
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[SPEAKER_04]: What about you, Jeremy?
[SPEAKER_04]: How are you doing?
[SPEAKER_04]: What about me?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, what about you?
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: What about you?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm defensive today.
[SPEAKER_04]: What about me?
[SPEAKER_03]: About six months ago, eight months ago, I got all worried about microplastics.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I might have told you this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I switched to about these six glass bottles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, sixteen ounce glass bottles and I.
[SPEAKER_03]: keep three in the fridge with water at all times and every week or so I wash them out and switch them out with the other bottles and I'm like yeah I'm defeating you microplastics and then I read two weeks ago an article that said there are actually more microplastics in glass things that come in glass containers then there are and things that come in plastic containers hmm that possible now I'm just
[SPEAKER_03]: Bring it on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I kind of want to start a bottled water company called microplastics.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just start selling it to people who are ready to accept.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, we don't even know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Science doesn't even know microplastics are bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just assuming they all.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I've spent the better part of a year trying to avoid them in my daily water intake.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's impossible.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Finally, my years and years of drinking tap water are paying off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hungryking tap water?
[SPEAKER_03]: I just put, I have to put it in a container of some kind, Aaron, unless you're walking into this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not if you drink it right out of your hand, baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I have always been a faucet drinker when I brush my teeth.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't need no cups.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just dip my head on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: How did context quoted the episode?
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's got a chef there, huh?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that he has to do it for another several years, but he is on Tiger's trajectory.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has won his fourth major.
[SPEAKER_03]: at the exact number of weeks, Tiger won his fourth major.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And hilariously, Phil Nicholson and Mark said, do you think Scottie wins again before the writer cup?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so, because Phil Nicholson's a huge tool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Scottie has won several times since that, and he's been in the top.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been top eight, I think, in the last ten straight tournaments he's played.
[SPEAKER_03]: If Tiger didn't exist, I'd be saying stuff like I've never seen anything like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, as long as he's not getting in D-wise and like cheating on his wife and all these other things that Tiger Woods did, he will beat Tiger Woods.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I mean, this guy is a pretty solid Christian from what I can tell.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and has repeatedly said that golf is not his number one priority in life, but his wife and kids are and or kids, I think they like one right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um,
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just a little.
[SPEAKER_04]: Was that the little guy trying to run up the hill to the green after he won?
[SPEAKER_04]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did I see that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the coverage was on.
[SPEAKER_04]: We were at a restaurant or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's this little baby trying to run up the hill to the green.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got like a little.
[SPEAKER_03]: get under two years old.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's not going to do the cheat on my wife.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not going to get his car intact.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's never been a Christian to cheat on their wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always fun, saying sort of the new generation of these, I don't know if you would you call them secondary or aside from the four major sports in America.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have stuff like golf and tennis and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had sort of sign, I had sort of gotten away from tennis, not on purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a big huge Raphael Nadal, you know, Federer and Yokevich fans, like just fan of all three of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just so good and they were good on different surfaces and it was always interesting to see one of the best facing one of the best on that surface and like seeing if they could hang with them and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: just all three of them just dominating at any different periods of time and as they started falling off I was just like I started losing a little bit of interest but now man like there's this yonic center in Carlos Alcaraz basically just a rivalry that just has sprung up over the last couple of years or whatever these I mean
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm interested in seeing more tennis now, like seeing if they can just keep on being these top two stars and maybe somebody else can emerge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the best really, that one, the French open final is insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: That one was, that one was so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like reminded me of the, the, some really good Federer Nadal matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I was good.
[SPEAKER_03]: We always watched tennis.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, we didn't have cable and there were only half as many sports that existed back then.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was on TV.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a sport we watched.
[SPEAKER_03]: And tennis was one of those.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was black and row and board and lendal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we watched all four of the majors every time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I just sort of fell out of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once I got access to other channels and sports and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I should get interested in tennis again.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was a huge Boris Becker fan for a while back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's funny too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also when like because you're I mean, it's not no surprise you're you coming up with the tennis players that I saw when I was you know, because we're all the path the same age.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like sometimes you're like, oh, yeah, on Lendol, he probably won like ten majors and for a spec or he probably won like ten, you know, like all these majors and then you go back and look and you're like,
[SPEAKER_01]: of on-landle one four majors or something like that you know so who's the who's the greatest of the most the gratsky of tennis then is it federal yeah i think joke of it has the most majors of anybody and to to to have done it in an era when federal and the dollar both
[SPEAKER_01]: dominant is insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think all three of them are probably in the conversation for the first twenty four majors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just when you thought that, oh, you know, it in the doll was going to be the number one like all time major guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm joke of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just coming when like couple out of nowhere and then just, you know, it was
[SPEAKER_01]: It's uh, but yeah, I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something that at something that I'd like to hear all time tennis great, try to debate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that the the greatest stars of, you know, the eighties and nineties could a could a hung with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Federer and a doll and the oak of it in their primes because Pete Samperus was amazing at one point and Agacy was amazing at one point and like I imagine they would have like maybe gotten one or two from them, but I don't know, depends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like is the answer Serena Williams maybe?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean I know there's that distinction in the you know the men have a little more speed and strength or whatever but if I'm thinking goat tennis I think she's one of the names that like you know
[SPEAKER_04]: She definitely beat up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although by her own admission, she says if I if I fall in the face off against any of the the guys in the tour, like if I the eighty seventh ranked or whatever, I still wouldn't get point off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think is a little bit too humble probably shortly would, but you know, yeah, she definitely would have to be in that conversation.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's got twenty three twenty three grand slam women's grand slam.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Joe, I just have more than anyone there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just I'm just amazed watching a sport where I realized that if you just threw me out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would not score a point that I would not score.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there would be not even, there wouldn't even be an accidental.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I would just lose six zero, six zero, six zero and all the points too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would never be like a fifteen by my name.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd have fun with it though, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would grunt so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have fun losing.
[SPEAKER_04]: But you don't think you get like a lucky ace, you know, like just one that you just hit perfectly and now you're probably right.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did look it up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lindle did win eight majors.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can go back to one six.
[SPEAKER_04]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nothing close to the twenties, but.
[SPEAKER_01]: But still.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's eight is still a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, that the the the the joke of it and the doll and better just put it so far out of reach that it makes eight seem.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, silly or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: You might say eight is enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: You might say that.