[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K. Lorcass, me John Barsani and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: On today's cast, we'll be taking an actual lunch more serious as far as we can be serious versus the last episode, dive into Astramilitarum.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a real guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're still having some of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why you keep getting that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually bothering you quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, people who are newer to the lore, they actually might, you know, that's why you're the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: People who are newer to the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: True.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they were look up to the O Astramilitarum,
[SPEAKER_00]: For all of you, it was Imperial Guard for thirty years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they made Asthma term as we learned the last cast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But today we'll be covering what they are, where they come from, how they function some of their key units.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next week for those of you who work, I know we are looking for is next week we're coming into the key regiments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, onto Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: So last week, we had a little bit of fun messing around with the Imperial Guard uplifting primer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And but today we're going to dive into what the guard actually are really how they functioned or purpose in the universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still going to be us messing around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's let's let's give it a little bit of the overview, though, because we we make for the Imperial Guard, but the Imperial Guard are
[SPEAKER_01]: as much as I like orcs are the Grots.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have the Imperium without the Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, space marines are the poster child of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, as awesome as the chapters are, as awesome as you're going out with your blunnages or space wolves, your salamanders, you can't have the Imperium without the Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: They
[SPEAKER_01]: make everything happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: They garrison the cities.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the navy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, those are different.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they're doing different.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you were to combine, this is a key thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were to combine the imperial guard with the imperial navy, it would be probably ninety five percent of the imperial fighting forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just they do everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're on the planets.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're making sure that things don't get invaded, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're taking care of the day to day.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are also a lot of planets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're not technically the police force, but they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the guard are the most universal and the most kind of, in some ways, I'm actually the most powerful force of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, those are most numerous, yeah, because the numbers are exceptional.
[SPEAKER_01]: We also just don't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Half of it, we've joked about it last, last cast, but the Imperium, while we have tons people who yell at me, we have some of the best milit strategists and brilliant strategists in the entire galaxy, but
[SPEAKER_01]: our general play is to go, hey, we'll just throw bodies at you until the woodchipper jams.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll kill you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll break the woodchipper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've done that for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the truth is that the Imperial Guard numbers at least in the trillions.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably more admirable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But where the guard get interesting to me is that they're also not a single force.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're multiple forces under a banner of Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same with the spacers.
[SPEAKER_00]: The spacers are not all spacers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got nine legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they are different.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the thing is, I do want to touch into this because we're going to touch a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in the next cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guard are very weird about this because you have the general catch-all.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're an imperial guardsman.
[SPEAKER_01]: But certain divisions of stuff are very aus versus them kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there are regiments of the guard who were, and we're diving to kind of like how they interact with it, because we'll jump ahead way massively to a quick, we're touching this later.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Imperial guardsman from one planet doesn't serve with an Imperial guardsman from another planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get the, oh, they serve with those from your home.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're very long.
[SPEAKER_00]: How's it kind of weird?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, get that later.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, diving into this though, while we do talk about this, the Imperial Guard are, as we said last week, very regimented within their command.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, their command structure is designed to be decentralized, but can be turned to centralized.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, each individual regiment is under
[SPEAKER_00]: you report to the most senior officer that exists underneath you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if Lord solar shows up, you listen to the solar.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if Lord solar is not there, you just keep taking down until you hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is crazy because we've multiple cast we talked about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a real thing in the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Imperium has layers upon layers upon layers, wait for it upon layers of bureaucracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, the imperial guard does a good job of getting shit done.
[SPEAKER_01]: As bad as the imperial is in responding to things because you have you have to go through legitimately hundreds, if not thousands of middle people to get something done, guard just get shit when they find out something has to get done, they do just
[SPEAKER_00]: Can it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, guard just get it done.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way they do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the imperial guard are the overwhelming military arm of the imperial.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is because one of the pieces that we don't talk about in Forty-K because we don't play space battles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, there is an imperial navy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, a lot of the combat that does occur within the imperial McCurses of the space.
[SPEAKER_00]: As we talk about the tyranny guests.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the vast majority of the battles occur, planet side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is, it's just the way they did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because we're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: why we we joke about it with exterminates and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every planet is a resource.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't want to lose valuable resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it is critical and every
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about to maybe not net crons, but effectively every race, whatever faction in the galaxy in the game, is competing for that level, some level of resource.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, you could own the space, but it, you know, just like in American warfare on Earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: owning the sky is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes owning the land easier, but you still have to go take the land.
[SPEAKER_01]: You still take the land.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, somebody has to fuel the sky.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and so that's where the Imperial Guard are so critical.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the peace that I'd like to point out about the Imperial Guard is
[SPEAKER_00]: There are, in accordance with space marine, somewhere around a thousand chapters.
[SPEAKER_00]: With the successors and what do you guys, as a hazard, and each of them are meant to number only at a thousand of these.
[SPEAKER_00]: Woo, woo, space, woo, space, woo, space, what's happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: But this gives you about a million space marine.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is about what the entire, with the entire period has.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know there's at least one trillion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Minimum, one trillion of pure guardsmen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for those of you who don't know how to do that math in your head, just I didn't have to look it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: One trillion is a million times one million, which means for every space marine, there are one million guardsmen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which means that the space rains could get defeated by guards, by pure jumping on top of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: or by shooting the, the Terminator with their last rifle as a rifle of disgust.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would much rather have a Terminator die to a bunch of dudes holding him down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do a squad of back week.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the biggest squad you're doing guard?
[SPEAKER_00]: Fifty, it's fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So squad of fifty guardsman charges the single terminator as wins by week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as opposed to shooting with his effectively comically pies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is going to release many, many, many weeks after, but see Eddie Hall versus two people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's gonna be amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, this, but that is why the Pure Guard is so critical.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are, there's the most numerous force, and you want to win, you bring the numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they are the most numerous force in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, even it's, nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: There and it's.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there and it's have the numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not in total.
[SPEAKER_01]: There and it's have high flights.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we saw them now, they're probably here and it's you really don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: There and it's short.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Over under four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take the over.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a safe bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for those of you not in the US, you're going to miss this joke, but yeah, I bid one dollar.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's start with kind of the first key pieces where the guard come from historic.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, date back throughout history.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, technically, you could argue that they pre that no today, but
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really, we don't have a lot of written down the age technology, but, you know, during the great crusade, the emperor formed the imperial army.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll call that on start.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm going to go before that, though, because in the dark age of technology and the japsty, all of those, we have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before we had Marines, we had imperial guards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you had soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm saying is that the term imperial guards won't be like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we just go with the distinction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's say we had a split.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm splitting some hairs here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying we had a force that conquered the stars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we had it well before.
[SPEAKER_00]: The current version of the imperial guard was originally called the Imperial Army and the Emperor did this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And interestingly,
[SPEAKER_00]: What we were just discussing with the impure guard out number of the space Marines, why if I am million to one, actually post the conquest of terror, they didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you think about the emperor made twenty legions, two of which didn't make it, each of them was five or ten thousand.
[SPEAKER_01]: It, you can argue those all the time, because we went certain chapters and they're
[SPEAKER_01]: in their actual codex is and I'm people are going to yell at me because there's a cannon now, but I'm talking about the original corrects and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the original codecies said different numbers.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of different.
[SPEAKER_00]: My point is you might have had.
[SPEAKER_00]: two hundred thousand, you know, there's more than that we have.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because you had fifty thousand originally with the Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're probably looking in the millions of space marians.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the Emperor set out with the galaxy and the whole idea was my space marians are going to conquer my galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is is that it's a way way different now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because originally, the Imperial Guard was just supposed to be the support structure for Marine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was thinking about this, and I realized it actually makes sense because any Abelbodied, because he's coming out of terror, any Abelbodied person who could fight, who he could turn to a space.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: He turned to a space Marine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Imperial Guard at this, Imperial Army is going to be made up of all the people who
[SPEAKER_00]: somehow slipped through the cracks enough to be old enough to not be qualified to be a space marine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is so crazy though because the original and this isn't a guard's thing, but this is oh, it doesn't work here.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but it's a wild thing of the Emperor's original plan was to continually just turn out space marine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was just his fighting force and then we became so big.
[SPEAKER_01]: things happen, cough, cough, or a ceremony and other things, but we, we needed just people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we got, we had an excess of people and they went, well, let's just use that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, some of the stuff I was reading is talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: The second edition code X, so we were getting one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, they're quoting the second edition code X. That's thirty years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's getting this is getting, you know, pre internet.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, what's happening, what you're talking about is that as we expanded out, like I said, a space marine as we discussed.
[SPEAKER_00]: has to be between the ages of like, ten and fifteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you cut, we start to conquer planets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, you know, you're conquerors sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's like, that's a, those are one off spread.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, why would you use a technology?
[SPEAKER_00]: You made the, of course, the great core.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is so many times again.
[SPEAKER_00]: to just make a superrified course.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not with a veteran elite fighters already.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not being weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes way too much sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's here and taken.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go, heretic.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what ends up happening is over time, these as the impairments spreads out, they start just recruiting from these worlds, more and more soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by recruiting somewhere volunteers, others were volunteered
[SPEAKER_00]: just managing the S to a D and same result.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tribute.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the original job in the Imperial Army though was just it was a support force.
[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent they would transport the Marines around and then after the Marines conquered a world they would oversee the Imperial compliance transition that was their job.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were bureaucracy with guns.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all they were for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they would, they would terraform, they would build the factories build the houses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they were ever destroyed the false idols too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, I mean, they, they were clean up duty though.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were a support staff clean up duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did every, this is the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Guard were doing all the things they do now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they also do a million things more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but one of the things I do want to point and put this out, I find this incredibly funny that at this stage, the guards, one of their key roles was the destruction of false idols to make sure that the imperial truth was fully adhered to and modern era they are doing the
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm rising up all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, no, no, no, we are worshiping it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the horse heresy happened, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: So half the space and rain is turning to chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a big deal because we're also not churning out space rains.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because while we have successful chapters and stuff like that, what we were talking about earlier is a big deal because originally the Emperor's plan was just, I'm going to just put Marines in a t-shirt cannon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we kind of are now, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, the primary.
[SPEAKER_01]: The phone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go kill him in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, he of a, kill him in for the win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, Brad, join us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bobby, he's still a tactical player.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the thing is, is that he just went, the original plan was just to make all of the Marines and do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we using guard?
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to talk about what we're doing with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because guard are doing what Marines used to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: and spoiler alert, you need a lot more guardsmen to do what Marines are doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do have a million more than one Marines that helps, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it still sometimes takes about that many to take care of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about post-heracy when it happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: As we discussed before, the Gilman came in and created a second founding.
[SPEAKER_00]: What they realized was that space-movings were specifically were incredibly dangerous because a space-marine faction, if it turned against the emperor when it was fifty-thousandish.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just a fact that they had brains.
[SPEAKER_00]: It every single legion of Marines came with.
[SPEAKER_01]: their section of the Imperial Navy, their section of the Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was a huge force.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they all owned them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't the Imperial Navy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Salamanders and their ships and guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't Imperial Navy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was our shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're cruising
[SPEAKER_01]: with our stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a gentleman broke all this up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea of the breakup of the space Marines was to make it so that if someone did turn trader or turn against the Emperor, which is the same thing, they wouldn't be able to muster a force large enough to really threaten the Empire.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did the exact same thing though with the Imperial Army and broke it up into a few different pieces.
[SPEAKER_00]: First, the Imperial Army was split into the Imperial Guard, the Imperial Navy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I decided the concept you actually really like a lot, but they wrote down what was that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to make sure that if an Imperial Navy, for example, turned against the Emperor, yes, they had a bunch of very powerful spacecraft that could do a lot of damage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they eventually again, hey, did anybody gas up the ships?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cannot reinforce.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're bummer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, eventually you'll wait about the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: If an Imperial Guard were to turn against great, you got this planet under your control.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, just this thermonatus you and the problem is solved.
[SPEAKER_01]: And or we'll just let you be on that planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just never leave ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, as we said before, planets get real focused.
[SPEAKER_01]: Real quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys are making tires, not not food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see how it works out for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to me in three weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be upstairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just call.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're here.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other piece that actually really changed though is that we haven't dove and lied into the con of post-Herosy space marine factions yet, which we will in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: After the Horace Harris, a lot of this baseman chapters became very independent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something more than up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was just what I say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Independent feels like you said, my kid sometimes does bad stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your kid, massacre it and you talk your section.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, when we say independent, there's space wolf independent, and then there is like, you know, ultra marine success or chapter independence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, they're very.
[SPEAKER_01]: But some just went, I'm gonna do what I think the Emperor would have told me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the original argument was, I can make this argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: I talked to the Emperor not that long ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was there when I stood next to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I ain't brunch with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you what he would have said.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was there when he said stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this creates a problem, though, for the lords of Tara, who Brad's a huge fan of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause it's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it becomes an issue where they realize they couldn't actually control its basement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because what do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you tell a total of space, marine facts, but the fact actually, hey, go and destroy this planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they say, yeah, if I do in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, you know, and also the loads of terror did find out several times now that if we push too hard on a particular space main chapter, well, they'll just turn around and come back to us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They start coming this way and not, and they're not signaling, they're coming in peace.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're not coming for a chat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is what they needed to do was build out the kind of their own force to handle the day-to-day problems of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, small scale invasions.
[SPEAKER_01]: But small scale invasions, small scale defense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rebellions here and there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, again, we're dealing with
[SPEAKER_01]: cast incursions on a pretty all the time basis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes small, sometimes big.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have huge great stories about the big ones, but small shits happening kind of a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we broke this guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the space springs are spread out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an entire galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got maybe a thousand.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also we have less marines than we are rich.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like when we say less.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, elements now making more of it just said we have just last we don't have giant legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gilman's making more, but we were still cutting half right minimum half not to mention all the all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's anything that all that's done, but let me fifty percent of the space marine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, actually this
[SPEAKER_00]: don't exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're here and saying, but I'm saying it, but the lilies that are left, they got split and there is less of them total.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have less of a police force.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just an act.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have just we don't have enough action monkeys to do things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: How am I going to cleanse to objectives?
[SPEAKER_01]: I need more stuff for those who don't play the game that makes no sense, but that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we moved into this stage, the creation of the of the guard will be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like the Space Marines, the Imperial Army was devastated by the Horace Harrison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trillions, quad joins are dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've only earned a chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a real big thing though.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about in the novels, more power to everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: The horse racing novels are very nice, but they really don't do the Imperial card death toll.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is catastrophic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what we talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like somehow it's only space marines there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The cards have been gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rule loading weapons there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's like, what's happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, this kind of sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is anybody going to record my noble sacrifice?
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was you existed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if I yell my name out, don't bother.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the new structure kind of comes down after everything gets set up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it starts off at the lowest form is a planetary defense force, which if you ever unread it, so my dad, he will call PDF.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's planetary defense force.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the biggest thing about this, this is where again, imperium is bureaucracy upon bureaucracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is when we got into the
[SPEAKER_01]: And it sounds mindless and stupid when we did, we just did the cast about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is why they did it because they wanted to not have even the ability for rebellion or a traitor to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the planetary defense force is kind of is your most basic form of military.
[SPEAKER_00]: Depending on the planet, again, if you're on Kadia, it's very different than some agri world on like the Western, the left side of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to piss the guard people off, unless you're a regimen of note, most of the regimens are hot trash.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they're all put on guard duty for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm saying, like, if you're on a boon, you know what I mean, you're coming up exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You probably stink at what you do and you're going to get crushed when the necrons and the ternids show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you are that planet that's listed as the checkmark planet in the stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just saying there's more not there's more trash in Piero Guard than there is good in Piero Guard, but there's a ton of good in Piero Guard because there
[SPEAKER_01]: Legion there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so let's talk about the structure, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: The structure is the challenge of the Imperial Guard is talking about, I mean, we say, in many of them trillions spread across a million worlds.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so many.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way even with the astronauts to logistically control this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what they do is they create localized control.
[SPEAKER_00]: The PDF, the planetary defense forces is governed by the planetary governor until shit gets rough and which is they can all hand it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you read any black library books and balls of planetary governor, they stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all cowards.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all cowards and they're incompetent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're more incompetent than they are cowards.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is at that moment, you know, the pure governor can see control, which is, this is, if you read the, the books, discuss some of the books quite a bit where they then don't see control.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then inquisitor shows up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And inquisitor sees control.
[SPEAKER_00]: Things get solved pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the PDF is, is your most basic force.
[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, the PDF feeds the imperial guard and the plight authority defense force will become an imperial guard, which will cover kind of it more on that in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But once the imperial guard is mobilized, they then they then report to whoever is the highest commander.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did shit on this a little, but let's give him credit, though, because we said it in the last, and I mentioned it a little bit in the beginning here, the imperial guard is
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big deal on this because, as again, the Imperium has just a crushing amount of bureaucracy and because of the way that it was set up, good job, Adi J.
[SPEAKER_01]: the way that it's set up, they don't, they just skip all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And go, we need something to happen right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: We, we're already have everything ready and they also aren't
[SPEAKER_01]: easily good at going.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a planetary defense force.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go buy and take it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a fighting on the imperial.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the imperial if you have a plan that's say, you know, short on food or having a problem, they'll likely starve to death because by the time he gets to World of York, so every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because forty seven people have to stamp.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if I need to move.
[SPEAKER_00]: a hundred thousand troops from one side of the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're like a hundred million.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's done almost instantly.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a very little effort.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a design.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of how it designed.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's let's let's talk about like how a regiment is created.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a first off.
[SPEAKER_00]: The biggest made up of regiments.
[SPEAKER_00]: A regiment is a single quote unquote founding.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's its own independent fighting force.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pulled from a single planet or system depending on where you are, which is so weird because a lot of people are considered to be from whatever the whole world is, but it could be a home system.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people have never even seen that world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're all said, but you are from there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you were in a hide, you didn't see very much anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how would you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And this actually, I like this a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of those areas of writing where it's, this makes a lot of sense because if you're talking about a galaxy of a million worlds, some of these worlds are ten thousand years apart from each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: your accents, your costumes, everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be different.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a soldier from a high world or an anger world or an ocean world, your background's different, how could you train them all together?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why bother?
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you can't even understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, one of these places don't have water.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, on the planet itself, they get issued water, you know, from a tank.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're trying to explain how your agro world is full of oceans, that doesn't even make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we think about, like, watching a movie about a World War II and more at the US, where you have a soldier from California, San Diego, soldiers from New York City, they don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's that level of diversity's nothing compared to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This so this helps.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also helps to is now you're able to kind of through a commissar or a priest.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll demotivate these soldiers based on like protecting their home roads.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have more of their beliefs, their traditions, their everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: They motivate them by the things that are important to these people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a huge deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because one of the things the Imperium is fantastic at is going two things.
[SPEAKER_01]: One finding the common things that you believe in that you love and the second is getting everybody to hate the same shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say one side note here is that you also may find yourself as a commissar overseeing an entire regiment of historical members.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: This does happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oops.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, you did a bad job.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when you have to shoot your head.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, when we talk about the regiment, the regiment comes from what's called a raising.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Imperial Governor will call for this, a raising of a regiment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's usually done to handle a new threat for a warfare that's just opened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas, as we said before, in a space-marrying founding, it's, it's bigger than this status-based Marines.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are each their own
[SPEAKER_01]: wildly different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the everyone, everyone done in a raising is their own.
[SPEAKER_00]: So each raising is like, you know, the Canadian one, fifty-second is the hundred and fifty-second raising of possibly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they, they're, it's so weird of this because some of the raising are small and some are just ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the kids are the ones that don't kid you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, the Katie once are so big always.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, those those things are just always huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is important because it is a one time event.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when a guard regiment either survives or all die, there's no reinforcement with the exception.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's Australians.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think are the only ones that can.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a little bit up until the petition codex where they do they add sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will, but they just grab people.
[SPEAKER_00]: that are there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can't we're in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had to read the code.
[SPEAKER_00]: I read four code.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't reinforce per se, but what they do is they take destroyed other.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they don't, that's what it changed by Codex.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the, that was the original.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was third, second, third, fourth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So second, so you had second edition, they would, this varies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, I had to read it, that, that, that, that, that asked ton of Codex to get this right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, there was some weird stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the third edition Codex, they would reinforce it based off the offspring of the soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: which just they never expected what in third and fourth you could adopt destroyed you destroys the regiments could be just absorbed into another and then this has been moved around time at that so depending on your edition twice what I call it and it's a lore cast so depending on what edition of the lore you actually were able to either
[SPEAKER_00]: recruit from elsewhere, so it's post-fifth edition, they could be combined with another regiment of the same homeworld, but not always.
[SPEAKER_00]: Effectively, the appearing would say, sometimes you just get guard duty, sometimes they'd be screwed together.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're a regiment, effectively got destroyed, most of the lore
[SPEAKER_01]: you could, people would just kind of take you in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but only if they, if they shared the same home world, that's, that's where it gets a little bit loopy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a whole section where it was like, oh, no, they never reinforced them, but they reinforced themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be off of their own offspring, or it could be whatever planet that they've conquered.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a bunch of weird things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just don't want, I don't want people hearing us say something and it's like, well, you didn't like, well, I heard such and such.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're both true.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has to change quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And W on post-fifth edition makes more sense where they would sit there and say, Hey, if your regiment lost eighty percent of its fighting force.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to make, you're basically useless in the battlefront.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it has merged you in with these guys lost fifty percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, can you just consider the main door kind of force and they just absorb people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's sort of, okay, so it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But one of the piece that actually is kind of cool about this is once a regiment leaves their home planet, they never return.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, John, I thought you were supposed to be able to retire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, you retire onto a new world, which I mean, honestly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what it's written in, this is true, so it's just kind of, if you survive in your service to the emperor, what'll happen is you'll be sent to settle one of the new worlds that they have conquered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which, if you're from an agree world, maybe kind of sucks, but if you're from a high world, never going back as kind of a win.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: We joked about it, but like serving guard duty is the best thing from here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you gave me the chance to fight neck rounds and cast space Marines or chill out on a very boring outpost, I'll take that outpost every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's an outpost.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like the northern fringe.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that that's the yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the raising of Imperial Guard is going to vary by the need.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the dead minimum you have to do is ten percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: So ten percent of the planetary defense force is to be given over the Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, the Imperial Guard picks who for obvious reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is very official, though, because there's a lot of massive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was able to say, there's a lot of times if if shit's going down, I don't know when
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Katie, Katie, uh, when McCrag was getting invaded by Ternans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ball, ball, ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Devastation group person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ball took one hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent of says literally went, can you walk?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, still, we'll, we'll load you up with a gun and wheel you around.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Grandpa, let's do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are tear and it's coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying the ten percent is like the reading out of the manual.
[SPEAKER_00]: The percent is the minimum, but it's also ten percent in a this is an addition to all the other stuff you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ten percent of your planetary defense force goes to Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred percent of your planetary resources go to the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all of your cycles go to the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, boom, boom, boom, boom.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll cover systems.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't even include whatever the Marines decided they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Marines might show up in like all those children are.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be to be found, Marines are semi-dex about this because they don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're like, we have all these other things that we have to, you know, give to the Imperial Guard, this and that and the Marines go, okay, I'm gonna do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why my brain went there, but has division of the Imperial Guard driving a window of span.
[SPEAKER_00]: This space was driving a window of span around just picking up children to become space Marines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because in all of the law, the Marines go, oh, that's cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we're taking whoever we want.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are all ours.
[SPEAKER_00]: So once the appeal card comes to recruit the planetary force, it will vary a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a better thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So additionally, when they come to take it, you can also, you can volunteer.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you talk about Katie for example,
[SPEAKER_00]: When the imperium is saying the Canadian, well, when the imperial guard is saying the Canadian planetary defense force, we need the guardsman for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Katie is hard for those who want to raise their hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's let's back to the Katie has what, ninety nine percent volunteers show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're on Cadia, you're served on Cadia, and you might get shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to get beaten up as the least of the things that you have.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just doing this either way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you kind of see this come some movement throughout it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like if you have a high level.
[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, I plan it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's in an active war zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: The people who volunteer for the Astro Millatarm are all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same if you're actually heavy at a depth of this story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're at a high level of like really belief in the emperor, you're a lot of volunteers.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we talked about that in the sisters' room, because you have to think that chapel worlds and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The world's with the big, the theatres.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they all want to go fight for the amp.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about a hundred percent at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other one, though, the world's due pushback.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the second, nice and a horn novel, where there's a rebellion during the raising and pretty sure it's the second.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to end up being chaos if you discuss course it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was still chasing the same guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the issue is that the imperial citizens do understand that joining the imperial guard is a death sentence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, it's at least a, I'm never coming home sentence.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a death sentence.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's best best case scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't get to come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're in a high world, as we said, maybe you just want to get out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're in an angry world, it's really something that's what you do get is you do get rebellions, the result of some of these foundings because that's what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: which gets smoked so fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is this is the one of the up many reasons commissars exist because you do have a good percentage of the imperial guard are pressed into service.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the combination of inquisitors and the commissars who I think are both have a blackboard bent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who can kill more people when they who's better at shooting Eric in the back of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, both of them do this really effectively will be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_00]: So once this is, once the raising has been completed, the regimen is officially formed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So given a name, which is the number of the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it gets a name and a number though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, I do laugh the number and this is, this is canon will get recycled.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what I favorites is the fifth edition code X is the Vintor, a hundred and twenty-third regimen who have been wiped out nine times in a decade, but continue to fight for the emperor, constantly wiped out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, you know, I'm not even going to be someone's going to be like a super huge fan of that particular one, but those guys have never won.
[SPEAKER_00]: They know what about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, every they keep remaking them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they've got to smoke every single time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that means every single year, a hundred percent of the original size.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they made a new one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're currently on the newest one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when we say nine times in a decade, the current ones just were waiting for the Imperial Guard Cardiac to say, by the way, they got wiped out again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what is kind of cool about this to explain some of the tabletop stuff you see.
[SPEAKER_00]: when you do your raising, the homeworld are the ones who do out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're clothing, your weaponry is all provided by your homeworld, which is why you see such different things.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for your style, though, the fighting style from the planet isn't big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as weird as we are, I keep getting the weak, apparently I am now a part of the impair.
[SPEAKER_00]: You and I are sitting in a very, very, very early stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the biggest things is that while the appearance, very, you have to do what we say, they are pretty good weirdly enough because it's a lot of shooting in the head about your local customs and beliefs and as long as you fight under the rules, you can still fight
[SPEAKER_01]: the way you're supposed to fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And where you're own hat and pin and wherever else you want to wear.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big deal because they just let people go cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you're from Catacena, you're from Kenya, you're, they just, this is the way you're doing stuff cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it follows all of the check marks keep doing whatever you're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would we bother?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just easier than trying to retrain you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once this happens, you've now joined the Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: The regiment is inducted, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they then go through some kind of key training.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the first one is actually the basic is, hey, how do you fight in the world of the one you just came from?
[SPEAKER_00]: So remember, these guys don't come from a single planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, Vastoria is cold, which, by the way, just like, no, how is a whole planet cold?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think you, I think you haven't been the half before?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the same thing as hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, or tattooing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't we just living in the middle bit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Every single planet has only one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Topical area that you live in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knows this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was GW written with all or all GW employees flat earthers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they just like they wrote a game that spans a solar system.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's cold, it's cold, the whole planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's desert, the whole planet stands at the same time at the same moment on the entire planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone knows this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was some cool stuff they do talk about in the code x is we're like, yeah, if you grew up in high city, you've never seen the sky or a sun.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's what those are.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're an agri world, how do you get around a city, which and those of us who grew up in cities do we
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why this is second to my head so much, but like an ocean has to feel like the most terrifying thing in the universe, if you go down to a planet and you've never seen water.
[SPEAKER_00]: you land on an ocean world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's a sky never seen that, a sun, that's awful, Bernie.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, there's water everywhere, that's the thing that I wanted every moment of everyday drink.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm surrounded by it, and there's two salty food drinks, or I could drown in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a solid.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you definitely cannot sell it at you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, again, another reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi for a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, it's looks horrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or the biggest one through a toxic planet, you know, you're going to see where a gas mask can look out for space marines who keep this falling over, do the all the poison.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, why did you put this in the garden?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've referred to the space marines as your seven foot tall connects in the whole mine to know if there's a poison present.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have three organs in four different things in their power iron that make it so they shouldn't be poisoned.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that is nothing to do with this past.
[SPEAKER_00]: The very first novel of the entire Horace Heresy is them being poisoned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, they're then kind of taught how to, next thing you do is a garden is taught how to fight your enemies.
[SPEAKER_00]: We cover this last one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is pure propaganda.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's more effectively, you learn more by surviving your first fight with them and going, okay, so that was all lie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is crazy because you find out that just like if you walked into the jungle without any tools, you are slower, smaller and weaker than every single thing in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I won one fight versus a butterfly and then I lost all of the rest of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next butterfly had teeth and poison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a good go well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the next thing they're taught there was tactics.
[SPEAKER_00]: When possible and this depends what world you're coming from a lot of the the imperial guardsman like like the space Marines.
[SPEAKER_00]: tend to come from violence, I'm forgetting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a big thing on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why some of the guards and regiments are so wildly better than others.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just leave that out for whoever thinks whoever's better.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a big deal because some people come in just why I'd have no idea what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's other entire regiments that show up as steel, towed veterans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: This kind of chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cattachins, cattachins, Cadillacans, Cadillacans, Cadillacans are just
[SPEAKER_01]: They're ready to go from, but they've also told been told from day one, as a five year old, you can hit the head and go, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not preparing for war.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was like the creaks and the Vustroyans and that, you know, the other V one, they're more like they're just tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: say that's what that's what the world saw because they have to move relevant to like you'll have some.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can call it a little bit some of the the regiments are offensive some are kind of nicely defensive it's more but then you also just like you get people that were just born into a planetary defense force and you're probably a bomb.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sorry, but you're just probably some kind of entertainment from an angry world where it's like, so what do you do all day?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, sometimes locusts come through and we have to spray for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a terrible day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got stung once.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to go fight a tear in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, it's like the locust at the most basic level.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's singer's significantly suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, you're not going to like what happens next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they're also, of course, that trained on weaponry, which we're going to in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were one that was actually the leaders of that set amongst them, because in a planetary defense force, just like anything else, you've got, you've got commanders, you've got all these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these are then turned into commanders within the Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and the people, these will be called, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: man squads, you know, you're the command squad.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got platoon command squads.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got everything, but it becomes very, they're very rigid and regimented.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because those guys actually get more training because they're trying not just on, but all the normal guards that, but also.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know we joke about it, but like none of this works unless you can operate as a fighting force and quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: because unfortunately, exactly the opposite of what they say in the primer, most every force you find in the galaxy is wildly faster, stronger, better with their technology is better.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to be ready to give orders like aim better run faster and put a sharp point on your rifle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean take aim and move move move are pretty effective.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's such a stupid thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never used it once.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also it makes no sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: How to call for support.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I just love the fact that like there is a rule that just says be better in melee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just be better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hit them harder.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, I don't even know what's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's yelling at me to fight better.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're the worst corner person ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pretty easily, these guys do play a key role in the communication, because as we said, the benefit of guard is they've got incredible numbers, but when you get incredible numbers, it's also a problem, because you have to be able to communicate out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So having effectively, you know who's allowed to give you orders and who isn't, boom.
[SPEAKER_00]: And guard actually in the lore, move pretty quickly in combat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as I'm saying, they do coordinated fire amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're talking, especially it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do it good already, but when you look at the numbers that they're moving, it's if you would look at the bureaucracy of the imperial and then look at
[SPEAKER_00]: How the Imperial Guard works, you would never think it's possible at all because you think they're they just get stuck everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Imperial Guard goes, no, we went to that plan to be told everything there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we instantly moved and we did all these and we packed up, cleaned it up and we're off the next one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go, go, go, go, go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's call it out real quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, the imperialism is written as being a just mind numbing bureaucracy full of constant errors, kind of almost akin to Hitchhickers Guide to the Galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they, they took some of that out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The imperial guard though are never shit on.
[SPEAKER_00]: The imperial guard are viewed as this, you know, despite all the challenges that are the imperial bureaucracy, they always rise the occasion.
[SPEAKER_00]: The numerous heroes throughout them, which, for those of you who don't, is a wide people play imperial guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you do, because it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: was in spite of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's heroes in spite of everything against them.
[SPEAKER_00]: The deck is completely stacked against them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your hero guardman find a way.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're literally smaller, weaker, slower.
[SPEAKER_01]: poorly equipped, and you're where you're come from, the bureaucracy is a giant anchor to anything you want to try to do, and you still win all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really good transition to our next, which is calm as ours.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of like weird, but are they willing to shoot the guys in the back of the head?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sort of, but next time sort of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying that's sort of yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But commasars are the example of what Brad just talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: To become a commasar, it's not because you like shooting your own soldiers in the back of the head.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to be badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, commasars are ex special forces, like the ultimate ex special forces, you know, MI six.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a thing, right, probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, but they're supposed to be the beacons.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not hiding amongst people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're supposed to be these exemplary beacons of the faith of the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they, you can look to a commissar at the irony is actually a commissar is probably a better tactician than your commanders.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that the problem is he's not supposed to give that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he can't tell anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you want to follow your Commissar in battle, you will actually be quite successful.
[SPEAKER_01]: You also probably will live longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, that flip side is, as much of the motivators think the line I put here is they're not the Tony Robin style of a bunch of sneakers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are ruthless fanatics.
[SPEAKER_00]: They firmly believe in the light of the emperor, care only for the light of the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you anyone who doesn't see the light of the emperor as a heretic, and I will execute you instantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: which is no trial here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just, but also these guys aren't doing this with hatred and their souls.
[SPEAKER_01]: They legitimately think that they are doing a good act.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are the hero in the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you turn, if I see you turning in cowardice, I know if I kill you right now that your other soldiers will not be infected with your cowardice and will fight on to victory.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's happening probably not, but whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what they think.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the whole point though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are other pieces that also do make up this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked last time about ministering priests.
[SPEAKER_00]: A very important element that was added in was having someone to motivate the soldiers who are most believing in the ever-light of the emperor, bringing a priest who they're actually kind of cool because they have a giant chainsword.
[SPEAKER_00]: But whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go on my random hold on everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Click the button for Brad random obligatory segue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't stand the ecclesiarchy, but because it's forty k and because the emperor actually is harnessing warp power, these people actually
[SPEAKER_01]: get things done, their fanaticism actually does produce magical results.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So from a lower standpoint, if we can't understand why not canon canon stick here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But priests may actually gain some of the light of the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fusing themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just sucks because like the emperor was, you can't do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I refuse to believe in anything but science.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he's actually powering the people that he hated.
[SPEAKER_00]: I find pretty funny, and we're gonna do a sisters cast, and we'll talk about something the sisters wear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we think about some of these fanatics as being like the guy on TV or YouTube, talking about the power of Christ or whatever religion you're into.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, this dude, this dude's at his mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: But actually, this did fully infuse by the power of the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's doing actual super natural cutting through a demon prince, you're like, and he's also taking last cannons and throwing them off because the light of the Emperor legitimately protected it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a, it's a, it's a, yeah, it's a bit weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's tough to not go.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's got to be something behind this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That dude just did some actual miracles.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other one we talked last time is the engine series, which I do actually want to do a cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to want about the hilarity that is utilizing imperial equipment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been waiting for this line the entire time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go for it, Brad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where let's hope the tell Brad tell the land raiders story.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember from what Codex it was, but it's a long.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a full side of a page.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it goes through all of the ways that the tech Marines, the engine series, go through the litanies of turning on a land Raider.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's give glory to the emperor and all this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's seriously really long.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a long prayer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the prayer, it says, push the start button.
[SPEAKER_00]: the big green star button and then the land radar will turn on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can't do what we've got to do with the full prayer.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a little bit of a mix between a mechanic and an admec priest.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're also not part of the imperial guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are actually part of the admec.
[SPEAKER_00]: And where it gets kind of funny about this is that they report to the the Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to not call us your military arm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's so this engine series saying there is with his with your regiment your waging war.
[SPEAKER_00]: He reports to your commander.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does everything your commander tells me to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, if an STC drive were to be uncovered, he would shoot all of you in the face every single moment and leave that and run back to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And literally immediately, not care about your engagement at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And nothing changes so that's why I like them like me.
[SPEAKER_00]: They fully parted the, the, the Imperial Guard and it doesn't even, it's just, it's just, it doesn't say this in the code X, but it happens in the stories, how you know this from, but if they find something of particular value to the AdMEC,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they actually will turn on you and kill everyone if you're in the process.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they had Mac are very useful, but also.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some, as we discussed last time, some ab humans rolling around.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first one, we'll talk about the O'Gren and we didn't really give them enough credit last time I think that they deserve.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ogrin are again, and I hate the name because they're just Ogris.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are just Ogris.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the biggest thing is is that they're not just property for the win or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they're tough dudes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like this is a big guy you found at the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're big of a space marines.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're big of a custodians.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just saying that like these are just a tough dude from the local pub.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a guy that can just get shot by small arms fire and go
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't even know we're fighting with no shirt on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not wearing anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a very nice rest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their skin is just thicker than everything else is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they give them kind of some of the best equipment, like the slab shields bananas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it no guardsman could lift.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, a lot of space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, because they're holding us hard in front of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are also absolute believers in Imperial quick-cred, like they believe in the Imperial and the Emperor more than the guardsmen does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're also pretty simple and it's closer.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's actually cute about them, I do like is that the guardsmen do eventually fall in love with their Ogrin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, go to this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: They fall in love with their Ogrin, because their Ogrin will just, they will die on their shield, the save all of their guards.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the guards would know it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's a cutting their stories where that knife cuts both ways, where guards will go and save an Ogrin squad.
[SPEAKER_00]: exposed, no good.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we're not letting them die.
[SPEAKER_00]: They really are it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talk like my band of brothers, the Ogrin serve with the guardsmen really as equals.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of just kind of some really great stories in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The one funny note, though, is Ogrin don't like
[SPEAKER_00]: in closed dark spaces.
[SPEAKER_00]: I told you it's dark in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I Brad and I are old enough to have watched the team a bunch with Mr. T, you know, with BA Barakets.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a trick him into getting into airplanes, the hated flying.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know only, let's, twenty percent of you will get this reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_00]: There were some fun rules with O'Grind where they'd get into a transport was a challenge because you effectively have to trick them by saying, hey, your foods in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would go in there and they would shut the door behind the part that's actually quite funny and I forgot which codex it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: They refer to the fact the worst thing due to you can pull as a guardsman is having to be in a transport with the ogre because they don't shower ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're freaking out in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're, it's just, it smells horrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes they try to break through.
[SPEAKER_01]: They try to make the way out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you don't go into the gross part, but I'm just going with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They basically just shit their pants.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It all they do is sitting there with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not in a reference of, I'm scared for twelve foot long shit in the lead shit they're paying us.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a file.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's, that's the other one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it will transition to roundlings often.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's going to ratlings, ratlings for the opposite.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're smaller.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go out to their hobbits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone at GW was like, because, and I say that because the image and I believe it's a second edition code X, you can see they have large hairy feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason to write that unless you're trying to copy
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're hobbits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're hobbits.
[SPEAKER_01]: So things are with child scamping fish.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with weird scumbag vision.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they also felt they also are fantastic cooks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then they did add in a little bit of D&D halfling here because they're also really, they're also thieves.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's some of my brown things really briefly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brown things are, you've got telescopic visions so they're, they can see even through a scope for the name where else can.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can, they're incredibly accurate.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the, that's kind of their, they're, you know, whatever on the table top, their lore bit is actually a lot funnier.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they take everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they loot like crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not only from dead bodies, but also from active soldiers who has something that they see as shiny.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll take anything they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have, if you smoke it in a rallying, you should actually get some kind of benefit because they have all kinds of shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, do you find incredible things?
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's funny about rallying is because they're such good cooks and it's in quotations because they are good cooks.
[SPEAKER_00]: they out of the mess halls, they're actually the front.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they sell all they miss.
[SPEAKER_00]: Be gotten aware.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also forgot the fact that they're drug dealers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they sell.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're they're also drug dealers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I completely forgot about that until I read that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a combat drugs are selling those.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want new clothes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want new needs.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that because of the fact that
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard while the Imperial Guard is highly efficient.
[SPEAKER_01]: Getting your stuff, not as much.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're, if, remember, if you have a broken Las Rifle, you're shot for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But your Las Rifles are already broken and you don't have to fix it because you're not a techseer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because obviously, no one can fix the Las Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you go, you go to the mess hall and you buy a new Las Rifle off of the rattling.
[SPEAKER_00]: More importantly, though, you want to, you know, blaster?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got that, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it, and it, it'll look a whole lot like a last guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you just let him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of high up work.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now you're shooting, yeah, with an actual, not a flashlight.
[SPEAKER_00]: The last of the group, those we discussed back in episode thirty six is our psychers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have sanctioned psychers that sit there, that serve.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in certain arrangements have a shit on more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know where to go if this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like someone who just utilized them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not the, it's not the regiment, I mean, it's it's regiment music, but if it's because they don't come with no reason obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're added later, friends, where you're going, if you're deploying to fight the town, I mean, why Bob?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because a lot of these ones that don't don't agree with psychers will have accidents where, man, our psychers seem to have a real high death town.
[SPEAKER_00]: This cycle is going to come up more than when you're fighting against chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the thing is, is that if you aren't fighting against chaos, you have these guys that are doing weird shit, and it doesn't seem more valuable than just going, could we just shoot up Basilis Adam?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, actually, they call this out.
[SPEAKER_00]: The codex is that a lot of the problem the cycle is, to exactly what you're just saying, the guards and more blame, anything that goes wrong on the cycles all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is kind of the weird thing of like you almost don't want to put, and add the cycles in, because if they get ambushed, they blame the cycles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's just say long story short.
[SPEAKER_00]: Psychers bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: So within the regiment though, you do get a little assignments.
[SPEAKER_00]: People get a move that you as you can guess the Imperial Guard do have different traits that are within it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the main one obviously is just standard troop.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, here's your last rifle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the majority of everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, vast majority.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those, though, that become exemplary become what are now called science.
[SPEAKER_00]: They used to be called stormtroopers, but certain assholes decided to do asshole things with the way they would paint their their stormtroopers and ruined it for all of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also now they're being weird people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why you guys did this crap and boo you you're a horrible person.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, now Sions are blue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Problem got solved and they're trained to get a hot shot last guy which is just a bit more powerful that they're Rangers.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're, they're airborne ranges, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're guys that we need to insert in hot areas and do stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're special forces, special forces, covert operations, all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, this is in the science are a really key part.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, this is where most of the commissars come from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of your commissars come from being science.
[SPEAKER_00]: They transition.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're reviving of these units.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, they put them in hot zones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And remember, you're not fighting random other guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll agree with an upgraded version of a last rifle to fight a demon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you survived.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are now, you were immediately promoted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Commissar.
[SPEAKER_00]: The biggest piece, I think, well, the second biggest, the biggest coming in the second is artillery.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know how much you love artillery.
[SPEAKER_00]: So guardsmen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I totally make sense in a lower standpoint, but in a game standpoint, it just sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're going to get that in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the most powerful elements the guard is their ability to perform siege and the defensive seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Pradaraba would be a, you know, and Dorn would be a big fan of what these guys do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they do it with artillery brokers, cannons, rockets, mortars, and some of these are massive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when brought to bear, they can effectively remove an enemy from the battlefield.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they have to see, they have building sized artillery pieces.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would create use them.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Valhallaens have used them.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's key stories in the lore of them just using artillery barrages.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Valhallaen ADD, they took out an entire orc army with just about a day and a half of rolling artillery barrages.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're basically what they say is the bigger, the better.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll just lob bigger shells at you and just see what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, some things that make this opera obviously are your Basilisk, which is using Earthshaker kind of to shake the ground, the man to core for the rocket launcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, but my favorite one of all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: is a Death Strike missile launcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's my favorite, because I cannot think of something more useless than a tabletop except for the one time it works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's useless than a tabletop, but in the gay air in the lore, you're effectively firing a low-grade new kid people.
[SPEAKER_00]: That on a low-grade new.
[SPEAKER_00]: The low-grade new could be adorable.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the vortex missile that let hits, creates a gap between the material and the immaterial and sucks everything into the immaterial.
[SPEAKER_01]: True.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a low-grade because it doesn't affect that much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Area, all the dance strikes amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please build one and play with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is sad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy your discipline.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it'll be on your shelf collecting dust for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: One little note, though, for those of us who play competitively, when you play the game and build an entire army of artillery, before you start the game with your opponent, apologize.
[SPEAKER_00]: And buy them up here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other one, though, that the guard's been doing use is armor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the main thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We used to have armor company.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what guard are known for.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what they're probably most known for.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's this player.
[SPEAKER_01]: This brings people into the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not talking flat armor, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking a tank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's big tanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, lots of different versions of those tanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of tanks did you bring?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those, all of them, I didn't make a note here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would not call it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the Imperial Guard still uses horses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this is light, you're stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: And no, I'm not talking about it beyond that because it's just too dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: I refuse to acknowledge it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's too stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't tell me that they're genetically modified and armored.
[SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely don't give a crap.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a stupid idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, back to the cool bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Imperial Guard uses two chassis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kymarra and Lee Menross.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a third of being labeled, get to them later.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's too big.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, yeah, it's just a giant thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Kymarra is close.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called the Kymarra.
[SPEAKER_00]: So all of your command vehicles, all your mobile artillery, all of your flamethrowers.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about this?
[SPEAKER_01]: All your, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's, if there's someone inside of it and it's not a Lee Menross, it's a Kymarra.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a rectangle on tracks.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's,
[SPEAKER_01]: And we also pump that, we pump that chassis out like it's, oh, we make it rain.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was intentional or not intentional, but if you, when you build a guard army, as you're building it, you notice, whatever you build, if it's not a Lehman Russ, actually all of them, it's the exact same build.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I build my chimeras, and I build my bass, so it's the first like three or four steps of assembly or identical.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all the same sprues, everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes it cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the one though that we should talk about is the Lehman Russ heard he's a cool primar.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for those who don't know why you might say yourself well, why is the tank used by the Imperial Guard named after a primar of an army that doesn't use tanks?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, look, we found... I love that I'm we and anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm part of everything that's happening there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Space Wolves found the blueprints for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The STC version of the Lehman Russ and because Lehman Russ is the primarck of the Space Wolves, all of the tanks that they used from that base
[SPEAKER_01]: became Lehman Ross tanks, and there is, I think, the actual number is six point eight billion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many versions of Lehman Ross's.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I love about this is that how many times do the space wolves use a Lehman Ross in that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because they don't fit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, and they're also just not the shooting army in the first place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is one of the most customized and versatile guns.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ask any guard player how many Lehman russes they own.
[SPEAKER_00]: And their response to you will be to sigh.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because they realized they're about to tell you a number that you're going to say, that feels like a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in their brain, they're signs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, but I actually don't have enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: It brings three of each time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I only own fourteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: only and I've magnetized them so that they're customizable and I still know I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: So all of the Lehman Rust tanks are pretty goddamn cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they've all got a purpose and we'll go through them right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to kill a bunch of troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Punisher Cannon still brings me nightmares because I brought cord armies and I had to play punishing cannons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Continue.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to kill another tank exterminator is the boss.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to kill big things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank for sure has banana rolls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you got a bunch of troops that are dug in and take a save at AP eleven.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what if they just got a bunch of armor?
[SPEAKER_00]: The demolisher cannon does all of the damage.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just like plasma.
[SPEAKER_00]: Executioner still coolest shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the best looking and it's the rules and tech took up to the big hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but before that was the auto tank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you had to take the executioner, but you just want to party.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't can.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still rocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of rocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got that AP, but it rocks.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rules are fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: It shoots up your tongue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then every one of them by the way, that's just the main gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've also got Melta's Flamers, Bolter's Plaza, whatever you want to add to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Last can and thank you meant to say lions and tigers and parents.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the tanks you could build an entire army of tanks and you used to be able to take.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you still actually can.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like there was just, I mean, there was rules to just bring tanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's they bring?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the code X is coming armored company was cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we both know scenarios.
[SPEAKER_01]: probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so.
[SPEAKER_01]: People miss that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was, it's just good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about the tactics of the Imperial Guard really quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you mean having a lot of dudes?
[SPEAKER_00]: I said tactics.
[SPEAKER_01]: I heard did you not hear me say my first bars?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, having a bunch of dudes?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's you have a bunch of dudes or have even more than a bunch of dudes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are your two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I guess you could go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a bunch of dudes and a bunch of tanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say their weaponry.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is we're not doing a cover of the up of the imprimer anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: The weaponry is not that reliable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, our plasma is exceptionally powerful and terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Props to tell your plasma doesn't blow out all the credit.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the best plasma in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: because it doesn't blow up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, you know, we're creating a curve here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, whose plasma also didn't blow up R's, ten thousand years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, now, fourteen thousand years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they appear a guarder effectively, just a meat grinder.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll sacrifice thousands to kill hundreds because they've got the numbers.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also consider it
[SPEAKER_01]: Acceptable losses, taking holy shit amount of losses during victories.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they, there's not really a challenge for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, oh, we lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many guards have been died?
[SPEAKER_00]: Three regiments.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what did we, what did we win?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we'll talk about those devastating artillery stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, what isn't told after you're like, oh, man, we used our superior weaponry in our artillery to win the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh, yeah, I forgot to mention, we lined up an infinite amount of dudes to keep people away from our artillery.
[SPEAKER_00]: And while we artillery to them all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you artillery your own troops?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not intentionally, but they were standing pretty close the thing we were artillery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they probably shouldn't have stood so close.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were told to pay potato potato.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, they could have run away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't there a commissar nearby?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he would have killed them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, also, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you're asking a lot of questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is, we're going to meet our other comments, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, that seems like a lot of Harris, see this coming out of your mouth right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: The comments are Eric, who is scaling at you right now, which is not a good situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the idea is the battles are fought just strategically with the strategy of we have more people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to use lots of layers in where you down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And before we get thrown on the cross by IG lovers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are few, there are a few in far between.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are some next level tactical brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: For instance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: like that guy was not just throwing people away.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was rushing back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't throwing as many.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let's kill him as much as solar macarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is a tactical genius.
[SPEAKER_00]: He still wasn't like, let's not lose a guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, he was still chucking millions of bodies of people, but he was doing it better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he said that because with the way the guard, when the guard are successful, it's actually pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: What they'll do is they do use these superior numbers to grind down an enemy and then use the artillery and armor to blast the hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wants that hole in the line occurs tens of thousands of guards and go straight through that and just wreck shop.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and remember, these are, the thing about guards when we talked about all the propaganda around them, when the guardsman feel victory is upon them, they fight with a lot more zeal than you're ready for.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, now that being said, guardsman versus tyrannids, yeah, it's just kind of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Artillery, they do have artillery, the other one have claws and teeth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, artillery seems good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is, but we're discussing here, this is why the guardsmen are prevalent in every battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even if you read a black library book or this or that maybe, you know, they might not use guardsmen for gray nights or for, you know, dark angel incursions because
[SPEAKER_00]: It have to kill him anyways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a thing that just feels like a waste of time, but usually when someone's engaging the guardsmen are there, sisters, knights, admeck, all of them, there will be guardsmen present.
[SPEAKER_00]: They may not be the key part of the battle, but they will be present because you couldn't do it otherwise.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I still refused to give them distinction.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guard is still driving all the rides.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very much so.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would also say that the, it's safe to say that the Imperial Guard have fought on every planet in the solar system that we have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: With that, though, I think we'll conclude this one for next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next week, we're going to do a deep dive into the end of the, not all of the regiments, because there's a waste of our time, but the key regiments of the guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Katta Chan, Bustroyan, Katie, you know, and I have some strong feelings about a couple of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you've bred some, yeah, you guys are going to go hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: So with that, this has been John Barsani and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys next week.