[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to another episode of the Street Apple Podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And today we are in Sydney, Australia again.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had to stop by CRD or a Croydon, the legends in the game who have the fastest, they have a ton of records, but they have the fastest RB in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of people have been looking up to these guys in the States.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we had to stop by and pay them a visit and have them on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So today we have Khan and Rob.
[SPEAKER_01]: These two have been doing this for how long, how many years now?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got into the import scene back in nineteen ninety-five thirty years thirty years of history thirty years of R&D you guys have tried and done so many things spent a lot of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure right just to get the RB platform so what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully you guys can push it to the point where there's a lot more RVs in the States and you can beat the two Jay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So before we start, let's give Ron a plus for Khan and Rob.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you guys for taking the time to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know I've been rushed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like running around all day because I had another podcast before setting up and so on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you guys have been super patient.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am from the States, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really know too much of the history of CRD.
[SPEAKER_01]: How you guys have met each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: How you guys came together.
[SPEAKER_01]: So can you kind of paint the picture for everybody who doesn't know who you guys are?
[SPEAKER_05]: So I started off with CRD back in two thousand and one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: As an apprentice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: And work through under Jim and Theo, the original owners.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, through day I need to now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So work with them up into say, two thousand seventeen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then actually mean I'm our purchase to business.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Rob is just like part of the furniture here.
[SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't go anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just behind the scenes, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just behind the scenes, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Omar.
[SPEAKER_01]: How it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Omar is actually business partner.
[SPEAKER_05]: Rob's he obviously is a good friend and helps.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got a lot of business experience as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I hope you'll help us set with with stuff as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then Rob's obviously I'm a Rob back actually the first car I worked on was actually he's car.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's two hundred and six.
[SPEAKER_05]: Two hundred and six.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was my first import star car that
[SPEAKER_03]: I had back then and I was sort of introduced to the game through Jim.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, yeah, I just wanted that card to be fast and you know at that point I think we got it down to an eight point seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: Was it here early nineties?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: That's impressive.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I made nineties, uh, nineteen.
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[SPEAKER_05]: back in two thousand, I think I was two thousand three ran that time.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fast.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a tension.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stocks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nothing special.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always ask this question to everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when you have a passion or you have something that you want to chase after you're looking at somebody or another shop or another platform or something to kind of get inspiration.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what was the inspiration to keep that platform moving at the time?
[SPEAKER_05]: At that point, there was no one else faster.
[SPEAKER_05]: There was a faster system.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was, yeah, it was at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Japs are running, I think, eight point nine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the car, I think, that HKS had?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, he just joined, he just joined.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, actually maybe joined.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, whatever was there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was really it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once we went past that, there was no one to chase.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so you don't feel like there was any more you could have done with that platform.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that was really great, and I still have a special spot in my heart for it, but I think nothing big Julia's, the whole football drive, you know, the... Julia is a platform and how they drive and what they represent, you know, you really can't beat it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's far as I'm concerned.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like it's super popular and it's really, it's a hat on RB, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are so far ahead of the states with this, but at the time, right, with the RB'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, our big matter back then was a two point seven's up until probably I'm gonna say twenty fourteen twenty thirteen when we started going bigger in June we'll be on the two point sevens.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we had JDR seven hundred which I'm sure if you're familiar with back then as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: So back in two thousand four that when I ate two at one sixty four I think it was from memory.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm thirty three JDR.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I meant the same time that I was raising the devilish.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's sort of kick started the whole JDR scene for us.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: At that time that was I think the second fastest JDR in the world for memory.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the H case one, correct.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the H case one was a fastest one.
[SPEAKER_05]: And back even the H case when that had a hard to two point eight motor back then as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys never explored with the RB thirty yet or not at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that'd be thirty was something that was developed mainly when we went to the bill of block.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we were running the RD, which was the stronger cast iron block, already, twenty eight, which came out of the diesel engines.
[SPEAKER_03]: With that there, we did put the three point two stroker in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: But again, it came out of cost where the deck would move and push water and all the rest of it when you got over two thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_01]: How far were you guys able to push the two point eights?
[SPEAKER_05]: The quickest we were in with the two point seven two point eight.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think was about one is about the one sixty seven model in the arm arcs.
[SPEAKER_05]: So back then we didn't have hard donners and all that sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, you couldn't really run them on the our shazzy donners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: To try to get a pair of figures per side, but yeah, it was around that just on that one, seven model in the arm arc of faster win back then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what ECU were you guys using?
[SPEAKER_01]: What was the tuning like back then?
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Am I under the same day one?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow, so Jim the original owner was actually he was one of the first people who he to play with the motics and Back with the old screwdriver was the old lock really old school early those Yeah, and then that obviously developed before the before the M. Oh, there was the M for so we had an M for in devilish and JD R seven hundred and then devilish got updated to the M. A hundred and then we ran the M a hundred for wall as well and then obviously the M ones come out so now we're switched over to the M ones
[SPEAKER_01]: So Motech is an Australian company correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, so were you guys you guys because if you guys are doing records and stuff back then?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure you guys had so we're gonna have a close relationship Yeah, we still do yeah, we work very closely with him still So we might take dealers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we might take dealers have been full I think nearly thirty years now, so right so that I'm sure they were expecting I don't know if they have expectations, but it's kind of hard for people even get like sponsors or work with them
[SPEAKER_05]: There was no sponsorship or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's purely, we use it because it was the best product we felt on the market.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it gave us the best results consistency and that sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever explored anything else?
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we do, we do with how it takes as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: How it takes, how it takes, how it takes will probably be the three most popular ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and there's links as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's really probably, you know, how it takes for us.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also another Australian brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of them are Australian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything in Lincoln too?
[SPEAKER_05]: Links New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_05]: Links from New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_05]: New Zealand.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so we do a little bit with them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, like I said, usually we stick to the Australian stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're pretty happy with it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't think for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I was thinking to take a note of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the newer stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's different.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you guys kind of know each other?
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you guys know each other?
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you guys know?
[SPEAKER_05]: We met through the shop to the shop.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he was a custom of back then as well on the gym.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we met through the shop and
[SPEAKER_05]: We used to call him the flying kebab back in the day because he used to have his kebab shops.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it was good.
[SPEAKER_05]: We met back then and I said the first car worked on was he's two hundred and six and I remember seeing was virtually brain you had all the leather interior in it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everything and my first job was to strip that down to turn it to a race car and I'm looking to go, it's wrong with you, but I just kind of brain you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, there's a lot of loose screws up there and nothing's changed.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I free horsepower's weight,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't even ask I don't know if I can ask what was like growing the business, but how was it like having customers come in through those records or the things you were doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, look, from my perspective, I've seen the shop grow with, I don't know, maybe fifty, sixty employees.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the inspiration, I think, and the dedication to Conhead.
[SPEAKER_03]: From a young age, loving what he does, being involved, and then you could see the aspiration of wanting to be more than just an employee.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he says, stepping stones, whatever he got talking to Jim, obviously down the track.
[SPEAKER_03]: He said, one day, when a boy, the business off you and Jim said, potentially I'll sell it, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is where we ended up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, there's a lot of things that happen in between right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's a sort of the short of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: what do you see this company being in the next five years like what is what is it look we'd like to get into obviously doing our own stuff as well you know parts is in that my internal engine parts more the bolt on stuff and all that sort of thing so making our own kids and that sort of stuff it is hard to sort of
[SPEAKER_05]: focus on doing that when we got such a busy race schedule though and trying to satisfy what our customers are after as well so it is hard to get to sort of work to that but that's what we sort of trying to get to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So being in Australia there's different shops that do different things it's obviously that's how it does anywhere else right and it seems like you guys are more known for like drag racing stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's other shops that are doing like more street stuff, but you guys do a combination of everything, or you guys mainly focus on customers who want to drive their car on the track.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pretty much will focus on what our customers are of us.
[SPEAKER_05]: If someone wants to drift, we're happy to do them and set up to drift.
[SPEAKER_05]: If they want to drag, when we go down that path as well, same with the circuit, we've got Drew Hall who's been a customer of ours for, I think it almost as long as you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, since probably the part in two thousand five each two thousand seven thereabouts.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he's been a long time customer and that's that wild time attack thirty four now.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we support him.
[SPEAKER_05]: We do the work on that and sort of
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so the cord and actually has a strong circuit background as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll say originally started with circuit that's where Jim started to sort of he saw it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what was the what was the push for drag racing just because you you were dressing her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I suppose my background is just street cars and street racing.
[SPEAKER_03]: OK.
[SPEAKER_03]: And at the end of the day, you get to a point where street racing is fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you also want to see the numbers on the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's the link.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just sort of grew from there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you manage breaking records and going into the track, doing all these events and stuff like that and also dealing with customers because you have a lot of customers that also go with you to the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is like managing that in terms of time and schedules,
[SPEAKER_05]: It's very hard.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, you want to give everyone a hundred percent, but like for example, it's at the office of what we had thirteen cars racing.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's impossible to give everyone a hundred percent when you got thirteen cars racing.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you do your best.
[SPEAKER_05]: You try to get the right people in place to help, but there's only so much you can do in the time we've got there as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what does it look like if a customer wanted to come to CRD and build a car?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say if I move to Australia, and I mean, I probably wouldn't buy a GTR.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little too expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say if I had one, I wanted to have my car built by you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does it process?
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll look at depends on my first question to the customers.
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you want from the car?
[SPEAKER_05]: Because the biggest issue I find these days, a lot of people spend money on this is early because they don't know what they're after with the car.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they think they want to go down, say, eight direction.
[SPEAKER_05]: By the time they get to the end, they've changed everything, another two, three times because they end up wanting to go a different direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, my first thing is, what do you want from the car?
[SPEAKER_05]: Because unless you tell me what you want, I can't point you in the right direction.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, it's all good and well for us to go.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a package, just what we're doing and that's it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But down the track, if you've got aspirations to do something bigger or better, they're not prefer to do the building away where they're not double spending and wasting money.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I sort of try to look after their best interests as well to make sure that, you know, they get the right bits on the cart.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's too nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just look at them going forward.
[SPEAKER_03]: If they ask me, I'll just say, you know what, you get the biggest?
[SPEAKER_03]: You do it once and you be the fastest.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's just how you look.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want that too, but then budget's also.
[SPEAKER_03]: He keeps him away from some of the customers because
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's about everyone's apparently.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there's a lot of things happening on the Christmas party put it that way.
[SPEAKER_05]: As soon as he gets a hold of some customers, some builds go from two point eights to JJ's to under Essex.
[SPEAKER_05]: That will happen at a Christmas party.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh really.
[SPEAKER_05]: He actually had a two point eight machine that the shop ready to actually use a two point.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think two point six or two point eight machine that the shop ready to build.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then by the time the Chris was party finished, you were upgraded to a three later and then by the time the build started ended up with a bill of block and then that escalated pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but he never looked back off for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It didn't till his turn back.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't tell his turn.
[SPEAKER_05]: I come out to compress me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you guys have a lot of different aspects of the business.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You have time attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have drag racing street cars and so on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you have to kind of be able to cater to all customers, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So what different stations do you guys have here?
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys build everything at house, like fab or do you guys always?
[SPEAKER_05]: So machine work for our engines.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've got a couple people that we work with for that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then we got all the fabric that gets done in house.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay Steve looks after all the fabric.
[SPEAKER_05]: Engine building got Daniel Lurkey primarily primarily built in all the agencies days.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then obviously through the rest of the shop we got all the technicians some guys focus on build some guys focus on the smaller daily stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: In house wiring, yeah, in house wiring, Brendan looks after the wiring.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm in help set with the wiring side, the diagnosis.
[SPEAKER_05]: So everyone's got their strengths.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we sort of, unless we get to the point where we can't take up and it happens often, then we outsource a harness here or something there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just depends on how quick we need to get cars out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So your customer cars and then you're like these cars, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the big stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, these, I mean, these are, they're very close friends.
[SPEAKER_03]: Customers as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all, yeah, it's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, because time wise, like if you have wiring takes some time, wiring does take some time.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's the biggest thing that we've got to be honest because it needs
[SPEAKER_03]: be so accurate.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have a backlog of worry because it's just every car gets a loom and then one car spores and gets a full body loom.
[SPEAKER_05]: So then the mo take PDMs of doing the whole car and it's just time which it's hard and you need the right people doing it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Brendan's really good is really methodical with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when it comes to like fast stuff, you guys have all that sorted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how long does it take to fab a car because a lot of the cars it.
[SPEAKER_01]: that you have here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, it depends on what they're having.
[SPEAKER_05]: So like you've got like the car behind me, that's got a little titanium, you know, intake pipes, cooler pipes, all that sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that can take a fair bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: The JHA, HJA, R-T-T-E-Foy, so that everything's titanium on that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Cooler pipe and exhaust intake pipes, but whole lot.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the intake pipe took Steve, I think, close to a day and a half to weld it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm lucky if you have a look at the intake pipe.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's got an SME parked in all that sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: So nice though.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so Steve's really good with the toy stuff and all his fan books.
[SPEAKER_01]: Going back to what I said before, if I were to come here and book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What would the turnaround time be for a book?
[SPEAKER_01]: That all depends on what it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: That all depends on what I've got at the time.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'll be honest I've sort of tried holding off getting extra builds in at the moment because there is sort of a bit of a backlog which I'm going to say we're just about through.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really if you've got everything that depends on the top of build you want, you're going to be looking anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it with the organizer.
[SPEAKER_03]: If the car needs chassis work and bar work and then the car has to get stripped, go out, get some power work done, depending on what sort of rear end, front end, how are you going to, you know, what sort of modifications?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then it comes back, then obviously you dummy fit everything, you do all the fabrication work and then you obviously measure all the wiring.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then it goes back out.
[SPEAKER_03]: for rebuilt like, then you build the engine, gearboxes, whatever you put everything in, then you do fine with assembly, powder coating, make everything look pretty, there's a kind of painting, you know, doesn't need other body parts, I mean, look, if you look around, there's the sort of the quality and level of car that our customers aspire to, you know, especially, you know, like some good friends of ours, like George and that, like, it's not a car that you're going to throw in the back shed, you know, they show cars, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That still go very, very fast.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a car like that will take a lot longer to build then then then a car that we used to build back in the two thousand right if you want to call it that because from memory I think they've a level of detail wasn't what it is today.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think JJ's car was around four hundred and fifty five hundred else to build it so
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's a lot of work in it like from fab work and it's not it is a lot in it and if you look on the Nathan car It's every nut and bolt like it's a fair bit of work on into it.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of attention to detail So and that's the thing it that all depends on what type of level of build you're after
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, the majority of our customers want their cars to look just as good as they get fast, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's the biggest thing I keep saying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way you guys do cars here is it's different, like it's show car but also race car and you can do both.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's super cool that you guys do that and that's how I build that's I can't say build my cars, but that's how I'm building my car now Yeah, and I would continue to because you want to feel comfortable going to a car show or anywhere in popular hood you don't want to like I'm not going to pop it today because you want to be proud of what you build yeah, and they're changing you know you get it
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are known for RBs, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a people in the States who who build them.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's actually a, I think the record over there right now is like, fourteen hundred or something like that, but it was an Australian motor that was shipped out from Australia.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it'd be cool to get insight from you guys on the RB platform and
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of let us know the limitations, things you guys have experienced, or what you think is more practical.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to build an RB- twenty six, does it make sense to build one now with the amount of money and time and availability?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's going to say no.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, chance.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because he screws the loose.
[SPEAKER_05]: No chance.
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, it doesn't make sense to build a twenty-six in the pencil year after.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you're after... You know what that's six or five hundred horsemen.
[SPEAKER_05]: But some people still want... If they're after eight hundred horsemen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some people still want eight hundred horsemen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's because you don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because when you ask the customer a question, what do you want from the car?
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want to sell on two thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, not because you want two thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want two thousand horsepower?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they want two thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, they want two thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they want two thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, they want two thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they want two thousand horsepower.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they want two
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to lie the only reason I'm going to end up there is because I came to Australia.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have never known.
[SPEAKER_03]: So imagine you live here and see those cars every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably sell it or put it in something else and start over, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: In that sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I built an A-City for Streeca.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's stock location, twin turbos.
[SPEAKER_03]: And for me, unless it's a thousand horsepower, I wouldn't, I wouldn't build it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but that's your favorite car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it's very different.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is a thousand horsepower stock location twin like twin setup.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we need to make a thousand.
[SPEAKER_05]: We made about nine hundred and twenty other goals.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not, it's not going to get like driven off and enough until we end up making a thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just how it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has to, they have to perform.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is, it is probably here's the out one of the best street builds we've done.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's twin turbos, low mountains.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's got all the nasemal points.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a low mountain location.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stock location.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's got all the HKR, no HKR.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's got all the nasemal into cooler piping, carbon fiber.
[SPEAKER_03]: Full carbon fiber.
[SPEAKER_03]: Airbox, everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it made, from memory, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not, not,
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a pretty cool car, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Things crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that makes under a thousand.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you don't need to go build it and this and that for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's a two point eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say it's a two point eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a two point eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a two point eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a two point eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a two point eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a two point eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a two point eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a two point eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a
[SPEAKER_01]: Nowadays, all are drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but even that it's boring, but it's cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll get what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's how we look at it.
[SPEAKER_03]: For someone who comes to a performance shop and they want to build a car that, you know, they get it, be able to roll race, take to the track, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And just get a bit, have a bit of fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to build something that's capable of two thousand horsepower, but turn it down to fifteen hundred.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you can say a thousand, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Turn it down to fifteen hundred.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then you know that's a reliable package.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you do the right thing, if you do it, you don't want to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, look, George was ill at the blue thirty four.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the least worked on car in the shop.
[SPEAKER_03]: That debuted probably six months ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, it's maybe nine months ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, it was nearly a year ago now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just under a year ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: It debuted.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, whatever it was, ten months ago, eleven months ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: It went out and ran a six, the very first.
[SPEAKER_05]: First class of six, nine zero.
[SPEAKER_03]: We put it in the corner.
[SPEAKER_03]: When at one other time, just two, but there was other cars, so we didn't refocus on it, and Judy are first of all.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the third outing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it just does laps, six second laps.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was built to run six nines.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the purpose of the build was obviously to get into the sixes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's engineered to run six fives.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's actually the same set-up as you do.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it runs six nines comfortably all day every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're live.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a thirty-four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the fastest thirty-four?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the one that took it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the first thirty-four.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the first thirty-four into the sixes and right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first thirty-four.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the only thirty-four in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's not, it's a manual.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a turbo forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, no, twenty-six.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't think it was twenty-six.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, not for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're still good.
[SPEAKER_05]: They've got their place.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone look, everyone wants something different.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still like the heritage of the RV.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And without that, we wouldn't have got to do, you know, like, to where right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: I still like the big two point seven, two point eight motors, that rev, and that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: That issue thing that you saw, that jet issue thing I think it was, which if you've used the one yesterday?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that makes about a thousand.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a pretty cool thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that revs about ten and a half thousand.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the big set-up, yeah, you'll spin them to about eleven and they've just got a different eye tool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still a stroke or they're like, yeah, correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm talking about like a big point six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two points six.
[SPEAKER_05]: Two points six.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, I'll be honest, not many people do just two, six as it does.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the state said, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, not many people would just end up very few.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they haven't been exposed.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're no better.
[SPEAKER_03]: They haven't been exposed to what like what we do here.
[SPEAKER_03]: You still get one in three seconds.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's, you know, we'll just use a stock crank rods and pistons.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's sort of the thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: the bulk of the people, even if they keep with the twenty six platform, they'll still strike it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So a lot of people just got straight to strike you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look, the bottom line is when I argue, I argue for them, because no, I get laid and they're trying to, they're going to be going to do the change anyway.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I've seen it once or twice.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've seen it fifty times.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I think?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's another one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Start today and it ends up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It ends up three times.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, so let's say you have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're watching this right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because they're looking up to the other lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a twenty six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where would you say you can push that to?
[SPEAKER_05]: two point sixes look as a two point six with a stop crank we're probably had a matter and that eight hundred nine hundred horsepower and that was that like you're and it's not that we had issues but and stop running it yeah most people just go to stroke if they chasing more than that at all it is so but you still have the issue with the cast no isn't the cast an issue when you're not in the world
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's what a power you want to make sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it's more the components, I think, like the quality of the rods.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all stuff because it's all stock components.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you won't have issues that any hundred horsepower on an RB- twenty six cast block?
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, that should be fine.
[SPEAKER_05]: There shouldn't be any reason why you can't run on with that.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have the circuit cars running around.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, I was at two point.
[SPEAKER_05]: What's the difference between
[SPEAKER_05]: two point eight in a cast block and a two point six in a cast block your crank so where your limitation is going to be there is the RPM that you spin the motor to you know you go to a you go to a two point seven or two point eight you're going to have a full-counted way to crank shaft so you will grab the thing a lot harder
[SPEAKER_05]: But in saying that, I said two point sixes, I haven't, you should have a crank fell around that eight hundred watts per hour.
[SPEAKER_03]: But all the time when it comes to the, like, comes to engines.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you go a little bit bigger in the turbo to achieve eight hundred watts per hour easily without huge back pressures, you know, and all the things that damage engines.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then, you know, you're doing comfortably.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be laggy, but it'll do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll make the motor more efficient.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you've got a turbo on the edge and you need to squeeze every little horsepower out of it to get to eight hundred horsepower, then it's going to put more stress on the engine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then it might not last as long.
[SPEAKER_03]: These little things all make a difference to the longevity.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I've put it in the pants.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is the most important.
[SPEAKER_05]: It depends on the ball size you run as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously with that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: So obviously you go to being the boy you can split a ball as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you really want to try to keep your ball size down to a minimum.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, if you can run a mighty six, eight, six and a half and to keep your ball.
[SPEAKER_05]: Keep your ball thickness.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so then where's the limit?
[SPEAKER_01]: The crankshaft.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm saying like what's the most you've done on the twenty-six?
[SPEAKER_05]: For us, like I said, probably around that eight hundred horsepower mark because anyone that chases more than that, always ends up going to a two point seven or two point eight.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like we don't have three point two.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we don't have someone coming to go.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to make fifty hundred horsepower two point six.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no one doesn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: Why would you?
[SPEAKER_03]: You might get one of the rooms at a thousand.
[SPEAKER_03]: But one good reason, what's one good reason why you would chase power out of a two point six when in the same platform, you can go three point two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, even if you keep it in the two points two point two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think the machining costs a little bit more to do what I'll be thirty.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, on that side.
[SPEAKER_05]: So if you even, if you want to keep it at a two point eight, it looks like if someone's chasing a thousand, plus, then they're going to go to a two point eight, or a two point seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this issue with the block is another thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What issue?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like cracking sleeves, all these things.
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, if you can't crack sleeve sleeves.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, if it's excessive cylinder pressures, yeah, you can't crack sleeves.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So he actually split a board and he's seeing another two point seven.
[SPEAKER_05]: And now it was actually an accident while he was driving.
[SPEAKER_05]: So back to him, he had an exhaust valve.
[SPEAKER_05]: in his exhaust system, and he took someone for a drive, and this thing was making about a thousand horsepower back then.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then someone actually closed the glove box and pushed his gun, pushed the switch down, okay, and closed the valve wall, it was on the full throttle exhaust valve.
[SPEAKER_05]: So precious will have gone through the roof, and it actually split a bore, come back and heard it's off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's like an incident.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, correct.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can still split balls.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I've had a split in other instances as well, obviously.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I said, most people just got straight to a different crank shaft and rotating.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Nitto came out with the Y journal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the way that the person who's building my motor tunes RBZ, he kind of doesn't bring boost into zoom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is that a thing that you should kind of implement?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's one thing we definitely do.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just because of torque.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the load on the bearing when it comes to revving these motors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that something that's like preference for customer like something that depends on the combination.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So a lot of luck.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can have two identical motors and one could have for example a sixty I seven year or not and the other one will have a sixty I say a seventy sixty five.
[SPEAKER_05]: the two identical motors, the seventy-six eighty-five matter will rev harder because you don't have the back pressure in the router as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: So a lot of that's dependent on then the turbo charger on the car and that's sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the more the pressure that you've got the less is going to want to rev as well and make power.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can rev it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything makes a difference.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like a back pressure is pretty.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a big thing, yeah, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a big thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Technically, you probably run a bigger cam.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, we definitely run the big cams.
[SPEAKER_05]: And like I said, what you spin the motor to is really just depending on the cams of combo, the turbo combo or that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is like a good cam if you want it to?
[SPEAKER_05]: We've got our own grinds, obviously, that we work with some of the kill for stuff as good as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, we've got some stuff that we try to keep close to our choice, obviously.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't reveal all our secrets.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you can't tell me what kind of two-seventy two or something like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look at the pens on what you're tracing as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, what turban is on the car and that's sort of thing as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just throw cams on the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there's obviously more things that come into it as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now if you've got to be around that three hundred.
[SPEAKER_03]: In duration and all that, you know, it lived.
[SPEAKER_03]: These are three hundred.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You still got three thousand and he said.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but you will get up there on the big on the big murders, but yeah, our big murders locked the murders that are in, you know, the cars at race.
[SPEAKER_05]: This will not, you know, they'll spin to eleven eleven five sometimes depending on what something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like all right, you know, we get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, where do you think for a street car like RPN work?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because usually, eighty five hundred's pretty fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anything over that, people will say that it doesn't really live.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the problem is, even our street cars, back in the two thousand's, we're living over ten thousand up here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, ten four.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's why you're asking the one people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just, look, what can I say?
[SPEAKER_05]: The street car just, I'm gonna put it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: The RPM's not really going to stop you using the counter-street.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, how do we say it?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, like if you want a short shift to the eight thousand and thing reps to ten and a half, then you do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: But if you're still making power over ten, why wouldn't you use it?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're not ever living it unless the components and the rotating assembly can't handle it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a different story.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're running a usually like a bigger turbo, you would need the RPM technically.
[SPEAKER_03]: to get the best out of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, if you've got an old school TADI that doesn't come on to six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out of six thousand out
[SPEAKER_05]: If you got the right set up, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, so we'll spin it.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll spin our big models, I've said, two, two, eleven and they will make peak power already, eleven.
[SPEAKER_03]: Depending on the combo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, depending on the combo.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, between ten and a half or eleven, you're still making power with the big, with our big hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: You told me that most of the stuff you guys do are three two.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not three four or three six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So with the RB thirty now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are doing billet, right, which is another thing that's not too common in the states.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what was the reason for going with billet?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do you guys mostly run billets out of strength?
[SPEAKER_03]: Strength?
[SPEAKER_01]: Strength in the call?
[SPEAKER_03]: Safety?
[SPEAKER_03]: Strength, reliability.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're the three main factors.
[SPEAKER_03]: Strength, meaning obviously the block itself is not going to split.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or it can't split.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it will take a lot more before it happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if it does, then there's a problem with the setup and tune.
[SPEAKER_03]: Reliability, obviously the billet can withstand a lot more punishment.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just stronger than the cost material.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're able to get a lot more power out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: where you guys ever had a point where you were just like, because you're doing billet now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but there was a point where you guys were running cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was the breaking point where you guys were like, all right, we're done with art.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, we're done with the cast.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, we're on cost.
[SPEAKER_05]: The biggest we push a cost would have been on June.
[SPEAKER_05]: We went seven, two, one, ninety, one from memory.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was there abouts on the cost block and else still with a wet deck.
[SPEAKER_05]: The last, that was a last draw for us because
[SPEAKER_05]: It was actually on that pass.
[SPEAKER_05]: It actually lifted the head, spat water under the tire, and the car went sideways across the line.
[SPEAKER_05]: So after that we've gone up.
[SPEAKER_05]: We need to switch to a dry deck.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not safe.
[SPEAKER_05]: How long was that?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of that now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'll be in there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we're close to ten years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: How long?
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, maybe about seven or eight years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll be in the hole.
[SPEAKER_05]: How long?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was a best seven years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the whole time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was a best seven years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that was for us the formal straw gun.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, it's not safe.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, if we're sending the Anna nearly two hundred more on the aisle, we're going to make sure that we're comfortable sending him down in something that's going to be reliable and safe room as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, possibly eight nones.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the limits?
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you make on that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll leave the head at that point.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that point is the most part out of cost.
[SPEAKER_03]: No problems.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it comes at a cost.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, is that some, is that half filling it?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so we would half fill them.
[SPEAKER_05]: So all our cast motors we never once completely filled it around as a dry block.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So all our cast motors were only half filled water still going through the deck.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really, if you want to push a cast further, then you will completely fill it around a completely dry and you'll make over two thousand no problems.
[SPEAKER_05]: But again, I would never laugh at what cost at what point did you just go?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not even worth doing it.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: So for us, we would start sleeping our motors and all that sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And by the time you spend all that extra money doing that, you don't end up much different to just go, you know what, let's just go buy billet and the things are dry deck.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's ready to go and it's lighter.
[SPEAKER_03]: True, but the bill is not that expensive if you really add up the numbers You know, okay, so it's like what is it for a thousand for a bill of buck?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just I think for the day straight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think thirty nine there about Australia and then you have rotating assembly of course Yeah, that can vary depending on where you want to be in horse pair range now If you're running a billet, do you need to run a brace?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, it's ready to bolt a Ford off some straight on to it
[SPEAKER_01]: That would actually be nice, actually.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you get rid of a heap of things.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then all of a sudden, you end up, like I said, not much of a point, a price difference cost, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: To do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also, let's mucking around in the build.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that space actually is correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes up more space with the brakes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: He sold just so he doesn't have to put a girl on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now, at these high horsepower numbers also, you guys are running dry sums.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's another argument I have with everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every bill to me should have a dry sum.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every bill.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not, well, okay, eight hundred horsepower.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, there's no horsepower.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can probably get away with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But as soon as you see north of eleven, twelve hundred, why waste time and not go dry sum?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an insurance policy.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just an insurance policy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, does, does, does it, does it with some put?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But everything comes at a cost.
[SPEAKER_05]: where it's up, where everything is just an external pump.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've had the external pumps up.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's still not as good for it in a hundred.
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, it's not as good as a dry sound.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you're spending the money once, rather than twice or three times, and waiting for failure to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just, that's my experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I tell everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I look at it from a customer's point of view, you know, spending the money, you know, you learn the hard way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have learned the hard way.
[SPEAKER_03]: So many times.
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, this is what, once right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to dry some if you want to make big power.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but even if you don't what I'm trying to say is even if you're not making big power.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's stopping you from dry something at and just having that piece of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, a hundred percent piece of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's peace of mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that ten thousand dollars, you can get some tires, you can get some wheels, you can get some.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're supposed to spend money on the whitsum system, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you've got to take that out and like, yeah, it's, yeah, per piece of money, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what about the heads?
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are running this cast or billet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've developed.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got both.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've got both at the moment.
[SPEAKER_05]: Our bigger cars, a lot of them were cast up until recently, so you've probably seen the billaheads have been released.
[SPEAKER_05]: There have been, we've been testing them, gone up five, seventy, five, eight in Zeus, a couple of times of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: The reliability that we've got out of them so far has been unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we went to line about what was a twenty, twenty times.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, twenty times and I've put it in the head office.
[SPEAKER_03]: Without checking their heads.
[SPEAKER_05]: Unfortunately, George has lost two or three heads at the sixty foot mark.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, come on up to the two-step castards.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's a new head, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I bring new calls, complete builds, and they're just not lasting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, my friend George's F ski, we basically put some money up, developed the head package that we have, okay, in the billet platform.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, we're working together with Con, you know, and the developers that
[SPEAKER_03]: I suppose put it together for us, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got our own in-house package and you know maybe down the truck and it will look at releasing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now a billet head though is is that's something that you would only need like a really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's an extra.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the castle would work just fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I cast work.
[SPEAKER_05]: And again, it depends on to what level you're chasing for.
[SPEAKER_05]: The ninety percent of the people the cast has going to be fine.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, you know, what JDR, that doesn't matter on one of our CNC ported heads, you know, that went on the only six mile an hour, JJ's car, a hundred and ninety-nine mile an hour.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that head package in particular has gone to a hundred and twenty ten mile an hour, you know, the car, so it works as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: But then it's a reliability
[SPEAKER_05]: when you start pushing north of three thousand horsepower that you need to have a cylinder head that can cope with obviously the stresses that it goes for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you guys seen any benefits to, I guess, lower horsepower applications to running oversized valves?
[SPEAKER_05]: Lower horsepower, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, fifteen hundred.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yes, one hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, if you have fifteen hundred, we put oversaw as well as for sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: So for us, if we've got someone chase a fifteen hundred, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll push him to do one of our race head combos straight away because again you make a pala you can make the pala at fifty pounds of boost but one or two or thirty pounds of boost right you know what I mean like this there's some good pala and if you make a more efficient and you don't have to lean on it as much
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, do you guys believe in running shims?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you guys do shimless?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, we do both.
[SPEAKER_05]: Both.
[SPEAKER_05]: War JDR, front shims.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ten eight, eleven thousand, no problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it gives you flexibility if you want to change cam shots on the go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just in the middle of the week.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, they're pretty good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: We do work if they if you're having issues with sheems as another issue going on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So whether it be a software or something along those lines.
[SPEAKER_05]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So generally like I said most cars will still run shims other than the big phrase cars like John for example now and and Are they doing your quiz or sorry?
[SPEAKER_05]: Are they?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they are they two-day buckets?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: The two days usually I'll be twenty six buckets.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're perking aren't you?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what about springs?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you guys, I know there's a couple different companies that people use.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard there's a little bit of controversy around that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what do you guys recommend?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to ask you what you guys use.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, I know packages consist of the super-take valve-train package, super-take springs, double springs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, double springs.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've got our own mods that we do.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've that set up to get them where we want them as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, so that's the set up with the springs.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fairly, obviously, one of the best in the market.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we use a more depending on the application.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now with the RB-Thirty there's three four and three six right now That's just by is that a choice or is that something that people?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a choice and again depends on the application that they want to use a full Okay, so if you've got Lockhart Milton the three six now for a customer He's got a three six in his Shreka that he wants to use for a race in
[SPEAKER_05]: which makes eight and nine in under horsepower, really responsive with the sauce turbo and everything that's got.
[SPEAKER_03]: So most three car has a pre-mode eighty eight, makes eight and a hundred horsepower.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, he's my apologies.
[SPEAKER_05]: Screws are loose.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, and now the street car we're done with a three six.
[SPEAKER_05]: This guy and he wants about a thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's not racing much.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's got a bill at three.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's talking.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he's got a bill at three six.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to put a smaller turbo on it and he just wants something really responsive and fun to drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: But why not go three two then?
[SPEAKER_05]: Because he wants the talk to make
[SPEAKER_05]: the power of the bigger turbo, you've got more displacement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I noticed you guys do a lot of three two stuff, so it seems pretty common, which I was actually surprised, because I thought these bigger cars, I thought they were on three, like three four.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're all three two.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it doesn't mean one day someone's not going to come out with a three point six that can rev as much as these.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously they'll make more power.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, but if they're limited to ten thousand RPM and this is an eleven thousand RPM engine, then obviously you'd stick to the three point two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: But drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag, drag drag, drag drag, drag drag, drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag drag
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wasillus the fastest thirty four in the world outright.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: First one to the sixes.
[SPEAKER_05]: John two was first to the sixes as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Our first straight jediata the sixes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's a quickest and fastest straight jedi outer world or quickest and fastest jedi outer world period.
[SPEAKER_05]: Then we've got George's Veal which is a quickest and fastest radial Veal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pete's thirty three, the quickest and fastest thirty three jedi are.
[SPEAKER_05]: What else is there?
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm missing stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: The one you're saying about.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Zeus is currently the quickest and fastest RB primordial in the world.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm paled car in the world period.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's more I'm missing about.
[SPEAKER_05]: Goat was the first thirty two into the seventh.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, goat was the first thirty two into the seventh as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yanis is the quickest thirty five in Australia.
[SPEAKER_05]: Quickest straight thirty five in Australia anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: What else is that?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's, I think it's all about my head.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's, forget over the years how many records come and go.
[SPEAKER_03]: At the moment, yeah, that's, that's where we're at with all these.
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, and now he could tell you what it's chasing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The GDR platform, you know, we want to own it, like we own it and want to keep owning it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're at, but I suppose from my perspective, you know, and everyone, you know, involved, we just want to be import outright number one.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's important.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, so we're not stopping until that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's not yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're after him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like everybody's after him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, why don't I raise the bar?
[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, it's up to us to get there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think you can do it?
[SPEAKER_05]: One hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a matter of time.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not, it's not if it's when.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're pretty confident.
[SPEAKER_05]: It will come together.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's very impressive.
[SPEAKER_03]: What they've achieved is unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if someone can run it, someone else can.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a matter of time and getting a shit together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, uh, it's a two J. Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That actually pretty much stamped it right there for the people in the States, like it's a two J. Of course, no other platform is going to know that import platform is going to do that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: RB, you would hope it would be like competing with it, but we don't really see it happen too often.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how close are you guys to potentially breaking that record?
[SPEAKER_05]: We've gone five sixty seven at two fifty six more than hell and We still probably have another three to four hundred horsepower throughout throughout the comment More okay more than that at four hundred five six hundred five six hundred yeah, but
[SPEAKER_03]: The problem is harnessing that five, six hundred, you know, early enough in the past to get the best out of it, because if you early increments aren't there, it's not going to translate, it's E-T.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's a hard part.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing is we're doing it in a different platform to what's traditionally important.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're all clutch cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look up plutches, like traditionally.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're running a converter package with a liberty.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's been a challenge.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have we've seen like we've been on top of it and we are to an extent on top of it, but it just is a lot harder to run than a traditional clutch.
[SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, it's a lot easier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once you get on top of it, you know, because it becomes more reliable and consistent.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no converter drive that's been designed to, I suppose, work with an import-style engine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very peak, horsepower peaky, rather than V-eight that makes it, makes all its torque, you know, early in the RPM range.
[SPEAKER_01]: What power are these with these cars making like in excess of three thousand three thousand in excess of three thousand how are you adding more power into there to get the times because you're battling traction also, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, look I said it's all about when you bring the power and you can bring it is a power.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, look, you can keep throwing an ultrasound
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the power is unlimited.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if it's not usable power, all you're doing is beating our parts.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you have to, you know, you have to get everything to gel together.
[SPEAKER_03]: It starts and it's a line, you know, you, I mean, we were chasing a shock issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like one of our shocks was blown for nearly nine months.
[SPEAKER_03]: We managed to get a few passes in in between and we're thinking, okay, we'll chase the hotel a bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all good and then the next time it's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and for that reason, like, you know, it's, it's difficult.
[SPEAKER_01]: When do you think you guys are going to be able to break that record?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a time like a certain time frame for you to start into line up?
[SPEAKER_03]: It can happen at any time that we go out.
[SPEAKER_03]: If everything works, the way we want it to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're ready to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we want to do it on the training soil.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one day, we want to go there and race the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are playing a lot of coming to the States to do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you guys wear GTR Fest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: My aspiration is to race at woke up one day.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I wanted to do it last year, but I just never had the luck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this year's not the year as well, you know, but one day we will.
[SPEAKER_03]: Any other records that you guys want to break aside from that one?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you break that record, what else is there to break for the input side?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the pinnacle of records for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what about for like your street car?
[SPEAKER_03]: At the moment, the Abbey is a quicker than supers down the track and straight car phone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there a super running six degrees?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: White rice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you guys got to do?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but what do you classify that car as?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's not a street car.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a pro street car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, in pro street.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, on grass is running fast times.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a fifth.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, I think he's got a fifth.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing these.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fast.
[SPEAKER_03]: That we've got a car for white rice as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why race?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What car is that?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's George's V.O.
[SPEAKER_03]: All the V.O.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the one I showed you yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're planning on this drawing.
[SPEAKER_03]: What questions do we record?
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, I was putting it out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it talks to me about respect to everyone, but we need to, you know, we need to get fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's an RB.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I did see the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does look crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is very, very, very well done.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's meticulous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything, everything on that car.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like, are you even driving it?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: So can you talk to me about that, that set up and how long it took to make it?
[SPEAKER_03]: George is throwing through a VL lover.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's his heritage and background.
[SPEAKER_03]: Before we got him to the GDR scene and for him, he's always wanted to build a VL that would elevate, I suppose, all race cars at the next level.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: He went on this journey about four or five years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it was about three.
[SPEAKER_03]: It started planning for it probably four or five years ago, and then it probably started three years ago in the build.
[SPEAKER_03]: And every bar, every, I suppose, everything on the car was thought about designed to achieve a car that is, I suppose, built to look like a veal
[SPEAKER_03]: Still still still body, you know, retain all the traits of, you know, what the tradition of the car is.
[SPEAKER_03]: However, have the chassis, all the components, the technology, you know, and the parts required to take the car to run easy fives.
[SPEAKER_05]: So here's street veal, which is still a full-shazzy car.
[SPEAKER_05]: That way it's up to a hundred pounds.
[SPEAKER_05]: Full-shazzy car, a thirty-two hundred pounds.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no twin rails in the car, factory floor pan.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and that car's gone six, forty-two at two, twenty-four.
[SPEAKER_05]: What was it?
[SPEAKER_05]: Two, twenty-two more now, some of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're on a quick, on a quick run, but we'll also try to have track.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that car will get faster.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once we go out with that again, the difference between your fast and the track.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is in it?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the consistency of the same RB platform?
[SPEAKER_05]: Same engine combo, smaller turbo and then what's on that vehicle, which is white.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the vehicle has a one e-leven oh eight now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, now it's got so we're done at the end of the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had a one ten away.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, and the new view has a one ten one forty and it's a three two billet like three two billets.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the engine the long engines are the same.
[SPEAKER_05]: Cold size the same.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you take manifold into cooler dry.
[SPEAKER_05]: I saw on the dry ice box all that sort of stuff and just the surface different.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's on, of course, a more tech course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that runs out.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, build packages in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, uh, what about transmission?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for a hundred hours race clouds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of the fabrication looks insane on there, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so the guys up at a press Fabman six boost done the Shazzi six boosts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so six boosts and do the manifolds.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I call up the I think he ever throw a lot of the build.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I wanted to design.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: him and George came up and then the car come back here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're here with the boys.
[SPEAKER_05]: They done the other fabrication and fit out in that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So now it's come back here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously we're going to do the wire and finish the rest of it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: So drive train and wiring here.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of where you're going to be able to see this car run.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very soon.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hoping in the next month or so to be next month.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you guys are going to do some test and tunes and yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a lot of testing getting the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then obviously it's going to hit the dino first, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what do you think it'll make on a dino?
[SPEAKER_03]: That combo has made over three thousand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we're not going to push it on, don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just get a tune in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just get a tune in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just do it all the trick.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're not going to push on a dino casually, what does it make?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some log up, make two and a half, five hundred each hit it up and let's go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is your winter season right now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is secondly the best time I would assume to go out and take the cars and so that's why you guys are on crunch time with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how much more time was the window like before the weather?
[SPEAKER_05]: Probably just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, July, August, this starts turning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how car is work?
[SPEAKER_01]: Three months now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We need to make the best of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I hope you guys, um, are we going to try?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you'll hear about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope you guys do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That car is really, really well put together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you guys have, uh, June three, which is also also Georgia's car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Georgia's got a fleet of cars that that he has here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously the two vehicles, June three, wasilla and Yakuza.
[SPEAKER_03]: There is main.
[SPEAKER_03]: race cars, they're all RB platform, that is entrusted us in looking after two achieves his goals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before I move on to this one, I forgot to ask, what is it cost to build that?
[SPEAKER_03]: That vehicle?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were a million dollar cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Million dollar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: They did it be up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, hold on.
[SPEAKER_01]: You might get some change.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're a million dollar cars.
[SPEAKER_05]: Approximately, like, five hundred thousand though.
[SPEAKER_05]: U.S.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, U.S.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're in Australia.
[SPEAKER_01]: I keep forgetting what Australia is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's not a far off of promo build in a real shazzy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, five hundred thousand's rough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, U.S.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real there.
[SPEAKER_05]: U.S.
[SPEAKER_05]: You end up around that, five hundred K-Mark.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's, you're going to be that sort of money, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So something like this, though, with how it's done, could it be the same?
[SPEAKER_03]: This one makes a little bit of work because there's a dollar development work that went into this.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this was built by the hour, all these shares you work.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to be honest, it went down a direction, stopped, we changed, went a different direction, before we ended up with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it got built three times at the shares you shop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because it's all custom, everything on the car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it retains a lot of the JDR heritage, meaning, obviously, the forward drive, the attessa system by RS, front and rear, but it's all got special suspension components.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, externally it looks like a JDR, but there's a lot that's gone into it in the suspension, so it'll be particular.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where would you, where would this fit in in class?
[SPEAKER_03]: To me, it's supposed to be
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't see cars like this right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like you guys have a system or a pack, not a package, but like, uh, engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do get it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's a same engine package that's in the promo as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Zeus, um, you're cause a June three, Buffy's Veils, Warzilla, Pete's IH seeks, um, they all run the same engine package.
[SPEAKER_05]: So rock cover to something is identical.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the only thing that's changing is your hot side.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you're changing your hot side to the for the turbo suit your application.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's it position of the turbo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: The manifold and what about is really the only things that are changing.
[SPEAKER_05]: They all run the twenty four injector set up on twenty four injector right these yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, and what are you guys doing for fuel pumps on these things mechanical mechanical yeah, so all these have mechanical mechanical fuel pumps for obviously with those twenty four injectors Yeah, and that's only for the for that for this car like the Pro mod.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, all the big all the ones that we want sort of pushing the ones that run nitrous will have twenty four injectors
[SPEAKER_03]: Otherwise, it's not necessary, because we run, we run dry, not necessary.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's why we, we need the injectors because if you get to the point, we're in whatever, one, two stages of nitrous, you know, you need the fueling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what else is done to this car?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's two over four hundred and on the other side.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's got obviously the bead lock wheels, PRP, front diff, all that sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: The CPC cooler.
[SPEAKER_05]: The need are rotating assembly, full-motic package, dashes, ECU's, PDMs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's pretty much had everything
[SPEAKER_05]: You can have down down.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a three-way carbon carbon five-toy tucked in under the guard there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, still still body as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's got the carbon tunnels and everything on it as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: So carbon tubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I noticed you guys run the cable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Droughtles.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now for the race cars for the race car, hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So no, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about the reason?
[SPEAKER_05]: At that level, you want to back off a throttle, no, that throttle closes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, if I had, obviously, at that sort of level, once you start angel played in the car and all that sort of thing like that, he says, well, you get a lot of vibrations, not through the motor as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: through the car itself, not the motor, through the car, and then obviously those vibrations then transfer through to the electronics.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you're dry by wire motor, we find starts struggling with vibrations like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you don't have to close on you if you want a good run.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've had a couple other big cars with the driver wire and the cars have been on good passes and the throttle closed on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a tuning issue.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's only so much you can do in this.
[SPEAKER_05]: The servo itself just can't keep up.
[SPEAKER_05]: You see the the duty sockle of the motor ramp up it's like struggling to keep that blade open and it's just like not a candle anymore and it closes.
[SPEAKER_01]: do they make something like an alternatives?
[SPEAKER_01]: We've tried different drawbacks.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've got little things we do obviously to help with them.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's how much you can do as well, do you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: So if you're telling me I want two thousand class horsepower and I want to race a card then we'll get a cable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, anyone that's building a car to that level, to those sixes, no one's running driver.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially if you're telling them that, you know, you have to run that, then I'm sure they'll be okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I lock a high seven second car, give me sevens, I'll get you.
[SPEAKER_05]: No problems, you'll do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I won't get you asked to drive a wire.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, but again, we've had a couple of throttle bodies fail on that.
[SPEAKER_05]: We actually had one fail on a JDR festival.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had to get one up from C per se in Bulgong, so we had to Uber one up and get a throttle body on because we had that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we actually took off JJ's car because he's told us about this order to leave the chat.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that was different, ended up coming off cuts.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, come on, JJ, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't run from cuts and they're up in the car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, lost track.
[SPEAKER_03]: But on the front end, what we got to run?
[SPEAKER_05]: We got to run through these dry bar wires as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: So cuts had an issue on Friday night as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: The gearing side of actually broke.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I have a question that I, it's, I don't, I don't really care if it's embarrassing or not, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it doesn't look like you guys bump in.
[SPEAKER_03]: We can, but we don't want to put stress because we're not racing anyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just racing the clock.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't want to put stress on the gearbox from that reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't, I don't think any other cars, they were not rolling in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we can bump.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we can bump in, but again, here.
[SPEAKER_05]: is not so much okay when we're out we say June three now we're not racing head to head with anyone we're trying to pee be with a car and run a record so if you bump in then you're putting more stress on the transmission and all that sort of stuff so we go okay you know you can stage the car where you want to stage it and let's go through our process but if you'd certainly come up heads to head head with someone you can bump in no problems
[SPEAKER_01]: because I haven't seen a GTR festival, I haven't seen it.
[SPEAKER_05]: No one's bumping in because there was no head to head racing in the GDR festival.
[SPEAKER_05]: So over here, there's not that much, there's head to head, obviously.
[SPEAKER_05]: But what do we do?
[SPEAKER_03]: What do we do?
[SPEAKER_03]: We do chasing that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we do.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's normal.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when we're chasing the clock rather than
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not really a race event.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a festival.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're trying to run fast numbers in GDRs.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how Andrew has designed the whole festival.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't struck as I guess that happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can bump in the bump.
[SPEAKER_03]: The bump is not on everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even the thirty-five is in America's struggle to bump.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like some hold.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of different, you know, sequences.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think I do with a dumb with a paddle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a little weird to get it to launch and the delay is also the issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little strange.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you guys are in Australia the top shop for like the fastest cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys have its underwreckers, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guys have any close competitors here that you feel like, you know, kind of push you to keep going?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, obviously, biggest competitor will be my talk rising.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've pushed each other through the years to obviously push the whole big game to a whole new level.
[SPEAKER_05]: So with that competition, you're not going to push yourself
[SPEAKER_01]: How was it like in Australia when it comes to shops like in terms of like competition?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: I suppose when the biggest robbery we had with them is when we were running June two.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Kingford were racing to the sixes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then after we ran sixes we obviously kept going until we sort of achieved our goal, my goal, which was the quickest JDR in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there were great rivals all the way through to the end and onto the next one.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And look, rivalry is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're a great bunch of guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're mates with them and everything, but at the end of the day, when it's after track, it's business.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you guys had any, um, I know, and I don't know, but he doesn't seem to like to lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: He definitely doesn't like to lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: So have you guys had any any who likes to lose?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want no one likes to lose.
[SPEAKER_03]: But some people can hold their emotions and some people can't.
[SPEAKER_05]: look at me on a time with one with one or lost runs, or races and events to them by point zero zero one.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's happened both ways for a while.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Obviously if they go faster than us, then we're going to come out and try to go faster than them.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we'll do what we can to make that happen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes it works.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sometimes it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think at the moment more than ever, I think we're chasing the world platform.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that rival reason being done.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a fleet of world-class cars as you can see.
[SPEAKER_03]: These cars will do what they need to do, but we've got Yakuza, which is George's Primord and Zeus.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a couple others that are getting built in the background as well, some other Primord that are going to run the RB platform.
[SPEAKER_03]: And at the end of the day, we're chasing the outright import.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's the goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the goal.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the goal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really, that's the next phase of where we headed.
[SPEAKER_03]: We want to maintain our record.
[SPEAKER_03]: That we hold.
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously get the veal down to five, etc., and all the rest of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we've got that ambition as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that really cement all records.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So June two is still in the States right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the plan for June two?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we were, we were planned to go back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Play there and you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think we need to bring it back because some sort of permit has lapsed and we couldn't get renewed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're just waiting for Andrew to work out what we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if it has to come back, it has to come back.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's not going to be World Cup happening or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, possibly.
[SPEAKER_03]: At this stage, I can't say yes or no, just depends on what we have to do, about the next one or two.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, possibly when the new cars are going to finish and what we have that we can send there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, look, if not this year next year, but obviously, you know, we really want to be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to meet back at least.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't want to do a couple of years of, you know, like Julia, first of all, and Heltech will come.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, World Cup is definitely the best one.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to go for us if you've got a card doll then, that's where to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where Lenady ran their time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the conditions that they racing, you know, were just two thousand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, come on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, we don't get those.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't get those conditions here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the track ends off its head.
[SPEAKER_03]: The conditions are perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, so you probably get a make three, four hundred horsepower, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just because this is just because, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before I came here, people were saying that the tracks here aren't that great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all on, but like, you guys have a really nice track.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Sydney track was actually a really good track.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a really nice track.
[SPEAKER_03]: The facility is off its head.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's probably one of the best track racing facilities in the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: As far as a radial track is concerned, it's tricky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Prepping it, it's not easy at all, especially if it's not scraped, destroyed by street cars or slick cars or the rest of it, it's an art.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they've had people come and go and it's a lot about the glue and how it's applied.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we've seen days where the tracks are wonderful.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's good enough to run records on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Over the years it's been good enough for us and those days will come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is you guys go there to do it hasn't soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're all Thursday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I thought it was that Friday.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're out there again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have something going on every pretty much every day the week or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have the luxury of every probably two, three weeks as usually something two, three weeks possibly sometimes a month it just depends on.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do track run tools though, no, or you can rent it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, but again, those rentals for what we're trying to do, maybe two, every two, three weeks, they're available.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not not every week, every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you guys do these, because the only time I see these things happening is like, it's, it's private.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it private rentals?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it like the rentals are private?
[SPEAKER_05]: The rentals are private.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I was going to say because I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the drive way doesn't be okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: The dragway doesn't put on, for example, an event every month.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's dedicated to radios or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's pretty much a group of people that go, okay, you know what, let's book a track that's set off a radios one day radio prep, one night sleep prep, and let's go for twenty cars and everyone will get out.
[SPEAKER_05]: So unless there's an event, everything on end, the track will do a test in June.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: But then it's not ready to prep.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but it's not ready to prep, then you might have a hundred or fifty cars.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: So then you get less tracked on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, right, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you guys, when you guys are doing these tests and tunes, are you guys with other people who are the same level, or just begin to be anybody?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's pretty much open to most test of June.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a pretty much open to everyone's to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Open, but all these guys, I think either setting up their cars or trying to get fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's easier to the same group of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when June two was going down the track at GTR Fest, so it was super cool to watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I noticed that you guys would let off after if you didn't get a good sixty foot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is that is that just a?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: What took us a bit of time to get on top of it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Forget about the trek.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, this is our trek here.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we have to make changes to the setup.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, guys are doing back to back runs and it seemed like you got when it looked like you guys were going.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was like, oh, they're going to go and then you know, back there and actually, you know, what happened?
[SPEAKER_05]: We had a couple of misfire issues.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're out there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: And before the six, fifty, we done there.
[SPEAKER_05]: We actually realized their integral of split.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there was water going through the motor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that was causing the misfire.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the days before the car was also turning left and we
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh yeah, we had to adjust the, we had to do some adjustments to the forward drive and alignment and that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, we were battling one obviously set up with the car and then two, we had a leaking into the water.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were just spraying water into the water as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So water was going into the manifold.
[SPEAKER_05]: So our six, fifty that we done was actually with a herd engine as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so that motor was hurt and we're just going, you know, we're here.
[SPEAKER_05]: We ended up taking the water out of the cooler and just ran into that water and whatever happens happens.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll give it a go and we're here for works of works if it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody told me I can't remember who it was and they were saying that all they like if they succeed footers and good it's not worth hurting the motor.
[SPEAKER_05]: When we're here and we're setting up a car.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're going to go out with June three now.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're not interested in back door in the car.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no point unless we know how we're going to be.
[SPEAKER_05]: Especially when you've got a car set for example that when you do throw the horse power you might get a couple runs you might get ten you might get fifteen you might get two.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's, you know, you put the stress on it when you know you're ready to do something.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right, sorry.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what it's going to do in the back half.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a front half way the time's up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, which is why I assume that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then again, when you're when you're running, I guess you can only as a driver, you can only feel it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really know what your sixty foot is.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's done enough laps in the car to know when he's on on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: The sixty-four is a tell-tale, but if you feel the acceleration where it needs to be between the sixty-four and three-thirty, that's where the increments are.
[SPEAKER_03]: For me, the time between the sixty-four and the three-thirty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, okay, you can be, you can sometimes have a slower sixty foot.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's still be quicker to the three thirty.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not just the sixty foot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't chase sixty foot times.
[SPEAKER_03]: For me, I chase three thirty numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's just a good indicator to tell if you have more work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: You need to dial a current to sixty foot well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's not to be all in all.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's honestly the three thirty time.
[SPEAKER_03]: For me, that's just how I
[SPEAKER_05]: Like if we were we finished up at JDR Festival we're confident if we had one more day we would have peed beat and rewrote the record It was the car was the car was on point everything was there other than the intercooler we saw where to run without six five time the car was Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had a fresh motor there ready to go.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had fresh trains if we needed I mean the bottom it was fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just hit the head.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we didn't have time to change it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you guys have an issue also where you will talk a vertebrake.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, talking vertebrake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you guys be able to find one?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, we will muddy from Neil Chance, what a champion.
[SPEAKER_03]: When we finally got a hold of him, he drove halfway between
[SPEAKER_03]: What was the game?
[SPEAKER_03]: Kansas to Texas.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I'm on their new left.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the part that broke.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, gave it to us and we rebuilt it, put it back in the day before the last day.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we lost our test day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we had the intercooler split.
[SPEAKER_05]: We repaired the intercooler.
[SPEAKER_05]: We tried getting the world to put it back on, but it's split again.
[SPEAKER_05]: We got an issue here.
[SPEAKER_05]: So then the last two runs we done, which was the six, five and the six, seven.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was done with no ice water and a herd motor.
[SPEAKER_05]: A herd head.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's, yeah, we definitely had more to throw it in.
[SPEAKER_05]: We would have been wrapped in a thread one more day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the car would have been far.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's supposed to hit over and keep going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that car is going to obviously either stay there or come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when it does come back here, what are the plans for it?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that sounds a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be a globetrotter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's more of an exhibition, Kanye.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is... This is the first time.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the... This is the... This is got a shares here that we can now throw some series pair up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the chassis over there on the RGN-II car was just cooked.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't want to see that show you that.
[SPEAKER_05]: That car shouldn't really allow to raise needs to go as Craig from SCF because you just got to put in a Perspects box and push it aside.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't touch it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just leave it easy.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you look at the chassis, the car should not be going as fast as it's going.
[SPEAKER_05]: There is no chassis connectors in it.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's nothing.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's literally got a six-point cage, a tad submission bar work around the driver.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's got the nine-inch diff in the tubular crossmember, and that's all it's got.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there's, yeah, there's no twenty-five, three cages.
[SPEAKER_05]: We saw, we got that Jordan Madden's old car here.
[SPEAKER_05]: And when we saw the bow working, that was like, okay, this is a lot more than we've got in Jordan and June's half a second faster.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is the expected time with this?
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think you're wrong with this?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you are mentioned.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very, very, very low, sixes his name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to say five, but let's just see where we end up in a few months.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if we see that, you know, it's all working the way one or two.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got the power to run fives.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but just matter of how much you can pull it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is how it all works together.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there's a lot of stuff that we've done on that, well, that's been done on that, you know, barcrigan, the boys that it's here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it capable of running fives?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it going to be easy?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, we've got to get this bigger and a lot of things realistic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, what I love to see it run a five.
[SPEAKER_03]: You bet you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that would be just insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Never seen ever, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going to be easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I noticed that I was watching a video on Andrew's channel mode video when you were putting together a motor and you were talking, you weren't talking to the head, but you were putting the studs in.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's people who just hand tighten them, leave it, and then there's people who tighten them down all the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is better, or what are you from your experience?
[SPEAKER_05]: So we screw them all the way down and then you will obviously, they put up a bit like you'll tighten it up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're not going to screw it right down.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once it's bottomed down, once it's bottomed down, once it's bottomed down, you might pull ten millimeters on it, five millimeters on it, like it's not much tension that's required there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't just do the hand tight until you can't go nowhere and then
[SPEAKER_05]: No, not really always nip him up.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I get his boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do buy fuel now.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not like I've got a set tension that I screw him down to.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, like the same with the boys upstairs, same sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: You'll screw him in and you'll tighten him up a bit by hand and that's it.
[SPEAKER_05]: When I say by hand, you might have an only care or a table or something that you tighten up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm in like strictly by hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Alan, nothing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, so I'm not going to say leave him loose now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because that there is some, I guess some methods that people have done in different platforms and it's just hand, hand tight and then yep, and then leave him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I wasn't sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no, okay, there's no negative side to doing that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just what you're coming with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wasn't sure if it causes issues with like maybe cracking the block if you do all the way down.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, look, I wouldn't be getting screwing your headstand.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's starting down and then getting the three I ratchet or breaker bar and tighten down.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't want to be doing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it really is just hand-tight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, not by hand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hand-tight is in like, yep, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tighten out it's it with the ratchet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also, uh, gaskets, like, uh, head gaskets and so on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, it could even be on something like this, or, you know, your, your standard package car, whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what are you guys doing for head gaskets?
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, from running the minimalist or run with a neat head gasket, um, with a good success with that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, from there from down anything bigger than that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, we'll just go to a firing setup.
[SPEAKER_01]: firing set up with the firing set up you you're doing what kind of gas gets him on.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're a copper gasket.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, copper gasket with the ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, ring coming.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you guys ever used brass?
[SPEAKER_05]: The brass rings, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: So now firing gas gets will run the brass rings.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's obviously a groove in the block where you firing sits in.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then each motor you're going to set up a little bit different with how much protrusion you want on the on the firing as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: So how much crush you get on it?
[SPEAKER_01]: The middle head gasket.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So use that with their firing as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you go to a firing gasket setup, then you won't.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have done in a past an o-ring, a stainless o-ring in the block, which give you a bit of extra seal on the, so the o-ring will crush into the dual ball seal on the needle gasket as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay, so you go to set that up obviously at the same time you tune with the machine work.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I have a brass and then I'm also using a nitto with the brass sits inside right inside the block.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's inside of the firing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like perfectly the machine shop knows how to line it up.
[SPEAKER_05]: So does a sit on the firing on the needle?
[SPEAKER_05]: I guess good on the outside of the example.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll sit on it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because the O-ring will press into the fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that's how you get your protrusion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pretty much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the Gnida gasket from memory has a two or three-thio protrusion and it might be one or two-thio on that ring, which then crushes into that.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've done that as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have done that and we have had success with it as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had these questions that I was like, oh, I gotta ask.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to the process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No reason why that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, so we've done it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I ate forty's, I think it was, with that sort of setup and six twenty-five's across the board for six twenty-five's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, even these.
[SPEAKER_05]: These we've had them two and a half thousand with the with the two thousand studs.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've had these employees that come with the billets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that's the way we've run with them and our problems.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: feel no need to go up yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think now that we're starting to get to the higher level, you know, you start to become a throwaway item or you go something a bit better.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's more now that we're going to the bit of heads because you can get the stretch on the start you need when you go to a big start with that material.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's good to know, good to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're coming up short on time, but I do want to say it is an honor to be here and Australia with you guys doing this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are legends.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a ton of people in the States that look up to what you guys are doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully you guys can continue to push the RE platform to higher limits and also break that import record.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be looking forward to seeing that much luck best of luck to what you guys are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to push with this button.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's appreciate it now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know it was so, you know, like, having an interview with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Social media.
[SPEAKER_05]: I look at website.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's close to coming online now, which I've been down at the moment.
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