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[SPEAKER_02]: On today's cast, we're jumping in and what might be the greatest fall of all the Trader Legends, the Emperors Children.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the third legion, like all space marine legions, the third legions or origins come from the unification wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: While they actually, it's weird, they do and don't take part in the unification wars because they're actually, because it, yeah, me say a better way for everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: When the older lower, they didn't take part the unification wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then randomly, there was a note somewhere about them pacifying Antarctica.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the way the lower was always written in the way I read it was that at the end of the unification wars, that's when the Emperor said differently.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the legions actually came into being during the unification wars and fought a little bit in them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the blood angels were one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: want to say the space wolves were as well, but he wasn't like the full legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was small portions of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dark angels, they pull people from two.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're most of them did not though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Almost all of them to be too bad did not take part in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were just creative form and sent out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they were formed in the after effect.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the key pieces about this when they were formed is the people that they pulled from were aligned with the genetic makeup or kind of the genetic destiny that they were going to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for example, the nightlords were all pulled from the criminal elements.
[SPEAKER_02]: The iron hands came from these like really super high-tech wastelands.
[SPEAKER_02]: The imperial fists came from these like builder sections, where it was all the architects.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the world leaders came from all the people that failed the psychological assessment from the other legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm weird that those, weird that those two guys ended up falling a case.
[SPEAKER_02]: The world leaders won't, I'm only half kidding about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyone who's taking a job that you've got psychological assessment, or they should at most jobs, by the way, if they don't, good for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the world leaders, effectively, were like, yeah, these guys are all completely insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just extra violent.
[SPEAKER_02]: And no, they were in, they were also completely insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a level of extra violence.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the difference between a world leader recruit and a night lord recruit?
[SPEAKER_00]: Six, one and a half dozen of another.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the night lord one was like, I stab someone, but then I run away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the world leader one's like, I stab someone, they stand over the body to see if anyone else wants some stabbing.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's some stabbing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've given it away free here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, too for what?
[SPEAKER_02]: knife's so sharp.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you got?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's basically the world leaders.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, not that though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's let's talk about peaky when you say it for his children, you should have to say it with pinkies out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Emperor's children at this point, the third legion came from the nobility of their conquered enemies, specifically those that weren't slaughtered by the Thunder Warriors.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually an interesting history because the Emperor effectively informed all these noble households that he was imposing and imperial tied on them and that they were all to supply their children to fill the ranks of his new armed forces.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I want to part this is a little bit different than the custodes because the custodes have a similar history.
[SPEAKER_02]: The custodes come from the nobility of terror.
[SPEAKER_02]: The custodians come from those who were loyal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was, let's say, you're going to get custod fans, you know, jumping through the window, doing, yeah, yeah, honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a big difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the remnants of the noble houses that the emperor beat the snout out of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, these were custodians were all the loyal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's a big deal though, because the custodians are considered the most loyal since the beginning.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's because all the custos can draw their lineage back to the first people who ever aligned with the emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: The third legion draw their lineage back to the people at the emperor for whatever reason didn't murder.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's basically where they come from, of nobility.
[SPEAKER_02]: The funthwart part about this though is that in the imperial records all of these families were super happy to hand over all their children to be the emperor's warriors because they wanted to atone for the for daring to stand in opposition to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I view this more as a less of a desire to a tone and more of a desire not to be visited by friends of Malkador in the night.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you want?
[SPEAKER_00]: I gave you twice as much as you asked for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mainly because we lost so badly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see the bad guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We lost so badly that you murdered all the people that murdered us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the people who murdered all the people who murdered all of us are just floating around somewhere, I don't want to meet that person anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they're noble background, the Empress Children took on an interesting role within the legions and it's out of leader.
[SPEAKER_02]: not as like a literal leader in the sense of like, oh, we're in charge, but in the spirit leader.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they handled themselves as if they were the nobility within the Emperor legions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in a couple kind of key ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we don't mean this in the sense of they were the leader of the legions, because within the legions they would have just been told, yeah, go to hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was what the Emperor utilized them for.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as we said, the dark angels were used for kind of like,
[SPEAKER_02]: or a fine engagement snowing can ever know about.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the world leaders, the space walls were used for sending a message, you know, everyone had a purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: The third legion were actually interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: They, they're one of their biggest peace was emissaries because they carried themselves with no ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they were the poster boys also.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they got the
[SPEAKER_00]: the engagements that you could put on movie reels when you're doing propaganda pieces.
[SPEAKER_00]: The emperors children showed up with perfect precision.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything looked perfect when they came in and that was one of their driving things is always to be exactly that perfect looking to
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: The armor was crisp and clean, all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they would even use them just to send like, when the emperor would go to bring a world into Imperial compliance, for example, when he brings them into Imperial compliance, not all the times, most times it wouldn't open with hostilities.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would send down an emissary.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was usually the third leg and he would send in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also would do it in a weird way, by the way, that's also written in the code X's.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he asked like send an emissary to other members like of the Imperium, he would send the Emperor's children like carrying a letter, which made me think maybe laps, I think with the Emperor being this being so old that he's actually sending things certified mail, is that I've just sending a text message during email, he's actually sending a certified letter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just one of those weird things he does really, but it is funny though, because you could actually send the most encrypted thing
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and instead he hands a letter do a dude like they'll wax.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it probably was he was holding a tablet that was impossibly encrypted and like five space marines would deliver it to like the other Lord of Terra and that guy probably would get it and go, hey, thanks open read it and then email his buddies with the Emperor told him because you know, that's how you function, but it's the emperor and no one can talk crap in the fact he's like, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: thirty thousand or fifty thousand years old however thousand years old at this point and they're just like look he's old don't send him a pdf
[SPEAKER_02]: Another area that the emperor's children took on really well was leading the imperial army.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this was kind of cool, because space marines are at their core super soldiers.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really when GW wrote this out right, many, many years ago, the goal was to write a super soldier.
[SPEAKER_02]: And truthfully, like the level of super is pretty insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's, you know, we cover that in a different cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they served alongside regular dudes, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of the legions in the Lord hated this, because they viewed the Imperial Army.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're just slow, dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, again, these weren't dumb people, but compared to a space Marine, they're a moron.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were most importantly really, really squishy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this meant that for the most part, the space Marine legions saw the Imperial Army as just getting in their way.
[SPEAKER_02]: more than anything else because they had to run around them or wait for them and do all these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we covered this a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about how Lehman Russ lost his mind over having to carry remembersers and with him into battle and how they all just kept mysterious and getting shot by the enemy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a thousand times shot by the enemy because he was making random dudes without power armor run across a battlefield and the enemy went, well, that dude's not killing me, thump.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in a huge contrast to this, the Emperor's children, because of the fact that they were from nobility, took on this task.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were super actually very not a little prideful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, all of the prideful.
[SPEAKER_00]: They took them on to be fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they looked at them as servants.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think at the comparison, we did a night's cast, so it makes it really easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very similar to way the night pilots viewed the people of their planets, where they viewed them as weak in squishy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they actually took pride in leading them to success in combat, whereas the other space marine legions would just say, cool, cannon fodder.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they would send them out to kind of do whatever and make their lives easier.
[SPEAKER_02]: The emperors children actually took pride in helping the Imperial Army succeed and succeed well.
[SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't share the glory by any means.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he means.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was kind of that their way of getting even more glory.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, look, I took these like pseudo morons and I was able to have them be successful.
[SPEAKER_00]: How amazing a leader am I. I think it's also they wanted to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, did you guys all see how awesome I was about ten minutes ago?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the irony of this to me is that as an imperial soldier, your best possible situation was to be garrisoned with the emperor's children versus obviously space wolves or world leaders.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's takes a rough turn later in this episode because the worst one to be the best station with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're a few, you had hundreds of years of good before you had, oh my God, and thousands of years of awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the other guys are shoving nails in your skulls.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's actually better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go ahead and admit it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually that's that's that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: John, you had the opportunity to say nails in your bed luxury.
[SPEAKER_02]: What we had was what I wouldn't give to have nails, but shoved into my head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk on why they became eventually known as the Emperor's Children.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a title given to them later actually by Fulgram, but they became the Emperor's favorite early on in the campaigns.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so during the onset of the Crusade, the third legion, like everyone else, was sent all over the place, sometime that diplomatic, sometimes for force.
[SPEAKER_02]: On one world was a world called Proxima, and this is where they actually gained the ultimate notoriety of any space marine legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll get to it in a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: But these guys become more important to the emperor than even the ultimaries for a period of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the key worlds in this was Proxima.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so Proxima was brought into Empire compliance by force.
[SPEAKER_02]: The emperor was actually on the planet with the third legion and a force of this custodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: when a full bone rebellion breaks out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And during this rebellion,
[SPEAKER_02]: a rebel or multiple rebels who cares through a vortex grenade.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the black hole that created hits the emperor and all we know is it drops him.
[SPEAKER_02]: No details and damage or add stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's entirely possible that the emperor was actually killed on Proxima, but because he's a perpetual, he just pops back up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He will pop back up later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like a pure highlander, which is why I kind of wish the emperor was dressed in that weird
[SPEAKER_02]: was it red armor that Sean Connery was wearing?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was a very strange Sean Connery.
[SPEAKER_02]: The accents were all wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything about that was odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a Spanish Egyptian man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was a Spanish Egyptian with a Scottish accent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which he has every single thing he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Russian submarine commanding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scottish accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the Russians got a Jackson.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we had a Russian Spanish Egyptian accent.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for those of you who haven't seen Highlander,
[SPEAKER_02]: See it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on the Oscar for greatest movie of all time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I ever made.
[SPEAKER_02]: It isn't a great movie like just letting you know if you're watching it with a spouse.
[SPEAKER_02]: They may walk away.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay, but it's still decently okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whatever the reason the emperor is now out of commission and the hordes of rebels just come tearing down the third legion and the custodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The third legion hold their ground shoulder to shoulder with the custodes and they do they all every single one of them perishes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just as the rebels, though, get to the Emperor's body, he gets up and he was in a mood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the Emperor definitely put on his boots of my asking, because he just got hit by a black hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, more props to the Emperor for being the baddest dude around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bad dad awful plans unbelievably powerful hardcore guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He stands up and goes, nah, ain't going out like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The note I wrote was, Proxima still exists as a planet, but all of the people who were on it at this time, and their descendants do not.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I will actually never, but hardcore on this too, because not only does he just eliminate everyone in front of him and all the rebels, he then leaves the planet, turns to the third legion and says, hey, that planet just killed bunch of your friends and brothers, why don't you go kill every single person there?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they went,
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they did what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they did the virus vomit.
[SPEAKER_02]: They went door to door selling girls.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because because the planet still retains strategic and I believe it wasn't agricultural role, but it was actually was a very healthy world.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they couldn't risk virus bombing it, but they also couldn't risk anyone on the planet still being alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they just murdered them all and brought in new settlers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this also when they get rewarded the right to wear the equivalent?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and this is cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the the emperors children have if you look at like old pictures of them where the the emperors are quite on their chest just like anyone who plays modern forty k that's there that they were the only ones who had this no other legion or the the symbol of the emperor on their armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the most of the custos are on a legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was them when the custodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: This actually did create a lot of, I wouldn't call it animosity, but jealousy from the other legions, because everyone else was like, they all, I mean, it wasn't like the, all the other legions were like, well, I don't care about the emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, maybe alpha legion and the nightlords.
[SPEAKER_02]: But most of the other ones, I don't think alpha legion gave any crap.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: A fairies has been loyal to the still.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm not saying, I'm not saying the lack of loyalty, but I'm saying it's I don't think I'll fairies cared if he was wearing the the acquilla of the emperor not.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was always in disguise anyways.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas like, you know, like the blood angels would have like, I wouldn't wear that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That things cool, you know, the ultra marines would have been super into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in for everybody to play with modern, if you haven't looked at this, this is everybody has it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just period.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, because of the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: at the time, this was a huge deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a huge source of pride, which we will probably say that we're quite a bit, because it is wildly by far, not even close, they're biggest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pride is there, Jim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, an interesting thing happens too, and this is, this is my like-like, because we're about to tell you a story that just got, not redcombed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got new information recently.
[SPEAKER_02]: During the endless conflicts on Mars, they're going back now into the dark age of technology,
[SPEAKER_02]: cloning became really critical.
[SPEAKER_02]: All humans on Mars are that groan and heavily genically modified because their radiation talks and levels there are insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the mechanic liked a tinker.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to say, and the bonus, why would we not screw with it?
[SPEAKER_02]: This just makes sense to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when they, when the emperor got to Mars, one of the main areas he took aside from all the weaponry was also, they were calling gene cults.
[SPEAKER_02]: These were the, these were the groups who, the term, they used term cult by the way a lot in Forty Kay cult doesn't mean like small group of people doing weird things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more like job.
[SPEAKER_02]: So these were the guys who was job it was to work on the genes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he took these gene cults under the imperium.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this was going to be massive for him for growing the space Marines because they were, it's not just they were more advanced, they had just had more technology, more capabilities than were on terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are the things that they was a big deal though?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think was they had hands on.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had people that had been doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't even just that they were better technological.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had people that were had been doing this for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, the difference is the Emperor obviously had the Thunder Wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'd done this stuff back on Terra, but he was taking, you know, normal people, people who were born naturally and converting them over, whereas the every single living being on Mars was genetically created.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it was that grown all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were just better at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they had hands on.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just go, hey, I was going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I've got Ted over here who's got a hundred years of this particular machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to let Ted do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So over time, the emperor moved each of his genetic experiments to terror.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did them one legion at a time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and you've got him going.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what happened was at one point, what I want
[SPEAKER_02]: what happened was the transit ship carrying all of the third legiongianic material got destroyed or disappeared.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually changes in the lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no, nothing was written forever about what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just said that there were all there were rumors.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were some stories that some rebels turned an orbital laser on the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other story now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, others were like a warp event just caused a ship to crash.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, anyways, Necron fan knows what really happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trasin
[SPEAKER_02]: knew about the gene seed, thought it was cool, and he just went and took it.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was just saying, I already have the lead gene seed.
[SPEAKER_02]: He took the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somewhere in Trasian's giant labyrinth, there is all of the gene seed for the third legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing with it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is nothing because it's exhibit one million eight hundred and sixty-two.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a guy who has an entire gene, well, he had an entire gene sealer called all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just hang with Patriarchs and everything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just hang it out in a pocket dimension.
[SPEAKER_02]: Case that came up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Turns out C-tans don't like them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, really good book guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, really, really good book.
[SPEAKER_02]: The infinite divine.
[SPEAKER_02]: This loss that was catastrophic for the Legion, because they lost really all, but just a small sample that was left back on terror.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what we're struggling with was miniscule in comparison.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would take what it will take them centuries to kind of to compound that formula and grow enough to be equal to what was lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: What makes us a lot worse is that we've covered before with gene seed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can preserve gene seed in battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: The apothecaries are equipped to extract the gene seed from a deceased space marine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this requires two big things.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, there has to be a body left.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is an era with Volkite plasma, Melta vortex.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not always
[SPEAKER_02]: something left, you can pull jeans, eat out of, and second, they had to win the battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the truth is, the spacemines didn't win every battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did retreat a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would go into an engagement, they would lose soldiers, and they would retreat back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That means that that space marine's gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: And every single conflict, the third legion, it starts reducing their numbers every time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're effectively a dying legion at this stage unless they can find a new source to pull the gene seed from.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I'm not a big, you know, I'm not, I'm not pretty foreshadow over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do Fulgram.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should have with on to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but yeah, let's just, let's just jump into it because it's, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fulgram, like every other prime, full-gram has an origin story and it kind of sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hemose, chemo, it's C-H-E-M-O-S.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna pronounce it, chemo's and chemo's randomly as we talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, sorry about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was this colossally crappy place in the galaxy?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a mining planet that was settled during the age of technology that fell to disrepair during the age of strife.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's surrounded by a nebula dust cloud and had this very minimal binary star.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for those of you who listen to our age of technology, just drive, you know, in my immediate thought when I hear that is cybernetic rebellion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe the Imperium settled a planet in the age of technology that was a colossal piece of garbage with a crappy sun and surrounded by a dust cloud.
[SPEAKER_02]: I firmly believe it was a wonderful world where the star probably got hit by the men of iron and the nebula dust cloud used to be a moon or another planet that got blown up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why it's so shitty.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as usual, it was not great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So chemosis problem is they actually can't produce enough materials or food to feed its populations.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had these vaporizers and synthesizers.
[SPEAKER_02]: GW's words not mine all over the planet, but only a few of them were working, and so they had to work all day and all night, and even then they couldn't produce enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so if it's written that to keep the factories functioning, the population of chemo's work all day, they would do nothing but work and sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there was no art.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no leisure.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no joy in their lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: They wake up, they go to the factory, they work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they go to sleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there are no extra resources.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even with all this, the population was just destined for extinction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every day, the factories were aging and decaying.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so no matter how much rationing they did and what changes they made, eventually, every factory would cease the function.
[SPEAKER_02]: The population would starve and die.
[SPEAKER_02]: So one day, scouts who are out looking for parts to repair the factory, stumble across a, ah, that's crashed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And inside is little baby full-groom.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just like with Senguinius, the thought was, let's murder that baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is so crazy on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, it was, Senguinius was, it's a mutant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at those wings.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's killing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was, we can't afford to feed this baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone murdered that baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he was a very attractive baby, not in a creepy sense, but in a sense like he looked, there was a perfection to him that no one had ever seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they decide not to murder the baby, long story short.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's pretty of a baby, do you have to be?
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how it goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to kill that baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good looking baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is he the Gerber?
[SPEAKER_00]: Baby just given double guns.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, like, did he give him macro?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a primer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, oh, let's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also still think something was sanguine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think I think someone did try to kill dead sanguine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's like, eleven dead bodies just ringing the baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was like, let's not try to do that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how these people died, but I don't want to be the next.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the common denominator is that baby in the middle and I just want to go ahead and let's just let's be nice to the baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of, but anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for whatever reason, they decide he's handed over to one of the people that found him and they person named him Fulgram, who's after like a former deity of the people of Kemos from the Age of Strife.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Fulgram does the exact same montage every other primeark does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he makes everything better for the people of chemos pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he does it, you know, but they'll do it in a special way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not every primeark, my friend, not every primeark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, every primar can prove the lives of the people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, let me everyone even even even conred.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll conred to his group of people made life better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, for the people of the planets at night, Arizona.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it was like, Fulgram actually makes things pretty boss mode, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, fullrooms up there with
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Bobby G just is obviously the perfect and the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all it ever happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say, again, one of us likes one of the leads.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just slightly more.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might be kind of a fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure how we could do an ultramarine cast if it's just me going seriously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't all of you love them so much?
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's going to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what Folkham does though, critically, is he drastically improves the output of all the factories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Primarchs are geniuses.
[SPEAKER_02]: At their core, they are geniuses.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so diagnosing and kind of improving machinery is easy for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are tactical geniuses.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is machinery.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can kind of see how the pieces go together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And with a couple decades, full-groomed terms is planet around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a series of events, the last one's kind of the key one.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first thing he does is he fixes all the existing machinery to opt them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the planet goes from a deficiency in production to a surplus.
[SPEAKER_02]: He then helps the people kind of spread out from the few factories they have left and reclaim even more of them, turning all the factors across the planet into these things, which then turns the entire planet into a manufacturing hub, which then produces enough resource to grow interstellar trade, and the planet then goes from this like dying hellscape to being a prosperous word, which interestingly is the next step from here,
[SPEAKER_02]: really sets full grim up for a lot of his fall, which is now that they've have a surplus and they've got all this stuff, they can start doing things like art, music, theater, leisure, enters their lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: and Fulgram.
[SPEAKER_00]: He loves all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fulgram goes and just becomes obsessed with beauty in all forms, but also he instantly becomes peekies out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about it because he's only he's obsessed instantaneously with only the best, the most beautiful, the perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: You had to be perfection in what he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of short-tempered about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They make a little bit of it, but he's almost instantly a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not bringing me the best, why are you here?
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: He with all of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this starts fueling his entire life and it gets a lot worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: when the Emperor shows up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, when the Emperor comes to chemo, it's actually very anti-climactic, whereas, you know, other people, the Emperor had to challenge them, or there was some fight, or some this, or some that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Emperor shows up, Fulgram looks at him, and it really takes a knee and bows and thealty and declares.
[SPEAKER_00]: He saw in the Emperor what he thought was perfection.
[SPEAKER_00]: Perfection.
[SPEAKER_02]: He immediately went.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I want to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Emperor grabs full-groom and they head back to Tara to unify him with his legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: And along the way, he starts teaching full-groom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Emperor, by the way, Deborah has one dad moment with each other primarx.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's right after he grabs each of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has that, like, let's go play catch in the yard.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by playing catch in the yard, I mean, I'm going to teach you all about my worldview.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, you've really, actually said, it's not catch in the yard.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pure indoctrination of my worldview when I hope you follow through one of the
[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, he might have been played catch while he was doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there was a lot of how you and Dr. People that my catch might have been part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he explains, so Fulgram learns about that the only thing basically standing between humanity and extinction is the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Galaxy's full of horrifying Xenos, alls of, no, never mentions chaos one time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just Xenos and Imperiums who don't understand how great the emperor is.
[SPEAKER_00]: and tell you, my hard side about that so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Horace Harris, he prevented by a series of quick emails.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Fulgram takes all, but Fulgram takes all this in and really believes it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He feels, because I mean, I've got this is his legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the cares about protecting the weak.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, do they stop doing that later?
[SPEAKER_02]: But they care about protecting the weak.
[SPEAKER_02]: He views the entirety of humanity as the weak and himself as the strong, and he is going to save all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, specifically, his legion is going to save all of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's talk about his legion, because he gets back to Terra, and his legion is a small crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's two hundred of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: At this moment, there were two hundred and fifty thousand ultramarines.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had two hundred.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they could have met at a chilies.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, split up a few appetizers.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I had actually been to house parties.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had more people at it than this.
[SPEAKER_02]: The cops showed up, but I have been in house parties.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had more people than full groom's entire legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now none of them were nine foot tall super soldiers, but you know, this, that or the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Fulgram is told that they need to use him to extract a fresh gene seed and that from there they could start implanting new recruits.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thanks to the people of chemo, some of the nobility of terror, they've got a good number of these recruits, but it's going to take decades to get the legion back to strength.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least that's what you should have taken.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was saying weirdly, it did not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: This GW time tables are like everything's a montage.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I. Yeah, but it didn't give him, it didn't give him time to do two cool things.
[SPEAKER_00]: One, he started going on random cyclists to level up apparently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they were super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, he is a badass at this point in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he can also do shenanigans because one of the things that full-groom has every Primer has their super power, basically, even before he's demon Primer foreshadowing, he's got basically regeneration, more so than anybody else does, because he takes it and improves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he just gets, he finds that out in those side quests.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, when he starts going out and doing shit, he's, I'm invincible, finding the learn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not a perpetual, but I mean, actually, I'll be honest, he's basically perpetual light because he keeps getting his ass kicked later on.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll cover this more in the next couple episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's bad and perpetual, but he definitely has regeneration though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's died a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm more joking, he constantly loses, loses.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's almost all the way and then gets the comeback.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of, that's what he's, he's a perpetual light.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a highlander who doesn't get his head chopped off, just gets stabbed.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, sister recurring, he's a recurring villain on a show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go with one of his side quests.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, the first one is him hanging out with Ferris Manus.
[SPEAKER_02]: So while on Terra, because Fulton gets kind of bored, he's not much to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can't take his legion out on a campaign.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to be locals.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can keep extracting jeans.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's out of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't explain how they do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't want to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could be that could be a bad part of the writing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he just starts taking on stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the first thing one obviously's art and culture, he's
[SPEAKER_02]: The focus is traveling around Tara visiting every art museum and every gallery and every fashion show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he's also he's doing it like a rock star and hope because he also has like magical beauty, you know, he's
[SPEAKER_02]: people are seeing it's beauty.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let's call this out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he is a nine foot tall ultra jacked dude with a long platinum hair.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's chisel and with perfect facial features.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what he does, he starts dressing the part too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's everyone sees him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's always wearing like robes and cloaks, even while armored.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, if he has his armor, he still has like, he was like a high cloak around his neck so everyone can see him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he gets his reputation out like this like high fashion.
[SPEAKER_02]: like space marine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he also has become quite the patron of the arts.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going around, judging sculptures and paintings and all of these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: He becomes in a lot of ways like, like, the resume is a rock star.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like more of a cultural rock star.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, I can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this does continue by the way, when he later on, when they do, when they leave terror, they begin to take part in the Great Crusade, he brings all this art with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He even brings art.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was just saying he brings artists, musicians, he puts on, they put on full theater plays in his flagship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, full, he's doing like Cirque de Soleil and he's just got huge stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: But while on Tara, he makes his first real friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, Fulgram desire is in perfection.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to go make a perfect weapon to match his perfect appearance.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, he goes to this great forward under Mount Narondina, N-A-R-O-D-Y-N-A.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while, as he walks in, I do it in there, banging away on a sword, and it's ferrous madness.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by doing it, I mean, a primord.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a primord for the Iron Hands.
[SPEAKER_00]: who's crafting weapons, the most apt need.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the worst.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate the fact that, and we'll cover him later, but his hands were made of metal, and so he has iron hands, and then his legion are the iron hands.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't be a hater, John.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one else, no one else got that treatment.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one else got, got done that dirty.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only ones who got dirty.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I guess the Ultramarines are kind of bags that were a blue armor, but it's like they were all blue, and then they named them Ultramarines.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's like, it's just lame.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, Fulgram tells Ferris that, hey, I need to use your forge, because I'm going to go, I'm going to go make a weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if the greatest weapon ever, and Fulgram just looks at him,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, this is a guy who's dressed like, you know, it like highfalutin fashion, like Will Smith's kid walking in, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I, I, I like you see, I'll like you see, because you lander.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what, oh, you're right, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the best way to do lander.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have the black lung.
[SPEAKER_02]: Various legs.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looks his hands and points his hands and says, not with those, you're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ferris gets upset.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Fogrum challenges him to a forejoff because Ferris has now informed Fogrum that the forage was a little too forced for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Fogrum informs Ferris that he was going to forge him off because he had forage off anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ferris disagrees and tells him that now I could forge you off and if you don't get that reference, I'm sorry because I movie was awesome and this entire scene is how I envisioned that scene from that movie so the next part though is purely canon and I would have skipped it if it wasn't canon
[SPEAKER_02]: Full-german ferris in their face-off for their forge-off, decide to take their shirts off.
[SPEAKER_02]: No reason given, they just stripped down to the waist and begin working the forge together.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same as those of you who've seen Commando, which I hope is all of you, one of the weirdest scenes the whole movie is he lands his C plane.
[SPEAKER_02]: He then strips down to a banana hammock, rose to shore in a banana hammock, and then puts on the camo clothes and paints his face to go fight, you know, actually go save his daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no, I guess he didn't want to get sweaty.
[SPEAKER_02]: I cannot figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that being said, if I was built like a Greek god, which I'm not, I can't say I wouldn't find it every moment to be in a banana havoc.
[SPEAKER_00]: There also just working the forage in front of a shit ton of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, that's also the funnier.
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't like his forge off to the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, works.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gigantic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I further they also mentioned that all the other people in the forging of vert their eyes because in all of these two incredible beings bang away with hammers making weapons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, best, the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was, this was just, there's some hard core montage happened this moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, three months later, the two primarks finished their work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, at the exact same time, Fulgram has built a giant warhammer and Ferris built a sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they both handed each other the sword and they cannot find any flaws, another one's sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they both declare the other one, the winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: and to commemorate the event, they both give each other the weapon they made as a gift.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they become best friends at this moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is, man, they missed the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did we just become best friends?
[SPEAKER_02]: They were always best friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the difference.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what I'm just saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: The stepbrothers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess it's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was more saying like the stepbrothers when they tried to murder each other first is one that they didn't they kind of month for job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're trying to forge each other off pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really do like the bar people.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you guys don't, I'm sorry, just it was funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, more importantly, though,
[SPEAKER_02]: their bond is stronger than I think, because every primarke, you know, viewed each other as a brother, but there was a variance to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, Conrad and, yeah, Conrad and Angron were as everyone's brother, but they weren't the first invite you sent to the party.
[SPEAKER_00]: They say brother that it's always me has the implication that there's a question mark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're having it at that everyone's invited.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you guys, but hey, if you guys can't make it, it's totally cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: That part that little extra bit was added to their invites.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is, you know, right, it's surely there after these two.
[SPEAKER_02]: build their friendship, the emperor's children, you know, reach out large enough to be deployed, not deployed independently, because they weren't large enough yet for a solo engagement, but they could, they could now take some losses.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they were assigned to the Luna Wolves.
[SPEAKER_02]: The goal here was not to like make them subservient to Luna Wolves, but actually help them learn from what was at this point the best chapter.
[SPEAKER_02]: His full grim now gets to learn from Horace, and he really learns, because full grim is a fast learner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it goes beyond that though.
[SPEAKER_00]: full-groom is obsessed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, obsessed, he's elder level obsessed with perfection in all things, be it beauty, whatever, in battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time there's a flaw, he wants that erased and we will never do that again.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the key thing with with Horace is he goes and he learns the best way to do battle for the Imperium and Fullroom takes it, learns it and me the begins to improve on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looks at every and the cool thing then this is like this is the early part of the Emperor's children is this area here so it made them so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: After every battle, no matter how successful they were, he would come back and he would find the flaws that occurred.
[SPEAKER_02]: Both in troop placement, movement, weapons selection, even the action the troops themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: The soldiers of the Emperor's children would spend more time in dueling and practicing than anyone else.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were looking to be absolutely perfect, as opposed to the space wolves.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is why I wonder what's out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's no question at the space walls were an incredibly efficient lesion.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would decimate, they would destroy their opposition.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the space walls after a victory would go home and high-five each other and celebrate.
[SPEAKER_02]: The emperor's children would have the same event at the space wall to have go home.
[SPEAKER_02]: the yellow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's starting to gain tape.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's starting to gain tape.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and yelling themselves in the mirror by how you should be, how you could be better.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it really would be it's fair to argue at this stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: The emperor's children were the best legion in the entire as far as a soldier to soldier combo with the best legion in the entire military.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but they're really on the precipice for a fall, even before chaos comes into this, because you can't maintain this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this desire for perfection is going to be an issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what ends up happening is the Amperes children grow enough to start doing some solo engagements, and they start moving around the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: this leads him to a big one, which is the layer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the emperor's children take their place in a great crusade.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, phlegram is teaching his legion over and over again, nothing short of perfection is acceptable.
[SPEAKER_02]: No matter the achievement, you can always do better.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's basically a worse dad than the emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: One challenge for them is that as the great crusade continues, every legion gets their like moment to shine.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all gained some sort of renown and all the religions here about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Each of these moments, though, mode of the the emperors children, more than anyone else, to be better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every time the blood angle is accessible, the ultramarines, iron warriors, whoever, every time they succeed in the major engagement,
[SPEAKER_02]: The British children look at that engagement and think to themselves, I could have done it better, I could have done it faster and I could have had with less loss of life and less loss of resource every single time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so their goal is to always, so every chance they get to do an engagement, they then strive to outperform everyone else.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was such a big deal because every time they heard about the accomplishments of an illusion, it wasn't that they had envy towards it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It basically damaged their pride that someone else was doing something better than they were.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why weren't they
[SPEAKER_00]: doing better than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only just that, but like we should always be better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I don't, if anybody else does anything, it shows on how I'm worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it should know when it should ever be better than me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, this wasn't like in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now I will get them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to give them the credit here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was never done in a way to undermine the Legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: They never, ever, ever tried to undermine anyone else, holding one else kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was, it was, it was, this is the healthiest form of computation that exists.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, where, you know, I was an athlete for a very long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't care about losing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I cared about about not improving.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was my issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the times someone gets you, that's okay, but you need to improve.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always wanted, I was, make sure when I lost it was my fault.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Random ocean world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Out in the expanse of the galaxy, there's this reptilian species called the layer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they layer live on a collection of floating structures using anti-grav technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's never written why the Imperium wanted this world, but I assume because there's nothing on it, but water.
[SPEAKER_02]: I assume it's because they just wanted to soak up all the water to supply the fleets and colonies, because the layer of one hundred percent is, you know, like there's no way they would not be exterminated by the emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: but it just says the world mattered.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem though is the layer are high, it will two problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, highly technologically advanced and two slun-esh cultists.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty serious slun-esh cultists, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, like all the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the bigger things about this is, let's backtrack just a smidge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slanesh has been peeking over the wall trying to figure out it's in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like someone needs to introduce me to full-gram and his legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really want to be part of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: problem solved because, remember, phlegram doesn't know what chaos is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they could have told anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not even all fights, I mean, to your, to Brad's point about like, you could send an email about, hey, this is chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: He could have just told like three of the primaries.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to tell curves or anger on.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could just tell like, hey, tell Bobby G, you know, the lion, Horace would have been helpful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, hey, this is, this chaos thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you see it,
[SPEAKER_02]: burn it to the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: The planet is called Laren, and the people there are called Lare, which is not easy for me to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, upon entering the orbit above Laren, the Lare attack, and full-grooming his legion, decide, screw that, were killing every single one of these.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fun story on that though is that for whatever this was the way they write this the chronology doesn't work very well, but it's written that the council of terrorists said, oh no, just skip them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's too much work to conquer it.
[SPEAKER_02]: but it also says that basically they attacked the fleet in orbit and then right away, full-gram attacked them back.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't understand how that's there, but just to some of them call me out and say, well, if you'd says this, yeah, it does, but just doesn't make chronologic sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Effectively, full, and there's some other people in the Legion who are known for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Emperor's children, by the way, did have a reputation for this of someone say, oh, that battle's not winnable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or the resource expanded in that battle wouldn't make it worth it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You shouldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: and the Emperor's children go, hold my beer, they go and do it, and by the way, preserve all the resources.
[SPEAKER_02]: They basically prove the naysayers wrong when they do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what was happening on Lair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fulgram was being told, don't bother with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're too technologically advanced.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll just nuke him from orbit later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, no, I don't need to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Watch this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Me and my legion are so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to take the bad odds and we're going to win by a landslide.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I took that personally.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So upon landing on the planet, the emperors children find that their senses are kind of getting overwhelmed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The entire planet has just, it's like really blaring, not music, just noise, colors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, yeah, and it's offensive to the senses, the way the colors are together, because they're so extreme, it's actually makes it hard to focus.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is actually the one time Brad, you being colorblind would be helpful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, your migraines.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're supposed to say, I don't think that my migraines would really do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your migraines and the noise would drop, you'd be in the ball crying on the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the visuals wouldn't be that bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they got some good noise canceling headphones, you just kind of wander through like, why is everyone so upset?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the layer are long fallen to chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are basically where the elder were at the fall.
[SPEAKER_02]: So everything for them is an extreme for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every visual, every sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, like, you know, the full-gram like any good primarq knows badly, knows where to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he figured out pretty quickly that there's a main fortress in a capital building.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he directs his forces there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're just rushing there and killing every layer on the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the goal is to cut the head off the serpent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I run it because this is a really, really cool story.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do try to do a little bit of justice.
[SPEAKER_00]: But both here is called calling on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the book is called Fogrum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the, the thing it was released after flight devices time, but it kind of covers both very good and fall story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the best ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this battle is awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so Fulgram rushes in and at the center of the temple is a giant sword, just floating in the air.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the laryn are hurtling themselves at the Emperor's Children to kill them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not, again, the layer by the way, we're not being influenced by slenash to kind of like trick them into a deep battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would just bear a slenash, he called this and they just were enjoying the party.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the space frame slarter them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fullroom walks over and he sees this blade just sitting there.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it's perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: We true perfection.
[SPEAKER_02]: The handle is perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: The curve of it is just the right curve.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even the placement and the color of the gem in the hill is absolute perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which it also became all these things for him, specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Fulgram picks it up as a war token and to commemorate his great victory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fun story.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is technically a blade, it's a power sword, but it's also a vessel that goes between the material and the immaterial.
[SPEAKER_02]: and inside because the blade itself was a chaos demon or inside the blade.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of hard to grasp.
[SPEAKER_00]: The inside has a demon inside of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a it's the if you were playing a game.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a curse.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you when you picked up the sword, it would have been named unbelievably curse sword.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is obviously a cursed weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't you don't have to you don't have to cast the text magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're good.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what happens is he being is carrying the sword around him with him everywhere and a couple things occur because like any cursed weapon anyone's done any sort of sci-fi or fantasy knows the longer you're around a cursed item the more affected has.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Fulgram starts off by just kind of hearing whispers in the back of his mind, which he actually assumes is his own conscious, like talking to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because the whispers, they're all designed to kind of drive his thinking more towards Slenex.
[SPEAKER_02]: But don't forget, Fulgram naturally kind of goes that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he doesn't really view this as someone trying to manipulate him one way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He views it as just a reinforcement in his own thinking.
[SPEAKER_02]: because the demon and all demons are trying to send him down a path of ruin, because if he can do that, then they can take possession of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this happens right about the same time, the Horace Heresy begins, starts to begin in earnest.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, this is close to Daven, is coming up really quick here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so just shortly before Daven, full-groom and his legion are sent to a place called the DS Borax.
[SPEAKER_02]: The DS Borax were a civilization of humans, you know, alliances that they'd back to the age of strife.
[SPEAKER_02]: The iron hands were sent to the sector.
[SPEAKER_02]: to spread the imperial truth to them, which really can sit in my imperial truth, what they mean is all the humans who are part of the esports, need to go murder all the Zenos who are part of the esports, and all those humans were like, well, we wouldn't have to survive the long night.
[SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know who you guys are.
[SPEAKER_02]: How about you, you know, get the hell out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is our neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this, these two obviously,
[SPEAKER_02]: go to battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the issue is, as we, as we, as I'm glad we did a coverage of the age of technology, the DS borax are someone who survived the age of strife because they preserved and had most of the age of technology equipment.
[SPEAKER_02]: which meant they were actually better equipped and better armed than the space marine legends.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the iron hands and mealy run into problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are, you know, they're not getting, not necessarily losing, but they're not winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they call in for reinforcements and phlegram and his legion come to assist his best friend and these enemies in the emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so phlegram, this is awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a two for he gets to wage war with his best friend and be a saver for humanity by destroying enemies of humanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: But during the battle, we get the first glimpse of chaos kind of affecting for them because the DS borax
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, sorry, it's a space belt.
[SPEAKER_02]: The DS Borax attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: The attack, the full-groom's ship, the firebird.
[SPEAKER_02]: And start wrecking it to the point where the firebird probably, like, full-groom might die here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This ship is completely game-roin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ferris sees this and turns his ship and hits the afterburners and slams in the DS Borax ship, saving full-groom in his crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ferris just saved Fulgram, but Fulgram just takes this as a personal, a front.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't say, it's not outward by the end of the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is outward.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all internal.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's all a strange.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but his internal memory, his internal monologue, isn't his internal monologue.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the possessed demon.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's sitting there talking to him and going because originally he's, oh, he saved my brother saved me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, did my brother just try to steal my glory?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he showing me up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he trying to show that I have flaws?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he trying to show my flaws?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would he do this?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the big shift because Old Fulgram would have seen his the Ferris saving him as a failure of himself and a desire to improve himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now he sees intent in what Ferris did to try and so the doubt throughout not just in the entirety of the Imperium of the superiority of Fulgram.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right about this exact time, Horus and his legion are land on Devon, and you know, to deal with Eugene Temba, Horus gets stabbed, a demon blade, and he ends up, you know, in the serpent lodge, giving himself over the chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Folgr was not aware of this, but this is all happening right at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a big deal in this, though, because Folgr makes it almost quick flip, because he's been being corrupted this whole time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But right as of this point, he goes from, I want to make myself better to be better to, I want to show everybody and push them down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's going to go wild in me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, let's talk with Folgrim is going to go meet one of Brad's buddies and Brad's buddies screws this up royally.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Folgrim goes to a maiden, what they don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a maiden world, which is a maiden world, aka former, our own world.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while walking along there, he bumps into a small group of little elves, one of which is Eldred, the far sear of the old way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who is?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just want to point out again.
[SPEAKER_02]: The supposed to be the greatest far-seer of all the Eldar.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he can scribe all the way to the futures.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to fade the Eldar out of this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no defending.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eldar.
[SPEAKER_00]: He saw his meeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knew that Horace had been corrupted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He went to tell us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eldar has also one of the most powerful psychos in all of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he has a better connection to the warp than any other Eldar.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's Eldrad do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he starts explaining to Fulgram how Horace, with, you know, the bread's point, is being corrupted as we speak, giving himself over the cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: This long and passion speech, and at no point in the speech, as he noticed the demon blade hanging from the waste of the primary who's talking to, or on earth, the primary talk who has demonic corruption inside of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: That all just gets missed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean potato potato I mean sometimes you can just try to yeah sometimes you may like the most important piece there was a blade with a demon prince inside it like ten feet from eldratt and he just ignored that feature I kept going on I have a story it's a bigger thing that he foresaw his meeting with full-groom but he didn't foresee the fact that full-groom
[SPEAKER_00]: did not take this news well.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, folgrim attacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not going to ruin what is an epic fight scene, but it does involve an avatar of King.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, the book is full-groom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just go ahead and read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll try to have a backup plan, which was that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, how'd that go?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I mean, he's he's he's still alive, bro.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still alive, but he's so bad at foresight.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's just so bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is like I can see into the future kind of sort of, but not with a lot of detail.
[SPEAKER_02]: So real foggy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very foggy man needs some glasses by the dark side of the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just it's getting some readers.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's an old man.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I have to wear readers now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can wear readers.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty close to having to have to turn a light on when I read a menu at a dark restaurant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for by the way, for all our young listeners that happens in your forties to BS man to BS.
[SPEAKER_02]: Put that in the rear of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I entered my forties healthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd limped in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was still here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you're doing fine, but just.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to hear no bell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying other two of us, my forty, my forty year old heart is better than your forty year old heart was.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, your heart isn't even all my heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: You did come in with with extra pieces.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mine's all just on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am bonus.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm AdMack.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So upon leaving Tarte's full-gram makes haste to head over to Horace.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he doesn't want to believe what Eldred says, but he also doesn't not believe it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when he arrived, it's way too late.
[SPEAKER_02]: Horace has already made his dark pact.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's full down the path.
[SPEAKER_02]: But one thing about chorus, and this is important, he's a master negotiator and order.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, he's that that's his superpower.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, he's his charisma on this, but also I actually think that right now is peak, chorus power of with being chorus still because he's way more powerful at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets to Tera, but that's not even
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's more powerful.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's chaos power.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's still at this stage very much so horrors because the truth isn't to defend him and defend the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's because right now all the chaos gods are pouring all their energy into him as opposed to later on when they're all trying they're all playing the great game.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're putting energy into it, but they also want to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there's a lot of other stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: This stage, everything is about we have to get this guy to fight the emperors.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's just make sure he's there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's he's.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's off for a year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's he's so jacked right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was already anytime horse came to negotiation.
[SPEAKER_00]: He won.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, negotiate was over.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's.
[SPEAKER_00]: super-powered with that ability, I think Fogram had no chance.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they actually, they do go over like what he says.
[SPEAKER_02]: The short story of what he says is he just appeals massively the Fogram's natural tendencies.
[SPEAKER_02]: He points out that the Emperor didn't just betray the primarx.
[SPEAKER_02]: He betrayed all of humanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a big check for Fogram right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: humanity could be this perfect force in the galaxy, a shining light against a darkness.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the emperor was like, PewDiePie small men make decisions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if the emperor is left to do this stuff, there will be bickering and fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the cause of Fogranus can't handle.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's saying, if we could do this, we could overthrow the emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: We could create a perfect humanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Fulgram just goes, all right, it doesn't help, it doesn't hurt, by the way, there's a demon braid blade just cheering him on the background the whole time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, you know, just that hype kid is the best idea ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: So at the end of this, Fulgram is convinced and he and Horace says, hey, I need you, we need more allies though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you go talk to Ferris Manis and sway him over?
[SPEAKER_02]: Fulgram does this, and I want to make a quick side note here, because this, Fulgram is not the only one who does this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've seen this with Martarian, we've seen this with Magnus, we've seen this happen over and over again.
[SPEAKER_02]: With the exception of like Alfarius and maybe Petarabo, all of the primarks that were turned to chaos were already pretty heavily affected or influenced by chaos gods in one way or another.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't know, but it was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I bring this up because all the Trader primarks, they all flip pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is because they were being manipulated even beforehand.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is that when you then believe in something so easily, like, oh, well, this just makes objective sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you go and tell someone who's not being influenced by chaos gods, it doesn't go great.
[SPEAKER_00]: right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also you're not Horace.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're also not Horace, but even if it was Horace, I don't think Horace flips Ferris.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm, we'll skip say when he gets them to listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we will skip saying when he is no and like, Dylan in line, they were never flipping, but even like Ferris, I don't think I'm a Ferris Corvax.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're your buddy none of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think flippy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to think to myself, you heard this wildly supernatural charismatic guy explain, you know, this pyramid scheme, and then you try to tell the next person, you're like, you should not him tell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm a great cooler.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got an example of who's actually radio had, and I use it because
[SPEAKER_02]: If you know anyone, if you like radiohead or you know anyone who likes radiohead, people who like radiohead, it speaks to their soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: They talk about listening to radiohead, like it's a mind-changing experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you don't like radiohead and you hear it, you go, yeah man, that's music.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what this was for these guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if Fulham gets this speech from Horace, he's just like, it's checking every box for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's feeling it all the way in his soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to tell everyone else about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone else is like, I mean, it's a good song, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, I, I don't want to listen to it again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Fulgram and Ferris meet, and they meet and they actually intersect them of Ferris's flagship.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Fulgram does this whole speech about all these great points, all this stuff, how the Emperor's betrayed them blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, at the end of it says, right, and Ferris basically punches them the face.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big deal that he did that program is at this point in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fulgram is when he comes in here is a hundred percent convinced that he's, oh, yeah, I've got this.
[SPEAKER_02]: My best friend is going to totally do this, the thing I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ferris's response is to tell him,
[SPEAKER_02]: FU, how dare you, I now, by the way, not only do I disagree with you, I'm going to kill you now, because you are an enemy to the emperor, you are a traitor, and these two have the fist of cuffs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because so much better, because it true, eighties movie, mojo, each pulls out the
[SPEAKER_00]: The weapon that the other had forage for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they begin fighting with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fight, but this is again, this is where Fulgram's fall starts to move into the tragedy piece.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Fulgram goes to the swing down on Ferris.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ferris grabs the sword, because Ferris does have iron hands.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he crushes the sword in his hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he crushes it, because it's a power sword, he explodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the explosion knocks them both across the room, you know, eighties, eighties movie, maybe we'll animate if you want, if we're more for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as Brad mentioned earlier, Fogram's got some kind of super healing capabilities.
[SPEAKER_02]: So while they're both unconscious, Fogram just gets up and walks over and Ferris is lying unconscious in the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fogram picks up the hammer that he built for Ferris and goes to kill him with it and he can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: While he's got it above his head though, the demon blade is screaming in his ear, kill him, kill him, kill him, and phlegm can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just drops the hammer and walks out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, when he walks out, he does have his personal guard murder, all of the people.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone on the bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't kill Ferris, everyone else dies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he gets on his ship, leaves, and it has his ships turn and just destroy the fleet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not kill again, not killing Ferris, but wrecking his fleet and heading back to go hang out with horse.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, as you can imagine, this is not that Fogram now is growing pretty quickly down the path of chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we've been talking about him for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk a little bit about not just him, but the people around him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because when they primarke, everyone falls differently, but this whole legion falls.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we talked before.
[SPEAKER_00]: And an awesome play.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's a lot of steps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, this is two.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is actually two books.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the book full room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's the second book of the Horace Heresy, whose name I'm escaping me right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's the second book.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's where this a lot of this stuff takes off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, at any percentage, it's a first segment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've got a little bit more to go, but the play is pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going to tell everyone honestly read the first five books of the horrors here.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just, if you read the first, they're all hit a lot of the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're all out of the park.
[SPEAKER_02]: The storyline is exciting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Read the first five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just don't ask me, like, people always ask, which book is this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just read the first five, because a lot of this is just memory bouncing between those books.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, so when back to the Space Legion, that's basically a Legion itself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jean-Seed is more than just genetic coding to a primarck.
[SPEAKER_02]: They actually share a piece of the soul of their primarck, because as we learned from Correx in the Warp, primarck aren't humans who are made super.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are actually warp entity.
[SPEAKER_02]: brought together and then crafted to appear human by the emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they really are.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when you do a gene seed from the primarck, it actually is effectively warp that you're putting into the space marines, which creates an attachment.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what this does is that when a primarck gives themselves over the chaos, that part of them then seeps in to all of their legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't always convert them over instantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It did in the case of the thousand songs, but it gives the chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would make sense, but it gives chaos away.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now the influence of slenash is able to spread throughout the region.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, they see it throughout the whole region, uncontrollable jealousy towards each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like one by one, the most loyal and exemplary members of the region, start touring the slenash worship, but it's done in these ways where it's always an extreme.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to get to someone in a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the first thing I would talk about is that with this transition, it's not just with the space Marines who are switching over.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's anyone even in the presence.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this and this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're in remember, all of the space marine legions have all of the helpers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have everything going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Horace has an entire ship full of artisans.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got painters, musicians, full-grown hats, full-grown hats, full-grown hats as a bouncing around.
[SPEAKER_00]: But these people
[SPEAKER_00]: become entranced by slenish.
[SPEAKER_00]: And entranced, I think, is the actual right word for this because they can't think of anything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: She makes slenish as awesome at this because what happens is the road to corruption, they start focusing on that thing that they can achieve and slenish kind of dangles the carrot of, you should only be thinking about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can make it so that you can do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about it because this is really well drawn out in the books, as I was going to spend time on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Serene DeAngeles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Serene was a painter that Fulgram brought with him on the Great Crusade.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Serene was told to make a giant painting for Fulgram, for his main room, whatever you want to call it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, be told what it is though.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was told to make a masterpiece for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a line from the book on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It isn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: They went, we need you to do a painting for Full Girl.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you need to make a masterpiece.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she had writer's block for like twenty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she was present when they invaded Lair or Lairin and actually walked through the great temple there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not a space Marie.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is indescribably corrupted by soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, boom, done.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm now on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she gets, and being there, she sees the very heavy air quotes beauty here goes back to her studio and gets to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she, before she's where she takes all her paints, all her paints, all her oils, and throws them in the garbage.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she begins cutting herself, cutting pieces of herself off and starts using them.
[SPEAKER_02]: As after a while of manipulating herself and cutting herself, she begins murdering other people and using them in this masterpiece.
[SPEAKER_02]: To the point where when this whole thing is done, it is horrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a giant painting of blood decaying body parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: looking at it would actually cause corruption.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you are a man, if you're corrupted by slenesh, it's one of the most beautiful things ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's unveiled to Brad's comment earlier, but at this massive banquet on the eve of the Istvun battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, there we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, there's another person named Kinska.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like Serene Kinska was also present at Lair, but Kinska was a composer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kinska heard the noise.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was playing throughout Lair and copies it and makes that in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone walks into the room and this
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a huge... Yeah, I mean with thousands upon thousands of space marines, you know, just regular army, whatever everyone is in the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this music is blaring.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, most people think the music sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty rough.
[SPEAKER_02]: This stuff is unless you're all the way around.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as it's going, this music, though, actually is a beat that creates a connection into the immaterial.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as it begins, gets to his crescendo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they, they read, they'll say they're, they're leading up to crescendo because of the whole time, there's a performance going on with people are dancing and then at the crescendo, the painting is unveiled.
[SPEAKER_02]: The music becomes insane and home.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's now a flip and now the immaterial has access to the material.
[SPEAKER_02]: noise, this is actually where the first noise marines come in because of the special instrument that actually shot noise, but demonet's up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: They possess people come bursting out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They possess all the people on stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just explode and demonet's start coming in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a massive slaughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the next day is I think I can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fun three or it's fun five was the next day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was one of theest funds.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you to read this book because it's so the whole time full-gram is just sitting there with like a glass of wine just this is the great simply with people are just getting killed around him.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other one I want to spend time on because he's going to come up a lot more in our next cast is Lucius the Eternal.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Lucius is a very because he's a good example of this space marine fall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lucius is a space marine, he was human born on camos, uplifted up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He went through that gene seed process becomes a space marine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he is arguably the greatest dualist in all of the space marine legends.
[SPEAKER_02]: non-prime.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just going to say, yeah, he also gets wrecked a button.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not, not, not in this area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Later he does, not in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: True.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this area.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so like it gets stated that for multiple solar months of engagements, he never took one step backwards.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, he was kind of also a prick.
[SPEAKER_02]: because he's not as the greatest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, a little bit, because he's not just the greatest duelist, he wanted to make sure everyone knew he was the greatest duelist.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in every battle, he would like leap to the front and just to get the most kills, or even just playing with his opponents, like just to get the most like wounds on them before killing them.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't really care what the battle plan was.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was where he wasn't a very good emperor's children, because while being a perfect warrior himself, he undermined them being a perfect legion in their combat.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a lot of transible for so many casualties.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got a lot of trouble because he was a captain, but he got a lot of trouble because he wouldn't follow the plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was like this liked and dislike guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing that was interesting about him, though, was that Lucius his turn to chaos predates his primal.
[SPEAKER_02]: He starts to go, yeah, he goes well before because his obsession with perfection made him an easy target for slenish and she gets in there pretty well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't really know when he does this, but there's a big flipping.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Lucius was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like all I'm personally long, flowing beautiful hair, great facial features, tall, strong man.
[SPEAKER_02]: At some point, other soldiers begin to comment about, and it's meant to be a compliment that, wow, he has like more kills than he went out, but he's still flawless.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has no scars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most soldiers have scars because you do get shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you do get stabbed, stuff blows up, not Lucius.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lucius was clean.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was amazing to see this person who had almost dainty features, and you're saying, oh, yeah, that's the most dangerous murder in our entire religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's like, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: That guy, Lucius, though rather than taking that as a compliment, takes it as an insult.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he decides that he should have scars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he starts off, like, just really cutting himself with his blades.
[SPEAKER_02]: Deep too, not like a little happy surface.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's shoving it like an inch or two into his skin, like down to the bone in the case of his skull.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, at some point during this period meets Serena before she, you know, goes all the way nuts, but she has begun mutilating herself.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he asks her, well, why are you doing this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are you mutilating yourself?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she says, well, every one of my mutilations is for one of the victims that I've killed to make this great painting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, Lucius has already corrupted, so he's not like, oh, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lucius goes, well, I've killed a lot more people than she has.
[SPEAKER_02]: The people I've killed were a lot more impressive than the ones she said than she said.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I should have some pretty cool marks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lucius goes, she has so, she has so scarves, effectively cast icons all over him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lucius goes into, yeah, he goes from this beautiful figure to he has to all his hair is gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is scarred, head to toe, completely.
[SPEAKER_02]: The part of this, that's funny, though, to me is what happens next with Lucius.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to close this episode out with a couple quick bangs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Istvon III and Istvon V. Very quick recap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Horace, Istvon III was because Horace was ready to turn against the emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a bunch of legions that are not with him, and even within his own legion, he has a bunch of people who aren't really with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he has to go purge his legion, and then he has to take out as much of a chunk of the loyalist legions as he can.
[SPEAKER_02]: He sends Gilman Leeman, the line, and saying, when he is to the other side of the galaxy, because they are the most dangerous for him, but he has to live as he has to do manually.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the first thing he does is fund three, where he's going to purge half of all of his legions.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is still my favorite who he sends down though.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, because it's, you know, he sends the deaf guard down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He sends samples, children down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're looking at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, any sends the six guys from the world leaders that didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the world leaders, they were like, though, there's, it's Eric, Sean, Tim and Bob.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like those, those.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got, you've got a hundred thousand of us are on you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, it's nine hundred, it's ninety nine thousand nine hundred ninety seven of us are totally online.
[SPEAKER_02]: But those dudes, we don't trust those dudes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can send that a little bit of a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: That'd be kind of cool for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just just, just, just kick them down here.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, just one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because because of that, like half the legion is being said down.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these, and these, there's the role leaders.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were just like, we just, they look, man, the bush nails didn't take.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I could take.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'll tell you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But interestingly, one of the people sent down Nistfun is Lucius, because despite being covered in scars that he inflicted on himself, one that had like their chaos symbols,
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, we can't cover it again.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we can't trust it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's best friend is Salt Harvits who is the inverse of Trader.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no one's more loyal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So till the very end.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Lucius is down.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is stuck down there on Esteban when the whole battle breaks out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the battle comes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like you would come like we've all said before,
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to bomb them from orbit, but then angron screws that up, so then they have to manual combat.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the important part about Lucius at this moment is Lucius gets an a note effective from chaos saying, if you will kill your brothers, you can rejoin your legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he goes, okay, and slotters, thirtieths start instant, and then walks over to the chaos line says,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you guys now, and they all go cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he now has joined chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you like also joined a while ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it looks on the way I had to do that, but totally cool with it, but don't why I had to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's finish up with the big one, which is East Von V. So in East Von V, Salamanders, the Ravenguard and the Ironhands arrive, and they're there to kill Horace in Fulgram.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was just those two, I'll be in the new, yeah, it was just those two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and angron, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and angron, and they're, they have, they're supported, unfortunately, by the nightlords, the iron warriors, alpha legion, and the word bears, supported and heavy air quotes.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the battle, Ferris leading his iron wars comes upon Fulgrim and tells him, I'm here to kill you this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they begin fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: But as their fighting, Fulgrim starts smiling.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ferris, by the way, is beaten the crap out of Fulgrim.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Ferris, Kevin, well, why are you smiling?
[SPEAKER_02]: At that moment, the trap is sprung.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ferris looks around and watches as his legion is just demolished by traders.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're being shot at from behind from everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is now the battle is lost effectively.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's looking around watching just like horror as his legion is destroyed.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other legions are destroyed and seem pure traders need turns to full-groom.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's just that he just is like that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he attacks and starts beating the ever-limbing crap at a folder.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, beating him into the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just as he's about to give a fatal blow, Fogrum just gets up and draws the demon blade, because he's even fighting with a different sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he parries with the demon blade.
[SPEAKER_02]: He takes the demon blade and it's slashes, ferrous across the chest, and ferrous drops.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not dead, but he's harmed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Fulgram is at this moment, picks up the demon blade to kill Ferris and has that moment of pure clarity, where he looks around and sees the battle and sees what's happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's looking at how he can realize he's about to kill his best friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: all of the regions are killing brothers everywhere this is this is the inverse he remember this was he was one of the most loyal members and he's looking around at this and as he's surveying at his hand begins to move because the demon blade is just like I'm having enough of this and his and the sword cuts theruses head off and philgram just stands there above his decapitated best friend and is just in the sorrow
[SPEAKER_02]: And so he's broke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, phlegrum falls to his knees basically in tears as to what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the demon inside the demon blade tells him, don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can release you from all of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just say the word.
[SPEAKER_02]: So phlegrum says the word.
[SPEAKER_02]: And upon that word, phlegrum is now his soul is sucked out and goes into the demon blade.
[SPEAKER_02]: The demon takes over his body.
[SPEAKER_02]: And phlegrum is now imprisoned within this sword for now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the demon has taken control of his body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody gets possessed more than four.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where we're going to break because next week we're going hard into the emperor's children, the horse heresy, which they do a lot of and then some of the post.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is going to end up being a three-part cast, guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was, you know, this one went, we're not even, we got the S-to-Bon five in over.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been two to a cent, almost an hour and fifteen hour and twenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say we're not even a demon prime.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so we're not, you know, we have a lot to get to with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it might be a three-part caster.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have also, we just, I mean, let's take a look at Fabius Bile.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, man, probably with three-parter, but it's actually pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And especially with the new codex coming out, I'm excited about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, like, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Next week, we're going to be doing a bunch of full-groom getting super weird that is Legion getting super weird, including more stuff with Lucius, some stuff with Fabius Bial, where these guys really embrace Lanesh barred.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but until then, this is John Barsati and Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_02]: See you next week.
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