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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey everybody, Bud Gaugh from sublime here and I'm giving you the story behind the song right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm Consequence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome listeners to the story behind the song.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Peter Csathy of Deep Cuts Media.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sublime is one of the great bands that broke out massively in the mid-Dine T-N-E with an entirely different punk scow reggae sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: The band hailed from so-called skateboard culture and proudly waved its long beach banner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Its breakthrough album was ninety-nine-seven self-titled sublime, a now-classic, multi-plattener album that spawned timeless tracks, Santaria, what I got, and wrong way, among others.
[SPEAKER_00]: No filler in the bunch.
[SPEAKER_00]: The great tragedy is that Sublime's frontman Bradley Noel never saw any of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He tragically died two months before the album's release, leaving his close friends and bandmates, drummer Bud Gaugh and Eric Wilson, Broken, and unable to ever fully enjoy their success and share their great music live.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here we are now decades later in Sublime as Reborn, releasing new music and touring behind Frontman Jacob Noel, Bradley Noel's own son.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this episode, I asked drummer Budga about all of it, and the story behind the band's great track, Long Way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll love this interview, but is exactly what you would expect them to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still morning, the death of this great band made to be sure, but also celebrating Bradley Knowles and Sublime's legacy and new authentic direction under Bradley Sun Jacob.
[SPEAKER_00]: Buds excitement and energy are palpable.
[SPEAKER_00]: So take a listen as we dive deep into the story behind the Sublime's iconic song, Long Way, with drummer and songwriter Bud Gaw.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great to see you and I see you're in Southern California to sunny day.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a sunny day here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's beautiful weather.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're having
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, bud, drummer of the great bands and blind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, legendary.
[SPEAKER_00]: I followed you guys from the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been in Southern California, K-rock, you know, back, back in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can visualize it right now driving up the big bear and listening to some blind.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just amazing music.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the really cool thing is that
[SPEAKER_00]: the the legend continues you guys are in the studio rumor has it and you have we are in the studio right now yes give me whatever clues you can about the album or the music when it's gonna come out because that's pretty exciting news we've been moving
[SPEAKER_02]: like at breakneck speed right now things are really coming together quite fast we're excited about that we have an idea for our first single and we're getting ready to
[SPEAKER_02]: to release that here coming up shortly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't have an exact date for it yet, but if you come to our shows, chances are you might get to see us play it live.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got quite a number of songs, traditional sublime fashion.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't like to waste space on that little cassette tape.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like a lot of tape all wound up in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we want to use it all because it's better for the planet that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, what do you say that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm going to be seeing you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bottle rock.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm excited about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw you last year at Coachella, which was so much fun to see you guys and to see Bradley Sun, who's now fronting the band.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: How is it working with Jacob?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's, it's a real trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: It truly has a gift, you know, I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: watching our nephew grow up, you know, musically spiritually, you know, in every way, it's just a real treat to be able to be a part of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake's really kicking, kicking butt, you know, he's got his castle thing going, and the record label, son Burke here, and him and Jane are just really kicking butt out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like I said, it truly is a gift, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just the bonds that we have right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so reminiscent of back in the early days.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we are all just just a bunch of, you know, freaks just running around doing whatever they always wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so it's kind of like that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's got to be so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what you're one of
[SPEAKER_00]: of drummers who have been featured on my podcast, I've had Nick Mason of Pink Floyd, which was a lot of which was very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stuart Copeland from the police.
[SPEAKER_00]: And who's the better golfer?
[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of like play hide and seek, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hear you.
[SPEAKER_00]: My friends don't want to play golf at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I've got to put that aside.
[SPEAKER_00]: But listen, today we're going to dig into the wrong way and you have so many great songs, you know, Santa Maria, what I got and the list is on and on, which is pretty amazing because you had studio albums.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's why like this is going to be so special to have a new album come out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But before we dig into the song itself wrong way from your third album, which was the album that was released in nineteen ninety seven and it was released tragically after Bradley passed away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll talk about that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But first, I want to understand your musical journey, but in how you and the band came together, how that formation was down in the Long Beach scene in Southern California.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, really easy actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I came from a broken home and would live with one parent for a year and another parent for a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: My dad moved into a house in Long Beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got my store and it was right across the alley from Eric and so I met Eric when I was like eleven years old and we essentially became friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: his dad as a jazz musician, playing drums, did his tour of duty in World War II with the USO band.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was out there, a Coast Guard band playing USO shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's out there with like Bob open, Betty Grable, entertaining the soldiers, you know, he just told me he's like musician, it's a wonderful life.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I never had to pick up a rifle, except for him in basic trading, you know, did my whole tour of playing shows, you know, it's a great life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: He put the bug in my head, you know, from a young age.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of a secret that most people don't know about the band, is Eric and I were both trained by the same jazz musician.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, that's where we kind of get that lock, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And your individual style, because your style is, you know, your style is your own.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, really make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's really such an integral to the sublime sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you guys had that kind of training and then how did the rust happen where you met Bradley and you came together and form the band?
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of Eric's fault in that sense because
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every other year, you know, I was I was taking off and looking with my mom so I reckon I would have a band while I was there at my dad's house.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when I would leave, he would find another drummer or another group of guys jam with.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when I would come back, we would either start up our old band again or jam with these new guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just so happened that one of those new guys turned out to be Brad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how I met Brad, Eric had met him through, you know, friends in Long Beach and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how we all came together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how long did it take when you first got together and you first met Bradley because you and Eric have known each other for a long time, but how long did it take before you actually said, okay guys, we're doing a band.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like jammed with Brad one time and he was still in school up at UC Santa Cruz.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he came back for spring break.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think had like a week or two off and
[SPEAKER_02]: We went into his dad's garage and just started playing music and Brad showed a state rape kid wrote that out at UC Santa Cruz and that was one of the first songs we worked on.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we had had arranged and regrow like five or six songs that week.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like one song every day that we were producing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at that point it was just like, yeah, this is going to, when you come back to school, when summer can't get here, quick enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should just quit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did he quit?
[SPEAKER_02]: He eventually did.
[SPEAKER_02]: He moved from Santa Cruz to and changed the Long Beach to Cal State Long Beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there was some
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, switching a credits and stuff from the UC to the CSU.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't know exactly all the politics involved in that, but there was something he had some classes didn't transfer over so well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so we ended up kidnapping him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did matter whether they transferred because it sounds like you guys started jamming.
[SPEAKER_00]: You felt the magic right away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you already had date rate,
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you were writing a song a day essentially.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys already knew you had something special.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounded like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was at that time that you kind of said to each other, okay, let's really do this together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that kind of how it happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there like that?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: We always knew like from the jump.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, we're the world's greatest fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we just have to convince everybody else of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then how did you guys come up with the name?
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was, we had like tossed around, but we're sitting there drinking pairs, you know, smoking a joke in having a good time, you know, throwing names out and nothing was really sticking, you know, all the usual suspects and
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Brad's girlfriend at the time, she came over with like a dissaurus and a dictionary and was like flipping through it and she was like, what about this one?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, wait a minute, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: What does that mean, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that actually fits.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for you guys listening out there or watching out there, remember, this was pre-internet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like you could just go, you know, say, give me.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you couldn't chat GPT it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't say, give me fifty, give me fifty songs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it's before we get in song, just because it's so much of your lore, having Lou dog, Bradley's dog Lou, was he already in the scene at that time, like for the very beginning with you guys, because for everybody out there, if you listen to the songs, you'll hear Lou dog, like Lou dog in the van, that's one of the lyrics, but he was wandering on stage from what I understand, back in the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so he came he came on after after forty ounce right about robbing the hood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, time.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was with a friend of ours.
[SPEAKER_02]: He adopted this dog and he was a two kind to the Lou and so Brad instead of beating this guy up, Brad just stole his dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he did the right thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand there's a couple stories from the warp tour, which is one of the first tours to Iraq, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Lou just, he loves skaters.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just loves him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He loves the way they taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: He loves the scaram.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really loves to bite him.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's the wheels.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't like the way that they go around and around.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was your big break as a fan?
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are young guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have your growing following like a hard core and it's very organic, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very organic growth where you guys just playing playing local bars and all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what was it that if there was a moment that kind of changed things?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really hard back then for us to get gigs.
[SPEAKER_02]: in L.A.
[SPEAKER_02]: especially we were doing this thing solo you know we were the only band doing this kind of music and so promoters should be like how the hell do I put these guys on a lineup you know they're they're punk rock but they're not they're not you know hair metal you know how do we put how do we fit them in you know and the scene in Hollywood was way different back then than what we were doing so
[SPEAKER_02]: We just decided we got a maximum rock and roll book your own effing life and have a list of promoters and club owners and we just started calling and weren't really getting any luck you know and then I think it was Miguel had the idea he was like you know we need our own label and so all of a sudden we
[SPEAKER_02]: We started putting scone records on all the disks that we were stamping out and cassette.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then when he's calling, he's like, yeah, yeah, this is Miguel with skunk records.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we got one of our fans coming through town, you know, I'm sure you heard of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the blind skunk recording artist, you know, and you guys are like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we can do this, you know, and and so that kind of kicked the door up in a little bit and we put the tour, you know, across the south, we put the tour up the west coast.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we were in, I specifically remember we were in Portland, and Meg's was advancing the showers for Vancouver, because we were going up to BC.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said to the guy, I call him me back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I keep on him, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably just busy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just keep on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't never hurt anything back and we had a couple shows both are going to go up to Seattle and the Vancouver play a couple shows up there and then work our way back down.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at this point, we're barely making enough gas money to keep the van going from show to show.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're crashing on people's floors, stealing food out of the refrigerator just to stay somewhat healthy and saving a buck here and there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the promoter, he got busted for underage drinking.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got up to Vancouver and there was like yellow tape across the door and you know, the sign from the alcohol board saying, this establishment's done.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're like, fuck, what do we do?
[SPEAKER_02]: She got like a week before we have returned shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna, we're gonna starve up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're stuck in Seattle now, you know, and we met this guy, Wardo,
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: He ended up becoming my drum tech for a while, but Wardo was like, all right, well, after parties coverage in here, we're going to play over there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just like kind of took over and started making backyard parties up and every and the surrounding area has around Seattle, you know, and we just play somebody's house party that summer, you know, make a few bucks get some bearded drink.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and we kind of made a home base out of this guy's pad up in Everett and and so that's why we have such a thick following up in Seattle.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Seattle, the San Diego thing, the West Coast was just locked in.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was kind of like our launching pad, I'd have to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And was there a
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there anything that kind of triggered it where you went from that, what you were talking about, where you're playing backyards and you're playing some bars?
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, I love that story where you had your buddy who was skunk records and, you know, that's so rock and roll man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, you make stuff happen and just this kind of creative way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, from going to those kind of, yeah, for those kind of little gigs to playing for beer and all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it just a slow growth to getting it on K-rock and then kind of blowing it wide open or did somebody hear you and embrace it and then like start spinning your music on K-rock, which by the way, so we were listening, K-rock was like the influential indie radio station in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_02]: to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we love K-rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been so nice to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just had a lot of fun with those guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back in the days, we would do like love line and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they had really cool shows like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We would go up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we had sent like CDs and cassettes to Jed de Fish and Rodney, I'm a rock, you know, and trying to get like on one of the local lakes kind of shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think Jed played us one time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was like, hey, here, check out this band's mom beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but we never got any steady rotation until, until after the work tour, Kevin Lyman, he saw, so he was like, yeah, these guys are great, you know, and talk Paltoy into, into,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, putting us on the warp tour, the very first fans warp tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: And right around then we were signing our first major record deal with gasoline alley.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a universal indie label.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, it was like magic as soon as the ink dried on the contract, we were in regular rotation on K-rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm sure there's probably a back story to that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really pale.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't because it was a record label owned by Universal that put us on the radio.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: For those of you who are listening, you got to start watching this because it's a classic moment too from bud.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had in front of the screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Big label, but the music was, as you were saying, like this is, it was a very different sound at that time, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was hitting the airways.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you mentioned a couple of names again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to point it out for people out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Kevin Lyman, I think he was the program manager over at K Rock.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Paul Tullett, he ultimately started Coachella among other things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like these are legendary names and they got behind you because they heard the sound and they loved the song.
[SPEAKER_00]: They knew there was something there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah Kevin, you know, some promoter from way back and go to the voice, you know, early day, seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: Paul and then he started to work to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And put us on and then regret it halfway through.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can only imagine like the guys who were up and ever it and in the backyard listen to you guys and then seeing what.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ultimately happened and how your music broke out and continues.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get in the wrong way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So first of all, of all the different songs because you have so many classic songs and wrong ways of great one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious why that was the song that you wanted to dig into.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it doesn't it doesn't really get a lot of a lot of play.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody, you know, here's some talks about, you know, Santa Rea or what I got, you know, those are like the
[SPEAKER_02]: the more common or date rape, you know, popular topics in the US.
[SPEAKER_02]: But wrong way really was a cool song and had a cool start, you know, I mean, we didn't have anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just like sitting around drinking, we're in, we're in an awesome Texas or just outside of Peternaus at Willie Nelson's studios there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a really bitch and set up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like an old
[SPEAKER_02]: golf club and so he took the golf club and turned that into the studio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clubhouse was overlooking Lake Travis and it was real awesome set up just like kind of out in the middle of this this bitch and golf course and had a bunch of houses around there and I guess the whole Willie Nelson touring family kind of lived out there and so it was it was a really neat, really neat, you know isolation kind of our first like real
[SPEAKER_02]: big time studio thing and we're out there what the hell do we got to do you know and so we're sitting around drinking beer talking about this next song idea and Brad is like I got this idea I want to do something but the idea is you're doing things the wrong way you know so we're sitting there spit following throw an idea is back and forth just let yuck in it up having a good time you know and and uh you know wake up the next morning with the hangover
[SPEAKER_02]: Proud down to the studio.
[SPEAKER_02]: And get in there and cut wrong way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was like holy crap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is all the shit we were talking about last night.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: So was it the was it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember the first like Colonel of the song?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it the was it the lyric first or was it
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you already have something going on the music side?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you've found some of those lyrics based on your beard drinking and hanging out that you had.
[SPEAKER_02]: We kind of had like a chord progression and a scoffee.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bring the idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: We wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: We just didn't have the lyrics and the melody yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then after that night, you know, Brad was was a real magician, you know, even
[SPEAKER_02]: All of our songs were, you know, about us.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was all about us or our cast of characters in our close friendship, you know, OV and Eno and all these, you know, song show and all these people, you know, it was our group, Jack Mannes and, and so all the songs
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Brad would put them lyrically and poetically into these songs like it was happening to him or through him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it was because it was all of us and the things that we would do, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, through a bottle at the bouncer didn't think he was cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is someone's drinking through a bike into the pool.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, all that stuff happened not on the same night, usually, but all these things happened and Brad just had a way with, you know, putting him to paper and making this stuff come to life, you know, and and so he went to bed that night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Had a melody in his head, got up the next morning.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still scribbling down, you know, as we're getting ready to cut this track.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, all right, here it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then we get to that part, you know, so we we track it, we do the basic tracks, you know, and it was like two takes bam right on and Paul Larry guitar player for a bottle of surface he was a he was our engineer or our producer Stuart was the engineer the Paul was the producer and he was like.
[SPEAKER_02]: That first take man, you guys killed it on that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then we're thinking, oh, we need a horn for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's Paul was like, I got, I got the guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's just guy in town.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is just a greasy horn player.
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy, he's so rude.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you got to, you're going to dig him.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, his, his, he's just plays the hell out of the horn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Total virtuoso, like street musician just ripping it up, you know, one of those guys you can just sit there and just play for days.
[SPEAKER_02]: So John Blondell, we get him down to the studio and he was kind of like this anti-capitalist, you know, I'm, I'm just, you know, starving artist kind of,
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, he comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: But bad, bad, bad, bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just fucking killed it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so Paul's like, he's like, okay, well, here, you know, we need your social security number.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna have to sign off on this all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would fit him at legal stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, oh, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, he got to take something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: That watch is pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Paul's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: You came around like, you know, a year or so later, uh, Universal was like, we can't have this guy just getting paid a watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be legit, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chats on down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's classic, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like, so many things there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's on wrong way.
[SPEAKER_00]: You only did two takes of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's in that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy and it sounds like you would never played with the trombone player before you just have bringing a horn and then this haven't and so you had a jazz background and
[SPEAKER_00]: like that comes into play and that kind of stuff if you're doing two takes on a song like this and you bring in another artist who you haven't really played with before and you're able to be that tight like how does that even happen because I can't even imagine that well you know this I mean this is like the first type of digital media when we were recording back then I was still two inch tape that was digital tape but you still I mean you had to play it
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it wasn't like pro tools where you're just like, okay, well, we can cut that there and just loop it over.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you have to use a razor blade slice tape.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so it was, uh, it was, you know, you had to play your part.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of interesting that you all felt that we got to bring a horn in here because the horn is also just such a signature part of that song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's pretty well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that story of the watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, again, that's so classic the blind.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's what, so what's so beautiful about your music is that it's so authentic to life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you mentioned, I had no idea, and I'm a big sublime pair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea in that song that when you say, when he sings Sancho, you know what that was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I know, now we all know that was just one of the buddies that you guys hung out with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sanchez, like a character too, so also in the song talking about the guy who comes in, it steals your chick while you're doing time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're all there, hold up in the giant, and Sanchez comes and starts talking to your lady.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me help you with your groceries.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it sounds like your process was kind of what you were talking about, where are you guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: you're writing process like you hung out and ideas came to you and you'd be jamming and then he'd have some lyrics and he was really good at like the lyrics and but it was a lot of jamming and the tunes kind of came up from that right together like you guys collectively just knew each other and knew how to play with each other and right so it was joy yes
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, a lot of the stuff we would write ideas on the stage, you know, just jam and out improv and you know, so early on we learned it's it's cheaper just to press play and record whenever we're performing because, you know, you lose those those magical moments when you don't
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, no, we kind of, you know, followed grateful dad a little bit, love their open taping policy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, this is this is perfect, you know, anybody has a good good quality, you know, Jake can.
[SPEAKER_02]: in, you know, help us out here, bring, bring some things to life.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of how we did the, the memories, CD live at the trust and tavern or five dollars at the door for good, but we eventually ended up calling it, but yeah, that was, that was a board tape from, from a show up in every, actually in Washington.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's clever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the songs are in the can, you know, you've, you've recorded them for album number three and
[SPEAKER_00]: When you had it, how did you feel about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know there was something special there?
[SPEAKER_02]: Compare walking on edge of the earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was it was a cliffhanger.
[SPEAKER_02]: We could not wait for this album to come out.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I had a
[SPEAKER_02]: seventy five k five blazer for wild drive truck you know the whole roof comes off big old kicker speakers and app in it and cruise up and down second street and Belmont shores and Main Street and PCH and Huntington and and just just blasting on music you know people were like right on yeah you know yeah we could not wait we knew this is like this is like dynamite man this is dangerous
[SPEAKER_02]: dangerously delicious.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we could not wait to share it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really exciting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so then the tragedy happens before you have a chance to really share it and release the album.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how do you go from what you were just talking about where you're driving around and and it's you've got something you know is just lightning in a bottle to that happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what you do, because the album, just give us a little bit of just your mindset at the time and how you even go about putting one foot forward after what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we are all devastated.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, here we are on this magic carpet ride.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just sailing, you know, and we're a thirty one thousand feet and somebody rips the carpet out from underneath us.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was just a free fall.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, not a soft landing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could tell you that, you know, it was devastating to all of us, you know, emotionally physically every which way, you know, and we're all young, you know, pre-thirties and, you know, never really prepared ourselves for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We always kind of thought, you know, in the back of our mind, this is probably going to happen someday, but you never
[SPEAKER_02]: You never prepare yourself for the reality.
[SPEAKER_02]: The final.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so a lot of a lot of grieving the wrong way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, we, we got hit up immediately by the record label.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were like, okay, we've got to find a replacement for Brett.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Eric and I are like, whoa, hey, this ain't happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: This ain't happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we just took our time on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We waited an extra month to release the album, changed the title of the album.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of the artwork got moved around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then released it on a delayed schedule.
[SPEAKER_02]: And K Rock, once again, was very integral.
[SPEAKER_02]: and helping us with this release, you know, putting you know, posthumously and, and, you know, I mean, it just went like gangbusters, you know, me and everybody was like, oh my God, these songs are awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, I haven't found an album out there that has so many cool songs, you know, back to back, like you can listen to it all the way through.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not one stinker on the album.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's been a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Eric and I, we waited a couple of years, you know, we had to deal with the record label and put their, their, once in desires to bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: We ended up just reaching out to our friends and, and street family, you know, Opie and Marshall Goodman, Miguel, Jack Manis, you know, and we put together Long Beach stuff all stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was in ninety eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Brad passed in ninety six.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two years later, we're going out and we're playing, you know, songs that are similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: We decided to play a couple of, uh, sublime songs in our live set that we never got to play live for people before to just kind of pay homage to, to the sublime sound and keep the keep the love going.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we wrote two albums with that, you know, and, uh,
[SPEAKER_02]: It just, it wasn't exactly the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, there was a lot of love from our brothers and, you know, the music is great and the double stars got a great thing going still today, you know, but it just wasn't sublime.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I've been searching, Eric and I have both been searching for that feeling, you know, forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I got to say, I really truly haven't had that true excitement that we had, you know, leaving the studio on that self-titled album.
[SPEAKER_02]: That has been a feeling that was like, this is obviously one of those once in a lifetime things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, don't say never because it's happening again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I am so excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't wait for everybody to hear these new songs that we got.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be
[SPEAKER_02]: I think everybody's going to be really, really happy with what we're putting together here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the kitchen, he's going to eat it all before it comes back to the table.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but first of all, that's thanks for sharing all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very, very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but you were talking about the magic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was the process for writing these songs and recording these songs different or similar to the way it was when you were doing this blind songs with Bradley?
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit of both, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I got, I got down here a couple months back and had some time
[SPEAKER_02]: in between shows so Jacob and I went into the studio and he kind of showed me a couple ideas that he had and I laid down some drum tracks and and then he kind of built off of that you know and and then came back to us with a couple more little polished demos and so Eric and I
[SPEAKER_02]: get together now in the studio with Jake.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we start going through some of these ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so Jacob Scott definitely has his dad just flowing through his veins.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so his writing style and techniques are very similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's taking reality and putting it
[SPEAKER_02]: to paper and pen and so you know you get that same vibe and then Eric and I get into the studio and start you know putting the finishing touches on things you know a little rearrangement here you know let's let's put this part there make this part longer whatever it is you know but we're we're you know doing our little tweaks
[SPEAKER_02]: on the arrangements and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it's got to have that signature sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's very, very kind of similar in that sense where we're creating it like on the spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then also with Jake coming in with some other ideas, you know, and then also working it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So very similar and very different at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be a trip playing with
[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob, it's got to be, it's got to be like a wild thing you said that he's, you know, they got a similar, he and his dad have such a similar vibe, right, a similar sensibility to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, so he's got, you know, he's definitely got some of his dad's mannerisms, you know, and collections in his voice and stuff, sometimes it's just like, because your eyes and it's like, and sounds so much like Brad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: So Brad had this really really sweet voice really polished kind of sound early on and Jacob's voice kind of reminds me of a younger Brad and you know over time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, whether it be, you know, performing on stage or, you know, cigarettes and alcohol, Brad, develops more of a gutter, or kind of gravely voice and, you know, uses that to kind of put his feelings into, you know, so you feel the meeting behind the lyrics, you know, and, and so Jake's like starting to get that, that part too, you know, and it's just, like I said, it's really cool like watching him develop.
[SPEAKER_02]: as an artist and you know grow up as a man and stuff you know I mean it's like you know I don't think I ever grew up so it's like this is I'm just a mystery to me it's like how do you do this stuff you're gonna watch water gonna sunlight well it's gotta be fun to go on stage together and
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Coachella was so magical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was so cool to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's great about sublime music is that it's really timeless.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's sometimes you have euros in music in rock and roll that sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's almost like nostalgic going back because the sound was for that time and the thing about sublime music is that it is kind of timeless like for for all these eras that we're talking about and so like that album is now almost thirty years old which is insane but you still see all the time young kids are wearing sublime t-shirts even before like learning that there's going to be new music coming out you know and
[SPEAKER_00]: And you got and you guys like it's got to be wildbud where wherever you go you see the blind t-shirts that merges everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah it is it is in the music is too you know you can be stop to go pump your gas gas station and it's right there on the gas you know gas station.
[SPEAKER_00]: of an out of the speakers or knowing your shop and it target or wherever you shop and what a trip what a trip okay so I want to I want to get into a couple of rapid fire questions for you and what bigger small what is your is there a particular memory to you
[SPEAKER_00]: from a musical experience standpoint that like sticks out in your mind like that was really special like you you're catching yourself and go wow man like that's amazing is there anything that sticks out in that kind of way for you well definitely new handled you know you brought up Coachella and you know that was like our first real show
[SPEAKER_02]: with Jacob.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we did the benefit show for HR in December, you know, before, and then we come out to do Coachella.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I, Eric and I are used to play in for bigger crowds and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've been around the block a few times.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so for us, it's like second nature, you know, the more people, the more emotion, you know, and so it's like we dive right in and feed off of that shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it was, it was,
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so much fun to watch Jake and see his reaction to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as like, oh, man, is he going to crumble?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this going to be too much for him?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He dove in head first and just started swimming.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he was just riding the wave.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, it's a lot of emotion.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we always play out the crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it was really, really cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was one of these, these really, really good feelings.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then like, oh, I mean, first work tour, we're up in North Tunnel, on the New York, up by Buffalo.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it had rained the night before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the field that we were playing in was just mudding.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so there's a big muddy mosh pit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And people are running around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And somebody threw like a dirt claw, mudball, grassy mudball up on stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eric like kicked it off of the stage and hit somebody in the head.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they picked up mud and started throwing it at the band and mud's just flying everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like all over Brad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was all over my drums.
[SPEAKER_02]: It stuck on an Eric's base.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like he couldn't even play guitar anymore because it was deadening the strings and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like there's so many like really cool things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, yeah, this is this is unforgettable.
[SPEAKER_02]: You never forget that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't get that in real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that, again, that is so sublime because it sounds like you enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you guys embraced it on stage where that was happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, virtually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some people might get mad, you know, they have so much money on this damn guitar.
[SPEAKER_02]: So many, so much fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, but what do you, what do you listen?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what do you listen to?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's on your playlist these days?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have a very eclectic taste, you know, I'm all over the place.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been really digging the scans.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, but I listen to like all kinds of stuff, you know, old punk rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dub, you know, listen to a lot of Matt scientists, Matt professor, depth scientist.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just good music.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, very cool, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, I'm really looking forward to seeing you later this year on tour, at least at Bottle Rock because I'm definitely going to Bottle Rock.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, that's going to be exciting.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's such a great place to go to to hear music too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And can't wait for the new music that comes out.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I understand, the first single is going to be coming out in the early summer sometime and then the album after that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to have something for summertime ready to go to serenade everybody through these hot days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a blime is summertime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's summertime or not, it's a blime is summertime.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, get your toes in the sand and beers in your hand because we're coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: But God, thank you so much for joining us in the great bands of wine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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