[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_05]: Welcome to Forty K. Lorkas with me, John Barsadian, Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's been eight episodes and we kind of finished off when I kind of we did finish off what I think the most linear story of Forty K. The horror services.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the basis story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is the creation story of Forty K. And I believe that a hundred percent that's how I get into the game.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I read the history of the horror's heresy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the basis of the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now
[SPEAKER_02]: It's about to go freestyle.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now we can get free styles.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the part I think Brian and more have been more excited to get to.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had to tell the original story because we didn't have to we didn't want to fill every podcast with and spoiler alert.
[SPEAKER_05]: So now we get to actually branch out and decide to go kind of the most extreme.
[SPEAKER_05]: We went from what I would call the most heavily canon, which is the horse heresy, every book written for thirty years.
[SPEAKER_05]: Had to.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, ninety nine percent.
[SPEAKER_05]: to now what I would the terminal is esoteric lore the old ones where we're going to talk about something where I mean I'm not even sure what's canon that's the one is it's so out of the blue and a lot of this what we're going to have happened now at dollar listeners is we're going to use stuff that's in the books that's in mostly codex's for for old ones out not where it's small reference
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not just a codex old ones because it doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not a novel about the old ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: The old ones are only referenced in other people's stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are the back characters in other people's storylines.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been referenced in a decent amount of Necron novels.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Necron is the easy one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Necron, Necron codex.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eldar.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Orcs, of course.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, but they, they're never the main character.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're, they these guys that did some stuff in the in the old times.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when we say old times, this is sixty five million years ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think this would be a lot more fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: What we were doing before was kind of almost telling you guys a story that was written now where like rereading you Tolkien and now we're getting to know John and I are going to argue.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, are you a lot around.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also there's been a lot of
[SPEAKER_02]: What now could be considered fan fiction, because there's a lot of people that used to win that job.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what it's about to get to is we are don't worry.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to be touching on certain invading species from from certain outside of galaxies that may have certain resemblance to certain serious fans, which is pure fan fiction, but
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, the truth is, I also worked up a fan fiction.
[SPEAKER_05]: We should remember we're not talking about fact here.
[SPEAKER_05]: So if enough fans believe it, almost like a thinker belt type scenario here, you know, or this could become canon.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I tell everyone this, it's going to be a bit of fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: Also, I do, I wrote a little spoiler alert to myself, and I might have read this.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is going to be a discussion about the origins of the universe, according to about half a dozen people who live in Nottingham, England.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's who wrote this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is also the people that don't work there anymore.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's also, also, most of them don't work there anymore, and some of them are dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, downside of a four-year-old game, some of the original writers weren't died.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's from my comments and go, the biggest question where we're immediately going to argue about.
[SPEAKER_05]: Who the hell are they?
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's jump into this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Who are the old men?
[SPEAKER_05]: So they are described in the books that I've read as lizard men, which I immediately both thanked and hated GW for reinforcing my history channel, Ancient Aliens show.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just all the lizard people.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's all the lizard people.
[SPEAKER_05]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest thing on this is that you have to go in the myth of where the fantasy, give me the old, all you old fantasy players, if there's anybody left out there,
[SPEAKER_05]: is a ton of your left and all bitch constantly about Sigma.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me my square base is back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Move a trace of life.
[SPEAKER_02]: But one of the big things is that
[SPEAKER_02]: They, in that lower, they supposedly created the slant, the lizardman, the lizardman leaders, the slant were the leaders, the spiritual and magic leaders of the lizardman in their own image.
[SPEAKER_02]: So were the old ones, lizardmen?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, maybe I think it's the most can inversion of them is them being lizardmen.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, I didn't think there would Lizardman.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're the slander.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you look at the slander and the slander wildly different than Lizardman.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think they're more reptilian.
[SPEAKER_05]: Maybe than then Lizardman is more of somewhat reptilian.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, one important piece here is they were not gods.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're going to get to that in a second because it does come up in somebody they do about.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, John, this is where we detour right away.
[SPEAKER_02]: We disagree.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about what the old ones could do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then everyone can make their decision on whether they're gods.
[SPEAKER_02]: First off, they created life out of nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do when they don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the part that I was going to get to this.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is what your engineers, this is, but this is work.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's annoying.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you read some of the codexes, they shepherded life.
[SPEAKER_05]: He doing cardings, but other ones like the joke hero, I don't know, maybe they found one orangutan in his other.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just mean, it's, yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a rocket record record record.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the thing is, why this is so much fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the big thing is that, well, let's, we're going to pull back with just a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, let's go to this time and place in the warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no warp, but there's what there is.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The warp is a
[SPEAKER_02]: flat crystal clear lake.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no chaos, gods, there's just, and the old ones are tapping into the warp to do whatever they want.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is a calm, serene pond.
[SPEAKER_02]: No waves whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they are literally doing
[SPEAKER_02]: They're Bob Rossing at their painting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I happy happy new species on it.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're gonna make a little happy tree over here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Everyone's, we're gonna build out the world.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think, but let's just focus on what they were.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so what they were was possibly reptilian.
[SPEAKER_05]: The first sentient beings in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, the first successful sentient beings in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first sort of civilization, because you have
[SPEAKER_02]: different, I mean, yeah, dinosaurs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, predates to get that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So just for everyone's reference, we're done, sixty five million years because I have a child, so I can lie to them.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's one of these things.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dinosaur's date to two hundred and fifty million years.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're not going to be like, hey, vang, don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're, we don't know how long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Catan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Catan, whatever you say, tans in a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they are immortal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, in the old ones are,
[SPEAKER_02]: where they immortal did, they could die of course.
[SPEAKER_05]: So let's actually just, you know, let's just get in trouble.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's just make decisions here.
[SPEAKER_05]: So one of the things I wrote down was where the old ones immortal.
[SPEAKER_02]: They live long enough for people thought they were immortal because they lived longer than anybody.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, but that's my thought.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think they're immortal because it actually better words perpetuals.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we discussed perpetuals before.
[SPEAKER_05]: They can definitely not perpetuals.
[SPEAKER_02]: You shoot them in the head.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're super dead.
[SPEAKER_05]: They go away.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the question is were they immortal or were they just so long lived that they were effectively immortal and immune to most problems?
[SPEAKER_02]: because I think they conquered most of the stuff with their magic slash biology technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they had, they were like elves in, to be honest with you, elves in mythology.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have high tech spaceships.
[SPEAKER_05]: with that, but they had mixed technology and they weren't immortal because even talking else eventually did die, but it was foul.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to die to the cold.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not getting cancer.
[SPEAKER_02]: They cure that immediately.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they also had a weird, because you were coming to the war earlier, I kind of find a rough thing, because someone does to get, I'm going to do it in order.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we can't, so they're not immortal, but they're, they can live forever.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they're, they're great trick was the warp.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were the, they were,
[SPEAKER_05]: from historic history, the first creatures to be able to manipulate the work.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they were the first people to know that the work existed, period.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's not, it's not the work of today or the forty of four years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a endless power.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's literally a, it's a lake of, it is a sea of power.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just a, how about this?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going even farther.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an ocean of power upgraded every time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, is that again, it's serene.
[SPEAKER_02]: There isn't the eddies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And isn't this turbulent storm that the warp is now full of hazards and everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is nothing.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is, but there's nothing to put it there yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because it has been fed yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anyway, to this state, it's sixty-five million years.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to use the Earth, we are in the Cretaceous period, where we have T-rexes, or trying to eat, I'm going to make my kid, if he really listens to me, so happy.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have a T-rex, trying to, you know, munch on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, sir.
[SPEAKER_05]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was definitely not going to sort of sort of pelt up, and we can go hard here if you want.
[SPEAKER_05]: All the, all the, all the inverse of hydro sorors, that's what's ruling the Earth right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: And throughout the galaxy, it's kind of the theme of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Eldar are probably at this stage eight,
[SPEAKER_05]: fledgling race at sixty five million years.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're coming up slowly because they were more brought up during the war haven.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not a lot of there also again where they completely made by the old ones or not.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to get there but I'm saying like the war's not hasn't been fed with at all.
[SPEAKER_05]: Any of the there's no lost there's no murder.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, sure animals eat each other, but it's not the same as it's not a psychological imprint.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly, because the warps, not like the corn is not fed by a fish.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's fed by, I want to kill that fish.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is blood loss, effectively.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the warp is safe.
[SPEAKER_05]: However, the interesting about that is the old ones
[SPEAKER_05]: Seen Don doesn't the warp was not a great thing because they built the webway gates to get around it.
[SPEAKER_02]: True.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they, I think they wanted to not corrupt.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they know there's a serene ocean and they want to get around it without pollute because they're also, where they literally go friendly and say, yeah, there we go.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're vegans.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, damn it.
[SPEAKER_05]: No wonder they don't.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Iron deficiency.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a big thing on this because they created, well, let's talk about the things that the old ones did.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: One, their biggest websites creating a several of the Forty-K species.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: They created the Webway Gates, which are a safe and fast means to travel the entire galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is between the warp and real space.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's a weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the half or two.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do the stranger things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The upside down.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the space between it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But then at the same time, they also did want to uplift civilization.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to warn them in a little bit that they decided to pseudo uplift and then bail on.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they did.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were looking around for civilizations.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were looking for who was good and who was bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: They kind of helped them up and others not.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of the obviously mankind was in there, but they're pretty fledgling.
[SPEAKER_05]: They saw a potential there.
[SPEAKER_05]: And some of the books kind of hint that they may have helped with some of the movements evolutionarily for mankind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the big ones all, let's just go to the two, the two banks of our works.
[SPEAKER_05]: Orcs were later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what we just held up.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm saying, but like the, as far as like, yeah, once they did period canon, this isn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Eldar and Orcs are them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eldar and Orcs and we don't know if did the engineer and existing race or do they create a race?
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the question mark.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to be honest with you, if I was going to go to my Vegas betting odds, I think they engineered elder and I think they made quarks.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Orcs are a genetic, like, just you made.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's something weird about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because orcs, which we're going to do, orcs are spores.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, orcs are like, we're going to do minimum three episodes and orcs.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm saying the minimum.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's an engineered race.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I feel it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They made that race.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they uplift it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think I would.
[SPEAKER_05]: I were uplifted.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think mankind, they're probably starting up left with four certain things went wrong during a two-and-a-short while here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, let's go to things.
[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't do well.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to the first one.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to talk about is Necrons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the necront here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on, the specific with them now, because they're still in the necront here.
[SPEAKER_05]: This place necront here.
[SPEAKER_05]: So while the old ones are doing this, as we've said, you know, the uplift of the works, mankind, there are races all over the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's talk about the necront here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're a dominant race at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Necrontere were from a, and a lot of people that really are like, why who cares that their homeworld was bombarded with radiation?
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is why you have to care because the Necrontere homeworld was so radiated that it actually changed the core DNA of the Necrontere, and they were all
[SPEAKER_02]: genetically predisposed to die from effectively weird radiation sickness.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the challenge that Necront here is one thing is, you know, we talked about travel.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we talked about my, we've, we've, we've, we've, we've traveled a lot if you look at the Norpodcast as we book like logistics.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Necront here were this
[SPEAKER_05]: pretty aggressive warring race that was conquering the stars, but they had to do them piece by piece because they had no access to the warp.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were also access to the web way.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were literally flying at faster than they traveled, but just
[SPEAKER_05]: That's still not.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were doing, they were crazy people about that though.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would send generations to go war with somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, OK, your grandchildren, grandchildren will be fighting this war.
[SPEAKER_02]: And people were like,
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they're expanding.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this is work, I have like, this is where I like the old ones a lot.
[SPEAKER_05]: The old ones are sitting there in some ways running a galaxy, but not really running a galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're the biggest player in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: They got the most power in the galaxy, but the challenge the old ones have is they're not that numerous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're not a, they're also completely unprepared because I think that they're, while the old ones did a lot of great things, I think the old ones,
[SPEAKER_02]: eventually died to their own vanity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then this goes into with probably the neck runs and that crown's already.
[SPEAKER_05]: reproducing race.
[SPEAKER_05]: Who are at the time?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, quite numerous.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they start just creating problems for the old ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're creating issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, they're also going back to the Necrontiere because this makes a big deal.
[SPEAKER_05]: They should look with Necrontiere because it doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they don't know what I'm saying, but it makes a big difference in how this next negotiation works out because every single people, I just got into argument this morning about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: J.o.
[SPEAKER_02]: pants are still wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the Negrant here, effectively genocided everyone they met.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and literally they showed somebody up and went, we could talk to them or we could just take every looks like it's mine now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, be a real bummer if everyone died.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like every single interaction they've had was a just slaughter fest.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the old ones are, they're not a mission, but it feels like they have a network of, we know kind of everything that's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they know that this is going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: They also, again, have instantaneous travel throughout the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a, also, this is a web way gate at peak efficiency.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is not for your first millennia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look at this.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is not the cost of the point A and I arrive in point B a quarter second later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were instantly everywhere.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were going everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: They kind of knew everything based on the fact that they could cheat and be anywhere they wanted to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they knew that the Necrontier, while a advanced race, by the way, their technology is not so this way.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I mean, in what my question is, and I've done my research, but I defaulted you on this one because you've been not my coverage that I have.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't see anywhere where the old ones uplift the Necront here.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, it looks like Necront did it all in their own.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all in their own.
[SPEAKER_02]: They also have, if you give an accurate to your credit, they have technology that still has not been matched.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's just gosh, they're the teleportation technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a ton of things the Necrons have right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: The reanimation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every they have we better nano technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have better stuff than
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a gift of controlled scarabs were a big hit for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: They would have done a better job than the imperial does with just raising an entire civilization out of nothing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they were poisoned.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're genetically poised.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this is this is kind of where the birds that's going to be about the old ones ever uplifting them is the necrontier do have this problem.
[SPEAKER_05]: They actually have a very short lifespan compared to anything else in the galaxy because they basically poison the from birth.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I horrible death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just that their DNA literally says you are radiation poisoned at birth.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, figure it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they had tech.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had wild tech.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also their civilization is really based on or tech though.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's another thing that they everything in their civilization is based on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need to get from point A to point B to kill something.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if your technology doesn't advance that, we kind of don't care about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Necron tier reach a point where they keep bouncing into the old ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they notice an interesting thing about the old ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: They seem to be immortal to them.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're never sick.
[SPEAKER_05]: Every interaction that look healthy, they look happy, they're doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's the same ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, effectively, the individual ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's not that many to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: It never seems like they're very popular at all.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I think it's actually one of the big problems that the old one's had is for whatever reason they did not populate and it will backfire.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the like the neck on tear literally hold them as like there's a trio of old ones because we meet the same guy for generations and
[SPEAKER_02]: They clearly probably have the answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to be perfectly honest, to be fair, they do.
[SPEAKER_05]: They know that the old ones could one hundred percent of hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the problem is, is they also tell them that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the necrons here go great deck move by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you could have just lied and said, no, we can't help you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the old ones, the necrature code of the old ones and go, hey, we've got this problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Literally, we die and we work.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a death sentence of birth.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And can you help us and the old ones go, yeah, that seems super easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, are you going to help us?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the necrature.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to their credit get real man about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, which again, I'm not going to criticize them for of like, hey, super benevolent race.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's helping everyone else out.
[SPEAKER_05]: Can't but sell.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, now Brad, never works this necessarily on why the old ones didn't help out the neck around here.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Brad, I like your take on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a big thing because I feel that the old ones saw that if they uplifted the necrontere, that the necrontere would now have their only shortcoming taken away and they were already a plague and the galaxy to the old ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you take that away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you have a mortal necrontere
[SPEAKER_02]: effectively just destroying the galaxy forever.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so they didn't get to them.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the next one here decide, we'll screw you on and your stupid technology.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to kill you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Problem for them is, right, they're their weapons are incredible.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're built for war, and they're about to wage a war that with someone who can move anywhere in the galaxy in an instant has warp weapons that you've warp powers you've never even encountered before.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't even know exist.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's not even a competition.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, the old ones just run through them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get smoked.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's like a laughable.
[SPEAKER_02]: They make their they disintegrate ships.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's just it's nothing.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's colossal.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the interesting about the old ones is they don't wipe out the neck around here.
[SPEAKER_05]: They just push them back.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they just repel.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't even just they don't attack him ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: They push them back.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't say they put them saying they when they get when they fight they win
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the net crunch here find themselves though in just a small corner of the galaxy still being irradiated.
[SPEAKER_02]: And real mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so angry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, so angry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go super specific on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one will know this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They go Steven Steven Eric some levels of man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talaamos mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Someone looked right out before me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Stop making references that predate digital taxes.
[SPEAKER_05]: These are old books, by the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: These are books are written typewriters.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the next one to your runer problem and the problem they run into is they just lost horribly.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got beat eighty to three.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean there's not there's no fight here and
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they, here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is glossed over because in the, even in the coatings and stuff, they actually, this, the fact that the old ones beat them, cool, then they met the Catan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: They effectively started studying different their songs specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they noticed that something's going on in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they find out that there's star gods, there's entities in that.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of the things I represented is, it's all these real codex.
[SPEAKER_05]: They noticed their son was dying.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they thought, if it's so this has been rewritten, so depending on which Necron codex you go into, just this, that's because the content is literally eating the son.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so we'll take a quick left turn to what a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know how many of them there are, but they don't seem to like each other very much, and they're super independent.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the Neckron is also immortal entities.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the dawn of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: So these things predate everything.
[SPEAKER_05]: and the net crimes about three different stories here and how the net crimes meet them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Story number one is the kind of the lazy one of like we looked at our son and there was something in our son.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the other one was we spent almost a thousand years trying to communicate with them and I actually liked that story quite a bit because there's so angry and they need some way to fight back that they are literally yelling
[SPEAKER_05]: And a star one of the other stories I like though is actually was that they were so angry at the old ones that their anger triggered the C-tans to say hey this looks interesting and kind of went
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey, kind of what's up.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the reason why the fun little bit of the ret kind here, that GW is done around NACRONS, is all of the stuff that we know about the interaction between the CTAN and the NACRON tier, comes in their interaction with a very specific CTAN.
[SPEAKER_05]: whose nickname is the deceiver.
[SPEAKER_05]: So there you go, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did your negotiations go with the deceiver?
[SPEAKER_05]: The entire history of the C-TAN comes from the deceiver.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, engineered himself to get a body.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I was going to go, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: To meet the Necrons, but also, it's not like he just did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He actually avatars himself out and goes meets with a whole bunch of them and kind of figures out that the Silent King who will be the Silent King has the most pull but is also effectively the most angry and is willing to do anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like any of those I make a deal with the devil.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should probably read the small print.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they didn't realize his name was the deceiver.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, man, who are you negotiating with again?
[SPEAKER_02]: The deceiver?
[SPEAKER_05]: This should all go well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this is going to go great.
[SPEAKER_05]: So according to the deceiver and this is, again, I make you guys, I like the use of according to the deceiver because it's an important tab.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, the downside of this whole thing is we don't have an alternative history.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we've got the story from the receiver and nothing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Those are our two choices.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're going with what the receiver says is that the old ones and it actually fought the C-Tan a long time ago at some point maybe.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like at the beginning of time, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the old ones beat them down pretty badly because this is going to be an important piece later.
[SPEAKER_05]: The old ones had mastery of the warp, the C-Tand don't.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the C-Tand and the Necront here make a really good alliance because they both have a similar problem.
[SPEAKER_05]: They hate the same person, the old ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they have the same problem.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they can't fight through the warp.
[SPEAKER_05]: So what are we going to do together?
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to team up.
[SPEAKER_02]: In one of the worst negotiations of all time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You give me an endless supply of your souls for me to lunch on.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we are going to do a neck run episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: So some of the stuff those of you who aren't who are big neck runs.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, neck had fans were not we're not not not keeping over this forever.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're just trying to get to a point.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I mean, it is a pretty shit deal.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is what I'm saying, but we're going to skip some of the elements of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: To be honest, we will go on to with a Necrone episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: The nobles are pretty complicit on the fact that everybody except for the nobles is effectively going to be a buffet for the Dan.
[SPEAKER_05]: So what the, what the Katan realize, I'm going to keep going Katan, see Tan that way when I edit this, I can't make a choice.
[SPEAKER_05]: So y'all are just gonna deal with this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, I grew up in a place with heavy accents, so we're gonna mess around.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually have no idea what it is.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't either, so I'm just gonna keep bouncing back and forth, so I'm right part of the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the challenge is that the Katan, as we've said, we're gonna see Tan feed on the energy of stars.
[SPEAKER_05]: They tend to latch onto a star or they eat it until a star dies.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then they have them go to another star.
[SPEAKER_05]: Luckily, they're in the Milky Way.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of stars.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they, almost, this is nice homage to the warp entities later, discover that actually feasting on the soul is way better.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so much more efficient too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, these guys are going from like, you know, shitty ground beef to full amen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're, we're going to, they juice up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we're going hard here.
[SPEAKER_05]: And also, there's a lot of necrontins.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so this is actually going to win for them.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that they convince
[SPEAKER_05]: the Necront here, that they can, this, I mean, it's, well, let's talk about what they do though, because it's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I was thinking about the last episode or one episode before we talked about the deals that the traders made with the chaos gods, where it's that piece of like, you know, we'll use Nergal.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't worry.
[SPEAKER_05]: Give your souls to me and this plague, you will not, you won't die.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're struggling to play on this plague, but you won't die.
[SPEAKER_05]: The C-TAN offer up the Necrontere.
[SPEAKER_05]: We will give you the immortality.
[SPEAKER_05]: You've always wanted.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will be immortal.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Immortal.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, you will be immortal with no soul because the Necrontere who will become the Necrontere, who will become the Necrontere, to transfer their entities, their consciousness into robot bodies.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the process, you, in the transfer of process, unless you're a noble, your soul goes right on the buffet, the lunch buffet.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's hitting the stead.
[SPEAKER_05]: There is no.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is delicious.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's hard.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it says there's like, that crimes are neither AI, but they're also not fully self-aware.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're a weird in between.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like the, it's like the, it's like the, you know most often.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm saying, but the Necron warrior, it's almost this, you know, eight half the soul.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's still enough, and then that you're trapped.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a soulish consciousness though.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's something.
[SPEAKER_05]: They took up Chuck, you're still in there, but you're not.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you're not.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so this point, this story will get to the Necron.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's actually pretty cool because they should effectively build factories where you walk into the factory for like, oh, upliftment day, which this has been a numerous sci-fi movies and video games.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you guys are all aware of this, but I'm going into upliftment day, and then
[SPEAKER_05]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna be upgraded.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: You will live forever.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so what happens now is the necrons become an immortal and actually in some almost undying force because these robots, I think, can actually do a breads of it reanimate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they have effectively, which is every sci-fi uses, we can't explain something.
[SPEAKER_02]: How does it work?
[SPEAKER_02]: Nanotechnology.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nanotechnology.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nothing better than a good sci-fi nanotechnology.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they
[SPEAKER_02]: And the big thing about this is, well, go into the gamer version.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Necrons used to just disappear because they have teleportation technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not only they have the nanotechnology, but they just re-animate.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you kill a Necron,
[SPEAKER_02]: their nanotechnology just rebuilds in that ground as long as there's even a little piece of them left we can make more neckline which will go in the other minute because they went we'll just make it so there's not anybody left so but they have the ability to basically if there's a finger of a neckline left or rebuild the whole thing
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and they can also teleport it back to the factory.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they effectively have the emergency eject button on all of their every single warrior, every single anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Their big platforms, everything they have, if it gets beat up enough, it automatically teleports back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is how they're so wildy advanced.
[SPEAKER_02]: the distance doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will instantly go back to a factory to be rebuilt.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so what's crazy about this is it means that even though the neck rent here, they are numerous don't get me wrong, but they technically have to build a single more unit because then they've already built is there forever.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Necrons now are teamed up with Lucy Tan and they explode out of their part of the galaxy into the old ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: And as we discussed earlier, the old ones are not that numerous.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not only in the numbers, I think it's too part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry to jump all over them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, it's, I feel like not only, again, we already talked about the effect the old ones are very few.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're probably this is tiny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, really tiny about me.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are super powerful individual entities, but very few of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, I think that they really didn't see this level of FU going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is such a wild leap in from a race that it's a creator race.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a, I am willing to literally sell my soul to the devil.
[SPEAKER_02]: to make this happen, and I feel that the old ones just didn't get that this was an option.
[SPEAKER_05]: The old ones I think were a little bit overconfident, and how the galaxy functioned and working.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's vanity, and like I said earlier, I think that they're own vanity, and then down for because I feel that they
[SPEAKER_02]: didn't think they've already won every time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's not that they won.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would be different if they just were victorious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've never fought a battle where they didn't laughably win.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just, okay, yeah, this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And since the beginning of time though, so if you're literally millions of years in and every time you've been in a fight, you flick jab somebody and they fell unconscious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're probably not ready for a twelve round knockout brawl as they were not ready.
[SPEAKER_05]: So not only do the necrons, just the necrons, now it isn't necrons, just start wiping out sections of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: They even eventually breach the webway because the thing with the necrons is they can't access the warp, but the webways not the warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's also they figure it out because it is technically technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so because it is a construct.
[SPEAKER_05]: And now that old ones are, as we said earlier, they are immortal.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are not perpetual.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they begin dying.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this one proves this launches in to maybe one of the most important parts of Forty K.
[SPEAKER_05]: which is what they do.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's two races.
[SPEAKER_05]: One I care more about the other, but I actually do care most of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's go to my babies real quick.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'll do Brad's babies first.
[SPEAKER_02]: They juice up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They give so many PDs to the elder.
[SPEAKER_02]: They become a race.
[SPEAKER_05]: built for speed.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, and my opinion was I think they looked at the Eldar, I said of all the species we've encountered in the world in the universe.
[SPEAKER_05]: These ones most resemble us with their kindness and their compassion.
[SPEAKER_05]: Wow, are they wrong on that one?
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm looking at you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the thing is, we'll talk about this in the other episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: and our feel and live everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's considered a hundred or a thousand times more than a human.
[SPEAKER_02]: but they also wore a hundred to a thousand times more.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're the first ADHD focused drug kids in the galaxy and they whatever they do they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: What we're going to do is is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they said we need you to fight the Necrons because we are getting trucked and they made their in the thing is is about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: The elder at the time, it becomes something different.
[SPEAKER_02]: The elder eventually use the warp to their whole society is psychic.
[SPEAKER_02]: But at the time, their psychics are four war.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have constructs of war.
[SPEAKER_02]: They only do psychics to defeat the enemy that doesn't have psychic defense.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to talk about that again.
[SPEAKER_02]: They made a psychic
[SPEAKER_02]: race that is literally made to defeat a non-psychic race.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, hey, we don't have the technology to take care of them shooting us.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, they don't have any defense against having their minds exploded.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's make a bunch of people to do all of mine.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they throw them out.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the Eldar are just sort of an uplifted race.
[SPEAKER_05]: They already existed and the idea is, I am my opinion.
[SPEAKER_05]: The idea is that the old ones were going to hand the galaxy over to the Eldar.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were their backup plan.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was always was their backup plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree on this.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whatever was going on, the Eldar were the backup plan.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the thing with the Eldar is it's queues the Eldar at warring.
[SPEAKER_05]: They needed some other things.
[SPEAKER_05]: The next race and they created one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the impossible.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did kind of break the Eldar.
[SPEAKER_02]: because I think that the elder were supposed to be these poets and philosophers.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they had to turn them to war.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so they took those guys and turned them to war.
[SPEAKER_05]: They probably sent all the dark down the path that the elder ended down was this maneuver.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that's actually, that's a great point.
[SPEAKER_05]: They actually shifted them.
[SPEAKER_05]: The elder were set to be poets and beautiful and architects.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were going to be the architects of the entire galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: They looked galaxy and make a beautiful galaxy and anyone could live in.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they flipped the war switch on them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, things went bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Things went things.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they ruined like they may not have done it on purpose.
[SPEAKER_05]: The sixty four and a half million years, but they did break the sky and the warped.
[SPEAKER_05]: They did, yeah, create a new chaos, God.
[SPEAKER_05]: So whatever.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, things happen or probably feeding the prior ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: The next one they build is for those of you who don't know what they are, the joke arrow.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you care what is this?
[SPEAKER_05]: This is something that is awesome.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going to be honest, it's an orangutan, ductedly.
[SPEAKER_05]: That can make weapons.
[SPEAKER_05]: It makes weapons out of his mind.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is mine.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just picks up random pieces and it hands you back the most powerful blaster you've ever seen in this world.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are from a sci-fi standpoint.
[SPEAKER_05]: So cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: They literally grab, they are the Magyver.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the Magyver.
[SPEAKER_05]: But like, yeah, but Magyver meets a team meets like, I don't know, every Star Wars.
[SPEAKER_05]: Every GI Joe cartoon in the United States.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is, yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, they really are.
[SPEAKER_05]: That Joe Carroll are so cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you just put them somewhere.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so side note on Joe Carroll, cause I just like them a lot.
[SPEAKER_05]: Man kind of the Forty-first millennia has a pretty strong feeling about non-man kind races, namely kill all of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: One pretty extreme example is the Jocharo.
[SPEAKER_05]: When they find them, or overhang it out, because the Jocharo makes weapons, no one's ever seen before, and they just do it while bored.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true, by the time the forty-first millennium comes on, they just go, yeah, here, you know what you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll just give it to you.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll give it to you.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so I really recommend all of you look up Joe Caro.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're gonna, I will, we will do an episode on Joe Caro, but they're cool as hell.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just look them up.
[SPEAKER_05]: The next one that they make, though, is it's the perfect beat.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they have a problem.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Eldar are good.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Eldar can fight.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Eldar can do these things, but as Brett said, they were also, but they also don't make a ton of other.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then Brett, they were poets.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were being converted over.
[SPEAKER_05]: The joke hero, they don't fight.
[SPEAKER_05]: They just make a weapon.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you need something
[SPEAKER_02]: that just fight and this is one of the only this is one of the races they actually engineered from scratch and it was called the clerk K R O R K
[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever, baby, more gork.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's orcs all the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Orcs all the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: They made the orcs and they needed a warring factory.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the most powerful psychers in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: The orc episode is going to be glorious.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they unleashed these back at the CTN the next
[SPEAKER_02]: In the ors are effectively innumerable.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just, it's an endless swarm.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they were a lot bigger too.
[SPEAKER_05]: The different, the stories of the corks, the corks were almost what, what, twelve meters.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're talking, and for those of us who live in the U.S.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pubminus is, is forty feet.
[SPEAKER_05]: So a four-story building.
[SPEAKER_05]: They make all giants.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: So a gork and out, but it's green, you know, and it also makes other, it makes other works and it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: because they still populate, and it's still spores.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's worth it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they unleash these things back, and the all the games and backgrounds are having.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's pull it back to because the, the contain and the backgrounds are breaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, but again, they have not only do they not have, they don't, they don't have any defense.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to pause on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, it's, it's so hard to explain because
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of those things where not only do you not have, you don't even know where.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't know why you're dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the guy next to you just exploded, you don't know why.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, but they're also orcs.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you know why he's dead because that big green thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm saying the old are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the other and also they have psychers in the orcs still.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're actually they're killing their warp entity because they don't know they have a warp entity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, in the C-Tan, or actually, the cones that were especially vulnerable to warp powers, despite all the power they had for some reason, warp attacks on a C-Tan, which, again, fix this G-W-E-Tan edition, but are especially powerful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to ruin this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the C-Tan.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So with this, one of the big things is, and they don't do this justice in the game, the C-Tan in the stories are in the, we're also, I want to pause this.
[SPEAKER_02]: In, if you play Forty Kay, and you play Getsan, you are not playing.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, Getsan.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were literally playing tiny shards of these beings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why it's such a big deal that they were susceptible to the warp is they were in a vulnerable to any.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were taking volcano cannons to the face and going, I'm sorry, were you shooting at me?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: like this is you don't have anything that I give a shit about and then they continue to walk in and with oh yeah I forgot why we lost the first time that dude just murdered my soul that that was a bad thing but unfortunately you can with Orcs and Eldar watch he fortunately for the fortunately can start just pushing through and they start falling back massively the
[SPEAKER_05]: Necrons, all the games are making, they begin losing as Brad said earlier.
[SPEAKER_05]: Necrons are still technically, they're almost perpetual, but no weird way where you kill them and they teleport back to the homeworld, but you still have to be rebuilt and the war is starting to go.
[SPEAKER_05]: It still takes resources too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they have to make more.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're going to push back to look at them of the pilots.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have the touch of the ponds because they're going to come up a lot later.
[SPEAKER_02]: The pilots are so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're so involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to psych myself if you'd see me right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting my treat together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pylons in the game are so wildly not pylons in the lore and the fluff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pylons are pupue big guns.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are not just big guns.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are technology that is beyond technology.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have worked out the math on I need to shoot somebody in the soul.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the pylons are so important because the pylons effectively turn off the warp.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's, it's a gallery field.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm saying super, let's say they literally are shooting people in the soil stock.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can stop the warp from existing with the pylon.
[SPEAKER_05]: The C-Tan and the Necrons begin constructing these specialized pots because they realize they can win this war as long as there is no warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they have more people.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have more everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the orgs are starting to turn the orgs.
[SPEAKER_05]: But besides, you're in my both love of the orgs and we're both right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, the orgs might have still just won this world eventually, but it would have been way longer.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so they begin these pilots.
[SPEAKER_05]: One of them is that KDA.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm just going to say that now because it's coming up later.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm saying now, but these pilots, was you build the pilots together.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's almost like an invisible electric fence.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they all connect to each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to lease touch on this a little bit.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to blast right through.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to drop the word in Tadia.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, there's lots of people go, but I'm thirsty.
[SPEAKER_05]: You can have water later.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's also there's so many imperial worlds that only exist to some period world because there's a bunch of Necron shit on the top on the top of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: We are going to have to do an entire multiple episode on Katie alone, not to mention all the pilots.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say all the Necrons stuff that like, again, the Imperium goes, we should settle here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This planet's super cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: What are the additions that Necrons come out with at fifth or sixth?
[SPEAKER_05]: It was third.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had two full additions without Necrons, so this lure just keep track of where they're coming from everybody like.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were basic.
[SPEAKER_02]: They had two units.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were yours in the mortals.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, now, what do you play with now?
[SPEAKER_05]: But anyway, so they build the pylons and what they're coming up with, LeBons is to shut down.
[SPEAKER_05]: They basically were trying to trap the warp.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're building a cage that would envelop and hold the warp in one area.
[SPEAKER_05]: And there a goal was just, well, when the war everywhere else, and we're going to trap these entities within this like small area that the pylons were holding.
[SPEAKER_05]: However, they couldn't build fast enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the warp does warp stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: The stuff of chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wait a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is chaotic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, you love these guys.
[SPEAKER_05]: I hate them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate these guys so much, but you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Screw this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get a game reference.
[SPEAKER_02]: In slavers used to take your units from you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then your opponent could play with your models.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I didn't say the rules were cool and say the model of that.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're also
[SPEAKER_05]: Dix, other horrifying creatures.
[SPEAKER_05]: They, as as, but, but Brad, we were talking of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: The warp prior to this period is a serene ocean of flat.
[SPEAKER_05]: No one disturbs it, and even the old ones would play with it a little bit, but they're using web ways to get around it.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're literally eco-friendly.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're going to now, we have our first galactic level war.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the first day war.
[SPEAKER_05]: We are talking trillions.
[SPEAKER_05]: If more than trillions, I just don't know the next one up, even though my friends in front of me, I could Google it.
[SPEAKER_05]: What trillions?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's going to be the zillions, whatever, of being killing each other.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the warp, in its early stage, starts getting affected.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's little movements, little things.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's some turbulence in terms of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the first, and this is what actually ends up spoiler alert, winning the war for the C-ten, sort of, we'll get to that in a second, a warp entities being appearing called the enslavers.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this is, I guess, so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're called the enslavers because, oh, yeah, they dominate your mind and they do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should also say level.
[SPEAKER_05]: Make it to a people don't think of a horrible human being.
[SPEAKER_05]: The reason I like the enslavers is that I'm a D&D person and they remind me a lot of a beholder.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's kind of why I like them.
[SPEAKER_05]: They, they, they, that beholder meets a, um, it's a mind flare.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a, what's it beholder meets a mind flare?
[SPEAKER_05]: Cause a little bit of both.
[SPEAKER_05]: The mind flares were always true.
[SPEAKER_02]: They also have devastating magic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you've got this like double combo the way that they work.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so that's why I just, there's very few of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they, they start.
[SPEAKER_02]: It actually, they start wrecking shop.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they just appear.
[SPEAKER_05]: So this is like, and this is separate from the C-Tan, and it's easy to own that crunch.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're still having their war.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the old ones and the elder and the works are fighting back.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then these things just started appearing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And as we said earlier, there weren't a lot of old ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, wildly, and I didn't even plan on this because why plan when you could just go off the CD or cuff?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not even a real phrase.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also, we can edit that on at any point in time.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just going to be like, where I choose not to.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is the first race that traveled through the warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're sorry, the first race that traveled through the warp.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the other way.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the old ones could travel through the warp.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is the first, the old ones cross the same material to the material.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm saying that the old ones traveled through their webwege.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's true.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first race that actually used before demons before anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first race could be faction of people that use the warp to travel.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a I'm going to get that goes by this life.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just screw on doing this.
[SPEAKER_05]: What makes it.
[SPEAKER_05]: their powers were cooled to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they're kind of what they could do is they move to the warp.
[SPEAKER_05]: They could appear anywhere any time.
[SPEAKER_05]: But what they would do is they would target psychers.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just like we talked about around the end of the age of technology, dark age of technology, where the first time where psychers would just get possessed by a demon.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is happening, sixty million years earlier, but it was an enslaver.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the enslaver would capture the minds of a siker.
[SPEAKER_05]: But then they would capture even dominate.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, yeah, and then they would turn them into a living warping.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the stories I like about this are cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: The person who's the slave has no idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's still going to work or doing whatever they're doing, wander on.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then one day they used to explode and a bunch of other enslavers pop out of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: and start doubting the minds of everything else.
[SPEAKER_05]: So these things are actually kind of a holder stuff because they're that's where it would be holder.
[SPEAKER_05]: The body is a body of more to be holder and it's a holder body, but it's a mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a mine.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a mine.
[SPEAKER_05]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just, you know, we're both, as you can tell, Brad and I are both played a lot.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they begin to consume all the worlds of the old ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this actually leads to the old ones losing, effectively, because they're the enslavers are drawn to the most powerful psychic entities that exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that would be, they also don't have a plan for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: The enslavers are just there to eff things up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, seriously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's no, they're not trying to ignore that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm trying to do any not a conscious mind.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're not there trying to like, okay, we're going to go to this planet.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to have to.
[SPEAKER_05]: It just, that looks tasty.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're following food effectively.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the food is, is there also a brain of a site?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just doing bad things to do bad things because that's how they feed and do things.
[SPEAKER_05]: And one cool thing to mean slavers is they actually still exist in forty first millennia when they are found they are a problem and they are immediately dealt with like bad and also we want to there's some pretty good stories about this the imperium
[SPEAKER_02]: goes pretty harsh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they go pretty hard in the pain.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are because they have to send, you have to send blanks out there.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's stuff you in order to remove and enslave or infestation because as I said before, they're feeding off minds of psychers.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have the, I'm going to try and do this.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have the great nights who are designed to fight demons, but you probably shouldn't send great nights to fight in slaggers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: That idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you said you had to send such a silence to fight the fight.
[SPEAKER_05]: You need blanks.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you blanks.
[SPEAKER_05]: I said to the silence, maybe ever source, not ever source.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Colxus and Colxus assassins, this way had to use a fight them.
[SPEAKER_05]: And while you go there, remember, they are spreading within a population.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are very, very creative.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're very, very creative.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're very, very cool.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they get up here out of the work.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're not doing anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just weakening the old ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the old ones start to get racked a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the problem is, do the old ones die?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do the old ones leave?
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: The old ones are gone suddenly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The old ones are, are they dead?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they get defeated?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they, where do they go?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_05]: The big thing is that the enslaver plague creates a very sudden and massive loss of life.
[SPEAKER_05]: As we discussed earlier, the sea tans were actually feeding on the deaths of the souls.
[SPEAKER_05]: But in a kind of strange way that happens here, there's a sudden loss of life throughout the entire galaxy, massive loss of life.
[SPEAKER_05]: The sea tans can't take advantage of.
[SPEAKER_02]: they get to see they basically don't get to power up any of the souls and then that runs specifically the silky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sally King has been, we actually need to, let's just, yeah, let's pull this back a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to pull this back because this isn't like, this happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a year of war.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a long, thousands of years of war.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a long, crazy, drawn up process and the net fronts are aware they got screwed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they know that they've gotten the shit part of the deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they know that they've gotten the shit part of the deal for I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been talking about it for the last five hundred six hundred thousand years.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've had a long war and they've
[SPEAKER_02]: basically gone, hey man, I think we may have done ninety-nine percent of our civilization wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the ones where we fed the souls to those guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, do we keep having to tell that guy we negotiated with that his names in the deceiver?
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we might have done something wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: But the problem that Akron's do have with that is as much as they recognize as he tends, got him one over on him, that's he tends to your point of, are immortal.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are, they are immortal and invulnerable.
[SPEAKER_05]: sort of.
[SPEAKER_05]: So as we said before, the C-tans are a being of energy that feeds off energy.
[SPEAKER_05]: They used to eat stars, now they're eating dead souls.
[SPEAKER_05]: And what happens suddenly is there's not a lot of dead souls and the C-tan noticeably we can.
[SPEAKER_05]: But in massively.
[SPEAKER_02]: Effectively in the Necrons figure out, I can't kill these guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like that regenerating thing that you can't deal with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if he's always going to come back, what should I do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, how about if we break him apart and put him in a hundred different jars and just deal with that?
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is exactly what they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know it's on simplistic, but that is what they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it's, they do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they break them up.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they, the necrons, so this whole war is going on, the old ones disappear effectively.
[SPEAKER_05]: They just leave.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, they, they, they, well, well, they disappear.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you don't know for a second yet, they disappear.
[SPEAKER_05]: Eldar and Horks are very much, or Corks are still very much so there.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the necrons are sitting and they're going, well, we could go defeat the Eldar and the Cork with a C tan.
[SPEAKER_05]: But if we do so, we will be
[SPEAKER_02]: This is literally the Germany I could go here, but I could also attack the Russians.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they decide to do to free well.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's different.
[SPEAKER_05]: They attacked the Russian.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were stupid.
[SPEAKER_05]: This one was actually intelligent move.
[SPEAKER_05]: They went to go free themselves.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they true.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they attack the seed.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they take massive losses.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just again, you're attacking the guys that
[SPEAKER_02]: And hold on, what is your weakness again?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're psychic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I not have anything of?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have nothing that can hurt you, but we're trying.
[SPEAKER_05]: But we've got a lot of technology.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're going to shoot you with the biggest guns we possibly can.
[SPEAKER_02]: We think that we can weaken you and split you up, which is effectively what they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: They divide them and when they divide them, they capture them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in doing so over
[SPEAKER_02]: thousands, I mean, probably millions of systems at the time.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they break them apart in the C ten loose.
[SPEAKER_05]: They see, they see ten are gone now.
[SPEAKER_05]: They are turned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they are, but they're, they're, they literally have enslaved.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have them shards.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have vaults that they keep them in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, where you get vaults.
[SPEAKER_02]: Forty Cape layers.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how you get vaults.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you literally have these shards that they've broken them up.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the old they can't kill them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They literally cannot kill them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they can break them up and they move them away.
[SPEAKER_02]: They effectively go, okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: You live on the other side of the galaxy, then the other piece of yourself, because we don't want them close together, pieces can't, pieces can never touch.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to keep them, but in doing so, they get wrecked.
[SPEAKER_02]: And their civilization is effectively in tatters.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're not sure what they're going to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Sally King comes up with the brilliant yet terrible idea of the elder and the won't slash orcs.
[SPEAKER_02]: But mainly the elder at this point in time, because they are actually organized.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or it's not exactly organized.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the elder, they're like, we can't fight another war right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, the elder, yeah, we sacrifice, we killed the ketang, the CTang, the CTang.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a positive idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: But in doing so, we lose all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, we're not saying that this happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, a day, the problem is, is that while they're fighting the ketan war,
[SPEAKER_05]: The elder is still coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: The elder is still coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is again, hundreds, slash thousands.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't actually know to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's, it's a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in this war, the elder have taken zero losses because they are building their entire civilization.
[SPEAKER_05]: Actually, I didn't know that isn't we talked about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: I should have put it in the notes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I didn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're only fourth and we're not talking about them taking a battle of like thousands of countries.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, four of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it takes them a large percentage of their organization to take out four of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I forgot to mention that in this war, occasionally the Ketan blow up worlds by leveraging stars.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just because they could.
[SPEAKER_05]: They death star basically.
[SPEAKER_05]: They do this.
[SPEAKER_05]: And this now, again, this happens about the old ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is about the old ones legacy, but you get to in a second.
[SPEAKER_05]: But right now, we've got the Necrons win.
[SPEAKER_05]: They do break up the Ketan.
[SPEAKER_05]: And now you've got, but it took you went, it took you too long.
[SPEAKER_05]: It did, but we went from a galaxy where the most numerous powerful creatures in the galaxy were the old ones in the Kitan, and now they don't exist anymore.
[SPEAKER_05]: True.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, it's going, you literally imprisoned.
[SPEAKER_05]: All in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, that's going to hurtful.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's true though.
[SPEAKER_05]: The galaxy we now have the elder, the cork man-guide.
[SPEAKER_05]: That doesn't exist at this point.
[SPEAKER_05]: Man-guide doesn't exist at this point.
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[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm just going to need to be done.
[SPEAKER_05]: In the books, we talk about them saying mankind.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is sixty-five million years.
[SPEAKER_05]: The asteroid has not hit the earth yet.
[SPEAKER_05]: There is no mankind.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are small mammals that look like rats.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what they have.
[SPEAKER_05]: So first off, GW.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm just going with, this was all written in the eighties and nineties.
[SPEAKER_05]: You could have read a book GW.
[SPEAKER_05]: Sorry, and I may have deleted this later, but that upset me.
[SPEAKER_05]: It just occurred to me that that happened.
[SPEAKER_05]: They didn't know what to do with it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look, they didn't go to university.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they did.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're British.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: They went on literary degrees, which involves reading.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not a lot of history.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what's going with the covered in the books.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've read it in the code axis where they talk about their interaction with mankind and seeing a potential of uplifting them.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they were off by, ooh, forty five million years.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, give her take.
[SPEAKER_05]: Give her.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like a survey.
[SPEAKER_05]: Plus or minus.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, just stay for deviation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I'm embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'll leave this, but I'm just, I just occurred.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that, that piss me off.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, let's go with what happens at this point because.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Necrons literally go, hooray, we won.
[SPEAKER_02]: We beat the Getsan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they went, remember those guys we were fighting with a while back?
[SPEAKER_04]: They're super pissed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're super mad because their creator race as far as they know, just left.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's our fault.
[SPEAKER_02]: And oh yeah, we haven't touched them in somewhere between one and a thousand years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've been building a lot of shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And oh yeah, remember our weakness?
[SPEAKER_02]: that they have our weakness.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're coming for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so the necrons go, we could fight the elder and the orcs and lose horribly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, or in the sound of the kid goes, or we could just hibernate.
[SPEAKER_02]: and literally bury ourselves and they do a great job of this because they have effectively stealth technology where they can mask their presence of being there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they literally dig into the core of worlds and project
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know what you want to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: They basically make a non-detection to themselves.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they teleport themselves into like the chorus of the earth.
[SPEAKER_05]: But all these planets all over the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they all know, I just, I mean, it's kind of funny thing about the other who are incredibly intelligent race and could find them instantly.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I can show you the world after we're going also not here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like where these dudes go.
[SPEAKER_05]: So from there, I think we can kind of move.
[SPEAKER_01]: They literally did a horrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I refused to move off.
[SPEAKER_02]: They literally went, well, he's not here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess everything's safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're NPCs.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got a guy shot right next to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Must have been the win.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That guy's dead next to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was the win.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the silent, although the silent king does go on a little vision quest into the he does leave.
[SPEAKER_05]: A couple of guys with the reanimate buttons leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's move now into the pause on this real quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll go for it in the Necron episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: But everybody goes in a hibernation except for the silent king who goes into dark space to think about the shit he did wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: and discover.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it is, it is several.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, and he discovers something very important.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that dark space that comes in.
[SPEAKER_05]: He starts rushing back.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he decides to reanimate at the same point at this stage to close at the, we've talked about the old ones came from the legacy of the old ones.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's helped us get into further episodes.
[SPEAKER_05]: The first thing they did was they handed the universe over to the elder, the elder were there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I think they were going to do always.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they again took a poet and philosopher race and ruined them.
[SPEAKER_05]: They weren't incredibly into the address.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you think they saw this all coming?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's be because of the fact that I think that they, I think that they always were grooming the elder to be the race that was better than them.
[SPEAKER_05]: They wanted to keep it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It wasn't a year going to replace me because I know I'm going to die one day.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was the, I'm going to build you up to replace me.
[SPEAKER_02]: and be the best version of me you could ever have been.
[SPEAKER_02]: But instead this happened, and then I made you the worst version of you, you could ever be.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then when I talk about my favorite thing, the horse.
[SPEAKER_05]: The, the, the core.
[SPEAKER_05]: My dad works at this point.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the fun thing about the quirks and spoiler alert is our next episode is going to be works.
[SPEAKER_05]: When you make a race that's built
[SPEAKER_05]: only one purpose that purpose is war and killing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll say you modified one race.
[SPEAKER_02]: You made a race.
[SPEAKER_02]: You made them for only one thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so then they take that race and the only thing they were genetically made to listen to is the old ones and they're gone.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a fun level of anarchy.
[SPEAKER_05]: So my notes here were just wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the orgs now get to a current time table, sixty million years of warfare.
[SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, there's a fun things with that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I expect no to remain kind, but screw them.
[SPEAKER_05]: There was no mankind.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're all by forty million years.
[SPEAKER_05]: The warp is a next big piece that they have.
[SPEAKER_05]: We ruin the warp.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the first time we've now this is it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is where we got this is where.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, one, the elder.
[SPEAKER_02]: are by design now from the old ones tied to the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every single L.R.
[SPEAKER_02]: effectively has, can I do a date?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Stan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Almost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone has effectively a tendril.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: A silver warp, you know, you go into the.
[SPEAKER_02]: The astro plant.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you bake, but basically every single warp, every single elder has a tie to the warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have literally a
[SPEAKER_02]: They are all tied, their soul is tied to the warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything that they do has an echo in the warp, and it is the first race that has this effect on the warp.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you just had a race that is now tied to the warp, have a war.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think there's an important piece that it has an effect on the work.
[SPEAKER_05]: You never have a positive effect on the work.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could have, if you would have left them be philosophers and things.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, it's a little bit, but that's something I think the work has no positive.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think the warp only feeds off negative energy.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no, there's no, there's no poetry, guys.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_05]: The warp agreed to disagree.
[SPEAKER_05]: But that's where I look at it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But this is it.
[SPEAKER_05]: The warp has now been destabilized and it doesn't restabilize.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have basically started, they were a tsunami is coming as we wave.
[SPEAKER_02]: The work went from this ocean of serene power to a turbulent mess.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you could still draw power from it and the other do for
[SPEAKER_05]: millions of years.
[SPEAKER_05]: I do wonder.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is a personal thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wonder if the warp corrupts in the sense that did the warp get a taste.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, because it was just this, I mean, are you saying that ultimate power always ultimately grabs?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I'm also saying that I think the warp is a living entity in a weird way.
[SPEAKER_05]: In the sense that all this war, all this death fed it and it liked that feed.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think the warp then created things like the enslaved.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it creates and encourages
[SPEAKER_05]: You think the warp is ominous by itself?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think the warp itself aware at this point became more self-aware later with the creation of chaos gods that became extremely self-aware.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I think at this stage, the warp is aware enough to start feeding some of these things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm just saying that like, sometimes you're wrong and sometimes you're really wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we will come back to the last two species which are by the Necrons who are asleep asleep.
[SPEAKER_02]: And with also look, we have to give them props.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've just won.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we have to give them a thing on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have such high levels of technology, which after, sixty five million years have still not been released.
[SPEAKER_05]: Still this true.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're sixty.
[SPEAKER_05]: We were sixty by million years later, and they'd like the best like college in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we're going to go with pretty good at this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, they have the tech to just not be a
[SPEAKER_02]: Detect it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a real thing, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: They also may have stopped just a little bit too long.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's the issues.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we're going to cover the neck one episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're going to talk about some of the problems that they didn't mean to go sixty five million.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they would.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they overshot them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Our little bit lost in powers reference heroes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's going to be a little bit long on this one.
[SPEAKER_05]: The last one here, though, and we're going to go completely non-canon.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have, you don't, I need to let everybody know that John has wrote ternons with five question marks.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is not enough question.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, followed by Brad with a lot of dots.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we're going to, we're going to close on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling you guys the old ones are literally
[SPEAKER_02]: The over mine, the hive line.
[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Screw you.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm standing out.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not even going to go into details on that.
[SPEAKER_05]: You all can understand what we're going from from this one and we're going to be discussing a lot more of this in the future.
[SPEAKER_05]: So with that, our next episodes, plural unknown how many we're going to start recording them and then they just will stop when we're done.
[SPEAKER_05]: are going to be the works.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the very simple reason behind this is that Brad and I have two favorite factions been into of us Eldar and Orcs.
[SPEAKER_05]: We actually both love both of them.
[SPEAKER_05]: We both play Eldar, we both play Orcs.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm ending on a vlog.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but Orcs are more fun.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we've decided we're doing this.
[SPEAKER_05]: So with that, thank you all for joining us.
[SPEAKER_05]: Again, please like and subscribe and join us on Discord and Facebook.
[SPEAKER_05]: I am John Barth's side.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is Brad Jester.
[SPEAKER_05]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Have a wonderful day.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.