[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, and welcome to future projections.
[SPEAKER_01]: This episode of one thirty three of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a baseball America podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Carlos Classo joined by Ben Badler.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on, Ben?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you know what's going on, Carlos.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great week with a draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: How was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: How was it being there alive in Atlanta?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great to finally see it happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the environment on our side set for the actual draft was a lot of fun because we had just a lot of like fans walking by and like
[SPEAKER_01]: asking us about the draft or just chatting so that was like a cool spot to be in the middle of the battery where we were set up for the during the show they had people just like near you talking to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I mean they weren't actually talking to us in the middle of the draft but especially when we weren't live like there would be people that would like take pictures and stuff and like
[SPEAKER_01]: there's some nationals fans who walked by and they were like waving like they clearly recognize either me or jam or lander Melanie who's on the side said and for one of them was like oh do you guys want number one and they were like even holiday I was like oh I was like they're like we'll take can't understand I was like oh they're like just not Eli Willis and I was like oh gosh
[SPEAKER_01]: this is before I think it was when we were doing the pre-jaf show and there were starting to be more rumblings of of Eli Willis potentially but no we were in I think this were the bravely they're pre-imposed game shows they've got a little set out just kind of in the middle of the battery by all the restaurants and all the stuff so people can kind of walk by right near where we were at and then for rounds two and three me and Jim went into the main
[SPEAKER_01]: the main desk to do those inside the Roxy Theater, where they had it, which when we went in, there were like no people there, but I guess that had a bunch of people inside the actual studio for the first round.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought it was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a fun draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: How was it from your POV?
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've doing our live analysis of the picks as they come in for the first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, for the first round, and then through where the Met's Yankees and Dodgers picked the thirty-eight to
[SPEAKER_02]: Forty.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, I'm basically every team's first pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I'm listening to the draft, but I'm not really closely focusing on watching it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I see some of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I thought obviously this stuff that you know, you and Jim and Jonathan Brang is really strong and alliance too because you guys really obviously do this full time for diving into the draftics Tony Vee is entertaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who did he come up?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Andrew Fisher to Vinnie Chase.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I had some of my comments are crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, to come to a fictitious character is enjoyable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we only had, I think it was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: like five minutes into the show where a Corey Seagre comp was dropped and I really just want to retire the Corey Seagre comp in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's it's almost become the most useless comp now because all it means is your tall your left hand and you play short stuff currently like that's all the comp means you can you can drop that one when somebody drafts Tyler Spay or you know let's please not hear that comp okay
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did want to address though, like there's been I guess it's just like we're in silly season for narratives and storylines now and one of the things that I've noticed coming out of the draft is
[SPEAKER_01]: People talking about the lack of players in attendance at the draft this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you didn't notice, there weren't no players in attendance this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounded like there were a few who had reached out when Emma will be network is trying to find out who's actually coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because it was only a couple guys that actually expressed some interest, they were just like, don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want to have just like one or two here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to have anyone this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now,
[SPEAKER_01]: This has become some indictment on the draft and I just cannot express how strongly I do not care if players actually come to the draft at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that it makes for any of it worse product.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it is an indictment on the draft itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are very logical, rational reasons why
[SPEAKER_01]: players wouldn't want to actually be at the draft on draft day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense from the agency side as to why you would advise your players not to go to the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think
[SPEAKER_01]: At least from my POV and I understand that I maybe get like a different sort of feedback on the broadcast and then maybe other people do, but I have never once heard people saying, you know what the draft broadcast really needs, we need more player interviews in person at the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I always think there are always a little bit awkward, a little bit uncomfortable to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like sometimes you'll will get really
[SPEAKER_01]: entertaining players like Chase Petty I feel like I remember him having a really good interview who's just fun to see but like a lot of the time there's just these like really quick kind of odd interviews for all these players who are there in their suits and I actually think
[SPEAKER_01]: We are able to see the players celebrate draft day with all the remote setups that all the top players have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like seeing Tyler Bremner celebrate getting picked second overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw that happen in real time and it was a really cool moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it's any less exciting to see them celebrate that with their friends and family at home and a controlled environment where they can take all these phone calls that I'm sure happening in the lead up to the draft and while the draft is happening,
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it really feels like to me, this is only something that the networks themselves and people associated with the networks and the broadcast care about.
[SPEAKER_01]: But please tell me if I'm wrong, if you think that there are people who want more in-person player interviews at the draft, or you think it adds to the broadcast in some way, because for me, this is the biggest non-story in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even really notice, and again,
[SPEAKER_02]: have a different perspective on it because I'm writing furiously during the drive and trying to collect my thoughts and analyze the first rounds in real time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I even really noticed that the player that there were no players there except that I think JJ had mentioned before.
[SPEAKER_02]: The draft that there were no players there, which did surprise me, but during the broadcast,
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't, I was like, oh, this is really lacking players in person there.
[SPEAKER_02]: The player interviews, you see them all.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not not hearing from the players.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all getting interviewed after they get some of them more articulate than others.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seth Hernandez definitely stood out for just being a very polished speaker.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess his polish and everything he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I like seeing the players celebrating at home.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't care where they are, but I like seeing them celebrating with their friends and their family, which you can't really get.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you're going to do like this, Seth Hernandez going to take his whole family and all his friends from California and fly out to Atlanta, like logistically, it's easier just to have everybody at home.
[SPEAKER_02]: in one spot and you get to see that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think you said there were players who wanted to be there and MLB said don't come.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how it was phrased.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they said don't come, but they invited a couple and only a few.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they said, hey, we only got such and I don't know the specific details.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just know that
[SPEAKER_01]: They only had a couple people say they wanted to show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they might have said, hey, you're going to be like one of the only players.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have no idea in terms of details.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if the players heard that and then said, well, we don't want to show up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then OK, that's one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine MLB said, no, you absolutely can't come.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they were like, oh, we really want to come.
[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine they would have let this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if they did say like, hey, there's no reason for me to think they told them don't you can't come like there's no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, if they did, I think that would be right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would not be on board with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if a player wants to show up, he should show up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the draft, but if they don't, yeah, I don't know, it doesn't, I don't know that it doesn't feel like it ever adds anything to the broadcast for me to see a player.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what up there shaken hands with rock man in the jersey.
[SPEAKER_02]: People want to see more of rock man for it is that is that anybody's complaint.
[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot possibly tell you what the judge's location is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know if they find a way to get more players there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fine, but I don't view it as a huge loss or any loss really to not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have them.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it also, I don't know if this is a factor at all for you, but it keeps the pace pretty good when their players in house get drafted.
[SPEAKER_01]: The draft basically comes to a halt so we can do all the in-person things, which makes sense if they're there to want to give them their time if they do show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I have to imagine the pace is quite a bit better this year in the first round because we didn't stop at all for that stuff, just their remote interviews.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did feel like the pace was good this year again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like the only reason I know about that is because like when we're doing the actual broadcast we're like all right and if a player is picked we get X amount of time where the draft is paused so like I'm just kind of aware of the logistics and the background going on and we didn't have any of that this year so the remote interviews are much easier to get in and out of without slowing the draft down.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least I believe that's a case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, with other sports, is that I don't really follow other sports, but I take a what NBA NFL.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the biggest layer there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard the NHL draft is more similar to baseball draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't speak to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can speak more to the NFL in the NBA.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think the biggest thing is all the players in those drafts are signing.
[SPEAKER_01]: like you don't have the high school players are there and involved in the draft, but you don't know if they're going to sign like the whole sign ability element of baseball's draft is just so much more different than the NFL and the NBA.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the college players like Liam Doyle and Jamie Arnold and Tyler, but like those guys all know they're they're going to sign.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more you know Eli Will, it's Ethan Holiday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll just see the side of our nature.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretends that like he's not
[SPEAKER_01]: You might not, so yeah, there are players in every draft that you know are definitely going to sign and they're going to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think the soft slot in nature of baseball straft, the eligibility of baseball straft compared to the NBA in the NFL just makes it different to a degree that it makes sense to not show up for the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that is certainly factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're showing up at the draft in agents think that you being there is going to lose you leverage and therefore money,
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes all the sense in the world for them to advise you not to go there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their job is to get you the best deal they possibly can.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they think you you showing up at the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've literally heard this from the mouth of college coaches like, Hey, oh, my guy's going to the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess he doesn't want to come to college.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, you can probably get a pretty good read on which of the high school players want to go to school and want to sign, but that is the factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we can't just ignore it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it just makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are just a lot of reasons why it makes sense for
[SPEAKER_01]: The players wouldn't want to show up to the draft and I'm not at all bothered by it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if we've got videos of the players, we can talk about the players.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can see them actually celebrate.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have technology for a reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a wonderful thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into the actual players.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think today we're planning to go team by team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, talk about the picks, talk about the draft, talk about the classes for all these players.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unless there's anything else you want to mention before we get into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we can just jump off with the nationals.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so what did you think of the nationals draft in Eli will it's first overall?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, apparently this is being described as a stunder throughout the industry, which I got to say kind of annoys me because I feel like for multiple months now, every time we've had a mock draft, we've mentioned Eli will it's his name.
[SPEAKER_01]: He ranks number three on our draft board.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Ethan Holiday, Seth Hernandez, Eli will it's on our board?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just feels like, I don't know, people don't read the mock draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish they actually would.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get a lot of information on what seems might be doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it makes a sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we had talked before, like if we were picking hitters in this class, I think both Peter and myself said that Eli Willis would be the pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called a sea draft history, the youngest ever, one-one player selected.
[SPEAKER_01]: We knew that we had a chance for that to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it actually does now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like Eli is really excited to try and get to the majors as quickly as he can and with the age that he has is a chance to get there at a pretty young age.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's a really well-rounded game.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does feel like the nationals are targeting players with contact skills, maybe more than they have in the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't signed, but they drafted Eli, well, it's first overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: They took Ethan Petrie in the second round, who's a fairly bat forward college profile, kind of similar to like a Tommy Waiter, Devontailer sort of profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Koy James was the big pick for them in the fifth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: A player, we ranked top fifty on the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of similar flavor of profile as Eli Willett's, not quite as athletic, and I don't think the secondary tools are quite as loud, but it is very much a hit first solid power, not huge power.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fairly bullish on Koi.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I probably like Koi more than most people on staff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, this was a player who, if he went in the twenties on draft day, I would not have been surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then between those hitters, you got late in a harman and Miguel C. May Jr., who were big upside plays on
[SPEAKER_01]: right handed pictures with huge on talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the first five picks of this draft is a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was not surprised that they took Eli Willett's and I said on our ultimate draft preview show that I thought that the nationals firing Mike Rizzo meant that Eli Willett should be feeling a lot better about his directors of knowing number one overall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You said that and we also decreased our odds for Hernandez and increased our odds for Eli Willets in the wake of that news.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I think that's why the nationals fired Mike Rizzo before the draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got fired for other reasons, but the reason you do it
[SPEAKER_02]: before the draft is because the group that's there right now wanted to draft Eli will it's they knew that's who they wanted.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as long as Mike Rizzo is the GM it's his call on who they're going to take.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, unless ownership wants to overrule the GM who's, you know, background is in scouting for, you know, many, many years, but at that point like, okay, if you're going to do that, then the writing is already on the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time to move on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as soon as they fired Rizzo,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they knew they were going to take willets.
[SPEAKER_02]: They might have said to agents and other people, we're still sorting through five guys, eight guys, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they knew, I think they knew exactly who they wanted to take and they were just saying that to create leverage to get Eli Willets at the lowest possible bonus.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could get him at, not because they're cheap, but because they could then reallocate
[SPEAKER_02]: their bonus pool savings toward other lawyers later in the draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll just find that's just them doing their job.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not surprised because if you prioritize youth, if you prioritize batteball skills playing in the middle of the field, you're going to prefer Eli Willitz to Ethan Holiday.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's no premium college hitters available that if you at twenty nine other teams, ask them, okay, you have the number one overall picker, you're going to take
[SPEAKER_02]: or who's the best player on your board, at least, I don't think any of them would have a college hitter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number one, maybe somebody would, but probably not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this group is not taken Seth Hernandez, one one, and especially now they have a new GM in place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, he's just starting.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not going to be afraid to take a longer term play like an Eli well, it's as a high school shortstop compared to a college arm like a K to Anderson or
[SPEAKER_02]: William Doyle, Tyler Brenner, who's going to be faster to the major league.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing about them taking Eli will.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's is all that surprising.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying he's the guy I would have necessarily taken, but like you said.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's number three on our board.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like they went and took somebody who's number fourteen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's worth it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's worth it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's worth reinforcing too that this year we have said for so long now that this class is very muddled at the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no clear separation.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no obvious player.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that this year to have the number one overall pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can make very defensive cases for a number of players here and it just works for money people that like a single player ranked eight versus one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't indicate as much of a gap in talent this year as maybe is it would in another class.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's.
[SPEAKER_01]: it just seems like it's very easy to get locked in on those numbers as we get closer and closer to the draft and just have a lot more confidence in the separation of those players than I do who's making the list and the teams themselves do who talks me all the time about how close everyone is like the draft is supposed to be an exercise and humility and I think a lot of times people can get overly confident and just like the numbers attached to players before the draft but we should know based on how every draft before this has panned out
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the hit rate of these guys going in the order their pick is not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we should just keep an open mind in terms of like the our ability to separate talent and our ability to accurately project talent based while draft is very difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, Eli will it's perfectly defensible one one choice for me makes a lot of sense with the direction they seemingly are headed on on that side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you think of their draft as a whole?
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, first, first five picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Petri seemed like perfectly solid value at at forty nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Petri is not my cup of tea as it's just a profile in general because I question the athleticism a bit, but at forty nine, I think that makes sense on value for us, both land and harmony and Miguel C major.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're good values at eighty in one eleven.
[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine they're going to be over pay guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same with Quay James at one forty two.
[SPEAKER_01]: We ranked all those guys at better spots somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were picked.
[SPEAKER_01]: the nationals have already signed their seniors in the sixth to ten round range for think fifty thousand ten thousand and then five thousand dollars respectively were the bonuses for that group so they're creating a lot of savings imagine Eli will this is going to be under slot at one to help pay for the harm and see McCoy James trio I like the class for them yeah I thought it was fine I mean
[SPEAKER_02]: For having the number one overall pick and all the bonus pool advantages that come with it, we should like your draft, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So you should have to have to great a little bit on a curve.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they came in with like some huge haul by any means.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like land in Harman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like coy james, a long time fan of coy james since he was an underclassman, CMA, you know, big fastball, a lot of effort to the operation, control questions, secondary question,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, start a reliever, you know, similar to like a harley in Susana, who we've talked about the upside and all the risk with M. too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you like harley in Susana and your nationals fan, you're going to like Miguel C. May.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they, it's a different body.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different sort of effort into delivery, but like in terms of present stuff, it's not all that different than Travis Cicora, like really hard throwing pitcher who needs some more development with the secondaries.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's more.
[SPEAKER_02]: but thanks to Clara's secondaries or more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, I think, secure at better secondary and better pitchability than, then, see.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with the pitchability.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think, like, I was kind of impressed with CMA's curveball when I saw it this spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was better than I expected it to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I'll be curious how that pitch develops moving forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do have real questions about a third pitch for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like the body and just how he moves on the mount to core, I like the body and how he moves on the mount.
[SPEAKER_01]: And see me right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about the angels at number two, taken, taken Tyler Bremner?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that a surprise?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that a reach for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think of them taking Bremner?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we knew they were going to go college guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think that was a surprise.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I mean, we heard
[SPEAKER_01]: I laid it out as I thought Kate Anderson and Liam Doyle were the favorites.
[SPEAKER_01]: I expected Liam Doyle to be the favorites we picked here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we had said over and over again, we're hearing a lot of college arms.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are talking about a lot of underslaught possibilities.
[SPEAKER_01]: We specifically mentioned Tyler Bremner as a possibility here for the angels on our pre-draft show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Peter brought it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd heard the angels tied to them a lot on our final mock with Tyler Bremner as another name we were hearing.
[SPEAKER_01]: while it was a little surprising because I would have expected Anderson to be off the board just before him in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you combine the fact like the angels are always hunting underslot deals and also the angels were really heavily scouting bremner down the stretch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes a lot of sense for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: My kind of big thing recently has been
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Bremener is not all that different from the top college arms in the class.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is maybe the player I was thinking of when I talked about like the specific ranking jump from eleven on our final board to four where we have Kate Anderson.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you could shuffle these guys pretty in pretty different orders in terms of our top five pitchers in the class and you would get people who defended those orders.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler Bremner had a really strong season.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has stuff that fits in this range.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a high probability starter profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the slider better than probably a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did not play quite as good as it has in the past this spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have some confidence that it can be better moving forward, but he's got an out pitch in this change up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he consistently throws hard and he's got a great strikeout to walk Ray track record and college.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it makes as much sense as any of the other college arms here to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you have taken him number two?
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have taken one of the high school players on our board, but if I was down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Marty Morado says, sorry, Carlos, we're taking a college arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm taking a college arm, I'm probably going to take.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if it's a college player for me, I'm probably taking Jamie Arnold, Bremner, I've our cat, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I think that's probably where the surprises for people were okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're saying other people, these other players are ahead of Tyler Bremner, I'm an angels fan, what are we doing, taking
[SPEAKER_02]: Tyler bremner number two when these better options are available or is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, better options is what's doing a lot of work there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're really confident that there are better options, you should take the better options.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm saying, I'm not super confident that the difference is all that meaningful.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you pair that with what I assume is going to be the bonus difference there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might be looking at a better class with Tyler Brenner, who you was a comparable talent compared to what you would have got with the Kate Anderson or another option, and then whoever else you could sign there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's always the calculus with these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is about this pick, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say very clearly, like if you think you have someone who is the best player on the board and known as comparable, you just take that player and then figure out your other names later.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you've got a group of names that your room is split about or you've used basically the same tier, I think it makes perfect sense to me to go the kind of value route and then see what kind of deals you can find later.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the angels did take
[SPEAKER_01]: some exciting names later on that I imagine we're going to be taking some of that bonus money that the team is saving.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the part where people including us say, oh, just take the best player available.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if in the room, you can't agree on who the best player is in the same group of value.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I mean when I say the draft is an exercise in humility like it's very easy to say you should take the best player available, but even us like on this podcast if we added it on Peter or JJ and Jeff like we would all disagree about who the best player is at any pick on the board and so now take that number of people and multiply it by four or five and you're not always going to it's not always as simple and as black and white it's just like here's the very clearly the best player.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Todd Bremner fits perfectly on talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it was really cool to see him pick with what he went through this year with his mom.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited about the pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to see what he can do at the next level.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really love that the angels seem to always take these hard-throwing reliever types in the second and third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I like Chase Shores to a certain extent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have probably someone else better in the second round for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a fan of Johnny Slowinsky in the third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like
[SPEAKER_01]: them getting talent haily in the twelfth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: So those two high school left-handed pitchers are exciting upside plays that on the fan of CJ Gray is a really exciting upside arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would maybe be a little more excited about these names if I've
[SPEAKER_01]: Like had seen a few more pictures pan out with the Angel's system.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am a little concerned about that, but it is another really picture heavy class for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe seven of their first eight picks or pictures with Louisville Third Basement Jake Monroe kind of thrown in in the fourth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like the Isaiah Jackson pick in the eighth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have liked him maybe even a round or two in front of that spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's he's maybe a hit or I'm looking at that I'm kind of excited about.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what are your thoughts in this class as a whole beyond Bremder?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think the I don't think you want to go into your number two overall picks and okay, we need to build out the depth of our farm system.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you have if you think Bremder is in the same group as Anderson and Doyle and
[SPEAKER_02]: Arnold and witherspoon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, witherspoon went later, but then okay, it does make sense where I can see the angel saying, hey, our farm system is bad, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: We need a lot more depth here.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we think our or excuse me, if we think Bremner is just as good as the other guys, we can get them on a significant discount.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we can build up the rest of our draft class.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and if you think they did it, then
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Out of like to see some more hitters probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I do think, you know, he went the thirteenth round.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if they're going to sign him, but Robert X Mitchell, who's a lefty from Texas, I think he's really sneaky, like what's six, three, six, four, really skinny lefty, like velocity is slowly creeping up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's been up to ninety four.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can spin a good curve ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of trades.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like there, maybe he just stays skinny and doesn't ever all come together.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the kind of guy I would like to bet on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: TBD.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll be an interesting one.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't pitch much of the spring because he was dealing with some shoulder fatigue.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's also committed to crisis, which if you're a pitcher, I think Texas is one of the better spots for you and just in terms of player development.
[SPEAKER_01]: At this stage, so I imagine he's pretty pricey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would guess he's maybe like a fallback option for the angels if something happens inside their top ten picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like with trade Gregory, all for getting a huge bonus last year after Ryan Prager didn't sign.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just kind of my hunch if they do think he's just signing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like playing A for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's even more appealing because I think you are right to point that one out.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a sneaky talent down there in the thirteenth round.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're the Mariners just thrilled to have Kate Anderson there at number three.
[SPEAKER_02]: With pills like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could easily go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, like nobody would have been surprised.
[SPEAKER_02]: We went number one and I've worked with the angels picking ahead of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got to be thinking, well, he's good chance he could be going there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then they get him at three.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be good feeling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it has to be even Kate Anderson at number three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every one in the industry had just more and more confidence that this was the guy at the top of the college pitching demographic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, really performed at a high level.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a solid mix of stuff and command and physical projection remaining.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to dream, you can spend two really impressive breaking balls.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more mid rotation upside than front of the rotation upside with Anderson, but I also think it's a pretty quick moving college player that I would imagine is going to help them out at the major league level in short order.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, you get Luke Stephenson at thirty-five overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a player that easily could have gone in the twenties.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Becker in the second is a fun one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's mostly really college heavy for the miners from there on out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is a solid class as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Griffin Hugus and the third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Corbin Dickinson, Dickerson, excuse me, at Indiana.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was really curious to see where he was going to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the fifth round is an appropriate range for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: If someone took him like top three rounds, I maybe would have viewed the pick a little bit more skeptically.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the fifth round, I think it's really solid value.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you curious to see where he was going to go?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's it about him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just for Dickerson, who's always a tricky one for me to pin down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, center field at Indiana had a really great year.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had some huge exit velocities, but part of me was always a little suspicious of those exit velocities and just the general offensive improvement that he showed this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was a pretty
[SPEAKER_01]: Highly regarded player dating back to his high school days.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think there are some more questions with how he does it offensively than maybe the scouting line will indicate.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then given his performances here, nineteen home runs a plus runner playing center field to solid line across the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if someone wanted to take him top three rounds at one of shocked me and I would have just been a little more hesitant about.
[SPEAKER_01]: What he's actually going to be as a hitter and what kind of power he's going to bring with wood, I guess, the next level, but fifth round like it there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think Luke Stevenson and I guess Nick Becker to for that matter, are they going to hit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Luke Stevenson does so much else that he doesn't really have to hit at a massive clip to still be really valuable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to be a really good defensive catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have power.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have on base skills.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can be a below average.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could even be a well below average hitter and still provide value.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that you probably have a lot more confidence in that profile when it's your second pick versus your first, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it takes some of the pressure off your draft class.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Nick Becker is a solid player in the second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have concerns about him hitting?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he's a good athlete, good chance to stick at shortstop.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you slide some routes, wouldn't shock me, he runs well.
[SPEAKER_01]: The swing, some people seem to like the swing a lot more than I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's solid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't expect like an impactful hitter here, but I think he could be a well-rounded player.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, some scouts, I know, like really don't think he's gonna hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: probably would lean toward.
[SPEAKER_02]: That can't, maybe he got better since the last time I saw him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I, you know, I really like the Kate Anderson pick where we're like, got him.
[SPEAKER_02]: The rest of the draft class to be determined, but I think getting Kate Anderson who's, I mean, is he going to be pitching the big leads for them?
[SPEAKER_02]: Next gear, maybe?
[SPEAKER_01]: If they wanted to push him that quickly, I don't know why he would be any less equipped to do it than some of the other arms we've seen go move fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he should be in that sort of like, Rhett louder, Chase Dullender, Chase Burns sort of profile that, I mean, what do you need him to improve on?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really think much.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he gets acclimated and he shows he's still missing bats and double a, you need, you need to picture in your rotation.
[SPEAKER_01]: I say, move him as quickly as you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: The wrong other one.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one other one I'll note here is the Fourteenth Rounder, Luke Hayman.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a player I thought had a chance to go in the top five rounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a draft eligible sophomore or excuse me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't twenty twenty four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Had a down year, had a strong year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So taking him in the fourteen throughout typically these college guys, top fifteen rounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I expect they're going to sign.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they get him signed in the fourteen round, I think that's a pretty good value here as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's not Luke Stephenson, but I think there are some real tools here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's looking forward to catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Florida catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can move on to Rockies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They, they also are probably pretty happy too, because I imagine they.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good chance if they had the first overall pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: even holiday is still a Colorado rocky right yeah it's funny how just how just obvious it was that the rockies wanted holiday and preferred to get holiday and here they are they have even holiday fourth overall top planner board really exciting hit power combination tons of offensive upside chance for thirty plus home runs i mean for you what do you think the peak
[SPEAKER_01]: home run projection is for holiday and his like prime years.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think he's like a forty plus home run type like how confident are you that he's going to get to that power at the major league level.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he has the bad speed and the physical upside and the present power to where you could see twenty five thirty plus home runs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Draw a lot of walks but offensively the question mark is.
[SPEAKER_02]: How much contact is he going to make.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, he's not like a raw hitter.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it comes with swing and miss and he didn't dominate on the showcase circuit the way you would have loved to have seen from the top player in the high school class.
[SPEAKER_02]: James Wood, swing and miss.
[SPEAKER_02]: quite a bit too in high school.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another player who did not perform super well in the showcase circuit and had some swing and missed tendencies is Bobby with Junior.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I'm not comparing even all the later bug with Junior, but I think there is something to the top player in a high school class.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we've seen a lot of these guys not have the summers they're expected to have either because
[SPEAKER_01]: our expectations for them every time we see them are just higher than every other player and it's hard to just match those expectations or because they get pitched around literally every game they go to in high school like all the other high school pitchers know who these guys are and they just maybe they don't get much to hit so they can't perform as much but
[SPEAKER_01]: unless you're Kevin McGonagall, they just say everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the way Max Clark was talking about Kevin McGonagall, the prospect pad was just awesome to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the student never goes into his slump.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then on the other hand, I think there are people more fans than anybody else who wonder, okay, is this more, you know, is this more Drew Jones?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, the another son of a, you know, former All-Star Big Leagueer who's
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, very famous at an early age, and then maybe isn't as good as people were thinking who does go with such an early pick, and you know, holiday doesn't have the kind of defensive tools, obviously that Drew has to fall back on.
[SPEAKER_02]: not that Drew is as ascended as a right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He means right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's hard to assess my like risk of Ethan versus Drew because like at the time he was drafted, we expected him to be just a far better hitter than he's been in pro ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like without the contact skills were really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thought there was like a baseline of bad speed and physical projection dream in the power coming and just I mean, we had a miss the top player in the class that you're ahead of Jackson Holiday who went one and Andrew went to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't have any more questions with the holiday than really any top high school hitter in the class, but all of these guys have some sort of risk, like not all of them are going to pan out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ethan Hollis is a very good player.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be excited to have him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the rest of their draft seems like pretty college heavy for the.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's Colorado feels like they've been really college heavy the last few years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ethan was the only high school player.
[SPEAKER_01]: They selected that one junior college player in the thirteenth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isaiah Muniz out of Mount St.
[SPEAKER_01]: Antonio College in California.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I like their their second and third picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Javie Milton and Max Ballou.
[SPEAKER_01]: In my mind, I'm just like flipping them in my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have taken Ballou in the second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: No doubt about it at forty five overall at seventy four.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's a steel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like J. B. Milton, but maybe a little less than where they took him forty fifth.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they got them both in an order that I think is is backwards to me, but it's
[SPEAKER_01]: probably irrelevant when you get them both at the end of the day, like this is your package of players.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're solid ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder if Max Ballou wasn't hurt if he maybe had a chance to slide inside the first.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a player that
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got to seventy four overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we didn't have a lot of college hitters in this range.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a really good college hitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got good bets of ball skills.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was performing early before he dealt with some injuries.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably a corner profile, but I think he's a good defender in a quarter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a plus arm, one of the better throwing arms in the class.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it's a really well rounded.
[SPEAKER_01]: college profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's hard to not, like if you watch Max Ballou play and hit, he's a player that's hard to not like.
[SPEAKER_01]: He really seems like a grinder, a high intensity sort of player.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good feel for the barrel.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see if he can improve like the approach a little bit, sometimes he sees overly aggressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just think this is really good value in the third round for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, high intensity is a good way to describe who the cardinal's took with their first overall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're the first round pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fifth overall, Tennessee left hand early in Doyle.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get Ryan Mitchell high school shortstop in a second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of what the Cardinals did?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in some ways, I feel like this is the pick that's more surprising than any of the others in the top ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only because I really thought if one of Eli Willets or Jamie Arnold were on the board, they were going to take one of those two players.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had Jamie Arnold on the board and went with Doyle instead.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Doyle was a guy that outside of two and three, I guess two through four, I didn't have any clear and obvious landing spots for him, like in like mock preparation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that was just because every team expected him to go in front of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Cardinals taking him here maybe is another indication of that that he just wasn't likely to slide that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, one of the very best fastballs in the class here for Doyle, just an intense competitor on the mound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the most dominant college pitcher in terms of just the rate of strikeouts that he had.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he let all division one pitchers in strikeout rate.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Ryan Mitchell, a guy who
[SPEAKER_01]: I was hearing a lot of chatter about in the comp range.
[SPEAKER_01]: We ranked him as a top-fifty prospect, so going here at fifty-five makes a ton of sense on talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he does have some of the traits that Cardinal seemed to cover it with their hitters, controls the strike zone, makes a lot of contacts.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like his bad at ball data was one of the more impressive numbers for high school hitters last summer, just like the impact he was able to generate, which I think is pretty exciting considering he's still got a ton of weight to add to his frame.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty lean, buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also I kind of liked the fact that they drafted him as an outfielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a short stop in high school and I had some real questions about just the throwing.
[SPEAKER_01]: that he showed from the position.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounded like there are times where scouts on where it was just downright bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Dean Curley gets all the attention for throwing issues because you can just see all the games and all the highlights.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I Mitchell had some real throwing issues at times.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in my head, I was still thinking of him as an in-filter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then to see the cardinal distract him as an out-filter, he's a good runner, a good athlete can move around.
[SPEAKER_01]: I assume they're going to put them out in center and see how that looks.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I like to hit power with him just the general foundation of athleticism that he has.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to see Mitchell get more opportunity at short stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, losers value.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you shove them out to the outfield, but yeah, you know, a loyal Mitchell
[SPEAKER_02]: both guys who seemed like they were fine for where they drafted them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like both of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they were either above or below what they fit on talent, but just right, right on the mark, kind of boring analysis, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the same is also true of Tanner Franklin at seventy two in the compound and then Jack Garovitch in the third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like both of those guys went where our board says they probably should go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jalen Flores and the eleventh is kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy who's been on the B.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: five hundred for a few years now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was drafted.
[SPEAKER_01]: It will sophomore in twenty four.
[SPEAKER_01]: His stock is as tumbled.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just frankly don't think he's a very advanced hitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he does have some power.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a great body.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got good actions defensively.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if the cardinals can help him unlock anything more was just like the pure hit tool.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are at least some tools to like there and eleven thrown seems
[SPEAKER_01]: infinitely defensible for a player of his talent to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pirates pick in six, they gave, they got your guy, Carlos Seth Hernandez.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you love that pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, best upside in the class at six overall, come on now that the pirates are basically making a name for themselves as upside hunters, like they're not afraid to take big swings in the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just paid off really nicely with Connor Griffin.
[SPEAKER_01]: every team in the industry would have liked Paul schemes given the upside and safety that he provided in his draft class.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are just a lot of teams who would not have touched guys like Seth Hernandez guys like Connor Griffin with their first pick in this sort of range because of some of the risks associated with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think Seth Hernandez is more talented than any pitcher in this class.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes as the
[SPEAKER_01]: Fourth, overall picture behind some college arms that I just frankly think currently right now have worse stuff than him.
[SPEAKER_01]: The pirates have done a really nice job with pitching development.
[SPEAKER_01]: In general, in recent years, they added another picture in Angel Survantace.
[SPEAKER_01]: who I know we both like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Servantes is just like the screen starter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's really young.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a deep pitch mix.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got, I mean, they have two of the better changeups in the class overall with Seth Hernandez and Servantes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both of whom are our plus or better.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got plus control.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe in both of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a fifty-five control on Seth and plus control on Servantes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like pitchability, rightees with real stuff to lead it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I find myself really liking drafts like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I liked Miami's when they did Thomas White.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, did you tell me and double myr?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, draft class.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like that one as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just because you again, like a lot of teams move away from these sort of risk profiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I like when teams are going to chase upside and go for impact players.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what certainly Seth is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really like Angel on on talent the second round at fifty of the role.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like Seth Hernandez, I like Angel Cervantes, both guys, a lot of starter traits.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I talked about like CMA earlier, who had a reliever risk with him, and he went a little bit later in the draft that was going to get paid.
[SPEAKER_02]: a ton of money, but both guys who look like true starting pitcher profiles.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of strikes manipulate their secondary stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Vantes is still really young for the class and there's another gear still to come on his stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gustavo, Melendez, a little short stop from Puerto Rico.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think is interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Adonis Guzman, catcher from Arizona in the fifth round.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think is
[SPEAKER_02]: you're not drafting him for this reason, and it probably would not be a good outcome if it will be a good outcome if it happened, but I legit wonder if he's like the next Kenley Jansen, or it's not like he's not like you're drafting him there, but pitching those illegitimate fallback.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or like a bad thing court.
[SPEAKER_02]: His arm is boggers, but TBD.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you have a good offensive season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still have real questions about the hit as seemingly you do, but it's an eighty-grade arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I maybe wish that they drafted some hitters.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was more excited about after the top two pictures in the class.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Murphy Gray and East and Carmichael are solid on talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Murphy has some ingredients to hit, but I do wonder about the aggression with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder about the defensive profile with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's probably more likely to play first base than he is third.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just not a great athlete at third.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eastern Carmichael is just like one of these kind of like boring college profiles where it does everything really well, but maybe nothing great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't mean boring as maybe as much of a pejorative as it sounded.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he is a well-rounded player.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I maybe would be wanting a bat that I was more excited about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Gustavo Melendez is a profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: that really scares me at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he can really pick it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just so small and does not have a lot of power now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he swings like he does a lot of the times, which maybe is something that will get a little bit cleaned up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has power that should, should be more of like a line drive swing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he swings like he's swinging for the fences a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which maybe is a very minor critique.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I imagine Gustavo is gonna be pretty far away.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's one of the younger players in the class.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a lot of
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of physicality to add, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, starting it off at two, two upside plays at the top is fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the Marlons go and I think all college players start with three college bats and I've arcade, Cam Canoela, Brandon Compton.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think...
[SPEAKER_01]: The marlins need bats, clearly this is a draft for the tried to infuse some hitting talent into their farm system.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you think they've struggled to develop hitters, it maybe makes more sense to just go with the college profile where theoretically you have less work to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've our kit feels like kind of a no-brainer at seven to them, just given who went in front of them, best college hitter in the class, maybe a testament of this class, the best college hitter is going seventh overall, typically, that's a lot earlier for that profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they've got a solid mix of impact here with guys like Cam Cannarella that you feel good about.
[SPEAKER_01]: The defensive profile and the hitting track record.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Brandon Compton's Power Potential is a great fit at Forty six overall, thought he had a chance to go top.
[SPEAKER_01]: Forty, max Williams and Drew Fro, both Florida State products that I'm a little bit more skeptical of just the approaches with them, but they have some impact as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're strong, chance to play with the middle positions for both of them, but also think maybe some risk to slide a little bit down the defense spectrum.
[SPEAKER_01]: actually quite like Chris Arroyo their fifth round pick first baseman out of Virginia I may be saw him better than some other scouts did this spring but he does have a lot of power from the left side he's got a swing that looks geared to to get the ball in the air to the pull side the performance at the end of the day was maybe not as loud as you would want to see for a sort of first base only profile they drafted him as a first baseman I think the hitting upside with him is far better than the pitching but
[SPEAKER_01]: He maybe does have like a legitimate fallback option as a pitcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually liked the Joey Valini and Jake Clemente picks in the sixth and seventh round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joey Valini is like a really impressive performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe more pitchability type.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Clemente has real stuff probably a reliever, but a lot of arm talent and in the seventh round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be pretty happy with that profile even if it is more likely reliever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talking through it, it's kind of interesting how many players from Florida they drafted for in the top seven rounds and they're top two hundred picks for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like that was it in terms of the whole draft, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Blue Jays at eight taken high school shortstop, Joe Joe Parker feels like a Blue Jays pick to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a very
[SPEAKER_02]: Big rise for him over the past year, and I get, well, I mean, it's a very pure, who left-handed swaying, very hit-or-ish look, could performance last summer, playing against good competition, their strengths projection there, TBD on the position, but you're banking on the offensive game, and it's like one of the more advanced high school hitters in the country this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the hip power combination is really exciting to strong athlete.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's going to wind up a short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you put him there and see if he just looks better than I expect him to look or just he'll make a lot of strides with pro.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pro coaching, helping him out of the position.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, outside of Ethan Holiday, I think one of the more exciting hip power combinations in the high school class.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jake cooking the third round is a little rich for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is older.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does not have the most extensive track record, but this was a player that we had heard was kind of moving up draft boards and the lead up to the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we had a piece on Saturday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lumping him in with a number of college players that had a chance to go on night one this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does go in that range third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a far better runner than the stolen base numbers would suggest.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went three for eight on the basis of the spring, but he's a legit semi grade runner contact oriented back in place in her field.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim PSN team and I apologize it might be butchering his last name.
[SPEAKER_01]: was the top Canadian player in the class, kind of fun that he goes to Toronto here, sort of a Nate flew welling type of profile from last year if you guys remember him in the third round, power over hit, third base, corner profile with a big arm, but he did show some of the better power at the combine this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his fun, fun upside play as a hitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I like their both, both their eleventh and twelfth round picks as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jared Spencer out of Texas.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a guy who probably is a top two round pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he stays healthy, now he's got the the injury, the shoulder injury that that there was maybe more of a question mark into his overall profile and then bling bullard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I assume these high school players taking into the like eleven to thirteen round range are or signable.
[SPEAKER_01]: The teams have taken them there to get them signed.
[SPEAKER_01]: If so, I love this picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had them as a top one fifty-ish or so player of the middle profile plus runner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really nice clean looking swing from both sides.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like a better from the left side.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this would be an absolute coup if they can get them in the twelve round.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a Texas A&M commit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's like a backup fallback option for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: but that would be a real win for the bludges at him signed in the twelfth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the Cincinnati Reds at nine taken high school shortstop steel hall.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I thought it was a little high for him and I like steel hall, but especially with Billy Carlson still on the board and then Billy Carlson goes one pick later.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a great athlete.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a true shortstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's an elite runner.
[SPEAKER_02]: My question, if you're going to take a guy in the top ten overall picks, I want to have a lot of conviction on the bat and the hitting ability and the offensive upside.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a solid hitter, but I don't think he's a great hitter and maybe he goes out and pro ball next year and hits really well and answers all those questions, but I like steel haul.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think there are other options here that
[SPEAKER_02]: were better players were available for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't disagree entirely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think the reds, like I got the sense that I liked Steel Hall better than some of those players that that you may be prefer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure, yeah, they took them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I always thought they liked him better than Billy Carlson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the reds do like athletes quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steel Hall is one of the better athletes in the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was curious, like, excited her.
[SPEAKER_01]: They really wanted to go back.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had some bats going front of them, but Irish was still available.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they liked Irish.
[SPEAKER_01]: Still hall, I always thought it was kind of like a backup option for them, depending on how the board went for them in front.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jamie Arnold being on the board and not being taken was interesting to me because they have been a team that's willing to take college arms and the top ten it has done quite well with that profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have liked to still haul more in the like tent to twenty round range, so a lot of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little delirious.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm with you, like I have some concerns about the hip power with still haul like it just never has felt like the most instinctual swing to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron Watson, the second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's solid value.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like him about the same degree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Lyndon Harmon in this class more polished than pure stuff compared to Harmon.
[SPEAKER_01]: His lighter is really advanced for his age.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mason Neville is another one who kind of like Corbin Dickerson.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought had a chance to go top three rounds somewhere and I'm kind of glad to see him here in the fourth for the reds because I think with the kind of tools and upside he has combined with just the hitting risk.
[SPEAKER_01]: I associate with this profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: like tolerating that risk here in the fourth round makes a lot more sense to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just, I am very intrigued with Mason Neville.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I liked that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he could have fit much, you know, if he goes in the top two rounds, I thought he could have fit there on talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's power.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a sense for the strike zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's some swing and risk there, but I think he can, I'm optimistic at least that he can keep it to a manageable
[SPEAKER_02]: level.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to get a player like that in the fourth round, I was, I was very much a fan of that pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have more concerns about just the pure hitting approach with him, some of the contact concerns.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he, to his credit, he didn't prove a lot in the, the contact department.
[SPEAKER_01]: This spring, but I think secondaries are still a real issue for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can run.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got an arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a raw power.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if this is like a sign of an improving approach, and that's going to continue at the next level,
[SPEAKER_01]: Good value here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He like pits another really impressive athlete again, a lot of athletes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of athletes with the reds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's not going to be as famous as Steel Hall, but he's probably close to an equivalent runner.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a double plus runner who can really really get after it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine he's going to be a pretty good defender in center.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's he still raw and I'm guessing signability played a role here and then taking him here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's probably better for him to go to pro ball than college to where he can play.
[SPEAKER_02]: right away and you don't have to worry about getting benched if you struggle or you're not helping your college team or your minor league team win games right away.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're still gonna run you out there every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna need those bets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mason Morris and the third round is maybe not a super sexy pick, but I think rock solid on, on value where Scott's expected him to go, great performance this spring, solid three pitch mix with with solid control.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's the reds.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you, what did you think of the white stock straft?
[SPEAKER_01]: white socks, drafts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's more risk here than maybe you're going to think.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I like Billy Carlson.
[SPEAKER_01]: You like him better than I like him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have more concerns about the hitting ability and the power with Billy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, there's no questions about the defense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that we need to talk about that too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: People already know Billy Carlson, defensively.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jayden Falski was getting a lot of buzz down the stretch.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot of power.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was drafted as an outfielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been a catcher in the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably always more likely to profile as an outfielder than a catcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that makes sense to just let him go play the outfielder and hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Kyle O'Dees
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the range that he should have gone on talent for a lot of scouts who are not quite as bought into the performance of the spring and just the tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think with both of the short stops that the white socks drafted, you are gonna like them more than me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I like Billy Carlson, but I just don't know what he's gonna be offensively at the next level and I could see a real wide range of outcomes for him as a hitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is the same not true steel all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just said the same best still haul.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have liked to have a little later in the ten to twenty range.
[SPEAKER_01]: There.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think Billy Carlson might end up being the best short stop in the draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's better than steel.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not the pure hitter that Joe Joe Parker is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not the power of Ethan Holiday, but I don't think either of those guys will stay at short stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas Billy Carlson is a true short stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plus defense, seventy arm, great actions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's always made a lot of contact.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has good back control.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has bad speed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a narrow frame.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's pretty slender still.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can hope he gets puts on a lot more strength than adds power because the bad speed is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the frame is ever going to hold a ton of strength and lend itself to big power.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think you're getting a true shortstop and I'm optimistic that he's going to hit because he has really good hand eye coordination.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't swing and miss a lot and there is bad speed in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's not as advanced of a hitter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say is Eli will it's that's why Eli will it's you know what number one overall.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if Billy Carlson ends up the best shortstop of this group of guys who went in the top ten overall picks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not surprised me and then Kyle Odece.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really liked that pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the players like him Scouts have a hard time warming up to them and then they get consistently undervalued because of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was seventh in the ACC I believe in OPS.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a
[SPEAKER_02]: High contact bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: He controls the strike zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Power is is fringy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe below average.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he's a short stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he goes a second base.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he thinks he's a second baseman.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think we've seen other college short stops with similar tools, similar skill set.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who end up?
[SPEAKER_02]: surprising people and staying at shortstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if he does go to second base, I still like him, especially here in the third ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm more optimistic that he can stay at shortstop than most.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they just you add up to some of the parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a pretty good player, especially to get him in in the third ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: The last line of our report for Lodi says he's a split camp player who's loved by model heavy teams and beat more skeptically by those who value physical tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here the white socks are drafting him, which is maybe one of the least model heavy teams in the industry, but also Billy Carlson here going tenth with Seth Hernandez first ever high school duo to be drafted inside the top ten picks of the same year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's some some more draft history for this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Today how many how many did I know Tennessee had
[SPEAKER_02]: To have three first rounders.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll pull that up right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They definitely had a Andrew Fisher Gavin Kielin and then they had Liam Doyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had Doyle five Kielin thirteen Fisher twenty and then Marcus Phillips just barely miss it thirty three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So university of Tennessee and then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cal Brady evil what next is Corona high school one leading the way the top of the track pretty cool yeah cover looks good yeah the highest the high school transfer portal is is buzzing as absolutely is yeah what about the A's and eleven getting I'm in class Arnold's I mean Jamie Arnold coming in the year we're talking about him hey maybe the nationals take him right first overall and
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like he had like a, you know, Josh Hartle, type year, where everything fell apart.
[SPEAKER_01]: And no, so kind of the only thing is like the fastball just didn't get quite as much swing and miss other than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was pretty similar.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't quite as dominant as a year ago, but it's back to back years of the sub three era in the ACC.
[SPEAKER_01]: has great deception from that low slot, fastball that just has a ton of movement, sliders and no dot plus pitch, plays against batters of both sides, solid control, track record, he's got a change up that could be a real beast of a weapon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once he gets more feel for it, he started throwing that pitch more frequently this spring, the data on it is just insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was telling us at the combine that it's like, he moved so much as difficult for him to control.
[SPEAKER_01]: So really curious where that's gonna wind up for him in terms of usability,
[SPEAKER_01]: at eleven, I mean, I expected Tyler Brownner maybe had a chance to go to eleven and I was going to talk about how much I like that value at eleven.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it just as much here for Jamie Arnold.
[SPEAKER_02]: We knew somebody was going to fall out of the top ten and get to the A's and ended up being Jamie Arnold.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the A's have done a really nice job with their first round picks in recent years.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have been pretty college heavy in recent years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jacob Wilson that curves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both of them have looked great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Arnold, like we said with Anderson, like I imagine with Bremner, I don't know we touched on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think he could move really quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a young core of hitters here in this A's lineup that that needs some reinforcements on the pitching side.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think on talent and for like a team need, Jamie Arnold is great fit here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have, like, talked to myself into being like a Devon Taylor believer, so getting him in the second round at four to eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think is a good value as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thought he had a chance to maybe go in the first round, because the baddest advance and the performance has been so consistent, but if you're worried that oh, it's a left field profile, I feel like getting that in the second round with your second pick is maybe more tolerable in the fourth round, they don't have a third round pick, fourth round they take Gavin Turley.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some similar questions for me would certainly as like a Mason Neville.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are real hit questions here, but I do like saying Taylor.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the fifth, as one of like the top priority seniors in the class, the picture is a great control, solid fastball, some developing secondaries.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this class for me is all Arnold and Taylor as the first two picks that I really like.
[SPEAKER_02]: What about Texas picking twelve behind them?
[SPEAKER_02]: What did you think of what they did?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me pull up Texas here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a Gavin Fiend, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Gavin Fiend, twelveth overall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number thirty one and our rankings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Gavin Fiend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably some other hitters out of taking over him in this range, especially because I drafted as a short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think probably unlikely to play a short stop moving forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think more, more third base, more corner outfield.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, he is a good hitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does have power.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have like him more and sort of the twenties.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think just give him maybe some of the risks I have with the profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: The swing being a little bit odd is not what holds me back here because it is an unusual looking swing, but it has always worked fine for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that doesn't bother me too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's mostly just like the profile questions I would have here.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were some other short stops, like Daniel Pierce, kissing cutting him.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're still on the board profile as in where he ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: As in likely corner, likely corner profile in my mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Corner is in third base though, or corner like he might go to a left field, or first base type corner, because third base to me is still very valuable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say both.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just think you had some, you had some short stops who had more chances to take a short stop with similar offensive upside, at least similar enough for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if he is like a Jojo Parker-esque hit power combination, they're going to be happy with that even if he winds up a third because I had the same defensive questions about Jojo Parker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I really like that pick, despite saying I don't think he's his short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe there's a disconnect here in the profile as I'm talking through it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for whatever reason, maybe a little bit more skeptical of this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know about this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has an underclassman to not stand out to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you look at what he did last summer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, okay, like if you're just looking at stats, maybe performed as well as anybody during the summer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And but then what happened this frame, and he did you go out and crush everybody this spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so that's the frame for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and then I look at the swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, like I and I questions about how Kayla Bonner did it in high school too kind of an unusual looking swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could see kind of the lower hanging fruit to fix the swing of
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you got to be able to just adjust Caleb Bonner's the way he uses his lower half to get a little bit more rhythm and fluidity into what was kind of a stiff swing at the time with Fiend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, kind of scratching my head wondering how he did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did make significant strides, I think, from where he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: as an underclassman and as a significantly better prospect, but I would say Joe Joe Parker was kind of the same way in the jump that he made over the past year, but with Joe Joe Parker, I'm looking at the swing, the approach, and saying, yes, like this all looks right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the performance with Parker too, I can see why people are really excited about it, and I'm on board with Fiend again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good player, but it's just a question of what you said.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number twelve overall and I'm sure they're getting them under slat and they're going to balance out the rest of their draft class with some better players who they were targeting later on.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I had this, I had the same questions about, it morphed to me, like, is this going to work higher up?
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it does, you know, great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, just right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, I mean, kill a bonerman fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Caleb Bonumer and Kevin Feiner are like interesting to compare and contrast because maybe you could say that you think Kevin Feiner is a tick better hitter at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think their power maybe similar, but I really thought Bonumer was a much better athlete with better secondary tools across the board and then he goes in the second round, forty-third overall for the white socks compared to Fein going here, twelfth overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a little stiffer than maybe I would have liked.
[SPEAKER_01]: AJ Russell in the second, Josh Owens in third, I like those picks on value.
[SPEAKER_01]: Russell has a freaky fastball, and I think with with some of the questions just in terms of health and lack of innings, like getting him in the second compared to like a top forty comp or late first jump pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is solid value there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Owens is a guy who I really wondered if he was going to go top fifty given the amount of teams that were really in on him as a projection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Name being selected as a two way player.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just in my mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an outfielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a hitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know he was a pitcher in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been up to an ninety four miles per hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be really curious like what the actual two weeks we were meant is going to be with Josh Owens and you know me been I'm trying to get these guys to focus on one side as soon as possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope he just gets a lot of reps offensively because I think he's a player who needs those reps.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm way more excited about his upside as a hitter than I am as a pitcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe he'll surprise me here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like a lot of times when these teams are taking guys as a two-way player, they're just telling them they're a two-way player, then they sign the contract and then, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: Any other names you want to mention here for me, move on?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, the Giants, Gavin Kielin, pickin' thirteenth overall, would you think of that?
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like a fair pick there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think jumps out as like over or under where we expected.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think good value makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Down the stretch, it definitely felt like Kielin was kind of sliding into this, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess with the Irish still on the board, we'll talk about him a little bit later, but I wouldn't have expected Irish to go as late as he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously went to a team that has a ton of bonus pool money at nineteen, but I think this is a perfectly fair spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we were consistently mocking Keline around fifteen or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had heard that the giants really wanted to hit her, heard the more associated with high school profiles than college profiles, but I think people, as they really dug into the weeds with Gavin,
[SPEAKER_01]: really like the hitting traits here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even if he's going to be a second baseman, which I think he probably is drafted as a short stop, but I would still be happy with this profile if he moves to second base, which is where I assume he's going to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's in the assault pit there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anything else in their draft that really move the needle for you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, read Worley in the ninth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, until we hear otherwise, anyone who's drafted inside the top ten rounds before signing day, we should assume they're going to sign the sign right for these players is like ninety seven percent plus because they're negotiating deals before the draft, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and also it really screws the teams up if they don't sign these players because they lose the bonus pull money associated with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the teams want to make sure that they're going to be able to sign them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So typically, this does not always happen, so I can't say it's like a blanket statement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Typically, and especially with taking a guy like Reed Whirling the ninth round, I would be stunned if they had blindly taken him in the ninth without calling and saying, hey, we have X, will you sign for X?
[SPEAKER_01]: And typically that's how it happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes especially in the first few rounds, teams will take a player blind and just assume they have their signability down and draft a player without that call and work it out and make sure they try and get the money.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is rare.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they do it that in the early rounds because if they don't sign them, they get a pick the next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas if you do it in the right rounds, you know, any top three round pick comes with some compensation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't get a player signed, you'll get a pick
[SPEAKER_01]: either one spot after or I think if it's in the third round, it's just like at the end of the third round next year, you'll get pit compensation a year later.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so again, assume these guys are going to sign a list, something crazy comes up with like medical or something weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Reed Worley, we had as a top, one fifty-ish prospect, one of the better breaking balls.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the class, we had the sliders of Future Seventy pitch, low eighties, tons of spin, tons of sweeping depth, easy, easy swing and miss pitch.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy who still has some strength to add to his frame.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think more Velocity's gonna come on that fastball, but that's a kind of an upside-pitch ability, but an upside-pitcher play.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Kim Moutonado, seventh round round Northeastern.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found myself liking Kim more and more as we kind of dove more into the profile as we finalize the report.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's a really impressive athlete.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's always stolen a lot of bases, plus runner, solid chance to play center field and stick there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be a good defender there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe more solidish offensive upside potential.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the swing is a little bit stiff at times.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can hit the ball hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so because I have confidence he's going to be a center fielder.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like this pick in the seventh round.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me about the raise drafted, fourteen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you?
[SPEAKER_02]: I have mixed feelings on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm curious to hear what you thought about what they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let me, let me pull up race.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: As I go down, it's kind of pulling them up on our board.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can look at the full.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, if you guys are listening and you don't know about our draft database, you can literally pull up every team's draft and scan through them and click through our scouting notes on all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can be in expert on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, anyone else is?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the race took a lot of profiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: that I like in the top five rounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of their players are very well rounded solid athletes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't stand out as having like one huge tool that's like a carrying tool, but like Daniel Pierce.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do have some concerns with Dana Pierce offensively.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say I would buck those concerns similar to have them bucketed for both steel haul and Billy Carlson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably no more optimism or skepticism.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think skepticism would be a new one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like skepticism though.
[SPEAKER_02]: That should be a word.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I think he is a tremendous defender at short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: If anything, I think Daniel Pierce's defensive ability gets undersold a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a really strong arm, has always shown excellent actions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's the most natural hitter in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I wonder how much offensive upside he's going to be able to tap into Brendan Summerhill.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at forty two.
[SPEAKER_01]: is great value.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have taken him in the twenties, just given what I feel about his just pure hitting ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at a certain point, he was one of the better college hitters available.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that he didn't hit a bunch of home runs this spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't bother me too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you can pack more strength on to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he is like pulling the ball in the air with a ton of consistency.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you can help him do that a little bit more if you think he needs to hit for more power.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like a brave and tailoredish sort of profile to me as like kind of this
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not quite as advance of an approach offensively as Braden Taylor had at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like this tweenish alfielder, whereas Taylor was like a tweenish infielder with no curing tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he's a good runner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a solid approach.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there maybe is more power to dream on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would understand this year too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of also is on on him, I guess, on for that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he did not break it because he got hit in the hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think, too, like, he's probably going to get a chance to play center field.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have talked to some scout who said, like, when they've seen him in center is better than expected to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if he wound up playing more center field than people think, that wouldn't shock me either.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would go a long way towards answering some of this, like, tweener profile concerns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cooper Fleming in the second round is maybe a little steep for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do really like his all around game as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a very instinctive player.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's shown an impressive ability to hit at at solid events with solid pitching.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a good defender.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think he does a lot of things for you well.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the fastest runner in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think he does things on both sides of the ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tate and gray in the third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got tons and tons of power.
[SPEAKER_01]: huge upside as a power hitter, extremely young for the class, chances to stick behind the plate and catch.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Dean Moss, I'm not the biggest Dean Moss fan in the world, but when he's your fourth overall pick at sixy seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he, again, it's kind of like the high school version of Summer Hill for me, where he's a bit of a tweeter outfield profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like his, his pure hitting ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like his approach.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to get on base a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish he ran a little bit better or hit for a little bit more power now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I think he just does a lot of things well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I found myself actually kind of liking a lot of these profiles here at the top and you said you had some thoughts on the race.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what are yours?
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not like their first pick Daniel Pierce and they took him right in line with where we have him ranked and right in line with where I'm sure I think a lot of scouts and a lot of teams had him.
[SPEAKER_02]: on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we had him's twenty four, so a little bit higher, but okay, a little bit higher.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, you know, first round pick, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no, I don't think anybody surprises him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He won the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's where we know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not going to be a first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would not have taken him in the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'm just, you know, missing the boat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he got a lot better this spring.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know a lot of people liked him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just have a lot less confidence here.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the bat for a high school player, especially given else, or given who else they could have taken.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want a high school of short stuff, very different profile, but like case in Cunningham is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the raise very much value defense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Cunningham's defense is a little bit underrated, but
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I just don't have a ton of confidence in the hitting ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm missing something or well, he did take a big.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he did take a big step forward offensively in the spring because I talked a lot of scouts as well last summer who thought
[SPEAKER_01]: great defender real really had questions about the offense and then had a good off season and then had a ton of people come in to see him in the spring where he just went off offensively.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if he did take a step, you would have been like on the tail end before you got to like see him take that step forward, but I also still have some similar questions to you about just just the overall offense of profiler.
[SPEAKER_02]: After that, yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brendan Summerhill at forty two feels like a guy who should have gone much higher like I
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather have Brendan some real and it's very low swing in this there's strength in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you can get them to turn on balls in the air more consistently instead of just being content sending the ball the other way I think you get them to unlock more power there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dean Moss in the supplemental second round, sixty seven, very interesting guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he was probably going to go to LSU.
[SPEAKER_02]: LSU's class got wrecked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, like eight guys, which if you recruit a lot of the top players in the country, there's that risk, but I mean, even the last year, they lost like what four players and they get curial, they're curial to campus, they get K&R and B to campus, they get William Schmidt to school.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you lose four guys,
[SPEAKER_02]: In a year from your recruiting class, like that's on the higher end.
[SPEAKER_01]: They was evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: McKinsey, Falsky, Quentin Young.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess he made junior, played in Hodge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dean Moss, Landon Hodge.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they knew Landon Hodge was gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, they get Marcus pause.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe get, uh, come back and get healthy and return to his, his Marcus pause.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think they're probably feeling pretty good to get.
[SPEAKER_02]: Marcus pause, given you a TJ, but yeah, he's going to be like, that's perfect for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause they'll be all probably like case and Evans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this year, work out of the bullpen, you know, managers workload first full year, really coming back from TJ and then probably be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Camp Johnson wasn't really highly regarded prep prospect as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now he's at Oklahoma.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, yeah, I thought that was an interesting pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, the race took what Tyler Bell and he still went Kentucky.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see like they got to sign all these guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that strikes on discipline.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's batsby there with Dean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's probably more corner outfield.
[SPEAKER_02]: then center field.
[SPEAKER_02]: The things I think are fine in center field is not the raw foot speed, especially for a raise center fielder to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I like those two picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to the red socks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, fifteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Kaiser's never going to picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Finally, some pitching for Boston to.
[SPEAKER_02]: To hit their hands on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had him obviously significantly higher.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you expect him to still be available here?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it seems like last year, what break them on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Gumbery becomes available.
[SPEAKER_02]: They grab them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, Kaiser and witherspoon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_02]: pleasantly surprised to scoop you up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Red Sox have been in this position where they just seem to get some of these guys in a tier above where they're picking and happily take them when they get there, which I think is a good strategy for any class, clearly a willingness to go for arms.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe more of a concerted effort just to take arms in this class for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They only had two hitters in the first ten rounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they'd three Maximus Martin was also a hitter that they took in the tent, but a pitcher heavy class for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I mean, with her spoon was always one of these arms that we had slipping a little for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just seemed to be the player who's going to be more likely to fall outside of the top ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we had mocked him like twelve, thirteen, like not really knowing where a great home was for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think it's a great value here for the red socks with their first overall pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like him as much as I like any other college pitcher in this class, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a comparable talent, maybe has more dynamic pure stuff than some of the other college pitchers, certainly the fastball, just has more impressive velocity, he holds it well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder like what the baseline for his strike throwing is going to be because there are real questions a year ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: He made real strides with the spring and proved in a big way.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could maybe say that his control is better than the fifty grade we have on it now, but that was a little bit conservative, just given what he showed in the past, I think he's shown enough of a pitch mix to have some confidence that he's going to develop a plus breaking ball, whether it's the slider, whether it's the cutter, he's got a curve ball as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think just impressive spring for him to show more of what he can do and perform consistently.
[SPEAKER_01]: After that,
[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit more of a mix bag for me for this class.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think both with Henry Godbalt at seventy five in the comp for their comp pick and then Mason White in the fourth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both of those guys feel okay on value based on where we had them on our board.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just have real questions with both those profiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think neither of them are short stops and I actually kind of surprised Godbalt was drafted as a short stop who's mostly playing second base this spring and I think that's definitely where he's going to profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: real impact questions with Godbound and then Mason White kind of the opposite like he swings all the time at everything and has a ton of impact when he connects.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks really pretty, but I have real swing and miss concerns with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe these profiles getting in a system like Boston is good for them because Boston is clearly didn't a nice job with their hitting development regardless of really what the question mark is with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Anthony Iensen has has never been like
[SPEAKER_01]: the pitcher I gravitate towards in the second tier of pitchers, but that's also in like the thirties and forties and they got him at eighty seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think getting him there is actually pretty good value.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a really good athlete throws a lot of strikes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good feel for the second areas.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I figured I'd be talking about some questions about the impact with this fast ball, but in the third round, I think the talent fits phenomenally well, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we got some red socks for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you covered it pretty well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a very college heavy class too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, you know, especially be on the top guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to know them better than I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, obviously, very, very pitching heavy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, I instant was the name that jumped out as far as, oh,
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still available here.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a little surprising.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it seems like between him and Tyson, whether it's Boone.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had two guys who we certainly expected were going to go, maybe with her spoon, I don't know expected, but where we had them ranked higher than where they ended up.
[SPEAKER_02]: go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and then the twins take in Merrick Houston, short stuff from Wake Forest with their first overall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pick this year, Riley Quick, big right-hand a pitcher from Alabama, Quitting Young, enormous high school, hitter with gigantic, gigantic power.
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, he's still available there because in the second round, because of questions about swing and miss and where he ultimately is going to fit
[SPEAKER_02]: defensively, but would you make of what the twins did?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the twins were drafted off the BA board here for this one, because we had Marrike Houston ranked, Fourteenth, he goes, sixteenth, Riley Quick, we had him ranked, thirty-fifth, he goes, thirty-six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quentin Young, we had him ranked, fifty-six, he goes, fifty-four.
[SPEAKER_01]: James L. Winger, we had him ranked, ninety-four, he goes, eighty-eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty dang close for for all of those picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I if I came in here and said, I didn't like this class, you could rightfully say, well, what the hell is your draft board and progress?
[SPEAKER_02]: There are models that plug in baseball America rankings and it sounds like date.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a pretty heavy weight on ours, maybe?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, just man, I'm just joking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's a good day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think this is a fun draft class.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Mayor Kiessen is a player that I've always liked more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that a lot of people here at BA.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad to see him go in this range because he was one of the college haters that I think we'd heard.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a chance he's going to slip a little bit further than expected on draft day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ultimately didn't move him out of our mock.
[SPEAKER_01]: He ended up at eighteen to the d-backs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just kind of glad to see him here because I think there's a lot of safety, a lot of security with this profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: No doubt defensive shortstop and a really good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the context skills.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the strides he's taken in the power department.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot more physical over the last year or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think they're just going to wind up with a really good player here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they they got a profile that
[SPEAKER_01]: is a little different in some ways a little similar in killing coal pepper.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been really good offensively so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think America is a little bit less power, a little bit more defense than coal pepper at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll be curious what they can do with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think really their next four picks are just really fun picks, Riley Quick has massive massive stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: has not really spent a lot of time focus on pitching, so there's a lot of upside maybe that can be unlocked with him focused on pitching or just being on the mound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has done some injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's is a football background.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has not thrown a lot of innings and so I think basically they're they're probably some loaf hanging fruit here too.
[SPEAKER_01]: to be picked with a good player development group.
[SPEAKER_01]: Since I've done a nice job with their college arms and later rounds, this is not exactly a later round for rather quick, but I mean, Quentin Young, I'm scared about how much he's going to make contact, but he does have huge tools, he's physical, he's got to send a raw power.
[SPEAKER_01]: James L. Wenger is kind of like a pitching version of Quentin Young.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of power to this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have concerns about how much strikes he's going to throw, but he can throw really hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can spin it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's also another pitcher that I don't think has
[SPEAKER_01]: really had a ton of innings.
[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't spent a lot of his time focusing on pitching compared to some other peers who are at a same age.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a multi-sport background in high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so again, I think like upside plays for a lot of these guys after Mayor Custon, another upside play with a guy like Matt Barr, who's got just a tremendous spin capacity across his pitch mix, fastball up into the upper nineties, has also not thrown a ton of innings.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then Jason Reetz is a six foot eleven pitcher and how can that not be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of just fun profiles and players I think for the twins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of diversity to this class.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like feels like something for everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, Quentin Young, just among the high school guys, Quentin Young obviously stands out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's like there's a fair range.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think, oh, like what a great pick or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, this is a good place for him to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: because you're betting on a guy who, he might, does he have, I mean, about a seventy raw power right now, which when we talk about, and this is the same thing with international players to like first year international science or international amateur players when people talk about them, including scouts, they'll talk, oh, this guy has, you know, plus raw power, or this guy has, you know, seventy raw power, and okay, take this seventeen or eighteen year old kid
[SPEAKER_02]: put him into a AA or a AAA batting practice around grown men who are, you know, twenty three, twenty four years old and watch how he hits the ball, compared to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you tell me, if you think this guy has sixty or seventy raw power, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: But we can see the exit velocities, the Quentin Young, is throwing up there are like,
[SPEAKER_02]: That's to me, that I think that's seventy wrong hour right now he could end up with eighty raw power I mean he's six foot six obviously bloodlines with you know the uncle's and everything but big question marks about whether he's able to all put it all together.
[SPEAKER_02]: and then where he ultimately ends up playing, I think no chance it's shortstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think right field.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think hopefully third base, like I put him at third base and see if he can stay there as long as possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if not, all right, right field, he does have a huge arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, big, big power upside and then risk with a lot of other things.
[SPEAKER_02]: But second round, sure, seems very fair to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's go to the Cubs, pickin' seventeenth overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: They took your guy Ethan Conrad.
[SPEAKER_01]: We thought he was a player who had a chance to go somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, a lot of potential lending spots in the fifteen plus range goes towards like one of the higher end of outcomes there.
[SPEAKER_01]: followed by King Keppley.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of outfitters, actually, with the cups here, Kate's now on the fifth round, Josiah Hartchorn in the sixth round out of Orange Lutheran High School and Kate's now out of Alabama.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then a couple of pictures here with Dominic Reed out of Abelian Christian in the third, Caleb Wing right in a picture out of High School and California Scotts Valley in the fourth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I quite like the first two picks here, Conrad and Keppley, the great, great range for them to go in terms of talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: really well-rounded for both of them, more so conrad, huge tools, great track record as a hitter, a lot of impact, runs really well for his size.
[SPEAKER_01]: And really the only question mark is the shoulder injury, which are to say how concerned you should be with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I tend to be like not overly concerned.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think hopefully just get back to back to normal after that's healed up and hopefully not have any issues, but
[SPEAKER_01]: This one could look quite good if that injury is kind of a thing of the past when he gets back.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of my favorite first round picks, especially of the second half of the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, I like Ethan Conrad, even more than his teammate at Lake Forest, Mary Houston, who went right ahead of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: The injury is a very valid concern.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's why he's still available here and why you can tell me if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I assume this is going to be an underslot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Deal for.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would assume so for now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have his bonus yet, but yeah, that's kind of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I assume he probably will be and that's why he went here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But otherwise, he probably would end up going later.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I like the track record of hitting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the power.
[SPEAKER_02]: physicality, bad speed.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a good athlete for his size.
[SPEAKER_02]: He runs well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it does he run well enough and defend well enough for centerfield?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say probably not.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably a corner outfielder, but I think the offensive
[SPEAKER_02]: skill set fits well in a corner.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it'll be a good defender if he's a corner out filler instead of a center fielder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a lot of well rounded tools skills.
[SPEAKER_02]: We obviously wish we had more of a track record in the ACC of very early in the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was good, but being up on some weaker competition at the beginning of the season, but at
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it all looks like it should work.
[SPEAKER_02]: The cubs have had some good collegiate picks with their first rounders the last couple years.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's next in line.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've come to chased a louder.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that fits.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that's exciting in some ways as chased a louder is out now with yet again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another injury, maybe I'm getting the fell forward again award here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a valid risk.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a valid concern, but the upside and a talent when he's healthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially for a hitter compared to a pitcher where I'm a lot more cautious with injury concerns.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really like this pick for the cubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you say that you're cautious with injury concerns for pictures.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do have a number of pictures they took in the draft that have some injury concerns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pierce Coppola has a ton of question marks on the medical side in the seventh round.
[SPEAKER_01]: You also have a guy in Eli Gersenbeck.
[SPEAKER_01]: in the eleventh round, who missed the twenty twenty four season with T.J.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then had a stress fracture in his right elbow that kept him out this year and he thought some of those two or maybe I think Jake Nap and Kate Snell also to maybe priority senior signs senior types for for the cubs here in the eighth for Jake Nap at North Carolina and then Kate Snell in the fifth round out of Alabama both guys who are quite a bit older for the class but
[SPEAKER_01]: do some things well, Kate Snell is a contact oriented outfield hitter with performance, Jake Nappas.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the winningest pictures in college baseball this year for whatever that is worth, but he does throw hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is massively physical.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe some interesting pictures.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're optimistic about picture injuries, Pierce Coppola and the Elijah's and Becker guys who have shown interesting stuff in the past, but
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll throw that at you and then also I think Josiah Hartchorn is a hitter that I'm kind of intrigued by another player here who is dealt with some injuries, maybe the cubs felt like they were just not too concerned by injuries in general here in this class because they as we talked through it, there are a lot of players that have some medical questions, but the more I watch Josiah Hartchorn's swing, the more kind of liked him, it's a really interesting mix of strength and bass speed and hitting ability and
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a bigger frame that he moves around pretty well despite that size.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd like to see what he looks like when he's fully healthy for a while and can get reps on both sides because I know he has been limited as both left handed hitter and right handed hitter at times because of injuries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he just like started a gimbal a lot of credit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just started hitting
[SPEAKER_02]: from the other side of the plate, then what was natural to him and did that like throughout the summer circuit when it all eyes were on him, which is really hard to imagine can't be like a fun experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I am curious to see how that
[SPEAKER_02]: works out in in Pro Bowl.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the Diamondbacks case in Cunningham.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eighteenth Texas high school shortstop seems like absolutely zero surprise that a team that would like guys like, you know, slate called well or other shorter hitters who make a ton of contact with like case in Cunningham.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, love this pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kicking myself a little, because in the final line of their mock draft, I wrote that I was really tempted to put cutting him as the pick there in hindsight, should have done it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I drilled that we didn't see cutting him slide into the twenties.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know there was a lot of talk about him potentially slipping into this range.
[SPEAKER_01]: As you probably can figure based on how we talked about some of the other high school shore substance class, I like him better than some of the names who've gone in front of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the best pure hitter in this class overall high school or college.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just really think he knows how to hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very instinctual.
[SPEAKER_01]: He always hits his performance track record is excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got a chance to take a short stop and even if he doesn't play second base, I think he'll be a really good defender there at the position runs really well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, like this pick quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, it's a bunch of live arms that I like as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Patrick Forbes, Brian Curley, really loud fastball slider combinations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some reliever risk with both of those pitchers, Dean Livingston, another pitcher, just ton of arm speed, really impressive athlete on the mound, background as a quarterback, great frame.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can add some strength to in the future, but the arm speed really stands out, transfer plus fastball, transfer in above average breaking ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think both Patrick Forbes and Brian Curley
[SPEAKER_01]: probably have above average or plus sliders now to go along with with the power fastballs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So top four of this class I'd like quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, picking at eighteen, cutting hand was twelve on our rankings and he said it well with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a really good hitter.
[SPEAKER_02]: He makes a ton of contact.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any part of the strike zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's able to square it up really good hand-eye coordination.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the
[SPEAKER_02]: defense is better than people think.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, worst case scenario, it goes to second base.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a chance to actually play shortstop, but either way, he's going to be a middle and feel their defensive instincts are pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good actions out there, good internal clock.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just a big believer in the battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would rather have him than Daniel Pierce.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would rather have him then steal Hall two high school short stops who went at a crossing in there and all greedy too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a bridge too far for Ben.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, the bigger debate here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I mean, look, I think he's probably just as good of like, yeah, just as good of a pure inter as Jojo Parker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Parker six foot two and it's probably more power.
[SPEAKER_02]: outside with Jojo Barger, but it's a very long track record of hitting with case and cutting him, which you know, only only means so much obviously when they were younger, but I mean, I just one of the higher confidence bats for how how it's going to hit and translate pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, okay, let's get into Baltimore and the biggest bonus pool in the class, the biggest bonus pool we've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, two, three, four picks in the top, forty, then they had their second rounder and extra pick and between their second and third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the bar is very high for this Baltimore class.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should really like it because of all this pit capital, all this money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you find yourself liking what Baltimore did with all their picks been?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not all their picks, but
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of them, I guy rush as much as like question like where is he gonna play and how is it gonna fit?
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's not at catcher, I think we're surprised he's still here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then I wonder how much of it is, okay, these teams are having negotiations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we can't like, I mean, there's no, I don't think there's a way to like show it on the live draft broadcast, but like,
[SPEAKER_02]: at the time it's happening, but behind the scenes, these teams are on the phones with the agents working out, trying to work out deals with players and saying, hey, like, you know, whatever player
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we're the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a ton of bonus pool money.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you can get yourself, tell them, if you can get yourself to our pick, we have X million dollars for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it something where the Orioles could have said, you know, made something made an offer like that to Irish and said, hey, tell other teams, you're not going to sign with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: If unless you get
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, four million or whatever the number is to try to get with the goal of saying slide a set of number.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll pay you over slot here and we'll pay you this much money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is it you already think it could just be, hey, other teams were concerned about whether he's going to catch or whatever, just like the other players ahead of him and.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Orioles ended up getting one of the better collegiate hitters down here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, could be combination of both, but I do think that like one player like this start sliding if you're the agent.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are looking at the Orioles and you're saying this is be a landing spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: We feel good about because they have all this money.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it can work both ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we wrote a story about the Orioles draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once they acquired this thirty seventh overall pick and jumped the Mariners for the biggest bonus pool and talked about like in the past, say we see players slide regularly in twenty twenty four trace average number eleven goes twenty twenty twenty two Kevin Parada.
[SPEAKER_01]: Top five was getting talked about when a leaven, cam call here, slid eighteen, Khalil Watson, expected to be a top ten pick, felt the marlins at sixteen, twenty-eighteen class.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both Matthew Libertore, Brady Singer, top five players on our board.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go sixteen to eighteen to the raising rows that have big bonus pools.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we wrote, the odd seam reasonable that someone among our top twelve players in the class will slide further than we expect them to, perhaps the Orioles can capitalize if that happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the very end of this piece,
[SPEAKER_01]: We said, or will it be more likely that they can get a player like Eich Irish, Tyler Bremner, or Jojo Parker, all of whom are expected to go in front of the Orioles down to their nineteenth pick and sign on a big overslaught deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: These scenarios always sound a bit unbelievable before draft day, but again, someone always slides.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Eich Irish is the guy who's who's slid.
[SPEAKER_01]: His hip power combination, a left hand a bat, feel like good fits for players that Orioles have targeted in the past.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think nineteen is exceptional value for his profile, even with the defensive concerns.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be curious to see what the actual bonus he's going to get is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think I just kind of started a trend for the Orioles in this draft that that continued with each of their next picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kate and Bodyn at thirty of overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good value for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: The heave a lawyer at thirty one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good value for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slighter to burn thirty seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good value for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think once you get into Joseph Jerwa, their first picture at fifty eight overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is when like, okay, this starts to make more sense like straight up unbored in terms of talent, but I really think each of their first four picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: All guys that I think are legitimate first round talents and could have easily gone in front of those picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard to not like both the quantity and quality of this class.
[SPEAKER_02]: Were you surprised that they went to catchers back to back, especially when you have Adley, Rushman, and Samuel Bassayo coming?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or not particularly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more surprised that it's Kate and Bodine and not Luke Stevenson, because I just heard them more tied to Luke Stevenson than Kate and Bodine.
[SPEAKER_01]: but if they would have taken like Irish and Luke Stephenson, I would have been surprised at all really, especially when you factor in the Irish, like is he really catcher thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I don't remember how he was an ounce on draft day, but our board typically picks up how they were selected.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Irish selected as a catcher is interesting and then following up with Bodine is maybe interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I say this all the time, if you think these are the best players available, and I believe on our draft board,
[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys would have been the best players available, or at least in the conversation, I think it makes a ton of sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: If all of these guys pan out, it's a great problem to have trade them and get something else that you need on your team.
[SPEAKER_01]: So no issues with that for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but sigh of very much could fit it first base or DH or somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Irish could be, I mean, mostly played outfield this year anyway, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's especially this later in the process.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes a lot of sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any thoughts in the Orioles not targeting pitchers higher up?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they took Joseph Jerwa in the second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: They took Chatee Quinn right hander out of Georgia at the sixty ninth overall pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know at least among their fan base, there was a lot of clamoring for arms just because I think
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a need at the big league level.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's more of a need in the organization as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is now every single year that Mike Elias has drafted for the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have never taken a picture inside the top fifty picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just don't think they're going to take harms that high.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I could have seen doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe start in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, either at thirty one or if you really like a boy thirty seven.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a year higher on the slater to broom than I am, think it's a
[SPEAKER_02]: already pretty maxed out physically.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure there's going to be a ton of power or impact there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be more of a wild fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a young short hitter bend in your out.
[SPEAKER_02]: What did what did little slay do you?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's you know, look, he's he's a good prospect, but this high.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like called them a year ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went ten picks higher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But both guys, I don't know how much
[SPEAKER_02]: like damage, there's going to be everybody wants to copy these guys to like Corbin Carroll.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not only could I be Corbin Carroll.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but no, I mean overall they came away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean they came away with a lot of talent as you should when you have a gazillion dollars in picks to yeah it'll be interesting too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we're spending a lot of time in the Orioles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more into just giving their pick capital, but
[SPEAKER_01]: It has seemed like a lot of the times, the teams with all these extra pigs, all this bonus pool money, like they've not paned out to be as good classes as you would expect, thinking of like the raise and the royals with recent draft halls and recent years, see if the Orioles can, can knock a few of these guys out, but I guess we'll move on to the brewers at twenty.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Andrew Fisher, I guess announces a third basement, University of Indonesia.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, uh, they're trying to put him at first base and let him bang.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not, he's not even a good defensive first baseman right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or what are we doing at third base?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe they just think he's on the wrong slide up the defenses, but you're okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just let him hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a huge believer in the bat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I mean, I'll come out and say I was wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: If if he placed their base and plays it well, I was wrong on eight and Miller playing shortstop to the level he's playing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I certainly will be wrong again moving forward with some of these players, but yeah, highly skeptical that they're based profile, but not at all skeptical of what he does in the batter's box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just checks a lot of the boxes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very Michael Bush-esque for me, for Fisher, patient, selective power, contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: and that plays fine at first place.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, Bray evil at thirty two, it was fun to see the corona guys, all get stuffed pretty high.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is now the highest trio ever for a high school group of teammates, all of them inside the top thirty two.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next trio after them is not even close in terms of just like summing their draft position.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they kind of shattered that record.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in terms of like high school duo, there's still one other duo that if you just take the
[SPEAKER_01]: the pick slots and add them together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seth Hernandez and Billy Carlson are not quite the highest, but they are the only two that are both gone inside the top ten picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then some left-handed pictures that I like, JD Thompson, that feels like a slam dunk value in the second round or not a value, but like a slam dunk he fits here as a perfectly appropriate pick here, kind of expected a number of teams to like him in the second.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Frank Chiron,
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't sure exactly how high he was going to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a guy we kept kind of pushing up the board this year, started throwing harder, disspring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really knows how to spin a breaking ball, extremely young for the class.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great extension.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think like this is one of the players who it seems like the combine really helped sort of crystallize how unique some of the data was with Cairo for a lot of teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the brewer's kind of did the playbook, you expected them, then hitters up top, and then loading up on arms, you feel like they can do some positive things in a player development capacity with.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, on the high school side, two guys in Brady Ebel and Frank Cairo, and we're very young for the class, both seventeen years old still, Brady Ebel, kind of like Ethan Holiday in the sense of very prominent high school prospects, who kind of always is like waiting for them to go out
[SPEAKER_02]: dominate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And neither one of them really did that ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like the swing looks so good from the left side.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Controls the strike zone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very polished.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, a very professional.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, you know, as dad being the Dino-Ebel, the Dodgers third base coach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably more third base, I think, than shortstop, which, you know, uncoronized school with Billy Carlson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shortstop, he was already playing third base.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I'm sure the brewer will give them well, I imagine the brewer will give them a shot at shortstop see what happens, but yeah, so I'll just stop so I'll just use a case a lot of traits like and then Frank high-run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Big time helium arm this year has a lot of traits.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the brewers are going to like or clearly do like.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that they've targeted you know lower lower release high.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lefty up to ninety four can spin a slider good extension.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like a Johnny King type profile.
[SPEAKER_02]: Johnny came with the blue jays high school pick the year before so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like what they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then just really quickly, some interesting high school projection plays on day, I guess day two now, but eleven plus round range, CJ Hughes, Cooper Underwood, Gavin Lardson, California, Georgia, and California high school products, respectively.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would assume the guys in this eleven to thirteen round range are insinable territory, but the brewers also signed a number of players last year in this range as simply backup options, and so they're also a number of high school players in the seventeen plus round range for them, that I think are probably more just straight up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back up plans, but I would love to see what they can do with Ruth Underwood and Lardson specifically.
[SPEAKER_01]: So some interesting names, even for the down for me, for the birds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Twenty one Houston Astros taken Xavier Nyan's high school.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they announced them as a short stop, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: To they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of assumed he would be announced as a short stop, just considering he's he's played there a lot of assuming assuming you don't think he's going to stick there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, probably not.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think third base maybe is a third base probably best case scenario somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it goes elsewhere, but I mean, you're buying big, big, big, big left-handed power in a really patient approach to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then swing and miss that comes within and you hope you can keep it in check because you can draw a lot of walks and could hit thirty plus home runs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything comes together for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this class for me is really centered on and starts and ends with Xavier Nions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of pressure on him to carry this class.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will be curious what the signability comes out for this class because I do think after Nions, there are a lot of players the extras took.
[SPEAKER_01]: that are just a lot higher than our board indicates.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I have a lot of question marks with basically every other player and the top ten rounds here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I wonder if that is like them having to take some profiles that they could pay in a range to make sure they got nine signed or if it's just a case that we are lower than the Astros for most of their class because
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's not another player I can really point to and say I have like a ton of excitement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like all these guys are interesting in some way or another, but like even Ethan Frey, they're third round pick and then if we ranked him, three hundred plus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's very one dimensional sort of college bat with power.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe like a DH profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think there's a lot of risk here with some of the players further down the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are any guys that I'm maybe sleeping on that you like or do you view it similarly?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very very college heavy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So other than chase Mitchell.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, like you know, those guys better than I do down the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, one of the braves who shifted things up this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot of hitters with their top, what six picks, what one, two, three, four, five hitters in their top.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six picks, including Tate South, the scene, high school, shortstop with their first round pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you think of what they did?
[SPEAKER_01]: If they had taken Alex slow, D's in the first round and take South the scene in the second, I probably wouldn't have thought twice about it and would have liked it fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised to hear South the scene's name called when it was at twenty two.
[SPEAKER_01]: The braves have been really aggressive on getting their deals done early and so we have some more context for both of these picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: South the scene was a pretty significant underslot deal at twenty two and they actually saved a little bit with low D's at sixty, which I think that pick looks like a great value, just in terms of like actual
[SPEAKER_01]: Pick capital and the bonus that we know of, basically a one point three million dollars for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little more skeptical of South-A-Sine in particular, but again, pairing him with LoDs, makes me feel fine about what they did in the first two rounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you can push me to be more aggressive with South-A-Sine, but obviously Briggs McKinsey is gonna be a big over-slot name for them in the fourth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: getting him there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was one of the best available players on our board entering day two.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the brave still do find a way to add some pitching talent in the draft, even if I think for the first time in like six years now, it's a hitter with their first pick, which I think a lot of their fans were excited to see bats coming off the board early and often in short stops as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cody Miller also.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of two players drafted on night one who we did not have on the B.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: five hundred East Tennessee State short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he showed a huge jump in power production this year and also has a really impressive contact rate just on the data.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess we'll see what happens with him another like under slot pay here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think it was like a
[SPEAKER_01]: Like clearly this kind of ability was a factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should say in the third round, but yeah, just worth noting he was one of the two guys we did not have on the five hundred and on night one.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the risk with tates out the scene that your gives you some pause?
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's probably more just like there were a lot of other high school short stops on the board at this pick that I liked better or would have preferred.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guys like Josh Hammond still available, slated a run and not a short stop but still available.
[SPEAKER_01]: pretty evil, still available.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Sean Gamble was still available, Ryan Mitchell, quite James, like, takes out the scene just ranked along, like in the range with a lot of those guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just named, but for whatever reason for me personally, it's just been harder to get on board entirely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he has more power than you would think given his size, but the swing has so many moving pieces to me that am a little hesitant.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a good defender and a good athlete and can play multiple positions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just I have some questions about like what the hip power combination is going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is a smaller guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not like slater to bronze small, but I feel more confident slators pure hitting ability and defensive tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like I feel with Tates.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like Tates out the scene more than more than you, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: And certainly more than I like to brew.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's, I don't know, some people don't like bigger moving parts in swings, but.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, those people in like bogey shed in high school either.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think he can hit it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good hand eye coordination.
[SPEAKER_02]: The whole family has it like his brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: older brother Ty was a fourth round pick of the Cubs last year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Younger brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the Trio right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, I really like Ty especially.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was younger, but Tate has a lot more power than either of his brothers.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's there's power.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he and hey, like good hand eye coordination, it helps him make a lot of contact even with some bigger parts to his swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If he needs to tone it down a little bit, I'm sure he can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I think they're setting ability.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's power, TPD, like it ultimately where he ends up fitting best defensively as he gets closer to the big leagues.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can see him being like a super utility type, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's that sort of like instinctual player where he could be valuable in a number of positions.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have more questions about Alex, Lodi, some how that approach is going to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, higher up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seemed like there's a lot of
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, maybe more so like the college fans are like, how can you guys not have Alex Lydis in the first round after what he did this year and then for mock draft stuff or for rankings either one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he wants to.
[SPEAKER_01]: We bring them towards the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: We ranked him towards the back of the first round, twenty six overall and he didn't go there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was always talking about like I was wondering why we had less chatter, but clearly the industry didn't view him there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just another good reminder, like there are a lot of high performing college players, like performance and college is not the end all be all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Jake Nap, UNC fans were on us for like, why do we not have Jake Nap or entire?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or why do we not have Ryland Zebraowski at Georgia or ranked higher?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you really cannot just scout the stat line and have a good feel for where these players are going to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Lodi's more than you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is a very aggressive hitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to tone that down at the next level.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's a really impressive
[SPEAKER_01]: Athletic foundation.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's physical.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has impact.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he gets vastly underrated as a defender at short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has all the actions to stick there and be a good defender.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a great arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, it's going to come down to like what is the approach going to develop into if it does it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there are some exciting physical tools here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Royals picked after them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They go.
[SPEAKER_02]: out.
[SPEAKER_02]: The announced as an outfielder is played in field to Sean Gamble from IMG Academy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number twenty three overall five picks later with their Bobby Wood Jr.
[SPEAKER_02]: PPI pick, Josh Hammond, another high school shortstop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you like what they did?
[SPEAKER_01]: This year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved what they did because we had Josh Hammond, Mark, twenty-eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they maybe looked like not a fool at that pig.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it feels like very Royals-ish sorts of picks here, athletic, high-up side, high school hitters with some tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually prefer Hammond to gamble.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they both fit reasonably well on talent in this range.
[SPEAKER_01]: I might be a little bit more questionable about like gambles.
[SPEAKER_02]: offensive ability even get out of control for sure at times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I go back and forth though, too, because he made some really impressive adjustments over the circuit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It made a lot more contact and showed an ability to just make adjustments.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's very dynamic in terms of his running ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird because he's playing a lot of second base.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am G Academy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to wind up being a better center filter than
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, who's the senior Dean Ma, who played center field at IMG.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a short stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a short stop is a twenty twenty seven max time in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we have number three in the class is just like a really good defender.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's odd to see a high school second baseman drafted this high, but I mean, Sean Kim was played some short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's played on the left side of the infield.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's played outfield.
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, he always has looked more instinctive and natural in the outfield.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think his arm plays better from the outfield.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he can run around and I think just the baseline speed and athleticism could maybe translate nicely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Hammond is a really exciting upside play here at twenty eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, such an impressive athlete who can do it on the mound, his raw power is
[SPEAKER_01]: really impressive the way that he like goes about it on the field is fun to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very intense player.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got one of the better pure arms in the class on the left side of the infield.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he doesn't have the foot speed to stick a short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he'll slide a third base.
[SPEAKER_01]: The swing can get long at times.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some misquestions, but it's a really fun upside play there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited about both of them, even though I think there's some risk.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it doesn't work out,
[SPEAKER_02]: with Josh Hammond just put them on the mountain you have one on the mountain high school the check process is here but certainly a lot of scouts were raven about him as a as a hitter this spring
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Michael Lombardi really big stuff on the mound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another one like Lombardi as a guy who was a two-way player.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's done it on both sides in college, but his stuff is just really impressive on the mound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Been up to ninety seven, great carry, curveball sharp and hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in terms of like the stuff plus numbers that we have internally, Lombardi was one of the more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exciting pictures in the class and clearly Kansas City likes these sort of two way guys just like athletes with stuff and and tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no huge thoughts on on more players for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The board for me right now in my voice is also starting to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what about all right, we'll
[SPEAKER_02]: getting toward the end of the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll hit on obviously Metzyanky's Dodgers after that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Tigers, twenty four.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was the one where it really surprised me the direct.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're we're the one maybe the weirdest draft this year for me most surprising.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Jordan Yosen, Michael Oliveto, both have tigers, tenancies in the sense that they're like hit orish left handed hitting high school bats, but I also thought both of them were like taking a lot sooner than I expected them to go off the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Jordan Yosen was very split campy and there were some people who thought he was much more similar to Kelly and Lindsay from a year ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some others thought he was just a lot further away physically, need more power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe some more questions about like the short stop profile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Olavetto was a guy who didn't have a ton of track record on the circuit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Had a really loud fall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Has a really pretty swing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looked good this spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so like I like these players to to different degrees, but I don't know that I would have taken either of them in the top forty picks let alone both.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of interesting to me and then Nick Dumanel in the eighth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had him slated as a guy that
[SPEAKER_01]: I expected to be a top two, top three round sort of pick and for basically half the day on Monday.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Nick Dumanel and Henry Ford were the only two college hitters on our best available board that board is typically just all the high school players that get beyond their range of signability and they're starting to go to school.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not entirely sure how Nick Dumanel fell to the eighth round, whether we were just far too high in him or
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels odd to say like a college hitter had a deal and one of going the eighth round because those profiles just tend to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have liked him somewhere in the second to third round range on value, but I, again, like part of me is wondering how he felt this far, and part of me is like this feels like really great value in the eighth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this is maybe the
[SPEAKER_01]: The trickiest class for me to evaluate because I just have a lot more questions than like players on like jumping up and down about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not like this draft at all for the Tigers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I dislike what they did more than any other teams draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say I wonder if this was their plan A.
[SPEAKER_02]: or if they got their pocket picture for the first, but even still.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if they just had to quickly audible to a plan B or C, because in the draft, if you're taking a player, generally speaking, you've already have an understanding of what the deal or the parameters of the deal are going to be, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you don't want to just take a guy who you don't end up signing because you
[SPEAKER_02]: lose the pick for this year and then it disrupts everything that you're doing later on down the road the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: with your other picks, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So remember in in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in,
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Kendall George is a nice player who's an eighty-runner, center fielder, great basketball, but it's twenty-power, minimal projection to add power, pretty little guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you like them for me, I don't know, fourth round, maybe third round you take a shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the Dodgers took him at thirty six and it basically came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think from Kendall George himself that that the Dodgers were planning to take him later.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then something happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they audible to take him at thirty six and just paid him under slot because they knew they could sign him there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm wondering if something similar happened to the Tigers this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean Gamble was the guy who went one pick ahead of them to the Royal's at twenty three.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just talking about and I like Sean Gamble.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's he was forty five on our board probably ahead of where probably in the range, you know, forty five is probably right around where a lot of teams had him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing so it's not like a guy like Xavier Nyan's who was a couple picks ahead of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who you're, you know, you're pretty confident Xavier Nyan's going to be a first round pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you would say the same thing about Sean Gamble.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe they were just caught off guard and had to quickly change course.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how they ended up with Jordan Yoast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Their first round pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, yeah, I'm not really scratching my head on what they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I can see, I can see what they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took a left handed hitters who make a lot of contact.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just thought they took them too high.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yoast is eighty two on our rankings.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, like you said, he was a split camp guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were a lot of scouts who liked him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a high contact guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just not much strength, not much power.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of singles.
[SPEAKER_02]: I struggle to see a first round pick where we have him ranked.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably even higher.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, first split camp guy, probably splitting the difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's higher than where I would have him too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, fine, let's see how the draft plays out after that pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then a thirty four, Michael, all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, high school catcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like to swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a really intriguing left hand of bet.
[SPEAKER_02]: not test it a lot against top competition on the circuit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, maybe he's offense or he's maybe he's undervalued because of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's offensive traits to like questions how much power he comes into.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there is strength projection there and does he stick behind the plate or move.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's just a high school catching is always risky.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's number one, seventeen on our board.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like the player.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't like this spot where they drafted him.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, yeah, too early.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there were better players available.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't just say, oh, I like Michael Olivero's.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like the pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there's better players available, there's an opportunity cost on passing on those players.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you underslaught your first round pick, fine, I'll wait to see how the rest of it plays out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they just didn't draft players after that, who I thought,
[SPEAKER_02]: had the talent either commensurate with where they were picked or beyond where they were picked to really make up for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The one I I did like was River Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are eleven thrampic high school pitcher out at Oregon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was one of the better eleven thrown picks this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the eleven thrown seems a little bit
[SPEAKER_02]: down to me this year because usually that's okay like you're getting your first chance at not not over slot because I guess there's no slots right.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the eleventh round, but guys money that will come out of your pool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right to just spend guys on and maybe it's I don't know if it's because day two and what was day three are now one day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you just have less time to work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's quickly, but I felt that teams were playing it a little more straight up than they typically have in the past as we get the signing numbers to come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get a clear idea of like how those strategies may be compared to previous years, but
[SPEAKER_01]: did feel a little bit different to me this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the pace was part of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll all assume that they took River Hamilton and will sign him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I like that, but otherwise, yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't, uh, didn't love it this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's go to the Padre's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twenty-fifth overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't have a ton of pick capital this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: No second round pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: No extra picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go with a guy that feels very San Diego Padre's in crew's school craft.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twenty-fifth overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was curious to see if they would actually be able to take him and pay him because there's a lot of other teams around them with multiple picks who I also heard tied to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, Padre say we're going to take, we're going to take a bunch of upside.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to continue with our high school run.
[SPEAKER_01]: We love these high school lefties and they get the second best high school pitch in the class of twenty five, which to me feels very fair on value here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he feels very podries-ish to left-handed pitcher high school player.
[SPEAKER_02]: Big is an understatement enormous six foot eight left-handed pitcher power arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully the breaking ball takes a step forward, but a lot to like there.
[SPEAKER_02]: which they would love to a, but I don't think that's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll one the two way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You and Greg Amsinger can go petition the pod rays to see if it can be a two way player.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we can we can have that fall on deaf ears.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tools and enough side with later picks as well, Ryan Wydenman, really impressive athlete, big league frame, big power speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the offensive line that he had with Western Kentucky this year is indicative of the sort of pro hitter I expect him to be at the next level, but I think in the third round, just the power speed combination you're getting here is a solid value.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we had him ranked maybe, twenty year spots higher, twenty so spots higher on our board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Salina in the fourth round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hugh John talent had TJ this spring only through seventeen innings.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been up to a hundred miles per hour with the fastball and then Ty Harvey also feels fairly.
[SPEAKER_01]: San Diego Padre's ish physical catcher with power and arm strength, risky profile in general for some teams, but a chance to have a couple carrying tools there with Harvey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are kind of the, the standouts for me for the podries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Podries, or excuse me, Philly's picked after them, twenty-six, they get gauge wood from Arkansas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know just doing the live show with Peter and Jacob.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were, they were raven about this picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: You, did you love it as, as much as they did, were, or were you out on what they did?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think gauge wood fits on talent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Were they anywhere from fifteen plus?
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a real fast ball that misses bats as great shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a power breaking ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the way Lance Brustowski on the network broke down just the combination of power and death that he's able to get on that pitch was just showed you maybe how much of an outlier sort of breaking ball it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot harder of a curve ball than you typically get and
[SPEAKER_01]: In the thirty seven industry through this year, he was just dominant from like a peripheral perspective as a forty six percent strikeout rate.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't walk in a batters.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I do think there's some question marks here with wood, which is why I think he's available at twenty six.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Phillies have been perfectly willing to take some of these profiles that have a little bit of risk, but grab the best talents they see available on the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot of medical questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does not have a long track record of throwing strikes to this degree that he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I do wonder ultimately what sort of command and control he's going to show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is a fair pick for the twenties.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're getting a lot of ups out here and I think it comes with a lot of risks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to gosh about it because I understand like why he's available here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if he stays healthy, which I think is a reasonable question mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could have a picture that fits more closely to some of the guys who went in front of him than where he went.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably lean more toward what you're saying than what Jacob and Peter were.
[SPEAKER_02]: because I think the stuff is- Take that, Youngins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take that, Young kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I agree that, you know, when he's out there on the mound, the stuff is really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we disagree about the quality of stuff coming out of his hands.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he's out there, when he's healthy, but he did have a shoulder injury this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was a starter really for the first time after being a real lever.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last two seasons and he threw thirty seven and two thirds innings over ten starts.
[SPEAKER_02]: So under four innings, per start.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if if somebody really like jumped up and grabbed him in the top fifteen picks, I wouldn't love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get him at the back of the first round, give him the upside.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think sometimes we get
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, enamored over a guy like a, you know, a Jaden Hill or a Reggie Crawford coming out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh my god, like this guy, I saw this.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had the best stuff I saw on the cape.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's through like an inning or two there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like these guys who have, you know, especially a shoulder or elbow issue and then very limited track record of being able to have the durability to start over three years
[SPEAKER_02]: of college.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it can work out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be like Walker Bueller, Kate Horton is looking pretty good right now, but I just, I see more, I don't know, I have more concerns with the risk maybe than the people who are our highest or most excited about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very picture-heavy draft here for the Phillies as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: They went straight pitcher through the first eight rounds, took Matthew for our high school, shorts up at a New Jersey in the ninth, and then another pitcher in Kokili in the tenth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Matthew Fisher in the seventh, I assume, is gonna be a fairly big overslaught pay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had him right around a hundred on our Jeff board, really loud, fastball, slider combination with him, older for the class, but I don't think that it's too big of a concern on the pitching side, at least I'm not too bothered by it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Cody Balker's fastball, VaynerBut right hand in pitcher in the third round, good riding life from a lower slot for Balker, and then the one pick that I thought was really,
[SPEAKER_01]: confusing to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then clearly we're just lower on him than some other places.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know Jim Callis over at MLB pipeline had paid over Mueller ranked a lot higher than we did, but he's a really small left-hand pitcher from Iowa.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, one of the lighter listed players we have in the classics, foot, hundred and seventy pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a sinker slider combination from a really low slot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of deception, but I just
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder about the upside here for open roller at the pro level.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have some questions about that pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure if you share those concerns at all, but I thought that was a little high for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think they've got some other interesting arms between Fisher and Balker and Brian Walters and the eighth round.
[SPEAKER_02]: So well, the guardians picked at twenty seven and it seemed like their draft was
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything we were expecting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just how we drew it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Guys who swing and miss big tools all the huge power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they like the heck with Cleveland.
[SPEAKER_02]: They stopped the slide though for
[SPEAKER_02]: for J. Slavvy led.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, is this, did they?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, kind of expected him to go somewhere in this range.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's just kind of where he played himself to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, I guess depending, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, how do you want to phrase it?
[SPEAKER_02]: They got him.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got him off the board.
[SPEAKER_02]: They kept him in the first round.
[SPEAKER_02]: J. Slavvy led was a, a first round pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did not drop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jason Laviolet and Nolan Schubert to be Cleveland Guardians this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: They feel very non Cleveland-esque.
[SPEAKER_01]: And really, I think I like Cleveland's draft in terms of talent, both Jason Laviolet at twenty seven, Dean Curley, shorts up at Tennessee at sixty four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nolan Schubert, even who I, it's a really dicey profile for me, but at one at one, it seems like a lot of by-low.
[SPEAKER_02]: types, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'd be like early, like early was we thought would be a first round pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a lower on it, and then the consensus, but assumed you would probably be a first round pick now to be available here at the back of the set.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you assume for Trump pick draft day or do you sing like earlier?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean earlier in the year where it's then the season played out.
[SPEAKER_01]: more special relations popped up with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was really curious to see where curly was going to go on draft day because as a draft eligible sophomore, I wondered at what point was it going to be the Henry Ford route with him where he's just going to run it back in school and try to have a better season and try to next year as like a true junior.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think he still could like do you think I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Cleveland's going to get him signed and I think if he looks at all the other hitters who have tried that,
[SPEAKER_01]: He probably should be better off just signing at sixty four this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe Tennessee can put together some ungodly and I'll package.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would be one on the short list of colleges that could put together something pretty large, but.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a one point three eight million dollar slot value.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he should just probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't take that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if Cleveland is trying to sign him on super under slot, I assume it's already worked out if Dean expects to get slot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that he can expect to get one point three million dollars on a single year and I'll deal even it's in a sea that
[SPEAKER_01]: That feels very rich to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have to get all of it though.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now and then you go back like even if he signed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at Ryan Brager.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a hit or verse pitcher.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's different.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I'll pull up and see how often Cleveland has not signed one of their players inside the top ten rounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, until I hear otherwise, I've got to assume these guys are signing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think you're right, but I also think if I'm Tennessee and I see where he went, and I'm like, hey, like what can we do to get this back like what kind of, what kind of moves can we make to really get college player?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, if you're Tennessee, you should try that, but don't they have a lot of other really good short stops in their team now from the high school side?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to have a pretty good lineup regardless, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't see it's top ten round guy for the Cleveland, but they haven't signed yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in twenty nineteen now, just kind of scanning back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different world now.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do think if you wanted to say, hey, I wanted to speculate and say, because of the faster pace of this year on the second day of the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: teams might get the the error rate for teams in their signability could be lower and this current set up of the draft and then previously you don't have a day before every little run of rounds to to get things locked in whether to get sloppy or you get overly aggressive
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see that, but yeah, I will let you know if I find a single player, the Guardians haven't signed top ten rounds, but if you have any other thoughts in the class other than like on a more serious note, like it does feel like power is something that Cleveland found one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twenty thirteen, Ross Kivet, Kansas State, did not sign tenth round in Cleveland's twenty thirteen draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a lot of digging back to
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know me very thorough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but power clearly is something they're prioritizing more than previous drafts with Cleveland or we just think that some of the guys that have decided them happen to have more power and other more to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like I'm kind of reimagining what feels like a Cleveland pick in my mind in real time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is it just betting on guys with
[SPEAKER_02]: better track records from previous years who maybe had it down spring, but they think and bounce back with either something they can fix or maybe they just thought they had bad luck.
[SPEAKER_02]: This spring or just ran into a cold stretch that's going to turn around with a bigger, bigger sample size.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That all could make sense too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very interesting draft for Cleveland though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, skip.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's our last real first round picks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not not given any credit to a. No, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just regret the final five.
[SPEAKER_01]: All teams of the first picks and and for all this.
[SPEAKER_01]: PPI.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Skip on to the meds.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Matt's thirty eight taking taking Mitch voice seemed like there was a lot of chatter that he could go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Top two rounds, like on a on an underslaught deal, probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it he might have already, I think he actually has signed now as we just recorded this, but what did you, what do you think of what the, the met's did?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the Metz did not have a lot of pit capital.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did not have a bonus money to work with so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, that I don't know if it's been reported, but it sounds like that that signing bonus is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, one seven five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one seven five two five seven slots.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so about a hundred thousand dollars of savings there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't particularly love this draft class for the Mets.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe we're a little lighter on Mitch Voitte.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't rank him inside the top one hundred.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did hear that he was getting some second third round buzz on draft day.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the Mets really liked him and don't have a second round pick, maybe you feel like you need to take him here at thirty eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also in Tonya, who men is their third round pick, like we had him ranked four hundred plus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like maybe this is a player we just had ranked two low or the Mets
[SPEAKER_01]: like him better than we do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he did have a better offensive season.
[SPEAKER_01]: This spring was central Florida than he did a year ago with Miami.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're picking once in the top hundred picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't really like your draft class relative to all the other ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: So more talking about grading these teams on a scale, given their pick capital.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine it's like fairly low expectations for what the mess we're going to be able to bring together.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Cam Tilly in the seventh round is interesting to some degree.
[SPEAKER_01]: He spent so ninety seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Truman Polly right hand a picture out of Harvard in the twelfth round has some really interesting fastball shape traits to like, but
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I was the Met's out of, out of rather taking a shot on another hit or with my first overall pick probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: It does, it does make sense for what the Met's have been, I guess going back to last year, targeting like Carson Bange, very high in zone contact guy, good swing decisions, like Mitch Void, very high contact, probably, you know, not empty,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, slaps hitting singles guy, but more hit over power, I would say, with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of guys at the brewers used to take when starting with the brewers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, thirteen percent strike I read this year, fifteen point three percent walk rate.
[SPEAKER_01]: good contact skills across the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he has solid tools across the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a good runner.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a big arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been up to ninety three on the mound in the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: Younger to for, you know, he's still twenty years old, so younger for a college junior.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think the data.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure looks very good.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, it is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also a lot different when you're putting up those numbers and, you know, the big ten compared to
[SPEAKER_02]: the SEC, just a caliber of arms is significantly better in the SEC, but yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I like to pick a little bit more than you did, I guess, but it'll little less room for them to maneuver.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same with the Yankees, obviously it's thirty-nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pickin' there and then not pickin' again until one-o-three.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the third round, but the first rounder, Dex Killby, high school shortstop from Georgia, what did you think of what they did?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like I like the Yankees class a little more than the Metz, and a lot of ad is just because I took players that our board had in a little bit more favorable, Spost, Dex Killby as a guy who clearly was getting a lot of steam down the stretch.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like both Killby and Mitch Foyt were kind of up era players leading up to the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: I happened to like Killby a little bit more,
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think he's a really impressive hitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: The swing is really smooth and easy, loose.
[SPEAKER_01]: His approach has always been fairly impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: The pitch recognition is advanced for his age.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's
[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit to dream on with the body with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more hit over power now, but I think he can grow into solid game power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not a short stop for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot of work to do with the arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's dealt with some arm injuries.
[SPEAKER_01]: The slot is not supernatural, but you can run around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you can play the outfield, but I like to hit power for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like some guys that took further on in the draft pico cone was a solid performer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the ninth round I think Blake Gillespie at UNC Charlotte was really curious to see where he would go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought if him was like this kind of like six to ten round bucket somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really I used his slider.
[SPEAKER_01]: But his performance this spring was was pretty tremendous.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been up to ninety five.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the breaking ball is a real weapon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like some of the names here.
[SPEAKER_01]: to a greater degree than the Met's trap, but a lot of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just me liking Kielby a little bit more than, though, to be fair, Kielby was also a little bit of an overdraft based on, like, purely where he ranked on our board.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had a more than, like, third round range.
[SPEAKER_02]: So probably, you know, there's a lot, type two where you can get them under the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, okay, some of these other guys more later on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think so, but then you also look down and you're like, who's the player who's getting all the money?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he was the only high school player in their class, everyone else's college.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe he'll be just had a lot of potential landing spots around him.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankees really like him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a great read on whether or not that'll be over or under.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have like, he'll be for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's going to hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was like a
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably maybe like a more than where the perceived gap might be from where we have them right to where he went.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I like to, I like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then finish it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dodgers picking it to forty back to back forty forty one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Keeping it in Arkansas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lefty Zach Root.
[SPEAKER_02]: Charles Dovele on how to feel there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cameliter, I think a really interesting pick, second-rounder from Florida State, right-handed pitcher who just hasn't pitched, did injury, some interesting high school guys after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously some limitations to where they're who's gonna be available for them when you're picking at forty overall as your first pick, but what did you make of what they did?
[SPEAKER_02]: What was available to them?
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the Dodgers craft quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mostly because I think they just were still able to capture a lot of upside, a lot of tools, a lot of stuff, despite where they were picking.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to get Cam lighter stuff at sixty five, you have to have some sort of question mark in with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like they're a big health question marks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I used to run a bullpins before the draft like a week before the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's back in throwing, which is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers seem to really have no issues or fears taking pictures like Camliter with big stuff, but injury questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Landon Vitterrec is definitely a reach for us in terms of just where he's at on the BA board versus where they took him in the third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he does have really loud secondary tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a lot of power.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a runner.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to get throwing arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think he can hit in any capacity, he has a chance to be an impactful player.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a guy that
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably is not going to be ranked to highly on a lot of public boards, but does have some real tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think eight in West with the Dodgers specifically is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're fourth round pick, a high school shortstop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not a shortstop for me at a Maryland and then Mason Legenza, a high school player at a Pennsylvania, huge frame, six foot six, two hundred and ten pounds, big raw power, chance to have
[SPEAKER_01]: even more in the future runs well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So big power speed, physical.
[SPEAKER_01]: hitter to dream on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are some players that are kind of interesting with the Dodgers player development chops in particular.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny because Zach Root and Charles Davalan, who they took forty forty one, feel like kind of boring, stock, safeish college profiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they loaded up on some tools and some upside after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Zach Root, I think at forty is, is really solid value.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well-rounded, pitch mix could feel for the second areas above average control, performance in the SEC, multiple years of performance as I started before that at ECU.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just super well-rounded, nothing plus, and then Davalan really allowed contact quality, maybe some of the best contact skills in the class, and in Kate and Bodine, more hit over power, but can run around a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can play center that would be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a chance maybe he's like a left field profile, which would put some more pressure on him unlocking some power, but it's funny to think of like them taking what I see as like safe is college profiles first and then loading up on some some rough side and risky plays later.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know Jacob will really like the Zach root pick.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a lefty with a throws hard, but his fastball doesn't get a lot of swing and miss, but then it's a pretty deep pitch mix of stuff that does get empty swings on a lot of different other pitches, a couple breaking balls, a change up as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not all that different to like what I've you Parker Messick as coming out of college like a very strong strike thrower with quality secondaries.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fast ball is just kind of a fine pitch.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I wonder if the Dodgers or anybody else that would have drafted him can figure out a way to tweak something about his fastball to, because there's velocity there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's up to ninety eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: He started throwing a little harder to, he was like sitting ninety three this year, which is rock solid for a lefty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I wonder if there's something they can do to,
[SPEAKER_02]: make a small adjustment, maybe that helps us fastball play a little bit better with a grip adjustment release adjustment, something in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause I, you know, like I like, you know, a really appealing fastball shape too, but I think sometimes it makes a little bit too big of a deal of it with pictures sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's like the static fastball movement profile, they will have for the rest of their life and they will never change.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But and I think of of the high school guys yeah, Mason legends is really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just big frame audit tools there to.
[SPEAKER_02]: build upon and then hope everything comes together so I was always surprised he was like a Pittsburgh commit because he seems like one of the bigger I guess I don't know his respect to Pittsburgh just feel like he could get a lot of shot fired you know SEC type schools but you know obviously Pennsylvania
[SPEAKER_02]: guy they were on him early and now sounds like they're gonna be not in the campus anyway so unfortunate for them but yeah he's an interesting guy to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's every team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any final thoughts, Ben, or I think two hours and forty minutes isn't enough for the people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, those part one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're going to do the eleven to twenty eighth round picks for every team and then we'll be monologuing by himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: How will not be joining him on that podcast?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we got our twenty twenty six board up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Top one hundred for twenty twenty six.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got our by time.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should have our top two hundred high school player update for twenty twenty six as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's interesting is the Eli well it will Eli will it's cruise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry Eli will it's steel hall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cruise schoolcraft three first round picks were all previously in the twenty twenty six class as was quite young who went in the second round.
[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously Eli will, it's one, one, one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if I'm, if I'm putting them in our twenty twenty six board, he's going behind for sure, Rock Chalowski.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great reclass this isn't Eli.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's creating great Emerson.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going behind Jacob Blumbar, two high school short stops.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is going to be a really good drafts next year, especially
[SPEAKER_01]: with rock in six sounds and saying with rock in the bottom of the better.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the better college position player prospects we've seen in years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he, I think he is like one of the best college shortstop prospects since Dan's we swans in in our experiment in the twenty fifteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I scan back just at the top shortstop options.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some good players.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chickabelson, Nick Magigal,
[SPEAKER_01]: But like in terms of well-rounded profile tool set upside impact defense, like he checks all of the boxes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the high school class seems utterly absurd right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, really, really like the high school class.
[SPEAKER_02]: College class seems solid after rock, I don't know if it's like.
[SPEAKER_01]: The college class, the more I've dug into the college class so far, beyond rock, I got a lot of questions about those dudes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's some real
[SPEAKER_01]: Real holes they need to figure out before next year, but I'm all in on the high schoolers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a guy's good pro like we do have we do have good we do have more good college short stops.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, they have some questions, but like Justin Lebron or Tyler Bell.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, those are too pretty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those guys could both be top ten.
[SPEAKER_02]: overall picks and teams are going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they keep hitting and then LeBron's keeps keeping.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Derek Curry all just eats all off season, I could easily see him in that range too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: He seems like the kind of guy who could eat all off season and not get a balance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's, I mean, our super talented hitter and really instinctive defender too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, excited to see him slide over to center field and play that next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hit the road for a lot of East Coast Pro area codes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, East Coast and area codes will be my big ones.
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