[SPEAKER_00]: consequence podcast network.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is Susanna Hoffs doing the story behind the song on consequence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome listeners to the story behind the song.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Peter Choddy of Deep Cuts Media.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this week's episode, and as we near the end of season four of the story behind the song, I interviewed the great Susanna Hoffs, singer, songwriter, and guitarist of one of the great bands of the nineteen eighties, The Bangles.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Bengals are a band that painted with an extremely broad and eclectic musical brush.
[SPEAKER_00]: Recording songs that range from serious nineteen sixties, Laurel Canyon as vibes, with songs like Hero Takes a Fall and Simon and Garfunkel's Hazel's shade of winter to the whimsical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the number one pop smash, walk like an Egyptian, and Prince's Manic Monday.
[SPEAKER_00]: But today, Susanna and I tackle a very different spectrum of their painted rainbow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her nominated nine power ballad eternal flame, the second number one song by the band, amidst an endless string of iconic hits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Susanna discusses the song's origins, which was the band's pilgrimage to Elvis's Graceland where, at the time, the king's eternal flame was actually extinguished.
[SPEAKER_00]: We also discussed the politics of choosing songs for an album by one of the most democratic of bands that featured four highly talented and multifaceted individual artists who all wrote, sang, and played.
[SPEAKER_00]: We also discussed Suzanne's greatest moment on stage with just happened in the past few months.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to tell you about it here, you'll just have to listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So take a listen as we dive deep into Susanna Huff's telling the story behind the bangles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one smash ballad eternal flame.
[SPEAKER_00]: As long she just recently revisited and released.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a huge bangles fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I lived in LA in Laurel Canyon during that time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, it was a great time wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and Laurel Canyon is so special.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, think of all the artists.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's been so many documentaries like Joni, Mitchell, and Graham Nash footage of them writing songs, and yeah, it's like an iconic part of LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool that you got to live there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're talking about music today, obviously, but I wore this shirt because a little bird has told me that you are a big movie fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, you are also, you're a movie fan yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask you about that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your mom was a filmmaker.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've starred in several different films and you are married to a filmmaker.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think film and music were always driving forces in terms of creativity, like things that I aspire to, not so much being an actor, but just getting so many ideas from movies that sort of funneled their way into songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: not apples to apples kind of direct but just how it's all about storytelling and inside of every song is a story to some degree and I think that just there is something even from when I was a little girl and I'd go to our local library and I'd get lost in these books that were often about like
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, little kids who wanted to, you know, like, almost like Harry Potter books, but pre-Harry Potter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like what your imagination can take you places that you never thought you could go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I guess I just love the stories inside of songs and movies, and that's been a, have fueled sort of creativity in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we get into talking about the story behind this song, Eternal Flame, because that's the show goes deep into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're also, you just recently published your first book, I think it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I had been going to the library, my mom would take my brothers and me there, and I started really early, loving to read and loving to disappear into a story.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, somebody else's story, but finding ways to relate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think
[SPEAKER_02]: Songs do that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there are stories inside of songs, and that's why we love music.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those of us who do, and that's why we connect, whether it's a song that makes you cry or a song that you want to, you play it, you're wetting, or that's
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, in a way, connects me back to eternal flame because when I was writing that song with Billy Steinberg and Tom Kelly, there was just something about me telling the story of the Bengals at Graceland, do standing and kind of recreating the spinal tap for people who don't know spinal tap.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a fictional band.
[SPEAKER_02]: But those of us in the music business, spinal tap is the most accurate version of what it's like to be in a band.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the Delhi trade, there's so many scenes, but there was the psychonic scene set at the Garden of Memories, when the Bengals were in Memphis and doing the tour, which all bands have to do, of Graceland.
[SPEAKER_02]: That day, and it leads me to a turnoff line, because that day, it was rainy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when we went to the garden of memories, the eternal flame was actually out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: The rain had needed so that it'd gone out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not so eternal on that day.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when I came home to LA and I was due to have a writing session with my pal, Billy Steinberg,
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we were, I was just telling him that I just come back from the tour, and I got to go to Grace Land, and there was this eternal flame, and we were standing around recreating the spinal tap moment, and, but what, but then he stopped me, he said, stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eternal flame.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great name for a song, and I'm like, yeah, actually it is, and right then and there, we worked on the lyrics, and then we drove over the hill,
[SPEAKER_02]: to where Tom Kelly Studio was and Tom started playing some stuff and then we just created the song that day.
[SPEAKER_02]: It happened really fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that and I love getting right into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that answers that question that the lyrics first came and then the music came.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you had this poem essentially.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was instigated by your trip to Memphis.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that the interim flame was out, a little dose of spinal tap that's thrown in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you had written this poem together, and then you went to put some music around it.
[SPEAKER_00]: How long did that whole process take?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so fast when Tom started moving into the same name, Sunshine's through the rain, that those two things that are actually, it's a weird form.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to say it's a weird form.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a slightly,
[SPEAKER_02]: less than typical form for a song where you have a verse and a chorus because that is this burning any turn of flame that is the book into the verse.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the little couplet that happens when the close eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to try to sing it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love it if you say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so we had the form of it was quite simple and to the point, but it's the same my name, essentially through the rain parts that kind of breaks open
[SPEAKER_02]: When I just remember, so vividly, when that came to pass, the three of us were sitting there and Tom just went to some court progression and it was that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Billy's lyrics and what we had worked on, the three of us, it all just kind of coalesced in that moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: To have that same name, sunshine through the rain, a whole life so lonely than you come in these the pain that I don't want to lose this feeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and then there's there's a little guitar solo and then it repeats that
[SPEAKER_02]: whatever you want to call it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like a typical course.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like a bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love bridges and songs because they're kind of like the left turn that you don't expect.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the form of it, maybe it's a typical form.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for me, I just, the minute that that section, that bridge section was created, it just, it felt so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: when we got to that place.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's many years ago now, probably thirty years ago or something, that we were all sitting there together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it kind of happened really fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, it was sort of done on that day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, then there was a long delay where it was, I guess, waiting to pitch it like the other girls in the band.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were all, we all kind of, I think on that third album, the Everything Album, which I believe it's eternal time is on that album.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So everybody had everybody with sort of burnt out and we just come back from a tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: So everybody took a little bit of space to get gave each other space to go off and write.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I was really proud.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still have the cassette of somewhere in a box because it was cassette back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not even DVDs or CDs, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for writing on something, it was a cassette.
[SPEAKER_02]: I brought it to the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all met up.
[SPEAKER_02]: David Seagerson was going to be that we had worked with David Con twice on the first two records.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we were looking for a change.
[SPEAKER_02]: And David came in and he had a whole different kind of way of doing things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we really needed that change.
[SPEAKER_02]: for whatever reason, just the process.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he brought this really lovely energy to everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was very, I loved how literate he was in terms of books.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a lot, we had a lot of things we both loved, like novels and films and different things that were not necessarily exactly about music, but we really connected.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so when it was time for the period of writing and turning in music
[SPEAKER_02]: to sit around as a group with our new producer and sort of go well I wrote these four songs and I wrote these three songs and or more and and kind of do the hard kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how you would describe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was always a little stressful in a way because we had so much time on the road together, it was like living on top of each other to this month of autonomy where we were like, our mission is to go out right songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we all wanted to write with different people because I had written a lot with the other band members in particular with Vicki.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this was like a big new era for the bangles to like reach out beyond just the band.
[SPEAKER_02]: for so long.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, sorry if this is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but I'm myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm recounting that period.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to continue on.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so was this really the process had changed for the first time really on album three when it was more like going outside the bangles and Susanna Hoffs is going out there with trying to explore new territory with a different group.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then your bandmates, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so everybody needed that autonomy having sort of lived on top of each other, going from album cycles to touring cycles to, you know, being on the road and coming home and being giving this little grace period to kind of come up with stuff for the next album and that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there was more of a sense of the individual bangles all four of us going off and feeling like
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, instead of writing with each other, let's go and just have some different method to the madness and reach out to other people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we did.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we all came back together and we all sort of threw our songs into the, like,
[SPEAKER_02]: into the, onto the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, then was the hard decision, again, like a, channeling back to what I said, of like picking the ten songs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Say it was about ten songs for album back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eight to ten.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, eternal flame was not chosen by the committee.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, because it was three, it gets lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's okay, but I was like, I was so,
[SPEAKER_02]: I was sad, I was a little hurt, I was heartbroken, but I thought, okay, it didn't get picked.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not gonna be on the album.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can accept that.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a band.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we make group decisions, and we're playing by the rules that we set.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were working on the album, and then cartway into the album, David said, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a way to do a trophy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really, I love the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe in you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like he was very upbeat about it, but he was a little clandestine.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not the way to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't super secretive.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just said, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I want to explore an arrangement for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's this guy, Phil Chanel, this great keyboard player.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go over there and just mess around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I,
[SPEAKER_02]: was holding this song would have a shot at least of getting it on their album and so we did just that and
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was more of a keyboard arrangement initially.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the Bengals version, it's the part that might have been on a keyboard was done on a guitar.
[SPEAKER_02]: That little back and forth sort of, what do you call it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a, not a merry-ground, like a music box, a music box melody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very, very calming and smooth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And anyway, ultimately, about I would say halfway to possibly even three quarters of the way in the studio, David and me and Phil had given us the arrangement.
[SPEAKER_02]: We went ahead and recorded the arrangement, and it was really special to go finally to have
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, the band having faith in the song and stuff and just go and sing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I so remember like it was because we we didn't have for each of us we had decided that instead of all of us sitting in the control room listening to the other person do their sing their songs we let and this was a David thing we let each girl have a day during the week or two days
[SPEAKER_02]: in the week to do their stuff alone with a producer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just what we had gotten to back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: We weren't like sitting there watching each other lay down vocals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fascinating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're talking about the committee.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're all off doing your thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you get to committee meeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does that look like?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you go over to your house and get some cups of coffee and then everybody like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Walk us all through what that process is like.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't have absolute clear memories of the band being in the room, dab it and going through the songs because
[SPEAKER_02]: We had been through so much in a way and it wasn't something negative.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were just fried from the cycle of studio recording on the road, studio on the road, a lot of on the road and some studio.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was everybody was sort of living
[SPEAKER_02]: like you're in camp, but you can't escape camp, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like summer camp that doesn't end.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're sort of in this mode of like sort of meaning to be individual human beings, not bangle band members.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think David wisely said, let's not have a committee sitting in the control room watching the other person
[SPEAKER_02]: perform the vocal on their song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's have them do it after we've tracked the record and all of us in our room playing in isolation booths or whatever we needed to do to get the track recorded.
[SPEAKER_02]: The music track.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when the person's going to go in and sing their song, we're going to do it at night.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to have whiskey for this person, a bottle of wine for that person, nothing but that lot of that person.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really knew that we were sort of fry from the experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're a sort of like a family that's not an actual family, although Vicki and Debbie were sisters.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was smart to do that because bands get burned out when they're heading towards a decade of traveling together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's possible that when we were doing the David Con records, my memory, those two albums, different light and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, usually we were all in the studio and sometimes you poke your head in and someone was singing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was death.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was smart to kind of say, you guys are fried.
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys have been forced together for so long when you're doing your vocal, it's you and me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the producer, you're the, you're the bangles, who's up to back at standing out of microphone.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want you to feel comfortable and, and, you know, to have to be able to do your best performances.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was, that was how we did that album.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and that was true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though a eternal flame was recorded, you know, hadn't been picked.
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, to be put on the album.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got the same grace as everyone else when they were doing their songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wasn't sitting there like no one was sitting there with their arms crossed like under a microscope seeing what their bandmate was doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that was smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that we had earned that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were still in our twenties, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: That alone.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in our twenties and we're like, we're seeing thirty on the horizon, but we're not there yet, you know, and we were still young women and it was the death it couldn't have been more
[SPEAKER_02]: more wonderful I mean he just understood that we needed personalized attention and we didn't need a committee watching the other people do their you know do their solo on the guitar you know it was I mean when we would track it would often would be with everybody but when I'm when it came to vocals I I feel like his instincts were really good
[SPEAKER_02]: And we all needed that autonomy in the studio, just Beverly Jones, who was our engineer and David and whoever was singing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He sounds like a very positive force overall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's such a wonderful human being.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: your first two albums, you wanted to change the sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how would you describe a part from doing a different kind of process where you're out on your own and really striking out with a different group of people to write?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the sound that you wanted to experiment or extend with with the new producer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the approach was realizing that the band with somewhat had been somewhat afraid after the first two records.
[SPEAKER_02]: We needed a little, we needed someone with a slightly different energy, or vastly, or vastly different energy, who had been a songwriter in musician himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: and who knew the drill and had a kind of temperament and grace about him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was very intellectual guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really, really adore David.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not that, I mean, I actually had great experiences with David Contu.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got along extremely well with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was a good moment for David to step in the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you look at the behind the music that there is on the, you see, this is the story behind the song.
[SPEAKER_02]: The behind the music I actually just revisited just a little moment from that in our episode, talking about eternal flame, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was, yeah, we needed a different, for lack of a kind of,
[SPEAKER_02]: overused word.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did we needed a producer with a different energy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean I would imagine just a mere fact of okay tell them number three let's shake it up a little bit you know just like anything life.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's always good to reimagine things a little bit and try new things and experiment with new things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I think David was just what the doctor ordered to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was such an intellectual, he's a music lover like the rest of us, and he had a great way of, you know, parsing out, you know, each person's time so that
[SPEAKER_02]: that there wasn't like a committee sitting there watching, which, you know, I thought that was very smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that wasn't always the case in other, other recording situations.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it was, it was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you, you recorded eternal flame.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, everybody, we're talking about eternal flame.
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, it was the number one smash.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great song from album number three.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also because Susanna has reimagined it, and just recently released a new version of it, and we'll talk a little bit more about that, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So did you did everybody before the committee?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you all get a chance to record with David in the studio?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have the committee meeting or was the committee meeting beforehand?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that, okay, this is going back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go deeper than behind the scenes and VH one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hear you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: We all went off and took a few months.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember how long it was to just write.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone went scattering in different directions.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was no co-rites that I can maybe there was a couple, but I'd have to look at the song list.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we primarily went and wanted to write with other people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that was just sort of a growing point in our journey as bangles.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then once everybody came in and we each had like,
[SPEAKER_02]: for songs, something, hoping, you know, knowing that not all of them might get picked.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so enough for an album, you know, like you want about ten songs that was four girls in the band.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you could do the math.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm terrible enough, but you get the gist.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and there was so much equality in the bangles.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was like a very strong
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, wasn't like there's a lead singer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like everybody's a singer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's a writer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's a player.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So everybody went their separate rays and then we all came down and we have like a big committee meeting and everybody played their demo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, the demo.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all you did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so the demo was you played the demo and then you would make the list of what songs were actually going to be recorded.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, we would all track those songs together and then whoever wrote it,
[SPEAKER_02]: In every case, in that record, they would also sing lead on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would be the lead vocal since everybody in the Bengals sings.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's how we did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd have to look at the song list from that album, which you probably have in front of you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there were my, everybody had about three songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that ended up on the album.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as part of this equality, was it kind of the general philosophy of the band that no matter how strong everybody songs were?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that, okay, you have a pen track.
[SPEAKER_00]: So no matter how if even if Susanna had five songs that were amazing, you still were limited to two point five, three songs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that kind of how it was?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's basically what?
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: I could look at the everything album really quick and I'd have to find it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So would some of the other songs then that you loved that went to your solo albums?
[SPEAKER_02]: That would have happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just trying to find what was on the third record in real time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in your room is with the opening track.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great song.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was something that I wrote with Billy and Tom then complicated girl, which was a Michael Steele song, then Belljar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of them might have been co-writes.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of Michael songs were always written by her and her friend, so not a bank.
[SPEAKER_02]: Her and a non-bango.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bell jar was a Vicki song, something to believe in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe was a Michael steel song, a journal flame was me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be with you with Debbie's song, glitter years was Michael's song.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll set you free, was one of mine with
[SPEAKER_02]: That was with Eric Loan and Dan Navarro.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that was a non-Billy and Tom one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watching the sky was everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that was Vicki.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might have written, some of these I might have co-written.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like waiting for you was me and Billy and Tom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Crash and burn was a Vicki song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Waiting for you was a me, Billy and Tom song.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll set you free with me and Dan Navarro.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: be with you Debbie wrote with a friend of hers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so everybody was writing with somebody else that was a non-bangle.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess we had gone, we were in, you know, we're heading towards ten years and we're like, you know, it's time to open it up a little.
[SPEAKER_00]: And once you had eternal flame in the can, so you had recorded it, did everybody know that, yeah, there was something magical about this song?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it wasn't released until I was like the third single release.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure on the album.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure it was the, like, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it became one of one of the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it was also like really big in Europe and the UK, you know, it was really, it was really quite something how it took off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot of Scandinavian countries.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, all over Europe and
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what's so interesting about your music is that, first of all, the democracy of it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's quite rare that it's that democratic like that, and that everybody is a songwriter, everybody's a singer, and everybody's a player, which is really a magical thing, that's a very cool thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's also amazing is just the range of the bangles, because you have songs like Hero takes a fall,
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these are all amazing songs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go all the way to the whimsical, which is more like walk like an Egyptian, and then you have a ballad like this, like this song that we're talking about eternal flame, that's so the range of it probably is a reflection of the democracy of it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, to some degree, yeah, certainly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, Vicki tended to write things that had a kind of pretty strong leaning towards rock and roll.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was kind of always drawn to melody that like songs that I grew up singing along to Dusty Springfield and Dion Warwick songs and songs with like a lot of melody and a lot of emotion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, so I grew up like training myself by singing along over and over again, or I already mentioned, Joni Mitchell, but like very much drawn to melody and things that were really emotional.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was less rock and roll.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I was more of a like drawn to pop music.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't mean like there's so many versions of what you would call pop music.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the pop music of the nineteen sixties had a very strong effect on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And and still does, you know, I was still going down listening to the on-world work, doing birthback, how David songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like you just those melodies and those lyrics are just unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they really are.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're amazing and so ripe for reimagining themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so let's get into a little bit of the reimagination of eternal flame and why now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why, at this point, did you decide to do this project?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just learned for the first time that there's a reimagination of multiple songs happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just got approached by somebody who became a very good new friend, and it was through Carla, my manager, who's so wise and wonderful, who I believe put me together with this guy, CJ, who
[SPEAKER_02]: has a string quartet called Y Music that he is in charge of and he's a trumpet player and a very musical guy and I was just approached to say like, would you want to go up to Jonathan?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Jonathan Wilson's house up in the hills and he's got a studio and
[SPEAKER_02]: There's equipment there and maybe we just, you could re-sing some of these for funds, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I just started got hooked in the process because they're all songs I love.
[SPEAKER_02]: The songs that are near and dear to my heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought, that's kind of a fun challenge, you know, to go this thirty years since I stood before a mic singing these very songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: in the Bengals era and then to sort of have this chance to like stand in front of a mic again and do it again at a more senior moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's nothing wrong with growing old.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I feel very young at heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have no intention of retiring any time soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it just sparked all this wonderful music making that I didn't expect to happen because I just, you know, had my novel put out and I was
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just busy with things, but, you know, as I always say, music is the beginning middle and end of every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm never going to not want to listen to it for one or be involved in creating it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, it just made sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things I've talked about with so many of the great artists who have been on the show is that you have a song.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a poem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you, or vice versa, but let's just say you go with the lyrics for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the poem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you put some, you know, some music around it, but that can be conveyed in an infinite number of ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I would imagine for an artist such as yourself when you have eternal flame the way it was recorded and reimagining could go many different directions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that alone, what a journey.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so cool and that's why it was so great when I got put together with CJ, Carla put me together with, because we did, we did a string, I think maybe the first version we did of the Eternal Flame was a string quartet version.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was so fun to hear it reimagined in that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it just kind of got, I became addicted to collaborating with CJ and our amazing engineer Grant Millican.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, yeah, it's just been fun to reimagine songs that are near and dear to my heart, and that maybe new generations of people might explore and discover in different ways, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's been really rewarding and, I mean, music is
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, I don't know, it is a magical thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I love music.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have to be my own music, but I love, I love making it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I also just love music, so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a great opportunity.
[SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't say no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, we all who are listening here and, you know, I personally am very much, well, everybody who's listening is a huge music person, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: And music is is so important, especially when times get crazy, you know, and it's therapy and it's calming, but it's also inspirational and all those kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so thank God for your musicians and the talent to be able to put it out there and tap into that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Only G.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the feeling like Susanna when you're on stage?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're singing eternal flame.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you see everybody going like this and holding their phones or lighting their lighters like they used to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is that feeling like?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just had this incredible opportunity to perform at a festival that was a redondo beach.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's called beach life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, beach life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Beach life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd never gone out onto the ramp.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they had one of those ramps.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the last show I did that the bandgirls was quite a while ago was in two thousand nineteen.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was the Kaboo festival.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like really wanting to go out on the ramp because I was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you were there, because right after we played, that's so cool that you were there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cheryl Crow went out after us, and I was like, oh, she's doing the ramp thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's getting close to the people, but for whatever reason, my bandmates didn't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I honored their wishes, but then beach life came, and I was like, I'm looking at the ramp, and I'm like, hey, I want to go out on the ramp this time, because I didn't do it last time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had that chance, I thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it was,
[SPEAKER_02]: such a beautiful feeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there's a clip on my Instagram, you can find, and maybe a YouTube clip too, where I was just walking and talking and dragging this long lead, because I had,
[SPEAKER_02]: Signal to the, I mean, I had put it in my wish list to the crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I might go out on the ramp this time because I didn't go last time when I really wanted to.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm holding the mic and I'm pulling this lead and it was the most amazing moment I've ever had, I think, at a concert ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: In all those years.
[SPEAKER_02]: People were holding their babies out to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were people there was so sweet and reaching their hands and I was crouching and holding hands and looking in the eyes of these people and then realizing how many people were out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just such a beautiful, I was on a cloud for like the whole week after that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just couldn't believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so lovely to have that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd never done that.
[SPEAKER_02]: My whole life as a musician.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was a big turning point in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said to my manager, hey, let's do some festivals next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do festivals come on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're working on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're working on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was so...
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean, that's why we, all of us music lovers, we're never good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so beautiful to have like those moments of communing together over the music.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so, so wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like on a cloud for a whole week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it was amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, hopefully you'll be at Coachella.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know what we might, but in case it turns out to just be me doing it, then that will work, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd happily go.
[SPEAKER_00]: We love this, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure, we'd love to see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you have a new album that will be coming out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, I learned of what is the time frame for that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's a good question.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're talking about the early fall.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're beginning of the fall or in the summer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd have to commune with my manager.
[SPEAKER_00]: But a next year or twenty twenty five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, this year, this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the music is finished.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the project is, yeah, most of them will you be touring?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that I don't know yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because I had such a marvelous experience at Beach Life, Carla and Brody my agent are working on looking into festivals next year because it was really, really, it really did something to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so great to perform at Beach Life and yeah, it was unforgettable.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I look forward to opportunities such as that in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we talked a little bit about your book, The Bird has flown.
[SPEAKER_00]: This bird has flown.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this bird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's easy to, it's easy to get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: This bird has flown, which is published in twenty twenty three.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a couple years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying this to everybody out there that it's great reviews to be kind.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great reviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've had wonderful reviews.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was crazy, great reviews.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was stunned when I stumbled upon the first one, not even realizing that it was when I used to be on Twitter, but anyway, we won't go there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was just unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was reading it off my phone as I walked up the stairs here, like couldn't believe the review.
[SPEAKER_02]: from your time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, and I, well, I'm walking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just said to Jay, you got to read this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was the most incredible review.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I love the reviewer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I finally worked up the courage months and months and months after, because I didn't know if it was okay to just, like, say, oh my God, thank you for that review.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I got really great reviews on the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a labor of pure love writing that book.
[SPEAKER_02]: The characters of musician, you know, I know what that's like, so I could authentically describe what it feels like to be a musician.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's also a love story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's set.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a one-hit wonder who is trying to kind of figure out how to get past being a one-hit wonder.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she ends up randomly flying to England from the West Coast and just sitting next to a very
[SPEAKER_02]: classy sexy hot Oxford professor and sparks lie and she finds herself hanging out a little longer in Oxford and then finally I don't want to give away too much but kind of reclaiming her
[SPEAKER_02]: ability to perform on big stages, having just, at the start of the book, she's playing at a bachelor party.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how low she's gotten to, you know, and so it was a joy to write that book and it was such a pleasure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was so thrilled by the, how it did out in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you wrote, obviously, you're always a songwriter, but were you a long form writer before, or is
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had dreamed my whole life of writing a novel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I grew up like we were all young readers because my mother loved books so much and it just kind of morphed into a lifelong passion for reading.
[SPEAKER_02]: I use certain books to kind of inform this bird has flown, which is the name of my novel.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought at first of making the protagonist an actor and actress, you know, but then I thought, well, I know the music world.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be kind of fun to pull back the curtain and show people what it's really like.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's both a love story, a sexy, hot love story, and a book about a woman's journey from being a one-hit wonder to kind of reclaiming her mojo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, that's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations to you on that because I've written a few books and it's a process.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It takes dedication.
[SPEAKER_00]: So good for you with all the different products that you're working on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what are some of the other things that are right now are projects that you're focused on or that matter to you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, wrapping up this project of doing these recordings that we were talking about earlier, I started my second book, which is kind of a sequel book, but because I focused so much, I got so insconced in the music making that I haven't had a chance to really get like into the flow state with my second book, so I'm very eager this summer to now that things are simmering down a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: in terms of the creation of the whole new set of songs that I'll sort of try to balance songwriting, not reinventions of old songs, but the songwriting I'm doing currently and novel writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like writing writing in two different forms, but I like juggling both.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so getting back to kind of how we started with like movies and movies is so central to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the success of the book,
[SPEAKER_00]: Could it be that there is a movie in the works based on your books?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have two incredible producers who are working on the film adaptation of the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we worked with another company.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to get to into the politics.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there was a lot of interest.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, it settled into
[SPEAKER_02]: where it needs to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I had written a couple drafts of the screenplay, but now that I'm working with two of my favorite producers, and they have such a great take on everything, because you can't a book as long.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to figure out which parts you have to streamline.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to streamline a story that will fit for either a TV series or
[SPEAKER_02]: a feature film, Ron Combs, which technically, I don't think of my book as a Ron Combs, but technically, it's a romantic comedy, I don't know, I guess it would be lumped in that genre, so it's not like overtly comedic, but it's technically considered a Ron Combs, so it will be possibly best
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll see where it lands.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see where it lands.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have some work to do on the script, but I joyfully approach the work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We look forward to seeing that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's wrap things up with a little rapid fire lightning round.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you already talked about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that one of the most memorable, if not the most memorable,
[SPEAKER_00]: moment that you've had is beach life, which is wonderful to hear that later in your career, you've had one of the most impactful moments.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now on your playlists, you know, for what you're listening to, like artists that are moving you today.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't have to be artists who are fresh artists, new artists who are just emerging, but who are some artists on Susanna House's playlist right now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I just, I just made just before I got on the Zoom, a Deon Warwick playoff of the herd doing all the burp-back-crack-out-David songs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I, and they're, they're, those songs and the way that she sang them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what the word is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a lesson in how to do things.
[SPEAKER_02]: The, you know, even a burp backtrack song, how burp backtrack, how David's song ended up in my novel, mentioned in my novel.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're, they're songwriting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Burp was really the melody guy and how David was the lyricist for the most part.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how they did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what it is about those songs, but they
[SPEAKER_02]: They, I don't know, they do something to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but maybe I'm not answering your question.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, look, if Dianne Warwick is on your playlist right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a moment in Thomas snapshot of Suzanne a house right now where it's like getting you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have lots of playlist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I listen to all kinds of music.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just looking at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there any emerging artists that kind of you think, wow, that person is, there's something there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's just so many.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's this Neal Fins song.
[SPEAKER_02]: She may come out with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Neal Fins is out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And where is his song?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she may come my way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that with his song?
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's from one of his earlier albums.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like clouded house album.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might be a Neal Fins song.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a Neal Fins solo.
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, she will have, she will have her way.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a beautiful song.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a great song.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I like, like, yeah, so I have on that playlist, I have she will come her way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you there with another girl, which is Dion, Warwick?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all over now, baby, Blue Van Morrison.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I needed you, Townsville, Zan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chimes of freedom, the birds, you are in my mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: We five, do I ever cross your mind, which is Daldy Parton and Chetacans, like it's so random, wedding bell blues by Nora Lero, Nora, I'm sorry, Laura Lero.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, different drum, Linda Ronstet singing, different drum, something in the air, Thunder Cup, Newman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's just so random, get together the young, but it's a lot of them are old songs, but
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the beauty of music is that you don't need to pigeonhole yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wonderful to enjoy all these different genres.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and then I'll wrap things up with, okay, we're in the shirt, we talked about we started with movies and since you're a movie, I'll like yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are some of your favorite movies of all time?
[SPEAKER_02]: The graduate, I just revisited Dustin Hoffman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dirk Bogard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen this servant?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a British new wave film.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: The servant, Dirk Bugard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Sarah Miles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Sarah Miles was in blow up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have the blow up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, do you really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, blow up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that era of the mid-Sixies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the servant was more like that sort of work.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's his genre?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember the name of the genre, but I loved anything that Dirk Bogard is in.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'll check it out for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody check out some of the Susanna's favorites that she mentioned in terms of music because a lot of you probably aren't aware of some of those songs and there are amazing songs that are timeless songs and it's great to experience them too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Susanna, listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Huge fan, love your music, excited to see that you have new music that's going to be coming out and reimagining all the songs that you love so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then all these other things, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that you're this multifaceted artist who does all these things, that's a tremendous testament to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So good for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I appreciate you being on the show, story behind the song, and listening to the journey of you walking us through how that all happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's really cool to see how like the story of how from the kernel, how from the nugget, this thing all started because of your love for Elvis.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to tour, and then
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you mean, it turned a flame.
[SPEAKER_00]: It turned a flame specifically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it turned a flame specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it turned a flame specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it turned a flame specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it turned a flame specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, turned a flame specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, turned a flame.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, turned a
[SPEAKER_00]: That was Susanna Hoffs of the Bangles, one of the most iconic great bands of the late-nineteen eighties, sharing her story behind her number one smash ballad eternal flame, which she just reimagined as part of an upcoming album where she revisits her favorite hits.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host Peter Chaudier, Deep Cuts Media.
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