[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Forty K. Lorcass with me, John Barsati and Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Episode two of Dark Angels, Brad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's dig into how much secrets they want to able to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: All I'm saying, I want to start this off with how excited future me is because future me by the time this is released.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Dark Angels Codex will be released.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I have right now?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not a Dark Angels Codex.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't have the newest stories, the newest rules.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm Jonesing and I'm mad at Future Bread for that guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: No more stuff that he has the secrets, which we already talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Future Bread's got stories that we don't have.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has the book of secrets.
[SPEAKER_02]: So quick recap from last episode, we started with the first legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Emperor brings them in and says, then I've got a very specific task for you guys to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: No big deal, just
[SPEAKER_02]: viciously murder anything and everything I tell you to and do it in a way no one even else knows you murdered them that level of murder.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's like an assassin sort of but also you get I want to make sure you have no credit for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no credit for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like an assassin who burns a galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so no one knows it every even existed.
[SPEAKER_03]: We want to make sure you've killed everyone that's ever known that they were there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we want you to Kaiser Sozy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's an old movie reference, but it's good enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And people don't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's their fault.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna be my favorite movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just let's back boom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_03]: You just let's back, Blade Runner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tap one and two.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I just go with Jaws because when this thing called Oscars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Blade Runner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Blade Runner.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also when the Oscar for best movie of all time, at least number two on my list.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, today we're going to dive into kind of the post
[SPEAKER_02]: Lion Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've now, they've got the lion and things look like they're gonna get a lot better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Spoiler alert, they do for a bit, and then they get massively worse.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've also taken some serious hits.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they get the lion.
[SPEAKER_03]: We want to let's just jump into it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, let's go.
[SPEAKER_03]: They get the lion and the lion immediately solves big, big problems.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, where they lost, I don't know, a third to half of the marines in the legion trying to fight against the ragdun, also slash the crave.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have multiple alien forces that are just wrecking the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_03]: main legit wrecking the galaxy and the lion shows up it really turns the tie and effectively makes them a much better fighting force which again they were psychically and genetically created to have a
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and that's also talk about what the lion brings.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the problem is the emperor was a bit of an issue for these guys because the emperor was this dick came to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what you go do.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't leading them.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just behind the scenes telling them where to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's also telling them to do terrible shit and because he's
[SPEAKER_03]: bad English dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's even worse because he goes, you guys have to do terrible shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: See you later.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, they need particular reason why.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you have to remember also everyone else is getting accolades for everything they do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your closest rivals are literally sending you emails every day about how awesome they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is the thing that they did.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you just got done doing the last thing in the sewers of a planet that you're not allowed to tell anybody about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, nicely, it was the series of planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to radiate a planet to death and can't tell them when we did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's pivot on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about kind of where they were before the line in post line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before the line, they were just kind of thunder warriors.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get a member there.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just adorned with skulls.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just the scary legions.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're also trying to scare people off because they effectively don't have a set press release for what they just did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's like, uh, we don't have a PR guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dark angel here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where if you guys been somewhere doing a thing?
[SPEAKER_02]: You do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, and the line showed up in Caliban.
[SPEAKER_03]: The line's bringing all of the, the lawful neutral.
[SPEAKER_03]: The ultimate lawful material of, it's a nightly order.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have nightly order rules and the lion brings those rules to the dark angels.
[SPEAKER_03]: It actually makes it a lot better.
[SPEAKER_03]: You see it in the writing, you see it in things.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's not an immediate thing, but when you're at least given a reason and rules and this is going to make things better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at Calaban, we have this organized structure at society that's working out and this is what you guys are doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it makes the doing the awful shit a little bit easier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's at least some sort of rule structure behind it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like you're just bad and we asked you to keep being bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a big deal though.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it also changes what the Legion is for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, because the Legion, as you said, the Legion went from being adorned with skulls or they were just almost, they're in my opinion, they're moving towards cruelty.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were, but they did was they excelled at cruelty.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that, in a gay, you know, Drew Carrie, torture, type sense, been sent to like, we're going to go somewhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if we arrive, everyone knows that they're all dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is the best of being awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now instead we're coming in and we are the Knights of the Roundtable.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are here to save the populace from whatever is being attacked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to soak both of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also have a guy that let you rationalize a lot better, too, because to be fair, the lion, at least in the beginning, until a lot of things happen, is the best at rationalizing his own behaviors, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's basically telling his legion, hey man, it's okay to be awful sometimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, how awful, and you're like, I'm gonna think differently in a couple hundred years, but right now what I think is anything goes as long as it's us doing our thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is what the Dark Angels are for a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they kind of circle back to it once lose the line.
[SPEAKER_03]: But things really go well with the line.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also,
[SPEAKER_03]: as with most legions, but even more so with the lion.
[SPEAKER_03]: These guys are literally genetic predisposed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's why I went dig into it said, as we said before, they are the first legion, but they were nowhere near.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they were the top ten for getting on that regained their primal.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got him way from the perspective of the dark angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were the emperor's favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were the first legions.
[SPEAKER_02]: The emperor gave them all of his hardest battles he gave to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then they go to the second Zino side of the ragdain and kind of get their butts kicked.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't kind of get their butts kicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got roll.
[SPEAKER_02]: They lose half the Legion or so, and only get saved by the Ultramarines and the Space Wolves.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who both have their primers?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the primers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're watching all of their legions come up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And these legions, as Brad was saying, they're getting the accolades for clearing all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the dark heroes said they're saying, hey, we were the first ones, whatever happened to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, the lion shows up and does exactly that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because he not only does he give them the leadership, but he also comes through and is giving them a recruiting world.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the now they've got, they actually replenished the ranks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a very, very good recruiting world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you're going to make up a
[SPEAKER_02]: Army.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why not pull from the place?
[SPEAKER_03]: You're making so many announcements.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're getting your purity seals is basically like getting a happy face sticker in school when you're a little kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: It feels nice to finally get acknowledged for all the shit you've already been doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They still have to do some dirty shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at least it's there's some positive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there some positives?
[SPEAKER_03]: They're getting a little bit more known for what they did, but also dad appreciates what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and he gives.
[SPEAKER_03]: He also restructures the shit out of the Legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, massively.
[SPEAKER_02]: One thing it's interesting about at this stage is as we've discussed during the horse heresy as the great crusade is coming to an end.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the point where chaos actually does start affecting some of the legions.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, obviously, know about the word bears who have been doing it kind of forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Screw you, Laura.
[SPEAKER_02]: But one thing we mentioned last time, it was really important to bring up again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Caliban is just barely not in the eye of terror.
[SPEAKER_02]: It also, it looks like.
[SPEAKER_03]: It also, they cleansed it of chaos in the great
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the lion legitimately led a great crusade, but did it on a planet's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: With a bunch of horses and road, yeah, we literally wrote in the circle and killed every beast on the planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the beasts were chaos beasts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they came from cast.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, did you get rid of them?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or did you just kill all the existing ones?
[SPEAKER_03]: Spoiler, he killed all these.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't kill chaos.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like, they're still the taint of cast, still there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they have to deal with this, even though they're on the pure plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so this becomes a really important piece for Dark Angels lore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Them and their battle with Chaos of all the loyalists, except for maybe the Grey Knights.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they're not original chapters.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they are the original chapters.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have the deepest and kind of strongest battle with Chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: One area that we should discuss about that is the Watchers and the Dark, which are a... John's got certain things that he thinks they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: I firmly believe I think they're good nerdlings.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I think they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll discuss with the Watchers and the Dark, are per the Codex's in the books.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are small, humanoid beings that you can't see their face.
[SPEAKER_03]: They wish they could see anything about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't actually see their bodies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, is it to hooded feet if you're hurted?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a law?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a law.
[SPEAKER_02]: We know what they took the idea from.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a job.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you can you can see literally nothing about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we have.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were a giant column and they don't speak and that's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, but they're always kind of around and the Knights of Caliban are all aware of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, the lions aware of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody, I do want to stop on this because in correct me if I'm wrong, I'd love you guys to throw in the comments, but like I don't think that other people know that watchers in the dark exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my thought too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because they're modeled and you're dead right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're modeled on some of the, like the lion has the one on his name.
[SPEAKER_03]: But no one in the Dark Angels books as far as I know, and maybe I'm completely wrong, and I'm just not, I'm black, the waxing over it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But no one addresses that there's a watcher in the dark, like right there when they're talking to somebody from the Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you're right, because I'm trying to think of the Harrison book.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, no one says, like, hey, man, there's a tiny dude sitting right over there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, no one acknowledges these guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that they just can't see them unless you can see into the warp, or they don't really mention it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I do think that the watchers in the dark can obvious can't themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ultra.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it watched the dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to keep standing by.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brad and I discovered discuss this other day.
[SPEAKER_02]: I firmly believe that they are beasts of chaos, but they're good beasts of chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're kind of like, I think good nerdlings.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got to go back to the work on that because the work isn't inherently awful.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we between the elder and humans, we kind of just made it awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the warp, I get ready to remember, used to be a serene pond of infinite energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the thing, why can't, why can't there be good, good chaos gods?
[SPEAKER_02]: Out of percent?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there isn't done the elder episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no chance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Screw everybody on this.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's totally good demons right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: All of the saints for sisters, boom, we'll talk about that later.
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally demons.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the piss of seventeen.
[SPEAKER_02]: The arcade does part two slash all of the imperants made up made up of demons.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just this, there's tons of warp entities that are saints.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're avatars of goodness.
[SPEAKER_03]: All of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was actually because I was going to go with the elder gods.
[SPEAKER_02]: The elder gods are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those feel like warp entities to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: A thousand percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just also.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're basically not even guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were just superjuved.
[SPEAKER_03]: You step out there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fight me on this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Eldar people.
[SPEAKER_03]: The original of their gods were just.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Eldar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Red and I discussed structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: We tried.
[SPEAKER_02]: We went about three episodes per faction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eldar may may hit five.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's stuff to be told.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just, well, there's, I'm going to have to give them an episode on dinosaur writers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Accidates?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's just no way to not do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But back to watching the dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the watchers in the dark are this really cool creature being whatever you want to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: They exist on Calaban.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, but super cool model.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but actually follow the dark windows off.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're not, they're not stuck to the Taliban.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are on Capitol ships.
[SPEAKER_02]: They actually will appear.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the only thing that watches the dark seem to care about is protecting humanity from chaos.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's when they always, basically, the warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: They always appear when something from the war, some either in actual warp entity or later on, you know, if you're fighting people who are alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they will pop up and we've had numerous additions of the game where they could deny psychic powers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they also engaged to give the four up in volume.
[SPEAKER_03]: They basically have the power to project
[SPEAKER_02]: super powerful shields against evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is a cool thing for them to have and is going to, as you guys can probably tell by them for a structure standpoint, if we're talking about it, and then we're going to stop talking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It means it's coming up later.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's the watch of the dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: The exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: They seem to be from everything I've read, but it's never called out explicitly.
[SPEAKER_02]: A entity of good that surrounds a dark angels, which is ironic because this is dark angels up, those point were an entity of bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it started as a little bit of like the lady and the late type thing from that though, because they show up to protect and they, they provide
[SPEAKER_03]: help in the in the times and then the darkest times you get the watches in the dark show.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's move then into the lion leading the dark angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first thing that that happens obviously as we discussed before is the uplift calavan into the dark angel.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they go through and just literally grab every single of the holy crap.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's there are not a lot of
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not a lot of people left activists.
[SPEAKER_02]: They grab everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do one or two things.
[SPEAKER_02]: They either implant them with the organizational organs.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're young enough to be a space brain, you're a space brain.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you're not and you're a night and you're older, achy, gluten, you get.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get the weird steroid treatment, which for someone known reason that you don't know why you get the organs at that point in time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you can die from the organs.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't die from the steroids.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the steroids apparently make you
[SPEAKER_02]: just as good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just as good as another classic GW plot hole where it's like we could do this thing, we're going to make you super soldier.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what if someone's too old for it's okay, we have this incredibly safe option that has almost no mortality.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we just use that and it gives you the exact same the same results.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't we do that every time?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it wouldn't be able to spit acid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is anybody ever spit acid in any book ever?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they can.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even the chaos guys can't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're all wearing helmets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: They uplift everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the dark angels swing back.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dark angels are up to this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_02]: The, the, the, the Ragmansino side had actually swung down.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were kind of, they were on, they were on the bench for a lot of.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they did lose fifty thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fifty thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fifty, they lost half of the ladies, but they were on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they got put on the bench.
[SPEAKER_02]: now they come back out and not all and they go back to better than their prior.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they do an eighties montage video.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And literally the best, the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they one little problem with all this uplifting though is Luther.
[SPEAKER_03]: Luther, you know what, we're gonna pause on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do you hate Luther so much?
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate Luther so much because I don't like massive plot holes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the entire purpose of primarx is that they are perfect beings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every primarx that was found on every planet was almost, it was immediately recognized as a superior being and in some cases worshiped for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Luther is an imperial guardsman.
[SPEAKER_02]: standing next to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the order.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's what he would have been otherwise staying next to a primarck and they write them in the book like they were on some even killed body quest and it's just not the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just not the case.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was I'm sure he could still whiz them of things when he was younger that he did that he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he actually can't because the lions also smarter that by a power of like ten.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not far for it in the gray monster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like we talk about space marines are uplifted through all these organ and airplanes to be smarter and more amazing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just intellectually, more intelligent than a common soldier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Primarks are naturally above that level with no input.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm struggling with Luther being the lion's equal and even thinking he should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Luther may have at one point been looking at the lion's navel when they stood next to each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just struggling on team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, line and I killed all the beasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just envision everyone around going, yeah, Luther, I'm sure you were present.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the ultimate I want to participate in award.
[SPEAKER_03]: So moving on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I needed that a little bit of the ran.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And by the way, I did everyone to know that it gets so much worse.
[SPEAKER_03]: Off record.
[SPEAKER_02]: Off recording.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go off on some of these plattles will be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lion in the dark angels are now pushing towards number one legion again.
[SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to war has to be waged.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's them in the walls and it's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fun side story that actually does come up in modern forty-k a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: At one point
[SPEAKER_02]: the space wolves and the dark angels were sent to a planet that was not compliant.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: No one cares about the plant.
[SPEAKER_03]: What actually the planet was.
[SPEAKER_03]: Leeman and the lion get into a little bit of a squamp.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: The set ups.
[SPEAKER_02]: The set ups good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's just a full set up.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the full set up is they've got the planets surrounded and they're getting ready.
[SPEAKER_02]: to stage the invasion.
[SPEAKER_02]: And for whatever reason, the lion just got.
[SPEAKER_02]: My assumption is that the space walls were having a, you know, a tavern thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have a pre-invasion party.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had a part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the lion was on his ship, listening to the loud music, getting annoyed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just went, screw it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he grabbed, he grabbed his dark angels, goes planet side.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he literally does a Rick and Morty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rick recently.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, when I was drunk last night, I just took care of everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all done now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then Lehman is hired.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's had his party and sees that the whole reason he was having the party was to go down to the planet and do all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's already done.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have to know why, though.
[SPEAKER_03]: because every they're fighting for the Imperium, they're fighting for people to tell sagas about them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's two skulls right now that are halfway through their what was gonna happen in the story and none of it got to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So leave it's piss because his brother just stole all of his glory and also he's coming down in a toga basically from the party last night and just decides that Chuck Norris kicked the line in the head and they're gonna have
[SPEAKER_03]: Adani Brooke, they're just going to throw down.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're just fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the line and Lehman have a fight for a day and a half.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it says in the books.
[SPEAKER_02]: They fought for a day and a half hand to hand and no one could get the upper hand and
[SPEAKER_03]: The lion is serious about this fight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody's attacking me and Leeman decides that, ha!
[SPEAKER_03]: This is awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good time, but I'm kind of done and I'm going to go do something.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when he decides to stand there and say, yeah, put her there.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was all just a good fight.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lion's like, you attacked me.
[SPEAKER_03]: And while the Leeman's doing that, well, the lion equips a power fist and punches him in the face with a power fist.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's usually kills people.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can punch into tanks with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he nice to give Lehman credit.
[SPEAKER_03]: He knocked him unconscious and he got back up a little later.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not super happy because, well,
[SPEAKER_03]: They were, he was unconscious.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lines like, all right, guys, let's get the hell out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the same way, the line appeared in the planet, didn't everything he just bailed in the planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So believe me, it's furious about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is also, let me just put over to that's what happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: First, he missed out on the party and then he got knocked out.
[SPEAKER_03]: We also for him via sucker punch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was just saying he also got sucker punch knocked out and in front of all of his boys, but again to defend the lion here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a sucker punch when someone sucker punches you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You might for eighteen hours and then you finish it with a sucker punch back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're cutting away short of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They fall for like thirty six hours.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they fight their whole thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: To this, the reason I liked all the stories, and it's a cool thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: To this day, every year, a champion from the space wolves, and a champion from the Dark Angels fight, and it's not supposed to be to the death.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know you're saying this, but I don't think people are getting it when you don't put the full time.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like this is a ten year tradition that we have.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's
[SPEAKER_03]: eleven thousand years of them fighting every time every year you're like this is a pretty legit tradition now it had eleven thousand fights yeah it's uh it's a it's a pretty big deal so it's it's throwing down and uh oh yeah there's still not super cool with each other to right now yeah which would please you don't you give me back phone
[SPEAKER_03]: The wolf, the great wolf.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I just don't sign up my personal opinion.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the hardest crime argument, the release.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's just going to yellow swag.
[SPEAKER_02]: The model's going to be so- Oh, he's corrupted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll continue.
[SPEAKER_02]: The next major event that occurs though, pre-Harracy, is what's called the incident at Cerosi.
[SPEAKER_02]: So dark games were sent to a system called Cerosi.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as we've said before,
[SPEAKER_02]: The emperor is aware of chaos corruption, and at this point, I think, Lord Garra is, and that's about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It went as soon as I go to some of the things that's resisting imperial compliance.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just haven't seen the way, and they need to be shown the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't realize that those actually a chaos corruption going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cerrocy is one of those planets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cerrocy is fully corrupted by chaos.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bad English dad, because he knows all about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just as I let it tell them, the challenge with Cerrocy is Cerrocy has no interest in anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: to do with the imperium, but they do recognize they can't really beat the imperium unless they cheat.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they try to cheat pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: They set up a meeting with the lion, which is comically ridiculous and basically two guys with moustaches that they're curling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's let's set the stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lion shows up with a fleet, an invasion fleet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're supposed to say, he calls down to the planet and says, you know, basically, you're not in compliance.
[SPEAKER_02]: And throws your responses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, you're breaking up really badly on this phone call.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got an idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have a wee come to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll just grab one of our ships.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll fly up there and we'll just, we'll meet up with you on your ship when your capital ship and they send up snitely whiplash.
[SPEAKER_03]: Feel free to look that up.
[SPEAKER_03]: God, that's old.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just such a bad plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the, and I'm going to do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about this before, which is some of the times when the primarx, I don't think their plot holes, some of the times I think that the primarx are so ridiculously powerful.
[SPEAKER_03]: and they are so smart that they're like, I don't think that you could do anything that I won't just immediately figure out or just be wildly tougher than you can do with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that sometimes they get into problems because of the fact that they're like, who's gonna do any, what do you think about it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What ends up happening is the Cerosi's plan is they put a giant nuclear bomb on this shuttle that's going to the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the last second before the bomb can explode, Luther and his buddies, grab it and eject it back out into space.
[SPEAKER_02]: The issue is that Luther knew about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, this has been ret caught, depending on which codex you've read around.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just about to say this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brad, you get the old version.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give the new version.
[SPEAKER_03]: The old version is that he wants to be, look like the hero and stop it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The new version is he knew what it all along and he got excited that the line would die and then, you know, he would be in charge.
[SPEAKER_02]: He gets to be in charge because that's how it would work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good news is the mind doesn't die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bad news is he has to do something about Luther and the guys who betrayed him.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you know what you do when someone betrays you and thinks it and is betrays you, not just betrays you a bit, but tries to let you die.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing you could possibly do with take that person and everyone who agree with them and not not kill them and make an example out of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: You send them to your home planet
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the charge of all of your new recruits and in charge of everybody that's training to be recruits and you put them in charge of there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because what could go wrong?
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll learn his fun lesson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to foreshadow part number two of this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't think it possibly happened now.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just we're kind of this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got a lot of foreshadow and guys and it's all going to come to a really rather.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the secrets that this point though, the whole galaxy starts to burn.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's the heresy.
[SPEAKER_03]: But let's be.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give you props, Starcagels.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've had some problems.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're secrets.
[SPEAKER_03]: But.
[SPEAKER_03]: when Horace is looking at who we can convince to come over and who he can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: His, he's got, I'm assuming you just had a big chalkboard in my mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a big chalkboard.
[SPEAKER_03]: And on the foreshore, not going to cast, holy shit, no, is the lion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think the lion is on the one side and angrons on the other side.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, yeah, we, I haven't even asked Angron.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just assumed he was all right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's come and we just, we just say we're doing this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the line is like, is there any world, any, like, if you go to the multiverse, is there any dimension where the line went to chaos?
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, no, but I actually, I do want to spend time on this because this is interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lion you're right would never go to chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dark angels though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, really would because they are just all the things they've been doing for the last thousand years are awful.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Horace knows about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and Horace and the exact.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he's also he knows more than he should because again, the cascads have given him
[SPEAKER_03]: information.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, because Horace knew about the red thirst within the blood angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knows about.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's been given all for a bit knowledge, basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, when you have the God of knowledge for a bit knowledge, he tends to give you some of it knowledge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Zeanx knows a few secrets here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like the thing is, is that's I'm going to give props to the line again.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is how powerful of a personality, not just warrior, that the lion is, that he says, I'm sure it could turn this legion.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, yeah, but not as long as the lion exists.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, well, maybe I could get rid of the lion.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're like, yeah, maybe we just scrap that whole plan and we just send him to Guam.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because, oh, yeah, I love you notice.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lion's real tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lion's real tough and has a real big legion that sure likes to fight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's also got also his inner circle of people are also not going anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the Legion itself has a lot of people that have done shady things probably corrupted by chaos that came from a radiated planet and then they're now home planet is a chaos infested
[SPEAKER_02]: successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: They can fight chaos, but one of the cool thing about them is as we discussed during the horse heresy episodes were the warrior lodges and just to kind of recap those of you who didn't listen or just it's been a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: The warrior lodges were these things of course it came from the word bears that were put in all of the legions.
[SPEAKER_02]: They kind of snuck in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were actually technically illegal.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there were also technically a great idea if it wasn't for the fact that they were full of horrible ideas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The warrior lodges was a way for all everyone was concerned equal in a warrior lodge.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could be sitting next to your primary.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could address them as just an Eric, you know, and whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: thing is, the dark angels already had that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so there was no need for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the dark angels, if I'm not mistaken, I'd have to check.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe they were the only legion without warrior lodges.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they had zero.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the thing is, is that they already had the structure of, yeah, and I already talked to people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But why do I need this?
[SPEAKER_02]: We've met that even if horse
[SPEAKER_02]: wanted to convert the dark angels over.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have any way to actually access it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no real foothold.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though the legion was very susceptible, he'd have to go and ask, yeah, walking up to the lion, or anyone in the dark angels saying, hey, we've got this planet turn on the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it works great, but doesn't work, you're very dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: That you're very dead instantly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I asked the death wing if it was cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm playing it on betraying the Emperor and taking over.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you guys are down with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be a bummer if there was one thousand terminators staring at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I leave now?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's a no.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not see this coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because of all this Horace has left with a very simple solution and Brad alluded to earlier, he just sends the line to the other side of the galaxy and then sends the night lords to go be a pain in the ass and that's out of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a big thing on this and I thought about this for a while before we recorded the episode, which is
[SPEAKER_03]: This is an agenious plot because Horace knows that kind of recruits the nighthunter, the leader of the nightlarts, is the most unreliable if you basically were doing the wheel of alignment.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you've got lawful nature here with the lion, catacevil is Bing Bing, you're got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He, the kind of recruits is all about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But as much as he knows that the nightlords are gonna let him down, but as long as he puts them in the general area, the line is no nonsense.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me ask you actually, he said to me there, the reason Conrad Cruz was chaotic evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's chaotic neutral.
[SPEAKER_02]: Possibly, but he does too much to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's talking about the indie players.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going with, I think, Conrad Cruz's chaotic news.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he is fully insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, it's a failure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the thing about that is he is the antithesis of what the line is.
[SPEAKER_03]: The line is no nonsense, do your duty
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't screw around.
[SPEAKER_03]: You'll follow a code.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Conrad Cruz is, I have no code.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm only gonna screw around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I made the Joker look like he had an excellent plan, a structure in a four or one K. This guy is completely insane.
[SPEAKER_03]: And no one can do anything about it because he's a primer.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he knows that if he sends that out there, that the lion will not stop.
[SPEAKER_03]: He will terminate or chase him down.
[SPEAKER_03]: and basically ignore everything else and go, I refuse to have this clown.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just, it's basic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's actually interesting when you're reading the Horace Harris stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like the dark angels are, they're concerned about the nightlords are doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's usually much more specific of, no, the lion is very concerned about what Conrad Cruz is doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he wants to get sawed him up into small pieces and serving that a diner.
[SPEAKER_03]: He, like, he just needs him to be dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is one of the things
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the fall of a lot of the primarx.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lion, while he has a lot of good intentions.
[SPEAKER_03]: is, while if you're looking for the seventh sense, pride would be he's carrying a large load of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I do think this is interesting because you had at the same time, Gilman had had a similar thing happen with the word bears, and he turned towards Earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when I have to, I need to get back there quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Warpstorm slowed him up.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lion also does have a warpstorm come over top of an adult and but not till a quite a bit later of him,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know I got to get back there, but I just got to go kill this guy first.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just kind of loses himself to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as a result of all this, as the Harrisy continues, the truth is in the book, the Dark Angels are a side story.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the Harrisy, there's, you know, obviously the, there was one up that, a hundred percent, because all you need to do is make, I mean, you know, to give everybody the Dark Angels, we're not saying that the Dark Angels aren't awesome on that, because a chorus changes all of his plans when the mere thought
[SPEAKER_03]: of the fact that the Dark Angels entered the sole system makes everybody piss their pants and change all tactics because we have to win now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because of the Dark Angels show up, we will auto lose.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Dark Angels were the most formidable force.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Space Souls member had found on Prospero.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got hit by Alpha Legion.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Space Souls were actually a little bit injured.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were still good.
[SPEAKER_03]: space was we're also just straight up fighting any.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were doing old world leader.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if anybody played back then when the world leaders had to attack the closest target.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's effectively what was happening with the space was the point of that rule.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was dumb and I played world leaders at the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as we said in our last episode, the lion, Leeman, Gilman all show up to late for the party.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the each have their own idea of what has to happen next.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them has a plan in the structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: A great plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other two have no plans.
[SPEAKER_02]: But vengeance is a key part of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, so we've got three, three legions.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've got the ultramarines who want to reclaim, redecate all the planets back in the imperial decree and basically start getting logistics and everything else.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to crawl our way back out from this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lehman Ross has no plan because he's the road runner and refuses to admit that physics exists and is like I will punch anybody with the first name that starts with L at first and just continues on to ruin people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the Dark Angels are steaming because they are the protectors.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are the guys that do the work.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are the nighting shining armor.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they didn't get to take place in any of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, and again, side note on his way there because he wasn't allowed to work travel because they were taking the long way home.
[SPEAKER_03]: The line is ruining every single chaos plan that he can find.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not re-taking it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just clashing them.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, this is a logistical planet for Horace.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good luck having supplies on your way back to the eye of terror and he's flatlining any chaos plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that he brought back the old version of the Dark Angels and used it just for anyone who thought Horace was cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, hey, man, what do you think about Horace?
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, I'm not a hundred percent who Horace is.
[SPEAKER_03]: He probably isn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Isn't he the warmaster?
[SPEAKER_03]: Close enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Glass the plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it actually makes a difference because the lion and the dark angels decide that the emperor did say, and this could be, there's multiple ways that it's been said, but he basically tells them to
[SPEAKER_03]: Wean against cask.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can say kill cask.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can say.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can see the camera setting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of the versions.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the lines like cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to ruin all cask.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he goes, also, hey, good luck getting back to where you need to escape.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've killed the entire supply chain from here to the I have there on the way here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why did you think we're going to be escaping?
[SPEAKER_03]: Just in case.
[SPEAKER_02]: and it's good you brought up the eye of terror because what is the last stop you'd make as an imperium on your way into the eye of terror to punch chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, calibans right around the corner is right there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to get some supplies.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's exactly what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Archie and Jules are chasing the traders.
[SPEAKER_02]: And by chasing his bread said, this wasn't a one week process.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is over a couple decades of quote unquote chasing them, just following them places and hitting them as hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're ruining stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he is really putting them the beat down on them to be perfectly honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, the lion, we have to say this, the lion has went through.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we'll do another episode on this because there was a time
[SPEAKER_03]: while they were waiting to be able to go to town.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he had some.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're saying, when is the lion and Bobby G had some, when they were setting up another, in the Imperium, the shit went down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lions had a little introspective, but he's pretty pissed off after you have an epiphany of how you should live your life a little bit better.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then someone ruined your life.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, well, um, yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to do some shit to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to correct that that guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they,
[SPEAKER_03]: And they haven't been able to contact Calabin because Calabin is, if you ever watch the cartoons where there's a black cloud that's raining over one person, well, that's Calabin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so let's dive into what's happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Calabin gets enveloped by a warp storm during, if I leave during the horror series.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it literally is just, it never goes in.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one, no one, national paths can contact it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just there.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a dark spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we can kind of, I think we take the story from two sides.
[SPEAKER_02]: The sides on the Imperium is Calabend just disappeared.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, but then, posthorstying it reappears.
[SPEAKER_02]: But not actually right away, it just takes a little bit of time.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they also still don't contact them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have no contact with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they can't get to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the dark angels notice this and they decide, ooh, as soon as they can, they go.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got to go get that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a big thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is another reason why the lion's lawful neutral, because he could have been lying the whole time back to his home world.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he has a duty.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he takes care of that duty to get this done first.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's it's not a I don't care about you.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's I obviously duty is first.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to take care of killing me chaos the emperor my my bad English dad said to do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry English people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I promised earlier some foreshadow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's coming through.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we're going to pivot over to what was actually happening on Calaban during the Horace heresy.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first thing that was going on is Calaban starts to become more chaos.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, all the work these come back into the forest.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you add romances in the forest, the planet turns
[SPEAKER_03]: Well Luther declares himself Grand Puba, Kung Fu Masters, and anybody that doesn't like it, they start purging.
[SPEAKER_03]: Any nightly order that doesn't accept the new rule.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the new rule, by the way, is sketchy as shit immediately.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, hey man.
[SPEAKER_03]: you should join the super, we're called the, the union of evil and people are like, I'd like to not be part of the union of evil.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, I think it might be evil, you know, just because it's called, they're like, yeah, we're gonna have to kill you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They decided to declare their independence from the imperial.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one knows this by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they're surrounded by the chaos storm to know either they're playing this into the wind.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just yelling into the Atlantic Ocean that we're free.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of you are welcome to walk into a forest by yourself and scream.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a strong independent person.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, in the big thing about this is we do have to clarify.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're like everybody knew as evil.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's literally millions of people on the planet.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, I'm saying, I'm talking fighting people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Marines slash scouts slash recruits.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's millions, because again, this is their recruitment plan that have no idea about anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: They just know that they're told to go to here because Luther is pushing people away.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's effectively doing a horse that he's the diet cook of horse at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but which he's a try comparing to any more primarx let's just let's just leave him at
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but he's literally taking guys that he doesn't think could be corrupted or he doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he just goes, hey, man, you should go to Australia.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should go for walking to the woods.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You and your buddies.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then obviously, he's like his inner circle of bad guys murderous people.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a ton of people that just don't know what's happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: They just, they know stuff's not great, but they also
[SPEAKER_03]: No, this is tough times.
[SPEAKER_02]: It can't contact the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can't contact the Lion.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no to Luther's in charge, because that's who the Lion put in charge, because he did actually do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean, we're all different people, but I'd like to believe if someone tried to kill me, I wouldn't then go put him in charge of my family.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, you should go home and take care of everybody I love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it just feels like that's not a good decision.
[SPEAKER_02]: So fast forward, the warp storm is over, the lion and the dark angels fleet arrive in orbit and start getting closer.
[SPEAKER_02]: It began their approach to Calaban.
[SPEAKER_02]: None of the, none of the hails are being received are being replied to, but that's not weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe some is going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're also
[SPEAKER_03]: shields down defense not ready and this is a big deal because they immediately get fired upon him and orbital get cannons right and they lose some ships because they're super not ready for it you're not really you know when you go home and you know like man it's been a long day
[SPEAKER_03]: I hope no ninjas attack me from the sides.
[SPEAKER_02]: They open your door.
[SPEAKER_02]: So again, eighties, nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have the right ninjas?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, that's moving ninjas in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Twenty three or can't even be the last one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all ninjas in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, but right now you're old.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that was a staple of our youth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, hundred percent was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, if you go into this room, a ninja will be ready for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could finally realize that that's just not
[SPEAKER_03]: But that affected what happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: They came in completely unprepared.
[SPEAKER_03]: They get attacked.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the lion weirdly enough, not super excited about this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also the attack.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does tactically nothing besides piss the lion off?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did lose some ships and like a lot of people died.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sorry, everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like tactically for the fleet itself, it was nothing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And now he's just pissed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, yeah, that's also, I want to laugh about this game.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to keep laughing about Luther things because I really do think Luther was an idiot.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's useless when a fleet of ships arrives in orbit and you shoot at them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You really should have a plan other than maybe if I pick a couple of the things armed with bombardment cannons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, the dark angels destroy the planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the lion's response is not a kept it one of well, let's take out their cannons.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lion says go down there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, he starts off with effectively cracking the planet with orbital candidates.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is, I mean, you're not wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: When they land on the planet, which they do do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's whole trot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The planet is breaking apart from the orbital bombardment.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel that I really sum them up when I said, the lion was not happy.
[SPEAKER_03]: about being fired at.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's gone three.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say, yeah, it's gone three.
[SPEAKER_02]: The orbital bombardment that Horace put down didn't do this much damage.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just say if I again summed it up, everyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: The line was not happy about being fired.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't get what you're not understanding about this man.
[SPEAKER_02]: They land on the planet and the lion has one purpose and one purpose only and that is I'm going to go stab with her in his face.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to try we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to trope it up so hard on this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lion comes down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Luther is juiced to the gills.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he is, he tested positive for yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This we're doing, we're going to do the same story we've done throughout the entire heresy where primarq goes to fight non-primarq or other primarq, figuring it's an easy fight, only to discover that they're fully infused with chaos.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he also doesn't want to kill his foster dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he tries to talk him out of this a lot, actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Luther gets the upper hand because Lion just won't finish him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, the show notes I put in here, I've made a comment that, you know, they have a large dual and the lion finally best slew through knocks in the ground and then kills it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe it kills that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be just, you know, he did that at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: That would've been the GW does what they always do.
[SPEAKER_02]: He knocks into the ground and stands up above him and starts lecturing him on all the things and how bad he is and how sad the lion is and how angry the lion is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, again, lawful neutral.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lion's biggest thing is
[SPEAKER_02]: loyalty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you betrayed my loyalty.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's such a big deal with this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that effectively, Luther.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lashes out because the cascads are like, cool, a monologue, best time to hit somebody in the face with every power you have.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I am going to be careful with this because it's going to sound like a copy and paste in this story from another one of our casts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Luther reaches out with powers and uses the force of chaos to kill the lion.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in doing so, he has an epiphany and sees that he's actually in the wrong and feels bad about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he does literally channel the chaos gods directly into the lion's body.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're like, hey, as I'm doing this, when I'm giving you the beam of pure evil, you're like, wait a minute, I might be the bad guy here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This also has two effects.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, it kills the lion, sort of.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to quote that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but air quote, I mean, yeah, sort of kills the lion, but more importantly, breaks the planet apart.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, there's a power of that hit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is how powerful some of the primex are.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is why, by the way, the lion, if you don't think he's top three primex here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm crack because he gets hit by planet cracking beam of death.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, I'm only mostly dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, yes, you just hit me with a cut the planet and half-beamed that hurt a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna have to really shake this out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have a little bit of a nap.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the watchers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, foreshadow, foreshadow part two here coming through.
[SPEAKER_03]: The watchers are like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, like we're not, we're not down the bad sea.
[SPEAKER_03]: The watchers grab the body and the spirited away to the fortress in the side of the planet, which is we won't even talk about how they got there.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there is a giant fortress in the middle of, would have been the middle of the planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the, the, the timinguses weird effectively, the, the core of the planet becomes an asteroid.
[SPEAKER_02]: and the core of the plant that an asteroid that the dark angels then build a fortress on or the fortress was already there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not either way.
[SPEAKER_02]: I read it seven times, guys, and I just got my eyes got tired, so I don't know what I'm telling you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the watchers take him and they put him in a stasis spot.
[SPEAKER_03]: They put him in a stasis spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: They put him in a part of the planet that no one can add.
[SPEAKER_03]: They put him in the fortress in the rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they call him the rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still stand by.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's the work.
[SPEAKER_03]: probably because they can't find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a pocket of the world.
[SPEAKER_03]: They scan the planet.
[SPEAKER_03]: They look for the law.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody looks in the line.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there is absolutely no trace of him whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, watchers ability and off you skate, which I really think that the watchers main.
[SPEAKER_03]: power, psychic power, whatever you want to call it, is if they don't want you to know they're there, they're just not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in the code X is call it out that the emperor knew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that they were so, and the emperor can see into the warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is why I'm going with, he's in the warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in the warp.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they basically, I mean, I have to get props to them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Come on, Dark Angels on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: They literally take the remains of the planet.
[SPEAKER_03]: They strap rockets on and they drive it around.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, orkshit, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They decide you guys blew up our home planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Screw it, which is we blew up our home planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we're being honest, they started it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just finished it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they went, well, we are still going to have a home planet, damn it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it means that we have to put rockets on it and, of giant, I don't know, like, like, Gallerfield, then that's what we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to fly our home planet around because we can.
[SPEAKER_02]: One other piece though that it's important here is they did find Luther was not dead.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is like the beginning of interrogating a chapter to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this gets where the Dark Angels do about Luther is kind of duck is kind of dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's
[SPEAKER_02]: when they come down to the planet, the plants breaking apart, they know their primarcus down there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you do what you should do.
[SPEAKER_02]: You jump down there, like the space walls did when Horace was going to kill Lehman, and they all just jumped on Horace.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't care, you're not getting him.
[SPEAKER_02]: They sacrificed themselves down there, but they can't find the line anywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they don't know that the watchers are telling them, they just think he's been disintegrated.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they do find Luther, and they know did this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they put a beating of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They take him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they will first off they give them a beating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They give them the.
[SPEAKER_03]: They take, man, weirdly enough, you're still alive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we'll just torture you for yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And basically they put Luther in a room.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you go outside the room, there is every single dark angel waiting in line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they all walk in and punch him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it's the next one.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he got punched by every single dark angel.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they start asking questions after.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no interrogation.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just, first, we're going to, everyone's going to line up and everyone's going to punch you in the face.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then afterwards, we'll figure out where we're going to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Luther, too, is credit actually knows a ton of shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: The dark angels, what they strap Luther in to effectively, the same machine the ampers in, just for negative purposes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they do, they put him in a, not golden throne.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They put it, they basically put it in cerebral, but it is all bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're just going to, and they just start interrogating him for ten thousand years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they have literally a torture chair that tortures your soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't even know how you brace for soul torture, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Lou, there's been doing it for ten thousand years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now in that time, the main reason that they're torturing him is
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's kind of circle back to the situation the dark angels are in now.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have been on a crusade to wipe out chaos, only to discover.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are chaos.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, we kind of glossed over this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention that during this whole thing, all of the fallen, which are the guys that went to chaos, or we're just on Caliban.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what happened is at the end, you're like, what happened all the fallen?
[SPEAKER_03]: The fallen were just like the primarx where when they were babies scattered everywhere because the chaos gods thought this was a great ha ha deal with it and just scattered them and I'm talking scattered them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not like a couple of planets over.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are just everywhere instantaneous travel, which is, you know, well, and this is a good move by the caskots because the Imperium knows that the word bears a traders.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know the Lunar Wolves, etc.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know they're all traders.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't know the Dark Angels at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Dark Angels and you know who doesn't want anyone know the Dark Angels or traders?
[SPEAKER_02]: The Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they are single-minded, their new purpose in life is one, stamp out chaos.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, kill all our guys that went to chaos, and anybody that finds out that we had guys that went to chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I was thinking about this a lot when we were doing some of the show notes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lion, but also darkened their lawful neutral.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were given a commandment by the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the commandment was destroy all chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: And anything, so they took that as, as Brad said, there might be how planets that supplied chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: They may not even been chaos, but because they were supplying the Lunar World War II.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the horse, they were now chaos and dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's now you.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with the half, so they decide if anyone finds out about this,
[SPEAKER_02]: they would murder us.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what we're going to do is not let them ever find out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is where the Dark Angels become kind of cool for lower perspective, but also kind of messed up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't mention, no one knows any of this is happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only people who are aware of what's happening at Caliban is the Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true, eleven thousand years later.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, the Dark Angels don't know what's happening on camera, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Most of their Legion has no idea what just went down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not just that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking currency.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even even.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, people that work eyeballs on did not know what was happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: Eleven thousand years later, when you're not telling the dude that's looking at the broken planet telling it what's happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're definitely not telling the dude to eleven thousand years from now what actually happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's why you now have the inner circle.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the people that actually are told what's going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And these come can are basically comprised of tiny amounts of the legion.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about people that are in the first company, the terminator.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have the death wing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have terminators there.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have all these people.
[SPEAKER_03]: that are only brought into, again, getting to terminate our armist, kind of a big deal, by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: But taking these steps up is you are worthy of keeping these secrets, and you will keep these secrets.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they've kept these secrets.
[SPEAKER_03]: They went from the place, the guys that keep secrets to the guys that are crazy.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're whole, society is based on the level of secret.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It gets pretty naughty.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are,
[SPEAKER_03]: The CIA does not have enough secrets to mess with the dark angels amount of secrets.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so to jump us to, because this is kind of the end of, we're going to hit the line very briefly in a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is kind of the end of the story into the forty first millennia.
[SPEAKER_02]: And up to the fourth first millennia, it really important thing for when they're saying is that all of this stuff that's happening with the fallen, with the destruction of Caled and all these things,
[SPEAKER_02]: No one in the Imperium knows about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Lord's of Harra had no wife.
[SPEAKER_03]: You didn't mention the the risen, but we'll just move off from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll go into normally if this podcast had been recorded a year ago, we would finish there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But
[SPEAKER_02]: GW.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lion is back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did us a huge favor and have moved the story line for dark angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank God.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not in Abidans.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thirteenth Crusade for the last twenty three years.
[SPEAKER_03]: We finally moved on in the last two years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as Brad mentioned, the being of this cast, you will probably be listening to this around the same time the code X comes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we, we wanted to time this that just so people had to record a podcast edit and whatnot takes a couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So rather than be a few weeks late, we decided to be right on time, but it means we don't have all the information.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, we can't give you what we knew already.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the lines back now.
[SPEAKER_02]: The line is woken up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the line is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Old scenes some shit lie in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm excited to do and we will do for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we're going to do another cast of the Dark Angels and really talk about where the games going and the Dark in and why the Dark Angels are at the forefront of that of the where the Lord is going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the light, but let's just give everyone kind of for those of you who are, you know, newer to it, the lion, the watch of the dark release him from
[SPEAKER_03]: wherever they were and he goes through he goes on literally a vision quest look at the size of that chicken but he literally goes on a vision quest where he has to find out he has to find himself he has to defeat a false emperor he has to find out and you wonder if the watchers actually in the books by the way read the lion's book it's great the newest books really good really good
[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is, is that I think that the watchers might have been, in multiple things, are testing the lion to see who the lion is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he still the lion?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where, what is he?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he got attacked in his soul.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think they're trying to see if he's still, if he's still pure lion or if he's corrupted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe less pure lion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's, it's a really cool and I'm excited to see where they're going with this because I think the dark angels are great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was happy that we were doing them as our first Legion focus because they've got
[SPEAKER_03]: really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the thing is, is that they're one of my favorites because they're not Mary soon's about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not perfect.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have they have so many flaws and they're always dealing with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're what they're probably.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the reason we once were that they're I think the most complicated of the legions because of that because they went from
[SPEAKER_02]: borderline evil, like the level.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, if they were borderline, they were kind of just evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's just a bit from the perspective of the imperial.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're anti-heroes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the point.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're anti-heroes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then they become knights, King Arthur, and now they're knights, but with maybe one of the worst secrets of, I'm actually half us or traders, which sets us up for... No, but that's a big thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You have to say why it's a big thing though.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not like they just went at or we're world leaders and retreaters like everybody's like whatever warrior's we don't care
[SPEAKER_03]: These are guys that live their life by a quote.
[SPEAKER_02]: The quote is quote.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and the quote is we're not traders.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, and they shattered that code.
[SPEAKER_03]: They went, this is everything that we say.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are, and we take great pride.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, when I said the seven sins and the lion has, you're like, there's six others and there's pride in your pride's like, why did anybody else show up?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking about this the other day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the, when you play for DK, it's always kind of weird when you're playing an imperial faction and you're playing against someone who's playing an imperial faction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless one of those factions is starting to say, it's actually kind of cool, because when we talk about the following, remember, the following are not corrupted the way that a lot of other legions are where they would have beasts of chaos or you know, plague marines, you know, whatever, whatever you want to be, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: The fallen are just dudes, they're space marines.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a fallen looks identical to a non-fallen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't know which one you're playing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know what you mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Either way, I say playing against or playing as.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's one of the really cool elements of the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: To me, it helps with a narrative, because when I play competitively, I like competitively, but I do the narrative.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's also the fact that
[SPEAKER_03]: if you happen to find out their secret, you're like, sorry, Salamanders, but we're gonna have to fight you right now because we don't need you telling people about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like Salamanders, like I said, a Salamander fleet got a little bit off course and landed at what used to be Calaband and goes, hey, where's your planet?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Dark Angels have to go, come here, we'll tell you about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lean in real close.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, still ends justify the means for Dark Angels, which is always
[SPEAKER_02]: that is they're crazy on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with that, we'll come to the end of this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: On our next episode, we're going to dive into more of a fun episode talking about some of the units that make up the Dark Angels Army, why we like them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And kind of why we like playing Dark Angels are playing against Dark Angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: Spoiler alert, I don't know if playing against Dark character.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what going we can do that episode and then that'll be our last episode and the stockings will coverage for now for now until the maybe two or three weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, for the eyes, we may have to do an emergency.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wait, there's more.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Brennan discussed.
[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't want to do an episode on theory.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'd rather just do one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can read the code.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with that, please join our Facebook and our Discord.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to get a bit more engagement there, Brad, and I was planning a lot more time on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been getting some comments written on Facebook letting us know stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Please keep doing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: any questions you guys have, any criticisms you have, please put it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And how's a ton?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: We hope that episode sixteen is terrible compared to episode sixty because of the fact that we got so much feedback that we continually fixed all of the wrongs.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are literally recording this in my basement.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are doing a lot of this ourselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: My effects studio John.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: High effects studio of my basement.
[SPEAKER_03]: While drinking wine, of course, forever.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is wine.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's sick, you part of the bag.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's how you lure me in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're better.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do it at your house in my house.
[SPEAKER_02]: My house has lots of wine in a comfy chair.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in the car.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brad is on his way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But with that, please show us next week on John Barcise's Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_02]: Skye.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you next week.
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