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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Forty K. Lorcass with me, John Barcati and Brad Chester.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On today's cast, we're diving into the weaponry used by the Imperium on the battlefront.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, onto the weapons of the Imperium.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, one of the weapons of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_02]: So today, we'll be diving into all the weapons whether carried by troops or mountain vehicles by space marines and pure guards.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to leave out gray nights at night and custos and nights because their weapons are actually really, we'll do some night weapons.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's their weapons are a little bit specific to need.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are the ones that the idea is, this is the stuff of the atmosphere.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a huge version within the nights.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have a lot of specific two nights because they're all
[SPEAKER_03]: vehicle mount and not even just vehicle night mount night mount.
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of this was to talk about stuff that the imperms kind of producing and mass stuff like the sister's carry, the states marine's carry, the guardsman's carry, gray night weapons are secret, you know, custodians.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not that many of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then ad-meck will cover the ad-meck's psychotic weapons and the ad-meck would just because they're out of their damn minds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, sure story.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, last hand's plasma of Melta bolters, but we're going to skip like psychotic melta lances, analysts, auto canons, some of the really specific ones now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's jump in and let's jump into the, we'll start with ranged weapons for all of you people who actually like to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about my least.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had to get my cheetah together for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm really psyching up here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: There isn't another weapon that in the lore is more disappointing of a son than bolt weaponry for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna argue Melta, but we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll get to Melta today.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, maybe, but only because of the hitting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's because of all these, because Melta's you're shooting us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, weapons in the game are low strength, low AP.
[SPEAKER_03]: One damage, I guess if you go heavy bolter, you two damage, but like as a whole, pretty much, meh.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's talk about what a bolt actually is.
[SPEAKER_02]: A bolt weapon is, it's a weird round.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not necessarily a bullet.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a rocket propelled.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an RPG.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because yeah, actually it's a rocket build grenade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Each bolt sits in a shell when the
[SPEAKER_02]: user pulls the trigger.
[SPEAKER_02]: It launches the shell out of the barrel.
[SPEAKER_02]: As it comes out of the barrel, the rocket ignites it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes right towards its target.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then when it senses, it's a smart weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then when it senses, it's entered some sort of not air.
[SPEAKER_02]: It then explodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's a little mini RPG and a gun.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Marines are firing what like they're more than fifty cow.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're dancing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're their handheld weaponry is bananas in the size of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And
[SPEAKER_03]: In the game, it is vanilla of nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It weapons.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the game, it's going to, it's going to wound less than half the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're shooting a rocket, propelled grenade at something.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not even firing a rocket, grenade.
[SPEAKER_03]: You are firing automatic RPG launcher.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes it does damage and sometimes it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: This would destroy the war front of anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what the important thing about bolters is that it is the most diverse weapon the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a small variant, a rapid fire variant, heavy variant, mass fire variants, even titans have them.
[SPEAKER_03]: True, but when I think about the, the bolter effectively stands, let's start with, let's start with with what I call bold, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's the bulk.
[SPEAKER_03]: The bulk gun is,
[SPEAKER_03]: But it is the space marine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is their holy weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a Brad's point earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a twenty five.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about a twenty five millimeter round or one inch in diameter, which doesn't if you like guns, you know, I'm talking about if you don't don't worry about it's on board.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are it's supposed to be this highly accurate round that can blow through armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll blow through a wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll do anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the go-to.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the weapon that the emperor said.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the weapon.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what we are going to take back the galaxy with.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was the go-to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's so destructive that I'm going to give it to each and every one of my sons.
[SPEAKER_03]: All of the Marines are going to have a holy boulder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they're all going to wound on fours if they're lucky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fours?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're lucky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it has no armor penetration whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an explosive round.
[SPEAKER_03]: This thing should be destroying shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's because the hardware's really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: If it had poison, it'd probably kill more people.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It actually, I do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mode on Marines at that point in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think what it does to regards me, which is they save.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's so there's a few different variations of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: First, obviously, the smallest is going to be your bulk pistol, which is just a
[SPEAKER_03]: Bolpistol makes sense to me because effectively what we're saying when we say bolt is effectively it is a standard gun like the term bolt is it's just yeah exactly it just means that you have a stock ammunition you have a magazine you're shooting something yeah so the bull pistol I'll give this to it the bolt pistol lore to table top isn't that much difference because the bolt pistol is supposed to be a significantly
[SPEAKER_03]: Smaller version.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, given the bulk pistol has the same rules as the bolt gun in the tabletop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's with less range.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the bolt pistol holds up to lower the bolt gun fails in his room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because in the lore when you're reading the books, somebody shoots their boat pistol.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're killing this in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we've were read in the inquisitors and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was someone unarmed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the bullpistres is a side arm.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a side arm.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is not a main weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next one is the bolt rifle, which was an advent of eighth edition.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the primaris marines call creates them their larger.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he gave them a bigger gun that actually had a penis time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you intercessors have a significantly better weapon?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not even significant.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's holy in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's wildly different.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: The issue I had with this was like, at one point, the bolt rifle, and there's a new sensor first came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot better.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then all the first born, we got super upset so they had to roll it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, but the bolt rifle is the bolt gun, a little bit larger, slightly higher caliber with better armor penetration.
[SPEAKER_03]: This one actually makes more sense to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that all Marines should have had this the entire time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The rules feel better.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lore feels better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything drives a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe GW found their mojo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thirty years in.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I like this significantly better on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next one, I hate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next one is as much as you go about how the bulk gun is to disappointment on the table top, not compared to the storm bolter.
[SPEAKER_02]: The storm bolter breaks my soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: The storm bolter is two bolt guns strapped together.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an automatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also automatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's with a double barrel automatic gun.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's supposed to be putting out a withering rate of fire.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the old terminators have storm bolters and they come down and they just carpet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every story you read in the lore about a terminator is just wrecking your shop.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's usually because in one end was a storm bolt or other kind of a process or a power fist.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just went, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and wreck everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're just laying down this cover fire of just whatever's over there is getting ruined because we're putting out this volume of fire.
[SPEAKER_03]: And in the game, the storm bolter isn't bad at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: because it does put out a good volume of shitty fire doing nothing, just bouncing off stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, one of the terminators in the Cal, what was it, ten thousand nuclear cults?
[SPEAKER_02]: They killed worlds before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's very, very.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also it's supposed to, a good point on this and the notes with the storm bolter, one of the things that it was made for is boarding actions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: because the storm bolter puts out just a, I don't know what's over there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will just shoot everything over there and it will just die because I put down seven thousand rounds in two seconds from the unit and that goes in.
[SPEAKER_03]: in the game, doesn't it translate?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it translate in space home?
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, in space hockey works.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in I like it a lot in the lore because that to your point, a terminator going down a hallway just wrecked shut.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kill team the bulls are feels better too.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So fair enough that it's just that's where it's supposed to excel on the table top.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very disappointed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to talk about a lot of different weapons.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even be wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm doing a cast about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love Forty K. But man, the bull weapons from when I read them to seeing them on the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you, will we get the Melto?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to hear my anger come out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, this is a dual thing for me because this was a my first tune and I ever bought was the unit terminators.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Terminators came with the bulldozer, but also they got shot by guardsmen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the combination of these two was my, the hell man.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the next level up there from the balter is the heavy balter, which is about twenty five percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now this is the fifteen to fifty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the heavy balter is meant for, all right, I've got my balter.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's bouncing off that opponent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bring the heavy balter.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's also, well, it's supposed to be significantly longer age.
[SPEAKER_03]: Heavy bolter obviously not up to the lower, but I'd say that heavy bolter for the entirety of the time that I played the game, which is twenty five years now.
[SPEAKER_03]: The heavy bolter has been, sorry, everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: And making my usual sports reference that no one will get.
[SPEAKER_03]: because it's also an old man reference.
[SPEAKER_03]: Heavy Bolter is the Cal Ripkin Jr.
[SPEAKER_03]: of weapons.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: What I'm saying is it's been consistently okay for twenty-five.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just heavy Bolter in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually been quite good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Boulder School, because they're increased size, so you should deploy it as like a heavy weapon's team if your regular guardsmen are very special.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, very special, uh, in space meetings and carry it.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the guns goes to actually carries one around.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is kind of badass, which is a huge deal for a regular human, because it's a huge gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the heavy bolter serves its purposes, Brad said, you got a bigger up on the heavy bubble bolter will drop it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you got an organ major.
[SPEAKER_02]: You bring out the heavy bolter.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to drop up.
[SPEAKER_03]: heavy bolts are stats on the table should be a regular bolter so I'm not that the heavy bolter just does okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the I've actually yours money and as I'm going to do is you know who the most disappointing of the bolter weapons is to me the hurricane bolter because it's a hurricane.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where is the storm bolter is too gunstrapped together the hurricane bolter is six.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a really good land raider that's got two of these on it that looks amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And most players get sucked into building one of these.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you put the table top because this giant tank with all of the gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, double should be amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But double shots from the Athen rapid fire range.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it was awesome and I doesn't do shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, in the lore, the hurricane boulder just removes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's talk about the lore because this is one of my favorites, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because he's talking about the the crusader version of the tank.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because what the reason is this tank exist is the hurricane bolters put out such a volume of fire that it basically made everybody get down.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the guys inside would have salt out of the tank out of the front of the tank.
[SPEAKER_02]: The sides of the sides of it shooting forward and then the opening is in the front.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it would be an assault platform and the hurricane bolter was putting out such a huge volume of fire that there's no way people could prepare for the hand-in-hand melee assault that was coming out of there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is actually a terminator is coming out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was like this was a tank armored transport combo that pulls up, puts out
[SPEAKER_02]: thousands of shots at the same time, and then the front door opens while it's shooting and terminators with storm boulders come running out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, remove the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's badass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the lore, this thing ruined stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the game, I'm going to have to say, I know you said you didn't like to arcane bulltron it, but like the combination of hurricane bulltron terminators is pretty iconic and kicked ass for a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's flamers now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is if someone bowls up on you with terminators and hurricane vultures.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's I'm going to win.
[SPEAKER_03]: But for a long time, thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a really iconic combat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was and it should always be an iconic combat with my issue with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the redeemer land raider didn't exist for a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, they kind of conclude bolt weapons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they cool?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they devoid of any value in the tabletop?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're not, but they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're just not.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not compared to what they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of these areas where they're not bad the table top, but just in the lore, especially if you've ever watched, if you go to hammer and bolter on the GW website, or the, yes, it would be, what is the Warhammer Plus?
[SPEAKER_03]: Warhammer Plus, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you go to the Warhammer Plus and you watch some of the videos of them laying down a hail of falter fire, that's what it's supposed to be on the table.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, it's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are they, are they the worst?
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not the worst.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just not.
[SPEAKER_03]: This falls, you're, you're going to say Melta, I really think that bolt weapons are the farthest from lore to tabletop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the farthest from the story lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think from a like, we're, it's wrong if you, we'll get to melt it later.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I'll give you is, when you read the stories, you read the Black Library.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any story in Forty-K, the bolter is this amazing weapon that just wrecked me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just kills so many people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll talk about what that bolter is versus what a melted is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I'm like, man, I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we'll, we'll debate that when we get the melted, but I just, for me, the bold weapon is so far off from the story, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's drugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: But after bolts, let's move on to lasers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause lasers are cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, lasers are cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, the cool part about lasers I like this game is that the following things are all lasers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to start at the very base of it, which is the last.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow, John.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you recite your litany before you try to say such air-safe?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you recite your litany, the last gun is the greatest weapon that exists.
[SPEAKER_03]: Clearly, we talked about this in two different casts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last gun is both accurate.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is devastating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Penetrates any armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can hit things with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, last guns are cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Always works.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's your fault if they don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I actually took some time with this to learn what a last gun is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So actually, how they all work.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what they all do is it's an energy core that just takes your photons and agitates them until they get and then has a chamber.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a file and they're a shoot.
[SPEAKER_03]: And effectively has a mirror by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all mirrors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all mirrors.
[SPEAKER_02]: It fires the photons out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why it's called a laser.
[SPEAKER_03]: The last gun.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I am doing pinky up in the fat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd like these things a lot for a number of reasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them is I actually work in dental manufacturing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Chad, Cam and CNC is a big part of my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're super cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of those acronyms mean nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I have to do what I point out.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the little note, the very first ever in the history of sci-fi appearance of the last gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it dude?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, here's the thing, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: No one's ever referenced or stolen anything from Dune, probably ever in forty cases.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this was the first time that they ever just stole stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last gun, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last gun does have the next lit layer of the last gun, what they call a hot shot last gun, in which case they just take the original last gun and add an extra bag for more writers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry, but like why I'm getting my chain together right now, everyone?
[SPEAKER_03]: How was an every last gonna hot shot last got?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's too many cards, but it doesn't even make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of them are just there to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's plug it in extra battery that is literally a hot shot last.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, man, you know to make your last gun better.
[SPEAKER_03]: plug the cable in to another battery boom technology double the power.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: The hot shot last gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's primarily used by Casserkins, Sions, you know, also in a special forces and the Skittari Rangers actually have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, hot shot last can also use to kill you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the hot shot, like, okay, I've probably used to explode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No good reason, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: No battery.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely no reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They never explode.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the exact same technology as the last one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which doesn't explode.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: have no chance of exploding, but if you plug it in twice.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess that makes sense, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it does not.
[SPEAKER_03]: So streams don't cross this experience.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fuck it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have nothing for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just continue.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is my favorite weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's move into the, oh god, you've done everything in this weapon nerf.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the last cannon.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the last gun, cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: The hot shot last gun, a little bit cooler.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if we bring a generator and hook it onto the last gun, then what do you get?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you get a last cannon.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last cannon is one of the more iconic weapons of Forty Kay.
[SPEAKER_03]: It punches through armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last gun is carried in Pirro Guard.
[SPEAKER_02]: You put on vehicles.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had special weapons team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Devastators fly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Base Marines walk around because their badassery is untold.
[SPEAKER_02]: The last cannon was made to shoot down nights.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it was for.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it legitimately punches holes through them.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't even just blow shit up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's just it punches a hole through it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the way the lat, the only thing that's knowing about the last cannon in the world is the way a last can't suppose the function is you have a very large charge pack that you put in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It then consumes the entire charge back, which you didn't throw away and put a new one because no one's changing out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And logistically, that would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, in some of the stories, they do a good job of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And on the table, top, they do terrible because in the lore, you have servitors and shit like that that are constantly just reloading your gun as you move up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the way a last cannon should function, should have a last cannon, they should have a generator behind it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a, that's charging packs these time you firing, but
[SPEAKER_03]: You basically have so many reloading.
[SPEAKER_02]: No sense of the mobile weapon is what I'm getting at.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense of the tank.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you just keep loading it inside or it's like a fixed position weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but the green weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's either marina.
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes no sense, but it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: It also, it looks cool as shit because the last cannon, especially on the old firstborn marines, is
[SPEAKER_03]: significantly bigger than the model.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like their cannon is so much bigger than the actual guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the cool thing about the last cannon is that effectively, because all it is is just energy transfer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the more energy you put in, the more power you get.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what you see is the last cannon has the one we talk about space marines and guard carry them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So because of them, but you get to magna las cannons, las talents and solex heavy las cannons.
[SPEAKER_02]: which are these much throcity, last kind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they put last kinds of imperial knights, which will punch a hole in a almost planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's pretty big.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in fact, the imperial navy uses them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they actually will punch a hole in another spaceship.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of the big things is that they, and they, this is a lot of the small short stories.
[SPEAKER_03]: They teach the guys with the last candidates and the variations of the last candidates that they're not supposed to just shoot Willie Nilly because they're just putting holes in stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're supposed to be shooting at their reactors and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it'll blow the reactor up or in theory, your last name could cut the leg off that appear on like walking that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you don't want to just put holes in something.
[SPEAKER_03]: You want to hit reactors, hit main systems.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they're taught to pinpoint.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a last cannon is weird because it's
[SPEAKER_03]: not just spraying the earth with a heavy, you know, the head bolts are, you're accurate, but you're, you're shooting at the target.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Last can and you're supposed to be almost sniping in the target.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a great way to put you out as much as it's, it's almost a sniper, but basically for vehicles.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of useless in-horned.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you had, I give it, if you're going to attack by a thousand, turn my guns, the lads can and guys like, it kills one guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm gonna grab my pistol.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually significant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, a lot better.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of my favorite ones though, of those variants, we spoke about, is the volcano cannon?
[SPEAKER_02]: This, because it has a cool story behind this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's also, it's slightly down down that it used to be, but man, this thing still does damage like, oh, a shadow sword?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, just any of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, the cast ones got this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, all of the yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a special variant of the being blade called a shadow sword that has one of these on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The volcano cannon is designed to take out and appear on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by taking, I mean, just blow a hole in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Nana's big and strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what I like about it is this the lore behind it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So every last canon has focusing first.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I did a talk about the stupid.
[SPEAKER_04]: This story is funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: I plan as last canon or whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I first off were you to the name of plan the second because go GW.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm following this one in.
[SPEAKER_03]: By the way, I made a joke.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not that far off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not the best name.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so every last camp has focusing crystals as a shooter.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're manufactured.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just like you'd make a fake diamond or like a lightsaber.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, or like a crystal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's how they did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So these the volcano cannon, how comes from a planet named Sinderous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sorry, the Sinders.
[SPEAKER_03]: My name wasn't that much dumber than one of that is cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where was the site where I was like my sin deris there was a siker rebellion sin deris and at the end of the rebellion it was all put down.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took all the sikers and dumped them into the lava rivers all around the planet.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is so, but it was like super stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: What did it was that this super mess because they literally made psychic lava soup.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they just shoved all the sikers into the lava pits, whatever, they'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's real.
[SPEAKER_03]: They started harvesting the psychic crystals that happen when apparently you boot a dead siker into a
[SPEAKER_03]: Lake of lava, you can just fish out magic crystal of dead guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they harvested these crystals, which is funny, because when they fire the lands through the foes and crystals, it gives off the sound of, of, of, psychers streaming as the ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is their punishment is their souls are trapped in these crystals and they're being tortured to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And remember, everybody, the Imperium are the good guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now we're going to one of the more controversial ones in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plasma.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you mean to say the tau weaponry of choice that's better than the imperial?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, I mean plasma is okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's go to a plasma.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just super heated energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just hydrogen fuel that uses magnets to shoot it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like us.
[SPEAKER_02]: If that was a thing that GW had a name correctly.
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea of plasma is that you affect if you're shooting a sun at an opponent.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is that the amount of energy required if you're in the Imperium means that it may explode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you can fit the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to do my cheat together.
[SPEAKER_03]: This one again.
[SPEAKER_03]: My favorite part about plasma in the Imperium
[SPEAKER_03]: is you can shoot your plasma weapon as is.
[SPEAKER_03]: No problems.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or you can turn that shit up to a lemon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just like because you should just normal, no explosion.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you over if you over charge it, just like for those of us who build computers, if you overclock it, then yeah, you might die.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just straight die.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just annoying to me because the Imperium has never mastered it, but the towel we're just like, it's like instantly figured it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not a problem does.
[SPEAKER_03]: How instantly figured out plasma, Imperium consistently blowing themselves up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they make the argument if you read the lore about the way that the Imperium uses plasma disrupts the containment field and the containment field overloads and then the plasma explodes and blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I blacked out for a minute, did you just say don't cross the streams?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, I just want to make sure we were saying that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Plasma's funny because it is just super heated energy fired out at something and the towel were like, well, yeah, just I don't know, make sure the magnetic field around it doesn't fail.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's no issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the impairing my, I'm not putting that much effort in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're going to have fixed the rules a little bit because everyone has just would take out a vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was tough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, back to kind of regular guns, there are sniper rifles in the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: sniper rifles in the game and the lore are equally awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: sniper rifles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Number one thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lord a game.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fighting me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's, it's the best translation.
[SPEAKER_03]: sniper rifles are great at taking out characters.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got a good strength.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got a good AP and killing ratio.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the lore actually lines up with them pretty well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the thing about sniper rifles is that what they did was it's a bolt gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all it is with better aim as mostly used by the child soldiers of the space marines.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what they did was when they wrote in the lore about Microsoft's sniper rifles, they made it so they're just incredibly accurate with really good scope.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're actually aiming and trying to hit the gaps of the armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it makes it so powerful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you remember back to our coverage of the space marine of the evolution of space marine armor, there were gaps.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the challenges of the armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: For multiple sense, there are gaps in the armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you've got someone who's, you know, maybe a very small child, a very small fingers.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just a soldier.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if it takes times of very good shot and you give them a gun, it's incredibly accurate.
[SPEAKER_02]: The scope that's got great distance, then they can dial in and they can hit those gaps.
[SPEAKER_02]: And therefore, exploit it to make the bolt actually work correctly.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are a few other variants to it, which is funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is the long lads, which is the same thing, but a last gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another one is the last fusel, which is a last cannon and the same thing, which is
[SPEAKER_03]: why those primaries and Marines for the win.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just grab a summer at the win of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I do like is the needle or which just shoots poison needles.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we know who that's for.
[SPEAKER_03]: There wasn't even a reason to put this in.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's like three weapons in the entirety of Forty K that have ever had this rule.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'm going to put the needle gun that can poison you didn't lower AP, but you didn't know AP.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you die.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then my favorite one, which we're going to do on the assassin cast, which is the exodus rifle, which is woof.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a significant gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the exodus rifle will, that mean it can take out.
[SPEAKER_03]: The vindicare is not screwing around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the vindicare.
[SPEAKER_02]: The vindicare hits you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, another thing on more hammer plus that episode with the vinegar care.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, pretty worthwhile to watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, here's my thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Get a subscription, watch all of it, and do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to, I eventually want to get sponsored.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you know what you give me some money?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll keep telling you stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they still have to give us any money, John?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I haven't reached out yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are a wonder if it's the mall.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're making fun of some of their models.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, look, they copy and paste at the same story and change two names.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's making fun of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And every one of your emails is answered by the guy that wrote the top book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really do the elder cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I get some love because it's gonna be, that's gonna be some fanboy.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next one we cover real quick are just missile launchers.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a missile launcher.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't hate the missile launcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just a missile launcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: It shoots a missile.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did add a few different ones, frag, crack, go, gas, fire risk.
[SPEAKER_03]: I swear to God if you go into the gas one, it's a poison missile.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a poison missile.
[SPEAKER_02]: God damn it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They also, I don't like the red missiles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and the virus missile that also might get them to.
[SPEAKER_02]: They wouldn't give us stop that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can't stop the poison.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do like a vortex and haywire.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was old school though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Vortex.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, these are all long gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Vortex is long gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: And haywire.
[SPEAKER_03]: What was the, um, psych out?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like a great night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so what I was doing the research for this way, did discover, is that if you go to Lexa, Canon, which is one of the better sites for kind of when I'm, when I start right in the cast, I usually start at Lexa, Canon, they kind of figure out some sources and that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So
[SPEAKER_03]: They have a cool bibliography, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's a bibliography.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's helpful with me because I'll go to Lexington.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, and then that's it tells me what I have to go reread to make sure I'm ready for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: On Lexington, there are twenty five missile variants for the missile launcher.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't damage it, but they're almost.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to know because I was thinking of in my head, I'm thinking of all the missiles I've ever shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the game, I actually, I still think sniper's number one, Lord two game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But missiles don't miss the market.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, listen, Mark, are good all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the issue with the missiles is just that in the, there's a lot of them in the stories that don't exist in the table top, which makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really want.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they have, they have things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, they also have like a bunch of single type.
[SPEAKER_03]: every time to be fat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, because when someone asked to shoot a specific missile to take out X thing, they shoot a missile.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually like, I would have told you forgot in about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the lore, they will actually customize missiles to have four opponents.
[SPEAKER_03]: What they're really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they had shield breaker missiles and things of that, which are still in the game, actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like, they've had a lot of different specific missiles for
[SPEAKER_02]: get the money that comes in vessel of delivery for whatever the enemy is or they're fighting someone who's like several employees and for example can imagine who that would be or more important actually we have a war permissals that would be or they'd be effective anti-warp works they had stopped that would effect kind of the way that works to communicate these are all things that they have developed and the missile launcher becomes a delivery method
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just, you're firing a, what is the bomb basically that we're sending off?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that would, and that's a pretty high tech cool things.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the stories, there's been a lot of things that they shot at opponents that dis, there's a lot of disruption.
[SPEAKER_03]: Either, they've also done the, yeah, they had the high mind disruption missile.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was actually something that's been shot multiple.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I forgot about that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, where they cut off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these are things in the lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just the tabletop.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: They did.
[SPEAKER_03]: How cool that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: That would be awesome if Death Watch had access to multiple missile types.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got the ammunition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Death Watch are always like Death Watch are
[SPEAKER_02]: They should have that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing to do with what we're doing here, but let's talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like death watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think are the ones that GW's most afraid to write rules for because the death watch rules should make them auto win against them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, uh, we just only do is just have weapons that screw with Zina.
[SPEAKER_02]: They lost the special weapons that would stop neck-rung reanimation.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's cool one.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have everything that the imperium has figured out.
[SPEAKER_03]: They used to have, at least in the Lord.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even they were done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, that's from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's jump into Flamers, which are a Yin Yang for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are they cool?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a bit of Lord that's stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a party.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can do more to one's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the flavors are, it's a flame thrower.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the question I haven't been looking at at these was like, well, what's the fuel source on this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because as we said, there's stories where a Terminator, the heavy flavor, took out a thousand.
[SPEAKER_03]: All have to say it's Salabandam.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do you transport this?
[SPEAKER_02]: So they use something called Prometheus.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is going to give me an aneurysm in a second, but we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So talking about the next time you're going to have to talk about contentium.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because we'll get there in a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Prometheum in the lore is a special fuel that when it's exposed the air ignites and burns.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is meant to be, this is a few elements that actually will do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be exposed in the air.
[SPEAKER_02]: They actually will combust some of their sodium and water, etc.
[SPEAKER_02]: That being said.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but this sets like down and right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is that Prometheum's a real thing, Brad.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's an actual element called Prometheum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, much like the GW, the name after Prometheus, who stole God, stole Fire from the Gods, give them mankind.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problem is that Prometheum, the element.
[SPEAKER_02]: But nothing bad happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just highly radioactive.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all it does.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't ignite.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just gives you cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Radioactive element, guy that would have done anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at the guy who stole Fire from the Gods and absolutely nothing bad happened to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's so with the hawk it is liver for all of eternity and every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what getting is like, this drove me nuts because they, they, GW wrote it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then my, so I always would give GW the credit.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is why they won't sponsor us.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, but I'm going to go from the credit where I'm like, okay, well, maybe is permitting a newer element is one of the ones that we made.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ninety note two.
[SPEAKER_03]: We can be sitting on easy street right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you quit bad mulling the god damn.
[SPEAKER_03]: overlords or souls.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so Promethium is a real thing, much like the Necron Gauss, GW just decided to take some of it exist and give it a new name and move all of their day.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, well, we're not talking about this because it was the period, but like after we talked about Necron Gauss, yeah, it bothered me so much on my right home.
[SPEAKER_03]: They like, yeah, they can, they just thought it was like, that doesn't already exist.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're just like, yeah, it's a gas weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, hey, they just, they took a thing that existed, and then just went with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, oh, me, if you miss.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's dive into one of your foreshading a little bit of flame or meltdowns.
[SPEAKER_02]: Melt is a combination of a flavor and a plasma.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, with a fusion reactor.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they take a, it's a portable fusion reactor uses, this is legitimately the ghost mustard gun and pyrum.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this case, I'm going to go with them and say they're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're probably a team.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a radioactive isotope that you then take it mixes together and by the pyrum is made up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They use the one that exists and what does exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: But these two nicks together and it shoots an active sun out the barrel at something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but it shoots even a liquid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it will liquid.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's on plasma.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was it's a literal plasma not in made up energy plasma.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm saying it's a plasma.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a super heated plasma.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a fusion reaction in for a I'm seventy percent right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I know that somebody's going to just describe me and comment about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, but it is also the ghostbuster guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, no, the ghostbuster gun is done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, as a beam, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: If the ghostbuster gun shot out one beam and that was it, that's what melted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, well, melted as it kind of shoots out this like beams like chunks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a second.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's literally a blob.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a blob of super heated.
[SPEAKER_03]: You shoot out a mini sun at something.
[SPEAKER_02]: It will melt anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sarah might blast the seal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Necrederma.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, how are you missing with melted when you shoot a vehicle?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's the Talon.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're really quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Melta is amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Melta should hit things and whatever it hits, just is gone now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, okay, ready?
[SPEAKER_03]: I pull out of two people sitting in a basement.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is underrepresented?
[SPEAKER_03]: Reef canons or melta guts?
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, canons are worse.
[SPEAKER_03]: because rape cannons just take a part of you and make you go to the war.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Red cannons are worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll get them out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Red cannons are worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, after this, we're kind of this intentionally where we're kind of shitting on all of the, the space marine and the Imperium stuff first because we need to elder our team.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've just the solitaire.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, any of their weapons should kill instantly kill everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's remarkable.
[SPEAKER_03]: No save, strength, one thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've had them a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_02]: They let him have those rules of your time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, D weapons that exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've done some kind of some in the closet there.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was a little period of nine for this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Malta gun should kill what they should because you don't have a defense against a Malta gun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, unless you have like a void shield, if you have something that nature, even that, I mean, melted is a, you know, because it's on that something, but I'm saying like our armor doesn't, it doesn't matter how thick your armor is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like it's on how you want to find shields of a shield is a piece of energy that uses energy to stop whatever is coming
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're deflecting, yes, but I'm saying like if you just have a heavy hole, which usually stops, bolter fire, glass guns, things of that nature, none of that shit should, should stop a melted gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, melted guns are incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: In my favorite melting gun is actually the blighting, and I'm in play blighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the blighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes went like, where do I make that a pistol?
[SPEAKER_03]: How far can it shoot?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: How far can you touch?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's effectively punch range.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The blood it has melted pistols combined with their chains swords to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's so crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're close to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Inferno pistol is one of my favorite weapons because they're shooting something that again is firing a small sun and they're firing
[SPEAKER_03]: It's at about jab range.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they take their foot off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a really cool weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, Melta, unfortunately, is lower strength than most vehicles in the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Has it ever been stronger?
[SPEAKER_03]: Now Melto's used to be well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to have to go way back in the day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_03]: Melto used to get two D six for vehicle penetration.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also Melto back in the day used to get a D twelve plus a D twenty in second.
[SPEAKER_02]: I went back a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should do a cast on second edition.
[SPEAKER_02]: And really, hey guys, here's how many dice used to have to bring?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And ten blitz.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was twenty, twenty, six years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you'd bring a backpack to go to games, just for all the extras.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I hit everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was cool, so anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Melta just disappoints in my mind brutal and tabletop because it should be, I shoot you with Melta.
[SPEAKER_02]: Find maybe I miss, but if I hit, yeah, you're wounded in your day.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it should be every time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of say, oh, yeah, I kind of it was a glancing blow.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was I hit you with a son.
[SPEAKER_02]: It glanced as a son.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was not good to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was wearing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like SPF.
[SPEAKER_02]: million.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so your son does nothing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm totally good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I took a wound.
[SPEAKER_02]: I shoved it off.
[SPEAKER_02]: So after them, when we wanted kind of more common.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I got to get my Chew back together.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I said this a couple times, but this is definitely another cheat time because we just went from
[SPEAKER_02]: harnessing the power of the sun to auto cannons to auto cannons auto cannons auto cannons are real that's the best way they're real that we have them today it's the rapid fire gun that shoots a large caliber it also it is it also functions really well in the tables that's the very the auto cannon versus heavy bolter is not that significant they're pretty similar weapons that's the best way to explain it is the all kinds of the all kinds
[SPEAKER_02]: almost a bigger hand.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, the other can't be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, to be fair, auto cannons fantastic to come up with a lower two table top bottle cannons and on a cannon.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it does well.
[SPEAKER_03]: It can take out tanks.
[SPEAKER_03]: It can take out infantry.
[SPEAKER_03]: It just, it does what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a bunch of big slugs fired at people.
[SPEAKER_02]: One I do laugh that is actually really extra the heavy stubborn, which actually does the inverse.
[SPEAKER_02]: The heavy stubborn performs better on the table top that doesn't the law.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The heavy stubborn is a fifty-cal machine gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just that it's a large machine gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the law, it's effectively useless except for unarmed masses.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's weird because now that my favorite offense forces use them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, because I was to say they're they're the t-shirt guns.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah of that in on the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually heavy stoppers are
[SPEAKER_03]: vehicle mounted most of the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, I lack is in the lore and it closes out in the lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: A space marines armor is immune.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just do a heavy stuff around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just it basically hits the armor and disappears.
[SPEAKER_02]: And everyone who's played the game is gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I died to all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yes, you did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have them on all of my guard.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also in the game, in the lore, there are these shoot randomly in the crowd.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a garbage machine gun in the lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: It shoots things in everything's odd.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're all mass together.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll take a few of them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you're playing in the game, it's like, oh, yeah, I've got massive range and credible accuracy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling space marines routinely with it even terminators.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't actually understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only gun that's better.
[SPEAKER_03]: It might be.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just thinking about anything else.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to dwell on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It might be the only one that's better in the tabletop than it is in the lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, let's talk about a cool gun now.
[SPEAKER_03]: What?
[SPEAKER_03]: Grab can't rest cannon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Grab cannons are awesome, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because they're wildly made up, and it's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: The graph cannons come from a dark inch of technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not made anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: So whatever you grab cannon in the game, unless you're Brad and you're playing a drop pot full of multiple job.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought, grab counter incredibly rip.
[SPEAKER_02]: If a soldier carrying a grab cannon, space frame, carrying a grab cannon is killed, you have to pick that grab cannon because you can never make it again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you could make it sometimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you had to put one on a vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Graves canons are the same as the Grave drives.
[SPEAKER_02]: So right now, AdMek has no problem making semi-flying vehicles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kind of Grave, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Powered things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the Grave gun is caught in a video game where someone takes a mining laser, then turns it into another weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like you literally grab got you switch to wires and all of a sudden it does this So yes to Brad's point the imperium has no power of making gravity it goes but a graph God isn't possible now Let's have a what a grab gun is though because it's actually super cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it shoots a gravity well at a target whatever it hits it Think it makes a gravity well, so basically a mini black hole and brushes everything in that area down into a tiny little spark
[SPEAKER_03]: It is also not fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just suck you away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, wait, you could turn a space Marine into a ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's basically an armory into a ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it crushes you down while it's doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are one of the most devastating weapon in the lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: The one of the most devastating weapons.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're used actually in siege weapons because they could pull a wall down.
[SPEAKER_02]: feel, uh, imperial ships use them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They actually shoot at other imperial ships to crack them into pieces.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are amazing guns that have had garbage rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the same as Israel's a coalition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the actual rules right now are not bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like that they have anti vehicle too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I just feel like there should be, I like the idea of this, this sustained weapon where like you, you have something and it just, I like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like in the tabletop that they're anti vehicle, they should be anti vehicle anti building, but we don't really have building rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're anti vehicle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, they do wildly less to people than they should.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do like at least their image weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should, it should have been, we're about to do my favorite weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should have been like more of a death thing when the mortal would attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should just kill you.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was to say, yes, you're not wrong because if they did the lore in the game, it should do all or nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you should do devil things or nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like, if the vehicle may be just down to you, but if it's a, if it's a walk, if it's an infantry,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but the devil and still covers that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They should just do devil.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we'll move on to what is actually my favorite weapon in the game, Volkite.
[SPEAKER_02]: Volkite comes from the Dark Age of Technology, but we still can produce it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They actually don't know how to make them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's side note in Volkite?
[SPEAKER_02]: It actually was the original weapon for the Great Crusade.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Imperium, and then the Emperor made so many troops.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had to move the bolters because they couldn't make enough Volkite.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you go into the horse heresy, a ton of the walkers have all kinds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Volkai is actually funny because it's like, it's just a ray gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a ray gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when it hits something, if it hits organic matter, it sets off a chain reaction and combusts it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it creates and
[SPEAKER_02]: just getting your whole body just to us to the point where if it hits a gap in your armor and hits your your body, you will disintegrate inside of your own arm.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Volkites are one of the runners up here to be the best lore versus table top.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because the Volkites should just again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm saying, but it's, but it's low strength and it's devastating moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you're using the best the best representation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's again one of the all or nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: The problems will give them melee weapons and the melee weapons are actually pretty.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm saying as far as not arranged stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, Reggie.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, yeah, you're right, Volkai probably the best.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they, they, they fire, they do very, very similar in lore to what they do on the team.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish they were damaged too.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish Volkai.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cute true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just because once you fail, once you fail, yeah, say once you fail, save them, Reen should die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's like a Volkai, because I
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what if you're affected, you're just dead, you're dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: You either didn't get it hit and affected, or you just dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Volkite's all need that has been something relatively broken models over the years with Volkite on them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at you, Leviathan's.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now anyway, a lot of you who played blood angers, spacers are just really confused, but this first half of our cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: These things we've been talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: We said, we sent a photo pistol.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen those.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are these coward weapons?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the the thing that coward's used.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, what if I want to fight like a man?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well,
[SPEAKER_02]: Good news.
[SPEAKER_02]: Forty K has some incredible melee weapons that if you have a degree in physics, you're going to need my hands on this off now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just go ahead, turn this off now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate you as a listener and I want to keep you as one and I don't want you to have it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even going to look forward to the notes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are we going to start with your favorite weapon?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why are you such a big fan of a chain sword job?
[SPEAKER_02]: The chain sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: The chain sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm assuming came from evil dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I assume their idea came from here of like what if we put a chain sword and saw a chain sword on someone's hand they hit people with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: How about a sword?
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's going to be a sci-fi sword.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we'll put a chain saw on the sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is the least practical weapon I could ever imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a chain sword is a sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a
[SPEAKER_02]: a hold and you have a giant chain saw coming out the top of it that the teeth are only exposed on one side because you wouldn't want to cut yourself with it obviously like a sword which is pointing on both sides so but I digress.
[SPEAKER_02]: The teeth are made of ceremony and they're sharp into a level where they're impossibly sharp.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're supposed to do a tear through anything they encounter with absolute use.
[SPEAKER_03]: But you're chopping.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'd have to chop, push the button.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then continue to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where, and again, I don't know if any of our listeners have used a chain saw, if not used a chain saw.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you've ever used a chain saw, not the ones that the weird lumberjacks use in Bumble F no wear to cut down a chain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which one the all the normals have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Seriously, imagine holding
[SPEAKER_02]: a chainsaw out at a straight arm, hold a chainsaw that the reason I hate this is that first off the weight distribution on this is the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is just a broken wrist.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like it's in such space means they're very strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's no amount of hydraulics you could put in a wrist to make this thing actually wieldable.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's not even a dumbest part.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the weight would be everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the weights, the other piece is that the way a chainsaw works, the chainsaw's work, they're linear.
[SPEAKER_02]: They go down and they make contact, they cut in one angle the whole way through.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't mean she's always used.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if there is a chainsaw on a train, you're cutting the tree, the weight of the tree comes back onto the chainsaw.
[SPEAKER_02]: It actually, the teeth stop moving.
[SPEAKER_02]: It jams it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do love the fact that we are really focused.
[SPEAKER_03]: on the actual real life technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: The reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get them credit, the reason I'm going to get
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, folks, all like I can't argue against them because it's so beyond the realm of reality, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when you play in the realm of reality, I get to kind of have some questions here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my issue of chance towards this, I love the aesthetic of what if we made a sword out of a chain saw?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's objectively awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it would never work in a million years.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would just it would constantly get stuck, then you get stabbed.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what would happen with a chainsaw.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'd take the chainsaw to someone's armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would get stuck in their armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He would look at you while it's stuck in his armor and punch you in the face.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's my issue with the chainsaw.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to cool weapons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's have some a skip it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to talk about chain weapons anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just do power weapons.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Power weapon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is good because exactly what I just talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: My issue with a chain sword was they tried to make an explanation of how the chain so yeah, she fucks her power weapons do how they explained it nanotech.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was you baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's an catch all for every sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love power weapons.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why does this work?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because screw you.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why it works.
[SPEAKER_02]: How's it going?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it takes a normal like a weapon and then we put an energy field around it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the energy field do?
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes it better.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, how does that function?
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me give you a counter argument, John.
[SPEAKER_02]: Science.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be quiet.
[SPEAKER_02]: The power weapons are cool as hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll start with the first one, which is, again, stupid, but awesome, the power fist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's, the power fist is, it's wildly anane.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's one of my favorite weapons.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is for those of us who've ever bought all cans.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a whole can covered by lightning and nano technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: So space marines, terminators, a couple random guardsmen all have these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cal guards the best of them all who has two of them for
[SPEAKER_02]: And what they do is when I take my, when I'm have my power fist on and I punch something with my power fist.
[SPEAKER_02]: You power it up first.
[SPEAKER_02]: True.
[SPEAKER_02]: With now technology and then we have mixed contact the energy explodes out and it
[SPEAKER_03]: It's harder because it's a power fist.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not just a fist, my friend.
[SPEAKER_03]: A power fist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like power fist.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually with Brad on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it dumb?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Super stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually probably love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I prefer the next one, which is the chain fist because it takes all the joy the power fist and adds a chain saw underneath it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So a chain fist is legitimately a power fist, and they strapped underneath the power fist.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you still have a power fist, the power fist, and then you have a chain, a chain sort of under it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's also a specially done up chain, which a fist that's specifically designed to cut through metal because of not just neto technology, but
[SPEAKER_03]: Monofilament.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, they use the word monofilament randomly as you want to because it literally it cuts through armor because it goes through between the animals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will be as the aesthetics are cool and the lore is actually much more functional than a regular chain sword because it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a catch to use the whole thing of breaking your wrist is gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually underneath your forearm.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it does make it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just going to be heavy, but it's just as hard of the wheel.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I also can't talk show it because the space will use them in a way that just the most space was used them in the best way ever, which is they didn't
[SPEAKER_03]: believe well in the back back in the day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't trust that newfound crazy technology like teleportation.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they would board other space vehicles by shooting terminators with changes like bullets at the vehicles cut a hole through and then beat the shit out of everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: the way that they use my life more because they also make more sense where they basically is almost having a Swiss army knife underneath it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would they land on something, put a hole in it, go through the hole and then use the power fist to punch everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a statement.
[SPEAKER_03]: The chain fist actually I like because for me, the chain fist is used as the utility thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the power fist is what you actually use to fight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: It makes more sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then if you hit a tank, you would
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just take the jump on the tank.
[SPEAKER_02]: I cut a hole in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I jump to the deck and I power fist every one inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, James is one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, James is cool as hell rules have been messed with him and pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: One I don't like is the power sword just because it thought they were phoning it in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the power is fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same concept.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there are levels to power.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to caveat that the standard power sword is just a sword with an energy field around it that makes it sharper.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nanotechnalic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now there are levels to power swords.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are some like your relic power.
[SPEAKER_02]: The cool amount of power swords is they're all like relic power swords.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the problem is, is that power entered blank?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there wildly different?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eisenhower's power sword is amazing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's also a deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: But instead of power swords, they are pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a little bit of phoning it in where it's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a catch-off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we want to sell swords in our game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember horses.
[SPEAKER_03]: The why they're so different is some are demonic weapons, some are more powerful.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is is that all of these weapons that used to be, if I hit you with this and you don't have an invulnerable save, you didn't get a save.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the mechanic in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the way it was supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these extra power vehicles, some of these are powered elements where it's an energy field.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of them are demonic or demonic.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the power field is, again, air quotes because it was powered by something something.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was all different for each one.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things that does make power swords cool, though, is that because they have an energy field, you can turn it on and off.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the idea of power swords, I think, was that a spaceman could become really a depth at it, like Lucius, who could practice the power, but you could go full go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you wouldn't hurt anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, it's because they're in armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: because the swords are dull because it's the power that actually makes it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can they can full go.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you get some cool stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: These incredible dosmen who are in their their proficiency with a power swords incredible blah blah blah blah Indiana Jones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Raiders the lost.
[SPEAKER_03]: They blah blah blah blah and some of the greatest swords bed in the entirety of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not even just the appearance of the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you have net, if you have Disney plus, you can go to Disney plus.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can click on Raiders the last part.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can fast forward to net check this in at forty second twenty five and you'll discover the value of the sword.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's a cool thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, it was because Harrison Ford was sick, look it up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was, there was supposed to be a sword fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't stand in there and everyone, and it's one of the best scenes in cinema.
[SPEAKER_02]: So go down.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also, there's some pretty cool swords with power offensive.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're something I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is one of my, I mean, you're going to one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So lightning clause.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if there's no lightning.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're kind of in in some of the the novels they have lightning crackling off.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do and then in some of the code access they do not and by some of the some of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: All of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll ever in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you read like, for instance, Abadans bodyguard regimen when they talk about them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they're just there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lightning was crackling.
[SPEAKER_02]: The talons of Horace.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, none of that happens in the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right numerous times.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never shot lightning out of them ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but lightning claws are the function of GW writing lore and reading Marvel and being a big fan of Wolfgang.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, one of the thing that they're supposed to be that they do a bad job of is they're a weapon that was supposed to pass through because it was again the mono filament type deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why they worked on vehicles and people is they just passed through because of their field.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lightning field was supposed to punch through armor punch through.
[SPEAKER_03]: No sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got claws that are just going to get full of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be like a kabob at the end of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be an armor kabob.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you hand on the end of your hand?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do you hate nanotechnology so much?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I should like these voices just that they don't make sense to me like you don't really want to have your melee weapon be that close to your body and slashing at things like you're an angry cat is just not that functional.
[SPEAKER_02]: The idea in the lore though does make sense, supposed to be a silent weapon you could sneak up on people while wearing space marine armor.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my guys, I heard something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lightning clock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, they're actually cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like it's for a person.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like what they're supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love my models.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they look awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I had space Marie, they had Vanguard Vets with Jump Hacks Lightning class.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a good look.
[SPEAKER_03]: some other kind of fun power weapons on that is they've turned everything into power weapons you can you can do it to anything sure they they it's power you know and I'll read down the list power mom power acts as power maces power flails there's power yes just put it on it can be power stick it'd be power anything you could you have power rock
[SPEAKER_02]: That being said, there is one more.
[SPEAKER_03]: The one, you mean the greatest weapon this one better than the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we aligned on as the best weapon in the entire game.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is the Thunderhammer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So remember a power fist?
[SPEAKER_02]: What if instead of a fist, we made a hammer.
[SPEAKER_03]: full of lightning.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't shoot out.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't care, but it's at least on the weapon and model sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is model that sometimes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a two-handed hammer with an energy field that can stop and tank deadness trucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, and I'll be honest, this has been from a weapon standpoint.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're playing in tenths, they're okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're playing in any other addition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Holy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had so many.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many did you run at the end of the night to your space force?
[SPEAKER_02]: Fifteen, twenty, twenty, five, uh, forty, forty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, forty thunder hammers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: We were now the necker anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people didn't magnetize their models, Brad.
[SPEAKER_02]: They shoot them as soon as they saw them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so the thunder hammer is just utilized by cool units.
[SPEAKER_02]: Space wolves just sort of carried them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, characters are no more for the thunder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The thunder hammer does work.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is awesome when they do it in the anime types deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: The thunder hammer is actually I think the best weapon Lord of Table top because in the black library novels, it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a codex story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing on the table top.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no time, even like Ted that you're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just aren't.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's still good.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're still really.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they also look, truly shell.
[SPEAKER_02]: You terminators assault terminators carrying a thunder hammer and a storm shield.
[SPEAKER_02]: Looks cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And more characters with a heavy thunder hammer with a huge thunder hammer on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, super good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thunder hammer is rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're the primarks carry them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great scope, too, because a lot of them have the, some of the characters have the lightning on the thunder hammer in the sculpt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just they are insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what makes it the reason called a thunder hammer is because the energy in it when it makes contact gives out the sound of a sonic boom.
[SPEAKER_03]: And legitimately is a thunder clam.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: as hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one GW nailed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: A single strike from a thunder hammer can kill a space marine, even though both of the armor by the way, because the forces so much will actually basically liquefy them on the inside.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can kill harness facts in a single shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the heavy thunder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the big, the big versions basically haven't because they hold more power.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they are cool as hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Space wolves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Brad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, they made the weapon weapon so bad that I had so many of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, there is one more melee weapon that we haven't discussed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is possibly the greatest melee weapon in the entire day.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is imbued with the power of the Emperor of mankind.
[SPEAKER_02]: It creates fear in any enemy that sees it and envy by other soldiers who see you at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the imperial shovel.
[SPEAKER_02]: model on all creed models.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can dig, it can slash, it can bash, and you can cook with it and eat with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is unfortunately unique to only the luckiest in the period of guardsmen who can have it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do want to I would be remiss if I did not talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if I didn't talk about the grasp of all the weapons, which is
[SPEAKER_02]: the imperial shovel.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm sorry, but you should collect the imperial guard death court to Greek because it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_04]: They all have a shovel.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all have a shovel.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they at one point had rules for the shovels.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't anymore, which is too bad because it was a better time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But with that, that feels like a good enough coverage of the weapons of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope you guys enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next week, next week, we're going to take off Brad's muzzle.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is time.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to begin.
[SPEAKER_03]: We do a grease buffer and micro buffer on this.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to didn't get the sexual assault charges.
[SPEAKER_04]: Go to grease.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, giving you a heavy side of this, I also love Eldar, which is why this is going to be a tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to start next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: The plan next week is to go into the Eldar gods and the creation of the craft worlds, and then from there to start really diving hard into this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're probably going to do some Eldar, then move away from Eldar and come back to more Eldar later, because I don't want to get you guys nine straight episodes of Eldar, which there's so much stuff to talk about.
[SPEAKER_03]: And hopefully,
[SPEAKER_03]: We still get a good response, and we continue to do this because I'm super excited about upcoming.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't even know how excited I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eldar is Brad's like, real happy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I am so popped up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Orcs are mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love orc Eldar, I find.
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're more cool to me, Brad.
[SPEAKER_02]: The stories just are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, next week we're doing Eldar.
[SPEAKER_02]: So buckle up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, with that, this has been John Barsodian, Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_02]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: See you guys next week.