[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to Jeff Chris podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: My name is Justin three and I'm joined as always by my good friend Mike Luciano Mike football is back, baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: Today is the first day of jet straining camp kind of it's kind of second day first practice of jet straining camp all ninety members of the team are with the organization in Floran Park.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jets football's back.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel him buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling hopeful in the spirit of as I mentioned to Justin, I just saw Superman over the weekend, which was absolutely fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't like that movie, I don't value your opinion on movies because what is there not to like in that movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, press movie reviews when I will say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it was in the MCU of all the projects they've done, it would be like in the top four or five.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's pretty solid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So with the message being that hope is the new punk rock, let's let's be a little hopeful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not be doom and gloom jets fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can be that in weeks six when they're one and five, but for right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be a little hopeful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about some position battles because that's really going to be what the next week we're going to have two weeks is all about is figuring out how the depth chart's going to shake out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to look at that six or seven really important position battles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could determine if this team's going to be a three win team or maybe something a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about a super bowl like Aaron Glenn is saying, but a little bit better than people are expecting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Justin
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just get right into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of long to experience the chats and I've arrived home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great first practice, Connor, of course, being at a floor park today.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have credentialed media in chat here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you can lend some credence to some of the blovations we will spout off with.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the blovations.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that word, Mike.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to lie.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is blovations mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jelly, you got to read the dictionary for hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: Read the dictionary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what we just read the dictionary for hours?
[SPEAKER_03]: I have better things to do with my life.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Political speech.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if that's even what you meant to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's globalization.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's globalization is a style of empty pompous political speech.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, it's like saying, well, we're going to say a bunch of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it may have merit or maybe not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't know what you're deviating.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's been valid.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Understood.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I confirm you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're good.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're a new power move.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're four minutes into the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying that you're validated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into, let's get into some training camp battles.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to kind of go down the line here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to start on the offensive side with something that we've talked about pretty heavily over the last few off season podcasts because
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a huge talking point.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to really determine the ceiling of this offense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we still really don't have any clarity on what it looks like.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the frickin' running back room.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there are three guys that are the main contenders.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I came along with my big kick returner.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's three guys that are going to be toting the rock, barring something
[SPEAKER_01]: unforeseen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Police Hall obviously we know what he's capable of and what he showed last year, which was probably not what he's truly capable of.
[SPEAKER_01]: That offense, but also bad year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes guys just stink for a year like Josh Jacobs.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't really know where he's at, ceiling wise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really unknown, pretty solid.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got the two youngsters, Braille and Alan Isaiah Davis, Braille and Alan, of course, the more height of the two, a bigger stronger back, who this offense really wants to get him going.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had caught a couple passes today, showing these maybe have some more upsides or receiving back, and a lot of guys thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Isaiah Davis, third string back, but the last
[SPEAKER_01]: half of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was the better running back of the two when compared to Braille Allen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I say Davis was over five yards of carry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Braille Allen was barely over three and a half, which is not good at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one really knows how it's going to shake out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you also have to factor in Justin Fields going to be carrying the ball a lot, because he's Justin Fields and he has two and he has a thousand yard rushing season as a quarterback under his belt, which most most guys don't have.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be really interesting to see how the pieces fit together.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I had to kind of divvy it up, carry wise in a game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just say the jets are going to run the ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this is a crazy thing to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe thirty five times a game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really think they want to run the ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want it to be, I think, like a sixty forty running split.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Glenn wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Justin Fields would probably be better with.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying Hall would probably start the year with half those carries.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seventeen eighteen a game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think fields ends up with maybe five or six on design runs and scrambles and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the remaining six will probably be divvied up each between brilliant out and Isaiah Davis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Allen gets a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I'm watching is Alan and Davis specifically, because we all know Hall's going to do something well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to see really how it shakes out with Alan and Davis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a lot of high hopes for Alan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the metone coming in the draft, but you can't average three and a half yards of Karen is legal and expect to get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just can't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he struggles again this year,
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole running back picture is out of whack because the idea of moving on from Bruce Hall is helped by the fact that you have Alan Davis back here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They stink.
[SPEAKER_01]: They really reboot the overpay for Hall and make him the bell cow and give him the ball four hundred times a year like Larry Johnson with the chiefs back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you do, but we may get some clarity as to what the jets are going to try to do in the next few weeks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think even if you are going to eat into Breeze Hall's carries by giving more touches to Braille and out and Isaiah Davis, Breeze Hall is still going to end up carrying the ball more this year than he did last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, barring anything on for scene happening or barring him getting traded last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Breeze Hall carried the ball more than sixteen times in the game once exactly one time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're saying like, oh, the jets are going to run the ball thirty five times and Breeze is going to get half those carries.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's literally already carrying it more than he did pretty much every game that he played in twenty twenty four.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I expect that to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just I'm very interested to see how it shakes out because Aaron Glenn had spoken in the past back in like February, March, April, whatever it was just before the draft.
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of hinted at there being a bit of a committee approach to the backfield now you never know that could just be coach peak and he was also in the building for like a month or two so it's not like he had a full grasp of the talent ability of every player on the roster but those suggestions of a of a committee approach definitely going into the draft they were part of the reason why there were some trade rumors surrounding brie saw where it was like oh maybe the jets don't view brie saw as the guy in that backfield and he was a whole show as a
[SPEAKER_03]: We did a real thing for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still would have loved Ash and Jetsy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I do believe the Jets did have actual conversations about trading grace all, ultimately they did not.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they're probably better off for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about reason to pass.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we talked about him last week where I said he has probably the widest range of outcomes of any player on this entire roster going into twenty twenty five.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a very real chance that he is traded by the deadline if the Jets are bad and he's struggling again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's a very real chance he's a top five running back in football this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think both of those are very feasible outcomes for how twenty twenty five will go for breeze.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's really hard for me to predict how he's going to, you know, like what what his workload is going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think he will be the top running back in that room.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't I'm not buying the idea of it being like a true thirty three thirty three thirty three split.
[SPEAKER_03]: between the three running backs.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it'll be brief and then behind him, Braylon Allen and Isaiah Davis competing for that RB II job, which will be interesting because for most of last year it was Braylon Allen, although he was not particularly efficient with those carries.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a good start to his rookie campaign and did really nothing else at that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you said he averaged three point six yards per carry on the contrary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Isaiah Davis averaged five point eight yards per carry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, very limited sample size and Isaiah Davis really wasn't worked into the offense more until the latter portion of the season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also just
[SPEAKER_03]: very difficult to evaluate any of those jet running backs given one how little the jet rushed the ball last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: They ran the ball the least amount of times at a very any team in the NFL and to just it was a bad situation all around like and I think just like the running gate or the the offensive line.
[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about how this is the best of the line of jets about in a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still think it was pretty good especially later in the year when when fashion or step-in-a-left tackle replace time and Smith.
[SPEAKER_03]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, four fifths of the starring line from last year's back this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you still had Keith Carter coordinating the run game and you had Nathaniel Hockett and Todd Downing trying to who just got another job by the way Nathaniel Hackett backers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that official or is he just like hanging around training camp?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like Robert Sala last year after we acquired is like he's a lost puppy.
[SPEAKER_03]: He needs a place to be and they're like come back the green bag.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll take care of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It amazes me how good of a networker he is, and how he has nothing to back it up on me is what clearly a likable guy with over a decade.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, obviously people in the NFL do, and if you're a likable guy with over a decade, he's only two decades of experience at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are probably going to have a job for life in the NFL if you want it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's clearly the thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's also a Tim Boyle statement.
[SPEAKER_03]: That that is also it they have nine lives between the two of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I think that the running game even if, you know, like, even if Brace if you want to just account for okay, twenty twenty three is a fluke and he's not nearly as good as we thought I still think the judge running game should be a lot more effective this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I mean, you have
[SPEAKER_03]: Ideally, Tanner angstron and this new Jets offense of staff will be more competent at their jobs, at least putting together a run game and Keith Carter, because I can't tell you how much time, you know, how many times last year, it wasn't even necessarily the fault of the Jets offensive line from a talent perspective, it was just miscommunication after miscommunication, if the miscommunication up front.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think now having, you know, hopefully more competent coaching staff will change that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm very interested to see how the running back room shakes out overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it turns out hiring all the coaches that got Mike Vrable fired was not a good offensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a thought strategy.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think there's a chance?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what do you think is the highest percentage of carries?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I really do think still even with last year that I think I'll add in a little higher regard than Davis.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's like the highest percentage of cares you think you could probably take away from guys like all in fields?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, well, again, it's the dependent falls around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I see a world where Halls traded by, uh, by the great deadline.
[SPEAKER_01]: It falls around the entire time and it's, okay, four point three yards of carry with a little bit of brief explosion in their kind of kind of what you're thinking, bristle do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how do you, how do you think Braille and fits into that?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, in a best case, Neo for Browon Island where Breeze Hall is still on the team for the entire year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there is a world where he can impress enough to eat in the Breeze Hall's carries.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe in a fifty-fifty split.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the running that position is just so volatile year by year that like it's it's impossible for me to predict like going into the year.
[SPEAKER_03]: where these guys are going to end up again literally this the conversation we have a brief hall a year ago this time was is he the second best running back in the end of the Christian McCaffer right and I think the consensus was yeah I think he's the second best running back in the league like that's where we were on brief hall a year ago uh... so it's it's a very different to send off as a and a right right legitimately yeah and I think we're going out and like right now we're talking like oh
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, again, I think there's a world where he sucks and he's not, uh, particularly effective running back and look, he averaged prepoint six yards per carry last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that is who he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, he's obviously still very young.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's a lot of context to that, but yeah, maybe he's, maybe he's just another Michael Carter situation or another Michael P Ryan to make it even worse, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Another fourth round running back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe he is the guy, and maybe he emerges as one of the top running back.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a lot of words to give you a non-answer there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I will say that it's possible that he could absolutely end up in like a fifty-fifty split with with with Brishal if he impresses and Bris struggles.
[SPEAKER_01]: over at wide receiver and we don't want to be the dead horse here, but this horse is still kicking a little bit over at wide receiver.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to see a lot of website and again, jet pressing included a lot of things where they're like, this jet's player is close to getting cut or whatever, and it'll be malachi corally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you'll see a lot of posts like that if you're just on Google or on Google if you're looking for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're on the Google internet machine, you sound like my seventy two year old dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: What Google.
[SPEAKER_01]: That didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember Betty Davis.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't sound like him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, me and Teddy Lamar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, stop showing up your knowledge of all of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, you'll see a lot of that because he is on his last leg already, which is funny because I don't even really think he had legs before that with a little equity he built up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the point keeps getting hammered home because it is so unusual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you pick a guy this high, and he's bad as rookie, which happens a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes guys end up throwing it around and they're great and they just need a new coach.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were talking about this in a work Slack channel recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember a time because obviously this is an LOL jets thing for not knowing what they had with with Corley, but the draft media was high on them too.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had them as like a top fifty player a lot of outlets.
[SPEAKER_01]: When was the last day to skill position player that everyone just whiffed on like this badly?
[SPEAKER_01]: where he can't play it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the concerning part because I've it's hard to see a guy you got picked basically a second or help pick one the first pick of the third round after being traded up to acquire.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then now they're like, well, maybe he can be wide receiver six, because they have four spots guaranteed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that wire receiver and Garrett Wilson obviously Josh Reynolds Allen is our that's your top three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Smith, we don't know where he's going to fit in, but they're not going to cut him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's probably going to be maybe number five or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They supposedly are talking up his speed and what they're going to do with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler Johnson, I don't think gets cut because I don't own a ton of money, but I think he probably makes it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's probably Johnson and Ari and Smith fighting for YRC or four.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's Corly, a guy who, and we've talked about this before, well, maybe a new coaching staff can figure them out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't seem that interested in them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's certainly not helping his case, because all the reports from camp and kind of longing to confirm this, if you were there, he's dropping passes already.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't, this is just a complete whiff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's fine to make fun of Joe Douglas for that and Robert Sala, but don't act like you, the viewers at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm antagonizing the audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not act like we didn't all have high expectations from Alicacorley.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what do you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't play at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Brian brings up an excellent point in chat where he says, fret not if the jet's why receiver room is so good that it doesn't need the fourth best wide receiver prospect in the entire twenty four draft that should be easy to trade him higher than probably Thomas that'll be that'll be on Joe Douglas is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: P Joe Douglas.
[SPEAKER_01]: He ranked mouth.
[SPEAKER_03]: And lad McConkey, like there's there was so many other like Brad receiver's in that class outside of the top there.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've had who had productive rookie seasons and are likely to have very productive NFL careers and there's a real possibility that we're talking about Malachi Corley ending his jets and who knows maybe is NFL career
[SPEAKER_03]: Why would you take him on after he wanted to be shown you three catches sixteen yards most known for a fumble at the goal line there's a very real chance that is his NFL's that line like they're there and I don't want it to be I want nothing more for him than for him to just show some signs of life and find his way into the roster but I will say right now he's fighting an uphill battle.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know you can see receivers
[SPEAKER_03]: Was that you think they keep six receivers?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think they keep six, maybe even seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think right now, I'm not even cherry makes it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They keep seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't play special teams either exactly like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was I was going to say that that is like one of the biggest reasons that he couldn't even get active in games last year is because the old regime didn't trust in the play special teams and
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's in the mix for the kick returner job this year, which when the jet's drafted him, that was, you know, he didn't really do that a ton at Western Kentucky, that a little bit, but not much.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there was a lot of talk, like, hold the new kick return rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: Malica, I call at least perfect for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, not even, I don't even, I don't even, I don't even, didn't even get a return in the preseason.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think, I think they were, if I remember correctly, I could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember they had some sort of him and Gibson were both trying it out and just Gibson was, yeah, immediately better and they just say, well, let's not even try that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's that didn't work?
[SPEAKER_01]: Gibson.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to kick back anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's probably the best kick returner on the roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gibson, who, by the way, must have punt in practice today.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't even know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have a single digit number and be muffled.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so funny because I feel like going in the training camp, everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why receiver five, why receiver six is always usually one of the most fun position battles where it's like, Oh, which UDFA is going to make an impact right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's have six NFL caliber.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why receivers on their team.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I, Jamal,
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if he does anything, if he's showing signs of any kind of life this summer, he's probably going to make this team over Xavier Gibson, probably going to make this team over Malachi, because I'm not sure at this stage what value either of those guys provides.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope Corly can do well with it's a clean slate fresh start with the new coaching staff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately,
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it could have gone worse for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: At this point, he got he missed pretty much the entire spring with an undisclosed injury and his first training camp practice so far.
[SPEAKER_03]: He dropped the a wide open pass to end practice and did nothing of note.
[SPEAKER_03]: While Pritchett, by the way, made a dive in the diving catch, a sliding catch, I believe, from Adrian Martinez.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think they keep six and Gibson the sixth.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think if right now if I had to make a, you know, why receiver prediction or a fifty three men roster prediction, I think they keep six and pressure to six and then maybe they start herb Charles, maybe they like have him on the fifty three just so they could put him on IR to start the year because if you put him on IR before the
[SPEAKER_03]: roster countdown he's out for the year and then Charles maybe comes back at some point like I can see them doing that but I I don't think right now Corly makes it and I I would maybe this is me being hopeful.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Gibson should make it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to see what pressure could do as a proper proper turner, but
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't be hard to be significantly better than Xavier Gibson, both as a receiver and a returnman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't always have that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those return, the Rogers Achilles, and I don't always have that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Brian said, in contracts and Brandon, contracts, and of course, the judge traded in the bills was even better than Gibson.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he just had to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is pretty wild that the judge had a clear, very good kick return option in camp, a proper turn option as well, a contract and he does both.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they traded in the bills, which like look,
[SPEAKER_03]: If you weren't going to keep one of the fifty three, and you were going to wave him, because they were likely to get a try and stick him to the practice squad.
[SPEAKER_03]: That wasn't going to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some glad they got something, even if it was a swap of six and seven, they're up picks in a couple of years.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, seeing what Gibson did last year, like, clearly they need some juice there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope Kenny Noongu could be that guy in the kick return game.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'll preach it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's who I'm hoping for right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So where do you think Aaron Smith fits in roster?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know you're not a fan of the pick, but he is pretty much locked into a roster spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they just put him on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I used the entire year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think he ends up doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, here's a good way to phrase it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think he has a bigger role than Mallock I Corly?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think it will be on the team and Mallock I Corly won't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, then Corly had in his rookie year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it would be really hard for him not to have a bigger role than that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I will say, yes, even in like a floor situation, I think his absolute floor is like roughly
[SPEAKER_03]: what Corly did last year, maybe a little bit more involved.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he'll be more involved.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think they'll give them more opportunities than Corly got because what's the harm right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you have last year was Aaron Rogers, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you threw Malek I Corly out there with a team that you were trying to win games, like the obviously they're trying to win games this year, but they were like trying to save their jobs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Trying to win a championship and trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying to win a championship, trying
[SPEAKER_03]: There's going to be a lot less patients for a guy like Corley who they think just can't play, even if they think Smith can't play, I think they're still going to give him reps.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're still going to have him opportunities.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, if he impresses any actually is a good, like if he significantly over achieves and exceeds expectations,
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no, there's nothing stopping him from being wide receiver too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like this, the competition's Josh Reynolds and all those are.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is not steep competition.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't fix anything, just the catching.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it makes him viable.
[SPEAKER_03]: If he just drops passes at like a below average rate and not like worse than league, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that would be an improvement.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, I'll say this.
[SPEAKER_03]: If he dropped, if he built drops passes at a below average rate and not an analyst are great,
[SPEAKER_03]: he should be getting snaps like he has the the game breaking speed like that is an element to that really is does not exist in this offense like air Wilson sure but I don't think air Wilson is like I mean what we'll see because you didn't really see it all last year him being used as a deep threat because Aaron Rogers just did not throw them all past five yards
[SPEAKER_03]: But I wonder if they're going to use Wilson in that capacity a little bit this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Aaron Smith gives you an element that none of the other debt receivers on your roster do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like no one else is going, you know, stretching to feel the way he does.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's at least even competent.
[SPEAKER_03]: He'll get, he'll get touches, he'll get snaps and wouldn't be shocked if he's getting, you know, maybe he's fourth in target share amongst the receivers by the end of the year, which would be fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to be a fine rookie season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk offensive line, shall we?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: One that I think is a very odd competition because I get Aaron Glenn wanting to foster a competitive environment and I get him say, and look, you guys suck last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't be walking into anything thinking you're safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might be a nominal starter, but like one of my got a hold on the legacy you made for a five and twelve team, like I don't care about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I get him trying to instill it at you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the right attitude to half here, especially with a lot of the younger guys that aren't like quite a Williams is a starter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, obviously, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But with some of the fringe guys go, okay, Joe Tittman, I thought had kind of pulled himself out of that tier because I thought he was one of the better offensive liners on the team last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's one of the best centers in the AFC.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Aaron Glenn is not back and down from he's got to go and beat out Josh Myers, who was another Ohio State connection him and Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson all played together in college.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tiffany and obviously played against them at Wisconsin.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're sticking to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know Joe Tipman even said, like, look, I was surprised when they signed Josh Myers for this role.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because when they added Josh Myers, who flows to Donald, he was the center with the Green Bay Packers, the last couple years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And kind of below average is a starter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably below average starter in the mid-twenties for centers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a high end backup.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably can move around a little bit if you need them to.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's when I thought the jet signed them for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, they're having a legitimate
[SPEAKER_01]: Competitionier for lack of a better word.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really surprised me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think tipman ends up winning is tipman's the better player in the established starter coming into it, but they're not back and down from this, and that's surprising to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll listen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll, we've talked about this before.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say from the start, I would be shocked, stunned, dumbfounded, whatever you want to say.
[SPEAKER_03]: If the, I would be completely befuddled, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: If the outcome of this is anything other than Joe Tipman as your week one starting center.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll get that out of the way first.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the fact that it's even a competition, like that is,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's silly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think it's just a little silly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I get the whole thing like you send to me and I write like people, you know, the counter argument has been like, oh, you want competition every position, you want, you know, you don't want to just hand guys jobs.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a fine mindset to try and instill.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where's the continuity with that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because Joe Tittman is the only guy on that starting off as a line who is competing for a job.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike, they have a rookie, Armon Membo, who is currently pencil and is the starter, not a competition.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have a solid.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have Chukwuma, a chlorofore, where they signed, who has more career starts than Josh Myers.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been a starter in the league, longer than Myers has.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is he not competing with a rookie who's never played in NFL down?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Joe Tittman, who, again, you want to argue the validity of PFF grades, whatever you say, he was a top ten center in the NFL, a PFF last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you can make a case that he's not a top ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: Holden, I test, Matt, they match that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I tend to not tend outside of top ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll take that easily.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you can make a case that he's not a top-fifteen center.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was not a top-fifteen center in the NFL last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really don't think you can make that argument.
[SPEAKER_03]: Josh Myers, by the way, thirty-eighth out of forty qualified PFF centers last year in an average or in PFF grade.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's never ranked higher than twenty-sixth.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's had four years, really three and a half years, because he got hard as rookie year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Three and a half years of being one of the worst starting centers in football.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's been his film for three and a half years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think he's a very good backup, but when they made that move, I was very excited because I thought he was a step up from Wishfightser who had kind of been that backup center, backup guard, you know, the backup interior offensive lineman, and he's also more durable than Schweitzer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he got hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: Myers got hurt as rookie year, but since then, I don't think he's missed a game.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he's missed one.
[SPEAKER_03]: But uh, you know, I was very happy with that and they signed them to one year three million, which that's back up money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that, that is not starter money at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is exactly what you'd expect a top backup into your off-to-one to get paid.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's around which vice versa was getting paid with the jets.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it seemed so obvious.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, this is clearly just a depth move.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good signing, good move.
[SPEAKER_03]: based that I saw that was a report exactly what's about the athletic said today that the jets did not expect mire is to be available at that price point when they brought him in so that might have been why they signed him like it was like oh we're getting a guy who we think is a starting calmer player for cheap and maybe like sure i think you can make a case that mire's a starting calmer player did not get that was a great value deal considering he's done with the packers he's never been a backup he's been a starter last three and a half four years with the with the packers
[SPEAKER_03]: Not a good one, though, and it's not someone I want starting my football team, especially when you have a guy in Joe Tippman who is not only, again, I think a top ten to twelve center in football who's only ascending and could get even better this year, but he's in his third year.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's played what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Twenty something career NFL games?
[SPEAKER_03]: He's an ascending player.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's someone you're building your office a line around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think this is going to amount to anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think comes September or October.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's going to be any talk of Josh Myers pushing him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's going to be a weird summer anecdote of, you know, remember the time that Josh Myers was pushing Joe Tittman first, like when Tittman makes his first proble or whatever, you know, you can be out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brian Sternbex says, maybe if you Tittman has a trade piece, I don't think I hope not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I really hope not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think Tiffany is someone you're training.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, you, you rarely see teams trade good offensive linemen.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's essentially good young offensive linemen on a rookie contracts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that is just, you, it's hard to put a price on that in this league because they're few and far between.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I would be shocked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so for less than a third, I mean, you picked him in the second.
[SPEAKER_03]: If that's not a good value trade.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'd want more.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would absolutely want more.
[SPEAKER_03]: But again, it's one of those things where it's like, how do you price that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's another reason you don't really see those players get traded very often is because they're more valuable than the teams are on usually than the teams that would be acquiring them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, Joe Tipman should be one of the more valuable pieces on that jet's offense.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's weird that he's competing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I don't think it's going to amount to anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the other weird thing too about this is before we move on to a defensive side.
[SPEAKER_01]: is it be one thing if they said you know what we're switching our skin just his style works better maybe miles a little smaller little more athletic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a great athlete.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think tip minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying if that was the logic, I'm like, I don't know if I agree with it, but I could see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They talk all this game about run first.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a ground and pound kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Aaron Glenn seemingly wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get this guy from Detroit all these backs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chetman's what, six, six, three, thirty, and he came from Wisconsin, where Braille and Al was run a few thousand.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the run blocking guy over Myers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's exactly someone you want, like climbing up to the second level, like his athleticism that could be really valuable in the run game.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's surprising.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I don't think it's going to amount too much.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think come six months or now it's going to be a conversation or it's talking point at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just going to be one of those weird things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember, kind of like how last summer, Joe Tittman had those, the snap issues and people were like, oh my God,
[SPEAKER_03]: going to be, you know, is this a real problem and then the regular season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, and the regular season happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you had like one bad snap the whole year and everyone forgot about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is probably going to be a situation like that, but that doesn't make it any, you know, any less weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, it's is not like an anti-competition thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like sure, compete at spots.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want continuity.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're to have Joe Tippman competing with Josh Myers, why the hell is an arm on Membo competing with Chukumo a core, a core for?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is Xavier Newman not competing with Johnson?
[SPEAKER_03]: Johnson has won year of good tape in the NFL on on his resume.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is he not competing for job, but Joe Tippin is I just it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's going to matter, but it's still a very weird story nonetheless.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk past rush.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, what's the past rush is one area that, as you mentioned before, some fans, what we like to draft a lot, some didn't, you can't fix everything in one draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the jet's chose not to address the defensive line until the fifth round this year when they got Tyler Barron, who I actually really like, as I mentioned in Justin, I think I like to more after they draft them, because I went back and looked at them, like, oh, there's something here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now what they got really their top three guys, which that'll make a break your pass rush is well McDonald.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great pass rusher can't defend the run to save his life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he did bulk up supposedly people that are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he needs a lot stronger this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going on what we've seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to see it first before we believe in him as a run defender.
[SPEAKER_01]: Germaine Johnson, who's like blew up last year, he's still hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what where he's really at right now because they kill you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some guys are like Kevin to rant and they come back and they're fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some guys never play again.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Carl Austin Carl Austin Carl Austin.
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially past rushers and then Michael Clemens who was Aaron Glenn got asked about Michael Clemens now the general consensus is strong guy scary looking guy guy want next to me from going into kind of a pad neighborhood not a great football player is the consensus but.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Glenn's just trying to make the best or a bad situation and talk up his guys, but he does seem like he thinks he can get something out of Michael Clemens, who if the season started today July, twenty-third of the jets had to play July, twenty-fourth, Michael Clemens would be a starting ad rusher.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not ideal.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the situation they're in right now may be Tyler Baron by the end of the year if he proves that he can defend the run a little bit for a guy that's that big maybe he can take snaps away from him because he's going to get snaps anyway Tyler Baron's the number four pass rush around this team right now and he's a fifth round rookie probably he's going to get some snaps
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm watching mostly because I legitimately think of all the day three picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even if you can't authority a Thomas, which we're going to later, how that's going to work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really the only guys I could see getting more playing time than Tyler Barron and the rookie years are member when Mason Taylor, who were on question starters with their positions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's definitely a clear path to playing time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be shocked when we talk about safety of the later Malachi more might work his way into the safety room mix as well, but yeah, I mean, there's there's not much when you're looking at that jets defense of line.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll talk about the attack on a moment, but there are three guys on that defense line.
[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, I've talked about, I was just on Connor Long show yesterday.
[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about this a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are three dudes in that jets defense of line who are good football players, the Twin Williams, fantastic player.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the best events of tacos in the NFL.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you mind Johnson?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure what he's going to look like, post the killies, but pre-acquilies, he was a very good football player, very good defensive end, can defend the run at a high rate, had seven and a half sacks, made the pro bowl as an alternate, but still had a very good twenty twenty three season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the Wilma Donald, who is the best pass rusher on this team by a mile, ten and a half sacks last year, run defense was really bad, but you're hopeful that, you know, he put on that fifteen pounds of weight, which is something that he really struggled to do in the past.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am very optimistic, as somebody who has been a Wilma Donald,
[SPEAKER_03]: Douder for lack of a better term, like I don't think I've been unnecessarily critical, but definitely more skeptical of him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then others, I'm more optimistic about McDonald going through this year because he put on that weight.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was a thing that he really struggled with the last couple of seasons.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's an older guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's twenty seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: We might be getting his prime year soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's he's he's twenty twenty six or because he was an old rookie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's twenty and there's twenty five.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just twenty six already.
[SPEAKER_03]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it turned twenty six in June.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, he wasn't all the rookie, but outside of those three guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing like there is absolutely nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That goes for the DN room.
[SPEAKER_03]: That goes for the D attack a room.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a far cry from previous jets, defensive lines where we talked about like how an unbelievably deep these units like oil these guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: was like a year ago yes literally was and funny how that worked out to because in the summer we saw guys like tack McKinley dominate and breed McGregor and it's like well they got a carry like eleven defensive linemen how could they keep all these guys McKinley got caught mid-season did absolutely nothing McGregor did nothing air quads the basically nothing like funny how that works out the tender tailor was the only one who did something I like you had a good rookie season especially for an undergrad the player um but yeah i mean just looking at that d right d end room
[SPEAKER_03]: Michael Clemens is penciled in right now as your top back up D. End.
[SPEAKER_03]: Germain Johnson is expected to be ready for week one, but who knows again how effective it will be, what if he'll be on any kind of a snap count.
[SPEAKER_03]: So right now you're looking at Clemens as your top back up defense event.
[SPEAKER_03]: That said.
[SPEAKER_03]: don't think it's a guarantee he's on the roster like I think he's more likely than not on the week one roster but the jets you know he carries a three point six something like that cap it yeah three point six cap it this year they could cut him for less than two hundred k he's basically got to be dependent on a germane selfie because a measure of germane's not healthy
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so a couple things.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's dependent on where they feel about your main Johnson's health.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's dependent on the other guys in that room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Rashad Weaver has a really good summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Brady McGregor, Eric Watts would be someone I think that could very easily just take that comment's role.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're very similar type players.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe they even make an addition.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't think they're going to be shopping at the, you know, the top end of the market, whatever that looks like in July.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I could see them make an addition.
[SPEAKER_03]: A guy that you've mentioned in the past, I talked about him yesterday in Conalong Show, Democracy Walker.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think makes a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: People have thrown out an area of smith.
[SPEAKER_03]: That one feels a little less likely to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's a bigger name than Demarcus Walker.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says he wants to play for the Lions because he's renchasing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think scenario Smith is a more cloud to kind of pick where he wants to go at this stage than someone like Demarcus Walker.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I wouldn't be surprised if they make an addition.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they're they're DN room right now is razor thin like they're they're one injury away from what Brad McGregor is as DN for like that's been
[SPEAKER_03]: is their fourth of them and that's that's really bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I couldn't run.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't rotate guys like solid did where he had to be bullied into playing Quinn Williams more, but he shuffles him around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I could see why it's going to excess to hopefully we don't get full for the third year in a row that multiple UDFA's at the same position being on the week one roster is a good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we'll.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, you doubt the power of Jets Hopium.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fatarma Mola and Peyton Page will make the week one roster people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, oh my god, the Detacca room is the first guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fatarma Mola.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a Star Wars character.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The tournament Mola.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like an actual right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should defensive tackle.
[SPEAKER_03]: They signed who's like first three initials are fat and people like, oh my god, project fat.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got a fat guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, with the West Virginia, Fatarma Mola.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, we're going to be substituted.
[SPEAKER_03]: See a situation like that or something where it's like, Oh, two sea tackles like made the, made the fifty three minute roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: They just don't under at the class of stacked and then neither do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, right about Fatura Mammola is the jets have his head shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: They very clearly just took a generic like like a black player like body from here down and then photo shot Fatura Mammola.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're on the official jet site.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go, just put them in on Google images and then you'll see the side by side.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's quite hilarious.
[SPEAKER_03]: for his headshot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they clearly put him on like, sauce gardener's body or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that it's just for a very obviously photo shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_03]: Skinny is shoulders look.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, or it maybe he just says really skinny shoulders.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike, you don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't judge.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not good for defensive line.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially when his nickname is fat, apparently.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you got to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got to live up to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got to be a big dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's a very thin room.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't be shocked if Clemens isn't on the week one roster right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: They realistically probably don't have anybody better though.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the unfortunate part.
[SPEAKER_01]: The defensive tackle room two is we mentioned this before this is the real thunder dome.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the real competition area because it is three veterans on one year deals saying have added to the best it's seen in the dark night.
[SPEAKER_01]: where Joker breaks the poll queue.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have try out safe.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did tell you before we started recording that I've never seen a DC movie before.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even the dark night.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen the dark night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Christ.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, what do they do?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not like a Marvel guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a superhero fan, but I have happened to see Marvel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, dark night when it came out anyway, we're getting off a new show already corner with Justin and Mike.
[SPEAKER_03]: We gotta do that one time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Although I'm not, I'll do TV show, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen any movies.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I'm more of a TV show guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm more of a TV show guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, this movie is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I haven't seen that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, that's the end of the episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm watching, you know, the show you, you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: The show you with Penn Magi.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I've heard of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm watching through that right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't even recommend it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not even particularly good show.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I've just made it so far.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to finish it now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm onto literally the last episode of the entire series or series.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything I've seen that you have and everything you've seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we just tell each other about the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I swear.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moving back to the defensive tackle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like, well, because obviously Quinn Williams is going to start.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to go four defensive line.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Quinn Williams is going to be one of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Clemens Johnson, we don't know who in the world but Donald.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, it looks like the fourth guy, the second offensive tackle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Javan Kinloss spot before he got very overpaid.
[SPEAKER_01]: The children don't understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: The children rank in spot, if you will.
[SPEAKER_01]: The children rank in spot is currently occupied by Derek Naughty.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I liked them bringing in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that Michael Hartman would be one of those like, hey, bring in a guy from a team that's once some super bowl show about one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, then he quit because he was a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: My pinky finger hurts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to return.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: He admitted it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've interviewed McCall Harman.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't want to say being in the things, but it was now hard to have.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I will.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not a good situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not he coming from Kansas City, a competitive environment, too, because he lost his job to Trashon Warren.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he knows kind of the environment that those that crucible can kind of bring out of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem though, and I mentioned this quote a lot of times on this show because it really dampened my enthusiasm.
[SPEAKER_01]: When they signed him, I'm like, oh, that's a pretty good one-year rental veteran run stuff for kind of guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our friends over at aerodynamic, the great Mac Conner at aerodynamic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, how is he goes, oh, man, he is really, really bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like fans like him because he does a lot of like saving straight dog kind of charity things, but like, yeah, he thinks can't play.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like, oh, that's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that leaves Byron Coward and Jake to Felly.
[SPEAKER_01]: To Felly is a complete whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they may be become something.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's just, I don't want to say canon fodder, but he's just going to be a backup.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think to Felly would be a surprise for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: May the fifty three.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe he sees that kind of guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Coward Byron Coward.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think is the naughty competitor here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Coward has a line up because the jets defense of Lanko, which is Eric Washington, why are they connected to the Marcus Walker?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the Marcus Walker Eric Washington were together in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what Byron Coward, I think came here because of Eric Washington.
[SPEAKER_03]: The other Walker connection, by the way, is Darren Moushi was in Denver, of course, when Walker was after me a second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there was a connection between Coward who used to be defensive and they moved him inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Tim and Nadie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Nadie starts week one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Nadie starts most of the year, but considering how it's time in Kansas City, I think this is just going to be a place where they shuffle guys in and out, hot hand kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe next all season, they look more earnestly at paying a guy multi or contract next to Quinn and or they just draft a guy pretty high.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they wanted to draft the guy pretty high this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted, I think, like, damn walker they were in on or a couple of hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Warden, follow their way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who was drafted right before AZ Thomas?
[SPEAKER_03]: Cause I think that the bill's got was that land in Jackson.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was damn walkers before Aryan Smith.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was the pick you're thinking of.
[SPEAKER_03]: That might be a very Thomas.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Vernon brought him was picked to pick sport.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think they were in on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now that that's a reach anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Demi Darious Alexander when a few spots would have been nice to have Darious Alexander.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he's and you weren't as big.
[SPEAKER_03]: You weren't as high on him, but in the third round that's pretty good value.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts on the defensive tackle room kind of at large?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's Quinn Williams and a bunch of jacks, you know, much of guys, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: A bunch of dudes that are just kind of fighting for reps, you know, Leonard Taylor is the one that Jets fans will latch on to.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has the highest ceiling, the highest upside of anyone in that room who's not Quinn Williams.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do think it's important to note though that, you know, even in like an optimistic best case scenario for Leonard Taylor this year,
[SPEAKER_03]: He's probably not going to be the guy that starts alongside Quinnon.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is undersized.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is definitely more of a three tech.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know Miami used him as kind of like a one tech nose tackle, a good amount, and that was not how you should be using a player like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we saw that with his numbers.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is easy to three tech through and through.
[SPEAKER_03]: And not a particularly good run stopper as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're looking for somebody who's going to start an early downs next to Quinn and Williams, I don't think that's going to be Leonard Taylor.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Leonard Taylor is probably going to be a pass rush specialist kind of coming in on those passing downs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he plays alongside Quinn and you know, in those obvious passing situations, but I don't think he's going to play next to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not he is the one who makes the most sense because he's been a one-tech for his entire career.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been a most hack or like he's a quote unquote runstuffer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you, you know, if you look at PFF grades, they would not agree with that assessment that he's a runstuffer.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know how many chiefs fans would also agree with that, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that is his rap like he is supposed to be a, you know, big body runstuffer in the middle of defense, which is really what the jets should be looking for next to quantum Williams.
[SPEAKER_03]: Coward again, take
[SPEAKER_03]: Take a mini camp and OTA reports, especially for trench play with the biggest grain of salt.
[SPEAKER_03]: But coward was supposedly, you know, had a couple of sacks and OTAs and mini camp and he was, you know, had a leg up on naughty.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't put it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is bicep soil at the size of my waist and he just doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and not intense practices.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't put a ton of weight into that, but yeah, he's going to be in the mix.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's just a lot of dudes there.
[SPEAKER_03]: J. Two failures.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if I, if there was like a definition of a just a guy, like that's J. Two.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you walked into a stair right now, could you figure out what J. Two probably looks like?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I can.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got the long hair.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know he's got long hair.
[SPEAKER_03]: He, he like, he looks like a football player.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, if you were to build a defensive tackle, I don't know where you actually don't know where you went to school.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't tell me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would guarantee it's a Paxwell school like or an OG Paxwell.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do know it's I do know where went to school and it is a Paxwell.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it like Oregon?
[SPEAKER_03]: USA.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we those were the two where that was going to be my second guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's either over here or so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't to go about to say Utah is literally about to say Utah like it's all it's Oregon state has like a lot of you know because I think he's some Owen or Tommy some colonies and yeah Paul there's a lot of Polynesian players go the fact well, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but he's in the mix like again, there's the UDFA's there's also Fidarian Mathis who's not someone that people talk about a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the old Washington bust.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was a top recruit albama second round pick of Washington a few years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: He dealt with some injuries and then even when he was healthy.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was not particularly good, but we're talking about linebacker three in a moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're probably going to talk about other Washington flame out from our similar era in Jame and Davis.
[SPEAKER_03]: The math this is in the mix too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to predict what it's going to look like now, just going into the summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll say if they carry for it's probably going to be Quinn in naughty, fire and coward and Leonard Taylor.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be my guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if that changes by the end of the summer, I would not be shocked.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like a lot of them are going to end up being somewhat interchangeable in a lot of respects.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Jayman Davis looking at the linebackers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a chance he wins that third rooks the top two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Quincy Williams and Jamie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really excited to see Quincy Williams in this defense this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think that last year wasn't quite as good as his is unbelievable, twenty twenty three season, but he was still very good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I think he proved he wasn't like a full one year wonder.
[SPEAKER_03]: There, he's not going to be part of a defense that they're going to let's him a lot more and he is a very effective blitzer both with the numbers and also like look at the dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason he shouldn't be an amazing blitz in line back early.
[SPEAKER_03]: The way he just his acceleration is unmatched about.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just reminded me of something has sawspened revealed in that top hundred players yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, where are they even up to?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember saying quipsy was going to fall.
[SPEAKER_03]: I stopped paying attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he's not in there yet, I'm concerned if he's not in the top hundred.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go and pitch a fit.
[SPEAKER_03]: What are they up to?
[SPEAKER_03]: They're up to, uh, they're up to, uh, sixty five.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think any other jets have been there.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's going to be up there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I think quincey, well, it's crazy quinnin fella, eighty seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quinnin quinnin Williams being apparently worse than his job than hiring Williams is very funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love hiring.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a fun player, but come on, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the most fun option with this linebacker room.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's a chance it happens is Kiko Mowagawa.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's also a name father of what is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Follow the lilya back then.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, it was like, seventy percent vowels in his name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I remember I remember reading that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Francisco Mowagawa has a chance to win that third linebacker role.
[SPEAKER_01]: a guy who see ball hit ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you want from a linebacker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a really good run stuff or in a way that can benefit this defense because Quincy I think is not a big line base.
[SPEAKER_01]: Five eleven.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not big linebacker.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jamie and Sherwood was obviously converted safety.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is not a big linebacker room.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not like an old school meeting potatoes kind of linebacker room.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Mau go what we kind of add a nice little
[SPEAKER_01]: flavor for lack of a better word that this group doesn't really have right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot, long ways to go in terms of covering well and being kind of an NFL level athlete, but I think in terms of the most fun options for the back abroad, which you and you hope doesn't get extended defensive time, you hope those two were playing all the snaps possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Malagawa is a really strong contender for that role and would not shock me at all if he wins that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the two Miami Dropics, Baron and Malego have a very clear path to playing time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they are, they are in two of the weakest and they're having to say, we just finished position groups on the entire Jets roster.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the Jets are one Quinn and Williams injury away from having one of the worst events of top rooms.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen them a long time and they are one.
[SPEAKER_03]: of lines I've seen along right and they're one you know Quincy Williams or Jamie and sure what injury away from I mean playing who at lineback or Marcelino McCreary ball who the hell fire Barnes who didn't even play in a game last year like I think it's it's a really thin lineback a room but that's why now we go as a real chance to emerge is that like as a third linebacker and also if you're looking at the future you know just I just sung to praise the Quincy Williams and talk to how he could have a big year I am not confident
[SPEAKER_03]: And in fact, right now, I would say I don't expect the jets to extend Quincy Lames after this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: He'll be, he's playing out the last year as deal, which, hey, shout out to him because we've talked about this a good amount.
[SPEAKER_03]: Over the off season, like, you know, hey, look, sure would got paid, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Quincy is extremely, extremely underpaid for his position.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it would not have been unreasonable for him to be like, hey,
[SPEAKER_03]: Give me new contract.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you paid sauce, you paid Garrett, you paid a guy who I'm better than at the same position.
[SPEAKER_03]: Top money, pay me too.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would not have been unreasonable for him to do that for those here pay me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like he's not going to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So shout out to Quincy Williams for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not going to get the, you know, the love that he should get from Jeff's fans for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I will give him that love.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I don't know if he's going to be a love.
[SPEAKER_03]: If no one else will.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: If if only one person is for all loves Quincy Williams, it's me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not Quinn and it's me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but so by we go as a real chance not only earned a spot this year as that linebacker three, but hey man, if the impresses, maybe he's a starting linebacker next year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe he's one of your two linebackers because there's really there's nothing that room to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's now we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is Jayman Davis who former first shot pick up Washington who flamed out there was very bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a total whiff on their part.
[SPEAKER_03]: Zair Barnes who played a handful of games as Ricky said.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he's played a defensive snap in his career.
[SPEAKER_03]: He missed all last year with an injury.
[SPEAKER_03]: Marcelina McCurray ball, who's a special team's guy, and then a couple of UDFA's Jared Bartlett, Aaron Smith, the Jackson Sermon's back.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a UDFA last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's just not much, there's not much competition.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: They spent a fifth round pick on him.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a real opportunity for playing time if he impresses the summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: The secondary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Justin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Training camps always great because every highlight is always, wow, this unit is great, fifty percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other fifty percent, whoa, this other unit that got beat by that one is terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, no, it's never, it's always the unit that does well.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the takeaway.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's always like, oh, the offense is cooking today.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you get just a fifty are touchdowns, Garrett Wilson's doing well.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Garrett Wilson is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't matter that Brandon Stevens got lost.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like no one's going to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the thing I was getting to.
[SPEAKER_01]: You may see a highlight going around of Garrett Wilson making a great catch over a corner back that did not turn a set around and might have made a plan the ball if you did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brandon Stevens, three year thirty six million dollar man was the corner back who was getting lost in that in that viral video.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that underscores kind of our problem for lack of a better word with the way the secondary is constructed because I think both of us really like the Azaria Thomas pick in a vacuum may not have the most immediate path to playing time like guys picked rounds later, but
[SPEAKER_01]: The value was really exceptional there.
[SPEAKER_01]: A guy who not a lot of people thought would get past like the fifties at seventy three like of course you take that you take that chance.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with Thomas is he can basically only play on the outside is a six to corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not very fast for as good as he is just overwhelming people not very fast or athletic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So because of that, he can't play in the slot.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Michael Carter in the Nickel defense.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't play on, so Saul's has got the other half of the corner back tan and walked down.
[SPEAKER_01]: So because of that, he basically has to compete with Brandon Stevens for every single snap.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other move that could do is move Stephens to safety, which I've seen some people say, because Andre Sisko's only there for a year, Tony Adams, thoroughly average, and a Woody Johnson hates him, but thoroughly average player.
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly not a long-term asset right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe move him there, but Thomas in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you've just paid bread and Stephens a corner back, like top five or six safety money to switch positions, which I don't think is what they intended either.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, on one hand, it's a good problem to have to have that many qualified cornerbacks that are that good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that many cornerbacks with this high of a ceiling, but.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really finding it like it's almost like you want to find ways that not play Stevens as much or move them around but he's the guy you signed to a three-year contract so you would think he's locked in as a starter and we still don't really know what the second year is going to look like and I don't want Thomas to just waste away on the bench forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: He cannot play one year fine with Stevens will still be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got to figure out a way to get Thomas on the field.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, going in the twenty twenty five brands, Stevens will be a starting corner.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's any actual competition there, but Stevens, there is already a time as it will be brands, Stevens and South gardener as you're too starting outside corners, Michael Carter and a slot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's anything Stevens could do barring an injury.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he could play the worst corner of football.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he probably still starts giving the money that they invested in him.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Gets only signed two players to multi your contracts this off season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Justin Fields, two years, forty million, and Brandon Stevens, three years, longest contract they gave out this off season to an external player.
[SPEAKER_03]: Three years, thirty six million, twelve million dollars a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not that far off from what DJ Reed got from the lines like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They paid Stevens.
[SPEAKER_03]: They paid him good money.
[SPEAKER_03]: based on hope and projection, because what we've seen for Brandon Stevens's this point is, I mean, you just take one look at a Ravens bait.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Ravens fans, by the way, have been eaten that clip up on Twitter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you saw that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really got a giant year or two now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think they are very happy that Brandon Stevens is no longer on their football team.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's been, I think he's the most targeted cornerback in the NFL over the last two years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think by a good amount.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think any cornerless come close to being targeted as much as he has.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's because, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, the issue that we know with Brandon Stevens is he doesn't get his head turned around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's been the tape on him.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's his reputation.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is often in good position.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has the tight coverage, but he can't get his head turned around.
[SPEAKER_03]: He can't make a plan to ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: His ball skills aren't good.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like Bryce Hall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember Bryce Hall had a similar issue as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Similar to that, Steven is a better athlete than Hall.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say, but I think also Hall was just
[SPEAKER_03]: better than Stevens was.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess the contracts wouldn't reflect that, but I thought Bryce Hall at least had one solid season where he was a solid started quarterback for the Jets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stevens really hasn't done that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he played safety early in his career, and then they moved in the corner, but especially last two years, especially last year, specifically.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not good for Brandon Stevens, but I don't think there's a world where
[SPEAKER_03]: There's already a Thomas actually pushes for his starting spot this early.
[SPEAKER_03]: If Steven is really struggling throughout the year, yeah, I wouldn't be shocked if they make a move there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really don't want to move him to safety.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it really would make, I don't think he's a particularly good safety to begin with, like they moved him the corner for a reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, partially because they drive the Kyle Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when you're at the Kyle Hamilton, you're not going to worry about Brandon Steven somewhere he's playing, but, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think he'd be a significantly better safety.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you'd also be paying him crazy money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ultimately, the contract is just really rough.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if, you know, we call it a one mistake from Darren Moogey was, we call it a heat check.
[SPEAKER_03]: We call it a heat check.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it is at the first thing he did, which is a crazy heat check.
[SPEAKER_03]: That and Aryan Smith are the two moves this off season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm just like really scratching my head where I'm like, there's a lot of evidence saying that this won't work.
[SPEAKER_03]: prove me wrong and show that it, you know, and maybe maybe one of them will work out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Aryan Smith has a better chance to be, you know, a quality fourth round pick than Steven's does of actually living up to the contract that they paid him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be very spriked for him to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has to be, I would say, a good starting corner.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he hasn't really shown anything remotely close to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to freak out over one training camp clip and, you know, we've seen Garrett Wilson Moss, lesser corners in the past.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm not going to fault Steven's too much for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is exactly the same thing that is really derailed as career and really hurt him in Baltimore is being in tight coverage, being in the right position.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can't make a plan of all that is exactly what happened in that clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've mentioned this before the show, which is what a weird thing for a corner back to not be good at.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's like you're in the NBA, you're like a six three guard and you just can't shoot any jump shots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just can't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's tough.
[SPEAKER_03]: And no, no team is paying guys like that in the NBA if you if you're if you're a six three guard you can't shoot you're not getting you're not getting brands teams money.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you weren't getting brands.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stevens money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe you're getting the A is right now money.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, we're in the same as a money in the NBA is nothing like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are getting like what's seventy eight million dollars in the contract one year Robertson just got what three years eighty eight million or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't have your kids play football man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Robison's telling like sauce garden or like get your money up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is I can't do math?
[SPEAKER_03]: What is AD?
[SPEAKER_03]: Do I?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's he's making almost thirty million a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get Robinson's actually making Garrett Wilson and and sauce garden.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's so ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's red and that's guaranteed to football and guaranteed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Holy shit dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the NFL's evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to call a time on our little training camp recap here, or preview rather.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the jet press podcast, we're going to a lot of battles that we're looking at.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sharing the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: More that we're going to talk about injuries.
[SPEAKER_01]: My create new ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's that's the way to land right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys for tuning in.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're going to find us on the podcast platforms, Apple Google Spotify overcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Justin Fried, any final thoughts?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I still don't know if thinking about overcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never even looked into what like the app icon looks like.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I, this is like, listen to the show from it.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is an inside joke, like, from like, maybe a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: It might be from our first episode where I was like, what's overcast?
[SPEAKER_03]: I still don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Two years, two and a half years later, I have no clue what overcast is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I actually, you know, I don't want to know what overcast is because I want it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's funny if I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I told you Mike is also an omission to the show, but not said this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never like drank a Coca-Cola or a Pepsi in my life before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's just not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have I said that live on China?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's now reached a point.
[SPEAKER_03]: First of all, no, it's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, where it's so ridiculous that this hasn't happened, that I have to keep the bit going.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's how I feel about overcast as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Never accidentally looked into one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I don't drink soda.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never had it in my house growing up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never willingly bought it as an adult.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you should get, though, I've been on this little product placement here that Ali Pop stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sponsor us.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you want to sponsor a solid pop.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is it that it is that soda?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a fake soda.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like thirty five calories a can and it tastes like soda.
[SPEAKER_03]: We know what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really like carbonated pepper.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll never mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also like sell to your like I don't drink.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't drink just impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't really drink carbonated stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not my thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I went sucked when I lived in Europe because every like water that you're served is all carbonated.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything's carbonated there and I'm like this sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how people look like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, we always get on these tangents at the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are my final thoughts are that I've never had soda and I don't know what overcast looks like and I'm happy that football is back.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's my last final thoughts.
[SPEAKER_03]: But until next time, thank you all for joining us on the show today.
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