[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K. Lorcast with me, John Barside and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to part two of our coverage of a badm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we begin, when it runs again, bite you all to our new web page, the Forty K. Lorcast.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: Swing through.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got all the links on that to our Discord, Facebook, Brad's coaching courses, Brad's Facebook page, because I just decided to link that into there for no reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good luck stealing it from him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's worth nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll see you can easily steal it from them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know my best.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the password password?
[SPEAKER_00]: The cookie guest.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guest of one.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have three or three author of the hackers.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're trying to use that as a nice little repository for things going forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're starting to have some decent discussion in the discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which I'm pretty excited about because as we move on, we've got a pretty big, here's where we're going.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be effectively going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the most popular thing that people ask and this going stuff like that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because here's what we could cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seven hundred eighty two thousand billion million gazillion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a word?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of those were.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot of episodes we could cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Forty K universe is a. Oh, yeah, infinite.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a we even aside from covering factions.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some Brad and I've discussed like the areas we want to jump into just type out the day to day life of
[SPEAKER_00]: of the Imperium Citizen of an Eldari name it is a lot of a tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go into more and more name characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the name characters have great and we did last episode where we brought up some of the books and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these characters have been fleshed out over the last
[SPEAKER_01]: Ten years, I think they've really pushed the books.
[SPEAKER_00]: And somebody that sucks are incredible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just read nothing to go to talk about today.
[SPEAKER_00]: God's ghosts.
[SPEAKER_00]: God's ghosts, uh, airmods.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are insanely well written books with great storylines.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they make the characters so much more fleshed out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be honest with you, I enjoy, in the game, putting some of my favorite characters out that have great lore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, I mean, I actually have been honest, like, as we've been playing that doing this cast and I've been playing, I have been noticing I'm writing stuff with a lot more lore characters in it, just because it's like, I'm going to go three and two anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm as well enjoying it, who cares?
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's, we really want to drive the discord.
[SPEAKER_00]: We launched the website because it actually gives us a few more options around interaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can actually, we can build a page on there for comments and section.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just gives us a bit more freedom to do some more things with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can put polls on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying, can I haven't done any of these things, but the website's also existed this point for a week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we're still getting there, but I do invite you all to go there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could give us feedback what you'd like to see on the page because the page is literally in its infancy right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we can put anything you want within reason with our technological means.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we also did add a Patreon to this cast right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be perfectly honest with the Patreon.
[SPEAKER_00]: We will never put any part of this behind the paywall.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Patreon was simply a people have been making comments about my ability to do audio video at my audio editing and they're all correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: We would like to maybe upgrade from microphones.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bought on Amazon recorded in my basement.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're never going to a studio, but at least upgrade the equipment and possibly able to pay someone to do some of this audio editing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't blow your ear drums out when I lean forward and laugh at what a Brad's jokes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, super sorry about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to make that stuff better and ending with both of us are sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just one of these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all that did to throw the hardcore that we're doing right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of drinking a bottle of wine, we're drinking hot tea right now because we both got quite sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you saw her in the last episode, there was some hard cuts that are probably still going to happen on this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those blowing coughing in the circuit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the show must go on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, speaking of people being sick, who?
[SPEAKER_00]: Legion's a cast are doing real well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we left the last in cast with a baton has abandoned his legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't just abandon them like, oh, you guys are good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me go take a walk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: He dropped them off in the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also basically said, Hey, could you check the tire pressure?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's one of the tires is flat and he drove away.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the situation as this stands right now is what remains of the sons of Horace are in the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: A baton is nowhere to be seen like long gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's nowhere to be seen for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what we're about to talk about here is not a year or two.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is and it's also
[SPEAKER_01]: warp time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is somewhere between years and hundreds of years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's because it's warp time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really gets a little bit weird what we're going to go through here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there is there's a linear progression to it, but the length of time it takes is it's all basically by the by the eye of the beholder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the kind of recap this.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sons of Horace were effectively the first of the trailers to hit, to get back to the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, because they had to be like doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, some of them stop through some drivers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were some stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But over time, everyone arrives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them arrive if they lot of extras.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ember's children being a boom.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually found this funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: So one thing I do find humorous is when
[SPEAKER_00]: The heresy has caught up with concluded.
[SPEAKER_00]: The age of, what's it called, the age of revenge begins.
[SPEAKER_00]: The number one target for the space-moving chapters, which is of course the Imperial Military, is the sons of horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you were to ask the citizenry of the Imperium, who the number one legion they would like murdered would be, it was ever a sheltered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fishers and buttholes is not the greatest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also the fact that you're like, Hey, man, should I have died a while ago?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you're in the war.
[SPEAKER_00]: But here in the war, right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the emperor's children decided to just grab.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, every person they could find and bring them with them back to the that I have terror for party time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're feeling what you did this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the world leaders did some of this thousands that said, I know where you're grabbing the shit out of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they grabbed a lot of people for
[SPEAKER_00]: actual logistics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were actually going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we meet when to load our chefs to build munitions and the emperor's children were like, yeah, but we also could torture them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, yeah, but they die like, yeah, a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, at this point in time, though, the legions, because chaos, I don't know if you guys know what chaos is, it's not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not order.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the chaos legions start to have insinuous whisperings because the four chaos gods are always, any, always fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just a period.
[SPEAKER_00]: The four chaos gods hate the Emperor second to each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they want
[SPEAKER_01]: their patron, their patrons want their peoples, their allegiance to fight the other ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we should we're better than them.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should get rid of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they start in all out free for all the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we get a new type of combat, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, oh yeah, remember when the laws of physics don't always work because you're half in half out of the warp, that's the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we get some wacky wars, and it starts to get pretty crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the sons of horse, Luna Wolves, Black Legion, are getting ruined in this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the issue is effectively, you've got tough tears of power.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we said, the everyone's children are the most powerful, because they did a couple things.
[SPEAKER_00]: First off, they bailed the siege of terror and his wet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what if instead of fighting,
[SPEAKER_00]: the entirety of the Imperial Military, we just go down the street and to the apartment complexes and just grab, they went to the cabin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we go to the cabin, just grabbed everyone who's everybody folding in T-shirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then on the way home, we're gonna stop off at every single like roadside gas station and grab all them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're sitting in the warp with this just, they didn't take the level of loss as a lot of the other ones did.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fairly, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're, and they're single for this giant swath of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're also probably the most chaos at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get a lot of people have been corrupted more over, I mean, deaf guard, but they're, they're all.
[SPEAKER_00]: That guard's different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That deaf guard are just, they're just, but these guys aren't fractured yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're also wildly into chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Fulgram did a good job in that.
[SPEAKER_01]: his opera of death is barely of death.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he, uh, he cleaned out everybody that wasn't just straight crazy person.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they are just wrecking shop, but you also, of course, have world years.
[SPEAKER_00]: You even have thousands of songs.
[SPEAKER_00]: The songs that's actually been there for a little bit, cause they really are quite broken.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we haven't got cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's actually happened was kind of cool, but this war is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just the factions fighting each other, but even within the fact, we said, the chaos gods, just they like to fill a gap of leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you've got numerous factions back there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just becomes war bands.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what it's just the the the irony of me saying the eye of terror has descended to anarchy really I don't think it descended that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was it was it was it maybe a small not for a lot of us played that a play the game home.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the hope that there's some old timers out there for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like this is what Cass was based on.
[SPEAKER_01]: We used to make an army in Forty K. was a Cass war man.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are a group led by a personality.
[SPEAKER_01]: You basically said you've got some ideas, Ted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in and he grabbed
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why you used to see a lot of non-legion armies, because they would just take everything that they could get.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, and rock from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the reason not because they're rules to be super broken if you cross over multiple.
[SPEAKER_01]: A thousand percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm divided lower in my friend than you could bring zirkers, plague Marines, noise Marines.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm all like, like, I'd like how well you were sure coding that, but I was like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's because it was broken as all help.
[SPEAKER_00]: cast blackbook.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a fun edition, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is, we've gotten notes on this that a lot of the legions aligned to their God, but there's several legions that didn't have a God.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the
[SPEAKER_01]: either worship all of them or none of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like word bear's, for instance, all equally.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just like, I want the full buffet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have people like the iron warriors, which just did deals that tried to give them a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was just whatever I can get, I will take kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course you had
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, world leaders don't even know they're corn worshipers, but they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: But more, most of them are, he's the sons of horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sons of horse, horse was beholden to all four chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please, the champion of
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he broke apart those chaos gods, they didn't really, they, in fact, I think their leech was maybe one of the biggest targets because it was this piece of, well, who's going to get it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're getting just bombarded in different and cathens are going to different chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they've also lost every single because the fact that the dawn's gone and because of everything that happened during the heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: the what top eight guys are all dead or all dead are gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have like, hey man, who's next in the line?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, we never thought it would get this far.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one knows what they was next in in line because it's just we lost everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so what's going to happen now is you've got, I mean, the emperors children are going to go back to the second.
[SPEAKER_00]: What you have is infighting within the eye of terror where everyone is trying to get a leg up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you've got factions and good like Emperor's children who don't really like a fair fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not corn.
[SPEAKER_00]: They want it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They like picking off the week and then exploiting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what you have going on right now really well is we talk about the week is
[SPEAKER_00]: The sons of Horace are quite weak and they decide this is who we're going after and the sons of Horace and they're not the only ones with this everyone basically targets the sons of Horace.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're also splintered too.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're not like it's not like a wear leaderless, but they're leaderless and
[SPEAKER_01]: in the small roving bands compared to everybody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're just getting jacked like pretty super jacked to be honest with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what the sons of Horace decide is only one thing they can do and that is build a giant fortress and just protect ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they build it as giant fortress in the middle of the eye of
[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of gives him the field of dreams thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the rest of the sons of Horace start just coming there because they're tired of getting their asses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, everybody's kind of in the also have to be fab.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have a little of the, hey man, remember when like shit went bad and you guys were at fault?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And no one can stop me from bullying you right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's your fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's your fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the one mistake, whatever they did there, was they decided to entomb Horace's body in this fortress because they were looking for a God to worship as well and they selected Horace.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the sons of Horace are now worshiping Horace's body in the middle of this fortress.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like a good idea, you want to come get us, then you're going to get through all of our defenses, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: issue with that is a certain member of the Emperor's children, named Fabius Bile.
[SPEAKER_01]: With Georgian?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got some stuff on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I do want to kind of take a little note about Fabius Bile.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fabius was the chief apothecary of the Emperor's children.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he was already doing weird shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you take an apothecary and you put him on the side of Slanesh,
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not, put it this, you're gonna, well, let's just go for how weird he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The dark elder come to Fabius Bial for some of his creation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's, it's back and forth between the obvious Bial is.
[SPEAKER_00]: creepy, like really creepy, but he's also very powerful within this Legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's super creepy, but he's also a genius.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, he's incredibly smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not just a random, like, like, no, he isn't wacky.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is an awful mad scientist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: With, he's got means, he's got intellect, and he has zero morals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Negative roles.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he decides that what they need to really overcut it for the trailer lead just to come back up and go take it to the Imperium is they need a new leader.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so why make a new one, we can just have the old one again and decide I'm going to clone horse originally kind of wanted to Frankenstein horse, but yeah, but he decides to clone horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, if you want to clone someone, really helps to have their body.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know who has their body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know who has their body.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he leads this force that just wreck shop.
[SPEAKER_01]: True.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, he gets the body.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does some stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're going to get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry.
[SPEAKER_00]: As always, I don't foreshadow, and then leave it for the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: You all, those who know the story know where we're going, those don't know the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just completely run through the impression that the sun's a horse and actually end up killing most of the other remaining sun's a horse in this process.
[SPEAKER_00]: This has happened and now whatever's left of the sons of Horace are just fractured and waiting to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: These few remaining guys realized, well, we're just out of options and they do a Hail Mary.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Hail Mary is what if we just kind of put out a call to all the people we were friends with, forget Legion, just a cross Legion and see if we can put somebody together here because we don't know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: It's again, you'll expect to understand before a badminton, but not just badminton, the black legion actually have a lot of honorable history here.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are sergeants, captains, soldiers who are members of what are now falling legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys, they were traders, now they're falling to chaos and they're going
[SPEAKER_00]: all your stress may tell us island and they begin building this let's fighting force that's going to sit there and all right well effectively the starts of a new legion it is coming from this one of the key ones is k on who is actually a thousand sunstar yeah who is now independent again
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always found the thousands on the fall of chaos interesting, because yes, it loves like a power.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's no question there, but in my mind, in reading the books, it's always one of the more intelligent legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that they would go to the eyes and the thirst for knowledge, but it's also the God of deception.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels, it feels to me like of all the legions who had resist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the least resistance to chaos to me is very obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're just like, this is awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing change in my daily life between no chaos and full chaos, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was found that the fall of the thousands sons to be interesting because they really were, they were nerds for lack of a better phrase.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were kind of the nerds of the space marines.
[SPEAKER_00]: They liked to read books.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were looking for old scrolls, they loved knowledge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they fell to the god of deceit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but they were pushed a little bit because part of the the the the the the god of the sea and then the space will show now was based with push them into that and that hold will get me wrong but right about the time where they are like yellow swagants yeah we're breaking your world
[SPEAKER_00]: But don't forget that thousands of sons didn't agree to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was only, it was Araman and Magnus, who led them all like, who gave their souls away.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, yeah, he said, I'm not surprised that that the thousands of sons, maybe the thousands were like, hey, yeah, I'm gonna bail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm out like this is stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, Kenyans, one of the key ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, but he's not alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: He finds members of emperors, children, world leaders, you know, even, um, word there, et cetera, et cetera, who are all just now.
[SPEAKER_00]: also stuck in the eye of terror, because if I get just be, you can't really go back to the imperium and say, hey guys, I'm actually not with those dudes anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we hang out like when you have the lion and lemon just waiting outside the eye of terror going?
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys aren't really understanding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're not, you don't get to heal them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of that you appear they shoot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a complicated system.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're stuck.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we have to form a new leachin.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he can actually does some wacky things because
[SPEAKER_01]: They effectively fight multiple people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they go, are you about done?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: We be friends now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or at least people that will kill other people together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I just, my story is really fun and cool as we kind of dive through it.
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that they end up doing though is they capture a word bearer priest.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by capture, I told you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna say, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The industry surrendered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Has will go away on the phone and surrendered.
[SPEAKER_00]: He tells them that he knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has no business right knowing where this is, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course not, but he knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: The word bears over the course of the lore have just turned into like, shaman in eighties action movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just the guy in a video game where you meet and he's like, yeah, the thing you want is over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't ever leave this place.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's actually a better description.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like he literally has the the exclamation point over his side for a deep quest given.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they decide to go get the mental spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in a big deal, when you're going to talk to Abadon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Continue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to tease Brad about what I'm going to interrupt with that second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to do with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the they effectively say that they're going to go find the vegetable spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to kill the emperor's children holding their dead primar.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a big asterisk all over the place because when they meet the dawn, the dawn's on his vision quest.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like thirty of them, too, but the part of this that I just I hate is so that they're all meeting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the super secret meeting, they've got this wordbarer priest who tells them where to go and involves this story that's got to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: The in order to get there, they're going to have to do like they're going to be darting all through the eye of they literally go on a D&D adventure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going through places that no one has ever been within the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as they're forming this plan, of course, a giant emperors, children, fleets, appears out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I literally wrote those in blood, shitty GW writing, because this isn't even clever writing, where it's like, hey, we've got a plan, aren't I?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, we're under our time.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just jump into a Webby Gate that happens to be under a manhole cover.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so they make this whole thing about
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just shooting on a book that you all should read, I'm sorry, but actually it's a cool story, but it's a cool story, but it's like they have this really great meeting, they have a plan, they realize they actually have a chance to re-line the lead gen, create something new, and suddenly of course out of nowhere, we get attacked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that's always what happens and they're gonna lose the fight because oh We're so I mean they actually call out that they're so outmatched that they're entire like their entire fleet would lose to one of the ships that showed up let alone the whole skew of them But luckily one guy one special guy figures out a trick and actually tricks what I call
[SPEAKER_00]: because they actually do end up, they discover a web way gate.
[SPEAKER_00]: They end up using a destroyed web way gate because they are, of course, in the format held our home world.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that helps them jump around the galaxy and avoid the emperors' children.
[SPEAKER_00]: That part's kind of cool, but the whole surprise attack thing by a fleet.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was, we're so overmatched.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so we're magically had seven dudes with eight, seven dudes with you and they got attacked by the entire British.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the actual number?
[SPEAKER_01]: They have, like, a ludicrously small number.
[SPEAKER_00]: As they're doing this, let's kind of drop jump into Abidon.
[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of where he's at mentally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then because Abidon does the whole wandering through the desert being tempted by the gods.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Abidon is literally wandering around on a vision quest every single casket.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of them are taking turns basically trying to make him their champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can take back over the impure him.
[SPEAKER_01]: You will succeed where Horace failed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just accept me as your patron.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will give you the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the dawn turns them down over and over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they go from
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what they go from carrot to the stick and go, well, we will make your life miserable.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: You will fail at everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be lost in the war.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never do anything without us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they, effectively, psychologically attack him, multiple times.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also put him in scenarios and try to show him all the failures in his life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they tell him about his leg, they actually tell him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's his kind of getting ready about the fact that the sons of Horace are getting destroyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's his fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything was his fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: He abandoned his leg and he abandoned his brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's how could you do that your week?
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's actually some powering about and through all this is he's just lost mentally on all this stuff and just doesn't want to commit to anything because the thing I really want to hope on again, I'm keep doing this is a bad never wanted power to think.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was never part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: His goal was to actually be part of something.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just wanted to be part of something big, it's been powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all he ended up doing was he left a world of warlords killing each other, a world of warlords killing each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Galaxy of it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's exactly where he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he does have one thing that he realizes he loves more than anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is victory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's victory and the thing is he wants victory, but he wants it in his terms.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he thought the biggest failing of where Horace was weak was Horace became a puppet of the gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he effectively declared multiple times to be honest with you, multiple stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will never be.
[SPEAKER_01]: a puppet of the gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, that's why he's still to this day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a, a primer, not a public friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is technically still.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is just a juist of human days.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's your stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, is that to this day foreshadding for everything during day, he just refuses to be the champion of any one God or even just accept all the, he gets powers and he gets influence from them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he is in essence still just him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's it all came from this era where he's wandering around resisting them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But eventually, while during his wandering around, a bunch of dudes show up on his ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: who are pretty damn lost and they're super happy to found the vengeful spirit and they stumble upon a very
[SPEAKER_00]: different looking, well, first of all, no top not.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the most important piece of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, they, they arrived on the bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for the first time, no, no, no, no dumb top not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He literally, the beginning of the story of the Black Legion Jones, like, definitely top not.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're starting off with no top not.
[SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It comes back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is literally, all I can think of is mega mind when they go, just when he's got the beard he wants to show him these playing.
[SPEAKER_01]: his banjo or whatever, that's basically how they find Abadan.
[SPEAKER_01]: With just uncapped beard, trying to tell him that he's now off.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to play folk music the rest of his life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've started a band as I'm a one person four piece band.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't want to hear it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Don wants to before he starts his long warm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really want to do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: He again wants to folk music.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they tell him about the fact that the Emperor's children stole the body and he gets the
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They stole.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did what?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to clone it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a my goddamn watch.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Don goes from I had thought maybe if I ever get done, you know, with my folk music career, then I could get back to doing stuff too.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: All you idiots.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're now doing what I say getting the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, like now now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just
[SPEAKER_01]: basically explains, yeah, maybe we'll all the way over.
[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of gives him his new manifesto.
[SPEAKER_01]: He literally just goes, we are going to start a new war.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's offer a war.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't call it a final war because it's not that reference is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he's going, we're doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his biggest piece is that Horace failed because he was short-sighted in his goals.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now I'm not doing that, and we're going to, I mean, at the line I like, it's actually, there's a very good quote in the book, and I don't feel like stealing it because of basic human decency.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the gist of the other quote is, we conquer the galaxy for the Imperium, and they give us nothing but betrayal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now we're going to go reconquering for ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of like that because it's going to badass quote.
[SPEAKER_00]: So good for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: If anyone has against us, they're just dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where you get to let the galaxy burn in the galaxy burn.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Don still has picked up because everybody offered him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Choose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still got extra new downpowers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he starts grabbing everybody he can find with a warp power.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now he can actually and they're in half warp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's also a beacon.
[SPEAKER_01]: People just start coming to him like most of flame.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody that's these scattering war bands just kind of comes in the dawn and the dawn has Horace light powers now.
[SPEAKER_01]: as far as tourism away.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has even went from menacing presence to menacing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to do with this dude says for some unknown reason because a lot of the people, brokers, a lot of deals and people that have no business listening to him, just agree to listen to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to believe this isn't a full in canon thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to be canon as podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's not a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always thought that he had the the Diet Coke of what was his power at this point in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: The charisma power is a power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he brokers so many deals with people that are, he gets, he gets other, other private.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets Magnus.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets a hang out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets more tearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's, yeah, it's later.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, but he does all this shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's doing it right away with it's not a prime market or demon prince prime marks.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's got to be something.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of powerful people that just holds, he holds sway over and he starts to do this right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he basically starts to just take everybody and I love this part about it is he starts the beginning of what becomes known as the black legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get rid of all markings of sons of Horace.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because that is the shame that is the falling.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's beyond sons of Horace.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's over here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also bringing others.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, every day doesn't go insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the, they're initial attempt to do it, brought shame because they didn't do it the right way.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't hold on to what made them right in the first place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So finally, I was, you know, right in the notes, I said it clicked on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're basically the death watch, death, but for chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's a whatever legion you're from, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Repaint your armor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing this over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't do any of the things that we did before.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're winning in all costs.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even just all costs.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in all costs, but with guidelines.
[SPEAKER_00]: The pirate code.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's cool about him, but when a badminton decides to do two is he's looking at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also looking at the fracturing of the legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to conquer the other traitor legions rather he realizes to do his credit.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just wants to lead by example.
[SPEAKER_00]: His view point is I'm going to go away just war on the imperial.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to weed you in the way that all the other ones are just going to want to be part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to want to come along with me literally Alexander the Great said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going we're going this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just he starts to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can do what you want as long as you do it as as I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know come this way?
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you want to do go do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a big deal in this because he starts telling people what he's going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the first thing he's going to do and holy shit is he pissed off about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as much as we did this, but all the time talking about how I'm going to weigh just for the Imperium, I'm going to reconquer it in blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before I do any of this, I'm going to go punch Fabius by on the face and grab horse's body back because that that shit ain't happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is not not not not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that he watches his entire army at that famous bile.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's wildly huge now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird how many people, like it was like an eighties montage of just picking up all the strays.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the weird thing is that the legions that started to really fracture at this point in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when he comes back, he's just pulling all this in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like in one guy here and one guy there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting companies are just coming over like, yeah, let's go do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like my old captain's weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, people started doing stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a lot of the Marines also are lost because they don't have a reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of these people are in grain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the the Marines, they didn't want to give them too much free time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they used to give them fifteen minutes of free time.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the only one of those stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you think that's too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they need a purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys have been doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: a goal for whole existence.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of them are falling to the god.
[SPEAKER_00]: As Bud said, the chaos gods are tempting them, but not all of them are going that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or some of them also just are harder to attempt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so now some guy says, hey, remember when all we did was wage war?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you want to go do that again?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This we're going to start with something that the Don started to do a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this is the one foreshadow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say it's a foreshadow for basically every time the Don gets involved with an invasion in forty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he just decides to take.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a destroyer, but it's a big ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's hit the stage, but so they have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Fabius Bile, the situation is that he's got a ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know where his ship is, they know what planet it's on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea is if we attack the planet, then the ship will come up into orbit, and then we can attack the ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what bad news plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem is the said planet is covered in planetary defenses.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he decides to effectively warp in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Underneath their defenses, a ship traveling in faster than what it's means.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they just slam it into the planet because that's going to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which, I mean, it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did the cast on the orcs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It works really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: York's did this quite a few times.
[SPEAKER_00]: So go a bad on stealing an idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, not the last time he's going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he doesn't quite.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like one of his new favorite things to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that you put in.
[SPEAKER_01]: All caps.
[SPEAKER_00]: He stole this from the York.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: He stole this from the York.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a very convenient way though to get around planetary defenses.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just warp in a derelict spacecraft.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have a crash into the planet and follow up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then it's coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which way to say what did he do?
[SPEAKER_00]: They followed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They go into spanish and then holy crap start putting, they put on their boots of money asking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not even a fight and they just put the beats.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's cool about is, but this ship's cool to me because the famous battleship comes up and they decide we're not going to blow it out of the sky.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have, remember, a bad news, whole thing is no more failures.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to do the bad guy thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to blow it up and hope and hope I got Horace's body.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's on team.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm going to personally go in there and do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not put at you under the laser beam and then he's going to go watch TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I hope that I got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, I'm just shooting right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sharks will definitely get in the sharks with laser beams.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so the batting goes screw this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going and he goes in with everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Fabius Biles ship is not it is bonkers town.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has also been experimenting with fusing people into the ship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is pretty freaky.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're choosing demons to people, robots to demons to people, basically all human centipede but for murder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's just, and it is what's what there is I like.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is that you hit the ship and it's just full of these monsters.
[SPEAKER_00]: These aren't like cute and cuddly things he's making.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all meant for war.
[SPEAKER_00]: bad in the block that you land and go, yeah, I'm killing everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the funniest thing about the Don is I always crack up because he completely doesn't get corrupted so often because he just doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, so like, yeah, like, it's one of my favorite quotes and pathfinder Rathleth, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a video game is one of the guys is super lovely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely of a guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everybody gets pulled into into a thing where they try to corrupt them and tempt them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when he shows up to him, there's nothing going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just goes, as a good commanding officer, I don't have any secret ambitions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, that's not what you see.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what I think with Avada, because he's just like, yeah, man, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, your weird thing is just something that I'm gonna kill on the way there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else is losing their sand and he's just like, I don't know what you guys are doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just keep going that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just wreck shop through this shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like bad bad, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, nothing, nothing slowing them down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is an eighty to zero victory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's rooting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, Fabius Bial didn't know that the Don was showing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that part.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was expecting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, although it'd be honest, but someone crashes a Derrick spacecraft into your planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: You probably should have been better prepared for the fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: True story.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think Fabius Bial has never been a tactical mastermind.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a brilliant
[SPEAKER_00]: weirdo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he's just like he's not the dude you're going for plans.
[SPEAKER_00]: They they bust into this, you know, their target, which is the cloning center.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this part of the story is super cool because as we said, they're there to rescue Horace, they're going to get Horace's body.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not cloning Horace and they get in there and discover he was cloning all the primaries.
[SPEAKER_00]: all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to say, they don't really do this justice because he was doing all twenty and two of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know the hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw the twenty and I'm like, is this a typo?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because how did you find the missing two?
[SPEAKER_00]: And for all you wondering, yeah, it's all I got to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was actually hoping to get more information out of this and like read the book.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, they just have me as apparently just knows the deleted guys and just was like, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is, I mean, he is in the war of the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: God's probably damn knew something about it, but he's cloning all one tea of the primarx, which is a lot scarier than anyone thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, for Fabius's making a super army, and then put a point out, so that is not a good guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's fighting the bad guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's going to do this to actually help out the good guys because twenty corrupted primarx being launched into the Imperium would have been bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also decides that he is not down with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he goes full murder hobo.
[SPEAKER_01]: The NPC was trying to explain some backstory from the DM and he's like, no, thank you, Sarah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, this, all this breaks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, he started murdering everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did have one clone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course it was the horse clone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the kind of the side of the room, a, the bunch of loud footsteps come.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like the book credit on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're fighting, they're basically destroying the cloning up at the cloning room.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they hear thundering footsteps coming down a corridor and all of a sudden, a bunch of just staring just go flying through the air.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do the faint starts playing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: As a giant figure wielding a very special warhammer, just starts wrecking people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is, it's the clone of Horace.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's holding the warhammer.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Horace was given by the emperor and just he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Racking the these guys, but a baton crushes him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I simply put a baton killed his father and you're doing this didn't want some doing it twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did laugh so hard at this last night.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I needed to give you guys in the notes.
[SPEAKER_01]: After he kills him, he goes to Abadon's credit and John's joy.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is no long speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for the, this is the first time I can ever think of with GW.
[SPEAKER_00]: A badin' and Horace are fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: A badin' just, the Horace starts saying some words to him and a badin' like says, shut up and just start slapping him.
[SPEAKER_00]: A badin' just actually overpower his Horace.
[SPEAKER_00]: He breaks his Warhammer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then as Horace starts trying to like chat him up, he just marms just gems that his claw straight through Horace and his slaughters and right then in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just gives no shits.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, you're probably not going to get along bad guy speech.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, from I was so happy about that because every other book we've had, we've had to listen to and there's are all the reasons why you betrayed me and not, but he does give a full Arnold, eighties action movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is way better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am not your son.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not your son.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I says because a clone says refers to me as his son during the fight and the end of it after he kills him goes, I'm not your son and leads.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically again gives the eighties movie because he just blows the fuck everything up.
[SPEAKER_01]: and just rolls out, which is funny because the family's violence up doing what you weren't for, have it out after a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, eventually come back around and become best buds, especially more modern versions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a big thing about this because the dawn goes from broken to fueled by patron.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he turns his wild loyalty and love of Horace
[SPEAKER_01]: into a driving.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is literally fueled by hate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he just doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: He hates Horace.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: For but he hates Horace for his weakness.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not not the person.
[SPEAKER_00]: For feeling that what he said was Horace failed to lead by failing to succeed.
[SPEAKER_00]: This becomes all a bad and cares about, is success.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's just not going to fail, like horse, because he's not going to fail.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, oh, sorry, you know, you can just keep my goofy life in there for that, because nothing makes me happier than thinking about what happens next.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Abadad legitimately starts having HR babies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And literally does, hey, what have you been doing for the company?
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds stupid and just cuts people's hands up.
[SPEAKER_01]: He starts murdering everybody that he thinks sucks that is leading.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he does, I'm talking like,
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking, everybody from a squad leader to a large leader of a war ban to a company leader, the dude carrying ammo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is, we are, we are not playing around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, man, are you good at what you're supposed to be good at?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you fail?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you did,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, my HR meeting really ends in death.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, one of the other options, you're like, death or more death?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's some of this was actually a really clever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like one of the stories I loved was there was a, one of the, I think the eye of Horace was named, but was a name of the war band that it split off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they had just basically told a bad thing to go after himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're never joining or doing anything with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: He murder faces.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he does his, he attacks an admec post.
[SPEAKER_00]: And really, and these invites them with on the attacks.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, yeah, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, hang out with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they go and they attack the admet posts together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they run over the admet.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the end, the leader of the, the, at least I have Horace comes over to bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it goes to shake his hand that a badman cuts his head off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just, and then, and it turns to the least mocks every captain.
[SPEAKER_00]: It turns to the Legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks at them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they all immediately bend the knee.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's got this is what he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just kills everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he kills everybody, especially in charge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we also thinks that he goes pretty psycho about this because he just decides that everybody was doing it wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody failed.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were in charge, when we failed, you're now dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I love about this is the lion did, the where he just went through line that just, but with a lot more murder.
[SPEAKER_00]: The lion went through and challenged every captain.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, I'm going to prove better than you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bad and just went, I'm just going to kill every captain.
[SPEAKER_00]: And every one of you's going to follow me because who else you're going to follow?
[SPEAKER_00]: The guy who's dead?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want?
[SPEAKER_00]: And a bad man now becomes over this period of, it's ends up being, I think, a couple thousand years in actual imperial timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's wildly all over the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm saying, but by the way, he reappears.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, well, in the appearance, taking timeline, he's, he showed up because the work timeline is so.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a little bit hard to tell what's been going on, but he effectively goes, he goes into the war.
[SPEAKER_00]: with him at a few buddies, most of his buddies die, and he comes back out of the warp, the warmaster with all, not all, but the vast majority of the chaos legions either directly under his command.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it really, it really wanes and waxes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because depending on what he wants to do in
[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to touch on this, because I want to talk about the people saying that the crusades, because I want to touch on the crusades a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the crusades are such a big thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Abidana has thirteen black crusades.
[SPEAKER_01]: And people always go, ah, they retcon him to be this mastermind, because in the arcs of, arcs of a woman, I call it arcs of a woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I call it arcs of a woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a pretty different thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he comes and he blows up Kenya and he does all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, well, he read Con, who'd be this mastermind.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: As well, back where it's, I was talking about this before we recorded the first episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't done way back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's either two thousand, three, two thousand, six.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had already talked about his crusades weren't trying to take over the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: His crusades were trying to get things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a match was his idea of a long war.
[SPEAKER_00]: What he meant by that was, I will, this will take as long as it, as it needs to, as it needs to take.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am not going to make make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make, make
[SPEAKER_00]: That was really, that was Horace's thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: A bad news plan is I'm going to hunker the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to do logistics.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his crusades were built around both strengthening his position and we can aim a position.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a lot of us, we can, and he also was
[SPEAKER_01]: He got his blade, which contains a world dominating demon.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of these things led up to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a big thing, because people go, hey, this is right, God.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, really, it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been the same for twenty-seven years.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just his writing is everywhere, because he's included in so many different novels, so many different codices.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's things about Abadhan in
[SPEAKER_01]: I, everyone's coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exit seems this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where kind of like the next episode we're going to get into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to take this leap from a bad and becoming the new warm master to just about the start of forty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like there's, there's a chunk here about
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, how he built himself up in some of the things that he did throughout this era, because when we talk about Forty Kay, it's, the Forty Kay's played almost like a snapshot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those of you don't realize it's not, you're not, we don't play over the entire like thousand years.
[SPEAKER_00]: We play over like five or six years at a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: We really are going to take the abad and up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard with abad and because anytime we add stuff to it, my codex comes out and there's new stuff about it because it's bred to use in every single codex.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's keep pushing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get you guys kind of caught up to a lot of stuff he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: coming into this, because there are certain things he does, cough, cough, katia, um, that are been breaking the sky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, literally split in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is the reason why the Xenocent incursions are incurring, you know, tear in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoopsie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oopsie.
[SPEAKER_00]: brought the tear into the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't show it, shouldn't shout that night late out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, hey, mods.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a big flame.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to cover a lot of us up at the baton, but to kind of recap the episode real quick, a baton, you know, the very first one we talked about a baton comes up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He ends up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's right next to Horace, the Horace Harris.
[SPEAKER_00]: He fails and he's just broken.
[SPEAKER_00]: This episode was about the rise of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He came coming from this broken man who just feels that anything is having, he's ever
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the reforming, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: He reinvented who he was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went from the follower of for him the follower of failed betrayers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: To the leader of the long war and the guy that's going to get things done no matter how long there's no again, like you're saying, there's no clock, there's no anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to win and he wants to win against, there's no, he doesn't need to separate.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not killing the emperor and calling it a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to conquer every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every planet in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this as time goes by begins to not just include the Imperium, but also Zenos that get in his way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now is nothing is stopping me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am going to conquer this entire galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, and more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: So with that, we will conclude.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you guys next week on our part three of a bad and coverage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, I'm John Barside.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys next week.
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