[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Forty Kaylor cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hello and welcome to the Forty Kay Lorcas with me, John Barsati and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're finalizing the invasion of Seoul where we are today is Horace has landed.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have taken basically the entire planet, borrowing, I don't know, five square miles, probably less than of the capital.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're taking the gap because that's where the emperors children are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the emperors children are in the gap.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's going to happen now is Horace is going to win or Horace is going to lose.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's not forget that there's some serious reinforcements that are either thirty minutes away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three years away, three months away, there is people, there are people coming and they're also the big hitters.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're the big hitters of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_02]: Horace did a fantastic job of going all the people that I don't really know if I could win against.
[SPEAKER_02]: You should go on a snarf quest and find stuff over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a black area.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's something there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You definitely should be on the other side of the galaxy doing this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really important.
[SPEAKER_02]: super important.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know that there doesn't seem to be any stars and it's a black spot on the map, but they're just me on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's you'll figure out when you get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so like these people are all on the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, Conrad Cruz, partially your fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it kind of before we launch into this, the first kind of big push that the forces of chaos did failed pretty badly, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got pushed back at the attorney wall, they got pushed back to the side of the gate, they actually got pushed back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now they need to do another push because as we said last time,
[SPEAKER_01]: They did their invasion, they kind of captured everything, but the emperors, you know, the psychic barrier was holding, the blood angels are holding, and the bread is alluded to.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first dark angel ships just appeared like twenty minutes ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're out by Pluto, but they are bee-lining towards Earth, and no one knows where the rest of, I mean, again, the ultimate force is big, but Brad said it really one last time.
[SPEAKER_01]: the dark angels hold a grudge.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when they get there, it's over.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's kind of just jump in so we can knock this bit out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one I wanted to kind of, I think we should talk about here is a very fun story about magnets with a surprise, you know, a surprise guest piece.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_02]: which as usual, though, this is a could have been a nail in the coffin, but as usual, chaos has its own agenda.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think this makes his move.
[SPEAKER_02]: Magnus makes a pretty awesome move.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a cool issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the first time to make Magnus in the whole story.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the problem is, is that Magnus is
[SPEAKER_02]: on a scavenger on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Magnus is trying to get something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Magnus could have solidified this position and he basically breaks through.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it lets actually just do a quick touch up on what Magnus is going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when Magnus gave his soul over to chaos, he basically broke apart into a bunch of shards.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was definitely doing what Harry Potter stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: He who not be named.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his soul has fractured.
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnus is literally going around the galaxy trying to find his heart to rebuild himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we might as well spoil the alert.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great nights.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to leave it at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great nights.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Magnus knows that one of his shards, Malkador has.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so despite all, and to me, I like this because when I'm reading the stories of the Horace invasion, I understand Petra Robo's goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand Mortarian and run doesn't take long to figure out what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace, all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnus, I always start to like, what is his goal here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is he?
[SPEAKER_01]: His, his legions basically destroyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's nothing much and he but he's a like front line fighter out of nowhere in the Horace and the Horace Harrisy and I remember I'm reading the books going like I had the thought of like did they just wrap on this that I miss something?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, because he's a different pretty he actually has his personality isn't shattered also But now this story explains it his whole thing was he was just trying to get something so while Horace is trying to kill the emperor more territory trying to kill the emperor emperor
[SPEAKER_01]: and runs trying to kill everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pedro Robo just wants to slap for a little door there and probably go home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it full grums.
[SPEAKER_01]: Full grums just full blown weird now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he is definitely the kid that you're not a lot of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnus seems to have this a really weird purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is the point we discovered what the purpose is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the purpose was he was going to break it effectively break into in quotations.
[SPEAKER_01]: The the emperor's palace, all the oceans eleven.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was on any elaborate psychic ice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to go and steal back his shard.
[SPEAKER_01]: So while all this fights happening, this is what he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: He actually, him and his and his buddies cloak themselves and they sneak into the Emperor's palace.
[SPEAKER_01]: They get through the Emperor's force filled through every, which is impressive though.
[SPEAKER_02]: He actually literally does
[SPEAKER_02]: a cup of all ritual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And makes us, but he goes to walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so while they're that, so he's now inside, while it's all this, this massive battle is happening outside the walls, the inside of the walls, we're safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnus just comes strolling down a hallway and then Malkador is also going down those up the same hallway which you can imagine pretty awkward meeting when dude who's supposed to be outside is inside and you know you're trying to kill each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, Magneter is not supposed to be doing what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's also that piece.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to also has fourteen other side plots that he's doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I need, but he wanted to go for a little bit of a walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Melcador and Magnet's range other at which point they begin to fight and Magnet's ass, Melcador.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, where's my shard?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's Melcador's response, Brad?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he talks mad shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's about all I can say.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just says, hey, it's gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can never have it again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go pound sand.
[SPEAKER_02]: You effectively cause him a whitey bitch and tell them to go away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Magnus does not respond to that super well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is one of those fun ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnus kills Malkador, which is a weird thing, by the way, I mean, from my perspective reading these books where you're like, okay, the entire defense of this of
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, the loyalists, faulted two people, the Emperor and Malkador.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of them's randomly walking a hallway runs into Demon Prince Primark and is now, who also Voltron, when he kills him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does, it's not like he dualed him and he suffered a blow.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he just obliterated him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, and at this point, Magnus just decides, well, screw this, I'm killing the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all in with his chips on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, hey, I got a pocket tens.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would do in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just starts fighting his way towards the golden throne, gets all the way there, fights through everybody, and has a very fun little plot twist of Brad, who's hanging out next to the emperor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Surprise!
[SPEAKER_01]: Like his Vulcan's back, Vulcan is back, and Vulcan is pissed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because Vulcan's had a tough time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have Vulcan's died about three hundred times now, and I've got a hundred percent sure how many, but yes, it's also been in some seriously terrible ways.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because Vulcan was trapped in the AKS and when you're crazy, brother finds out that you're an eternal
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he might do terrible things to you over and over again.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Vulcan's not super excited that Cass exists for one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the people are trying to kill his dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also Vulcan's a paladin and he's a good dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these two begin now fighting in the middle of basically in front of the emperor's golden throne, who's I'm assuming paying mediocre attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the funny thing is is they on this is one of the things in the early battles when you get brother on brother battles is the fact that because bad British dad has not told his sons about what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't know that their brothers are what being juiced up like him.
[SPEAKER_02]: PDs from chaos are a hell of a drug.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: These guys are pretty like not passing the USA to test and
[SPEAKER_02]: Vulcan fights, Magnus, and they go into it a little bit in the books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Vulcan might have wrecked it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I think that Vulcan thought he was just going to walk through Magnus and then all of a sudden Magnus is faster and bigger and stronger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, one slightly attacking him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he wasn't ready for either one Chris and I have the books here though is that they they they they they yeah Vulcan is kind of thought that way but Magnus is also a like fourteen foot winged demon Prince right now with horns and giants you'd think Vulcan would have gone all right you know it's a really good do we never said he's the smartest of the craftman good craftsman he makes one hell of a hammer but maybe I don't know think for a second
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, hey, you doubled in size.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can fly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, he's, he looks different, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you look, you been working out?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have, like, I don't remember, like, you're having wings.
[SPEAKER_02]: And every single one of these stores, they are consistent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every single one, time, then a primary, primary battle happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first time somebody meets a cast of views, primary, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: They always have no clue and they don't think anything of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess, again, it is, I'm looking at the lens of a forty one of them at forty one thousand looking back at thirty thousand, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't know what it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, but it's also, I think that to be honest with you, I think all the primaries are pretty full of themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they just don't think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course I'm gonna win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've beat his ass before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll beat his ass again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there are all just lots different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who are you got wings?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you were whining before you're probably going to be whining now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cute wings.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they begin fighting and there's a hell of a story that is kind of funny where Mort and Magnus starts getting the better of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as he's busy beating Vulcan down,
[SPEAKER_01]: a random salamander runs in the sacrifice of the use that strategy I find funny because the guy self sacrifice himself to stop his dad from dying his dad who's an eternal and would have just come right back anyway but at least this happened so madness kills
[SPEAKER_01]: a random salamander.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's his spinach pop by style.
[SPEAKER_02]: Powers up gets Vulcan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: After I died, it was basically like John Wick, getting his puppy killed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: And proceeds to put on his boots of mighty ass kicking.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he obliterates me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just Rex himself out of Magnus just has to run away and decides to go back to attacking the ambers psychically, which is a big thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They go into this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is one thing that I do want to go into a little bit, because they have a
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just a psychic.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think psychic and you're throwing lightning back into this kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a soul on soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're inner power.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are trying to go at each other and like you're inner fortitude.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're wheel.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're battling.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while the Emperor's not going to lose this one, but Magnus is no joke, but the reason that it's even a battle is because the Emperor is trying to get him, hey, you should join.
[SPEAKER_02]: You weren't the problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Magnus did nothing wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And tries to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he shows him, unfortunately, he shows him the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting at this point is, I'm actually going to get to in a second that some more splintering of chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think in my opinion, is that at a certain point, it was around this element of the invasion of Saul.
[SPEAKER_01]: all of the trader primarks kind of just accepted what their life was.
[SPEAKER_01]: They seem to accept that this is not, we're never going back to the old days.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's over.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I see this a lot with Magnus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnus was given a lot of options to turn back.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens here is the Emperor gives him an offer and says, Look, you can still come back to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will accept you.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, there's a big button.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, however, he'll have to let me kill all of your progeny.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can save your soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can bring you back the rest of them not only do I not save them.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to go hunt them down and kill all
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he doesn't say, but he's not just killing them.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wants to extinguish.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to kill them body mind spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I get where the emperor is on this one in the sense that like, you know, I can save you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't save that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's thinking that he's going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the emperor is still even with all this happening is still not even the fact that
[SPEAKER_02]: We're eventually going to win, and I need to still push chaos back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And my original plan is still going to work, even though it wildly is not working at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I still think he's like, I'm in a cleanse cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm going to make sure I have no one knows about it, even though they already do.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to make this happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: His plans are bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a skywalker error going levels.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is just confusing when you read about the emperor or you're just like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's powerful being on the galaxy possibly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have, you have maybe future site, but obviously not good future site.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't fully grasp him, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, what we end up with is that, so a couple little quick things happen here, which is funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then Malcolm Dore is then resurrected via a self-sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He again would have came back tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I write the notes first.
[SPEAKER_01]: This shows we've been through and read this and I'm in the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking in books.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm now going online to look for comments and I'm just like leaving at the bread.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brad, you explained to me why the eternal had to have a self-sacrifice to bring him back.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't say anything about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: My only thing was as I thought that possibly that because Magnus attacks you effectively attacks your soul, that maybe he
[SPEAKER_02]: fractured the ability to be an eternal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they don't see anything about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at least give me the highlander thing if he cut his head off.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, okay, now I know the rules fair enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just a guy that always comes back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's literally the emperor's buddy who has been killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot a lot and that was back and we could spend some time talking about the how they self actually I was going to say to we'll just cover another episode talking about and I'll be a surreka who was she the woman the way they brought mackerel back just really brief stories the woman who was with the emperor when he went to which is that way as this such a sorry I need to screw it about this little bit
[SPEAKER_02]: This is someone that literally went with the effort to go, I don't know, you know, chat with the chaos gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: She's just there and then she gets a side note.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is like probably
[SPEAKER_02]: the basis of what Forty Kay is the one of the most important events that ever happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got four paragraphs on her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's like, hey, yeah, there was somebody with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would probably like to know about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened to her afterwards?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I left her at that gate to guard it for all eternity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the chaos got there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then she failed.
[SPEAKER_01]: She took off.
[SPEAKER_01]: She bailed up, came back to Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're hanging out here now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then my best friend died and I asked her to just kill herself so I could bring him back and so she did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not like a thousand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly that would happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, everyone, that you they just went, hey, this should be like a main character in this story.
[SPEAKER_01]: It should be a novel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, multiple novels.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a life experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: A couple paragraphs.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're just like, yeah, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, went with Emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: My Chaos Gods.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to go hung out at Chaos Gate for a couple of thousands, tens of thousands of years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Chaos got to close Chaos Gate, ran away from Chaos Gate, went back to Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: And immediately got smoked for no reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then killed myself to raise some dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: who is gonna raise tomorrow?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who's going back anyway?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's that story, but it's fun part, full console life for now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he'll always be alive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, now we're getting to some more funny parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we've been discussing, chaos has gone to chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: And two, I think the two of the most challenging groups who were part of this invasion, to me are the iron warriors and the emperors children.
[SPEAKER_01]: because they don't really have a dog in the fight in the greater ski.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in my opinion, they both have a reason for being there, but the same reason everybody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think let's start with Amber's children because it's the funny story.
[SPEAKER_02]: just embrace this connection, the problem with embracing the God.
[SPEAKER_02]: So accessing the battery is the fact that they're not real consistent in their behavior because, well, their God says, don't ever do the same thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you want to do something different?
[SPEAKER_01]: Every whatever makes you happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he decides that this siege is lame.
[SPEAKER_02]: Effectively, and just goes and starts punking the citizens of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he realizes it's like he keeps trying to get through these defenses.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting shot at.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting stabbed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his guys, his friends are dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or can take, there's a bunch of just regular dudes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really like billions of people that I could just do horrible things and take back to the warp of make them slaves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's actually funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's actually our stories throughout the Imperium of this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's actually quite funny where they're actually talking about like to the citizens of Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: ten thousand years later, still don't trust space marines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because one day they were all kind of hanging out and a bunch of space marines showed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy actually at first children and just became murder torturing them all and taking the year and you wish you got murdered.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that you did not get taken back to the war.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were just went
[SPEAKER_01]: through and they don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: So many and no one could stop them because remember all of the good guys are inside the fortress.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only other people around are the other bad guys and demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're really are just kind of standing out there going.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is not great for the siege because they weren't really having a trouble.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seizing the gap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when Fulgram just takes
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, not some.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just like, I'm going to go do some other stuff guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, hey, we kind of really thought that you were going to do this in the siege.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, this is boring.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really want to do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't enjoy this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go wander off this way for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: It completely does.
[SPEAKER_01]: So absolutely nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I do find is very hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the end of the story of the embers children in the siege of terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they just, they never come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just walk away from it at this stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: The siege is going, the traders are at the gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can they ever not hold it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the adverse children just want it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also crazy hard core fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the most, yeah, there are titans that are trying to breach walls and like, you know, and one prime up flying over there and stabbing it with a spear.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was no break in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't take all real rumble and he just wanders away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hands of thousands of soldiers just kind of shrug their shoulders and wander off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just do something over there and do something over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, bye and they're gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a funnier one.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other one though that actually is interesting is the iron warriors in Pettarabo kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: comes to terms with what the deal he's been making.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we've said it more times than I used a weird story though, because of the fact, and I'm going to get backlash on this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think better about ever decided to be cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't read anything where I see him communing with Chaos God.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of these two stuff now, everybody's going to yell at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's ten thousand years later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, is like, at this point, I think that he went
[SPEAKER_02]: You guys kind of suck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I really want to show my brother that he's a bummed, but also like everything that's happening has to be like pretty freaking weird by this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so when I was reading the book, what I noticed was that there was some just little thing pieces in there that are snippets I thought originally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll get to what's going to happen in a second, where it felt like he really did believe that Horace's goal of overthrowing the Emperor was the better for mankind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he felt that mankind was good, he felt that mankind deserved a better leader, and the Emperor wasn't that leader.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was his motivation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's where all the stuff he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of it's pretty horrid stuff, you know, he did, he did those pieces even being betrayed by Fulgrim and then hanging out next to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, which I would just go side note when Horace put Fulgrim in charge of invading the soul of this funny story.
[SPEAKER_01]: When Horace put Petarabo in charge of invading a lot of these systems, why he didn't just throw the Emperor's children into every single like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just as vengeance for like the day man, you left me alone on a planet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's say I wouldn't have put full-gram in charge of anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that I, I, full-gram or Petarabo's leading, I'm saying, but like he basically put him in charge of
[SPEAKER_02]: whole sectors of what you're doing things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, it's a, a pet-up of my opinion, doing what we're getting us.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens here is kind of, a pet-arabbo just, all of a sudden, looks around and realizes that he's on the side of the demons.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's literal demons that his guys are laying down covering fire for while they run off and pull some guys limbs off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just has that moment of
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why am I?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we the bad guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I the bad guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think I was the bad guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just it's kind of a cold moan where he's looking around.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will be honest, he stood next to Demon Prince Angron at one point, which is pretty solid sign of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he gave orders to full-gram in full-stakes form.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he's got, you're looking around, go in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, they're, they're, they're at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were some signs.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, this is your moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, this is your moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: But much like on a more positive note, versus the way that full-german emperor's children just wandered off to go and slaughter anyone they could find, I know it was just do stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually, and I will do more stories about this because he doesn't, doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't just do sound.
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes on a kind of crusade of screw all of you on my way back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't a super cool thing to see the Iron Warriors.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took a real casual path back to, yeah, I have tears.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was not great for anybody that was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was not super happy about how everything went down.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he apparently wanted to show people on the way home.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is actually times up pretty well where Horace kind of starts
[SPEAKER_01]: reinvigorating whatever term you want to have because he's been the poisoning of the chaos has actually been eating at course a soul quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been for large portions of this campaign.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's actually been in conscious and he's been coming in at a consciousness, but it certainly should be touched on the other time.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, go.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Horace knows that he's starting to read the bottom line, the fine print of his deals, and is like, I think that they might have gotten the better of me on my negotiation skills here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And realizes that I might not be all there anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he starts, he gives the, which by the way, when you give the power over to Abadan, who was kind of a dick before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's came around.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, Hey, you're in charge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of right now, but not completely right now, but like I may or may not be able to function in any of any value to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I need you to step up and lead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he effectively just makes him warm after in proxy will be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Abadan, even before spoiler alert, we're about to get to some stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, he hands it over to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a big deal because I think that Horace is one of those unbelievably flawed characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think in the end, he always knew that he what was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he knows that, hey, I'm super juice, but I think even though I've convinced myself, I rationalized all my behaviors that
[SPEAKER_02]: This might not be the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at a certain point Horace knew he was wrong, but couldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was too far too far gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he also probably knew that he was going to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: But so Horace now decides to push.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he orders everyone in.
[SPEAKER_01]: He goes all full of salt in period palace.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, again, we got to go back to those reinforcements.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He also doesn't know what's coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it could be six checks.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could be six hundred thousand ships.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he knows that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to be seeging the best fortress in local health.
[SPEAKER_01]: His only chance is if the dark angels and all tremorians arrive and the emperor is dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's, yes, he's already won.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he has that fortress.
[SPEAKER_01]: He may be able to sit there and say, we're going to fight this out, but you're not going to change any.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so I think I know control the fortress.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're going to do about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he goes all in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He throws everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is an all in gamut, too, because this is a, I'm taking catastrophic losses at this point too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, because what's happened is, as we discussed before, when you have a stalemate in a siege, the people doing the siege are losing usually five, ten to one.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's because it's much easier to sit behind a wall and shoot someone that stand them over field to shoot up at them.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just the way it goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the traders are losing forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horus goes screw it everyone in and they go in.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, the the loyalists also kind of see this coming and just and get the notification that reinforcements are in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jagged a con is one of the people there who as you discussed before, Jagged a con is not a huge fan of standing behind a wall no matter how many times he leads a tunnel him to.
[SPEAKER_02]: He lives an awesome charge that is a terrible decision.
[SPEAKER_02]: Looks cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks really awesome in the movie of the Siege of Terror, but it also
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's them take catastrophic casualties any time when they should have taken.
[SPEAKER_02]: No casualties.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he decides that he needs to go back out and retake the lion gate because they're losing their losing ground until he goes, this is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to grab this space port so that A, we stop the traitors landing, but also B, the ultramus and dark angels can have somewhere to land when they get here.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was also told ten times to not do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, these I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, does it?
[SPEAKER_01]: He does a little like speech, brave heart style and everyone runs out that runs out the gate and to go fight the deathguard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, it actually going time of work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It works actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: getting that they all run out there, and I think the traders are sitting going like, are they really attacking now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, oh shit, it's working.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it does actually have an effect.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Con is able to push out there with his white scars, and with a bunch of guardsmen, and do actually begin taking the poor fat out there again, taking, needless casualties.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't take it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so condom actually fights there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the one problem is that when you attack the deathguard, there's someone waiting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is more tearing and mortality and in kind of had their enough discussions at this point that they don't bother with the forty five minutes speech of blah blah blah blah blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're fighting.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best part is, I do love a lot of these, because a lot of these primary contracts are people that didn't like each other any way, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_02]: And other like, I just want you to know that I always kind of want to beat the shit out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to do this forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm super glad that you're on the other side.
[SPEAKER_01]: A theme that we keep seeing here, though, is, is another one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Non-demon, non-demon, primar confused versus demon, it's like non-demon-fused primar versus demon, if used primar,
[SPEAKER_02]: And also somebody else that doesn't know that demon infused primar is kind about us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but they don't take into any account at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause he's like, I'm just going to dance around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mortarian and well, he does not.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mortarian just beats the ever living crap out of con and in fact, it pales him on his sife.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but you know what I'm gonna tell you how much of an old man I am and I'm hoping somebody else remembers this you're in the original X caliber film from the eighties.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh God.
[SPEAKER_02]: This entire scene played out because Con drags himself up up up up up you are not implying that GW convicted committed
[SPEAKER_01]: Here, this is an original story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll let Brad continue, but I just wanted to use him.
[SPEAKER_02]: The best is he pulls himself down the side.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, his side is gigantic.
[SPEAKER_02]: He basically just runs through five foot of size.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to tell a story then I'll ask a question afterwards.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then he proceeds to pause while pulling himself through the blade to talk match it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like while he's in pale, he's, oh yeah, remember the time self-closer on a side.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like six inches thick of steel and whatever side steel inside my stomach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I'm going to take this moment, did pause.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hold on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talk enormous amounts of shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, it goes on for a couple pages in the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a whole speech that he's going to get to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's pulled it out of his back pocket.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's reading off every single element of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, mortarian apparently is like, what the shit man, no one talks shit about me and decides to drop the side and plans on giving you a speech back in Congress.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was done with my speech and chops a set off.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the only element that this really bothered me is, and I think most of us, if you don't know the site this Google it real quick, it's shaped like an L. I don't like, like, if you have no idea how you supposed to do it, that's totally, like if it's a sword, you're pulling this spear from like a salad brand as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has an L shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: So is he just going like, if I'm holding a site up as he just kind of moving
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I guess technically you're also like look at the model.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also he has like a fifteen foot longs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just I'm very it was just me was reading and going like how do you pull yourself closer?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is one of those like for those of us who played eight to addition and ninth edition, you know, your consolidation move ends up closer in quotations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you circle them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that you are technically closer, but you move forward just the other direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but I did like the fact that he
[SPEAKER_01]: did not let him give his evil speech.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he would have just chopped his head off, which then actually banishes more tearing, because at this point, he is a demon print.
[SPEAKER_01]: So with more tearing when you kill him now, doesn't die, doesn't die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, in my opinion, just disintegrates and reappears in the warp somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Khan falls down broken.
[SPEAKER_01]: which then makes the rest of the white scars lose their shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then rompoll stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the plus side is that the deathguard leader also just died.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now that you've got two groups of people who have lost their prime mark.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would argue that in chaos, that's less important than in the loyalists, the loyalists, I think, due to a lack of chaotic influence.
[SPEAKER_01]: And influence are probably more affected by the loss of common or more enraged.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas the deathguard, Demi, or moral team,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've still got this plague that's just heating it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's heating my soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, this, this already sucked on my body's dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got responsible for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was time to speak exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Technically, if time was just then they'd be lit, then you'd sell it, praying.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they do actually grab the lion's game.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lion's game is still somewhat inside the palace.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other part of this is really have it though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they thought they were to it and they were able to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they get a swing.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it was a video game, they wouldn't have got points for taking it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they just instantly lost it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think strategically it was beneficial because it stopped this endless flow of
[SPEAKER_01]: Trader is coming through that that one landing zone, but there were a lot of other lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's three, yeah, three of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just three others.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they were, they were fine, but they're, I mean, they did, they did their thing when moved there to the attorney gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what this is now we're going to get to the very end.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the very end of this is chorus is this lands basically everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone leaves orbit and they're on the ground outside of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Final battle time, we're attacking at dawn.
[SPEAKER_01]: It actually said that, which I was just, I'll be honest, it followed three things.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, you don't attack at dawn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Strategically, you never attack at dawn.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's when they can see you attack at dusk.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it makes no difference because they have night vision.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the point being, it's just, we're gonna attack at dawn.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the Fourteenth Century.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, let's skip that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Emperor's barrier now, but before he does this attack, what Horace does, he decides to do full court press.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to land everything and we're going to fire every gun we have at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, I'm going to take all the sikers and we're going to go into that and we're going to attack the Emperor kind of from the inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we can break his barrier, then we can get through.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Simply put, this is a bad situation for the emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he does have a trick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, sometimes you just get a wind up Vulcan and send him into the web way, which Vulcan won has no idea what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two does not care at all, apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just told Magnus isn't there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, it's clover in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: As you said, he enters the web way to kick ass and chew bubble gum and he's all on a bubble
[SPEAKER_01]: Magnus is in the warp, attacking the emperor, and all of a sudden, the guy who just beat the shit out of him appears.
[SPEAKER_01]: Superman, he just wants to kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually, again, I don't even know if this story matters for what we need to tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm diving into this story because I just enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this was an enjoyable story of Vulcan trying to beat up Magnus.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the fact that Vulcan also just does some
[SPEAKER_02]: I call it Lehman Rosimoja, which is roadrunner stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Magnus puts up a psychic barrier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Vulcan doesn't understand what it is and just beats it up physically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, that shouldn't work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can't possibly hurt my psychic barrier by hitting you with a hammer.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, sure I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, I'm still going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually beats that up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the part that I find it absolutely hilarious here is this like,
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is I think it's the same thing here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Vulcan gets exhausted, beating through all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And eventually does break the barrier down and has to fight a rather healthy demon Prince Magnus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what's Magnus, too, Brad?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check all over and over again.
[SPEAKER_01]: But every time he kills Vulcan, what's Vulcan do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just gets back out, which means that, again, pointing out that dude who died maybe ten minutes ago enough on the guys?
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, really.
[SPEAKER_02]: The rest of he does the he keeps giving up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He killed my father prepared to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the sum of the ones I listed here is he, he, the Magnus cuts Vulcan's head off, which he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Vulcan had regents because back on, he suffocates him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Comes back.
[SPEAKER_01]: He burns him into a crisp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Comes back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And each time he just comes back and punches Magnus his face or hits him with his hammer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Over and over again, until Magnus actually disintegrates him, which is his spell and disintegrates Vulcan.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the end of it,
[SPEAKER_01]: Vulcan drops a hammer on his hand and Vulcan re-setting rates.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to make that a word today.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this smashes of mag this is head in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And finally, mag this is just done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we relieve some of the pressure on the emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the emperor now is now not getting assaulted through the via the warp by a magmus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just said, I just like the stories like this idea, they've just constantly killing someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, you know what I'm doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Deadpool is Deadpool.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably what this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's more of a Deadpool type reference.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just a keep killing him.
[SPEAKER_01]: There I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was going to have a text job, but no one will know what they're on time.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not, we're not.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to keep, I think for the sake of our podcast, that we can keep most of our references post internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was only an eighty-three fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Post internet, Brad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Post internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about space Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So back at the gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sanguanyas is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know if he's snapping a name bloodthirsty back while flying to show everybody's reinvigorating from around.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, it is taking a Titan and talking mad shit to everyone and cutting it's head off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even know there was a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is one of those ones where you read things GW writes and you go, hold on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He cut the head off of a robot and the robot died.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's chaos infused.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good story.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also the head is hundred feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Easy in diamonds.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the smaller parts of the.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not the Titans are like basically walking cities.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he does cut it's head off in the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does cut it's head off.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so segue is.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that is true.
[SPEAKER_02]: They also said you should surrender and he went, how about instead and flew up because he's a dude flew up to a robot.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a few hundred feet tall.
[SPEAKER_02]: And cut it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it died.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the, but to Brad's point, he's just using this to keep the loyalist fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's only trying to foster Moral on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the, another cool moment for us, though, comes from as we discussed in the prior episode, when they got, when Horace sent them out to cure themselves of the red thirst, there was actually a super bloodthirsty named Kaban.
[SPEAKER_01]: actually defeated Sanguanyas that time and only lost because watching Sanguanyas die released the blood the they went kind of nuts on that yeah and fought back.
[SPEAKER_01]: This time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kavanda reappears and sanguanyas makes an example of and no flies him over top of the gates and proceeds to snap his spine over his knee.
[SPEAKER_02]: and basically gives the, is there anyone else that smidge?
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we are at full clip more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we have, everyone is attacking the, the traders are throwing their full forces and the truth is the loyalists are not holding.
[SPEAKER_01]: At this stage, the loyalists are starting to, it's just, it is overwhelming and they're falling back.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're falling back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's also a full demonic incursions.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they effectively have,
[SPEAKER_02]: Infinity forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they run back and they decide, you know, the custodian guards orders one more gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the gate to the palace.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're shutting this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone run this way and we're shutting the gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone runs back.
[SPEAKER_01]: They begin to close the doors.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually a random Titan holds the doors apart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me actually say, new free-phrase this because I'm not selling this well enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: The entirety of the loyalist force runs through one gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's all here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, giving it a full credit because the Titan does a head first slide in a home plate as anything stops.
[SPEAKER_02]: James, it's claw from it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, a Titan is depending on the Titan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hundreds of feet tall, a giant robot, a Pacific Rim style.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dove, to try to be safe and home plate and jammed his hand in the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the gate now is stuck open.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you know what makes it really, really fun?
[SPEAKER_01]: That a gate stuck open.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ron goes to run through said gate because you know, it's these stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ron just keep randomly appearing at random times to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, anger on.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're playing an MMO, which I'm hoping people have heard of in this particular case, Angron is in charge of ads, which I've said multiple times because he is, oh, one thousand and one versus anybody that's a main boss.
[SPEAKER_02]: And well, he gets to the upper hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, St.
[SPEAKER_02]: Win is, but apparently get the memo.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was the main character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's pull it back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's set the light up better than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ron comes blasting through this gate.
[SPEAKER_01]: And who's waiting on the other side?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's segment is literally Darth Maul's age.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just goes, and they begin having, and he also is standing by himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a hoard of cash behind Angra, by the way, in saying, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm kicking his ass and then I'm kicking his ass.
[SPEAKER_02]: It gives like a big guy's in one line, little guy's in another kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just proceeds to go, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: So choose to up Angra,
[SPEAKER_02]: Does again, get the upper hand, but he should have known that he was not the main character.
[SPEAKER_02]: The red angel was not the red character here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he just runs saying, when it's through, which saying, we just decides again,
[SPEAKER_02]: I heard con try to do this, but I'm going to do it way better and proceeds just rip the butcher's nails out of the head of primar gangron and apparently that's not a great thing because his head blew up like scanners.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's the angron just dies or you know, Steven Prince dies goes back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well he rips the nails out and literally falls to the ground pulls the sword while actually sword disappears when he leaves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pulls the nails out his head blows up and he just whists away to the warp.
[SPEAKER_01]: because he's full.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a demon at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then this gives him a chance to actually close the gate because the thing that you know is an anger on his anger on, and this story has happened to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did it in his fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's done it a couple times on soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Couple times where right as chaos is about to win, anger on shows up and jack something up.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is, again, you put anger on the ads, stay off the boss.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't want you pulling an aggro.
[SPEAKER_02]: You always ruin the raid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, anger on, they shut the door at this same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, when he kills anger on, we should pull back to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: When he kills anger on the chaos forces, it's just kind of go, what the shit just happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: everybody stands there again because one dude stood there by himself against everyone and then they just kind of go, we're gonna use this to close the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you guys can go ahead and close that door.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll come see in a few minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like everybody kind of went with what the hell just happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: So the the angrier is the fetus of us just got his ass kicked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna I'm a hold in a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so who is that that dude that just went up?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the Titan head cutting off?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, back breaking guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's San Guineas, let's just be sure to do a quick note for San Guineas has now single handedly in melee killed two Titans a giant demon and a demon prince primal in the period of like out of twelve hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and also he does all of these basically on paper view.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he's also done.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also saved Jagadai Khan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is just he is having a time of his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's ending Pete right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's definitely getting all the votes.
[SPEAKER_01]: This though shifts us over to kind of one of the really big moments.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the big moment is now, Gilliman, the first communication of Gilliman's coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's actually something he's about to be about a week away, but he also has Lehman Russ Correx and the Lion are all coming at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Correx is showing up with him and like his, he's going to a barbershop quartet.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is the Lion and
[SPEAKER_02]: Leave in roster showing up with a legend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, each and gentlemen's got a fact me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gilman's legion so large.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's even.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gilman is not even bringing this to the old remains.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll handle that later.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he has a smaller empire worth of stuff he's bringing himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this communication not only do the loyalists get it, but obviously the traders get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this creates a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Horace now has to freak out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace as, the whole challenge for Horace now is like, okay, now we have to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Horace decides he cannot get to the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_01]: He realizes that his plan of breaching the walls and fighting his way to the Emperor isn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's some debate is to what happens next.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the why he does where he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we've been read count this like seven times, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because and you're older than me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're one of the biggest things is he used to be he lowered the shields while he was winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: To go the emperor to show up and then they changed it to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or as couldn't win, anyone in the effort to show up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's been back in fourth several times since I've been doing Laura in the since the the nineties.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's changed several times.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the end, the one factor remains.
[SPEAKER_02]: Horses on the ventual spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: He lowers his void shields and just kind of says the emperor obviously is instantly aware that this is happening and just says show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the problem for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's also the fact that Horace Mayer may not have been powering up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of like what the emperors don't right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We won't go into that.
[SPEAKER_01]: One answer and this is a really important story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is an aside note.
[SPEAKER_01]: This actually is critical to the telling of fortigate this moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: The challenge is that the emperor is sitting on the golden throne.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is still powering all of the force fields.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the emperor just pieces out of this throne to go fight for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: all of the fields through the whole of territory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody gets smoke, which is every demon's in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has to do something here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if he wants to go up there, he has to win, but he has to win immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But even then, someone has to, but someone has to take his place.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the person takes it that they decided to take his place is going to be Melcador.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Malkador, the difference is as much as we talk about Malkwer being powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Malkador is the second most powerful human in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, but we're talking second play.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, Usain Bolt runs a run in the mix, then one of us does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we take second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but like you have to take two pictures.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it sounds winning and then you're like hand back over.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying both's going home and we're coming through the finish line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's it's that level.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: So most we need he's he's going to get smoked by this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This machine's going to eat him and Malcolm or couldn't be happy to do it because he knows why he has to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's part one of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other one though is it's pretty obvious.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a trap.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'll be a trap.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even talking like, Oh, I wonder if you made a mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the next piece is, well, who's going to go with the emperor into this drama for sure in space Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, we know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but sort of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Roguel Dorne's going to go and I'm going to make bread tell that story.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's telling it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but sanguenious and then actually constant him Valdor, who's the head of the custodian custodians.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're all going to they're all going to jump with the emperor up there while Malkador takes the throne.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is also something that happens like immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like three seconds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they don't debate this for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: Malkador goes, well, it was nice to know when you guys and the rest of them were like, hey, would you like to go on this probable suicide mission?
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody goes, I'm in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they load Malkador in.
[SPEAKER_01]: The emperor comes out and they jump onto the vengeful spirit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in, let's, I have to, we have to go back a little bit though, when they show up on the vengeful spirit, the vengeful spirit is a nightmare.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is basically an extension of horses wheel at this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were literally going into the enemy's base.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're, he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was, my thought process is, I mean, moving about horizon, it's at level.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a spaceship that has been
[SPEAKER_02]: It's how?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it almost is the warp manifest in the sense of the level.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's he's controlling everything on the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is literally an extension of himself.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's effectively having pieces of the ship attack the guys and they get separated.
[SPEAKER_02]: They immediately get separated.
[SPEAKER_02]: was this is a terrible trap.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Horace is also wildly psychically powerful at this point in time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And no one had any idea that he's on par with the Emperor at this point in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're about to find out how on par in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they all land and they're separated.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they all know where to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rogal Dorn, I have to be honest, doesn't really do much.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gets lost and a almost dream and has to walk through a desert.
[SPEAKER_01]: mine he's going to hat with two bills on it once says the emperor once says Horace he's ready to spin it no matter what and he's on his way sang when he is though we'll start with sang when he is because the fun part is like he actually ends up tell the march to the bridge to the bridge and his facing horse and I made a note here because I actually this is important
[SPEAKER_01]: So in the last, we'll go with twenty four, maybe four to eight hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: San Juanias has fought and killed two titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the most powerful demon princes that corn has.
[SPEAKER_02]: and angron and more space marines demons insert thing here dude has been swinging a sword non stop like hardcore he is has to be even for a primary exhausted but also he's had to do everything and act like he's not because he is the PR that he's the face of the appearing at this point time he's the face of the resistance everything he's done while unbelievably hard
[SPEAKER_02]: He also has to basically do, while given the smile camera.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is easy, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of you can do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should all be doing what I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is no big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Starship Super.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did my part, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, nineties movie reference.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're moving it up a decade.
[SPEAKER_02]: So unfortunately for saying when is Horace's while the OP at this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: like, why on the OP?
[SPEAKER_02]: Horace tries to turn St.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gwyneth's saying, Gwyneth is like, you're literally sitting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be hard for you to convince me that I should be part of this when I just teleported on to the hellship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you were basically emanating evil of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're losing evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is not a like, you're not like a classy movie vampire.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And unfortunately, saying, when he goes out real quick, because Horace is OP, and he effectively just snaps his neck.
[SPEAKER_02]: He strangles his body with a quickness in, well, sorry, blood angels, but wow, this was bad for your lead shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because the shock waves coming from him from saying, but he has died for your sins.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we're going to have to do quite a few episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you're not, if you're more up as I can count about what's going to, the results of what's about to occur here for almost every single legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as I think when this is lying, get it horrors as feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Emperor shows up effectively as he's dropping.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and just walks into the bridge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we've got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the culmination of the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Emperor is facing Horace.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Emperor, they just begin yelling at each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the weird part of both, and this is again, and I can several times, but whatever, I'm going to give you the best, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: My best interpretation of this, which is the Emperor
[SPEAKER_02]: is not man, he's just disappointed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't even know if he wants to turn him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He just wants to make him, I think he always knows he's going to battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he wants to make him know that he's wrong, which is super messed up in this entire books.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of people that do things specifically to say,
[SPEAKER_02]: It meant you were wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's what I need from this and he just keeps telling him.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a pawn of cash.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're exactly what I'm trying to stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: And sorry, British, dad, if you would have given me ten minutes, if you would have given me a goddamn email.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And send something about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the example is furious at Horace for not seeing the thing that he'd never told him about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was saying, like, well, yeah, of course this is it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is exactly what I've been trying to stop on Tara this entire time.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are the thing that I'm trying to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they begin so, but eventually, you know, you can only yell so much and fist the cuffs occur.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is where it gets really weird though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, this I've seen has changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: This story has been read.
[SPEAKER_01]: Several times.
[SPEAKER_01]: It moves like about how this fight goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will give you all the most current version.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'll let Brad kind of touch on to private.
[SPEAKER_01]: But on the current version,
[SPEAKER_01]: Horus beat Samper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Effectively.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horus beats the Emperor up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And not the no one else can say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, beats beats him up pretty badly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like throwing him to the ground and fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in other, in past stories, the fight was much more even.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fight was even and the Emperor just wins, but kids horribly just.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's, I mean, you can pull this back, there's no matter how it's overcome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Emperor and Horus are actually fighting in every spiritually.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's psychically.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not battling.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no whoever's winning this fight is deleting that person from
[SPEAKER_02]: Existence, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are killing their soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not killing their body.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're killing their soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're literally destroying everything that makes them them.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're, you will do not exist any way shape or form after this fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is what, this isn't a, oh, man, I got stabbed.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're gone gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever wins this fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the fight under the current version, the emperor is lying there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Underneath Horace, and Horace has won.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a fun one, because there are actually numerous different stories here, but A. E. Loyalist appears on the bridge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And gets, oh, believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes a Loyalist is a custod, sometimes a imperial fist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's a garbage guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Eric.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he literally kills him like Dr. Manhattan style.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just,
[SPEAKER_01]: off of smokes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this guy runs at Horace and Horace just and laughs at how easy it is, which again, okay, Amber, you have the most powerful being in the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is they've always said that possibly the Emperor was always holding back because he didn't want to kill his face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I'm just also this beat of like there's a, okay, we've been telling this story through seven episodes, eight episodes now.
[SPEAKER_01]: getting a little sick of the plot twist being, well, then I saw someone do something really bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm most of that last little bit of a, of that, or gee, I get it, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even my little energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, she now cuts through horror and soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm kidding, guys, like the writing we have of this, it bothers me as as someone who, just, I like good stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: don't lean on the same plot twist over and over again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you shouldn't hooking, think of it every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's see, Vulcan twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got San Guenius has done this.
[SPEAKER_01]: John, Johnny, condesons.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a non-stop story here of like just when I thought it was over, then someone did something that mustard me, the strength of your level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ten thousand didn't just say, oh, I could have won this whole long.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, that's what happens here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the emperor then decides that
[SPEAKER_01]: There is nothing you can do.
[SPEAKER_02]: He voltrons his soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just disintegrates.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't just, well, he doesn't just, well, he doesn't just react.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he just cuts through the space existence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he, yeah, Johnny, that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, he, he just killed his body.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Abadana eventually grabs the body law.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the angel spirit and takes off.
[SPEAKER_02]: But what happens is he smokes horis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, any smokes horis out of existence.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in doing so, Horace kind of has that, I'm going to give you my wild guys, Horace has the Arthur of Menah, where he gives the, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Which King reference, most part, popular thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It gives the whole thing where he gets the, oh, I was wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got clarity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I probably shouldn't have allied with the forces of evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: seems pretty self-evident, but he goes, man, maybe this wasn't a great thing, but he's also, again, depending on the story, because there's been several of this, he's happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the things why I gave it to Habitant.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the first place is he wanted to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think chorus felt the corruption at a certain point.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was just too far in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was very happy to finally be rid of all the corruption.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was just happy to be through with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was no longer me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was something else and now I can at least die as made.
[SPEAKER_01]: In what is not a subtle homage to the end of Lord of the Rings, the death of Horace
[SPEAKER_01]: the entire trader legions, all of them in every battle all of them go.
[SPEAKER_01]: They feel it and they all leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: The battle is over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, kind of the emperor dying at the end of Star Wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're trying to the general.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, hey, we have over no overwhelming forces.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can still win now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our leader's dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: things that we're gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, they just all end Dale.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, of course, the black rage has just explodes through the blood angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to cover a lot of that later in a different episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're messed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: But on the vengeful spirit, Rogaldorn gets a blast into the bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, after everything's done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if you're guys good job, Rogald.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you watched this whole fight in a way to eating popcorn in my hand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also sorry, Pirro Fiskas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate Rogodorn.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Greg Rogodorn comes in there saying when he says dead, the Emperor is actually near death.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Emperor tells Dorn, you have to take me back to the Golden Throne.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Dorn grabs him wherever else is around and they teleport back down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the emperor is ruined.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's quite literate and dying rapidly, not the slow movie done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the thing is he's holding on by psychic might because his soul was wounded.
[SPEAKER_02]: He, again, we weren't fighting physically.
[SPEAKER_02]: This isn't an output, some Stimpac sent you and seal this wound.
[SPEAKER_02]: He literally had his soul stabbed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the real thing is he's like his life force is dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this next bit is critical for anyone who's new to the Forty Kay universe or anyone who's in it like this next piece for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Emperor tells him the only solution is you're going to have to effectively consume me in this golden throne.
[SPEAKER_01]: Malkador is disintegrating before their eyes in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the very last thing Malkador does is takes what's little left of his life essence and gives it to the Emperor, which is just enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like almost a little CPR bump for the Emperor to get to stop him dying as they load him into the golden throne and seal him inside of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is important because this is the last time anyone sees the Emperor physically.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's also the last time that anybody has physically commuted to the Emperor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we'll get into this more because we've had times when people have touched into the psychic essence of the Emperor on the Golden Throne.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the emperor also becomes a disparate entity on the golden throne.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he has, it means one of the main themes of the last thing he says is, your purpose is to defeat chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: He tells them this is your purpose as the imperium and then is sealed away to only be kept alive in the most gruesome of manners.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to do
[SPEAKER_01]: fun episodes or this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is critical because the leader of mankind is both alive and dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's also a light, he's a light house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is literally a light house.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the only reason that you can travel from period wise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other people can do different things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's something to be said for that promise everyone we're going to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brad and I'll do a fun episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: We make pockets and guests for that one to discuss is the Emperor technically alive or dead because I think from a for you first millennia, there is a very fun debate to be had around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he's also powering up, and there's times when he could have been brought back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, he's an eternal, and he could have been taken out of the throne at any point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Totally.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's the question.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's could have.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, this is true.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it because of the fact that he did psychic damage to him, soul damage.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the spirit death.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where this gets kind of interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we're, I'm teasing future episodes and ideas here, but that's where we're at.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's kind of get to the conclusion a quick
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to take a quick five, six minutes here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where we are?
[SPEAKER_01]: And take you where we are and jump you give you a quick bridge to what's going to happen next to get us to where we're going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the emperor, the loyalist of one, the traders are gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Scatter.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're scouting.
[SPEAKER_01]: As they scatter, the dark angels and the ultra marines show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not super excited about.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not, yeah, this is basically a very aggressive
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, luckily, Gman's always been the voice of reason.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lion is a little vengeful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that he should have made his flagship the ultra-eventual spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The vengefuler spirit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the lion's first, I'm just going to give this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lion's first thought is he's going to figure out a way to basically kill all of chaos.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, that's a terrible plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, I'm, I'm gonna do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will figure it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I won't, I'm gonna clear my schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I can make this happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all of chaos has to flee.
[SPEAKER_01]: They basically all go back to the I have terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: That.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they get a, they take us there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They take a very leisurely path.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them decide to grab some souls on the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the big thing on this is we would go in a future, but to go and wait, what has happened?
[SPEAKER_02]: We get ten thousand years of the Emperor being unapproachable, unassailable, in new fluff we will go into, living where there's some stuff that's happened, but he has a factively been a beacon in the dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give the dark nights of each, but he has been.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been the light in the warp, but
[SPEAKER_02]: and people know there's some people know and don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's also what is keeping the chaos gods at bay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he is every single day, lighting the beacon of God or throwing all the references out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to do two thousands for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: but he's he's letting the big and but he's also battling cast every single day on every single everywhere he's fighting literally fighting a spiritual war versus what I wanted to kind of get more into it's like
[SPEAKER_01]: talk about and you've talked, you've talked that's what we want to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Seth Brett, where the Imperium was actually really improving and structuring itself well because you had leadership.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we have none now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gone now and everyone is everyone is now spending ten thousand years quoting the guy who's alive but hasn't spoken.
[SPEAKER_01]: So one thing we're going to spend and Brad and I were actually we were discussing what we want to cover and what they were covering a few drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's definitely what life is like in the Imperium the forty-first millennia.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's significant news.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's significantly worse than it looks.
[SPEAKER_02]: How do people go to chaos?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh, okay, never mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's and so this is where this is why what you see this little moment here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not a little.
[SPEAKER_01]: This moment here is what sets the whole thing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: The horrors heresy set up the the incursion of chaos.
[SPEAKER_01]: It chaos exists.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we look at what is the grim dark of the forty-first millennia.
[SPEAKER_01]: it is based much more heavily around this, around the emperor being both there and not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the factions being splintered, the fact that most of the best leaders they had are folks on revenge.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, is that the entirety of the period becoming this caricature of what the man behind the imperial wanted, he is now worshiped as a god.
[SPEAKER_02]: which he'd want to do abolish all religious.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he is now the focus of the religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because he's the focus of religion and warp exists, we'll get into that in future episodes because people are willing things into existence.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, is that it's a nightmare.
[SPEAKER_02]: The impure and became in ten thousand years instead of the guiding light,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll give the Rome, the Roman Empire.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was what people wanted Rome to be and then what Rome became.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So at this, we will conclude our coverage of the Horacee.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to come back in the future to help connect the bridges.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we decided for our next bunch of episodes, we're going to take a little bit different turning
[SPEAKER_01]: throw some time to what I would call the Zeno's factions.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first and foremost of which being where they all came from and one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the things I want to do is we want to do some free form.
[SPEAKER_02]: We wanted to set everything up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have here's the horse heresy, which is the basis of forty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is the first written story at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the origin of forty.
[SPEAKER_02]: After this, we're going to go in a free form.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'd like you to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love you to go to our discord.
[SPEAKER_02]: And our Facebook, Lorquette's Forty Kay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just ruined the Forty Kay Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Forty Kay Lord cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: As I said it, I went, that is completely wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm an idiot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Feel free to have that drawn.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll leave it in just to make you feel stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now I will.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't gonna end it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, one of the things is we really want your direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to, because from now on, we're gonna just pick, but one of the big things is I'd love you guys to show up and just tell us what you think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell us how wrong it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like tell us what you would like to hear in future episodes, because we've got, oh yeah, infinite amount of stuff we could do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, we could, we're not going to, we could do a hundred hours on the works and buy, but you're not going to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I try.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, there's so many things to talk about, and I'd love to see what you want to hear first.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, with that, thank you all, and we will see you next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is John Barsai and Brad Chester.