[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty-K-Lorecast, be John Barsati and Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today, we're going to try something new.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to sit equidistant from the microphones to see if I can stop getting people informed that our audio is terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, apparently, you're supposed to hear plugs at the start of an episode when everyone's actually listening at that at the very end.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to try something a little bit different in this podcast and actually do an open with plugs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for those who don't know, we've launched a new website, the Forty-K-Lorecast.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: The is on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please go there, we're adding some new pages, like try to get in there about once a week and tweak some stuff up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We also now have a Patreon to help potentially solve this audio issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: We started this thing as a lower cast in my basement, and we have enough listeners now that I probably should upgrade the audio, so we'd like to if you guys want to help us out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That patreon though nothing's going to be high to pay wall when I can be go to the patreon listen to the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just if you want to help us out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be great if you want to be a patreon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just go to patreon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Traditional patreon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Additionally, one last thing is a depth of con is going to be from released about two weeks released this episode Brad and I will both be there on mostly separate days because I played champs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I may be in doubles.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think then Brad and I overlap on doubles and then Brad and I teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the day I go home, but we will both be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys are out of depth, the gun comes say hi.
[SPEAKER_00]: We stand out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're kind of like master blaster.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of us is very, very tall.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of us is very short, but we're both pretty thick.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm the tall one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, if you, if you, if you can't see Brad in the crowd, you're not a limb.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, on to the topic at hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: orders, you know, last week, we dove into the orders of the inquisition with the rising period of cults.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's this guy, some of you may have heard of the Eisenhorn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he's hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like maybe some of the best books, black library ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, we have recommendations for you this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also.
[SPEAKER_00]: What we thought we would do is actually kind of talk about the rise of the orders, you know, and what it is because in truth, it's in order of malice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think compete for most important parts of the inquisition.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that the orders, the orders, you know, does less bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I say less, and I say less, that's a good point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's less.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they don't do good.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do less bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, because they actively do help because in forty k, not all, but a lot of the zenos are real prop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, zenos mean, and we're going to talk about it a little bit in this episode that you know, it's important.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the things we're focusing on this podcast is not just
[SPEAKER_00]: cure the thirty playable factions.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more, no, this is the universe it lives in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's lots of Xenos that don't qualify for a faction in forty-a-k, that are light years problematic and creating like the raggedan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, I was just about to say, dark ages will throw their hands up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's some serious things that are.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had some issues here and there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, or if we held it for the Eisenhower novel, I mean, that same thing, they think you get these, you've never heard of them, but they matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wildly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Technological is superior, but they're just smaller.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so they end up getting in the stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they get wiped out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a big deal because we only had Ordo's smelliest at first.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's a lot of wind that's exactly this happened, but effectively you had the war of the beast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they went, this is way bigger of a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if those of you who, and you should listen to the last podcast, it's like, you want to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you haven't, fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, catch up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Catch up.
[SPEAKER_00]: The inquisition was formed by the emperor to stop the spread of chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's what they were, but they were small.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it wasn't, I mean, Malkinoro's kind of insurance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I mean, Malkinoro did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They formed the orders, Malkinoro's kind of insurance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I mean, Malkinoro did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They formed the orders, Malkinoro's kind of, Malkinoro did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They formed the orders, Malkinoro's kind of, Malkinoro's kind of, Malkinoro did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They formed the orders, Malkinoro's kind of Malkinoro's kind of, Malkinoro did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They formed the orders, Malkinoro's kind of Malkinoro's kind of Malkinoro's kind of Malkinoro's kind of Malkinoro's kind of Malkinoro's kind of Malkinoro's kind of M
[SPEAKER_02]: Pulled it back.
[SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't as big of a reason because remember when they fought in the oldest Malias, oh yeah, chaos was invading like where?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like outside, right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see them in the yard.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the thing to remember to is the Imperium thanks to the Horace Harris.
[SPEAKER_00]: He went from this really incredible powerhouse machinery that Zino didn't really mess with to being effectively cut in half militarily, actually more than.
[SPEAKER_00]: They probably, if I went down to seventy percent militarily,
[SPEAKER_02]: and infracture, but also right for...
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, a lot of the Zeno's right think of Dark Elder, I think of that nature meant, hey, I'm gonna poke this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see what the response time is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrible now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's poke it some more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it began there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The truth of the matter is that if left unchecked, the Zeno's were going to kill all of mankind and slave them, eat them, you know, whatever it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there was a growing need.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no way that I'm not going to point for, because the usual John has notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have enslaved, killed and eat them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Number four is, or worst of all, convert them to their ways of thinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just now.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about town.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're completely talking about town.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not talking about works.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about town.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, how dare you?
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but up until a certain period, and there isn't question marks on this, it was handled all the Z-nose incursions were handled by like a space marine faction, whoever was kind of in the area would deal with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, because it's this podcast, we're going to have to talk about works.
[SPEAKER_00]: As Brad mentioned, the war of the beast and the orcs decide to invade in a way that a simple space marine faction was not going to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they kind of were everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, the war of the beast was, I love that we said it was a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little bit more than a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was, hey, man, are they going to destroy everything problem?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The orcs are going to run over everything we have, they're ripping through us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: Part of the problem in all fairness with the yorks is we've discussed it for with orcs and orcs are probably in my mind we was just up the most dangerous of the zenos factions if left if you let them just rampage they get bigger and they get worse and then you go to fight them a little bit and that makes the problem even more worse you have to stop them out now
[SPEAKER_00]: immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to hit them before they get anywhere going because they they actually get more poverty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Listen to the orcum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Caspy had orcs legitimately get more powerful as they fight and more of them get together and you riled them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all say let's just murder.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's make a reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how do you play master of Orion?
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're communal intelligence.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the more of them that they're there, the more intelligent they become the more powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: They be like the death for Mass Effect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, the gap is the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, forever the gap.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna go with massive rinds, better than massive rinds.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the both great games, massive rinds three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hot garbage.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, the war that beast comes in, and we've got thousands of systems, not planets, systems are burned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Realians are dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Imperial Military has no idea what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to the point where Tara is genuinely at threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe we're gonna lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: and eventually the good guys prevail, question mark and they do take it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, is that, so we go back to the thinking of the original and the upper.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've said this before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Emperor, a lot of good ideas, a lot of bad ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, the upper is a Zenois.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you want to call it Hades Zenois.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're not human, he's pretty cool with killing you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to the point where I don't think he'd go for the Ogrin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we had a damn imperial fist though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what ends up happening was, if you guys had to figure out any time I can point out any imperial fist, it was really, really good or really, really bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was goes into the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because half of the time, Brad's happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have time, Brad's miserable.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one.
[SPEAKER_02]: This dude did make a really good point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it made a really good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was also pretty awesome at doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in Lord Commander Corland, who's leading the imperial forces,
[SPEAKER_00]: comes the realization that we need to prune these and these Zenos before they become a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's hear the bureaucracy around that's almost impossible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And effectively he said,
[SPEAKER_02]: I need inquisitorial power, which is, I need people when they find something to not have to get permission.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And actually, let's pause on that because we haven't really talked.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about it a little bit, but bureaucracy in a millions of planets in government.
[SPEAKER_02]: takes exactly how long you think it would take.
[SPEAKER_02]: Imagine going to the BMV and having to go to millions of worlds BMV and wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: We say BMV, do you mean DMV?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm from Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bureau of Motor Vehicles, Department of Motor Vehicles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you kidding me Ohio actually doesn't even call it DMV?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not a real state.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're the only ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has no fault in change.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually was concerned that something was wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I realized that I realized now, no, Brad's brain's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually saying the BMV, something that only our listeners know, Ohio.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're listening and you're mad at me for talking shit on Ohio, you know why I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, is that what happens is, is you don't get an answer for legitimately, sometimes hundreds of years.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're like, hey, we have a real problem here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to put some forces in and then you weigh past your lifetime.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they go, yes, yes, you can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you can.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they needed that taken care of now because it's before the orcup rising.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's before the ride and come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they want
[SPEAKER_02]: Quickly, I mean, it's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's abused horribly a lot, which we'll get into.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll get into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Brad's gonna believe right.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the big problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you give these guys a second, they get a lot worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's two problems right into this.
[SPEAKER_00]: First is, as Brad was saying, you need like an inquisitorial level of speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: But other problems, some of these forces get so large that an inquisitor and a few guardsmen can't really handle it.
[SPEAKER_00]: moving and as a liable know where this foreshadow is going, moving a space marine force from one spot to another is actually pretty complicated and they may just say no because they're busy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you not only does Corland propose creation of a new version of the inquisitors, but also adds on top of them a military force, which we're going to do in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: But just to kind of help everyone or what we're discussing here for, you know, you've been listening to some of the cast,
[SPEAKER_00]: Orcs get a lot more powerful if they gather more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hundred percent of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jukari.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jukari will find out if you have a weakness and they'll keep exploiting fat weakness.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll have the ability to plant raw.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a reason why their power is for power from pain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They want to do bad things to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: They legitimately feed off that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're going to Jukari.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at this stage, you know, the tear-nids aren't in the galaxy, but for the, for the, yeah, if there's one, there's never one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep it the, by the time the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot, as I had it written down, but it sent my house, of course, because I'm an idiot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the ask, why do you guys, who do you guys hate worse, Tau or the Lord's of Tara, only John hates Tau?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is just, however, also hate the Lord's of Tara so much that it's never a content.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Brad's hatred of Lord Zeterra is the highest.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm even hate towel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just know that a lot of people who play towel really like towel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know every time I do this at noise them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very enjoyable to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: All I actually know is not sure I do hate towel.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my hatred of town actually comes from Don of War Soulstorm.
[SPEAKER_00]: That being the most annoying mission to try and get through.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always hated fighting the town.
[SPEAKER_00]: It Don of War Soulstorm.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were the army.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hated I played Orcs, if they space means to pay guard, whatever I play, that any time I had to fight town, that game had annoyed me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, so it comes from a dark place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: What they decided to do, going back to topic at hand, was to create these two branches.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to first, we're going to create the order Zeno, so the inquisition, because, as Brad said, we are going to move quick, and there's a lot of Zeno throughout the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, it's mostly Zeno's in the galaxy, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we need to figure out which one of them, and there's too many Zenos to kill all of them, like, well, you can do it eventually.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the emperor would be on team kill all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to kind of triage your murder.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had to prioritize.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's what the, or Zenos was supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which Zenos are the biggest threat and deal with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, are they threat today?
[SPEAKER_00]: Will they be threat in the future?
[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes to be honest, to be fair, they have to go, are they trading with our guys?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or are they trying to kill our guys?
[SPEAKER_02]: And sometimes trading is worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what if they tell them some new ideas?
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't, we can't be having any of those new ideas, thinking we've got our own ideas.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is what the Ordo Zino's inquisitorum came from.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as we were discussing, and we're going to get into the second, there was another Ordo that had to be created.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the death watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that wasn't an order.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a military branch.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Orders Malias is had demon eyes, which was great nights.
[SPEAKER_02]: Each of them has a both Orders, Zenos and Orders Malias.
[SPEAKER_02]: Orders Malias first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Both have a military space marine arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was the great nights for the Malias.
[SPEAKER_02]: And those guys are what they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they created the death watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the death watch, which I'm told I'm not allowed to get too into, because John will start throwing things on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll do a cast on death watch, but the death watch are badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they are super badass in the stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they basically take the best of the best from all the different.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do special forces.
[SPEAKER_02]: They make marine special forces.
[SPEAKER_02]: They take this guy that's a specialist in this and they take this guy that's specialist.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they also take them from different chapters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we will do a full cast in death watch because I think it's super wild because all the different space marine chapters have
[SPEAKER_02]: views about death watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some think it's a big honor and some people think it's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why would you break apart?
[SPEAKER_02]: We have our certain beliefs and traditions get off my lawn.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was a big deal, but it this for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, this is one of the few times the Imperium did something in a timely manner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this was done quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was done.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also grabbed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, let's dive into the original, the origin of the death watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to tell you, but it's like, we're going to do a death watch cast on this, but this part alone is super badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a real focus that I do haven't in these castes us talking about, like we have, if you play the tabletop version of death watch, people who play death watch know what I'm talking about, but I'll be able to don't play death watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just kind of, oh, it's at a knowing army act play against every now and then with emeralds.
[SPEAKER_00]: But their origins are actually kind of the, I would call it heroic, where their original origins were,
[SPEAKER_02]: They took all the guy during the war of the beast, a ton of these space marine companies were ripped to shreds.
[SPEAKER_02]: And usually you would have to either effectively wait until they grew some new marines.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these guys were like, yeah, man, everybody I know just got killed, zero chance I'm doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's that action movie style where it's like all of your friends are dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're the only one left standing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you and three other dudes in the same thing happened to them form up a suicide battalion to go do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what these guys were.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bread's point.
[SPEAKER_00]: They literally were told, no, just hang back.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go make more space Marines and we'll refill the chapter and they went
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They literally form the expense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it works too, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys went in and what they used them for initially was these little disruption hits.
[SPEAKER_00]: As the war of the beast was kind of was the filtering out and moving through.
[SPEAKER_00]: They realize if we just hit him here, there's one little spot here, there's one little spot there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't stop them, the entire army, but I can slow it down a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the original news.
[SPEAKER_02]: They always tell me, and he's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: They make kill teams.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they, this is how the kill teams and people that play Death Watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, again, we'll do a whole thing on him, but like they made
[SPEAKER_02]: ultra specialized for what they had to do on this particular thing and they called him kill teams and they had wildly special operators basically that went down to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I need?
[SPEAKER_02]: I need a bunch of heavy weapons teams.
[SPEAKER_02]: What, that's it?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I just need guys to stand on this wall and kill this particular thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need super stealthy guys to get in and out and do a specific thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why need a super fast recon force?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they made these teams, which were a wildly different because the Marines typically have kind of a versatile, make sure I have something for everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: These did not do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a great point because that was one of the biggest issues was Marines are built to be a take-all comer.
[SPEAKER_00]: You deploy an entire company to do a battle field and they can do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is that to move an entire company requires guardsmen and a period of navy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It requires much more transport and ships, logistics, all these things and organizing all that and moving it just like today takes a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you said, you say, what if we just moved thirty guys and carry our own gear?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can do this one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then we're going to bail out afterwards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd be there and for now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're not going to patrol.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to take.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not taking a holding.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to either take steal something kill something, whatever, demolish something and we're getting the shit out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what they were and it was incredibly successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it was incredibly successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's kind of how the death watch got hold is because they went, oh, this is working really, really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so this is where the death watch and me is how to grow from this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this enables
[SPEAKER_00]: This also gets combined with what we're not talking about yet is the order Zeno's were also kind of helping direct them around.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they've got this kind of perfect setup where they know where to hit, they know how to hit and they go when they hit, but they're hitting with a force of space Marines as opposed to hitting with a force of Imperial Guard, which works, but it depends on what you're fighting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Imperial Guard, a small battalion of Imperial Guard, no matter how good you think they are, even like Casserkins against Orcs is going to be a little bit tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but the space marines, because they can move quicker, they can carry bigger guns, they can actually really interrupt something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can also just take more damage to get.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should touch on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't made without problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the other space marine legions, some of them were cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Brad said actually a lot of people is that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think of this for the different
[SPEAKER_00]: Most of a lot of people were not cool with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of people were, it's a very wild gradation.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll do this when we do the actual death watch because some of the legions were, I refuse to send anybody and then you showed up and we're still taking guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And other ones were on the exactly the dichotomy were, this is the greatest honor we could do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, then you've had everything in between.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think we should talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the problem is, all the space marine legions at their core are made from a primer.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you've got, you've got a gene seed, you insert the gene seed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they've all got this, this system of how you make them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't make a new death watch primer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So instead, as Brexit, they're just being brought from legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that hits a lot of people on a lot of different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first one obviously is a space marine legions themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just that they don't want to share their soldiers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more, these soldiers know our secrets in the case of darkness.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, well, I don't know all the secrets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but they know some of the secrets.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've also got people like some space wolves are pretty proud group.
[SPEAKER_00]: A few guys were pretty proud who also they have their own tactics.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that all that excited share them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the truth of matter is while the Imperium is a fighting force.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know some of these guys take a lot of pride in how they fight and the idea of so you're gonna take one of my sergeants who knows all of our tactics he's gonna go over and hang out with like blood angels and space wolves and whatever it is and tell them our tactics like you can't say no but you can think it yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: There's that group, but the bigger pushback was actually from Terra, because the truth of matter is, we discussed this a little bit on the last episode about when I forgot in his name that the head of the Klee's Yarky wanted to take on the space marines.
[SPEAKER_00]: The space marines are this body that while they technically report to the Lord the High Loads of Terra, if they choose not to, they just won't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a lot of options.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, cough, cough, space was due at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you don't have, you can hang out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, recall, there's a few times cough cough when the space was faulty in Piero Guard and the great nights where the inquisition tried to get a little opi.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't end well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, space will podcast, maybe eleven episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've tried just reading a book.
[SPEAKER_00]: No good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not reading.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm terminator.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad, I just read you guys one of the books for the first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they are, there was actually push back on those tell because there was now going to be another branch of these soldiers who they can't control.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because you were giving them inquisitorial power means that they can quickly
[SPEAKER_02]: And legally, grab whatever they need, and they can't do anything about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was a lot of real heavy behind this scene's push back in the creation of this army that as Brad said, all got brushed the wayside pretty quickly, because it just worked so well that it was this piece of fine out of necessity, if nothing else.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: because they were the original, but the art of Zenos work way better from the beginning than it's still kind of working better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think part of that though is that everyone in the Imperium knew there were Zenos, whereas at the great nights
[SPEAKER_02]: True, just do a lot of the planets in the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just said that the candy man was going to show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, so I just need to be afraid of beetle juice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also like, you know, the death watch people are aware that death watch exists.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm still a little bit, you know, muddy down the wall and the wall of who knows the great nights exist exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're basically Santa Claus.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the point, is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, how that piece of like, it makes it a little bit easier to have an order that is investigating things that everyone knows exists.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I was talking about it really to give you money food and whatever to the guy that just says he's going to stop me from getting punched in the face by the guy that literally punched me on the face.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also complete tangent here.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're trying to be hidden, why are you wearing silver reflective armor?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just throw it out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it matters for the demon fighting, but it's like no one can know they exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: The giant shiny things have blinded me when they showed up over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's no teleporting.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're covered in metals.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not metals.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're sigils, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're their metals.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could see the gray nights like four miles away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're going to reflect so much light.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, fun with the side of the side topic, but just throwing it out there, the super secret organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, but what matters though is the death watch are formed and they are formed with force and now we have the complete autosiness.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to say this because you need a space marine military branch to be not just to be legitimizes you, but it does because you need when the shit hits the fan if you're mankind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you need some Marines or you're probably not going to get shit done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Marines are going to solve.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, but that's just how it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going to discuss the ice and the horn books a little bit here.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is an elephant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have some of the ice and horn novel where I'm like, where were the death watch?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's like, he's fighting, like, but he's nobody gets thrown out of the bus more than ice and horn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: read the Eisenhardt books there because they get again, I gave this before we would live.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not even live before we started recording.
[SPEAKER_00]: What ever not live could God if you only who people only knew how much anything went into making this live?
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't just watch me on a good a death or glory or my own personal channel and you'll see how much out of things done because you watch me stammer over any pity by any a but
[SPEAKER_02]: You get lines such as, who do you work for the emperor?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just take, do the same to me, and you're about as close.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eisenhower talks magic, but also, if you're one of the Ordozinos, if you're an inquisitor, and there's much difference between, and we'll go over this much later, between Lord inquisitors and inquisitors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lord inquisitors are system-planetary ridiculous power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're an inquisitor, though, and I love this about inquisition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, Henry Cavalry, you should play an inquisitor.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the inquisitor's go from, we did this a lot in the rogue trader, inquisitors might have a merry band of randoms like Eisenhorn, or you might cruise around with, which is almost a legion of troops where you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is literally the, I mean, there's also dudes that just operate so like the Puritans just show up by themselves, grab what they need, and then do sell and go to somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's, let's, let's dive into kind of the operation of the war dosinos to kind of
[SPEAKER_00]: what they are and how they're going to function after the full formation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, we're post-war the beast.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Lords of Terror have signed off on the plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Death Watch exists.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are they really trying to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just there to effectively prevent the fall of the Imperium to Zenos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it can be that fall can be as we discussed for.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Zenos invasion, Zenos infiltration.
[SPEAKER_00]: Xenos, I don't know what our cowdo, like these types of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's how it would be on the center of consumption though.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they were.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're just they're, they don't, and follow the imperial crepe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, is that they have the most straight forward though, because besides, well, that's a lie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most of the time, it's the most straightforward until you have to root out GSC groups.
[SPEAKER_00]: That GSC girls are a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: The addition, we are intentionally doing a lot of cast that all involve the galaxy before pereonids, because post pereonids, this galaxy gets real rough and real confusing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even Neckron's coming up, we're going to be tough, but post-tiered innovation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a, a geezer called it's just wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's pretty, pretty crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the galaxy is at its core war.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got, if you're the Imperium, you've got internal strife, you have rebellions constantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got demonic incursions constantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well,
[SPEAKER_02]: You basically have rebellions that are sometimes chaos and sometimes just, oh yeah, everything sucks here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's get together.
[SPEAKER_00]: You also get the great joy of the webwigs, which you were close to not having to worry about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then Magnus decided to just, please, this is my story.
[SPEAKER_00]: My view point of Magnus is I have a five year old.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you ever tell a five year old, hey man, wait a second, that explains to you what Magnus did to the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just hold on a minute and I give you, no, I'm just gonna tell you anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, there are also really no good guys in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will give Tau this credit at one point, Tau were good and then they wrecked.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many dishes did they keep that for?
[SPEAKER_00]: One or two dishes were, they were Tau were two, they're two and two, not even.
[SPEAKER_02]: When they first came out and the next one, they were, they were still okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the issue is that the greater good used to be our actual, a natural greater good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's whatever they've made it now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the challenge is that the autosinos are existing right here to keep the galaxy from the xenos in the galaxy, from conquering and destroying them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they need to move quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because if you don't move quickly, it gets real bad, real quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a few different Xenos that are the biggest threat in the galaxy at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first one are Orcs, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the second you see in Orc get a move in Orc.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are technically a mushroom, so you can never fully remove them, but you have to stamp them out before they start getting together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next they're going to be Brad's favorite buddies, the Eldar.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you, uh, what do you do?
[SPEAKER_00]: And where do Eldar come from, Brad?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The answer is yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we've got magic.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can see into the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then in case, Eldar aren't bad enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jukari are much worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh God, it's so gross.
[SPEAKER_02]: They call the dark elder for a reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're going to be so gross.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they come in and they will literally just pull every person off your planet one at a time until you show up and stamp them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then let's run away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Eldar and I think Jukari are probably the biggest ones for orders, you know, like the playable factions, because
[SPEAKER_00]: They're so sloppy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're so minimal that if you don't, you can miss the side.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't, they look for their Wyoming intelligence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're also near a mortal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and they, when you're immortal, and you know that things could go bad for you, and when you die, they're going to be really bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're going to take on the fights that you can always win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everyone doesn't want to die, but not as much as elder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't after life and it is bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, well, that's eating them for eternity.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a great great situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so these two are probably the biggest ones for us.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's orcs are there, but it's the orcs.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, you get to remember that you right now, they don't know the difference between all the dark out there, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've had some very crazy scraps because
[SPEAKER_02]: while you're like, oh, these guys are bad guys and these guys are good guys or whatever, between.
[SPEAKER_02]: They looked the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, they always say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that genetically they're the same, but just one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess maybe the miraculous covenant, cause a covenant, aren't genetically the same anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: True.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've done it, but yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you know, you have no most of the imperium has no idea that these are different at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is formed again before the tyrannids invade, which is always bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way it's coming out of the towel.
[SPEAKER_00]: tower only on the eastern front.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then leagues of Votan, which is the newest addition, which I'm effectively just got to switch.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just got discovered and still like, are they a threat?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's actually the one thing I will say, the Votan Codex is just really currently a human.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's actually hasn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I'll have to be honest, hasn't made clear yet with the Imperium's full view point on the leagues of Votan, are yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure the ad-maker super into them once they figure out they have STCs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, there is fairly rampant trade between someplace.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's what you're going to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one we're coming in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where we have to get into, screw it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just go into it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have period in, puritanical, and radical in the ear inquisters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that means that you either refuse to use, you don't talk to the Zenos.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't use Zenos technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't communicate them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just
[SPEAKER_02]: stamp them out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is both in Malay's and Zino's.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking about Zino's and then you've got the radicals.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the radicals aren't even really radical.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just, that's what they're called.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they will just kind of use whatever means necessary cough cough ice in order.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, who just kind of goes
[SPEAKER_02]: He has to make judgment calls all the time and go, hey man, these guys are trading with a craft world.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this isn't a threat to the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to move on because also I'm not going to get a bunch of resources together and they get my ass kicked by a craft world when I could have just moved on with life and stamped out another ragdain or
[SPEAKER_02]: Another dark elder occurs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a huge purpose of I would actually argue and we're going to do an acquisition cast as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: We get more into this later.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would argue the radicals and the more valuable ones to the impairing because they're the ones who help make the decisions of where do we spend resources that was wasting our time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm sad all we don't need to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: And well, even if you like to look in the books, that the first inquisitor you meet with Eisenhower is a wildly successful Puritan inquisitor.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I would argue again, it's mainly because he's always met things that had to be taken care of.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he didn't have to make judgment calls because the impure is going to be real bummed when you just decide that you need to fight, who's where something?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, we don't want to fight with you, but also we can see to the future so we're just going to ruin your supply lines now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So please leave us alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: will be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_00]: With the power that the Inquiry, Ordozinos carry, they kind of fall into a few different categories of how they had to deal with the Zinos threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first one is, as we saw on the guys in the book, a lot, do it themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whoever they're with, just wipe out the Zinos threat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes they... Well, sometimes it's just an infestation almost, before tenants are still
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he knows that will, that have surprising abilities.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of them have psychic abilities.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of them have abilities to manipulate mankind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're talking about maybe a dozen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's more their on a planet as a dozen of them will apply it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the inquisitor just takes care of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just blade runners on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other times.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, grab some Imperial Guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the offensive space, grab the Imperial Navy and blow a few ships up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or you're calling the death watch, you know, or even beyond that, as soon as you might in the rare cases, there are some, you know, when was when, when versiony was get discovered or, you know, certain, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Necron forces and tear-to-force, get discovered, you call in a full chapter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, all right, someone called the Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So one thing we want to, I want to discuss though, is I really want to have a spend some time on the smaller Zenos, because this is the biggest piece of this is that when we talk, and we think about a galaxy, the difference between the Eldar, the cow, and someone you've never heard of, is simply how long they were able to grow.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would there's so many more things you haven't heard of.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what that's.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the wild we said, there's what five Zenos that you know of that are playable factions and something that there is.
[SPEAKER_02]: How Lizzino's in the galaxy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And most of them are only known from books, little snippets in the codex, and stuff, things of that nature, stories about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's because the Ordozino's, well, has been pretty good at producing them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that is the whole thing as a one-reforty cable focused really heavily on what I would call the large conflicts, which is the big armies.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are multi-system-wide.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have manufacturing all this stuff, but as you read it, but the Eisenhower books are probably the best ones for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But honestly, I read a lot of codexes, personally for a reading standpoint.
[SPEAKER_00]: I read journals for work, so it's really easy for me to read codexes where they're just kind of doing time date and the thirty four.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we had an incursion against species X in this corner of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like reading those.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the majority of the conflicts are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really kind of cool to think about how do you know where they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is
[SPEAKER_00]: the Ordozinos who would go back to a road trader episode are basically the road traders.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going out in their small ships and they're tracking down leads like old detectives and figuring out where it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a big deal that they find them before they become an issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Their their whole job is to
[SPEAKER_02]: intelligently judge dread things to be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is they have to decide when it's a problem?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a need to be taken care of right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many forces do I need?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they have Carter blanchers that they have solve this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, solve this and it's really cool because it is that you're talking about like an uprising here.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some invasions over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of this is actually happening on like a single planet or within a single system.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is in the forty-k universe is nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about again.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have millions of worlds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Millions of worlds.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these stories are taking part a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I was saying, on one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it doesn't even get mentioned.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a side note on a side note.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one will ever know this happened until
[SPEAKER_00]: It spreads, because again, the war of the beast started on one world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a fairly minor deal with a singular powerful guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it became a galaxy threatening
[SPEAKER_00]: event the tyrannids are not they didn't name themselves that it's because they invaded tyrann and wrecked it and now they are the tyrannids that's that's where they come from and there's a small they've had some we've had
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, we'll go to the right then again, which way back in our episodes, but like again, super powerful race that started off as nothing and kind of didn't know that the Imperium existed until they touched a little bit of it than went.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, these guys are super easy to kill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go time, go team.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, that's where the, the autozinos come into play.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where they're spending all their time because these events grow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the critical thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also, the problem to, they all have to do is, is we were discussing, make a lot of judgment calls as to what these things are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because most of the zinos live, again, web ways of weird thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the vast majority will live on one side of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the northern side for some weird reason, I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know if you just rolls a dice and keeps some
[SPEAKER_02]: They're also so bad at three-day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the northern side of a three-day galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good luck anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have fun figuring that out because, you know, all right, fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna bet you about it for a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: When we say north and south, it's polarity.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no magnet for the north of the south.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's that even a story about, there's a part of the war platform.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can have a rate in the discord, which is why you should go to our discord for a Forty-Klorcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the occasion.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a great talk about the invasion.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a couple guys that were very big into astronomy and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so basically the planets.
[SPEAKER_02]: The chances that all the planets aligned are so impossibly small, but they did a ridiculous ritual.
[SPEAKER_00]: and made an app.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but what I was going to comment on that post, those of you who made the post and point out they could have just come in from the other side.
[SPEAKER_00]: If all the planets are aligned, they're only aligned one way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you could have just come in the other way.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, that would have made for poor writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't seen the movie, CommandO, shame on you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just random seen in CommandO, where ours, what's in your is on an airplane.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he gets out of the airplane and strips onto a banana hammock to roll a boat to shore to put all the clothes back on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: No purpose for that scene other than to show.
[SPEAKER_00]: No purpose at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the invasion of soul was where they were like, we'll start at Pluto.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do appreciate the math.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, the planets are so wildly far apart.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was such a good point and I was what was really going like it's like the best point and I the only answer I was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just love it because in our community we have some really great interactions and that might have been one of my favorites just because you could tell he was just like
[SPEAKER_02]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: There is no there's it's much chance of this is Brad throwing down a three sixty reverse dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is this happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is effectively this is GW writing, but we digress as I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Zeno species though really they can't really contend with the imperial forces.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they tend to interact with mankind in a few different ways.
[SPEAKER_00]: The most positive is just trait where they're sitting on an edge and they have like plasma that doesn't explode.
[SPEAKER_00]: or, you know, power source, you don't have to pray to forty five times and then don't irradiate a planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they actually just trade right on the edge and they're not being a win win for both.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because one thing that we've actually never mentioned, we're going to do a cast a future talking about what's like living on the different planets in the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: the further you are from soul, the less interaction you get with the imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're kind of, you're, you're not quite on your own, but sometimes you don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the kind of the settler is like, but if you're on a fringe planet, and we keep, but we actually still keep pushing the fringe out in the forty first millennium.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are still settling new planets all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of on their own.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you run to an alien species that doesn't want to murder you as one to trade with you,
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, let's both not die.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also hope that a bad inquisitor doesn't show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for the most part, the English leads leaves them alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two, the more common ones are the raids, where they're getting, again, they're small and Xena's forces, but they're quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they come in and they just take something out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these are also a lot of races that don't know what the Imperium actually is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because there's a lot of just small.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're on the fringe, then you meet humanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know that it's millions of planets.
[SPEAKER_02]: You just know that it's those planets right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and they have some things that I want, some are going to go ahead and take them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are pretty easy for the inquisition to find out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we can be smoke them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this usually, and this is stuff for like, we talked about, we should also, we can mention, some of the inquisition is just a guy sitting at a computer.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's sitting there saying, hey, this world went dark, figured out, then sends forces there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the name of the cool one of the guys, the guys in one.
[SPEAKER_00]: the infiltration.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the big one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Infiltration is probably the, I would say the biggest job of the autos, you know, it is a second to order sporadicist, which we'll talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the other job that they have to put on?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying for it, the autos, you know, is the biggest, their biggest threat and their biggest job is, I think, infiltration.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not even just infiltration, but infiltration takes a lot of different rules, though, because infiltration might be
[SPEAKER_02]: cough cough, Tom would just use them because they're the most prevalent of in the stories as far as people that if you know anything about Forty Kay, Tau exists, the infection.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's lots of different races who are just trying to get the planet to effectively succeed from the Imperium because they have cool stuff and they would like it to be part of
[SPEAKER_02]: There.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Small empire.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we say small empire.
[SPEAKER_02]: The empire mode only have a few systems.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like a thousand saying right now, but like in the grand scheme of forty-k, again, that's nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the inquisition tries to find out what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of these systems, by the way, or just worlds,
[SPEAKER_02]: We will not say that they have done any of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, of course, they know better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the things everyone that you don't trade with Zenos and then when caught, you might do the whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I couldn't do that, but you're never going to telegraph this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have to hunt it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the whole world might not be doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be just some people on the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can be a bunch of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason that this type of infiltration, though, is so important is what will happen a lot as the Zenos will try to take control of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: They rarely, and I say rarely, it sounds just me, like I'm on team emperor here, but in the stories, it's uncommon for there to be endless amounts of peaceful trade.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems to be it starts off with peaceful trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but those make good stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to read a three hundred and fifty page book about everything being okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's full trade.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: It probably happens all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, it's kind of lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to write a novel about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody had a good time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had a picnic.
[SPEAKER_00]: That Dan had that has so much clout right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: He probably could write that book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just three, fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just hang on pages of just people just getting along and doing their thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we were going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: They showed up and then they, uh, they all had, uh, they went out to dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then just the end and everyone was, what the hell was that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Just it's him just trolling all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just do it though, because we've seen a bunch of stories of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do want to point out you have it in the notes because a lot of Xenos races are
[SPEAKER_02]: physically slash mentally more powerful than humanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in a lot of stories, Zeno's races can bend minds to their will fairly easily because it's also races that have been around for millions of years and they think that the human brain is ha ha cute and they puppet master shit, cough cough and slavers, but the, but there's a lot of races that have done this and they start holding
[SPEAKER_02]: world leaders, governors of planetary governors and stuff like that as thralls.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the inquisitors have to fruit this out and find out what is actually happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: because the most important thing for the Imperium is getting supplies.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to discuss this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anytime we talk about Imperium, we need supplies.
[SPEAKER_00]: When the supplies stop flowing, it's a big issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is how we figured out how you make sure nothing happens to your planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, don't roll a one, which means an inquisitor just stumbled upon your planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the other way is keep sending whatever they asked you to send on time.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so with these types of Zenos occurrences, we get what I think is a very common video game trope, where you go to a planet that people are talking funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this kind of stuff, but they're all human.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't see any Zenos walking around, but they are fully enthralled by this threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the auto Zenos has to figure out, what are we going to do about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: The biggest threat though, this actually comes up a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to keep referring to the Eisenhorn books is Zino's combined with chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: The chaos doesn't just for humanity against humanity, chaos is trying to be chaos everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting because they don't really do it in the Forty Kay universe of what we play, but they would happily, in fact, anything else they can do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, in the books and stories, they have a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's technically a lot of the slenash army are corrupted Eldar.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they've been into multiple other races.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is there's a lot of times they'll corrupt something, especially when you're talking about Zeech.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: corrupt a race to get in the way so that his other plan starts to push.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this is one of the bigger threats to the actually probably one of the biggest threats to the galaxy, about the biggest is combining Zeno's threat and a chaos threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's kind of a nice one to combo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know what I want to pause on this real quick down because.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Ordozinos wants to read on Zenos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ordozmallias is against Cass.
[SPEAKER_02]: If either one of these finds a problem, they don't just might drop it run away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like if like right if Ordozmallias finds it or invasion, they fight if Ordozinos
[SPEAKER_02]: finds a chaos, a radical world, or chaos forces, you're, they fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: These aren't like, they're not like, hey, this isn't a drop job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how my job is walk away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think these guys frequently get into fights of other threats.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only one too though that they do dive into is dead Zino, interestingly enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is where you get different corruptions, though, because
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is like when we accidentally, which we've done multiple times, woken up Necron Dynasties, because you're like, hey man, what are what this button does?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you went, oh, this can't, this is probably not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is it glowing green?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, oh, God, oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, there's a lot of pyramid showing up from underneath the ground.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is pad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also you can get corrupted because again, a lot of these Xenos races were wildly more advanced.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've been millions of years dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're not coming back on backgrounds, but also a lot of these transfer consciousness, a lot of backgrounds, two part of their their machinery and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can grab the widget of wonder and all of a sudden you're like, oh, my feeble might just got dominated by
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that crowns are good example because we think about and you raise the neck runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: What if you find a seat hand shard that was buried in a great vault in the middle of a planet that you're digging a hole through because you're mining it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just shut off the power supply.
[SPEAKER_00]: that was holding it in place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, you have chaos was fighting Eldar back in the day.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're aware of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do get a lot of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's a lot of these artifacts that are all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, mankind is no idea what these things are until they just suddenly go.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's had turned off the power when the wrong door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like I joked the, you know, the Necronomic on because I'm old enough to have watched Army of Darkness a lot of times.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the planet though for aliens now?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to make me sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody put them in the comments later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's where they land.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the same concept.
[SPEAKER_00]: You land on a planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those some old spaceship here with weird ex-init.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then things are bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you find a dead civilization, it's usually probably was on a planet that was healthy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a good plan to settle and that's where you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's actually more or less alien one and more aliens where you just you've terraformed the planet you're moving through.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, what's this thing over here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go take a look at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now all of you and now the people are dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in the one of the things that is a big deal for the Imperium, not a real big deal for other people is you find an old civilization and you've rosetta stone their writings and weird, their people weren't wildly oppressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: This seems way quicker than what I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: This feels a better way to live life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you've got a rise of non-imperial thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: to stamp that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's got to go quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he can't be having new lines of thinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, they kick it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another reason why we're not the good guys in this game.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually one of the biggest things that they do is stamp out.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been talking to race or you found something from another race.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another, when I say another, another actual.
[SPEAKER_02]: being, and they will put fire to that with a quickness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can't, that's a big, big, big no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Last, these, of course, technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the Zenos do have really good tech.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talked about earlier, but the thing is, is that let's touch on the Adly Galaxy again, while we, oh my God, it's forty thousand, it's twenty, twenty-four, we're writing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's several of the years later.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it is still a drop, think about the elder of the orcs, the necrons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they've been around in this game for sixty five million years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they weren't even the first in the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll give you an example I like.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like there are, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: In the Imperium, there are varying levels of gravity on different planets.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as a result of that people who live in low-graph worlds actually have problems and high-graph worlds have problems, there are Zeno species who come from those types of worlds and have technology that makes living on those worlds better.
[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, you want to trade for that technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: You mean to my bones, just don't just get crushed every minute of every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys think, give me something that makes you feel better?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I'm elongating so much that if I go into any other world, I just flopped out of the ground because money will realize that when people who are on the space station or something else come back to earth, they can't walk for multiple weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you have to go through like physical rehab because being in space is no gravity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so get taller.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they get talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no gravity.
[SPEAKER_00]: They actually lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's much of they work out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They lose a ton of just what we call their stabilization muscle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they come back to the earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the same for these people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually like you're trading, you're working on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden, some Zeno species comes along and is like, hey, I can give you some text that that doesn't happen to you anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: They make your terraforming faster, whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course you want to trade for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Problem is, that's heresy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is pure and adulterated heresy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are now using alien technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Burn all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or if you're even last lucky, the ad mech find out you're doing it and they're going to come take it and burn all of you because they're not supposed to have it either.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they don't want you to wrap them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it doesn't want anyone to let you know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, these guys have some cool stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is I think the best way to conclude this is
[SPEAKER_00]: what is a Xenostra?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the biggest question for the Gordo Xenos.
[SPEAKER_00]: As we said, that same thing is the massive Xenos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the thing is, is that what is Xenos threat?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the answer is yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But because to appear to Xenos threat might be, you talked to that trader to a radical, it might be a coin flip where he goes
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not bad, but maybe I think it is bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I think this is going to be bad in the long run.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I've been to this, I investigated this society and
[SPEAKER_02]: Every time they do this, it's actually the first steps of infiltration put it to the torch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's where the biggest piece for the orders you know says.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it's making that call?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's, as we said, this is not, the orders you know, so not really, it's like the inquisition element of the orders you know, it's aren't really getting that involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: When someone says, hey, there's three million orcs moving away this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of inquisition that goes into that state.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, call it, let's just call it death watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: You call death watch, you're on their way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same with, like, you know, if you've got a jukari raids, again, this is military stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is more the bigger problem, as we've just been discussing, imperial citizens interacting with Xenos and either not realizing it's negative or thinking it's positive, because those are slightly different.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not necessarily being enthralled, maybe the trade is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the ordersinos realize is that the people are treating with are actually not doing it for their own self preservation and doing it to soften.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to be found.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also I've read you guys' quotes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not say basically as much as I usually do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You did say literally a bunch.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was just about to say if you got the literally counter though, I was crushing that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you've counted, we should do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I encourage a drinking game where I say basically or literally, and you have to take a drink.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll make your t-shirt for a depticon.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can wear it with just the definition of literally.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, does Brad ever use that word correct?
[SPEAKER_02]: Literally.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: That guy's an idiot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what we talk about the inquisition or the inquisition of the autosenos.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of what they're doing is hunting down collaborators, who may or may another collaborators behind them collaborators.
[SPEAKER_02]: Out of the three arms, screw it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing all that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Autosenos, and this is because also because I think I said horns and bam.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're doing the best job, which is wildly not a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're sending them our solo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: but they are doing the best job basically of making things better, quotation marks, because they are going after credible threats and they're also, they burn less random people down than the other two factions.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're definitely better than order of a run against this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to say come on, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think order malias and them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bounced back and forth and in fact, we'll get to a second where we're going to go with this one later, but I bounced back and forth on just orders, you notice order malias as far as which one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Orders are ready to get sucks guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Orders are ready to get this awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are just bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just all bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, which hunters are bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ordome, my view point is more, I think, ordome, my personal opinion is I think, ordome, Zenos are often times solving a problem that doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas, ordome malleys didn't say they were good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said they were good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, ordome malleys is doing better because it's just my personally.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: when they're, when they're doing better, it's, it's a real big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, I probably better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I put you at the auto-malious, the problems.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at the problems of three or solving auto-malious is solving the biggest problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the next big is the auto-haragus, I'm solving a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just shooting people, making things awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we get to the end of the cast, there is one very fun element of Ordozinos that they have to deal with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind, it's abhumans.
[SPEAKER_02]: Abhumans, because over the last forty thousand years, we've had, I don't know, some words where lots of radiation, you're a little too close to your son.
[SPEAKER_02]: We decided to power this one from it's a leaky rate reactor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a lot of different things.
[SPEAKER_00]: The water's not real cool for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the water tastes like lead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that would, and if it was lead, it would be better.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be so much better than what you're drinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as a result, you kind of get entire planets, planets, border and systems of mutations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to make a decision of
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we the mutant or are we a Zenos?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's also, to be fair, it's not even that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, are you useful?
[SPEAKER_00]: We know what they really do here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you not?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the jokearo are not a mutation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the jokearo actually predate mankind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's the jokearo weaponsmith, but also bullgrens, rattling snipers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those are humanoids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying, jokearo are ranger-tex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But before, I'm like, I'm at GW when you're stupid writing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just occurred to me again, the GW made the Jokara, which are orangutans, which didn't exist for like, sixty three million years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Post their creation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, is that they, they really try to figure out
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this something we can use or is this something we can't use and if it's something we can't use it's a hair take it must be burning something we can use well welcome to the imperial guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that is one of the key roles of the inquisition is to is to make this call and we'll cover it more and later episodes, but yeah, this is
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big problem, Galactically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just put it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's more of a big problem for if you're not considered useful, Galactically.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's also there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think at that stage, we'll take a break, because it sets up our next cast, which we're going to go by the Inquisition Friend or Flow of the Citizenship.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Inquisition are definitely friend of the Imperium, but I want to spend a little bit of time on the next cast going into like,
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it the inquisition does and how does interact with the citizenry?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's it like?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that make for the citizenry?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which probably will continue?
[SPEAKER_00]: Some arguing a lot of us interrupting each other and quite a few diatripes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're also going to argue a lot about this because there's a lot of conflicting
[SPEAKER_02]: story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's, I mean, because that's, you guys always probably heard us starting to go, we're on more unturned team order, Malias, Brad's on team.
[SPEAKER_00]: More to Xenos, there's no one we can final be on team heretic.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're a bad person.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, if you're on team hereticus, you're, you got a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can like sisters a battle, but not that much.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I can be subtle about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You said, but not leave a comment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leave a positive positive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to hear a negative comment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't we don't need that stuff on Spotify.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, join the discord.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be at some quite a few events coming up.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll start listing those more out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to add a piece to the website.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can go back in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could have seen me two days before this would be released and Arkansas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was, if you were in Arkansas and you saw Brad, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's our little thing that listing up some more places that will be, it's mostly going to be Brad.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I don't leave my house for four to get as much.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, with that, I'm John Barresides of Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you next week.
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