[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty Kaylor cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty-K-Lorecast, me John Barsaud, and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Horace Harris Sea has happened over seven years throughout the entire galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Horace's now currently has the upper hand, but he's creeping closer to Earth as his allies began to fracture.
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, the problem is the story fragments a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was a linear path?
[SPEAKER_01]: fragments a lot?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When John says fragment,
[SPEAKER_01]: The story explodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Much better.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is, I want to say, ten actual, I'm thinking about the novels that we're in.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's ten novels that I know of, like literally off the top of my head that all happened and this exact same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking time, stay, you know, but I'm talking right now at the exact moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the exact moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's ten novels, there might be more that are all going on right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I want to give it a little bit early.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of the time is we talked about the warp and the corruption of the fact that it can mess with time messes with when things happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So things are happening now that actually happened before according to the warp and actually happened later according to the warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the downside of traveling through the warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: To the other side of the galaxy is as we said in prior episodes, you might arrive before you left.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could go fight someone, then travel after fighting and to go fight someone else and actually arrive before you fought the other guy because it's the warp.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so people don't know what a lot of people don't know what's even happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what we're going to do now is rather than try to tell this next bit as a linear event, we're just going to dig into the stories of what is happening between Horace leaving Esteban and arriving in Seoul.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's
[SPEAKER_00]: some really amazing stories are happening in here, but the kind of overarching thing you're going to realize here is that chaos corrupts absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: The chaos can say we're all behind you, but chaos, it's chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably more than it's any books.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about just the gods themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, four gods of chaos who are working together and I'm making hair quotes right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: on a podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because I'm an idiot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just need to make sure that everybody knows that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the big thing is, is that while they're working together, they want the same goal, but in the end, they still want to be on top.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they'll never wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, slenesh and zija, I think especially are not going to let corn win.
[SPEAKER_00]: And corn is just doesn't like them anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he doesn't want to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no scenario where these chaos gods are going to are going to high five each other at the end and share a trophy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're looking for how can a hamstring this guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: So at any point in time, one of them even looks like there's a moment of weakness that they can exploit.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to exploit it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that going to hurt the overall cones?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: That guy can't win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's, and I think I was kind of thinking about this a lot in Greg Crackier.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think my view point is as much as the chaos gods hate the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: They hate each other just as much more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But because, but they're actually that is what they are at your, if you remember in the war, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: things actually are your thoughts become reality.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are the embodiment of what they're about their corruption.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is what they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't get away from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been nergling.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just seems to pop a nergling doing pop a nergling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pop a nergling.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is is that if they don't corrupt Horus in Vegas is right now favored, you know, he's a thousand one underdog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look it up if you're gonna bet.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a big bread to bread.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a big deal on that because he's way ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got one prime art dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Three legions kind of don't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got fifty raven guards.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got Horace has the support of Mars now, which is by far not even close the greatest manufacturing in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows that he has to say to Earth, and this is a big thing in the novel set.
[SPEAKER_01]: Course realizes that there is chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chaos is going to do what chaos does.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he knows this.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't realize just completely, but he knows that I have to end this, where my force will eventually fall apart, when you're leading the forces of chaos, you're not really thinking that
[SPEAKER_01]: Order is going to be the thing to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fair point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's really the only one to it think that we should point out is that Horace has another problem of even though he technically has the upper hand against the Imperium in numbers, being the attacker is never as good as being the defender.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you will lose a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he knows that he's eventually going to the attrition.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's also got a misinformation campaign going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty hardcore.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's sending
[SPEAKER_01]: all of information.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's literally, he's doing a masterful job of it, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's sending different scenarios to all over the galaxy of misinformation of these guys are attacking here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is actually a lie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing is happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are actually still loyal.
[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are actually the traders.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is sending a masterful misinformation campaign
[SPEAKER_01]: But he knows that, hey, I'm leaving an army full of deceptical psychos.
[SPEAKER_01]: That will stab me in the back of the moment's notice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably can't keep this up in a war of attrition.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will eventually lose if this has to be ground out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So his plan is
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to take out the heart of the Imperium, the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to conquer Terra and that will secure my victory because if there's no overriding power, the Emperor, no rule, lords of Terra, even though he hates them completely, he did what he was last, we will go there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, is that he knows that if he can get there, I can actually win the long game if I cut off the hand of the snake.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that if is a really good segue to the episode because the whole point of this episode is all we thought he could move quickly enough to prevent this from happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: And well, stuff happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it turns out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll kind of, we'll start from here going into into the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just a quick, quick hitters for everybody to catch up.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Imperium itself is in complete chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, the horse, heresy caught everyone off guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: So first off, no one knows who they can trust, who they can trust.
[SPEAKER_00]: To make matters worse, Mars, their most important partner in all of this, is also in rebellions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I only did you do we lose half of our fighting force, but I also lost my entire, like my number on manufacturing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then for a little fun of insult to injury, warp storms are exploding all over the well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So communication is just a mess.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like a thousand percent attention from it, but precisely the Imperium, it's just what is going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just came out of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're out of the age of darkness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is it back basically?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what, you know, at this point there's way for AI to step up and start being a bigger problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where they're at.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chaos on the other side is moving.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're now coming through and they've got a few different processes that they're using all the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Horace is moving pretty quick towards Earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: As Brad mentioned, we got to get there before my whole force falls apart.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, he does still need some level of logistics.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's having to, he can't just go straight towards Earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does have to build up enough
[SPEAKER_00]: He's power.
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest thing is, is also one of the biggest things is all of his factions that he has together are all doing this in wildly disparate ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Superb by force.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they're just trying to corrupt cough cough word bears.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just trying to make the demonic infestations happen in these planets, which actually works the opposite because you're not getting any supplies.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just ruining your planet, but whatever, Lord guys terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: over the time of Lord God today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry, for all of you who really like or dislike the Lord God, you're getting some Lord God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, and then you've gone, chorus is literally trying to dial deception.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's telling people, he's either converting them to his cause or just telling the planet that, hey, man, we're still loyal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're fighting these, you know, you heard about those traders?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're fighting them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because no one knows, communication's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: One other one that also is harming Horace here too, which is an interesting side note is, they're not just having, we talked in the last sort of about having to call their own legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go through and you say, well, it's some portion of my legion is still loyal to the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even though I'm the deathguard legion, and I am now with Horace, or even, I'm the sons of Horace, and I'm with Horace, not all the more say to kill them off.
[SPEAKER_00]: This also happening planet by planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: You had planets who were who were actually boy who were half lower the Emperor half lower the whole crazy and he just civil wars fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just nuts and those planets.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also a lot of these planets.
[SPEAKER_01]: The civil war is terrible for both sides because no one is getting anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're like that high word that's supposed to be supplying ships.
[SPEAKER_01]: And raw materials and power, I'm or whatever, is not really producing anything because they're at a whole fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the imperium and the traders are getting nothing from these.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've always used door dash and seen our door dust driver just spinning in a circle going to bring you my food, what temperatures my food coming at.
[SPEAKER_00]: These guys have it, but it's more important.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's not just the door dash I wanted for dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the entire food for my planet for next three weeks might not be showing up because I'm on a different side than that planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: is my force going to have bullets to shoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: My book is way better if I have, you know, I'm not an orc.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't just hold the book to an edition.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually do need to do an ammunition.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a big thing on this because of the fact that in the Legion themselves, there are, I mean, we want to call it kill teams almost.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they still have just, they were, they were killed.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were hundred killers.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were the time that they've used, and they'll be used.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, some of these books about these guys are fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some of the best stuff that's written.
[SPEAKER_01]: Forty cave novels are hit miss almost every one that's happening in the Horace Heresy with focus on the guys that are trying to do things inside their legion that turn are amazing and I encourage people to go check this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're really, really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so at that point, actually, it's a good, that's an incredibly point to bring up here because we're going to now dig into the individual regions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the information that we're going to dig into here is spread across code X is books, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I encourage any of you, if you've got a faction you love, read everything you can about
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't just read your current code X, read every code X, have a really old code X. Read the old code X's read the books.
[SPEAKER_00]: These stories, Gary Lee, we're trying to keep this thing from being a four hundred and fifty-hour podcast on just like this like three-year period of the horse heresy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to have some what quick on these present some of these stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: We probably will end up circling back later on them, but for now we're going to have to kind of quick hit some of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: These stories, some of these are some of the best books you're going to ever read in fantasy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's not what some easy ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ravenguard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad, how are Ravenguard doing right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the fact that they can feel two football teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, that's a lie.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can feel on the field.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can feel one college football team and two and one and a half professional.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there is not a lot of rating guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of things are going bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are actually going directly back to talk to Melcador and they also want to see if they can start producing more rating guard like in a quickness kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a side story of
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of a failed thing, but we won't even get into that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some things they go badly for the radio.
[SPEAKER_00]: They take some left turns in here, but Raven got effectively done.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't exist, but they're not a significant fighting force.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're a durable group, but they're not a fighting force.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then from there, not much better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Brad, how about Ironhands?
[SPEAKER_01]: Ironhands, a lot of broken rules in Forty Kay, however, not just right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not very.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not talking late eight edition.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a tough Ironhands.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking Horace Harris, the Ironhands.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they had some real problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: When your primar gets his head cut off,
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be super great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know, effectively, you're father.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you're from who you're, secondly, attached to don't realize it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy that you are genetically bred to love and follow has his dome locked off.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have some issues.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they did a bunch of them went
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty wacky crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be perfectly honest, and they don't completely do this, and I'm gonna be like a yell at me for iron hand stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really think that that's one of the main reasons that they went full on into replacing themselves with Mac.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got pretty emo about, they didn't even get raving already.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, because you're during the pre heresy, they were not cutting off their arms and putting row ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a post half.
[SPEAKER_01]: After Ferris Manis dies, they get super crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: about that because, you know, Ferris Manus had iron hands and he had iron hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's obviously what I should do to remember my primar and then it became worse and worse and worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: So iron legs torso.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever they can do them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another easy quick hit is Imperial Fists.
[SPEAKER_00]: Luckily, didn't die at Estvan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad does not care for the Fists because they are
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was too busy as usual, being not involved in things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Building a giant Lego fort in his at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's tough as shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to, all your paraphernal fist fans, I have to give it to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hate road doors so much that dude is bonkers downtown.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's incredibly tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually incredibly smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, for most of the heresy, there were some engagements he had here and there, but he spent most of heresy building up for a pretty big engagement where he does play a rather vital role.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he does make a planet's nice fortress.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: But up until that moment, this is yelling at everybody to come home.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we'll get into some more of the fun stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Salamander's effectively got wiped almost to a man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Vulcan is assumed dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't because Vulcan is a perpetual.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all about what being a perpetual means.
[SPEAKER_01]: perpetual means that you cannot die.
[SPEAKER_01]: He effectively gets reborn.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's an eternal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Highlander without the decapitation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, without the decapitation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you haven't seen Highlander as much as Ricky Bobby, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: The towel day, that's makes fun of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a shit movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fantastic film.
[SPEAKER_00]: Highlander, even the TV show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't let me read for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't watched the TV show since it was on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might be complete shit because I would have been a teenager, but it's seen really cool at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going to be reborn, you don't want, I don't know, say worst case scenario, you're super insane crazy primar brother, Conrad Cruz.
[SPEAKER_01]: find you when you're, I don't know, just reborn in unconscious and he imprisoned you realizes that you can't be killed and then his crazy ass in the war.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this either happened for a few years or a few thousand years again because time is distorted by the war.
[SPEAKER_01]: Conrad Cruz decides to kill Vulcan in every single possible way he can think of while torturing him every single day.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a perpetual slow storm, maybe not all the way following.
[SPEAKER_00]: Being perpetual, you are a very weird version of immortal in that you do die and then you reform.
[SPEAKER_00]: GW never explains how this reformation happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: It means we're getting the stories from Conrad Cruz of cutting his head off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hangangam, ripping all of his limbs off.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Connor Cruz just goes to town on like, no, I am going to disprove this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can totally kill Vulcan.
[SPEAKER_01]: He effectively takes a cheese grater to it and just disintegrate what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And every time
[SPEAKER_00]: Vulcan comes back to life.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could give you more details, but they don't give us, but they don't give any.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just we just know he's back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at a certain point, though, to his credit, Conrad does get kind of bored and decides to go for a new route.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what if I, well, that's the biggest thing I think Vulcan kill himself because you got to remember the night, Louis are all about.
[SPEAKER_01]: were one, they're a bunch of psychocytic killers, but their whole thing, their stick is they are all about psychological terror, making you to be, he actually, one of their powers is a legitimately to make people die from being so afraid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mine is one of your leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been so valuable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's terrible when we get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thousands of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, that's where we all know it's the worst thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has been forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They for a little while could make people not fall back, though, which is kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But basically, he wanted to get Vulcan to die of sadness, because killing someone, maybe a perpetual could kill themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he just gives him all these crazy
[SPEAKER_01]: We're, it's super weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your dreams, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, the, the term I think of it is, is he mined through all them, because the guy come from D&D.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he mined through all them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, made him dream dreams where he had his impossible task.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just as he was about to achieve his impossible task, he would fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: But because as Brad's point out, Vulcan's a paladin, he loves people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what Kara would do is make sure that when everyone Vulcan failed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, somebody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a cloud.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a cloud he suffered.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's Vulcan was fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it, that he was a break Vulcan.
[SPEAKER_01]: He started to make it so that Vulcan didn't suffer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody else always suffered for every time that he would not get out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's game of thrones when he was trying to escape.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would constantly give him chances that weren't really chances of, you were about to escape.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's your best friend helping you and in the end, you're best friend, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, best friend, and it just, and again, this is Groundhog Day about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, we're in the war.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this either happened for a few years, or I don't know, a few thousand years.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know because again, the war war, the war warps, and whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, screw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The warports and time is completely dilated.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't know what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He finally gives in the able guy my log.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: And says you can do this and put some in a maze.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, a pretty robber maze.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should let's all this maze because this maze is kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Conrad at some point run away.
[SPEAKER_00]: goes to his buddy, Petarabo and says, Hey, he should have built this impossible maze for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is a labyrinth with a Minotaur.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of this stuff we're going to go through here does have reflections of Greek mythology.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have an issue with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean, you said, kind of, it is literally one for one.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: But so this is exactly what she experienced.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is that Greek mythology is simply
[SPEAKER_00]: Read me thought you had a lot of stories that we know here about the ones that we all hear about the ones that were really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and when someone steals it, don't get upset.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's extremely, literally, the minute I'm laughing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's wildly, the minute I'm laughing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very much so, but it's built by Peter Robbo.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, Peter Robbo builds his impossible laver that no one could ever saw.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what's Vulcan do, Robbo?
[SPEAKER_00]: He immediately said, you know why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Dorn didn't build it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He drove, Dorn had built it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He won a hundred percent, wouldn't have found it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Penham is, say that, because that would have pissed Peter Robbo off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now they're completely with the chaos, just to fight his back.
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing is that one of the things he didn't know, he puts Vulcan's Warhammer, which Vulcan makes, if you're a D&D guy, he makes artifacts.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just makes unbelievably powerful while OP shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't let your characters get a hold of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of artifacts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his hammers in the middle, and it was kind of a cherry on the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you your hammer.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you fight, you beat this, you know, impossible thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he thinks that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if he gets the hammer, who gives a shit?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to kill him tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the middle of a lab or a holding a hammer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Vulcan has a, of course, OP teleportation across the galaxy mechanic inside his hammer.
[SPEAKER_00]: which I'm going to shit on right now because the whole point of this is that Vulcan is the greatest forged master in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he makes incredible things.
[SPEAKER_00]: He builds a warhammer hides a special teleportation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they can anywhere in the universe with the most powerful thing ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where does he land when he presses this button?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he land, you know, if he landed a nice little beach somewhere?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've Volkens, one of my favorites, don't shit on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also the answer to the question is, the upper atmosphere of McCrag.
[SPEAKER_01]: It falls to the planet like any smoking hospital.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he could he had wings, like St.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gwynens, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you like to operate, it's where you can fly, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you would teleport to the opposite.
[SPEAKER_00]: Upright.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is at wings in the United States.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now he flipped tall, obsidian man that fell to the planet in a smoking hospital.
[SPEAKER_00]: and burnt up on on re-entry.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to reiterate this whole story here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very good book and you should read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the story is, Vulcan takes all of the abuse dyes over everything comes back, takes the mental abuse.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's also crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's great, then he solves the most unsolvable maze ever, and his reward is to teleport himself like Rick and Morty style, you know, into the upright misfear and has to fall to earth and burn up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It burns with crisp.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to begin it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the story of Vulcan kind of ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, until they find him, he's full on insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pre-Harracy, I mean, at this door to a heresy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just a story of Vulgar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just give me a tear.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually very fun book to read, but for those of you following along.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that the summer is not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, Vulgar, but Conrad Cruz is the best for pure nutty.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the Joker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just dump it in nightboards.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like I said earlier, these, this isn't a linear story.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to jump around a little bit, try to tell a bit of a story here, but we're going to type a lot of individual stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's do nightboards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nightboards are, let's just know who the nightboards are again for a refresher.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nightboards, what is their special thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: They are crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: His special thing is he can see you in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sort of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he can't, but he's also insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's also was sent to a crazy planet with only psycho serial killers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's called the nighthunter because, oh, yeah, he was basically murder Batman for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's evil Batman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Evil Batman.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's nothing that works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is is that he populates his leech in with people from prison, planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: of killers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a crazy guy is leading crazy guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that we gave superpowers to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, superpowered crazy guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you really couldn't figure out what happened here, you take a legion who's made up of murderers and thieves.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think the note, I mean, was pirates effectively.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like pirates.
[SPEAKER_01]: The super awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're all the bad guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: The bad guy, the pirates that usually the main character kills.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they go find some other pirates.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this isn't the Pirates of the Caribbean.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is real pirates.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the issue, though, that you uncover pretty quickly here is that when you take these people from an organization, they're under the imperial under the emperor, they kind of had some behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, let's behave, let's do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But now they were sent out to the eastern fringe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, with the shackles are off now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you were supposed to.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have this code of contact and you would be punished for not performing in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, yeah, let's back this up a little bit when the night lords were still loyalist.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got censored multiple times for, she's psycho being psychopaths.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you went, oh, there's no consequences to us being psychopaths.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Horace gives them a job, make the Dark Angels come this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And instead, he kind of, even he accidentally does this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what he does is just go terrorize a bunch of systems.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, until a Dark Angels show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing is, is that you, well, yet they'll also go to this thing during the entire of this fight or this time, and then you fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of a cruise is still thinks he's in the right, because he's so crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so interesting story is not common cruise that A is important is when Brad was talking about Congress can see the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: One problem with Conrad Cruz is he sees the future, he sees a fractured future.
[SPEAKER_00]: Conrad Cruz sees the death of himself and his legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows that he will die and his legion will die.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem is it's a bad dream where he can't see any detail.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just knows that they are doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he poorly extrapolates what he thinks out of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He definitely means the shamans to help them out with his visions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he has none of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just decides that my father betrays me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's his fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have stopped this from happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he decided not to because he knows the Emperor also has pre-cog.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he feels that if I can see this, my dad to definitely have done something.
[SPEAKER_00]: That could have been this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you probably could.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's called the emperor a secret.
[SPEAKER_00]: So two things are happening at this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So night lords are on the eastern fringe.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're terrorizing planets, but then they went into a little bit of a problem with terrorizing planets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not all of the night lords are from no strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no stromo is a, you know, surprise surprise when GW had to name a planet evil.
[SPEAKER_00]: They went with something that sounded of the vampire lord planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: No strato.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's no stromo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway,
[SPEAKER_01]: their legions made up of this weird dichotomy of murderers pirates and all the people they brought from so so they basically brought the guys that the emperor bought this is your legion and then Conrad Cruz went yeah I'm going to make these new guys from all the murders and let's just put these guys together nothing could go wrong
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, it's a surprise surprise.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also, because the wheels are off, start murdering each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: So tonight, Laura's doing this like this spiral of just we're going to kill random citizens.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to kill random space marines and we're going to randomly kill each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they wand, they wildly split up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't even made up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to actually read a lot of the codex stuff on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a lot of the thing is is during this time, the night lords kind of don't become a legion this point time because they splinter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just everybody does their own shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they also fight each other at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the dark angels kind of don't realize this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, they plant bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, no, these guys are psychos.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they went
[SPEAKER_01]: everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually was thinking the more I've read more and more I read about the more I think of Drew Carrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kind of he's in a lot of ways to turn to the Drew Carrey where we all agree we like killing things, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's high five and go do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're finished doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of my what a stab you to like I'm not over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You also killed three more people than me and I don't want that to happen anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna stab you but that will note I wrote myself here is mess with the bull get the horns.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean and the dark angels decide
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're not putting up with this shit and the dark angels attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, it won.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lion has a pretty goddamn when you get into championship fights.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lions doing all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if we're going to rank out ability to fight and we're going to do dark angels versus night lords.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stand up fight, Brad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we going to
[SPEAKER_00]: ten to one odds, twenty to one odds, where are we going?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they're accepting your, you're bad at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is that piece of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're betting on nightlords, someone's assuming that the fight might be rigged.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, you would do that or you're the dumbest person that we shouldn't take your money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because when the dark angels decide that they want to fight, it's just an asskaking.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I'm saying this is this fight, even more fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Conrad actually engages.
[SPEAKER_00]: Conrad decides that he wants to go fight the lion.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is so bad, the whole guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: During this fight, Conrad does double evil guy model along.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, what is he trying to accomplish with this?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the answer is, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was he trying to be loyal?
[SPEAKER_01]: Was he trying to be awful?
[SPEAKER_01]: Was he trying to taunt him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he does all of these.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if we're going to rank the primarks of the team primarks and their ability to turn to chaos,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go with the lion is in one to three somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, him and him and Gilliman, I think are one and two, Rogal, Dorne, Michael, three, Sanguanias is right there too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just but that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: You never going to convince him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the guy whose whole thing is murdering random citizens for fun isn't quite speaking the same language.
[SPEAKER_01]: with the guy that is all about the law.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's effectively a night from the roundtable and you're like, Hey, I know that your whole world is upholding the law and protecting says is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what if you hang out with me when you're murder, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: People are not going to go to the D&D people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The line is lawful neutral with lawful being in
[SPEAKER_01]: bull capitalized lawful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then neutral.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kyra Cruz may not be chaotic evil, but the chaotic is I. He's.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a best.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a neutral.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what are the best things?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is he is so confident in this fight though.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the best lines?
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, well, this is not how I die.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I can't imagine that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was our opinion I had.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually did do think that what Conrad was really doing was he's had these dreams of the death himself and his legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was trying to prove them wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was trying to prove them wrong by saying, look, I'm going to go pick a fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't win.
[SPEAKER_00]: That no one thinks I can win.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my visions don't have me dying to the dark angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he actually envisioned a dark night doing assassin.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he knew that's how he was going to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he was engaging these guys to try and change fate.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very good story.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is desperate for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is one of the overriding things about Conrad.
[SPEAKER_01]: While he thinks his fate is inevitable, he desperately wants to change his fate.
[SPEAKER_00]: any story we ever read about.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, I don't want to accept that my path is predetermined.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know, watch this and we get desperate not if you actually are happy to die to prove that it wasn't predetermined.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that might be the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell you the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never thought about with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always kind of thought he was just thinking that he can die because of this, but I love your thinking on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if I do die, screw you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I died as a way that I wasn't
[SPEAKER_00]: I died under my choice, not your choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the weavers of fate eventually keep fighting and Conrad suddenly in the fight disappears.
[SPEAKER_00]: And where does he disappear to?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually hiding in the Dark Angels flagship.
[SPEAKER_00]: murdering random people inside of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what he does such a good story.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really and this is one I just be kidding.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to spend a half hour going through and effectively reading you all a book on a podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the better books in the horse heresy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please go read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this that book we'll go from there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll catch more up with Conrad later in the story, but for now, all it does is in the Conrad was
[SPEAKER_00]: him and his legion decide to fight the dark angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: They raised a war of terror out in the eastern fringe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the problem is, is they also look, will it digo back into why they were going to lose?
[SPEAKER_01]: The night lords are fighting on ten, fifteen fronts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that isn't an exaggerant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Horace threw them out there because he didn't pay them what they made.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he thinks that they're unruly and they're always up all throw them out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The dark angels are actually fighting one piece of the night lords, one piece of the night lords.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the night lords are
[SPEAKER_01]: punching citizens in the face in multiple planets.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all over the, they're in multiple systems at this point in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're spread out way too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, my opinion, you're all welcome to think differently, but my opinion, I think Horace was sacrificed in the thy lords to slow down a dark game.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could never actually engage against the dark angels, but maybe they could keep the dark angels away from earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the lion would be honored bound to go clean them off each system.
[SPEAKER_01]: They ran into it, taking them a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the nightlords are going to go all over the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll get more into the story of Congress.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll now jump over to the blood angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we actually haven't really talked about our class dance.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about blood angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So blood angels have our a very important faction even at this stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their primarca is sanguineus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus as we said for has wings.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's an angel.
[SPEAKER_00]: He space trees.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's not how he flies.
[SPEAKER_00]: He flies by saying he powers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he does have wings.
[SPEAKER_01]: The wings are just a look man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now imagine if Vulcan had had those wings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he wouldn't have burned up on Rhea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if he needed psychic powers to fly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he wasn't a giant heavy thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could fall in nine foot tall and needy organs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I digress.
[SPEAKER_00]: The blood angels have a secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: All, both must be honest, all of the chapters have some flaw in their genome that was implemented by Cass when they took the primarks and scattered them across the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The blood angels have the red thirst, which is effectively... They have a need to consume blood.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I really wish it was cooler than that, but that's... I mean, they have an entire sub-chapter now called that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the issue is, but yeah, they are space vampires, but they're on the good guys sides.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an important point out like whereas the night lords or space vampires more than the D and D side, these guys are more space vampires in the twilight sense of the space vampire.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna make that reference just to annoy all of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he says all of you, one of those all of you is me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just lost every blood angel podcast listener in that one statement.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big deal in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here's the deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace has some serious insider information.
[SPEAKER_01]: on almost everyone because chorus has the ultimate smoking gun, because the cascads are just infalling him, feeding him everything in these and now they know everyone's dirty secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: And legitimately, no everyone's to see her.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, let's talk about the Red Thirsty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Red Thirsty, everyone has a fond of you know, the problem of the Red Thirsty is that these are space marries.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are supposed to be the upholders of civilization, the upholders of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: And every now and then, because not constant.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like something that's like a true D&D van, but it's going to live often.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's just a lot of times in combat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you get into combat situations.
[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, you have people that are about to high five them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And oh, yeah, you killed Townsfolk Billy because you were
[SPEAKER_00]: hungry hungry I'm no reason so and Sanguineus knows Sanguineus obviously is very well or and he is terrified of this because he knows he's supposed to be the good guy and I can't be the good guy when my soldiers everything just the good guy he is
[SPEAKER_01]: the capitals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is literally the face of the imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: I probably at this point should admit to everybody that I have an ultramarine army, so I am partial to kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not though.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not even going next to good guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's your liking because he's the good guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but I'm saying as far as like people knowing this is the guy that's on the posters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, true.
[SPEAKER_01]: At this point, I'm saying, when he is literally the poster child for space mates and just to again lose every blood angel listener.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Twilight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a house.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the long hair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a twilight poster.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there's going to be a successful podcast, but I guess we're just going to leave this luckily the Blaine does are only one of the most popular factions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I apologize.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will apologize to all of you individually who I know who played Blaine and Joe's for this comment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, Lyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was my first thought, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so anyway, Horace decides to seize on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Horace knows that San Guinness needs to cleanse this from his legion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Horace knows us before it is fun, five.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what Horace's biggest piece is, as we talked about earlier, was, he has to go through
[SPEAKER_00]: the sole system.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the sole system, it's not just earth that's fortified, the entire system is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the system is literally flying to get every earth to get to the emperor is going to result in incredible amounts of death just as it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there are
[SPEAKER_00]: a loyal legion's present, he probably loses, stuck from a war of attrition.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he sends, this is what his thing, he sends people to far fringes and then sends people out there to slow them down, through them with nightboards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nightboards were out there to slow dark angels down so they couldn't get back to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sends that his worst versus their best.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just make sure they don't get back there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now with the blood angels, he did an interesting thing, rather than send his own legions after the blood angels,
[SPEAKER_00]: he sent them somewhere special into the sickness system, which and told that he'd go to the sickness system is in rebellion and he'd go out there and put it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what was the sickness system?
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it was technically in rebellion, but what was rebellion, Brad?
[SPEAKER_00]: Even, baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, if you haven't read these books, I know we've said this a couple of times now, but this is one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cause I'm cod bent, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was literally going to call them big cake because I ruined the name every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like big cake, big cake.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, it this becomes a forever villain of the blood agents by the way, just for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, but yeah, it's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, we should talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, this is some awesome fights.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the blood angels arrive in a system and again, point out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not aware of chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they arrive there and this is an entire system that has been devised to vote themselves, the chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in mix of gods, you've got Slanesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually don't have the Nurgle there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have Slanesh, Corn and Zeej, I know we're all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember if Corn, if Nurgle was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there was a, the biggest thing is that it's, it's a mainly corn infestation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's primarily a corn yet, but they're all there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they arrive and this, they, they're a fault to send a me before.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing of the blood angels is they like a good fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is legit fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you have one of the, I can't remember it's supposed to be eight, I guess, greater bloodthirstyers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we should just come on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he rocks out saying, Winnie, as you haven't talked about what a blood therster is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's take a little side view tour.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen Lord of the Rings?
[SPEAKER_00]: To the ball wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: To the blood therster, AKA the ball wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: which, sorry, tell, can we're going to steal so much stuff over here for the course time?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what you get for writing the greatest story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say, also the ball time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry for being there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a great writer actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is your fault.
[SPEAKER_00]: You wrote the greatest fantasy novels in history.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, a bloodthirsty is effectively the ball read.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is an embodiment of primal rage and martial prowess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bloodthirsty are always terrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ocean, a bloodthirsty showed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a holy crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the best of the best of the best bloodthirsty.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is now showed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, saying, what he's doesn't even know these things exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know where you've come to a planet that you thought was full of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a one, twenty, thirty foot.
[SPEAKER_00]: demon with wings carrying a kind of like legion of dumb, dangerous demons, the, everything with pointy sticks and it is, and said, what he has just gone to him, not, and they decide to fight hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: metric ton of blood angels falls and effectively plot ups saying that's fairly rackets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, saying when these falls unconscious because as we this is for it's not just that these guys are psyched they have connections.
[SPEAKER_00]: The entire legion is psychically connected to their primary mark.
[SPEAKER_00]: So both feel both ways, the primarcus wounded are injured, the higher legion, and not just local, you know, we're going to go like to go, we'll feel it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And vice versa, as blackels and big K, big K to start slaughtering blood angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And St.
[SPEAKER_00]: Glynes actually falls unconscious from the sadness of the death.
[SPEAKER_00]: And well, he gets golf swing by big K. I saw at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does take a little bit of a hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he falls down unconscious.
[SPEAKER_01]: This then triggers something in the blood angel, which is the beginning of the black rage.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some stuff that happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get that we had to add it on the beginning because Brad may have jumped the gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the black rage, this is the first episode, basically of the black rage, the blood angels devolve into effectively mindless killers, devoid of anything, but the urge to murder the people that ruin their primer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And luckily, the things in front of them are all demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of a cool move.
[SPEAKER_00]: They succeed.
[SPEAKER_00]: They actually take this entire demon army, including Big K and just walk them and push them back into the immaterial.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the end of it, you know, saying, when you pretend they're awake, back up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they're also just standing in front of again, space, dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're ashamed of their actions because they were mindless killers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're doing a bit of a foreshadow to later on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is the first time the blinding was realized.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where what Sengrania thought was a
[SPEAKER_00]: issue with them trying to drink blood is actually a lot worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are mindless killing machines all of thunder warriors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a big thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is their future.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is is this what my inevitable downfall is and all of the blend angels have to deal with.
[SPEAKER_01]: I might lose myself, which is a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those of us that have some issues with being able to have cognitive problems, know that that's a real fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not a really an ideal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is, these were moved away from the blind.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is a really important foreshadow.
[SPEAKER_01]: The blood angels have also, Horace is becoming a huge dick at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Horace did all this.
[SPEAKER_00]: on purpose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, no exactly what would happen by doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he did think that they were going to get ruined by it though.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought there was going to be worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought they were going to actually lose more.
[SPEAKER_01]: And their mutation would make it so they were functionally not able to fight in a. Organized tactical way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Luckily, the blood rage that result would disappear having a lot of casualties.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the blindels are at this point in largely intact fighting force.
[SPEAKER_00]: that are now moving back towards Earth, so we're pissed off but also a little bit ashamed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like this is a good place for us to break as many of our next stories we're going to cover are quite interconnected.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about what horse is achieved and has not achieved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Vulcan is dead, sort of again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he has died a bunch of times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Conrad is out there creating a bunch of issues with dark angels and they keep slapping him for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're kind of stuck in this other galaxies and the blood angels Horace was hoping to completely undermine and now they're actually mostly fine and even better at fighting in him super pissed off at Horace So there's that from here we're gonna jump to our next episode where we'll be coming more of these skirmishes going on with the lawyers and the traders to really help start setting us up for the final invasion of soul.
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