[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we're on the stream now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to I heard they stream live number five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I don't know if we are live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, now we're definitely live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you didn't hear that, we're on heard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard they stream live number five.
[SPEAKER_01]: And very excited to be here again with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Woj, woj.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for putting up with me for this long a month.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've made it past a month.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we... I can believe it, just because I think both you and I are too stubborn to ever, if the other person's showing up, we're just gonna be here, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, we live for this, this kind of shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you said it before.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, these podcasts basically just happen over phone calls anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: So... Yeah, you're probably just doing this to spare yourself that midday.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're probably just doing this to spare yourself that midday.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're having a long phone call that I'll give you a couple weeks.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they're just as cathartic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we had a, I think this might be the first week that we don't have to start by utilizing a punk rock or hardcore legend.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm forgetting anyone, I'm very sorry, and but I did kind of comb through my notes and I don't think there's anyone in the past two weeks, but if there is someone that we'll get them next week, and hopefully there's no next week too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully it's just going to be able to long streak of no one dying ever again.
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be bad if no one died ever again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be a bad sign.
[SPEAKER_03]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy Peter Thiel, the guy Thiel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thiel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw an interview where he was talking about how they want to create a way for people to be mortal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw that.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a TV show about that called Upload.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you ever seen that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, was it on prime?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't really like the lead.
[SPEAKER_01]: too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I like the premise of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, it's like, that's that's terrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could never die.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then once you're on the computer, you don't have a choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, I yourself off.
[SPEAKER_03]: You, I think you can, you're like, hey, I'm, um, you can cancel me now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've had enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's probably an option.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then someone's like, nah, you don't remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, in this, you like pay a lot of money to do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like a luxury thing, and there's like different levels.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, but yeah, I guess if you're, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, they're going to be bringing back like people that didn't sign up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, through the box, going to be there, Jerry Garcia, they're like, I didn't choose this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, my god, these guys suck.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm stuck here with them and the,
[SPEAKER_01]: just like all their favorite musicians are triathess and this allish nightmarescape.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could be like the, it'd be more like the, the lawnmower man than a upload.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a movie that I kind of want to go back and revisit, but you can't really find it at least up here on any of the streaming services.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was I was obsessed with that movie when it came out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw it in the theater.
[SPEAKER_03]: I loved that and then also well, also do you remember like.
[SPEAKER_03]: When VHSs would be like other than like real, they're like the real commercial ones like home alone or Batman would be like twenty bucks or twenty five bucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: But lesser known ones were like a hundred bucks if you wanted to buy them for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: More than that sometimes like when I'm a video store, some of those videos would get like three hundred dollars for a new release film.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they had like, the price, the list price and then they had a sell-through price.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the sell-through price was like, yeah, when he could get a Batman, like, ten, ninety-nine or so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, what's the guy's name?
[SPEAKER_01]: He played the agent on entourage, Jerry Pidden.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I worked with the video store, he came in one day and he was like, hey, I wanna buy a copy of this American Pim movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just came out on VHS.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, well, no, he can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, three hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we have to order from a distributor and all this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, fine, fine, fuck it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll set up a rental account and I'll just rent it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he just rents it and just never comes back with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's off taking up, you know, like, it's a hotel.
[SPEAKER_01]: The number we have for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So eventually, the manager of the store got, got his, like, I think it's CAA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some his agents phone number and call them and he's like, yo, he ripped off our video store.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, you have his credit card number?
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, yeah, they're just like, charge them, charge them whatever you think.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like he's good for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like the, um, the library and from side, the library and from side field, who like comes after them for a tropical cancer from high school.
[SPEAKER_01]: We video stores.
[SPEAKER_01]: The shit you'd have to give over to the video store.
[SPEAKER_01]: to rent a video like forget what social media is getting from you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would straight up ask people for their social insurance numbers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like routinely.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was one of the pieces of ID.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that what you guys call it up there?
[SPEAKER_03]: Social insurance number?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you guys call it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Social security number.
[SPEAKER_01]: Social security.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're social.
[SPEAKER_01]: A sin number.
[SPEAKER_01]: So freaks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a bit first?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you just come up and take ours.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was, yes, for some reason I was just yesterday.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like that era of lawnmower, man, I also love this other movie Brain Scan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember Brain Scan?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I've compared to the box.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was Eddie fur along and it was another kind of like virtual reality game where you get sucked into the game and you can get killed in the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I want to say like primus, we're on the soundtrack and like chili peppers and some other stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But for some reason, I just like
[SPEAKER_03]: I searched hashtag brain scan on Instagram yesterday.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so weird that this came up.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's this new picture of Kathy Griffin.
[SPEAKER_03]: walking on the street.
[SPEAKER_03]: And her hairline is like back to like like yours.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she looks like the dude from brain scan.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is like happening right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just randomly happened to like search hashtag brain scan.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just all memes of Kathy Griffin next to the villain from brain scan.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, this is insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also I feel bad for Kathy Griffin.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, leave it alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was laughing at Kathy Griffiths of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just laughing at the fact that brain scan is going to have a comeback before a lot more man does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because of this Kathy Griffin unfortunate photo.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, great brain scan is dope.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, same era, the island of Dr. Murrow, remix.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the remake of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like notoriously like one of the worst movies ever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, it's kind of sick to the amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went like, when virtual reality first came out like lawnmower man era, I remember going and doing virtual reality and like it looked like it did kind of in the movie, but it shared your version.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like ten years ago, they opened a virtual reality like arcade in the first floor of like one of the big movie theaters that go to sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when did virtual reality?
[SPEAKER_01]: and in like the twenty years between lawnmower man coming out and me going and doing this virtual reality.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very little improvement in terms of the graphics like it was shocking how shitty it looks to really yeah like I'm like wow and maybe it's made a big leap forward now but my wife has the Oculus that what I think that's what is called whatever the Oculus yeah and so I messed with it a couple times and it's definitely better than lawnmower man but
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, if you think about it, like the games, they can't be as big as, and as intricate as like a PlayStation game, because you have to read so much more information at the same time, and there's a different component to it that would take up so much
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't, I'm not like a computer gamer guy, I wouldn't, but it would be, it would be, you know, super tough to make it a really, the graphics really great, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure my kids have been Oculus and I did the roller coaster game on that and the graphics were a lot better.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that jump in ten years, I guess, is finally, you know, we're getting there, we're getting closer.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is, once we have full virtuality,
[SPEAKER_01]: This Peter feel like all those types of people, like they're not going to be in the world anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's not the problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's a good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's this virtual reality that's going to be like living in Sims all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dude stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm freaked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: At least we get to talk about shit that has no impact on the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting just because like, you know, like, I love like the main kind of music I listen to on the daily while I'm working in stuff is like nineties like drum and bass and it's like super like supposed to be like futuristic and like cyberpunk and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, I love like just like that kind of like seventies to nineties like nostalgic view of like the future just kind of like that cyber punk post apocalyptic, you know, shit like that and but then it's like man, the future is gonna be even more fucked up than that and not that cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like we're to look at blade runner as being optimistic look at the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like man, I kind of want to live in that world that they're living in in a water world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just have water.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can see, yeah, I mean, it's going to be dirt world.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be dirt world with soda pop.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be like, it's going to be like idiocracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All over the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're getting there.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're halfway, and I'm in the States for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're halfway there, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're close to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the thing about Canada being defined by not being American,
[SPEAKER_01]: means that we're going to do everything to prevent ourselves from going down that way, but we're ultimately going to be going down that way too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, everyone's kind of going through the same thing into a different degree, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you ever hear the story of the footwear for idiocracy?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: they were like looking for shoes that people would wear in the future and they had no money for wardrobes of the wardrobe person went out and she's like trying to source all these weird shoes and so she eventually finds these shoes that are like the hideiest, the most hideiest things she's ever seen and she brings them and she's like here.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are the shoes and they're like these are disgusting but what are you gonna do if you become popular at some point in the future?
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like there's no way people could be wearing these shoes and they were crocks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you go back and watch that movie, everyone's got a crox on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I'm still, I'm still a holdout on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm still on the right side of crox.
[SPEAKER_03]: Never touched my foot yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I only have put them on because like occasionally I'll have to run out and do something with a barbecue or get something on the porch and my kids have them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, it's crazy how comfortable they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're totally fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have anything against them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just personally can't cross that threshold.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have like a roller blades a version tool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I have other similar things, like, you know, like, slide type shoes, but I can't do, you know, like I have like a thousand dollar vis-vim version, but off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would get like those weird, but I think the boots I wanna try on, had you ever tried on those astra boy boots?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't watch try those on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they may be pretty comfortable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, they're just like foam, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like rubber, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like just like a giant crock, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: My middle child got platform crocks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, yeah, the kids are kids are one of the crocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, kids are kids are into like wearing like, well, you know what, first of all, there's my statement.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're into wearing like pajama pants and like stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know what's weird?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like,
[SPEAKER_03]: When did wearing sweatpants become normal?
[SPEAKER_01]: Drake.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like that late, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a post Drake era thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's probably Drake wearing some of those air Jordan, the Jordan kind of like white sweatsuit type things, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like wearing sweatpants, like when I would first show up to shows wearing sweatpants, people thought I was just wandering in off the streets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I remember there used to be this dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: Damn, I can't remember his name.
[SPEAKER_01]: John sweatpants?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but I got stories about him too.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was like,
[SPEAKER_03]: this like kickboxer dude in Wilkesbury who would be at every cc show and he was such a sick masha and kickboxer and he only wore sweatpants and he would say it was because he was allergic to denim and was totally serious but denim and sweatpants are both made out of cotton right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but damn I can't remember his name
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll I'll I'll get it for the next episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just give him a official shout out, but it was a CC's fixture.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also like Paul sweatpants.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Pants.
[SPEAKER_03]: Paul's I don't know Paul sweatpants.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't Paul Paul Philadelphia Paul too.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's this like?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Paul, but he's he's he's he's known for wearing sweatpants.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was back in the day Paul sweatpants.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the first nickname I remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe that could be a regional thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like fat Alex is a Toronto things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so maybe it just like a regional like name for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, I thought he was I thought he was like that on like one of the message boards.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe back then.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, wearing sweatpants up in a sweat, you know, up, yeah, up until I guess you're right, Drake, it became like really normalized before that certain, you know, like I was definitely wearing sweatpants a little bit before Drake, but yeah, it became like super popular normalized.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're probably right, Drake.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went to like the marshals like we lost when we lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a marshals fit sacs with avenue maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like one of the big American expensive department stores came up to Canada then went on a business and so they were having like a clear out sale.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, I want to buy some new sweatpants.
[SPEAKER_01]: They now have one pair of sweatpants below three hundred fifty dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark day on clearance.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something that looked like skin to live up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's they're like so furry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Deep pile.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's called.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did I did not buy any that day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was to deep piled up in debt to be buying three hundred fifty dollars sweat pants and I fuck that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Twelve hundred dollars sweat pants.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the most expensive pair I saw which were marked down from that, but they were twelve hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Holy macro.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'd have to do the sports for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm jealous of your punk background.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to get my background to be more punk here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I got I just it slightly so it looks like I'm in a different room from what I'm doing normal turn it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: My background.
[SPEAKER_03]: This, this uh, wait, yeah, you can see like a kind of like what's going to be a crib.
[SPEAKER_03]: When we, yeah, we have a baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: This crib was once owned by uh, Lee Quinone, Quinones of a wild style.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so there, so that is like some hip hop points for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's a nice looking crib too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we're trying to have a baby in my friend said, hey, I have Lee's old crib.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you want it?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was like just noticing what I have in here is this South Park thing, which is very embarrassing, but apparently this is worth like a shit ton of money now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: So until me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think like all this stuff is theoretically worth a ton of money until you try to sell it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's something that's only worth what someone's willing to pay for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you see can you can you see the way it is poster in the corner?
[SPEAKER_01]: The frame the way it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that a bunch of frame stuff down there?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's some good stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some good flyers.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to you want to bust them out?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, would you show a tell episode when we?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that'll get crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we could get real, it could get real nuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm like, oh, I should just start taking pictures of my stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that would never end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe that should be like a segment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like each episode, we each have three show and tell items.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you could do three in right now in your room that you're in.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we get to the end of the show and we have time to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could do three within grabbing distance, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, okay, we'll get there eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, we got to talk about the hot news.
[SPEAKER_01]: You and me, well, you personally, but me as part of the band fucked up, have both been shut out on two separately, vastly more popular podcasts than this one that we're currently on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Most are, most are, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Luckily, there's a lot that are
[SPEAKER_01]: in our pond that are not very popular.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're still a bigger fish in our small pond, but in these this pond that we're talking about, we are tiny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but guppies, you go first because I want to know, what is a male slug?
[SPEAKER_03]: a male slug, you're looking at him.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a fan of the trash Tuesday podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and you're not a blood.
[SPEAKER_03]: I ran into Ian Friedance and he goes on that podcast and I'll just like, you know, dude, like, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, good to, you know, nice to introduce myself, you know, because I never really met him before, but he's from around here, and I was like, yeah, do I remember you from like shows back in, I said the center fuse days back in the day there used to be a message board around here called center fuse.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, yeah, man, yeah, I remember you two, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, yeah, dude, I'm a slug, you know, and he's like, oh, yeah, how cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, no, no, that's like what they call like a fan of trash Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I love Klyla and Esther and that podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you bet prior to that, you know, it was like a sexual thing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's a freaky guy, so it could have been some sort of like preference or proclivity.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, and I was just like, dude, what do they like?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and I asked him about Kiko's on Bobby Lee, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then later I saw him like getting some cold world merch and I was like, you know, man, we got to wear that on trash Tuesday and he promised that he would the next time he went on.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he wore it and I got a nice shout out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we had talked about this when I guess he did the episode a few weeks back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I didn't realize that they were going to like shut you up by name.
[SPEAKER_01]: So much personal stuff about you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was just like so weird when I saw the clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, wow, this is like a way better than the shadow that I got.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just because they
[SPEAKER_03]: Their podcast is in a little bit of turmoil and hot water.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think like any, they could use a support, you know, when they see support from maybe like a different world, they're smart enough to be like, hey, we should embrace this and you know, so that might have something to do with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a controversial podcast that brings up here because last time we talked about it, it's so left to comment on one of the places that this thing's up saying like,
[SPEAKER_01]: They like trash Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm never listening to this podcast again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, on the other side, I guess, the podcast political spectrum, me and my band, well, my band fucked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't mention me at all on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But got a shout out on the cultureistas podcast, which they had been talking a lot about hardcore on that episode too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you to Josh Sharp.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bowen as well, like who I didn't realize apparently also listen to fucked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we've been around long enough that chances are you would have heard it somewhere at some point, you know, in Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not in America.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not familiar with this podcast with this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw the clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a really, it's like, it's like Bowen Yang from SNL and I blank you know, it's co-hosts name and it's like a show just looking at pop culture and talking about pop culture and they get like big guests coming in from all over the world's of comedy and Josh Sharp is a comedian who's actually just doing a show on Broadway next week but came on rocking a turn style shirt and they started talking about turn style and going the turn style show and then
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, went from there, but it's just a, uh, I think it's on, I heart radio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know enough about podcast world to know this thing, but I will say, when this show don't happen, I got more messages about it than anything ever in from.
[SPEAKER_01]: excuse me, some of the weirdest places in like family members, friends of family members, like people on the street that I hadn't seen a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that speaks to how popular popular podcasts are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're very popular.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they get seen by
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I guess it's like what TV would have been at another point, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you're on like, oh, I saw you on TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're on the news.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sort of.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think like popular podcasts have like a crazy lifestyle because of clips that go across every different social media platform and then like the really big podcasts like
[SPEAKER_03]: will have their regular YouTube and then they'll have a whole YouTube that's just clips, then they'll have a YouTube that's like, compilations put together and they really know how to
[SPEAKER_03]: mess around with that algorithm and shit, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess jumping to the Cal Gordon episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the things I found most interesting because I'll see it on TikTok all the time where there's like the videos of someone's speed running like a Sonic game or playing some other video game and then they'll be like a clip of the podcast right above it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, our podcast paying people to do this, but no, this is like a separate economy that exists.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to make money off these podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it also serves to promote these podcasts, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see these clips all over the place and it makes these people seem, or it makes these people even larger in their influence.
[SPEAKER_03]: The secondary podcast market.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, secondary podcast market.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we got to do, which we got to get into that secondary podcast market.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, where they feature us, not making them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we need to, like, be guests on other people's shows, but they have to ask us.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to ask you before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really don't like going on other podcasts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, now you got me, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody look at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, faster.
[SPEAKER_03]: Real quick, bone young, bone young.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wore a new Japan shirt on SNL not too long ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like at the end, like when they all come out.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I want to say you, he wore some other
[SPEAKER_03]: There's other, some other thing where he was into something cool ever, get what it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he has some cool interests, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if the one's listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I wanted to come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Josh Sharp is going to probably come on turn it upon in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about it afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that wrestling any time someone like it's wrestling as as you know, that's always like, oh, that's that's an interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: New Japan nowadays, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, how would a normie get in a new Japan?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure, but I guess they lost their TV deal in the US because they were on like access TV, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like, I guess this is struggle being a wrestling company outside of the WWE, but like poor New Japan every few years, they'll have like this incredible roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then WWE, and I guess at the EW as well, we'll kind of come in and just cut off the top level of talent and just hire them all away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then New Japan has kind of spent the next few years kind of building it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But New Japan's always able to kind of do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it feels like we're kind of in a New Japan rebuilding period, but I haven't watched religiously in a while, but it seems like it's getting good again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I recently signed up for a new Japan like two or three months ago, yeah, just to watch old stuff because they're very anal about getting their stuff taken down off YouTube.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you can't find any old eighties and nineties, uh, new Japan or seventies matches on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I signed up for that and I did a little bit, I know like it sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they.
[SPEAKER_03]: They barely have shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like nothing compared to like the WWE network.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know what's interesting is like, yeah, because like you're saying they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: their very meticulous beginning should take him down and hit everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's all these people that used to just be, and they probably still are just wrestling gift accounts on Twitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they would, these wrestling gift accounts to be like, take this down, take this down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it's kind of like, the inverse of the logic we were talking about before with these podcast things, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, and that's probably why it's hard to get into New Japan now, because without those clips, things serving as an advertisement,
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the thing I always hear, like just from my work, like you know, like people who like working with companies in Japan, especially like corporations, they're still very old school and the people at the top stay there forever and they never let go of the old ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: So that probably has something to do with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I know when we were on Manadore, I think it was, uh, free at which record it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the earlier records, they were like, it leaked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was back when like, oh my god, the record leaked.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they were like, yes, it leaked.
[SPEAKER_01]: It leaked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh shit, they're like, it's a really good sign when a record leaks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It means people are excited for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it builds up momentum for when the record actually comes out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you want it to leak.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you want this sort of secondary,
[SPEAKER_01]: fandom to exist because it just serves to drive people towards.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it just shows that people people have to want to share it in the first place for if something leaks in the woods and nobody cares.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does anyone know it?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, at least, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like you look at Star Wars and they started working with these people that were kind of like doing these weird Star Wars parodies and at first they were like at verse two of it and then they sort of embraced this sort of fan culture that exists around their intellectual property and I feel like yeah, that's
[SPEAKER_03]: what you want to do like a miss it's benefited from all those people bootlegging their shirts for years because yeah i mean same thing even just like you know people make like whole world stuff and i think it's cool you know and i have friends who used to be in bands and i'll tell me that their old band mates like
[SPEAKER_03]: will freak out when they find a bootleg and attack the person on Instagram and I like really like embarrasses them.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's like to read the room, like who fucking can you should be?
[SPEAKER_03]: What is it like the best the most sincere form of flattery is imitation?
[SPEAKER_03]: Emotation is, yeah, that's how I feel, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Cole World is a bootleg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, to bring it back to Japan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: In bastard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucked the bootlegger and huge letters on that CD.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very issues.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fuck the bootlegger.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will have to ride with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always wanted to have that as a shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: A bootleg shirt, no less.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could have bastard fucked the bootlegger on the front and then be word ass bootleggers by on-ex on the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: That could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: East meets West, anti bootleg.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn, I think we got through that a new shirt design.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were the first there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They suck live.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hear they stream live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mike.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of which huge news.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why we didn't start the whole show off of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were celebrating a hopeless record has acquired fat records.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got hit up about having like doing an episode about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, yeah, that what would you even talk about?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, sort of records is acquired fat records.
[SPEAKER_01]: Money, big money, these punk rock records.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like all the, like not all those fat records, but there was a period where most of those fat records are showing up on Billboard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hot to hundreds, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Those strong out records, those good riddance records.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back then, but now are people streaming those like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially like, you know, it's not like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, uh, Sabrina Carpenter numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sure there's like a, a big group of forty five year old, washed up work tour people that are looking for a soundtrack every weekend.
[SPEAKER_03]: You ever see the, um, the like,
[SPEAKER_03]: Early teenage drummer girl on TikTok who plays only epiphat songs on drums and she's like behind like a lag wagon banner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like anytime I see that, I know what it's like with my kids, I'm like, what do the parents have to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: To make this happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's totally fake.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, she even said that she got into that kind of music from her dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know, it's fake.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's fake.
[SPEAKER_01]: What no one like, I know kids that love punk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I really like, like, I know kids, like parents that have kids and the kids are like, I love this stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but dude, if you're a fuckin' thirteen-year-old girl, how are you gonna be like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: All this stuff that's made specifically for a turn style?
[SPEAKER_03]: No use for a name?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'd buy it if it was just a Chris Dodge, the era of no use for a name.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see it could get into one of that these days.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm Lesha Concarne.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the record.
[SPEAKER_03]: That record rocks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the record with like sold out?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, that's no effects.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the right place with like the hits?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just fight black guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That record was a huge record that came out.
[SPEAKER_03]: That record bangs, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm also Guns and Wankers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guns and Wankers, I'm way more than with no, for name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like wrestling piece to Tony Sly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I had to do stage security for them one time.
[SPEAKER_01]: and there was no barricade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why was I even doing stage security?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like just so stupid, like staying in the right from the pit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this dude, a white dude with dreadlocks just kept whipping him in my face, singing along to the song and skipping me in the face.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anytime I hear noise for a name, it just gives me some trauma reaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're plash.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're plactic, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Trying to think of other, other fat wreck.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is the, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, I'm not big on propaganda, but I know I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to pick guns and wankers over propaganda.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wave.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love guns and wankers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, skin deep.
[SPEAKER_03]: It to me is like the ultimate mall punk song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, that's, I see, I love guns and wankers and I'm not like offended because it's such an extreme choice to say guns and wankers over propaganda.
[SPEAKER_03]: Something about that song is just like totally encapsulates that like sound to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's enough fan at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was gonna bring that up after this and snuff, because because guns and wankers is a guy from snuff, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a side project.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like a few guys from stuff that I'm not mistaken.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's stuff like there's stuff that kind of has a little bit of that in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I really like, but there's all there's like other like wacky stuff going on that kind of, are they, are they from Sweden?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where are they from?
[SPEAKER_01]: One other British.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like they, I don't think they shared members, but like so like leather face,
[SPEAKER_01]: hard scan snuff like all those bands were like tight and I actually didn't have ever saw stuff live they were opening for less than Jake and it was the
[SPEAKER_01]: Day the drummer from snuff, the day the drummer from lush, who also drummed in hard skin, killed himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chris, yeah, what's Cameron's last name?
[SPEAKER_01]: Akland.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, recipes Chris Akland.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they went out and played this unbelievably heavy emotional set and then left the tour the next Dan flew home.
[SPEAKER_02]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was that the operas in Toronto and it was still like to this day, one of the most like
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like a heavy set.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they might have announced first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe my friend told me who was doing the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: What year was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Ninety.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ninety eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't realize he killed himself that late.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was ninety seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it was I think it was pretty.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a little bit later than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was just obviously a huge blow to all those people and
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I'm fascinated by that scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that scene with mega city four as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not so much hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to guess it would have been prior to hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it would be that drawn acid and one Tyler.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that whole stuff kind of gets completely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Inveloped by the brick pop thing and no one really remembers it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like Nezatomic dustbin was kind of part of that thing a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like really free free brick pop underground UK post punk scene, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not, I'm not too informed on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That scene to be honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: I only know a couple of those bands.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were on enemy covers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Megasity four was on the cover to the enemy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Megasity City four.
[SPEAKER_03]: I definitely recognize, but the others, I don't really know to be honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do a whole episode about this genre one day.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I mean, obviously, I know leather face and like that the ones that you mentioned the beginning, I love leather face.
[SPEAKER_03]: But did you read the, the Mickey from Lushes book?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I got to read it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw that there's an audiobook version of its film.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'll just listen to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's real, I mean, I'm a lush super fan, so I had to read it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's, it's pretty good, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, just, it's really weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, like, she just talks about how they, how broke they were all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they never made any money off the band.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just fucking weird, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they were on Laplusa.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they were kind of like a, not a major band, but you just think like,
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, like bands that don't seem anywhere near as big as that nowadays, like from the punk scene, they're living off their band.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And back then, like, I don't know, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting, like going back to noise for name, like guaranteed noise for name made way more money off their band than luscious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, economy of scale, like luscious, at least to me, seemed like a much bigger band.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know what you mean, but I guess like if you're headlining or co-headlining an epiphat tour, you make way more than like opening for fucking James addiction or, you know, soundguard and, you know, like
[SPEAKER_01]: We're able to give you tour support to pay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because your guarantee is low and there's not enough to cover the cost of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah, you're paying for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the back end.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that book's really, it's really good because she's really interesting because she has like a mess that really messed up childhood.
[SPEAKER_03]: And her cousin is Cornelius.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it talks about that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, her and the other woman in lush Emma have like such a tumultuous relationship and like, you know, they're after their like last reunion, like they haven't spoke since.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's it's it's interesting that that band's got it all as far as lore goes and tea.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we got signed by madder, or when they were kind of like a first approach, you know, they brought us to the beggars office in England.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they brought us down to the warehouse.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were like, go nuts, just whatever you'd find, you can take.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were like, holy shit, and I grabbed so much cool lush stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause they had the four AD catalog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just like came up with all these lush records, like, oh my god, this is amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so nuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, yeah, most of the bands would be signed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't really come down here.
[SPEAKER_01]: and go crazy for this shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be any time we were there because like you'd stay, when we were on matter where we'd stand like the apartment they had above the offices.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this record room was just in the basement.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just go down there and rate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where was this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just out's clapped in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Junction, I guess the name is called clapped in.
[SPEAKER_01]: a big Clapton station where I would get off and walk to it like just in London.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the thing is if they British bands probably come there and they're too cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, go down to the gravity.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, can't be tough for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, you know, like they're too cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think it's also just bands in general, like at that point,
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it was the early days of streaming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly people were like, I couldn't, couldn't, can't be our mate.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a terrible British accent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can't be ours to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went down there once.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Adele was just chilling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the where I was just saying she got coffee for all the guys that worked there and then she was hanging out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Adele was not too cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, she was a hundred percent cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I'm saying she's not too cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was down there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, down there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hang in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's a deep head, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's rolling in the deep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I met her twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first time I met her was at MTV Canada when they were doing the MTV Gladiators episode, which was kind of like they're American Gladiators episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I was at one of the gladiators that was there to kind of like, I guess, be foil to the VJs as they tried to make their way through the gladiators, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I had no shirt on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Smash a bottle against my head and then Met Adele.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was probably terrified of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of blood.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very weird anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you should get on to talking about these episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I guess the first one we're going to be talking about is Palais Hallin, Palais, I'm pleased from the band The Hives.
[SPEAKER_01]: A Swedish band that has been around for a lot longer than I think even people that are like mainstream fans of them realize, like they were, they were a hot band in late nineties, kind of underground quote unquote, kind of punk rock, rock or circles.
[SPEAKER_01]: A garage rock circles, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: People love them in the garage rock world, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I knew about them from Philioni because he like loved the helicopters and all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then it's funny that he brought up
[SPEAKER_03]: forget what record he said.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, just like coming out of the same time as like the white stripes and stuff like when they're like major label came thing came out.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a period of time like where I lived outside of Philly in this town called Exton and worked at Target.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a target team member.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, remember like I bought like the hive CD there, the white stripe CD there and the rival school CD there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like at this and like I bought the strokes.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the same time period, but I bought the LP from Space Boy Records on South Street, and it had the New York City cops on it, I would ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: The import version.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it was the import version.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the first version.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know that had it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the North American version, because we had the North American version up here, obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was that blue and yellow kind of cover motif.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget it's kind of like maybe explosiony kind of yellow things on a blue background.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they had removed New York City cops in the wake of nine eleven.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, yeah, but I always thought that
[SPEAKER_03]: just the original regular North American version had it, and they quickly pulled it and came out with a second pressing without it, but maybe you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I like, I have not looked into, there may be like a rare version of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they would have seen it for almost with it on there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe, yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it was an import, you know, but because Space Boy definitely got imports, but yeah, that was just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: a crazy time for like a major label rock you know yeah yeah that was like that was the year when the music industry is just like broken that those years and they're just like
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we do?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we sign?
[SPEAKER_01]: And kind of like post-Nervana, and you get a lot of weird signings, like to think about, yeah, rival schools was on a major label.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like rival schools, white stripes, the strokes and the hives, to me, all feel like very different time periods, but they're all of the exact same time.
[SPEAKER_03]: At the same time, I mean, it's obviously post-Nervana, but this is like way after Nervana, this is like, post-Nervana, this is like post-boy band,
[SPEAKER_01]: postboy band, but I mean, like, this is the, I guess the reaction to MP three's and Napster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we sign?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what do kids even want these days?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the strokes to me are still like this weird lightning in a bottle phenomena that like they could still sell it a stadium.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if they came to Toronto tomorrow, they'd sell it a stadium.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the people that I like work with at my, at my company in New York, like they all love that first stroke record.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're not rockheads or like hip hop, you know, or like Latin music.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they'll just, they'll just randomly throw that on and they know that all the words, you know, like they love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that, I don't know that first one is classic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, the thing that's amazing to me is they're like a no hit wonder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like no hits on that record.
[SPEAKER_01]: And every record after that was it, and I'd say that's someone who's reading the reviews, not necessarily even listening to the records that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is it considered a disappointment after that first one?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think people, like, I think it's a kind of a weasor situation where like super fan some of them like really love the second or third one I forget.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I never went past the first record really, I think, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: I just got that first one when I got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but like even with Weezer, I guess there's there's like hits there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: On that second record, they had singles that played.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, all their all the catalog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I wonder if like their biggest hits probably aren't even on the blue album, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're probably hash pipe or island in this dream.
[SPEAKER_01]: No island in the sun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like those aren't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beverly Hills that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: those songs you write, those are like, much bigger songs now than the blue album.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when you go and see, wezer, like, you know, it makes sense because it's like, oh, they've kind of consistently been a band that's written poppy catchy songs that everyone got behind with the strokes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I guess they're just the perfect encapsulation of that time and space in the era for people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like,
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the, I don't know, they're just like a really interesting band in terms of like the way they function in the music industry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, that, two thousand, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That was two thousand, two thousand one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two thousand one because that's just a temperal evidence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, two thousand, I think the EP's come out and then maybe, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get feels like it was all two thousand one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, two thousand one, like the like September or eleventh, like Jay Z. The blueprint came out the first fabulous album came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that coupe record where they're blowing up the twin tower came out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just the craziest album cover to have come out that week.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody somebody should look at a look into them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's an episode of the Lone Gunman TV series, which is a spin-off of the X files with a lot of punk connections on that show.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the first episode of the show, they have to foil a plot where these guys have built radio controlers that can control airplanes, and they're going to fly them into the Twin Towers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it came out like two thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Damn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ninety-nine or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know what went where do we we've talked about where we were.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think maybe just you need talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I probably just personally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you were in New York, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, dude, I was working at Target.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's your facility.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or yeah, like, it was like, yeah, it was like in between when I, yeah, anyway, I was working at Target as a target team member, shout out to Target team members.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember, you used to have to wear cackies in a red shirt and my main red shirt was like a mouthpiece shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you could be any red shirt?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's sick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: There used to be the skin head dude that that worked there with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: that was in a band called cranked up, cranked up really loud.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is it to really high?
[SPEAKER_03]: cranked up really high.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Off in the slot on the dog song.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a sick name.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I've never heard him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but he was, I know he knew Dave's sausage.
[SPEAKER_03]: I should ask sausage if he, if he remembers them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he was a cool guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyway, yeah, I remember like I was like, work, I was in the back room of Target and they had stern on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm hearing what happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I see like everybody working around me, like acting like, it's not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, you guys here, this is, what the, what the hell?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, they're like, huh?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, big deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I'm like, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like I was the only one who like grasped that I was like maybe these people have never been to New York or like they'll understand like what the fuck.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, you know, then they had it on the TVs and shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember waking up like from, I remember waking up Mike because we lived together from fucked up and being like yo come to see this and then the second tower got hit and then going to work at a toy store that day and just being like wow, this is
[SPEAKER_01]: And not so it was my last day working at the Toy Store, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn, it was my last shift and went home that night.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next day, it got up sort of a new job.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a temporary twelfth of that year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously not taking anything away from September eleven, the tragedy of September eleven.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if I was going to make a list of the greatest days of my life, just in terms of stuff that happened, September twelve, two thousand one is on that list.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, somebody should, somebody look into this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: completely unrelated.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I got up that morning and we went and saw this film, Blue Spring, this Japanese movie that was still to this day, one of my favorite films of the Toronto Film Festival at like ten a.m.
[SPEAKER_01]: then walked down to this record store, walked in and they're like, are you the, it was the records are the mainly sold like, full records.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're the guy keeps coming in here asking about new way of forty-fives.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, yeah, he's like a cab for unopened box of new way of forty-fives here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can have a hundred records for a hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you have to give the money now.
[SPEAKER_01]: No questions asked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then open it up and see what you can pull.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like five hundred records there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, fuck it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's the greatest score of my life to this day, like pulling a danger house single.
[SPEAKER_01]: All this creates a kill by death shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it was nuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, nuts, nuts, nuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then started my first day at a new job.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and once again, not to take away from September eleven.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sounds pretty suspicious.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you like director Cash Patel, look into this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's definitely wasn't a podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy is certainly a podcast listener.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a walking podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a walking, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The probably several podcasts about him, eventually, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to remember that first strokes North American, the big first breakout North American strokes to where they're like still playing clubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was that before after the album came out?
[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to think of this other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it might have been before.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I know they like, I want to say they played making time and Philly the party, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: They played the horseshoe here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a free show and it was crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the Rolling Stones played the horseshoe and that was nuts, but like nothing like this stroke show.
[SPEAKER_01]: The strokes is way crazy in the Rolling Stones because it was a free show.
[SPEAKER_01]: thousands of people showed up trying to get in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got conscripted into doing security.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing backstage security.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like in a little holding pen with the band just before they go on and they are fucked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like so fucked up drunk and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Julian pulls out a cigarette and lights it up and he's just staring at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, hey, man, what's going?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: mental.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you want to say great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, I'm straight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, uh, mental's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, yeah, I hear that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, mental makes me horny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, horny, horny, horny.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they walks over and hugs me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's sucking on my neck and I'm like, oh, no, I'm, I'm okay, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to go play a show right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I would have seen where it went.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the time, I'm just like, no, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: but he went out and played a show and pulled it together and it was an unbelievable set.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the week Larry tried to make it with Courtney Love.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my rejection sent him into the arms of Courtney Love.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here in a potential lawsuit for you, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I would keep saying, like, I'm taking this last time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think when I tell this story, maybe I'm just like, denying how fucking weird it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was also because I had a good hundred fifty pounds on the guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was never like felt right into any sort of way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, man, you're participating in a little bit of indie sleeves.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was definitely all did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We all did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, man, it just gives you a little bit of cred to the girl he pops.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the indie sleeves moment because like during that moment, it all felt very sleazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like everything about it like the man because it's also
[SPEAKER_01]: the return of cocaine to popular culture, or maybe at least when I first noticed to come back, not doing it, but noticing everyone else doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was, we gotta get off this era, because it's a, I'm sick of revisiting this era of, of my life on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we don't have to relive this era because I want to go back prior to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That first LP that the hives did, yeah, fucking amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to admit, I only know the major label LP.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't know any of their other stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I listen to that first record and I'm like, oh my God, this is like the curse suicide night bird sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it makes sense because like, and I don't mean the same thing for disrespectful, because I'm a pop on kid, too, but these were like,
[SPEAKER_01]: pop punk kids, like not pop punk kids, but kids that had gotten into this thing through epiphat and pop punk type of thing, playing a steady style hardcore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of had that changed to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what was interested where the hives got their influences from because it definitely has this like real strong aides hardcore speedness speedness to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess it's that rancid influence that he talked about coming through where does it kind of have this
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it doesn't sound quite like the zero voice it more sounds like like I don't know like a pop punk version of I don't know pop pop like that sounds really shitty to say that but I mean like a pop your version
[SPEAKER_03]: Like a streamlined version, not streamlined.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to put it, but yeah, I know what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: I gotta check it out because it sounds like I can like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But is it like kind of like happy sounding like the major label album is or is it a little more?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's happy sounding definitely, but it's just way faster.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, and like, like, new bomb Turks, they use things, a huge influence.
[SPEAKER_01]: That, that record destroy a boy is also one of my favorite records of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it made sense that would be an influence on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think destroy a boy doesn't really get credit as being a hardcore record, but I've always thought it was hardcore record.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, this, what was the impelli?
[SPEAKER_03]: Pele, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pele, I think he has a Pele Pele jacket.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet you the guy, they made some money.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did a record with Tim Berlin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if it wasn't for the fact that the public has cut that interview off, there's a lot of stuff that I should, I'm not going to go into about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's how.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll went down.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it got cut.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like people were like, oh, you edited it way down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, that's exactly how long I had.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I had a lot of other questions, but they did a record later on with Tim Berlin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like one song, like one song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Timberland was looking for a group maybe, because he ended up doing a record with Chris Cornell, like a whole album.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Timberland is like the most overrated producer of all time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what that record is, truly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine that's a bright spot for Chris Cornell, Reston piece.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you could tell, because you kind of told me off air about what went down with the Pelle interview.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you could tell, and there was like a part in the beginning where he's like, oh wait, this dude is a head.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he slowly, like totally loosens up and it's like, okay, oh, oh, yeah, you know, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can tell when he threw up the happy farm thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was expecting me to come back with like, oh, who's happy for him?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, if you can believe that Ben with that name, and then it's like, oh, I fucking love happy farm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ready for this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot more stuff I wanted to talk to him about, too, because like, I feel
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that Swedish music in general, super fascinating to me, and the ascensionist Swedish pop internationally and globally, like, I assume going back to Abba.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, like Rockset is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rockset, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's, it's the only, like you can say, like a death punk or Phoenix, but those bands don't really have like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like more like in an anomaly than with the Swedish bands, which just feel like they're just part of a machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: These bands are just in every genre too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we'd be talking about like the Swedish house mafia, we could be talking about it in tuned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, yeah, and it also just like the way certain things come to that country, and at least from an outsider's perspective, seen to the end of like shift everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know, Pelai kind of pushed back on it being that band super dawn.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know that band.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's up with them?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're on one of those really fast comps and it's that total like epiphat style Swedish like perfect punk that they kind of like perfect like they take the epiphat genre and just like be like, okay, that's what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the perfect version of that thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like the Swedish high standard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they were like, but they kind of were coming around whenever an ounce is still doing like
[SPEAKER_01]: a troll punk or a tang punk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the, but they're doing like this like epiphat sounding stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's satanic surfers and milling call and no fun at all that kind of all around that time start doing this sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like it's, it's interesting how it's shifted the whole country, seemingly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's that religion?
[SPEAKER_01]: What label were they on?
[SPEAKER_01]: really fast records.
[SPEAKER_01]: They only do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they only have that one song on a comp.
[SPEAKER_01]: They might have a couple other comps and maybe there's something I'm forgetting about, but they weren't on like burning heart or bad taste, which are like the two sort of like signpost labels for that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you heard of the band?
[SPEAKER_01]: Primal?
[SPEAKER_01]: They were a Swedish band, but the singer was like a surfer from San Diego who moved to Sweden to surf.
[SPEAKER_01]: They might be the, like you're saying, like that guns and will anchor song being like the perfect definition of that mall punk kind of sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like this is like the perfect version of that kind of band.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the song called Fascist Free Society.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got a song about how much he hates his,
[SPEAKER_01]: his dad for never being there like it's just like the lyrics and they're all in English and they're all sung by an American guy so they have that kind of like Southern California like vocal miracle approach to it but with this sort of Swedish perfect version of that sound like the metal leads are played perfectly every the drumming is so fucking tight
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, so much of that stuff that they could like really play.
[SPEAKER_03]: But what's the term that he used for like eighties?
[SPEAKER_03]: So we just punk each.
[SPEAKER_03]: Troll punk or troll punk?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Troll punk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's like, there's like two.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like more sing-songy kind of like slightly slower.
[SPEAKER_01]: Asked to cast a. Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're considered the first.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but they also kind of cross over and they would play with the sort of like king punks or rompunk bands.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and those bands are like, you know, anti-seemax.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all that kind of like, oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're, they look slightly different when you look, look at photos of the band side by side.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can be like, yeah, I could see how this, like it almost looked like they would sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, anti-seemax, like they look crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They look like crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like, there's like a bunch of that kind of wave mob forty seven and then all those bands that like look,
[SPEAKER_01]: unbelievable like super post-apocalyptic kind of punk rock vibes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's kind of that with a troll punk bands, but then they also have this kind of, I don't know, like he nailed it, Pervisa.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of goofy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of silly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they kind of have like a slight error of that to it, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's another, what's the other really big one?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not, not as to Casca.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, chart of, seventy seven, chart for seventy seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now there's one that has like a crazy, um, discography.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're, they're more like troll punk or like more like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to see if it'll come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: There might be, yeah, because there were a bunch of troll punks that I had no idea when I was kind of digging into it afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, we're like, and there's also bands that do that style in other countries.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, we're a trost-style punk band, which makes sense because it's like how many burning spirit style punk bands are there around the world that aren't from Japan?
[SPEAKER_03]: So weird, like, I've never heard these terms before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I'm really into
[SPEAKER_01]: When we talk with this all the time, especially with America, but like the regional variations that kind of happen with punk rock is like punk adapts the local culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I remember someone telling me this in Sweden one time that troll punk is closer to like Swedish folk elements kind of being in there, like it's at least rooted in that sort of melodic tradition in some way, whereas
[SPEAKER_03]: the the raw punk kank punk stuff is just straight discharge straight discharge yeah yeah I mean I yeah it reminds me like when I
[SPEAKER_03]: When I lived in New York, I had this roommate.
[SPEAKER_03]: I stayed in this kind of like, it was like this old hotel that was turned into like a dorm, but not for any specific school.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just had to go to a school to live there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I had a couple of different roommates during the year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I lived there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But one of them was this Japanese kid who was like a Japanese snowboard dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and I was like, what kind of music are you into?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, uh, Merrocore, Merrocore.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, what do you even say in Merrocore?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I was trying to like figure out what the hell he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm thinking he was saying like, Melocore, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: he didn't know he was saying that it's just like their word and it's like because I was like is it like core like hardcore like he's like he didn't even really know what I meant you know and I was like showing them like you know like whatever like hardcore and punk CDs I had but he but to them that was like
[SPEAKER_03]: high standard and epaphat and stuff, but he only knew that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he didn't know any punk other than epaphat.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like that was their name at that time for that style.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I guess like every place has their, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Japan is like, I think we even talked about this on an earlier episode, but to me that's the most like mind blowing place for the regional variations or like the
[SPEAKER_01]: micro variations of punk rock and yeah because going there I just kind of thought like all these Japanese hardcore bands that we worship we're going to be super popular and then you get there and we're like oh no there's like millions of other little punk scenes and like yeah like this mellow course scene is is the way bigger version of and that's the stuff people actually really like but then it's weird you go to like a label like hg fact and they put a desk side records and then they also put a high standard records and then
[SPEAKER_01]: So there are like places where it does kind of cross over and or like there are people or labels like that kind of cross over to all these different worlds.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's such a small country and yeah that stuff and like the media, the music media there is like really tight you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a guy Mal who's a popular wrestler and at that point was just kind of like breaking in
[SPEAKER_01]: to DDT, and when we did the episode with DDT, he kind of was the guy to take everyone's finisher, because no one to take all of the finisher's, but we had to, because he was like the trainee guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then afterwards we were talking, and I'm like talked about, you start talking to me about punk, because he knew fucked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He heard about fucked up or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, are you into this band?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this band?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, no, I like beat down.
[SPEAKER_01]: beat down music and this before you know I think beat down like it was like more like something you used to kind of be like oh shit that band sucks or just to beat down band yeah it's a genre right yeah back then it was just like it was like a way to just be like I fuck that forget that thing and so I was blown away by it and I'm like is there a scene here for that it's like oh yes and blew my mind but introduced me to so many bands I'd never heard of
[SPEAKER_03]: That reminds me, I have a, I listen to the last episodes, sometimes I'll listen to our episodes of like, see how I could like speak better or something, you know, like that just kind of like take like mental notes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I misspoke because I said that I was in the band that turned into knockdown and I said let down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what I was like blown away when you said let down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that was a mistake because we covered let down by chain of strength.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was in my head.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were called full contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I now I definitely know full contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely, yeah, became knocked down as a full contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the, the story of why we had to change our name for full contact to knock down was
[SPEAKER_03]: There used to be this chick who went to shows in Philly, who I think she was from New York and she used to wear gold fronts and had like crazy style.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I got to ask like some homies if they remember her name or whatever that hell happened to her, but she was pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I remember she like delivered a message from to us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Most I think to Zach from Shark Attack, who was a singer of full contact from Jorge.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's basically like, you know, I got a message for Smokey.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you ate Smokey and ate a motherfuckin' message, it was basically like that, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: But it was like, I got a message from Jorge, you know, y'all motherfuckin' better keep cool, change in name, you know, because he had a band called Full Contact that world.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's funny because I knew it because I remember they had a song on New York's hardest one or two and me and Jody Jesse from Magnus used to sing it constantly and went
[SPEAKER_03]: here I come around your way suckers don't flex because they know I don't play.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm for real.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know the deal better take cover.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm about to kill another motherfucker who tries to flex.
[SPEAKER_03]: All he gets is a hole in his chest from the shotgun blast.
[SPEAKER_03]: You were your punk ass crew won't last.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we were just because it's amazing, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way they're lyrics of that new e-in freestyle that everyone's talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I still remember the lyrics to this day, you know, but I just, I guess I forgot that they were called full contact.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I just do the song.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so that's the reason that full contact had to change their name to knock down.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure knock down is from the unreleased straight ahead song, knowing Zack attacks taste at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I just wanted to
[SPEAKER_01]: I was, because like, when you said let down, I'm like, I was doing the math in my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, those kids must've been like five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went into the kids of the band.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a full contact magazine that sent a season to assist you guys from Toronto.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, that was like a park or zine, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: With like a color color cover and everything, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Full covered full color glossy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if that magazine existed in this era and people still while at magazines, it's like the perfect magazine for this era because it was like kind of two pro.
[SPEAKER_01]: For the time, but it was it was a cool magazine like.
[SPEAKER_01]: They reviewed my shitty band's demos and stuff, but they also had like a crazy photo shoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is back when no one outside of Detroit really cared about coldness life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like not like now where everyone loves coldness life, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they went down and they did this crazy photo shoot with like everyone in CTYC and all the dogs.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've all the dogs with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's where those photos are from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those, that's where those photos are from.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like a bunch of cool articles and cool stuff in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was, I don't know, all the issues were, but there's a certain point where Kathy, it was translated to be Japanese, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you read the magazine, there'd be articles in English, and then right below would be a Japanese translation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I've seen those.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a, it was a cool magazine for the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the time, though, also being like, it's too slick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the victory magazine or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm trying to think of some other stuff from from the the pelly interview, but yeah, there was the.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when I asked him about what's his name from creation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alan and Alan again, Al McGee and I went and tried to find.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like back up of the fact that he did move to Hamilton at one point, could not find it, but he definitely did sign syllables or white from Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_01]: And seeing as that been never toward even Canada, I would have guessed you, I imagine would have had to have been some sort of local thing that he's seen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm never even heard of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they have an LP that's on pop tones.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy when you go through that pop tones catalog, because you're like, oh, wow, they put it a lot of hit records around that time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where, I mean, the hives, they were in where they on ever on creation.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're on pop tones, which is post creation label that he did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one of my, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, I didn't even realize that they were on pop tones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing as a waste has got back together, and then we're talking about creation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have I ever told you about the waste of stuff that allegedly, oasis was never actually on creation, that the whole thing was like a PND deal from Sony to give them credibility?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you said that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You, you buy that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard it from a very reliable source that
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but source that I don't know knows for sure, but a source that would have been around at that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So allegedly, I will say allegedly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also heard the same thing with smashing pumpkins and Caroline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was Sony, too, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sony or Virgin?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, Virgin.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think, I think, Virgin.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, um, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, smashing pumpkins on Caroline was,
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, like I. Those records are invisible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, they're nowhere near.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you think all smashing punches is un-licinable, but yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think those are more-licinable than where it went, definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: See, I'm on the opposite.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I can't listen to the early ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the whole way through, I'm just not.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not my thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the vocals.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but yeah, like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of that shit going on in the early two thousands where like labels were being paid or indie labels were getting bought by major labels to give credit releases to people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it happened with all those kind of like hot topic, kind of hardcore labels, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or at least that was the rumor back then.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I guess, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like at that point, like being on creation, like giving that much cred, like
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it probably would have, give you a story for the record.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think since people's expectations a little bit lower, give you a chance to kind of, it's like being in the miners, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I guess, but, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I personally don't don't buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here's a real controversial hot take for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: would, like, we're a racist cool, like outside of Britpoppy nerd people that went to clubs in, in America, prior to Porter, wearing the Oasis shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember just being like Britpoppy nerd shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember people like being like, no one
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I felt like it wasn't cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, certainly not for punk and hardcore kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then after Porter were the shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to name names.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there were a lot of hardcore kids that immediately were like, Oh, I've liked this band all along.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Luke's bear, everybody liked Oasis before, or wore the shirt for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the, I feel like in the East Coast United States that time, the divide between the mod and the punk rock hardcore scene was not non-existent, whereas up here it was like a lot more present.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The hardcore kids were, were bigger dorks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, we were a little cooler for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like Oasis isn't cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then they were, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never like an acquiesce is the only song that I really like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I've rather sung.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's like the only, like, Wonderwall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Wonderwall would someone play Wonderwall in a fucking party or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd be like, oh, this fucking loser.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go back to summer camp dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Wonderwall.
[SPEAKER_03]: But dude, the first LP front to back is like, perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: The laziest lyrics.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't, you don't get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you don't get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've never, you've never attempted to write a song.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's listenable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've written it with some songs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trust me, I can write a litmus song, but I won't go for the, I mean, like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like with, like, like, yeah, but like, right in rip off Beatles chords.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, they can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you saying that a waceless are better than any, like, than lush?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's simpler.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easier for people to understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give it down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dude, I don't think you understand how hard it is to write songs like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, that's I mean the long happy life never know if you could do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: What did you just do it and be rich?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, okay, look it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at me every bad decision you can make as a person in the music business.
[SPEAKER_03]: I fucking okay, maybe not you but every dumb fuck who you know what I mean who wants to say not cool people like like
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you think the people in my bloody Valentine were like, oh, fuck, you know, waste is sick?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're, they're old.
[SPEAKER_03]: My bloody Valentine are way older than Oasis and they're five years older.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're also freaks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's like the cool people are the freaks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not the, not that like, do she do to the nightclub?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this guy, he likes his sex pistols.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did the sex pistols once.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an asshole.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but they're there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oasis are also different than their fans.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they were like, rowdies.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were like, in spiral carpet, rowdies and shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, they were, yeah, I know, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I've met Liam, you know, and like, he was super nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's what I'm taking that back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a dick, but in the way you'd want to be a dick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything, so I like, I'm coming off like, I love a way, I like, I do like a waste of this, like more than a smash of pump.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I do legitimately like a waste of this, but I'm also like, really that bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're crazy, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the closest thing we have to like the stones or something like that, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only stones kind of are also like, not as good as the kinks.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Rolling Stones, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just ripped off blues records in the same way that the voice is just ripping off Beatles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you're crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your music taste is.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll never agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think like the thing that like make something universal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Makes you, it like makes you not like it or it's something that you just don't have the receptor for.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the receptor for it, but it also makes me angry that other people don't see what I see in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on a musician.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't making punk.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is the main difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I talk about this with friends of mine, where I'm like, that's why I like respect no warning so much because they're true rockers.
[SPEAKER_03]: If there wasn't punk, they would be
[SPEAKER_03]: trying to make it playing a different kind of music.
[SPEAKER_03]: If there wasn't that kind of music, they would be trying to make Bollywood soundtrack.
[SPEAKER_03]: So whatever, it would keep you feeling, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's how I am.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: And like that's how there's certain people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because I think you lack, no, you get it and you can make this music.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think deep down inside of you,
[SPEAKER_01]: you also hate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just like, it's like a pearl of like protection built around the fact that you know that this stuff sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I like separate things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like music is different than punk music to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's music on a whole and like what makes music good and what I, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I can enjoy any kind of music and then, you know, punk and like scene stuff and cred and all this stuff, that's different.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I don't care about the scene stuff or the cred.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, like stuff getting popular in general, even in punk and hardcore,
[SPEAKER_01]: It gets my backup because I don't I don't want this to ever be popular people music and that's like the one thing about this era that I'm I'm kind of apprehensive about is like seeing this potentially become popular people music
[SPEAKER_01]: because that's like, you know, I'll tell you this.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not gonna happen because I don't think it's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you what I heard a couple new releases from some punk based artists coming out this month and it sounds like they straight up never heard music before.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're, I don't know what the hell they think they're making.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who they think it's for.
[SPEAKER_03]: But an ain't gonna happen bro.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's a video game soundtracks because he's right cuz kind of have that like Just like a bunch of riffs put together in the same way that like a video game soundtrack would have it Yeah, it's really fucking weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know like I I think it's like what we're describing where we're talking about like
[SPEAKER_03]: there's a difference between like fucking making a hardcore record and making music like yeah and if you're gonna like go for it and try to like make something I could tell like you what what kids now like they're finding out about like the crow soundtrack they're finding about the the mainstream shit that we grew up on that's us is just normal and they think is they worship and you know like and
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how to explain it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I I grew through you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like like and that came across in that in the Cal Gordon conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about limpus kit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and this moment where where people are like, oh, let the limpus kit cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, it was not cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was it was whatever it was, but there was like better versions of that thing available to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that version of that thing was just not cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to go back to the Brad Pitt Patrick's Yeah, but the thing but I was about to say the thing that like the thing about them is they weren't cool in that way or in our way like Olympus kit were for like scummers
[SPEAKER_03]: And they were for scummers like that new metal was for scummers like it was for morons like you know what I'm saying it wasn't for like the you know like yeah anyone I don't yeah I don't I don't know I don't was like yeah I guess like the new me the new metal that people would have You know like there there are I guess like Downset raising us a machine yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: But that point is still kind of underground, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, but then once it got mainstream, it was a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like straight to the monster energy factory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, monster energy drink a thing then.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: The craziest show I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joel.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were still rocking with Joel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joel, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The craziest paper show I ever saw was at South by Southwest.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a monster energy drink.
[SPEAKER_01]: sponsored secret hatred show the first time they've played a show and Jamie must have talked about Moss around drink like six times on stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was wearing like all monsters.
[SPEAKER_01]: She drank here on stage too.
[SPEAKER_01]: The show was insane though.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the most violent mosques that ever seen in my life and they were fucking incredible, but it was a weird Moss around drink evening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I got thought, I got thoughts.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I mean, I don't, I know what you mean.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like, the lane is there for hardcore and punk till like, oh, mainstream, like you're describing, but I'm seeing a lot of bricks being put up by these motherfuckers that are trying to sell out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, I'm not going to believe it until I see one of my kids, friends or classmates.
[SPEAKER_01]: wearing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I never, whenever I think that I can make a punk connection outside, it never works.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, oh, yeah, they have to know title fights huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have, and I'll bring it, and I'll look like an idiot, and they never heard of it before.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it still isn't, it's not happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it's their hat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like every other thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a micro, yes, world.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like every other thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the more that we go down that lane, we're just more and more little micro subcultures and tiktokisms break off from one another.
[SPEAKER_03]: All that happens is that just shrinks that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: actual popular things, just become even more harder to break through to.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, and turn, turn-style are the only, in my opinion, are the only ones that are going to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because everything else, because turn-style are the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're, they're music people, like, like, no warning.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Everyone else said I hear trying to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, you don't like music.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can tell you.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's the thing, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The motive, like you're saying, punk and hardcore, the motivation to make punk and hardcore prior to the commercial era.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even after commercial era, this was like, you did it because you loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe you wanted to get popular amongst your friends, but like the idea that this was going to be anything beyond this thing was ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now that we're at a point where there are real stakes and there are like opportunities for people,
[SPEAKER_01]: people are now going to have to stop making punk music and are going to have to start making more popular music or more music than kind of crossover.
[SPEAKER_03]: And other areas that would get you kicked out of the punk scene, but now obviously it's people are all fine unless like but every once in a while there is that crossover of people that are legit and do love this this thing of ours and they are
[SPEAKER_03]: fucking real musicians and understand music and and it's undeniable like a fucking you know what I mean that that happens every so often yeah yeah like a fucking green day a job breaker a turn style of you know blah blah blah whatever
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but job breaker died on the rocks, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Green day succeeded.
[SPEAKER_01]: No warning died on the rocks turn or sell seemingly seems to be succeeding and not green day levels yet, but like turns.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean job breaker died on the rocks, but like they're legendary.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're one of the greatest bands of all time, but they were
[SPEAKER_01]: deer you kind of killed, well, did kill that as a band, but I think it also like killed the fan base too for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was, yeah, yeah, and I don't, and I don't understand, I don't get that because to me, that's by far their best record.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to go that far, but I do agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great record.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, for me, it's, I never listen to their other records.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like deer you is fucking on the so sick.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, and I think no warning, we're just like, wrong time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a wrong time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at that point, to do what you're saying, to do that jump and be like, okay, we're music people, you kind of had to be like, I'm no longer a punk hardcore person, like turn your back on it, style yourselves differently, start playing a new genre, music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like people are like, oh, what does if inside out have put out that rage against the machine record?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, would it have become rage against the machine?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, how fucking know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that had to put aside the punk stuff and be like, okay, I'm gonna try and write just mainstream music now with these guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that wasn't the actual conversation, but that's kind of what had to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And see, it was no warning, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they had to be like, oh, we fucking hate punk and hardcore.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like in the metal now or in the rock.
[SPEAKER_01]: go with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So weird like I was just yesterday I was listening to an interview with a dude from Jay June that like nine these emo band that I really like them and the guys in the Atari or that jazzed you that's jazzed June.
[SPEAKER_03]: he's from San Diego and I think the rest of the band or the other guys are from Boston and the girl in it is from Hawaii originally I think but anyway he was you know that he's just like telling like the the
[SPEAKER_03]: timeline of the band and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like, it's just that kind of thing where we talked about before where there was that part that like, everyone thought like, oh, emo is going to be the next big thing and all these bands are going to get their break or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they each got their break and they all fumbled it because they
[SPEAKER_03]: tried to not be emo.
[SPEAKER_03]: As soon as they got their break, they're like, oh, the thing that made that goddess here, I'm going to pretend I'm not that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And like this dude was like, yeah, at the time, I was just like really into seventies, glant British glam rock.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like so many of those guys got obsessed with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like trying to like, I'm more like Johnny Thunders.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not get up kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're an idiot.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you just you like took your golden ticket and wiped your ass with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the only band that I think really broke out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like really it was Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, then he talks about that because they were, you know, they had a split.
[SPEAKER_03]: They toured together and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he said that
[SPEAKER_03]: It was actually supposed to be shhh shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the other emo band, uh, promise ring?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, a little more, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: deeper than promise ring.
[SPEAKER_03]: Chrissy front drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to be Chrissy front drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they got a call from a scout or whatever and A and R. And they like didn't thought it was a prank or just like didn't take it seriously.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in the conversation, we're like, yeah, you guys should check out Jimmy World, like they're better than us.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's how Jimmy World got discovered and got on a major.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, which is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they were on.
[SPEAKER_01]: like no idea, before I think the first record?
[SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy, yeah, because they opened for the promised ring in Toronto, promised ring grade Jimmy World.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's when they just had the EP before that first LP came out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, ah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're from Arizona, which doesn't really make under a sense sense, but I'm not seeing anything on no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Weird, what was their first the first CP on then?
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, they got signed pretty early on, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: They did right away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they did have like an indie piece.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they, they were the band, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that just that stole that kind of, well, I don't stole that scene, but they were the band that kind of became the, uh, I think they're the ones who had the chops to like make that kind of music.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't think any of those other bands had the chops.
[SPEAKER_01]: The punk rock passion is a big thing too, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you get to that point, you're like, okay, can we do this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, are we really going to sign this major label?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we really going to do?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think with emo, that was a, you know, what we're calling emo, like this, I don't think that was a thing with any of these bands, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think I think it would have been, maybe I'm wrong with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: No idea thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But fuel by ramen, they had a record on fuel by a ramen that I would have been afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I feel like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I would imagine with the guys in jazz, June, maybe even some of the guys in the promis ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of came at a pumpkin hard court, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is all like people that would have been disciples of Fugazi.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think like when you're playing that super melodic strain and strand of emo and you know, like, I don't think you're, I don't know for some reason I think that's justifiable because you're like, because it's like, it's not the music's not political, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a different kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's also the thought that like, oh, you're going to just fucking, like, what are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just going to break up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to get popular.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there was like a real self to feed a status to too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, like I said, they all tried it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Get up kids had how to how to deal promissory and how to deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they say they had to deal like they all, they all tried it.
[SPEAKER_01]: saves the day, I think, uh, found success outside of.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, when they play now, they're playing cancel down from the back tour.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had, they had, there's been some issues with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's been issues below none of their records broke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that one on a vagrant, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it had, like MTV buzz been hot topic era.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that was the one thing that was like the one right that us say what you are whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, that came out when I worked at Target.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, yeah, but I think that was the that was the last one where I had like a little yeah, I don't know whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, whenever the case is, it didn't work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first time saves a day played Toronto, they played it with Fast Break and Matt the Long from no warning.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is hard heckled them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole set, just being like, where's the dude from both piece?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the dude from both piece?
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole set.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, they brought up a one stage at one point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you just cut the mic and was like, where's the do for mouthpiece?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of mouthpiece talk today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the grease, the grease, the grease indeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should we, uh, before we wrap up, do, do a show and tell?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we didn't talk about, uh, the other episode of the garden.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did cry, we were talking about directly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you've got points about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't really have any points about it, but I would say like, yeah, like when you told me he was coming on the show, like just that week for some reason, like at the Cold World practice, we were like talking about him and just about how like the new metal song and like one of the other songs, like me and Haroon were talking about like, yo, like he like
[SPEAKER_03]: really gets what makes that music that music like he like really is you know what I mean and it's funny because he said that in the interview he's like you know I really study this the songwriting and stuff of each one of these genres to you know especially like the the emo one like the like alternative press like era emo one like
[SPEAKER_01]: It's evil x a lot of or the other you've got that other one where it's kind of like an AFI sounding song almost yeah that one yeah it's dude it's amazing it was funny because he hit me up and was like hey I'm a big fan of your podcast and I like your band.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, cool, like, are you in a punk?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, no, I was never really in a punk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, well, I do this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, well, I do love the remote.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, that's my favorite band.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, my favorite episode of your podcast and names like the most random episodes, which have remote content.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then after he was on the show, he's messaging me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, hey, I'm listening to the porcel episode and turns out he's from the same town in the arm from.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, just deep diving on all these other genres.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's definitely
[SPEAKER_01]: like you can tell like you're saying when you hear these songs he's someone that like loves music and studies it and like like not like me where I get caught up in my personal feelings on this shit like with stuff that I hate I just dismiss it right away but even stuff that he doesn't like he's like what makes yeah exactly yeah I mean even like the the UK garage track it's like insane yeah like when he nails like things like that like these these little nuances where I'm like
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how could you be new wants enough in all these different genres at once?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because like, there are things that he's hitting on, I think that only people that know this stuff would pick up on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he's like, yeah, he's like a new like weird out, but like for the TikTok generation, for like the stuff that is relevant to, you know, to kids now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well speaking of which like I my kids hate this podcast like not this one, but turn it upon.
[SPEAKER_01]: They really don't like it because I always talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm always trying to like relate it to them in some way like in typical little metal fashion like oh, well, you know, the show you like well, the guy that was on this show used to be in a band with this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, yeah, so I did the Calgary episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I had this guy on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you like to Camden my youngest kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, no one cares about your dump pod cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I showed a picture of Kyle and they were like, oh my god, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're coming back and podcasted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like my neighbor down the street too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're talking about earlier, like with the podcast name or these really popular podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're like someone like Kyle Gordon who goes viral, constantly, like the level of recognition you have these days is
[SPEAKER_01]: through the roof.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Kyle Mooney was just on the podcast a couple of weeks before and incredible comedian like one of a comedic genius someone who's got eight ten years on Saturday live eight years on Saturday live.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I don't know if he says recognizable as Kyle Gordon like because Kyle Gordon's got three point nine million followers on TikTok.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, the fact that they would even be comparable is crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean, like as far as facial recognition, you know, and I agree, like everybody knows Kyle Gordon somehow, you know, yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Go on, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was dope.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was such a nice dude on the
[SPEAKER_03]: on the on the podcast, but it was interesting like because it just made me think about like just like the age gap where he was like, yeah, like, you know, like I would have like my iPod, I would put like genres and like, you know, put what I thought represented that genre.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like the germs and you were like, yeah, like that, you know, yeah, like some on our age, we think of that that CD, the black CD with the the the one that everybody had.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I downloaded, I had like lexicon double seven and jumpy three since I'm like, well, you know, it's so weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like the way that people find out about music now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, depending on the genre, it's like wrong, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because even just like,
[SPEAKER_03]: and like the locking out slack chat.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like an EDM channel and we talk about like dance music and stuff and like a couple of the guys on there will be like finding out about like, you know, ninety strumming bass artists and they'll like put in these like random guys from the nineties and they're like, oh, what's up with him, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they'll be like, yeah, that he came up on Spotify and I'm like, yo, like, this music is not meant to be, I don't say this because I don't care, but like they're finding it out about like random artists
[SPEAKER_03]: in such a weird sequence.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like finding out who...
[SPEAKER_03]: like struggle is before you even know about the Ramones.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: But then meanwhile with like a music like drum and bass, like that music isn't even supposed to be listened to song by song.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're supposed to listen to DJ sets.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the songs are like seven minutes long.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not supposed to just listen to them in a play.
[SPEAKER_03]: Listen psychotic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And hardcore is like this too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like so much of like dance music is
[SPEAKER_01]: for like a live communal setting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like Punk and Heartwork, we're like, so you see a song every one of the show will be singing along to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You be like, oh my God, that memory, I'm gonna take that memory by listening to this song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you'd be at a party and you hear the song playing as you have an incredible time dancing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's like, yeah, almost like, remove from the context.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the context can be completely stripped away from it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cause if you like, when you look at like,
[SPEAKER_03]: not like nineties or early two thousand's like any kind of dance music like you look at the track on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_03]: All the comments are all I got.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't all remember Carl Cox dropped this at cream fields in ninety seven or you know, oh, oh, oh can feel dropped this on.
[SPEAKER_03]: BBC one or you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, like, that's how you're supposed to remember it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not like, I can't, I've never forget the day Spotify recommended this because I listened to, you know, the chemical brothers is like, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you finally came over my algorithm sucks, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, speaking, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here's, here's, you want, you want a clipable moment that could take us viral.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hardness take ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a hot take.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harder than a waste of sucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that I mean, that take is smoking hot and sucky.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I remember, I think on the last episode, I said, everyone's in a while, I'll check in on hardcore Reddit when I get bored.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like the other day, I checked in on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was a screen grab of Kristen Ritter from Breaking Bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Breaking Bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was like, Sean Ritter's daughter.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was like, what, what hardcore band is she into?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or what, what sub genre or whatever is she into?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm here to answer that question because I went to high school with Kristen Ritter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You went to like school with a guy that gave what Justin Bieber, the tattoo.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't go to school with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was in Magnus.
[SPEAKER_03]: He gave Britney Spears a tattoo.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that'll be another clipable moment in a future episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when I was in my house, I was in a super, living in a super small town.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like our high school was seventh to twelveth grade.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was like middle school and high school together.
[SPEAKER_03]: There wasn't a middle school.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was probably in
[SPEAKER_03]: I was in eighth grade probably and she came in.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was a grade below me and she moved to town.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was like, you know, this was like Baywatch area.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was like a super skinny chick with like black hair and like dress kind of weird and shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: So she was like first like a little bit of a
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, like, not outcast, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: People didn't know what to think of or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: But let's just say, I knew what to think of her.
[SPEAKER_03]: And eventually she became one of the cool girls.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was like friends with the kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: My group of friends in the gear below me were like skaters.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we got into punk and stuff together.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was friends with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one night we were at the mall.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we ran into her and we were just like talking and she's like, oh, I got to go like my mom signed me up for this lame ass model search contest at the moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're like, all right, see, something like we saw her the next day at this at the school and she's like, yeah, like I won that thing and I have to like go to New York to get like head shots done or whatever next next month.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys won't go and like
[SPEAKER_03]: I already knew how to go to New York on the bus because I was going to go to buy records and sneakers and shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I went with them and she probably doesn't remember any of this or remember who I am, by the way, maybe.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, like I went to New York with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then, yeah, she did modeling and stuff throughout high school.
[SPEAKER_03]: here and there, but she dated this complete psychopath Damian Goobick who was like a straight-up demon.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember we used to like jam together.
[SPEAKER_03]: He played guitar and we were going to start a band.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, dude, I got the perfect name for the band.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like social distortion.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, dude, that's a band.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I brought in a prison-bound tape to show them.
[SPEAKER_03]: The next day, he's already a band.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's fucked them, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, he was just a total psycho.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm pretty sure he's dead now.
[SPEAKER_03]: But anyways, she dated him, the scariest guy in high school.
[SPEAKER_03]: And my one friend, John, and her had this unspoken love throughout high school.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she was just like total normy like the for the cool girls in our high school like it was like really cool to like just like be like the music they just like listen to like grateful dead and word and we're like not in anything you know what I mean they were just like regular like you know what I mean like they weren't even like hard parties or anything there wasn't really any hard party and going on in our school like it was pretty like
[SPEAKER_03]: you know what I mean like not lame like it was like you know like a normal yeah it was just normal yeah and then like um
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like kind of like lost like a lost track of her after I graduated high school.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then she was on the brother from everybody loves Raymond had a spin off show and she was her her his daughter in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I remember I saw her in a doctor pepper commercial.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then she was in fucking breaking bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then like she was in some like Marvel Netflix show or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's Jessica Jones.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Jessica Jones, and I think she's bringing back that role.
[SPEAKER_01]: So did she like any punk in an arcor bands?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, so what was the band like that you're going to do with her psychotic boyfriend?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like, it was like, nineteen ninety like three or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were like little kids.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we're playing like when I come around like in his, at his like dad's house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where did he come with a name so structured?
[SPEAKER_03]: You saw it in a magazine or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a psycho.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was a kid that would torture cats and shit like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember he was like play hockey and my one friend went to one of his hockey games and he said he was him and this other guy were the face off in the beginning of the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: And as soon as the puck dropped,
[SPEAKER_03]: threw down his gloves and just started destroying the dude in the middle of the game and got immediately ejected.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was actually the show that I was talking about earlier, weirdly enough with less than Jake and snuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jersey opened and the base player from Jersey used to be like a hockey dude, like a tough hockey player.
[SPEAKER_01]: a goalie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we went up to the Jersey van and they had like a beat, CR set up in their van.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, watch this and he put in a video.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as a goalie, skating across the ice to beat up the other goalie in the middle of the city.
[SPEAKER_01]: So awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember Jersey, they played well, spare a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were, they were a band from here that got a majored label deal for a hot minute.
[SPEAKER_03]: And oh, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were
[SPEAKER_01]: They were assigned to fuel by ramen.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like one of the first bands on fuel by ramen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the tap was kind of sniffing around them for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: Greg, the lead singer, main guy, and that was also in Jersey.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was kind of like, had his focus divided.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then blanking on her name, but the singer from that band, married both from a veil.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And was, I think, bows like first real serious relationship after he broke up with Lita.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It all comes back to pro wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Canadian, the Scott Punk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I have the Jersey demo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of, maybe this is how we kick off show and tell, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We show the most impressive thing from our collection, which for me is definitely, where is the Jersey demo?
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it have to be the most impressive thing for me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, because if I'm from the Jersey demo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This demo is actually fucking sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not the biggest scopunk fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this demo is unreal.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were scopunk.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember them just being kind of like pop punk.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, I think they ditched the scopunk sound and kind of went more for like hot water music.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I remember them being like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this demo is like, I'm writing really poppy scalpunks songs.
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy Greg from Jersey and grade could write a song.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like one of those people you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could write a song in any genre type thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just happened to wind up in this inventing screamo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this that Jersey demo count in your three three three?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll only just one of my three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's one of the three of both of the Jersey tremor, which Jersey show I bought this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: This was like the Frampton comes alive for Southern Ontario.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pumpkins and everyone had this fucking demo.
[SPEAKER_03]: I remember like, I like correlate them with like this band Bigwig.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember a bigwig?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, from New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like they toured with them and like played Volkswagen with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: When Bigwig played Snow Jam up here one time,
[SPEAKER_01]: like the no warning guys and me were doing like security or something we're all there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the drummer was in some old anthrax era hardcore band.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just telling us like stories and spitsing judge and underdog and yeah, all this youth today and like just all these anthrax kind of era type stories for all this kids and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I have a lot more advanced asking about, but back then I was pretty limited in what I knew.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that's a good start.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, sure is Jersey demo.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I just kind of like grab three three quick things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, three quick things.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me see here one second.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is going to be fun, everyone, because
[SPEAKER_01]: thought of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're really going to be seeing guys just take three literal random things from our room.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening this right now on the audio version, it's a good time to point out that there is a YouTube version of this where you can watch it over at the turn-up on YouTube channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just letting everyone know that if they're listening to the podcast version of this right now, it might be pretty boring.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they should check out the video.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, hey, I just grabbed three things that was real quick on the top of piles that I didn't have to dig for.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'll match your jersey demo with a crackdown demo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, damn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a real original crackdown demo?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now listen to the tape.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have the insert though.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it has other demos on the B side, the New York hoods, and youth under control, which are handwritten.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And side of the, I got this last year from Greg Mongolid, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who, who was youth under control?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it in, uh, Cooch and CC's, unauthorized guy to New York, hardcore demos?
[SPEAKER_03]: Good question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the best scene ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like one of those.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have to look up youth under control.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I have maybe I have an unripped demo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Coaches definitely going to need a copy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, he probably has it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, you're showing good stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like now I got a raise.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, that's the only good thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything, the other two things aren't crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was just at the top of my demo pile.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I, that was all I grabbed it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want to keep the listeners waiting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I got, I've, I'm going to grab something that is definitely not cool, but looks cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once that.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Acrid demo speaking of grade and they all came in cigarette packages.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where the cigarettes were acquired or what happened to the cigarettes, but they were all like, I don't know how many they would have made of these, not too many I mentioned, but it would come in this cigarette pack.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got the players pack, which is what my, my estranged grandfather would smoke.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: brings back a lot of memories still is a little bit of an odor in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there isn't insert for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a weird cigarette box players.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like we shaped weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this was Canadian packs were like really back there.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was like a king size.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were called this this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, God driving around my grandfather's car just he's just power smoking players.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm putting the Chris Cross tape.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the Chris crosses?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my grandfather was on that those Paul malls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't we have Paul balls appear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think we might have different tobacco.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know my dad would always buy like smuggled in camel cigarettes from America because you like the camels.
[SPEAKER_03]: We had extra chemicals in ours probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were, I remember Campbell cigarettes being really strong when I stole one of his.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Paul malls might be like unfiltered.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think they were unfiltered.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they were unfiltered.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were unfiltered.
[UNKNOWN]: These
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, they are they the band that had like the saw blade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this twin we'll ever dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it was a split with Leather dead and it's amazing because they're from Oakville and on the Leather Ted side, it says like Oakville sucks shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause they kind of didn't like each other.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, accurate.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never had that record, but I remember it like being pretty good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It definitely is a record that I like more now in retrospect, but at the time I remember being like, I like the left or dead side only.
[SPEAKER_01]: Accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Accurate was like, I don't know, they were like slightly, they were like younger, cool or like the Oakville scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, probably now I look back on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a lot of it was probably like insecurity in jealousy, but it always like they were like the cooler welfare kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's Hamilton and then there's Toronto on either side.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I always felt much more like a Hamilton fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Toronto didn't have much of a heart racing back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like actually like a really weak time in Toronto, hardcore.
[SPEAKER_03]: Where were grade from?
[SPEAKER_01]: Burlington, which is on the other side of Oakville just before a Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but what about in early.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got a pass.
[SPEAKER_03]: What about, um, believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Believe, I believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hamilton, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because a great belief split.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Believe wasn't really around for too too long.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like after that split came out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, remember I had that CD and there was one song that was great song that was so So insane the lyrics like we're about like how tough it is Knowing that like injustices of humanity and like nobody else knows and like he asked to carry that way and like normal people like Don't get it like he does you know or so I remember that's how I took the lyrics.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have asked Kyle from grade to come on this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thirty times, twenty five times and he's never coming on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He told me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he does not look back fondly on grade at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I liked that song by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, there were definitely some over the top lyrics to grade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the whole vibe was
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that was that time, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I, they get a big, I wasn't a big grade head.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that, that was, I think that was the only grade thing I had.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't have any of the records.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I might have won seven inch, but that was all I had.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting because that like separate the magnets record came out and it blew up in terms of like, all of this pants got momentum.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was like, are they going to sign a revelation or victory or some records?
[SPEAKER_01]: It took forever and I think they eventually signed to, well, it ultimately signed a victory.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it felt like by the time they signed a victory and they put out that record and they got the artist who had done all those new metal record covers to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the next record, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The victory record came out and I think it was like, I don't know, but it was the same thing we were kind of talking about earlier, like if you're going to go for it back then, it was really hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of people backlash on it and all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like there was like that that era.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like them like boy sets fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they and like somebody else.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they were kind of like going for, but I'm not sure what they were going for.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other boy sets fires are really interesting one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they had it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about that record they had with Jasmine's needle, which is insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But they had a song on that about being straight edge that might be the most insane straight edge song.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Life is full of so many simple crutches.
[SPEAKER_00]: They help me think they help me sleep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then something gets incredible.
[SPEAKER_03]: What the hell?
[SPEAKER_03]: So is it pro or anti straight edge?
[SPEAKER_03]: Pro.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very pro straight edge.
[SPEAKER_01]: But apparently the band wasn't straight edge, which became like the big controversy that kind of came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, that was the thing, like it came out that ignite wasn't straight edge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what were you fucking kidding me?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was such a big deal as if they weren't straight edge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fans would sell out, like I heard the guys from shutdown sold out of the hatred, two or after party, like drinking champagne.
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially if you were like an old school sounding band and you weren't straight edge, it was like, what the hell?
[SPEAKER_03]: What the hell?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we listening to this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so you have to go number two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, number two, I'll show off this.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don Pomotsomoto versus Chigusa Nagayo model set.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, have you seen it built anywhere?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did it have a picture of it built?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but it has like kind of like just like, yeah, diagrams.
[SPEAKER_03]: My wife got it for me for my, it's still like sealed or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I can't tell if it was like originally like came sealed or like whoever shield it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got to find out with Japanese stuff too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of times you buy like Japanese toys or model kids is like they seal it to make sure all the pieces stay in it almost.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I kind of want to crack it open because I have.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll grab it real quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, this is just a plug.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you should really be watching this on video because.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have the back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we'll just back.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have the like the single don't want some auto.
[SPEAKER_01]: So does it look like those cartoons or, oh, it does look like kind of cartoony version of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's called like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's called like Cheba, the Cheba, Cheba, Chebe, Chebe, Chebe version.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it's, I mean, obviously sick as hell.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it looks cool up on my record.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is sick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I got my third one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to think of something funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I've showed this before on TV or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, one second.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oasis rules smashing pumpkins rock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am at the top of the fucker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when I was at vice.
[SPEAKER_01]: They started doing a lot of advertorial content.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was doing all this cannabis coverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was working with people that were like legit, like, no joke, cannabis people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then so cannabis legalization was kind of coming on the horizon and advice decided like, oh, let's do more corporate cannabis stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they started doing all this corporate cannabis pieces.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did something with this terrible head shop opened up here that was like trying to be like, they're mandate was they were like, we're gonna gentrify weed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they started making these bonds that didn't work at a clay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know for you this means nothing, but they were just terrible bonds.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they went on this, they went on device.
[SPEAKER_01]: They shot the whole piece with these new clay bonds.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys were building and they started talking shit on glass pieces that people smoke weed out of.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, yeah, like everyone smokes weed out of a dragon-shaped bongs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're gonna make that go away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the glass community, the weed community, freaked the fuck out and they're like fuck-ficed, fuck this door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do they do it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, like the people at VICE, the guy was running it back then called me freaking out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what do we do?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we do then?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, fucking hate us now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was already working on the wrestling show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, because you guys fucked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what you got to do is you got to go film with Redbeard.
[SPEAKER_01]: who at the time was the main glass floor in Canada.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has this glass gathering out in Victoria.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go film with them and kind of show like the other side, the more legit side of this world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they go and film with Redbeard and while they're filming
[SPEAKER_01]: Bongs that he had made, he actually weirdly enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the first Bong I ever made.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a dragon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the vice camera guy is filming a close-up and knocks the Bong off the table and smashes it to pieces.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so as a fuck you device, Redbeard made this Bong, which shows the vice cameraman shooting a lightning bolt, exploding a recreation of the first Bong he ever made.
[SPEAKER_01]: right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he put this online right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, hey, when vice was in the piece about me, they smashed the first bug ever made.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I made this as kind of a fuck you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so again, my friend from vice of the time hit me up, like, what do we do?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we do?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, just buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it takes, just buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they bought it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it sat at the vice office until they shut the vice office down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then someone, they probably paid thousands of dollars for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was about to just throw it in a dumpster and another friend of mine who worked there, it was like, I'm gonna take that and give it to somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's all I got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You were like, you forgot smoking lamp.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my bag expensive piece.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to clean it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a possible clean though, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's my third piece for our show and tell.
[SPEAKER_03]: My third thing is something new.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a book of flyers and stuff from the Japanese Gabber and hardcore techno scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to say it's like visually like
[SPEAKER_03]: the cool like one of the coolest things I've ever fucking seen man like just like the you know the flyers in it are just like super anime now the earlier ones are funny because when you see the North American
[SPEAKER_01]: obviously take on this like it never looks this good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this stuff kind of is like more like it looks like what like the like digital hardcore.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, like Atari teenage riot stuff looks like whereas like when you see like the European like I mean, some of it looks like just straight up like like jab jab core.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally raging hardcore flyers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: This could be like a guy flyer, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like where I was like the European stuff looks more like, I don't know, it doesn't look like this, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: But this, this should just like look so cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's put together by this guy, Gabber, Eliganza, who's like a,
[SPEAKER_03]: like a, you know, he's like a historian of like, you know, like gap, gabber and hardcore techno, like are like kind of like the the oil of electronic music, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're kind of like look down on in a way throughout history because they're just kind of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Created us, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like kind of like basic and just like bugged out, you know, but he kind of like re-contactualizes it and like, um,
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, like some people, you know, obviously knew all along that that shit was sick and kind of fucked with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he kind of like is really good at like recontextualizing it and like presenting it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, you know, like, I don't know, just like documenting its history.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you, his, like, t's still like the tumbler, it started as a tumbler of like an archive of just like,
[SPEAKER_03]: hardcore gather history and like it's worth like just go and through that tumbler still like it's like one of the tumblers it still exists for a reason you know what i mean it's like fucking awesome but uh yeah he just he just came out with his book through his company never sleep um so i suggest copying it
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to probably order it from Japan.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this, this shipped from the States.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it depends on where you live, where you, like, I know, like, I think joint custody just got a few copies in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's, it's like, just like visually dope, you know, that's sick.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really sick.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I, and I think it was like, forty bucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I mean, yeah, I mean, it looks, it looks like hardcore punk, you know, mixed with like Atari Teenage Rise stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, so shout out to Gabber Eleganza and this book, Manga Core is the name of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Core as in like C-O-R-P-S.
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple years ago, we went on tour with Sacred Pause.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were, the base player was also a Gabber DJ, Lady Neptune.
[SPEAKER_01]: And on the last day of tour, she's like, I just grabbed you doing drops for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like for my mixed-safe stuff and I'm like, oh yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just did like a bunch of drops.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, so what are the shows like that you play?
[SPEAKER_01]: And she showed me a video of her playing and like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like this kid gets on stage beside her and he's dancing and then he just pulls it a lighter and like this fucking pants on fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a craziest shit I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's dancing and this fucking pants.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the shit's going up and flames and he has to take him off on stage.
[SPEAKER_03]: What the hell?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen a lot of crazy shit at heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course shows, but I've never seen someone like themselves on fire on purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen to happen on accident, but never on purpose.
[SPEAKER_03]: I might have.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen a happen on accident that they live show or the guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember what, but I think I have seen someone set their cells on fire on purpose at a hard workshop.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think Gigi would have ever done it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't think you might have been too wet.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have been too wet.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's too moist.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not flammable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gigi is flame retardant.
[SPEAKER_01]: I try to light myself on fire, but I just wouldn't take the flames wouldn't take.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gabber, like they do this weird dance called the, it's called like Haka or some shit where they like, they put their like legs up like this and it looks so unnatural and it's just kind of like, it's so European because it's so fucking white and there's like no like, like what we think of as like groovy soul, like in, you know, dancing like smooth, it's like the opposite of that where it's just like, it looks like a fuck.
[SPEAKER_03]: a robot glitching.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like so European.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like someone's got to just like make like the toxic waste fest and all toxic waste fest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just like death match wrestling, gabber techno.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like just the now would be cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like all this shit is now cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like in the nineties or like in the year been early two thousands.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was like the warship.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was kind of like what I talked about in the last episode like trash culture, like I would say like Gabber is like sort of like trash culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that means like years from now, whatever the future equivalent of John Waters is, is going to put it at a book about Gabber techno, like you did it with trash culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you amazing?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this has been a lot of fun, woe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And anytime, you don't want people to find you on the internet, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think it's finally wode jivelli on Instagram and my soundcloud where I post music I make is wode jivelli with a zero for the O because the rapper scare a manga got my original soundcloud shut down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can find me at left for Damien on Instagram and turn it upon because on all the other social medias.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if once again, if you're listening to this in the podcast form, there is the video in the archive as long along with all the other episodes over at youtube.com at turn it upon slash turn it upon, it's at the turn it upon channel.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's get some comments going.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need more comments like there's not a nice comments just a lot of people corrected me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I forgot to say yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone pointed out that fifty one fifty is from Las Vegas.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I said they were from San Diego, but I was thinking of fifty fifty one from San Diego.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't I don't mean in the chat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean like YouTube comments Instagram comments Spotify there's a oh That's where the person told me told me told us that because of trash Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're never gonna listen again fuck that person have a slug for life
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying I look at hard lore and there's like sixty comments like, oh my god, cones, pectorals are so dope.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to start pumping iron.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying you've got to wait.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just got waits recently.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm calling.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I look, I'm never going to come for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's, he's, you know, he's there as a part.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I guess I have to work on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got like a, I got like a bench in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get, I'm going to get, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think our things should be, we should be like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, this is our thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Showing off our wares.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is our thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Regular like mainstream tapes are worth like a shit ton of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this food fighters tape is worth like five hundred dollars now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: How fucking sane is that that people are like, yeah, it's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just for like random mainstream stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember I had that on tape.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't remember the in black.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think the US was was a black tape.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a different color in the US.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got a couple like mainstream tapes a couple years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: See, dude, you're down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, put that back.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not the show and tell is over, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing for show and tell us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm never going to, I'm never going to brag about having a smashing pumpkin steak.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to brag about having an accurate demo.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think the, I think the, I think the accurate demo is definitely not going to win me as many friends as that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Ashley Pumpkins would.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's we get more comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about smashing pumpkins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you want to hear us talk about accurate or the smashing pumpkins because the guarantee will be talking about them again, we seem to talk about them every fucking week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we'll be back here two weeks.