[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Forty-Kailorcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me jump our Saudi and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So episode three of the Baton.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the goal here guys is to bring you all up to quote unquote modern Forty-K.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with the baton is it's going to be an arbitrary stop point because every book that comes out in Forty-K has him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't have this every word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now we're having a discussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: We decide we're going to take you right up to
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of the start of eighth edition taking a boom boom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're about that moment and we're going to get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So after that, we're going to kind of maybe come back later to it, but that's our goal today.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, as usual, I need to talk shit about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's also an inch you got my microphone constantly because it upsets John and it makes me happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Brad likes to talk when we say talking to a microphone, but I was talking to a microphone the way that you eat an ice cream.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is how we much we were in decisive about how far we're going to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because our current notes say, so we're going to go up to about and there's a blank line.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know where we were going.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had to decide to set lunch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quick recap that is the where we are at this stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: First episode, we took the origins of a bad and all the way up to the end of the Horace Heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Second episode, as you guys heard, was we kind of took the rise of a bad and what he does in the work to become the war master and lead the Black Legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this one, we're going to kind of kick taking from that era all the way up through what are basically his crusades to the modern era.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to start with the fact the overriding story arc of the dawn is that he is powered by chaos, but he isn't subservient to chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is the thing is he is still human, as much as a super soldier could be human.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's actually, he's the only reason he's as successful as he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, he refuses to be a thrall to cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then again, you have to go back to Horace.
[SPEAKER_02]: That Horace was the evidence, everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he felt that he failed because of weakness and becoming a thrall of cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, I'm never going to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I've said this before.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say it again though.
[SPEAKER_02]: What makes him such an intriguing character is he has, he's failed.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has self-doubt and everything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he refuses to just take this absolute power because he doesn't want to be absolutely controlled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of great stories about this where a bad and seems to effectively feed you out that the chaos gods hate each other more than anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we just basically put some of the bidding wars against each other for everything he wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to be stronger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which of you and just goes to every single God and says, well, what do you want for that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they goes, well, yeah, Zeen, that's a big thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, corn said all I had to do was slaughter an entire system.
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you give it to me for?
[SPEAKER_01]: And Brad said really well in the last cast, a bad news, the most successful chaos warrior in history.
[SPEAKER_02]: like laughably because they also give him access to their legions each and two because they go and this is how he controls people that are physically be a psychic physical power whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: more powerful than him, he gets them under his thumb because their patrons, which they are in Thrall II, he is not in Thrall II.
[SPEAKER_02]: He makes a bargain and says, I need this.
[SPEAKER_02]: What are you going to give me kind of saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he gets entire armies, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's really, this is, we're starting the cast on this because it is literally the most important piece of a button is that he is chaos undivided.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's anything other than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: In his case on the body, he's not ascended.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a demon, demon prince.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has not accepted everything with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is still just doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing it his way.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should have placed an answer right now on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing the work of the chaos gods, but the key element where I just said there is the S. It's them plural.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that keeps him from ever falling into the trap that Angron, even more terrients, not even more terrients.
[SPEAKER_02]: Terrible with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, but Terrients hates what he,
[SPEAKER_02]: More no one hates more Terry and as much as more Terry anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that they are stuck they gave the ultimate sacrifice and now they and their Legion their points.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no control over anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're the most powerful pawn around, but you are still a pawn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he refuses in the thing is that that is the
[SPEAKER_02]: Bigger, we talked about in the first episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody that was a father figure to him, all of them betrayed him, to him, will fully betrayed him and all of them because of their weakness is why they fell.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think in other pieces, important years, this level of independence that a bad man has,
[SPEAKER_01]: No one had, in the forty-eight universe, it's really Xenos factions are the only ones that get this.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one in the Imperium has this level of kind of like autonomy, effective.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I haven't done what happened on does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually like for those who were like big chaos players.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is cool as shit when you're playing about Abadon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Abadon, Abadon, you're able to, he's in charge.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are, you are, you know, the general for someone who is in absolute charge of what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, is that he is a wildly great planner, but also while he's not trying to get people killed, he also holds none of these gifts as something he has to have, whether it be his personal power, whether it be the legions that he's given, whether it be demonic legions, can't space marine legions.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: He holds them all as a femoral.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're here for the thing that I have to do tomorrow if they're gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: As actually a great segue because what we're going to get into is the long war, the crusades.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these are actually, so the crusades to me are really cool because we call them crusades.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I laughed because GW
[SPEAKER_01]: has to shit writing sometimes.
[SPEAKER_01]: A crusade is something that usually you wage, basically you wage it for extremely long periods of time and blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's crusades were actually missions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, because I'll say some of his crusades were I needed to go pick up this thing of eggs from the most.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, he wanted to achieve this and sometimes the achieving is legitimate.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's getting an object and other times it was I'm going to blow this thing up so that it's not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: later next one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I will say when we call these crusades, that was some very liberal writing on the part of GW in usage of that word, because they're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we're going to cover a few of them right now, because not all of them, because there's thirteen in some of them are pretty lame, which is perfectly honest.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I got eggs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got the eggs and I went back home and made an omelet.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a wonderful crusade of Adam.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was successful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also picked up some chives for additional flavor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Free range.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's like, we'll skip some of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep in mind though that we call them a crusade what they really are or missions because Abidon has a plan and his plan is to conquer the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the core of conquering the galaxy, what he realizes fairly early is he has to take out the emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he takes out the Emperor, the Astronomicon crashes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he knows that Horace made the huge mistake.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not only... Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all a plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything to him is a layered plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the biggest mistake, one of the biggest things Horace also made was attacking Soul directly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's never even once you kill the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got, well, depending on what part of the crusade.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about Gilligan as a live or dead, spoiler alert, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you've got, if he weren't just a launch out of the eye of terror, take all of his forces, go to Saul, kill the emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say he pulls that off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's dead right afterwards, because the remaining forces slaughter him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead, he makes a systematic plan to begin pulling down the defense that they've here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rip the imperial down from its
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe even rip the galaxy in half.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would help if you could actually just cut the galaxy in half.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if that's going to be anything to get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's jump into the first black earthquake.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the story a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So about a thousand years post chorus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it gets like five, but this is a big deal though, because at this point in time,
[SPEAKER_02]: because they still use the Emperor's way of dealing with chaos, which is, don't admit it exists, kill everyone that saw it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This amount of time, chaos is almost the boogie man for most of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's still parts where they're active.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot of the galaxy that just is, well, because even if they were, when they were acting, it was a rating party.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a true curry.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'd come out of nowhere, or you'd get like a cultist uprising.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was minimal, and then you could just, between inquisition, gray nights, it's sisters, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just stamp it out and it would go away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, is that he comes back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, and he comes back in force.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he explodes out of the eye of talent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like this is a word.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a, it's actually the first chaos, the active Legion to come out since that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Effectively, the eye of terror has always been there, and they know it's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know chaos is in there, but it's a little rating party, so it gives a shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: A, our motto comes out of this thing, and just starts burning the galaxy around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, I want to go into, because everybody, there has been some red cons, but this I do not think is a red cons, because what I thought he did in the first crusade is he just wanted to see how the Imperium reacted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just, I mean, he literally went out because he attacked everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're trying to win his plan, make no sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: What he was trying to do is go, what happens when I go to this segment of this segment of this segment of anyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they left.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They literally just, well, he went grab this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm saying, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just left Europe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they wanted the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: He comes out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He attacks like crazy burns it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can, when you read through the first question, you can kind of see, I think there's a few things going on all at once.
[SPEAKER_01]: One was, you know what you said.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to kind of test like, what are the defenses?
[SPEAKER_01]: What, you know, I haven't seen these guys in five hundred years of their time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Warp time, who knows how long that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see, there's, it's either five thousand years or two minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just six weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was the task them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also needs to keep his allies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the thing that Abadans have been doing really well is he's been getting these, what I'm called, fully fallen legions, slenesh being the big one, Emperor's children being the big one, to kind of back him because they're massive legions.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're wildly big at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you call when we talked about that last, slenesh was fairly untouched at this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they didn't start to separate until much later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're just they're doing slave reigns.
[SPEAKER_01]: The corn guys are killing people.
[SPEAKER_01]: The nirgles just doing nirgles stuff and zinches.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was actually a slow as parlor right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he hasn't pushed the plates out into into the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not about that from a time standpoint.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the earlier you're just they come out of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wreck the galaxy just wreck it.
[SPEAKER_01]: One thing that caught the Imperium so brutally off guard with this crusade is that in all of the prior experiences, what you would do is chaos would attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: you basically, so as they've pair him shady, you let the world burn.
[SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't even throw defenses really at it, you just surround it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then once chaos kind of finished attacking and there was no defense, they always just turned on themselves, because all of a sudden they'd come and you could think of this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you go to a planet and it's
[SPEAKER_01]: Emperors children, it's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a thousand sons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, night Lord, you got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll fight each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're all there for slate.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all there to take a little back.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll also because they're guys hate each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have a little fight each other and also.
[SPEAKER_02]: Once the fighting subsides, you also lose the demonic incursions because once you lose the power from that, the demons start to.
[SPEAKER_02]: not be able to continue to be in the, in the, in the, in the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, because also Abadad had used his job fair to fill a lot of roles because, oh yeah, if you don't recall, Abadad went on a headlopping off tour.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm joking, but I'm not joking.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just killed by decapitation.
[SPEAKER_02]: almost all of the people leading because he thought that they were shitty leaders.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he got new leaders and he basically let them see him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lopping off the dome of Alaska and he goes, well, Phil, you're now in charge because Ted, I thought, didn't do a good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not going to say I'm going to do anything to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying Ted didn't do a good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another job.
[SPEAKER_01]: So next time, maybe listen to Abadon's plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's this coffee and period really off guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was got this was the first time since Horace that they actually had to fight an organized horse that kept fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It organized towards the confining with a real plan, not just berserker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we grabbed a bunch of locals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, it was buzzing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We rated the gap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Took all the employees and went back to the I have terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we burned.
[SPEAKER_01]: We took out the defenses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're actually, and then we started reinforcing our position and also feeling all of your resources.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, this is now my factories.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are now my space ports.
[SPEAKER_01]: exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this became it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the
[SPEAKER_01]: over the course of the first crusade, had all of this launch, all of their forces back at Abadan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, by all the forces, this and this includes titan legions, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they went, once they figured out what was happening, they were going on, because all we forgot, we probably should have mentioned, we forgot it, that the lords of terror were a terror, were useless at this stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is probably one of their worst things.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, I'm not being kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will do an entire cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate the Lord's Day.
[SPEAKER_02]: With a passion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we talk about all the problems the Lord's Attara, this post-horus heresy era is maybe the worst version of themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because as we said, there's still infighting right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it was really nice, but this was to my mind one of the worst ones because they've had five hundred years of November.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've done nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've just, they've agreed on literally nothing for five hundred years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've actually, they've, they've set the, they've made it worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to get my cheating together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to mojo up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They literally did more to separate and put the imperial into its own, they almost dark age of technology, the imperial.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they've had this was a bad and the first crusade should have been pretty quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should have come out of the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Imperium should have seen it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was literally getting one over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And instead, they just kind of were like, oh, maybe someone should do something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really think that they got to the... Abadad's first crusade was the first season of the Abadad show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I didn't write his second season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, wait, so I mean, I actually, I think Abadad and this really got so far ahead of his plans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, should we just go back like this feels like I personally, he probably thought it was a trap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why is there no defense?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no one is doing anything to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's coming for me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's nothing to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this has to be them trying to get me to overextend.
[SPEAKER_02]: But nope, they just sucked.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, Abadan did have a plan though.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his plan wasn't really actually kind of genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was actually for power.
[SPEAKER_02]: As we were just, this is his first personal power grab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we just discussed with the way he works with the gods, he knows you can't go to a god and ask for power.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's impossible because you have to become a thrall.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what does he do?
[SPEAKER_01]: He just feeds the gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way this was written from the way I was reading out of the code X was basically that the gods, if you give them enough of what they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you create enough death for corn enough, enough kind of decay for it in dergo, whatever the hell slenash wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we all know I just don't want to say it on a PG Todd guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're in for a scene just fear and confusion for a scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: They seem to almost quit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is literally actually this is big because this is knowledge.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was trying to figure out what their plans were.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all knowledge.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what happens, they get a little bit drunk from all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you can get them to give you information they would never give you otherwise.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's funny to say that I never really thought about it as much, but the cast gods are giddy teenagers sometimes, because they get excited because they are in essence an idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not adults.
[SPEAKER_02]: They only are in.
[SPEAKER_02]: They operate always on.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one thing that makes me happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to give me that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will do that thing right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as much as possible as I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aberdon realized that these chaos gods had secrets, and he wanted their secrets.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he does, he effectively feeds the chaos gods with a ton of their, on most desire, which is always just bad things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he wanted to get the coolest part of this model, but we'll continue on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he didn't foreshadow, because that's what we do with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we're not, it's still as the coolest part of this model.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, and we're not shitty about our foreshadowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We cover it in the same episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never, I never foreshadow anyone to, and see you next week, and see what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get there today.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a hidden world within the eye of terror called Irland.
[SPEAKER_01]: Irland?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Irland.
[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest thing about this is,
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a little bit of a fantasy sci-fi trope, because there's just a place where you could go, and they have all the artifacts.
[SPEAKER_02]: The hand-effect is there, everything's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the British Museum.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the best name I've ever seen is like namesaming that the British Museum that's confusing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because none of this stuff is British.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is on people's stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, early on is a hidden world in the middle of the Eye of Terror, which is technically the immaterial, where the chaos gods store their favorite toys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, this is one of those things that is, and they've done a different in a couple of the stories, but this planet is effectively, you can never find it if you want to find it unless someone lets you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, one of those dumb tropes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But whatever, I showed you, well, I'll let this one go because this is kind of a D&D trophy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is, though, he was just one of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the unfindable thing unless you succeed in the five questions, they'll allow you to find out where it exists.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he finds it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the story's cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: The story is fantastic because no, this is another thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes it complex because to get through this, I'm going to get excited here for a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just deal with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he has to literally go through the trial.
[SPEAKER_02]: So effectively, which is, he has to fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has to fight through things that he's not sure he can actually defeat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because like once it gets in there, he kind of goes, oh shit, there's more to this than the plan of the plan and pick the crap up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You learn the plan on the outside of the laboring.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we say laboring, we don't mean like, ooh, it's a corn maze.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also a planet, but it's also not a planet, because it's again in the war.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's bigger than the planet and smaller than everything you do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have no idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gigantic.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have to go through this lab and he has to get through, but he has to call it, do all these trials.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has to fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has to physically defeat things that might not be able to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the stories with it is when he does this,
[SPEAKER_02]: is he's fighting things that he was like, oh shit, can I actually do this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I, this is a little bit more, but then he also has to go through all these mental trials.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mental trials.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that, what that is actually one of them is they're, they, one of the things about the physical things is to get you to self doubt because you immediately go into mental trials right after and they want you to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: at your lowest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh shit, can I now defeat the next thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doubting myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then boom, you're slammed with all these mental temptations, but also they're trying to dominate him.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like the gods, I think really thought that we're going to give you this gift.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing, I'm definitely doing air quotes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to give you this gift and you're like, yeah, we're going to want a hundred percent break him.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll have to ask for our help.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will make him our throw during this this process.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he also, for the mention, stubborn son of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, yeah, let's say, his best trade is Abidane is like, I'm going to do this thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you could go through the door Abidane.
[SPEAKER_02]: I said I'm going through the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but there's a door right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I already committed.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, already.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot to mention he rolls down the air solo.
[SPEAKER_01]: All that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's probably solo.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's by himself fighting his way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we say fighting our way through elaborate.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not feeling dark souls type type thing where it's just, oh, the next boss harder.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are real trials where it's this present.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got a fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I have to avoid temptation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I have to solve it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're literally trying to psychically dominate him.
[SPEAKER_01]: at every turn.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are effectively fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not, he doesn't fight all four chaos gods in it, but in some way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of does though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the best thing about it is, it not even when he's fighting, they're trying to psychically.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's basically battling for his soul this entire time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he pulls it off he actually guessed the middle of middle of it and This parts a little bit done, but the the outcome's amazing He sees like there's a position basically a void in the middle so he's already in the material is a void in the middle of it and it's just imagine having almost a crack in the inner unit
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes into a black hole.
[SPEAKER_01]: He puts his arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sees a very small black hole and goes, I put my arm in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just pulls out and then reaches around inside of a hole.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I realized some of you were laughing right now and you should be.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very funny reference.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's reaching around the holes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He feels something hard and then pulls and then out pulls.
[SPEAKER_01]: to Brad's credit, the coolest sword, and all.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: It also has a world dominating demon inside of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he pulls out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But who also was a trap?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because this world dominating demon inside the sword is supposed to immediately dominate Abadad's mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Abadad's like, no, I ain't going out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't give him two bucks about this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm gonna let Brad pronounce it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it's I've ruined this since I've been I've been literally trying to say this word for twenty five years now because I've literally read index code X. Uh, sorry, code X can't as one of my first things and I've screwed up that, but his sword is dragged down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drunk Neon, Drunk Neon, and this is a sort.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a sort.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the other way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please phonetically put in and our link us in the discord or Facebook, what the act has both of us know.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, we kind of didn't look this up specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we could have it a bit more fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I also look forward to all of you trying to spell drag.
[SPEAKER_01]: on because accents also matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: He spinal taps himself with his sword.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does turn it up to eleven.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is literally this thing hits another one of the swords while the sword is amazingly game.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the lore is way worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is one of those areas where the lore and the game cannot overlap.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were to write rules for track man.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's basically he pulled out storm right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You basically can be going through like a bad and attacks and that things auto dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and also killed his soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you didn't really dice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's just happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: That just happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's wondering your general direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I got close to you with this sword, you automatically lose.
[SPEAKER_02]: They thought, but in in Lord, this sword, so this is a big deal, too, because a lot of people made him later on, a lot of people that have won against Abadon.
[SPEAKER_02]: didn't know that he's been juiced up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they end up having.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is, I mean, the notes I put here is that he's now really probably more powerful than corrupted Horace and with none of the loss of his soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he has, he's got the power up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I would go back and forth on that because Evidon waxes and lanes depending on how many gifts he receives per
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just think at this stage, I have it on one on one.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing in the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to take him one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're going to have so many people are going to lose him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a lower standpoint from a gameplay standpoint.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, the word, I saw that across one time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I'm saying from a lower standpoint, they wrote this to be he is
[SPEAKER_01]: probably on par or a little bit above Horace in power, but that doesn't matter because his soul is not corrupted, which actually makes him more powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because his powerful soul is pretty well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he had no, for real.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's actually what put happened on as one of the most powerful beings in the galaxy at this stage from this sort.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to call, I think the long story short, first black crusade A one success.
[SPEAKER_02]: They want success also the the Imperium about this time, because of course, as doing story as soon as you grab the sword, everyone finally shows up and does something about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they show up and they they attack and blah blah blah blah
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he, as Brad said earlier, they just bail out.
[SPEAKER_02]: They forced him to go, he goes, I'm pretty tired now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was going back in the war, doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what his forces were like, all right, I guess we're done here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the Imperium, just, I like the amount of these things from the Imperium standpoint, this giant invading army comes out of the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to engage, we're going to fight them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just retreat back into the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're also in the middle of beating the shit out of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're wildly winning at this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just bail.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The period has got a bit of a problem of like, oh shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: This part of the galaxy is kind of a big threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do something about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They basically made this, the DMZ.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the, but the opposite.
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of the demo, this is the, the capital MZ.
[SPEAKER_02]: They went, we need to make sure that these guys can't come through that, you know, the, the, the whole in the sky, that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to foreshadow really quickly here too.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a system with a with a plan cough cough can you write out this name.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they do want to get into the look at the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a look at the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the thing we're going to take a look at the
[SPEAKER_01]: the imperial realizes that this is not the last time this is going to come at the eye of care is going to be a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: So why don't we just put all of our military and they start fortifying I mean it's comical yeah they they do it like
[SPEAKER_02]: anime bugs bunny and skin where they just go, well, why don't we just make everything that floats in a rock, just put a gun on it and aim at the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're going to do a friend of this as we're going to do a cast in the future on a different types of worlds that exist within the thing that the Imperium
[SPEAKER_01]: But when your world's got a fortress world, your world's subtle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the thing is, it's about a fortress world.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the biggest things to say is, your world no longer has anything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: They strip your world for they literally pip your ride.
[SPEAKER_02]: They if your world had water?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't care about the water really anything here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get guns and people to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need guns and we need walls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they build a forces world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we probably should dive into Katie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Katie is going to come up when you if you talk about it, Abidon, you're going to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the things we Katie, do we want to immediately talk about the violence?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's get the kind of the history of Katie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Katie, like a lot of the key worlds in forty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, was renamed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Katie had a different name before and well, Katie wasn't exactly
[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of those, one, let's just talk about the Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because literally the entirety of the Imperium's religion is written by their devil, which is Lord God, who initiated all of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Lord God, as we covered prior, God
[SPEAKER_01]: slapped by the emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when that happened, if you guys remember from our cast, or if you didn't listen to the cast, whatever, you should.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you haven't, it's a pretty cool episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lord God was upset and decided that he needed to go find out what the
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a God, effectively?
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I worshiping you?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the truth, basically?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he ended up after kind of a little walkabout.
[SPEAKER_01]: He ended up on a planet that spoke a similar language to his planet and had this deep worship of the chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: after experiencing time on that planet, he basically gained what he called the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He became the prophet of the cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first human prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when he left that planet, he wanted to keep it a secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he bombed it from the space and wiped it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't figure out why I'm telling you that story, it's on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Katie.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, that, that is this planet that the Imperium arrives to after the first Black Crusade and resettles it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this place is super convenient.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for you, guard away, settle it here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Katie, it becomes, you know what, screw it, I'm going to give the Katie a people props.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Katie, it becomes a planet of if you're a regular human, you better be a badass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Katie is hardcore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like these people are the grittiest of grittiest dudes of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because shit is always going down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because even when there's not a crusade, stuff flies out of the broken sky and misses with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like you, you are the first nice house outside the bad neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I technically going to be the worst neighbor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The challenge is that we're not done talking about Katie a history though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we just did a little bit of history.
[SPEAKER_02]: Katie also has like sixty five million years ago history.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which, by the way, is a big deal for Katie because Necrons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's foreshadow a little bit because it's always fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Katie was also a key world for the Necrons against
[SPEAKER_02]: the old ones, because Necrons just made technology that foiled the warp, which is how advanced they were.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, when we talk about Necrons, we're going to talk about how ridiculously are in the game and how they should be, but their technology, even though they don't utilize or access at all the warp, they just science up anti warp stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is going to be the standard part of our podcast where I go on my talk should on GW writing tangent.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, according to the books and this is the lore, all over Cadia, there are thousands of pylons, which is effectively a super tall pyramid, just a super tall narrow pyramid, all over Cadia.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just so many people are kind of cool with.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't even bother.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they'd bother.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, they try to figure out what they are, but they're, I remember when I first got into Warhammer and been learning about the Pilots, I thought, oh, there's like three or four of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like this thing, like, like, you go to Egypt, there's a few pyramids, but it's not all of, like, you go to Cairo, there's no Egypt, there's a few pyramids in Cairo.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just there's an area where there's a few pyramids.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're freaking everywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: The entire planet is covered in these giant black obsidian pylons.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're hundreds of feet tall.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they also always point towards, they have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they all point at the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just exist there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone's like, yeah, yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: can't get over that, and I'm sorry, but I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also have them at more places than just cadia, but yeah, they're all the, there's feathers, but cadia has so many of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll kind of dive into those.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it is a point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a note that one of the good points here is we definitely haven't seen this.
[SPEAKER_02]: The necrons have not awakened yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is pre-nuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is way, this is pre-nuck ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they don't even know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to their credit, they don't know what these things are for.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's these giant pylons.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are some cool stories about like the ad back obviously see these and get just incredibly excited about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they can't do anything with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because every time you try to, you can't break them if you try to send a server and they just overloads it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was just saying any machinery that used against it just blew up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they are there.
[SPEAKER_01]: but I guess Katie is positioned in the universe made it better.
[SPEAKER_01]: So are we gonna get back to Katie?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's probably gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: From here, we foreshadow it earlier for anyone who doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are only thirteen cruisants so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the thing, this is one got him a sword, and also tested the testin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he wanted to see, is the Imperium still a real thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did be honest with you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because at that point, he doesn't actually know.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't know if the Imperium just collapsed.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and again, you just don't forget, he's rather persona non-grata from the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: So peek in your head out of the eye of Terry.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't do that with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's also pretty well-known.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like he just goes to the mall.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just saying, I want to like, oh, head.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the, the steep washemi meme of like, hello, other Imperium members.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's up with the Emperor?
[SPEAKER_01]: How is he doing, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Could you give me some, I don't know, maybe schematics.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have a map of where Gilliman has been lying all right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just kind of would like to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did just just wondering, just curious.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Crusades two through twelve are pretty quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not because they're all of them have
[SPEAKER_01]: missions they want to weaken certain they they either want to get something or they want to weaken they were all done with a goal a bad and again he's got one purpose I'm going to reclaim the galaxy for me and my brethren I cannot do that if the Imperium exists
[SPEAKER_01]: The imperial has me outnumbered, has me out equipped, has me out logistics.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to do these crusades, they're not their missions, to kind of pull a down piece by piece and weaken it so I can crush it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that ends up being the purpose of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, I would genuinely get bored covering all of these ten crusades.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we kind of picked a few that are fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the fourth crusade is badass.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's absurd.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're just gonna skip two and three because it's also like full on video game style.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the Don goes down to the Canadian gate himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is, oh, I do a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's made.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Canadian gate is at made of Adam Antium.
[SPEAKER_01]: because the Wolverine comet came out well before Forty Kay was written and why invent a new material when I want to have one already knows exists.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a gate made of Adam and Tim.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's made of Wolverine.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he full on an amazement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets it with one swing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But before the, and the, Brad's not given this, the story enough credit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The entire the black legion is bouncing off of this key.
[SPEAKER_01]: True story.
[SPEAKER_01]: A guard of bumpers shooting down and giggling like ha ha.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't get in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Monty.
[SPEAKER_02]: This to the North Star.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just don't be actually sums up exactly like this to the North Star.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, watch the movie.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's fantastic on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He basically does what happens in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He sends his forces.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all get killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he just shows up and goes, Hey, what if I just hit this thing with my sword and splits this unsplettable gate in half?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Needless to say, everyone in that fortress dies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Morrell went down quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't go well.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would say laugh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I mean, this is a weird thing to laugh at, but these guys are sitting above the gate just kind of giggling and shooting down like how are picking up like like twigs and then gate explodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, well, guess we're left.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So those guys are probably pretty pissed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I call dibs on the, I call dibs on losing the black legion that not Emperor's children.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to shoot myself in the way now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that one's a success.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next one I like is this is the seventh crusade.
[SPEAKER_01]: All known as go after self blood angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is funny because like, sometimes, and then you know what, I gave him credit and I said that they didn't read count as much stuff as people think they read count, especially with Don.
[SPEAKER_02]: But with this one, this one got read time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he literally just goes, hey, look at Elvis and sneaks a gigantic foresight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a bad thing, as we've said, the Imperium knows only one place a bad thing can come out of.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they built their entire fortress around it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And somehow a bad news able to do the, oh my god, look at that and sneak out of it, not by himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a hammer came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's like chips get out of there all the time, because it's, it's a, it's a large area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like he does not a fleet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he comes out with a
[SPEAKER_02]: giant fleet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just skips past the defenders.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't go anywhere, particularly of value actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sends a bounces all over the universe, creating conflict.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, some of them, you have to kind of, when you're writing a timeline, you have to kind of fill bits in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this one, the seventh crusade we first are reading, it starts off pretty lame.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's like a bad news, it's not out of the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then kind of waged a shadow world all over the place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's again, where he's testing, this time he's testing, to be honest with you, he's testing the logistics because he causes problems in a bunch of areas and just kind of goes, how long is the police response time here?
[SPEAKER_01]: But then he found Macon, Macon, Macon, Macon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, we need to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is our, sorry, but he just plays, but this does not go well for you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he, the, on Macon, the Black Legion bumps into the blood angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we said the blood angels weren't, it's not a scouting party.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the blood angels, effectively.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the,
[SPEAKER_01]: Black Legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rucks them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get Chuck Doris kicks now to the blood angels credit.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not ready for chaos because I don't think that a lot of these legions even knew they can't kind of was still around.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they thought they were defeated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were never coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been forever since they came out.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a lot of Marines that were, there's not even that many that are alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's still encounter.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true, but the blood angels found out pretty quick that the Black Legion, they're back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I love that we're at a pistol, so many blood.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just quite a single.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because the end of the story is actually wildly heroic.
[SPEAKER_02]: And let me read the notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: A single character, a little lightning ray, to turn the tide of the battle, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what GW does.
[SPEAKER_01]: The blades are being wrecked, but luckily one great hero led us a lightning assault that somehow confused the enemies that they just stopped punching us in the face over and over.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will be doing a blood age.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will do a blood age.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will do a blood age.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what happened because I don't like the stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, the blinds, it took them centuries to get back from this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got ruined by this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had their recruiting world window to withdraw.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, to their credit, they were kind of just there and going, hey, guys, the other day was at the mall and holy shit, are we being invaded?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God, it's a whole of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Any of you, let's know our podcast, know that I'm probably at some point, if I'm gonna pick something to talk about, it's gonna be the Orcs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you give me an opportunity to talk about Orcs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna talk about Orcs.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one's actually a series.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the eleventh crusade, which is pure domestic, on the part of Abadon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think he was like, hey, what will happen if we mess with the Orcs?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the answer was, shit might go bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: His idea was, what if I could navigate my way through the warp?
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of using a regular navigator, what if I just strap a demon into the navigator's seat?
[SPEAKER_01]: Won't that go great?
[SPEAKER_01]: It did not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got dropped in front of a walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like legitimately right in front of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all the crap to the Orcs wreck his wreckage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, they never talk about what they were actually trying to achieve in the eleventh crusade.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they were supposed to be doing something that didn't happen at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can promise you.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're looking at ranking good, in order of how well the crusades did, the eleventh is last.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, last.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why orcs?
[SPEAKER_01]: But to be fair, if you drop your fleet in front of the log, there's not a lot of situations.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you drop it in front of a log that you didn't know exist in, it's not the greatest fair enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, long story shortly, Levin's crusade works or better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just did log tactics interview last night by the way, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Deep Black Crusade.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the current time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's jump it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, actually, it's not even the current timeline.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's stuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's past.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is, I actually had to look this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for this is going to be a tough one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when we get into thirteenth Black Crusade, one of the biggest challenges is that we're at right around forty minute through this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: and we can't spend the next four hours or not for a four, fifty-some hours talking about the Black Crusade.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Black Crusade in the game is the culmination of all of the Crusades.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thirteen Black Crusade in the game was a little less than five years.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's about it from it's very early start.
[SPEAKER_01]: to, you know, it's culmination with the right of five years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, however, in this game timeline of real to our time was seventeen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the thirteen black crusade and I have no tier because what's going on, the reason I'm doing this little side note here for everybody is that we're going to have to skip a lot of stuff here because
[SPEAKER_01]: just because we're going to focus on an avidine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was from in the thirteenth.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was literally thirteenth edition to eighth edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the slash night edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was so the thirteenth black crusade for those who don't thirteenth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thirteenth black crusade, those are saying in during the quote in quotes, we got the jukari, the necrons, the tau ad mech.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thousands of sons, deathguard, world leaders, these are codexes that were launched.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blood angels, death watch, dark angels, a couple different times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Black Templars, Grey Knights, and Knights, all were released during the thirteenth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also have stories that involved the thirteenth, the Black States.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just multiple codexes in his period of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for those of you like, oh, they're coming through the Black Crusade.
[SPEAKER_01]: we could make a podcast on the creative process and do years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for anyone who's like, hey, you skipped something, we know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what we decide to focus on here is the Abadan story.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, kind of run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, just what he did, not everything that's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to, and let me, one, we already talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: He needs to,
[SPEAKER_02]: kick out the Emperor, because no Emperor means an Oesteron account, which means no travel for the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he means to effectively start isolating and picking apart flanks of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the best way to do that
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can always break the sky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Much is break the sky.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even know that mode.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, I made here as Katie a Mustang.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I, did I skip that?
[SPEAKER_02]: My bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hold, so Abidon hasn't been like super, so he's been decently successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he still Katie is a thorn in his side.
[SPEAKER_02]: Holy shit, Abidon shows up with, hey, man, why don't we just make our ships bigger?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how much bigger?
[SPEAKER_02]: How about like we like make planet seem small?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or, and more importantly, have an eye invade with everything in the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they'll have everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but also again, he came out with ships with guns that just were supposed to blow a planets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When Blackstone fortresses are the small things that you're bringing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if this was an invasion of invasions, some cool piece of nuts, when we say he brought everybody, he literally brought everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got, he killed all of the anger on his champions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, he does, he doesn't much a pre-quest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: He kills all of the anger on his champions.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gives, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: But here at the end of darkness, I should probably have the notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does a bunch of weird shit with Fulgram.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I couldn't, that's, that's the these stories are just confusing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're supposed to be the, the these stories are time travel stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if they're a little bit weird, but he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, he goes back and forth and he, he legitimately does, it's not considered time travel.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is because it's warped time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so this is where, like, so he gets
[SPEAKER_01]: Those people who played during this edition, this is why you were able to actually align random forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: It had some downsides in the later part of the edition of Taunar.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, a Taunar side of Taunar.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what you were able to do was the idea here at this point was that chaos was
[SPEAKER_01]: a truly unified force.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were having, you know, uh, noise Marines are fighting next to play Marines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next to Legionnaires.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was, this was a true fighting force.
[SPEAKER_01]: He came out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Goal here, he had, was to break.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he
[SPEAKER_01]: questions, Katie.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should probably jump now from our earlier foreshadow to foreshadow part two of the Katie and pilot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he, he, background, background, Abidon basically gets one of the Zeech gifts he gets is knowledge.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he finds out what these pilots are, what they're made of, what they're actual true purposes.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is effectively to keep cast out, to keep the warp out of the inventory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the story I was really about, it's kind of, I mean, it's another story.
[SPEAKER_01]: The inference I made on the story here is that every time Abadon came out of the eye of terror with his forces, he always bounced when he hit Katie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason he bounced is because cavea was immune to the warp.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of his powers just would dissipate, so he became much more one-on-one there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And with the Imperial defenses, it's an Imperial fortress world.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably designed by Rogoldorn.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not something you're gonna break easily.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now imagine you go in there at a hundred percent power and you land at fifty percent power.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just gonna wreck you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, and so these pylons did that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one knew this.
[SPEAKER_01]: These were just even like the imperiumers like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just super lucky.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is easy to get.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets the knowledge of what the hell this is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the quest was he went and got black stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what happens is Kate is not only is it making them bounce when they attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the eye of terror, as we discussed, this comes from the birth of slenash.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slenash, this is the creation of a chaos god.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the ultimate kind of merging of the material and the immaterial.
[SPEAKER_01]: function if you have to go Google and map of this era.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that big.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why it's Katie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Katie, these, the, the, this thing could have, was should have been growing the entire time was held in check by Katie.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Abba doesn't know that and decides why these are doing data galaxy if I have more than one way in.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about I destroy it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's just remove it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the note I added here, I've gotten decided to use option B for this place and the B stands for Blackstone Fortress.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these are the weirdest combo of tech and warp because Blackstone is, suppresses warp, but somehow he has it cybernetically.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here this is, I felt it when just Google this because I can't describe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: These ships are actually super cool looking.
[SPEAKER_01]: The visuals with ships are amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And giant wacky space stations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they look super cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Google, I don't want to spend twenty minutes trying to explain something where you can
[SPEAKER_02]: But they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Blacks or Fortress are awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're super cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, Eldron had to be retcon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Game two, but we'll get to that in another cast also.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to buy a box and you get one for the old boxes on eBay, the blackstone black reach box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Black and two was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: So much stuff for the price.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the, the final story of Blackstone Fortress is our, everyone's aware of the appearing finds them all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just turn them into space station.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just don't really know what they aren't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't know the significance of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're literally, it's like if you literally went, hey, I found a nuclear missile.
[SPEAKER_02]: I put some wheels on it and I put an engine and I just drive it around because they don't describe the or mega truck structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's literally when a Northwood dude like this is my new ride.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What else do you crash it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I won't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is my I was waiting to this part because this is probably my favorite part of the notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Evident on one of them for themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: He tracked down six of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eldar felt differently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: As much as the Imperium might not know if Blackstone fortresses are, the Eldar theory much so new with these things were.
[SPEAKER_02]: The guys that literally fought a race ending war with them with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Blackstone fortresses really are as they make their be by the old ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: These were, these were the, they were the, I don't, they never make it clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: But my impression is that these were spaceships the old ones used
[SPEAKER_01]: during the war in heaven.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're, they're saying there's such a paradox though, because they're made of a non-warped metal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're controlled by psychic politics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they don't diminish the warped all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird, because blacks don't should go one where it's this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, let's say, and it's, it's suppresses it, but it doesn't suppress it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really terrified.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you go into the screen of the podcast and it's fine that I just should talk everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden, I'll sign up for events in BCP and just not be invited anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is shit right, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he does eventually pull off two of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of them becomes his flagship.
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs the will of eternity.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he does legend by the way, read these stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this is the beauty of having seventeen years of the game devoted to it, the writing's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we just sort of, the books are good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the codex story, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Quotex stories are amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Blackstone Forge.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's actually a lot of videos on this too.
[SPEAKER_02]: People do a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Take a lot of the artwork and do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you can just YouTube it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, don't leave us yet, but yeah, but it's pretty odd.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just a kind of while this is all going on because seventeen years of the game, the orcs are sensing something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're getting up and this is the first from the town breaking with the town.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they've, they start, they do their phase four.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know why so that you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the towel basically started their last big push.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you've got and you've got two sections of town.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you've got the far side in place.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you've got Chattasun and the rest of the towel doing their next push.
[SPEAKER_02]: Drakari start just getting
[SPEAKER_01]: Roddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, blaring out of the worst.
[SPEAKER_02]: The jacari are just taking advantage of the fact that people are not paying attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, well, we can fight as unfair as we usually fight, but even better, grab lots of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: The two big ones, though, are.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not two big ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're huge ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're like, these are kind of game-changing ones are the neck runs.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Necrone start rising and start reclaiming entire sectors of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, hey, this is our shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, a lot of these worlds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, the Necrone's are very deep within the core of the world's and just pop up and you're just standing there at your job going
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this is pretty awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this, there's a monolith coming out of the ground and these robots are coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God wrote that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the other one is now the tyrannid timelines always a little bit, sure you guys been redconned.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think several times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I personally, I think you're, I think the tyrannid talent been redconned more than anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is, I think that you're really pushing into little vioff and almost right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, we're, we're before this, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's this, this would be pre-leviant.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get the first, because they accelerate after.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because this, the liviant is actually coming towards the souls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where they're going.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're coming from the bottom, but there's two big ways of changing of, uh, turn into visions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and then you've got this, the, I guess you can call for third, which is the Kronos, which is the one that just becomes anti-waves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So effectively,
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, this is this actually is good writing.
[SPEAKER_01]: GW was because I wrote the galaxy on fire of a galaxy is a trash for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a nightmare you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you were in period, you just got to end bosses showed up at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the ultimate optional boss, which is chaos, which is you have to do after you complete the game once this when you fight it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just decided to make their big push and oh, yeah, you still have works and tile and jacari and craft order still the enemy to the Imperium, even though they're trying to fight chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a weird part of the story where they aligned and I'm going to cover that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll get then to what actually happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: And kind of this is this is the final assault.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what's going to bring us from where we were to the modern era of forty k.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a bad and we're going for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am coming out of the eye of Tara.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Imperium knew he was coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're actually the all stories do show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Typhus was doing his thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's enough stuff coming out of the eye.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where if you want to be because I said at the beginning, more chair heard there.
[SPEAKER_02]: grandfather Nergal was at his lowest at the beginning where we're talking about grandfather Nergal is at his most powerful right now because they have the plague that's ravaging huge areas of the galaxy and it is wrecking shit and so they know they're supposed to be geared up this is one of those things where you think you're ready and then you just realize you're woefully unprepared because they think that they're getting
[SPEAKER_02]: the crusades and the fights they've gotten before, but this is Abadon's end game.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he shows up with...
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone like literally every one and they are I mean, and this is again, we have to it's so hard to cover all this nightboards are running right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that you put nightloids were night learning, which means that they're just causing shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just just reading habit.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are plagues everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they also sent the forces of Nergal are actually by themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: The galaxy grave happens to take the draw forces there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've also, as we said, the Xenociris, and so if you're the Imperium, you're losing sectors to the Necrons, who can aren't invading, they're coming up out of the actual planets.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't even stop them coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're just there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe Ball has blah, ball burn well before this point, but the tyrannization is very apparent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the students are ramping it up because the students have been fought back several times now, but the students are now basically doing what the students do, which is adapting and coming back much stronger.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a bad and comes out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is there and this is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cadia is going to fall.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kidney doesn't fall, Kidney gets ruined.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, one person we can't talk about the fall of Kadia without talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't realize I'll be asked, I didn't have his full name, was Lord Castellan, Ursarkar E. Creed.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, if you're going to name someone, why have the random initial amongst four other words?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Lord Castellan has a title.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sign up, but Ursarkar E, we just Edward.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know your British.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know his names Edward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's, you know what's Eunice?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be Edward, they're British.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please a badass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, Creed is, through those of you who don't play Imperial Guard, when they finally killed off Creed, spoiler alert,
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually really obsessed a lot of his kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of guard players because he was such an amazing character.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's been there since the beginning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Creed's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to quick hit Creed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Creed is a it was a low-born who was a who was found after one of the chaos invasion of Katie's born on Katie who writes through the ranks by just being the best fighter and all of the instrumental.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's also just like, the guy that ends up being the guy that's alive after everybody dies several times.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's incredible because he is, he's not only is he a incredibly tough soldier, he's a master technique, a tactician, love doing traps, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no one better to be in charge of Cadia than Cree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cree does push back a bad and forces quite a few times.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are going to say, soler Maccarious is going to show up and slap you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Creed's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he had this dollar.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, this is my least favorite party in notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, but it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot what Brad's upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're getting a part of my note set.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know I Brad's upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been on comes out with his blackstone fortress and all of his forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's able to, his plan is to basically take all the blackstone fortresses guns and just blow up King.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, the Blackstone Fortress again are like, they with the Death Star cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna mount that gun as one of our guns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, however, and Brad, what am I don't say?
[SPEAKER_02]: My buddies, the Imperial Fist, said other ideas.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's another super, super spaceship in the galaxy called the failings.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I have to admit that the failings are bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Felix, as we discussed prior, there was an error called a dark age of technology, which is all forbidden knowledge, everything should be burned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unless you find the largest starship in the galaxy, it's wildly the biggest.
[SPEAKER_01]: This thing, my description of it is it's bigger than a Death Star, but it's built like a Gothic cathedral.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it has, oh, it's got some guns on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It also looks cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, Google it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called the failanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's type of PH, A, L, A, and X, Forty K. You'll see something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely to a Forty K, or you're going to be looking at a lot of Greek formations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was yet wise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are they telling me to look at guys holding spirits?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, different failanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: down to make Brad happy again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The way this works is Blackstone Fortress comes out and who decides to go in.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll those wagons, space wolves go, what would be the best way to handle this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Punch people inside the Blackstone Fortress go into the Blackstone Fortress and turn it shields off.
[SPEAKER_02]: healing.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's our plan to get out?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a stupid question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shut up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Punch everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shut up nerd.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They actually fight their way through the Blackstone Fortress to, I guess, the big on-off switch in the middle of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, whatever, Obi-Wan did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just going to say there's definitely no handrails.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, you know, handrails.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's so bummed about all these shifts.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's second.
[SPEAKER_01]: They turn off the shields.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they throw the shields.
[SPEAKER_01]: The failanks just goes with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ripping this thing of shreds and a bad and ship just takes up.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is also an epic, but we're not doing this justice.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is shit going down.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, I mean, this is the culmination of everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more than is maybe the most important battle of the forty-k history.
[SPEAKER_02]: Besides the assault on Tara, this is
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the, I mean, this is a huge battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the difference is the salt and terror, there's a lot more involved here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the difference with two of them is at this moment, almost the entire galaxy is involved in this one battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there's more, there are necrons on media, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Activate the pilots.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am, I mean, basically, you guys read the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's, there's just so much happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's out there here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the L-D-R are fighting next to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trads right here right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Necrons are on the planet with the imperial trying to activate the pile on stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is you are on ticking ticking bomb of the clock is running down quick and everyone's trying to save the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really cool story.
[SPEAKER_01]: From a badness perspective, he's always big big ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: He shields get turned off by Team Jagas.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, go.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's Jagas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go wolves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the biggest starship, anyone's ever seen, just blasting holes in his favorite ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, but again, a badman doesn't lose.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my plan is destroyed, Katie.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you mess with my plan A, my plan B, which was Black Sun Fortress now becomes a plan B. They go bigger, go home.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to shove my Black Sun Fortress into Katie.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a fairly brisk rate of speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He accelerates to warp speed, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: He definitely goes flat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And launches himself in Decadia, which breaks the planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what, well, what's on the planet?
[SPEAKER_01]: What was on the planet?
[SPEAKER_02]: True story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pile last night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, in the best part about this is, and this is why I think he starts winning the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was going to win the day anyways.
[SPEAKER_02]: He answered huge force.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that the rest and he no one else knows the significance besides the necrons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of the pile.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I keep having to backtrack this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eldrade, the necrons.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It depends which book you read at which time it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: True story.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for the most part, no one understands how important Katie was.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine nine nine percent of the oxy just is like, oh, it's just a community because once these pilons are gone, it is go time for the eye of terror because the eye of tear goes
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to be way bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: This would be awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the eye of terror because it was kind of shaped like an eye.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a rift.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, somewhat oblonged circle and one side of the galaxy that over the coming months stretches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it blows it across the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It literally cuts the galaxy in half.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a it is now a
[SPEAKER_02]: huge eye.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it becomes a long.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big eye and struck me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Google it and then stretches all across the galaxy splitting it in half.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is really critical for one simple reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Abadan is waging his wars out of the war.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now he went from a small place.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's literally going from a door to an infinite amount of places he could come.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: anywhere now, basically, which there are no in peace.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, there's no imperial fortress holding him at bay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to show up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he has literally, you go, hey, where's he going to start his attack?
[SPEAKER_02]: You go from one side of the galaxy of the other, because that's how big the rift is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes cuts in in half.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a big deal on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so from there, this was the point we decided, we were going to cut a cut the story, which takes us right to, is this the start of eighth edition?
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where we start doing arcs and everything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so we got, you know, Primera's Space Marines, which people already hit, miss out on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me say that word.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is where, this thing is the way I call almost a modern version of Forty Kay, mostly because it was,
[SPEAKER_01]: Seventeen years of the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is actually for people that are liking that are big in the lore myself included obviously.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is very exciting because this is the first time in almost twenty years that we moved the storyline.
[SPEAKER_01]: four we actually should point out this all happened in the year forty thousand nine hundred ninety nine ninety yep we are now technically playing warhammer forty one kid yep the new addition has moved us through but we're not remaming because that's just dumb
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing about this, this is just exciting because we finally pushed the storyline forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to get GW props, they're doing a great job of moving the storyline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're actually doing it much more aggressively now and getting places.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not just stuck in the endless thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just to kind of recap the last three episodes, we started with a bad and was born.
[SPEAKER_01]: just a civil warlord in a shitty plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't plan it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rose up to the ranks of the most powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was the most powerful legion in the Imperium is at the right hand as that legion in the buckler's turn chaos, loses his way completely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like his will, his will to live.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not this will live.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's his direction of the purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has no rudder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then, in our second cast, we just covered how he then refound himself, reinvigorated himself and created a new legion out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's when he became Abba Dawn.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're showing what he then, how he shaped the universe was from here.
[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, it was his universe to shape and he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: He shaped the universe and broke it in half.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope you guys enjoyed that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it was easy enough to follow after some, as we kind of, I will call it, look, it's not dark, dark, but a little bit dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have fun next one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do road traders because Brad and I have been discussing what we, we don't want to just be telling you guys stories because you can did buy a book and read a damn book.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do a bit more kind of quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're also going to argue a bunch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was looking at these notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was last night where I was getting ready for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to have fun with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, new websites up the forty klorcast.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be adding more stuff to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does help us quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: We now, we have the Discord, which is gaining a bit more traction, more people are interacting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just putting some more stuff up there in the coming future.
[SPEAKER_01]: For those of you who love my incredible ability to audio edit, we have actually added a Patreon.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do want to upgrade from our current system of two microphones I bought on Amazon in my basement to something that maybe has audio editing capabilities.
[SPEAKER_02]: Too dope, brother isn't a microphone, so I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's no.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, have you had those things up?
[SPEAKER_01]: All the links are in the show notes, but please come through the most important pieces of the interaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do want you guys interacting with us, the discord seems to be the most popular of these.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really does help a lot if you for future, because we're planning a lot of the future based on a lot of everybody asking us things to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: With all that, this is John Varsati and Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you next week.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.