[SPEAKER_00]: Because do you know what really bugs me really bothers me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm guessing that's what I'm sitting here to find out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But bothers me is not being able to talk about what bothers me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that really gets under my skin.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need a vent?
[SPEAKER_00]: I may need to vent a little bit, but before I really vent, I think this particular episode of TFL talking trucks, we should really discuss what happened this week because a lot of things happened over the last seven days or so.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been doing a lot, especially it seems, being doing a lot with GMC trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: We also did something that I think, you know, are both really proud of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did some another episode of drag racing but trailers.
[SPEAKER_00]: or trailer drags.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the Zodiacal name trailer drags?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: And those are, those are long days.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a big effort, especially on Andre's part to put all that together, get the, the trucks lined up, get the trailers lined up, get everything loaded, and it's a ton of driving around.
[SPEAKER_02]: How long yesterday do you think we were driving around to do a trailer drag race?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen hours of driving.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think you and I met at like eight in the morning, and then we got back at five.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was really what, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Nine hours or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was a bit of of stopping the film and stopping a load and you know, and everything, but we were driving for the majority of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would wager probably seven hours of driving when we did yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we should talk about it because we have a video on TFL truck that focuses specific on the drag racing, but we were pretty successful with our heavy duty drag race several weeks back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, people I think people appreciated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seeing those trucks race with trailers behind them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we decided to move out too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ultimately, it's always our goal to try and give people videos that they want to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, that's different for everybody, but a lot of people showed up for the HD trucks pulling trailers in and drag race.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we try to do the same thing for half-tons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly, so hopefully you will come back for that, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, on TFL traction, but we should talk about a little bit behind the scenes, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because a few things happened, which were quite difficult, I would say.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't quite...
[SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't predict all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then we also have a couple of news.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, there's some Tundra news.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, in twenty twenty six Tundra, it was rumored to be significantly refreshed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe have a lot of new features.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even a new look.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, so we have news for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We, you and Tommy or Tommy, specifically, took our GMC candidate for Xafrode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was there for it in a different four by four on that same day, but I got to watch and help out and stack some rocks to get the canyon up to the top red cone, which is one of our favorite trails.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked a little bit about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I took a giant GMC, have you do it?
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned it's a lot of GMC.
[SPEAKER_00]: We took, I took, even I went there, took a giant overland built, the ultimate
[SPEAKER_00]: built by Overland Expo.
[SPEAKER_00]: We took it into the mountains because that's what those Overland sharks are all about, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Taking them into the wilds.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you and I have found a new thing to look for on Marketplace.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and possibly by, we're scheming a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we've got all of that to talk about today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to start off with the news?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, before that, Borscht News.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know there was news around Borscht.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never actually had borched, Andre.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've heard the name.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually pronounced slightly different.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to pronounce in English.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a beat based soup that's really kind of like slavic or Russian.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the flavor as strong as the color because it appears to be bright red almost pink?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes purple.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on if it's milk based or broth based.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to really educate you on the borst.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you want to?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you said there was summer and winter bush, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the summer one milk based and winter one is broth based?
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You nailed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how did you know that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because you said that the summer one is cold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it's milk-based.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or yogurt-based sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So which one is better?
[SPEAKER_00]: Summer or winter for?
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the summer depends on the season, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bores.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of a Russian pronunciation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love them both.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to choose.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like picking your best pickup truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: picking between your children almost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the summer one has a little bit of parsley on top, so it has a little bit of kick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like what like we said.
[SPEAKER_00]: The parsley gives it kick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, we might have different definitions of kick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not spicy, but it's fresh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some lunch, maybe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's sort of kicking your punching.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think of, I think of kick is spice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I misspoke once again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know why we're talking about the Porsche.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so...
[SPEAKER_02]: on the list of things that you didn't realize you were signing up for listening to this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: But got that right at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we let's get it out of the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you and I should go to a restaurant.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's one and then I believe where we can actually get it's summer right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can get some summer, some middle-based bush.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll report on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: This all came up because I was asking Andre about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's got nothing to do with the rest of the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it actually is referenced by what bothers me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we were trying to come up with a segment name what like I can't talk about grinding my gears because that's what we say on cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so cars is a whole different podcast that would use if you haven't listened to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not that we came up with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, we were trying to think of another way to talk about things that that were frustrated by which was one of the ideas for today's podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is not really what it ended up being.
[SPEAKER_02]: The one that I really like is what boils your breaks, which you guys came up with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that one's really smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the transition into what spoils my bush.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those are boils or boils or spoils.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something that bugs me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that sounds like.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where that's from.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's crust that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we talked about bush.
[SPEAKER_00]: No more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we can get to truck news, which is also an important part of the podcast today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is Tundra, twenty twenty six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, we've known about the new color on the TRD Pros.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is not really news.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some other news related to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they have a new color for all twenty twenty six TRD vehicles and cold.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's another image right with the whole family.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can see the entire family and vehicles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the big news that some people were hoping for is not news because it didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no major update to the, to the, to the Tundra.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or the Sequoia, for that matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or the Sequoia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they have done a couple of things a few tweaks, especially minor tweaks in the trim, like I think the capstone they've got.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another kind of leather in there, some colors.
[SPEAKER_02]: The most interesting one, maybe, is the Terti Pro Tundra.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can now option, so it's not mandatory, but you can option the isodynamic seats on the Terti Pro.
[SPEAKER_02]: like what the TRD Pro Tacoma has.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Cole, can you look up Tacoma isodynamics, dynamic seats?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that seat would actually work better for the Tundra than the Tacoma because the Tacoma already has a small back seat.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these isodynamics seats are especially thick from, you know, cushion to the very back of the seat.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in the Tacoma, it takes up, honestly, what is much needed space.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Tundra, being a lot bigger, you could maybe sacrifice some of that space.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still not convinced that it's a night and day difference having these shocks in the seat versus not, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the scientists at Toyota, I was talking to some of the people kind of behind the program for isodynamic seats.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were studying people's head movement and I movement, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So from their perspective, they're talking about kind of stabilizing the drivers and the passengers' heads.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little bit less fatiguing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the long jaunt of a fraud.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, those guys are definitely smarter than I. Well, they're smarter than me as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it does something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I agree with.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what I didn't, I wasn't in love with in the Tacoma.
[SPEAKER_00]: execution of those seats is that the Tacoma cabinet itself is relatively a compact space because you know, I'm a kind of a taller dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I really am curious if those seats in the Tundra, Tundra is a much bigger vehicle, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There is more width, there is more length to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think is the dynamic seats could be very a lot more comfortable and useful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think in the Tundra.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll have to test it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we haven't tested it yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, not in the Tundra at least.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a couple of other items.
[SPEAKER_00]: For example, that you have a small gas tank in the new Tundra, a twenty two point seven gallons or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's no longer an option.
[SPEAKER_00]: All new twenty twenty six Tundra is we'll get the thirty two plus I think it's a little bit more than thirty two gallons.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's really good news because that's nice, like x-arrange.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're shopping for Tundra and accidentally get the one with a smaller tank, you know, that would be a big bummer if you didn't know about it or something weird happened while you were looking for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe that I read that they also put climate vents in the back of maybe some of the smaller cabs or the more basic trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're basically, I mean, the new Tundra and the Tundra came out in twenty twenty two.
[SPEAKER_00]: TFL truck actually owned a long term one of the new Tundra.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the new Sequoia came out in twenty twenty three.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't own one, but they're built at the same factory in San Antonio, Texas, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: A change they make to one is probably will also, you know, they can refresh some elements of the other.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Plus it's kind of a mid cycle, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been four years for the Tundra.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to spruce it up, but they didn't change styling, they didn't change power numbers, hybrids, nothing like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: now it's nothing super substantial just some tweaks and revisions to the lineup but i do really like the wave maker color i keep wanting to say in my head wave runner wave maker it's like this turquoise blue that's how i would do yeah describe it it's it's not quite as not quite as
[SPEAKER_02]: deep of a blue maybe as as the voodoo blue that's on your twenty nine yeah quite under a distance from that yeah yeah but it's not it's not way off so i i think it's a great color i want to see it in real life i know Tommy and Roman went to a Texas to a Toyota event and they saw these in person
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen the one in person either.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have an either, but if it looks as good in person as it does in pictures then this for me would be a top three T.R.D.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pro color of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the third one myself?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or what's the second one in the third one?
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe the second, this could be number one because I really like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: The turquoise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number two might be Lunar Rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little more understated, but also really good color.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Voodoo Blue might be number three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm just talking for over the blue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bought one actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also like their fours green kind of darkish green, which is kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to see this in person still.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still not sure about wave maker.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have to wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your least favorite, dearly pro color?
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't there like a lime rush.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the lime.
[SPEAKER_00]: The lime rush.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was, that's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the same answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I saw that, that's over the next bow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was blinded.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to put on sunglasses when I saw that first.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes a statement.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure it's the statement I would want to make.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's high lighter.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's green.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So also let us know in the comments if you're watching us on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give us your three favorites and your least favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like this is probably going to be most people's least favorite electric lime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I know there's a website that ranks all four runners to the pro colors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're their decisions are wrong by my estimate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Questionable.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but but I want to see a forum rate Tundra and Tacoma colors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the comments on this video could be that forum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so let's talk a little bit more about the canyon.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the canyon is our long term vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another funky color.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another questionable color.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think I think I think the most questionable thing about this
[SPEAKER_02]: I would describe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pumpkin orange with the truck is called pumpkin here at the office.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's that color exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, GMC doesn't call it pumpkin.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that is what the color looks like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's kind of a pale orange.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's unique, it's out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't necessarily mind the color of that much itself, but what I don't love are all the red accents next to that orange.
[SPEAKER_02]: That for me kind of clash, especially the red seat belts, the red accents on the seats, GMC logos, red, red toe hooks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that aspect is not my favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not entirely against this color.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might not buy it for myself, but I think it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's different.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely something that I haven't seen in the wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Tommy and you, you're kind of following, I think, him in the Bronco Everglades.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tommy is running first.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the gatekeeper obstacle at RedCon that we're observing right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're watching this on YouTube, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're just listening, also thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But basically, the ATFORX Canyon is a really, should be a really capable vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got dual lockers, rear locker, front locker, it's got four low range, it's got thirty-trees, and I see Tommy stacking rocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is he stacking rocks?
[SPEAKER_02]: Mostly because the canyon is on thirty-trees.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an ATFORX, so yeah, like you said, front rear lockers and good suspension, DSSV, spool valve shocks,
[SPEAKER_02]: Some skidplating rocks lighter, so it's got a lot of what you need, but this is a genuinely challenging, very challenging trail.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thirty-three's is pushing it as far as just the clearance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's thirty-three's is borderline, not big enough to do this trail.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had to stack some rocks, so we got the truck up at fine, and the gatekeeper was mostly the only problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: for getting the truck up there on thirty-three's.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would wager that we would be noticeably better off if this were the admittedly much more expensive A T four X A E V edition on thirty-five's because that truck next to any other midsize truck looks like it's on stills.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and usually when you have like a special package like AV in this case, or maybe some other, you only think graphics, maybe a couple of trim pieces, but AV edition vehicles give you additional suspension, bigger tires.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big step up into a different vehicle almost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you get a lot of features on it, so it is the AV edition is no doubt about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: way, way tons of money for mid-sized truck by- But the capability is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Estimation, but for rock crawler, it would price aside.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would do, I think, much better on this trail, but the R-A-T-Forex got up the trail.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's no worse for where.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a question that are rubbed off, but I have a question and a confession.
[SPEAKER_00]: First a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you or in a Bronco behind Tommy on thirty-fives?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you struggle on the gatekeeper obstacle as much as Tommy did?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not nearly as much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and obviously there are more factors to how much clearance a vehicle has other than just tire size.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw Tommy putting a sucker in his mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Mary's face says all that was what is happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was rough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm got a lot of pop from the.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think people have to watch the video.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people have to watch the video to find out why he is a sucking on a lollipop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if there is a good explanation that there's no context.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to make.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing wrong with lollipops, but if your job is reviewed, trotters.
[SPEAKER_02]: We might have to have a conversation with Tommy about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, first, I think Colin a team meeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think in the meeting, they'll also discuss my boss problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the boss was fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where were we?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my confession.
[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, oh, your bronco on thirty-fives, not your bronco, but the bronco you were driving on thirty-fives has a smaller, I believe, wheelbase, shorter wheelbase, which means it has a better break over angle, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's right there, you could see the bronco you were driving.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in theory, it makes sense that the bronco did better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's just bigger tires.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a more dedicated rock roller.
[SPEAKER_02]: The the Canyon A.T.
[SPEAKER_02]: Forex is a great rock roller anything with front and rear lockers is pretty much without exception bound to be a pretty good rock roller accept.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that the Lexus LX that we had by here that we just didn't have enough clearance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that, like, the new overtrailer that we're talking about, the hybrid, the one, that, that, that, it's bumper, hanging solely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, but it has a lot of good bones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's had steps or so low.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, it's got good bones that you can't really use.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just need to change the bumper, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: But other than some very, very minor exceptions, anything with front rear lockers is going to be a good rock crawler by most people's estimate.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the Bronco is a more dedicated rock crawler I would argue than the Canyon AT-Forex.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it did better.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would also wager that the AT-Forex AT-V would do just as well as that Bronco on that trail.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the Bronco can tow or have as much payload as a Canyon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're different purposes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Canyon is a better like all around vehicle in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: More utilitarian.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my confession is of never driven the red control.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really that's I didn't know that that's crazy because you you've been here since like twenty ten twenty eleven have you have you been up it haven't even been on not by myself not on camera I know I've done every other trail that the FL has done and I've done
[SPEAKER_00]: Many other trails that TFL hasn't done, but they've never done red cone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, it has to be on my... As Owen Wilson would say, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know I, I don't know how to fix that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I watched an interview with Owen Wilson last night.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was on the Colbert Report.
[SPEAKER_00]: He, anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a long interview about his... Well, one was the last time he was in a movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but he's got a series or something on TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, we got to get you up Redcone because Redcone's on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or down it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you done any of the other trails that are right around there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like it connects to like, towards Webster and some others.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've done all the same John's Websters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you did... Did you guys bring... We used to have a first-gen Raptor?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you bring that on Webster?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was Roman.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't go there for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, something happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: When Roman mentions red cone, he looks away from me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he looks somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not sure what that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got to fix that, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a really cool trail.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you haven't seen any of our videos on red cone, they're worth watching just for the scenery alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also a really good test of four by fours.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're interested in that as well, but either
[SPEAKER_02]: Tommy and Mary's Canyon AT-Forex video on Redcone that went up recently on CFL off-road, or me in the full-size Bronco, probably go watch Tommy and Mary's because they're a lot more entertaining than I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a good view, either way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a subjective thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's super pretty out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I enjoyed watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed the videos, not just because of the vehicles and the testing you guys were doing, but also like you said, the visuals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Gavin was flying a drone, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not mistaken, and Gavin picked up some really amazing scenery as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I sold my Corvette, bought a Land Rover, and set about engine swapping it, lifting it, putting steel bumpers on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Primarily because of red cones.
[SPEAKER_02]: This time, Tommy and I had a day on red cone where we brought up two Jeep Wranglers, went up to the top, there were some mountain goats up there, we were flying the drone, really, really pretty, and just a nice weather, nice day in general, and that was kind of the tipping point.
[SPEAKER_02]: where I decided, okay, I gotta, I gotta build a four by four so I can, I can go do this outside of work.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was really an important deciding factor.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I mean, it's like quintessentially Colorado basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Colorado is about.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys were lucky, I think the weather is amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at the blue skies and all like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if the weather changes really quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get in some serious trouble potentially.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and especially when when you get to the top of red cone, there's a pretty steep descent as you come down and if if it were raining hard bad weather bad visibility, I could see that getting a little sketchy for for traction and it's a buff tree line.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of the trail is a buff tree line, which is high elevators.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I want to say it's twelve eight is the top of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's pretty high up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you don't know about this trail, check out Onox Afroad Maps.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can look at the ratings, the pictures, everything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, if there's camping around that Onox Afroad now has dispersed camping layer as well, as well as reception.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, there's some wind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, it's always windy up at the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, and I think Mary started the rock slide.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just know, never mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so really good trail fun videos soon enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll have Andre on that trail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I took a different GMC on a different trail.
[SPEAKER_00]: We call tombstone because there's an actual little graveyard at the top of this trail.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was in a brand new, twenty, twenty, five Sierra Heavy Duty, eighty, four X, AV edition with an up-fit package with thirty-seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the ultimate build.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also has that wonderful camper on the back of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of accessories, lights, winches.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this thing is fully outkitted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's part of what the Overland Expo calls their dream build.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a series of the dude once a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they've been doing it every year for the past couple of years since basically since COVID.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this truck is the most recent.
[SPEAKER_02]: So because it's a dream build, it's got everything you could imagine fitted to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got some prototype off-road lights from AEV.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is already an AEV package from the factory, but like you said, it's got a kit that lets you put thirty-seven on it without any additional lift.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got a come-up, twelve thousand pound winch and a camper from a company not OEV but called OEV.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's nothing electric on the truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the trailer comes with solar and batteries, so it could be almost an EV, but it's not an EV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's a sliding camper.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got a really solid construction to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like a four wheel camper.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like one that could put up with quite a bit of punishment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, very toughly built.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here's a couple of behind the scenes, a couple stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, Thumbston Hill is not a super difficult trail.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like red cone, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's rated a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot easier.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a lot more flat areas like you can see in some of the images that Colin's showing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot of people camp there actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of a dispersed camping area.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you may have camped there before did you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking I'm out here there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'll have some more news.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has, yeah, and he's even filmed up there while he was camping, but I've camped near there at some slightly different spots, not on the same trail.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, for any video we tried to present
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some difficulty, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I went up to Mr. Stonehill.
[SPEAKER_00]: The video is actually coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: The truck was really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it didn't struggle.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a rear selectable locker, so not a G-A-D.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can actually push a button and it does something in that locks the rear end.
[SPEAKER_00]: The front is still open on this particular heavy duty truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's equipped with a diesel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, nine hundred seventy five pound feet of torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: So lots of torque this truck is doing great and then I tell our video on for Ian I was like Ian let's go higher Let's go towards the tombstone area, right and I got into the area with really narrow You know trees on both sides right which is very common in Colorado Yeah, it's true and I passed through the first opening between the first two trees on a trail and I got wedged in the second opening
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's this is a pricey truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's going to go up for sale on bring a trailer in the fall to benefit the overland foundation overland expo foundation they help out a bunch of different causes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's cool, but this is a pricey truck and because it's going to be auction off to help a good cause not one that you want to
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Rob again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know Ian is really measured and he usually doesn't speak while we're filming because he's actually filming, but he said stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew something was not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I did stop and I stopped in time because he didn't help me out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was my spotter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the problem really was, you know, if I didn't have the camper, I probably would have kept going.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that I have another foot or foot and a half of equipment above my already tall truck
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some branches that were hanging down.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I couldn't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're going to make some sacrifices if you put a house in the back of your truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: But not to worry, I just backed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a fork in the trail.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went around and I still was able to get to the outlook.
[SPEAKER_00]: No problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a little bypass.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I still felt like we accomplished something and it was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's a super cool truck in the whole concept behind it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like something like this even more than a lot of the really cool four by four spring events that we've seen and that we've tested and spend some time with because this can pull a heavier trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's I would argue more athletic on a trail than a high roof end.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to have quite as much comfort as you would have in a van.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it depends on your use case, how much?
[SPEAKER_02]: time at all at once that you realistically want to spend in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd be, I would be happy being in this thing for a couple weeks in a row.
[SPEAKER_02]: Since even this got a shower cube off the side, it's got a big awning, a comfortable place to sleep and cook and.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it gets like a water heater inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's got batteries, like we said, it's got solar.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I really, so we don't usually focus focus on camper reviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've done them.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've lived in them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've, we've owned several.
[SPEAKER_00]: But speaking about the truck, what I loved was even if you don't want this whole build, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say it's too much money or you don't want what you're seeing.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a GMC heavy duty, you can buy a snorkel for it separately from a AV.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's integrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is properly tested.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can buy their bumpers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could buy their new light bar in the front.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a prototype piece, but it's going on sale within a few months.
[SPEAKER_00]: That light bar
[SPEAKER_00]: You can kind of see it in the front.
[SPEAKER_00]: They actually move the camera from the grill into the light bars so you're not blocked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so your vision is not blocked when you're looking forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is super cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not sponsored by AEV or this truck or over-line expert anybody, but what I do like about AEV components is that they, I think they have a similar to OEM level of R&D and quality, quality control design.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as far as aftermarket components go,
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're up there with the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and their bumpers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could buy any bumper you want, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's many companies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people build them at home, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have a welder and you know how to weld, but what I've seen with some other bumpers first when you first put it on looks nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come back a year or two later.
[SPEAKER_00]: You start noticing a little bit of rust bubbling somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something else is happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just the way that these AEV bumpers are shaped, they're shaped similar to a factory bumper.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't look like somebody took six pieces of flat steel and just welded them together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now you've got this Superman chin of a bumper sticking out from the front and truck like a diving board.
[SPEAKER_00]: these bumpers very very much follow the the body lines and contours of factory truck as if it were an OEM piece so it's pretty cool I don't I don't need to talk up okay V I think we've done that any more so next week just a couple days after this podcast airs I have a full video about this truck and I also did as year to sixty I know it's silly I actually talked about it how silly it was
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did an MPG loop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go to David's, our friend David Moro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, up north.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was about eighty mile round trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, we're only human.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you give us trucks, we're gonna see what they accelerate like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know what I was thinking?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Roman was against this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, why are you reviewing this green belt?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there is only one of these trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was also thinking to myself, you know, a lot of people out there, they like lifting their vehicles.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they kid out trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of put people put campers in the back of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually wanted to see, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: This was done as a dream build.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's actually see how it works and it was actually pretty fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fast diesel.
[SPEAKER_00]: This diesel was moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can a lot toward?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, so before we go to drag racing with trailers,
[SPEAKER_00]: You and I have a new thing, what that we're looking for on Marketplace and other sites.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well Andre and I have been scheming and so we've both been looking around Marketplace.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't I've got too many ongoing projects that I need to finish.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do too, what kind of yeah, so we might not actually pull the trigger is that is the bummer intro to this little segment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the idea
[SPEAKER_02]: would be to find an old cab over and make something out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We kind of have different ideas, different approaches.
[SPEAKER_02]: My idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some would say the better plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you first forward to cases idea?
[SPEAKER_02]: So my idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: As you'll soon find out, the better idea is to take a cab like this,
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a super cool cab.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got a cab over cab.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, cab over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tine on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I, my thought is you take that cab.
[SPEAKER_02]: Drop it on an already running and driving more modern tow truck or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: that you could take the boring nineties or two thousand's cab off of put this cool nineteen fifty two cab onto that running driving truck so you've got good brakes good steering good for will drive good suspension all that build out a nice bed for the back of it and then you put your hot rod on the back of that are you talking about the ramp truck
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it would be cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you had a tow truck with a bed that could tilt and drop down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like an actual flat bed tow truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something along those lines, maybe do something to make the bed itself look a little more pleasing to the eye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Retro kind of re-restructure reconstruct the bed to match the cab a little bit more, but use a modern chassis and underpinning to make a tow truck out of something like this, put your hot rod on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Flathead V. I'm going to tell you why you're wrong in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Matching patina.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Coco, can you kiss?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Classic cab over ramp truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this, this is a genre that exists already, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They actually have like hot wheels toys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it has to be a ram.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: A ram.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like this black one or the red and black one, so basically kind of a vehicle that's really ultra cool, but it carries another vehicle on top of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a hot rod on the back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's got a hot rod.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's cool around.
[SPEAKER_02]: We might be able to find a picture of one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I found a really cool picture of a yellow one at one point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should I air drop it to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: He we could you could air drop, but while you're air dropping let me explain to you why your idea is maybe not ideal No, has a has a like a red rod or a hot rod on the back of it There it goes to live air dropping.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we're talking about this in saying wait a minute
[SPEAKER_00]: But this bed is like articulating bed, like you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps I've never met this truck, but it would be cool if that's how it worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I love the idea of a matching hot rod and truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: going together, combining to make a really cool, like his and hers, or his and his and his in this situation, both mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the patina on that Ford Cavalier is already really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you could, if you could fudge it and paint up your hot rod to match, that combo would be sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I like the idea of modern enough underpinnings.
[SPEAKER_02]: they're already sorted out you don't you don't have to engineer your own steering system and make something for will drive that wasn't already for will drive and all that you can just have have fun taking a reasonably modern good driving platform put the old school body on it register it as a nineteen fifty two make life easier and we're hot rod on it
[SPEAKER_00]: But that requires that nineteen fifty two Ford cab to come with a van and paperwork and what you know, which is not impossible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not impossible, but they're out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's your very compelling?
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of kidding when I said your idea was bad and wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was lying.
[SPEAKER_02]: because no one could seriously believe that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I went out to search and I also found this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a nineteen fifty five Dodge, job rated J.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cabo over truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which these are these are now photos that you actually took.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was actually went and saw this truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is not a dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was actually called his dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was nearby, uh, really cool dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: His name is Mo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Matt Mo in at his farm.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were chickens and goats and sheep walking around.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I felt not super comfortable.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the this goat came came up to me and like was poking me and the goats don't get along.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm okay with goats, but it's... Oh, because they got weird eyes, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: They have weird eyes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, listen to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, watch this clip just... I love that job-rated badge.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should bring that back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's way better than Super Duty or HD or... Well, Ram, are you listening?
[SPEAKER_00]: Job-rated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is anybody from Ram listening?
[SPEAKER_00]: Job-rated.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means it can do any job.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know what I found out when I was looking at this dodge?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a flathead straight six?
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was like a lifelong project of an old man who was either unfortunately unable to continue, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was getting really high that up there in age.
[SPEAKER_00]: But look at this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He really loved this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could tell all the little elements.
[SPEAKER_00]: He fixed the rust.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he fixed all the little things about the metal work.
[SPEAKER_00]: looks really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: The metal work is not all painted but but it's it looks look there is love everywhere the muffler is clean it's brand new he painted the transmission he it looks like whoever was a custodian of this vehicle was very much into it and really took great care of it the tires are dry rodded right the tires are bad and old
[SPEAKER_00]: Find me an old cab over that doesn't have dry right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying it doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that isn't about that's about it's a tool drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It pretty much doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a tool drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: It will drive as most job-rated trucks were because there were box trucks that were towed, you know, recovery vehicles.
[SPEAKER_00]: So most of them were not full will drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've ever if any in those years.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, oh, you aren't kidding those tires for those who are listening, all narrate for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Andre pans to old, good-year tires that have not dry rot so much as canyons that have formed inside of the tire.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could see inside of the tire through the side of the tire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but that's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could replace the tire.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Six of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you're shooting the thumbnail.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like you were playing in a bite.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then this was several days ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I consulted many people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I consulted my wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she might have been one of the consultants.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, she was one of the consultants.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not all the consultants were on board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some consultants said that the price was too high.
[SPEAKER_00]: This particular unit was asking just over ten grand, which is not insane because look, you saw how well loved this vehicle was.
[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it just, I wanted something that, by the way, I still have a F-Six hundred.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, there's some news coming up about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: When it's, it's not necessarily unfair that your consultants weren't all on board because you, you have a couple, you have a couple of trucks already.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, because one of them is a Russian van, the Buhanka.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other one is a Ford that I might actually part ways with.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's, there's a bigger story out there, but we'll get to that another time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also I told David about this truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know the first thing he said,
[SPEAKER_00]: You be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a comments laying around.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try to straight six or straight six.
[SPEAKER_00]: It already has a straight sex and being rearwell drives.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're those things, but at this moment, I don't think I could swing one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mainly because I don't have any words to store it other than asking Roman for a little bit of space.
[SPEAKER_00]: which I'm already kind of overstepping.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm storing my Buhanka at Tommy's enromance ranch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have six hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some wheels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm already overstepping quite a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I was to overstep again, plus my boss, my wife, she was in super frail.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think for the same reason, you know, if you and I were, you know, went together and bought a barn in some piece of land somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we had an actual, like, a lift in a way to work on vehicles.
[SPEAKER_00]: This would make sense, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But I currently don't have a lift or a barn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the way I see it, since you're talking about selling the four to six hundred, one in one out.
[SPEAKER_02]: there you go price price difference doesn't matter price difference could be there but yeah consequential that's not so anyways money's not important so vehicles are important trucks cab over
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but by the way, by the way, do you think what's more handsome this Dodge cab over or the Ford cab over?
[SPEAKER_00]: In your mind, what's more handsome?
[SPEAKER_02]: I like I like the patino on the Ford the the the big difference is the front end really yeah, and I I think I would argue maybe the Ford is
[SPEAKER_02]: is a little better looking.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's maybe not as unique as I feel like I've seen these Ford's around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not that I see Cavalier's a ton, but this may be a little more often than the Dodge.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Dodge is arguably more unique.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the big difference here.
[SPEAKER_02]: is I guess it depends on what you want to do with them because this is a cool seems like really nice original truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily want to tear this one apart.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I would never kind of good as what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if I'm going to build something like this, it would be sweet if it not only looked cool, but I could use it for something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I put an old school cab on top of a modern enough
[SPEAKER_02]: tow truck chassis, then there's just no reason that I couldn't actually put a car on the back of it and tow highway speeds to get stuff done.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then it would for me at least take multiple boxes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I'm not really at a point where I need a big cab over tow truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're working to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need a little bit more space.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just some time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not all mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: You ain't, ain't got.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have, it's so in the backyard of my house.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not even what's, what's parked in front of the house, but in the backyard, which is not massive.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are, it's, there's a three car garage.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's eight cars and uh, some of them out of the floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we could see that you have a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like five full size bikes and three mini bikes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: We all have problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: So on that note, I don't think it's problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't need a tow truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kidding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have room for a tow truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you do need one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do need a tow truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Except, you have nowhere to put it.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, this seller also had some other trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the sixty's Ford, a big giant F-Six hundred, which a treehead, and it looks like a cartoon character.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when I was looking at it, it looks like an actual cartoon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is sad because that's a cool cab.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So very cool cab.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's, that's enough about old trucks probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, actually for now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should for now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could talk for another hour about this topic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be a double feature.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure Cole or producer Cole is very excited by this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cole could listen to us talk about old trucks for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a bank's T-shirt and he's a big truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also has a mint for a hundred T-shirt.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's wearing a mint for a hundred T-shirt right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool race.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about new trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: because we started this show with new trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's talk about what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we wanted to do another drag race, a trailer drag, with half ton trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in order to accomplish this, first of all, we need to be to have competitive trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully, from multiple brands.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have a net one fifty V eight tremor that we own, the TFL owns.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now the idea came about how about we get a RAM, V-eight, and a Chevrolet, or GM V-eight to go along with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we tried to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And our friends at Johnson Auto Plaza came through and helped us out by finding us a couple of trucks that fit the bill.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we had a six point two silver auto because if you're going to be drag racing with the trailer, you want the more powerful V-eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's what we got.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a five, seven powered
[SPEAKER_00]: ram fifteen hundred and yeah we we did a lot of tone yesterday again probably seven hours and then our friends at complete trailers were able to find a couple trailers for us which were not identical quiet identical as we wanted them to be one of the trailers was a little bit taller with almost five or six inches taller than the other one and they're also different weights
[SPEAKER_00]: So we had we tried to mitigate this problem by loading different things inside of these trailers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: To make them a little bit closer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got within a couple hundred pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: We put the heavier side by side and the lighter trailer, lighter side by side and heavier trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were pretty close and actually the the lighter trailer with the lower
[SPEAKER_02]: roof was ultimately the heavier trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we felt like it kind of broke even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and honestly our top speeds that we were hitting at the end of the strip was less than seventy miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know how much drag from the taller trailer really because we're talking about seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing like efficiency testing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not saying that there's no air resistance at at sixty seven miles an hour, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's the biggest factor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something kind of funny happened when we pulled up to the, well, couple many things happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when we pulled up, we'll call this showing the actual drag race right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the things I did in one of the races when we're all set.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can watch it here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Count down to the beginning of the race.
[SPEAKER_00]: And nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: There goes the ram.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was in park.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so trucks drag race better and drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thing is though, the a little behind the scenes, most of the time when you see us do a drag race, see us do a start, that's the first one and the only one that that we filmed because days like this, Andre and I have.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were up against the deadline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got about a ten-hour day just getting to the strip to race and then getting all this equipment back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we don't usually have time to do a dozen runs and then take the best one where we look like awesome, super professional, rad drivers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We usually run at once.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're non-happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So long is not the redo it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a catastrophic happens for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we really need to, we'll run again.
[SPEAKER_02]: But a lot of the time, you see the first race that we've done, and you see our reactions to finding out the results for the first time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, every now and then it's happened to me as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: That, yeah, you're in Park, you're not in Drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many things going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're starting cameras.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're making sure that everything is set to go that you actually forget to put your vehicle drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, for example, like you and I were matching our modes, like we wanted to make sure, because we ran both with trailers and without.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, if you're into a whole mode, I had to be into a whole mode too, and you know, traction control off.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, we do traction control off, because with it on, if there was any spin,
[SPEAKER_00]: the computer would kind of hold that power and sometimes it's noticeable, sometimes it's unnoticeable, but we don't want to play around with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We want the driver to kind of control it themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we don't want to hit, we don't want to hit a power cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the other thing that is a perfectly valid question, because the last time we did a towing drag race, we were in HD trucks that had a thousand or more pound-feet of torque.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes twelve hundred.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in the Ford, so there was a lot of wheel spin, which was a factor, and people were asking why we didn't do the race in four wheel drive, which is a perfectly fair question.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we've race the trucks on their own, there's not a substantial difference between two wheel drive and four wheel drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: granted with the trailer that that you're pulling against and the length of the burnout basically that that we were fighting to try to not do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure the trucks would have hooked up better and forward will drive, but the other consideration is that two of the three trucks when we did this drag race and when we did the HD drag race don't belong to us and also
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes they have oval drive modes, sometimes they don't have oval drive modes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so they don't always necessarily match up perfectly, but the thing is we don't want to put an excessive amount of wear or potentially break something in the drive line.
[SPEAKER_02]: We would rather have wheel spin when you're fighting to accelerate as hard as possible with the trailer behind you, then have the truck hook up with a twelve hundred pound feet of torque and several hundred pounds of tongue weight on the rear end.
[SPEAKER_02]: It shouldn't break anything, but if it did, then we're on the hook for fixing a maybe eighty and ninety thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also long day becomes longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't belong to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then if we start breaking the trucks that are lent to us, it's going to be harder for us to get trucks lent for any kind of video.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not going to help anybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that's a huge consideration.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of the reasoning.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can, you know, you can accept that or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of people don't accept it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which is fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sure the trucks would hook up better if they were.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, we didn't get much wheel spin on the hat.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, actually, four hundred pound feet of torque or four hundred sixty pound feet of torque or four ten, which some of these trucks had, was actually the right amount of torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because because you and I, we didn't have trouble with losing a lot of traction, we were just
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially towing seven thousand pounds like we did with these trailers.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were doing pretty well, I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other thing I was going to say, when we showed up at the trailer place with the trucks that we got, they started laughing at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because we agreed to find twenty-eight footers.
[SPEAKER_00]: and when they saw twenty-eight footers and we pulled up in fifteen hundred trucks they said you need a bigger truck and they were kind of like so I just want to make sure this is known because whenever we talk about towing trailers everybody says oh I told something much bigger than you guys tell and I told it you know from here to New York City but the fact is we had some wind we had some trailer sway
[SPEAKER_00]: pulling twenty eight footers loaded or actually unloaded too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and our mirrors in in any of these trucks weren't weren't toeing specific mirrors.
[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't really up to the task of looking around the trailer very effectively.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maneuvering these trailers through tight spaces where you're having a hard time getting a full view of the side of the trailer was just that much more of a task.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not impossible, but not as fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, especially when the trailers were empty, they were getting blown around by the wind.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, going down the highway, it's not a good feeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing dramatic, nothing super concerning, but for sure, some sway.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you and I had to lower our speeds.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we did a few miles of interstate driving not many, but the miles we did were, you know, I felt like we needed to slow down a little bit because because going seventy five in the situation like this at high winds also was not a good situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's all manageable.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we get to pull with so many different truck and trailer combinations that were kind of spoiled and we notice it when a truck and trailer combination isn't behaving as we want it to.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we pulled very similar trailers to this with an HD and then going back to back into a a fifteen hundred.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a night and day difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're doing all the right things.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have Waysafe Hitches.
[SPEAKER_00]: We make sure our tongue loads were accurate and precise and correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ten percent of the trailer should be on your hitch when you're pulling a bumper pull trailer like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we did all the good things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Use brand new equipment, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And we also use my wonderful mud flaps as well, which the folks at Complete Trailer also gave me a little bit of grief.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did, Andre.
[SPEAKER_02]: pulled out his homemade rock guards.
[SPEAKER_02]: We call him stone stoppers, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're not rock tamers, but Andre hand made them shows shows a good bit of initiative, but the guys at complete trailer said it looks like these were welded up by some foreigner, and which they're not wrong technically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Technically that's exactly what you did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I guess they're not welded.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're bolted.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, they're bolted.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were bolted together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how to weld.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, that's, that's basically what it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the best time to blow him.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you might be wondering, why didn't I buy a couple of professionally milled rock tamer mud flaps?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're probably wondering that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel like we're big enough to buy some rock tamers.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's that's fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as fun to buy rock tamers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be.
[SPEAKER_00]: No dude, I spent like a day at my house working with my son, you know, we enjoyed putting something together and people are laughing at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's a little bit more fun, you know, it's doing some, like you said, you know, just making something out of nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, no, no, in all seriousness, no shade on it because, uh, it's functional.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's locked.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sweeping the ground after the truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically a hitch mount in my flap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you built them initially for the HD truck drag race and the T trucks were, yeah, not quite as tall.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, to be fair to you, you went out and built the thing and it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: So and that we were doing to protect the trailers really because when you'd go on gravel roads or actually our air strip also has a few stones and rocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a gravel road, it's a paved road but it's kind of falling apart a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: When those rocks are flinging at seventy miles an hour, that becomes very dangerous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we don't want to pepper the front of those trailers that they're letting us borrow with rocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm still I'm still stoppers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still stand by the stone stoppers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it should be a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody should build their own stone stoppers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll offer my design and plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Put the blue prints out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But blue prints.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you have blue print right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know who should put out blue prints is David.
[SPEAKER_00]: David has built so many incredible things.
[SPEAKER_00]: that nobody laughs at.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now let's do solid.
[SPEAKER_00]: He makes good stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's struck Helen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should watch his project track that we recently did a video on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Helen is an off-road recovery truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: And dude, the crane and the bed design.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he put like four different winches inside of this bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two pointing outwards to help people and two winches inside the bed to run the crane actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: David is, is all of our hero because if David needs something, he rarely buys it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just makes it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is pretty loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: He told me recently, I just visited him last week like I told you.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, I need a trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, he's like, I'm building one.
[SPEAKER_00]: He bought a really broken down trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he has something to start from.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's rebuilding the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He moved the axles.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's turning into this pretty heavy duty unit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how David works.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyways.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but wait, I wanted to ask this, why are we even bothering drug racing with trailers?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and it's funny because we see that comment sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why doesn't matter, you guys are stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Part of pulling trailers is accelerating.
[SPEAKER_02]: It happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: most times when you drive and especially up here in the mountains, vehicles can struggle.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're trying to go up by seventy steep grades like we do on the hike, power matters.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're pulling a heavy trailer and more power is better power.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah and also we're also childish and we like to see how fast things are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but like I think something happened in a heavy duty drag race specifically also that you discover something about a vehicle that is not discoverable if you didn't have a heavy load behind it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like for example, the Cummins RAM, twenty five hundred, actually perform better with a trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like then without.
[SPEAKER_00]: compared to other trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes you discover something about a vehicle where that straight-six diesel was actually enjoying pulling a trailer.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the V-eight you know are great and very fast trucks, you know the Chevy V-eight and then the Ford V-eight diesels.
[SPEAKER_00]: But but it seemed like the comment just came into its own a little bit better than some others.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next accelerating is in everything, that's why we do the hike, so we can test braking, we can test ride and handling and hitching up and all the other components to telling.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is fun to put truck side by side and see which one is the best at accelerating a trailer down the strip.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was also funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm about to make it sound like it's a dumb thing, but there were several comments saying on the HD drag race that we should do the same thing, but with much heavier trailers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess because that drag race we did with the trailers we were pulling was too fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we were reaching seventy five seventy seventy five miles an hour, which is actually interstate speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not that's not that's relatable.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can drag race was much too fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need a trailer slow down, but but but I know, but it would be good, but I would agree because you could discover something more.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you don't discover breakage.
[SPEAKER_00]: but because if you put thirty thousand pounds behind a duly and then do just some drag racing something interesting could happen and be intense and part of that something could be either breakage but you could also discover something else about those trucks that you didn't know existed maybe some of them would overheat maybe some of them because if we do a couple of different runs maybe some of them would end up with no rear tires maybe some of them will smoke the tires to nothing
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so I would say it's not out of the question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually brought it up during the meeting where we should tow Drag Race Heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would do a lease?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let us know what else would you like to see us drag race with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe turbocharged trucks, which are brand new, maybe smaller trucks, yeah, maybe we've done electric drag racing without trailers and those vehicles are just ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those vehicles like the Rivians and the Hummer, EV and a lot of the others, they're just super mega fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and especially up here at Altitude, or Patmosphere's little thinner, and that doesn't impact the EVs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fending thing, it's actually a little easier for the EVs, because they're not pushing as much air out of the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, whereas a combustion vehicle is usually slower at Altitude, EVs are usually marginally faster.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're open to your suggestions.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you told us don't ever do this again, we probably won't.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you told us, hey, we want to see something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe VIII versus Turbo.
[SPEAKER_00]: See how the turbocharger affects or changes that towing experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can do that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let us know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go where the people want us to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see you next time.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was episode two, eighty nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So next time it will be at two, ninety.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can close three hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we going to do for three hundred episode?
[SPEAKER_00]: Something special.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have a barbecue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cole will probably present us with a cake.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a cool if Cole gave us a cake.
[SPEAKER_02]: The three hundred we should do a live audience podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be big.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they can see behind the camera Cole just bored out of his mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us and I will see you next time.