[SPEAKER_04]: Hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the wormhole with cork DAX and their good friends Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost missed pronounced your last name, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I've ever done that.
[SPEAKER_00]: where I add an extra syllable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would make a kneel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Make a kneel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also we have a very special guest today.
[SPEAKER_00]: So excited to have director extraordinaire Jim Conway or Jamie Conway as he has known as to other people.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jim, welcome.
[SPEAKER_04]: Also Garrett, you didn't announce his most important title, which is my golf buddy, Dolph Park here in Utah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that is great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, isn't it golf and tennis and my correct place in tennis?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you guys played the popular sport of pickle ball yet?
[SPEAKER_00]: Has that happened for you?
[SPEAKER_04]: Not me, but I think Jamie had.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not old enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Aaron.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're much far too young to play pickable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie, you kind of got cut off there.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you say about the pickleball?
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, I have played pickable.
[SPEAKER_03]: I play tennis primarily, but I have played pickable with some friends and socially in my grandson and it's a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you do enjoy pickleball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't tried it yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we should try it, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jamie is a very good tennis player.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just want to say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very good tennis player.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he plays.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you don't you play in here in Utah lately with some tennis groups.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I played at the PC Mark twice a week and I played with friends once or twice a week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all the times that you directed us on Voyager.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were so sporty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at how he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you do that back in the day, too?
[SPEAKER_03]: When in LA golf not tennis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, only golf.
[SPEAKER_00]: So tennis was a later thing for you then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, God.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there was a golf group at Star Trek, right, that you played with.
[SPEAKER_04]: Some of the, was who do you play with?
[SPEAKER_03]: We get people together and once a year and we would go to big big courses and stay overnight like we went up to Tory Pines.
[SPEAKER_03]: We stayed there and we were all terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was like, well, how bad it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we had a good time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who was part of that?
[SPEAKER_04]: It was Brad, you Kobe and I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Brad, you Kobe and you're like me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Billy Peats did Billy Peats, but he paidfully played a few others.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I remember some of the, some of the crew would talk about those golf trips and yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also play with Billy too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I told you that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I play with Billy a few times and Bob forgot Bob's last name on Billy's crew.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob, Bob something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But those are fun times playing with the crew casting crew.
[SPEAKER_04]: Our men are you a tennis or golfer?
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and one time I was a tennis player.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was never a golfer.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was, uh, uh, I really didn't like off.
[SPEAKER_05]: I catted for two years and when I owned a ice game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, wait, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: You catted and I look at the shoulders that this, this is from catted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where did you get, at a country club?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where were you getting?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I catted.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was, uh, eleven, twelve, thirteen.
[SPEAKER_05]: Um, and New Jersey, New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know that about you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, Armin has catted and Jamie, you don't know this, but he also babysept at a nudist camp.
[SPEAKER_04]: Was it?
[SPEAKER_04]: This is interesting childhood in New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you have to take your clothes off, where you'd maybe say?
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: And as I've told these guys before, the people who I worked for told their neighbors that they were going away, that if they were going to have a babysitter.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the neighbors were very kind.
[SPEAKER_05]: They'd showed up in their bathrooms, bathrooms, to make sure that I was okay, because I was taking care of the children.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they were very kind.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of stuff happened to you when you were dropped.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had a very interesting child.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to ask now that now that I know you caddy does it as a youth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you ever watch the movie Caddy Shack?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't particularly like those kinds of entertainment, which was, which was why I was a pain in the ass to Ira because I would never play the comedy the way he wanted me to play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I must say, because I hadn't many responsibilities as a catty, as you all, all you golfers must know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oftentimes, I had to make sure I knew where the ball went, so I had to say yes, it's over there by the tree.
[SPEAKER_05]: And for people who die a catty, a lot for, and as I got to know their game, I would start to tell them which clubs to use.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think maybe you need a three-iron stance.
[SPEAKER_03]: I always love that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know real idea.
[SPEAKER_05]: Even though you had no idea if I watched if I watched their game enough if I can't eat for them enough times I would know their game and that's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing again.
[SPEAKER_00]: No idea if we had no idea and then now we know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for sharing that.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're all getting to know me every two of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I was thirteen I also can't eat for a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where I learned to play poker and drink and swear.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they used to, we didn't have a driving range.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they had, well, they do his name.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go out to one of the fairways and hit balls at us.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we had a check strategy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they would hit the balls and we would pick them up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then in those days, a team carry was five dollars or four dollars on the tip.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if you had a double, it was a ten dollars including tip.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that sound about writer?
[SPEAKER_05]: That sounds about writer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys were slave labor if you think about that about right now.
[SPEAKER_05]: But we got a lot of exercise.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you know what?
[SPEAKER_05]: The, also, we were part, I was part of adults, and I was getting adult behavior as a eleven-year-old.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, I was invisible to them a lot of times, but, but, you know, they talked to me as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: And some of them were very loyal, as I said, a lot of them would come back to the golf course and say, I want armament as my cat, he's so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They loved interacting with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: But also, it doesn't work out armament, you know?
[SPEAKER_05]: I've often said to Kitty, uh, if acting doesn't work out, I'm going back to waiting on tables because I really like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was a horrible waiter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, rub it in like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not like, I mean, I didn't mind the work.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just bad at it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could not like manage all the orders in my head and
[SPEAKER_04]: and timing it from the kitchen properly, I was horrible.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was very good at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet you were.
[SPEAKER_00]: One last thing about golf though, when both of you were caddying at when you were twelve or thirteen, there were no digital range finders where you can look at the distance or the app on your phone, which has the course in there, which would tell you exactly, you are one hundred and thirty two yards from the pin.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have all that now, but none of that when you two were doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess work instinct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, need to have to figure this line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, for four bucks for my god.
[SPEAKER_00]: What'd you pay for, exactly?
[SPEAKER_05]: And did you have to sit there for a long period of time waiting to go out?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, me too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what you guys do when you're waiting?
[SPEAKER_00]: We play cards and smoke and smoke and swear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, speaking of smoking.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of smoking in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, although I think Megan is not a smoker.
[SPEAKER_05]: Looking at this.
[SPEAKER_05]: I feel like Megan is not a smoker.
[SPEAKER_05]: Was that part of the casting process?
[SPEAKER_05]: Jamie, did you have to ask him if they could smoke or not?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we had to warn him that they were going to be.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was exigents.
[SPEAKER_05]: I did another show, and they just cast me, which was very nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they never asked me if I could smoke or not, and I don't.
[SPEAKER_05]: And when I watched the episode, it's really obvious that I don't smoke.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very obvious.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, what July, fourteenth is.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: July, fourteenth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's a steal day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy, best still date.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, okay, maybe it is best still date.
[SPEAKER_00]: But more importantly, it is the birthday of one of our treasured Patreon patrons, Nicholas Elbano.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Nick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Nick.
[SPEAKER_04]: Happy birthday, Nick.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we have another birthday on July, nineteenth.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's Debbie D's birthday.
[SPEAKER_04]: Happy birthday, Debbie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Debbie.
[SPEAKER_05]: Happy birthday, Debbie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jamie, I don't know if you remember, but Garrett and I do some poems.
[SPEAKER_04]: We do a little poetry synopsis of the episode to kind of warm up.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Armin does a little etymology where we actually get educated and learn about what the title means.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Jamie already knows that I'm a pedant so you don't have to remind him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to start off with my Limerick poem for the episode Little Green Men goes a little something like this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nogs headed to earth at the academy and then cork breaks the rules for some profit again.
[SPEAKER_04]: They go into the past.
[SPEAKER_04]: This explains Roswell at long last.
[SPEAKER_04]: Boy, I really loved little green men.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Little poetry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you had every reason to love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So good.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, here is my high coup for little green men.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark takes Nog to Earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Four centuries to early, Rome saves the day twice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is important.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think this is the first episode or certainly the pivotal episode where we realize that Rome is not immediate.
[SPEAKER_05]: That Rome actually is quite brilliant.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's a enormous part of his character arc.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you chose the right word.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's pivotal because there's been little hints at this before.
[SPEAKER_04]: But this episode just blows it wide open.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's very intelligent and a great problem solver.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_05]: The title of the episode is called Little Green Man.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's no difficult words in it.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's basically Saxon words.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they have a non-Saxon derivations.
[SPEAKER_05]: So little is from the old English, and forgive me the pronunciation is wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's something like light, light is the original old English to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: And also corresponds to old Spanish, Lutal, or middle Dutch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lutel or high German, Luzil.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's little.
[SPEAKER_05]: And of course the definition is of material objects, small and size, not large or big.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now of persons from the OED, it says little means short and stature.
[SPEAKER_05]: That applies here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Green, again, a very simple word from the old English.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have the pronunciation wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: Green, from frigen, and I can't pronounce this, but it's, I'm gonna say, green again.
[SPEAKER_05]: Old Spanish, grown, middle Dutch, grew, old high German, growny.
[SPEAKER_05]: interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: And again, that's the adjective denoting the color, which is which in the spectrum is intermediate between blue and yellow.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's funny when you said groany, I thought of the drink, the cocktail, a negroni, which is kind of greenish blue a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Greenish brown, maybe.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I first had that in Italy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: My God, it knocked me out my ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the teleplay was by Iris Steven Bear and Robert Hewitt Wolf, story by Tony Marbury and Jack Trevino.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you guys know that Tony and Jack actually pitched this story during season one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Pillar was not jazzed about this story, but it just happened that the fifth yearth anniversary of the Roswell incident was to take place early during season four.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is when writer Renee Ishavaria proposed that they do the Roswell show and everyone agreed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a nice show.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that aspect of this episode that it takes, you know, real mythology, real sci-fi science mythology of
[SPEAKER_04]: of earth and and ties starts again to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'll tell you something that's very coincidental when I first got the script and read it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I was going to direct it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said, well, you guys do know that I directed the movie, hang your eighteen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did a movie called hang your eighteen starring Darren Regavin.
[SPEAKER_03]: which was a fictionalized version of this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Of the Roswell accident.
[SPEAKER_05]: A fictionalized version.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jamie, this is real and that was exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, this is real, Marvin.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a set modern day for then.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a space shuttle hadn't actually gone up yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but we dealt with not saying we had a space shuttle incident where something interfered with it and it crashed.
[SPEAKER_03]: and it was a spacecraft that crashed in the shuttle pilots for the ones who were investigating and got involved in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's called hangar routine.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so when I got this script, I'll beat down.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was on the impression that it's bring Texas.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was on the impression that you tried very hard to get this script.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're saying now that it was just dropped in your lab.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I, you know, the generally didn't work that far ahead on,
[SPEAKER_03]: script, so I'm not sure whether they had new things or not, but it's just, it was great for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, you were the perfect director for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was, he is and will be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not only is he the perfect director, he's the perfect podcast guest, because right, my next thing I was going to say was,
[SPEAKER_00]: James, you, there was a very interesting way that you ended up directing this episode because you directed something in the past and then he'd already jumped into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the perfect podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's ahead of us.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's already ahead of us.
[SPEAKER_05]: When you got this assignment, did you begin to think about not just
[SPEAKER_05]: set-ups and that sort of thing, but lighting as well because the lighting is unique in this episode to others deep space nine episodes.
[SPEAKER_05]: But was that something that Mark that D.P.
[SPEAKER_05]: came up with?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was Jonathan West.
[SPEAKER_03]: When we talked about having a look like, you know, shot for the period on earth and all that, of course, the wardrobe and the hair and the smoking and even the casting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the people belonged in that time period and they were great for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's fun for me to watch it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't seen it in decades.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It really was fun to watch it again.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually forgot that the dog when the dog became, uh, oh no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I forgot that that happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally forgot.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a surprise to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like I said, I've only seen two deas line episodes and this is one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when the when Odo turned into Odo from the dog, I go, oh, I forgot about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a great surprise.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously, this episode was written and designed to be an homage to the fifties B movies and as Jim said, they actually brought in actors that starred in B movies from that era.
[SPEAKER_00]: For instance, Gregory Walcott from the
[SPEAKER_00]: Phil planned nine from outer space.
[SPEAKER_00]: He came into audition for Lieutenant General Denning, yeah, for Denning.
[SPEAKER_00]: So bringing in these actors who actually were starring in these fifties movies was, I think, a great little twist.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've already seen that because when they brought in the Clingons, they brought in the original series Clingons that played them in that one episode that we saw, I think season two or three, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So they keep in that theme of bringing in people from the era, which is wonderful.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was very loyal that way.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's very loyal that way to people and the work done in the past.
[SPEAKER_05]: But Charles Napier, he was just stupendous for me to work with.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know how Jamie felt.
[SPEAKER_05]: But for me, he was a huge presence and I really enjoyed his being on the set.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will tell you that, you know, I used to always sit down and go through the tone meeting on the
[SPEAKER_03]: scripts and before this one I had done a number of DS nine before this but he this was the first one that was so much humor and he said well you know drifting comedy is different than directing other things and I had done some comedy before so I knew that and but I told him and I was when I read it I mean I love humor in these scripts and these ones that have sort of break away episodes that have nothing to do with all the other things that are going on and featured armament and his crew of
[SPEAKER_03]: Miss fits are always fun, fun to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, that was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, can I just read a quick quote from my, remember he would wolf, he explains all the characters are archetypes from those movies, the B movies, the sort of human nurse who sees beyond appearance and the tough cigar, chomping general and the sort of traitorous mid-level military officer and the noble scientist and it was just like so much fun just to play with all those archetypal science fiction characters
[SPEAKER_00]: sort of given nod even beyond the original series, but are not to all these great movies from the fifties, which made Star Trek possible in the first place.
[SPEAKER_05]: And yet there's an enormous nod to Deep Space Nine itself when nod mentions the bell riots, which is a previous episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yes, showing that little pad with Cisco's face on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: This episode reminds me a little bit of when, on Voyager, we did the Captain Proton episodes, which was an homage to the old sci-fi movies of the thirties and thirties, really.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: The flash cordons and those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this reminded me in that way of just a love letter to sci-fi in general, you know, and it was really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that, okay, you brought that thing up with about the Bill riots, Armin, but that was my one knock, literally.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you, not you've spent how many hours with Jake, you should know every single millimeter of his father's face, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like him looking at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The line should have been, this guy's, this guy is just, you're dead as a, uh, bedroom and Cisco's doppelganger.
[SPEAKER_00]: is what he should have said, you know, because this guy looks exactly like, he kind of goes, we kind of looks like him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like, I like Hork's response.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, humans all look like.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, look alike.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's how you sell it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how you sell it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was wondering, the human, the pronunciation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that something you did?
[SPEAKER_03]: Was that in the script, you remember?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, that's always me.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Always saying that there's very little that actors can do as you know to change the script.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: But we could pronounce or mispronounce names.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we couldn't mispronounce names, but we could mispronounce certain things.
[SPEAKER_05]: And human was one of the human was one of the things I started off with pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a screen in this episode that became iconographic for me as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you're getting the shots.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the guest stars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, the iconic Charles Napier as Denning.
[SPEAKER_00]: We also have Megan Gallagher as nurse.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to ask this, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was under the impression I could be wrong that that part was just offered Megan.
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that true?
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you remember?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the casting, the breakdown services listed as we are looking for nurse garland, and we are looking for a Megan Gallagher type.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually listed that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at that point, Megan Gallagher's agent called up and said, well, you know, Megan might be able to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when the role was then offered to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: I sort of heard that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We also have, let's see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Charles, Charles Napier played Adam in the original series episode, The Way to Eden.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was already on Star Trek back in the sixties.
[SPEAKER_00]: Connor Ofero played Jeff and Connor also played Burzon in an enterprise episode, Rogue Planet and also
[SPEAKER_00]: Did Jamaat in the enterprise episode chosen realm and we have James G. McDonald is Wayne Wright.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I have a I have a connection with James McDonald.
[SPEAKER_04]: So a couple years before Voyager started I did a movie the week up in Calgary.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a Western and James McDonald was in that film with me and we shot for three weeks probably up in Calgary out on horseback and doing a wagon train thing and James and I
[SPEAKER_04]: Jim, as I knew him, Jim, he, you know, I really became good buddies.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't know he was in this episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he was wearing the hat in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like, God, that guy looks familiar.
[SPEAKER_04]: But when he took it off, but I saw his head and the whole thing, I'm like, oh my God, that's Jim from the Western.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I googled last night.
[SPEAKER_04]: found he had a website and an email on his website.
[SPEAKER_04]: He emailed him last night.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's flying today.
[SPEAKER_04]: He couldn't do the podcast, but I was going to have him talk in the red.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I haven't talked him in years.
[SPEAKER_04]: What a great reunion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is he still acting?
[SPEAKER_04]: He's still acting.
[SPEAKER_04]: He also has he works with incarcerated persons and works with
[SPEAKER_04]: theater therapy and acting and plays and so he he he's done a ton of you know guest artwork and recurring work but also he does this work theater work with within mates.
[SPEAKER_05]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's a good he's a great guy.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how much you remember him Jamie but
[SPEAKER_04]: But I got along, we headed off those three, three, four weeks we spent up in the mountains of Alberta.
[SPEAKER_04]: We headed off.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: What year was this again?
[SPEAKER_04]: You said, right before the day.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think is when I did that, M.O.W.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not the Donner part.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was the Donner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it is the, it is that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, was he one of the mountain was the name of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was he part of the was he a guide like you or was he a wagon train person?
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember who he played.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's so long, but we were both.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, cowboy wagon train.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't rip it a down and party movie for NBC.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, nineteen, seventy-eight or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, let's dive into this story.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we start off in quarks.
[SPEAKER_04]: It looks like there's some kind of garage sale going on or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ram is holding a traditional Feringi fundraiser for Nog in Quarks bar.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's selling his boyhood treasures.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is traditional when a young Feringi goes off on his own.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I have to say, Max delivered the speech to the room beautifully.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, those kind of scenes often can become performative and very presentational and big.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought Max just, he laid it out in a way that I was like immediately drawn into ramen dogs relationship and the emotion of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was grounded.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was very personal.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right out of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a question about acting with those teeth.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did they were putting them in?
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, you all were able to do it very well.
[SPEAKER_03]: They'd take practice.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you said this, this, this tooth here is getting in my way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you move it?
[SPEAKER_03]: How did all that work?
[SPEAKER_05]: As I remember, they just gave me the teeth and I had to deal with it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And my teeth weren't ever a problem, weren't ever a problem.
[SPEAKER_05]: Max had the max had the one tooth that came out.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm sure that was a problem.
[SPEAKER_05]: And in other episodes, Max had some kissing scenes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I felt really badly for Chase who had to kiss that tooth.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I don't remember any of us really stumbling because of the teeth.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think we got used to it pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that the Westmore did a great job and they fit snugly and
[SPEAKER_05]: They gave us each a little different sound that we normally would make because of the tea, because the prosthetics in the mouth, but they never were a problem.
[SPEAKER_05]: However, ironically, at the very end of the show in the seventh season, somewhere like two or three episodes before we ended, somebody came into my trailer and stole my teeth.
[SPEAKER_05]: They just disappeared.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Westmore had to make another pair really, very quickly because I had to work that day.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm surprised they didn't have a backup ready to go for those kind of things.
[SPEAKER_05]: I kept them in a container with Polydent and, you know, to clean them.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they were in my trailer and they weren't collected every night.
[SPEAKER_05]: They just sat in my trailer when I come in at the end of the, you know, after my makeup was done, I put the teeth in and go to work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you take your teeth out between takes or did you leave them in the hole there?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think for the most part, they stayed in, because if I took them out, I would have to put them in a container.
[SPEAKER_05]: So they pretty much stayed in, except during lunch.
[SPEAKER_05]: At lunch, of course, they would come out, which used to piss Renee off a great deal, because I could take the teeth out and eat whatever I wanted for lunch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Renee's makeup came down to his lips, and therefore, if he started to eat something large or crunchy,
[SPEAKER_05]: It would break up the makeup so he was he was restrained to only eating basically yogurt for lunch for years for years for years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Always being retouched and reshot and it was awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like just want to say one thing to the individual who pilfered those teeth if you happen to be listening to this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shame on you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then through social media, contact the Delta Flyers, you can arrange to have that ship back to us so we can give it back to Armin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do the right thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do the right thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: They won't give it back, everyone.
[SPEAKER_05]: They'll just auction it off and make it work.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, everybody's there at this garage sale.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, even Warf is there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Warf says the captain asked him personally to come to the garage sale and Bashir and Kira there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bashir gets a hollow suite from the pleasure goddess of ricks.
[SPEAKER_04]: which Dax insists.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dax buys it for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He buys it for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Dax, Dax likes the Feranky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dax loves.
[SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't really know what to do with the Feranky.
[SPEAKER_05]: And Kira, of course, just hates the Feranky.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she is not a negative towards Feranky though.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: But he's ambivalent.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's ambivalent.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's Mad because she sees the spring ball racket that she's been missing from her quarters for two years, which I thought Aaron did a great job of all.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's been laying on the bars that strange and nice close up reaction.
[SPEAKER_04]: We love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it's very funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Quark arrives and he tells Ram that he's got a leave right now and check this shuttle that has arrived from his cousin Gaila.
[SPEAKER_05]: as cousin owed him money or did your cousin owe you a shuttle or is that what it happened was uh... if i remember from the episode is uh... quark at lent gale of money that's right and gale out promised that should his his venture go well that he would get quark ship
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you got it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got a shuttle.
[SPEAKER_04]: The frangies have a shuttle.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he tells Ram, go check this shuttle and Quark also comments.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not very happy about not going to the academy.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's really not happy about that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's not new.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, Quark doesn't particularly like humans.
[SPEAKER_05]: He doesn't dislike humans, but
[SPEAKER_05]: He watched the frankey to stay within this year of frankey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I just bring attention to how lovely it was watching, Worf.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sharped his teeth and that moment of realization.
[SPEAKER_00]: He loves this tool.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, how much?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's part and parcel of the indoctrination of Warf into Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_05]: It is learning that this is a different world, a different culture, a different
[SPEAKER_05]: or altogether, and he's beginning to find out new things not only about us, but about himself because he's in this other culture.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is only the seventh episode of this season.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's very early in his experience in Michael Dorn's experience with the show, this cast, all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's super cool for the massive TNG fans out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the fans that love Warf on TNG
[SPEAKER_00]: They get to see another side of him, really.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get to see, they get to even deeper character, develop a dive into Warf undies nine, then they ever got on TNG, I feel.
[SPEAKER_05]: Jamie, when you got your tone meeting, not only for this, but for other episodes, did they tell you what they expected their actors to do as far as, for instance, this one, this moment with Warf?
[SPEAKER_05]: Did they tell you what they wanted from the scene and from the actors?
[SPEAKER_03]: only if it was something extraordinary that wasn't obvious or there were sometimes if for example they felt actors who always too slow or too fast and delivery they would try to have you correct instead of them speaking to the actors and
[SPEAKER_03]: They only if there was an issue, would they ever give performance notes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's more about understanding what you've seen was about.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so that if I completely understood it, then I could communicate that to the actors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what number of track episode this would have been for you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Your tenth that you've directed, your twentieth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where this was in your track directing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Probably around ten.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did eighteen in total.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the enterprise was the pilot, which was two and then one each year.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was six.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this was one of my last DS lines before I left.
[SPEAKER_03]: So somewhere around there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was very familiar with Star Trek, obviously.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we had also with Michael, because I had done the two part of that started the season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Way of the warrior.
[SPEAKER_03]: I worked with him on top.
[SPEAKER_03]: and TNG so yeah yeah and to to Arman's question I I feel like because of your history they probably did you run cruise control they weren't like and you got to do this and that they kind of like do your thing at this point right I understood where we were and that that was one advantage and we they started using a lot of the same directors I think for that reason but I definitely spoke
[SPEAKER_05]: but the writers, this being a comedic episode, and the writers, you know, they're all good friends in mind, but I know that they had problems with me sometimes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did they say, okay, we need to arm and to, arm is not going to be as comedic as rawness.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that's what's a gift.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so did they tell you that, okay, when Armand does this or when Max does that or when Aaron does something else?
[SPEAKER_05]: Did they give you those kind of parameters as well?
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: No marching or anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: By then, but I did for the first DS line I directed.
[SPEAKER_03]: between damage.
[SPEAKER_03]: I spoke to pillar at length about you and your performance.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I told you he had me watch some old double indemnity and how quickly everybody spoke and I kept trying to, they wanted you to be like that and I kept talking
[SPEAKER_03]: It's sort of stuck, I think you just got there and stayed there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's where the teeth did make a difference.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was sometimes difficult to speak really quickly because of the teeth.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes when Ethan Phillips would talk fast on Voyager, his teeth would slip out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were in the middle of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would shoot like two feet out of his mouth.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they weren't super tight.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mine work.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mine never, if that never happened.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once they were in, they were in.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were easy to take out, but once they were in, they were in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I did use Fixed End as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, you did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think he used any of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just that thing fell out all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the time.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, well, this makes it end and forget about what's the commercial.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we go in the fringy shuttle.
[SPEAKER_04]: We see the inside of this shuttle.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love the design of the fringy shuttle.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's in great shape.
[SPEAKER_04]: Roms checking it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: He tells Quirk, he's got this shuttle.
[SPEAKER_04]: He could maybe go off on an adventure, just retire and rom can take over the
[SPEAKER_04]: the bar and I thought his delivery of that, trying to get Quark to leave was very funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: Max is great in this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're also great, but I think this is a bit pivotal for that character and it's a pivotal episode for Max.
[SPEAKER_05]: And for Aaron as well, because he's only in Starfleet.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, Quark says in the scene, he wants to take a test flight, ROM suggests Earth.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if Rom suggests it or if Quark is thinking it because he sort of leads him into the answer.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I forget how the dialogue went, but it's like they're both on the same page of, let's take this shuttle, go to Earth.
[SPEAKER_04]: Since Nag has to go there and they agree and Rom tells leaves to go tell Nag and then we finish with the Quark's comment about profit.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you've got a line where you say, all I ask is a tall ship and a load of contraband to fill with.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is that from?
[SPEAKER_05]: I know it's a quote.
[SPEAKER_05]: The tall ship is, and I don't know the source of the quote either, but I recognized it as a quote.
[SPEAKER_05]: I just didn't know where it was from either.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the contraband courses addendum to that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's the end of the change in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: All I ask is a tall ship in a load of contraband to fill it with.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a paraphrase of John May's field's famous poem, Sea Feaver, which includes the line.
[SPEAKER_00]: All I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: A star to steer her by, which is also the quote on the USS Defiance Dedication plaque.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know that?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The defiant has a plaque which says that has that quote.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is also quoted twice before by James D. Kirk in the original series episode the ultimate computer and on in Star Trek five the final frontier Kirk says there as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's a quote that has a long Star Trek history.
[SPEAKER_04]: It does.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's been just worth it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark gave it a little spin and perverted it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark perverted it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good example of something that they would have told me about at the tone meeting.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then when we're doing the scene, I would let, you know, I would, if they didn't know what was a quote.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember if you knew immediately or not?
[SPEAKER_05]: I knew that it was a quote because it was familiar, but I didn't know where it was from.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a nice button to the scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: We go to Quark's bar next and Quark is briefing more and on how to run the bar while he's gone, which again, we know that more is never going to respond.
[SPEAKER_04]: At this point, it's a soon.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of a running bit that he must be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, but we, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the alls of the bar thing, having him look after the bar, manage it, is we talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the end?
[SPEAKER_00]: One episode where it shows the alternate timeline future where DS nine, the bar is owned by Morn.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they tracked that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're still tracking that all the way through.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just love that they have this scene here, which kind of reinforces that other episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wrote was very good at that, about making connections with whether it was internally within this series or Star Trek things.
[SPEAKER_04]: It reminds me of Mike McMahon, honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Kind of the modern version of that would lead to Mike McMahon.
[SPEAKER_04]: is incredibly smart about connecting all the different shows in the... Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: The history of track.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas I'm Voyager, there was nothing connected.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, really.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't think we have much connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, you were on your own, so.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Morgan gets his marching orders and Otto appears.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's very suspicious, thinks that it's suspiciously generous of quirk to take nob to earth.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, I have a question for Jamie.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like later on, we've already given away the surprise that which shows up as a dog.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have a sudden appearance of Otto on the side.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did they suggest that was that your choice, Jamie, to isolate him in all of a sudden, there he is in the new shot?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it would be much worse.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was very good, exact.
[SPEAKER_05]: And again, it's part of the theme that he just shows up out of nowhere, which he will do later on in the show as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're on the promenade next and a great scene with Jake and Nog talking about all the time they spent in that specific little corner where they dangle their feet over the edge.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then that too is a reference to things in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, a reference to things in the past, and ever since they met, that was their little spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, this is kind of like a goodbye in a way for the two good friends because you got nog hitting off to Starfleet and you know, who knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, has it already been said that Jake is going to go to that school for writing?
[SPEAKER_05]: Or that was, it's been mentioned, but I don't know if it's been, it's concrete yet that he is going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't know that for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But still, uh, it's a nice growing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're growing up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's just, it's so, it's so cool to see a tall, uh, Jake and, and a, and a dog who's about to enter, Starfleet Academy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but at this point, we do have both Bashir and O'Brien show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bashir has a gift, uh, and he hasn't to dog knock opens it up, and it's like, it's basically a going away present.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and it's a path going away present where a brand is all the talking although the president's from the she has it's true that's true it was handed to okay well maybe it's a dual present from the two of them right so they're basically a couple anyway right so anyway so that the gift comes in
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a pad filled with all the history of Earth, like everything about how to, you know, the culture, the society, different types of, you know, everything about Earth that you would ever want to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all in there, yeah, customs history, everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a very nice gift for Nog.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I like when Nog asks, well, will this help me meet girls?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nog.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Girls would say earth girls.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who mon women?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who mon females?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: You mean it'll teach me how to attract human females?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very, very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jake offers to walk him to the airlock and they look back saying it was a good spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: The best.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice little touch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very nicely shot too.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so Jamie, you're dealing with a
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember exactly, but let's say, sixteen-year-old Sarak Lofton and a wonderful actor, who's older and Eisenberg.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you have, did you explain to them?
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you work with them?
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you give them any notes?
[SPEAKER_05]: If you remember, I mean, it's very touching, seeing very well done.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you give them any input into their relationship, or did they just come up with it by themselves?
[SPEAKER_05]: If you remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really remember, but it seems to me they were there.
[SPEAKER_03]: They knew what their relationship was.
[SPEAKER_03]: They wouldn't be rehearsing the scene in the trailer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they had found some moments themselves, so they had a relationship, and I think that's that they brought it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because it really is very sweet, very dear.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's very touching.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought you also did a couple things in the scene, Jamie, where you started sort of panning across the promenade, revealing and then tilting up to the spot where they hang out to their classic spot, their iconic spot.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought that was great because it's almost like their point of view in a way that became their shot.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we saw what they're taking in.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I just thought that the tone and the pace of it was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really liked, I don't know if it was the low angle on Aaron turned into an over to Jake, but I liked that low angle when he was talking to Miles and Bashir because it made Nog feel heroic.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's that classic superhero low angle, close up.
[SPEAKER_04]: that made Nog going off to the Academy feel it seemed very heroic in the way you framed it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I like that a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was a nice detail that you caught there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie regarding an Arman's comment about asking about directing this scene with the two boys.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you talk about how they had already been rehearsing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That must be a huge relief on the part of the director of any television episode when two characters are already locked in and you don't have to guide them or shepherd them and do any major corrections.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're just kind of again on cruise control, which is as long as they've rehearsed it properly, you know, sometimes as Robbie will know, you'll have actors involved working together and they come in and they do it for you when you go, oh well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they're sure you're familiar because I told you this couple times.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had that discussion in the way of the war here.
[SPEAKER_05]: I said where Jamie and I didn't see I die in a particular approach to a scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure I told you, I had a problem, Andy and I had a problem with the root piercing.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said who won?
[SPEAKER_05]: He said, oh, who won?
[SPEAKER_05]: We all won.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're in ops right now and we are watching we being Dex, Kira and Cisco and the audience are watching as corks shuttle leaves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dex makes the announcement the Frankie shuttle corks treasure has just departed the station.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a lovely title.
[SPEAKER_00]: What a lovely name for your shuttle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for your treasure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, very quick.
[SPEAKER_04]: See, we go inside the fringy shuttle next.
[SPEAKER_05]: And again, Kira is not says I wouldn't want to be anywhere.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't want to be on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not in the nonspredginess.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's Kira's pleasure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: It just has no fondness for the fringy.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a shame.
[SPEAKER_04]: Does she ever get any fondness for the fringy?
[SPEAKER_04]: No, you don't want to see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jamie, I have a, we haven't seen this show.
[SPEAKER_04]: We haven't seen this series.
[SPEAKER_04]: So everything's a spoiler.
[SPEAKER_04]: Silent can't tell me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Silent's is golden.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's move on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, not, not just studying about Earth's history on the pad that he was given.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark wants to go faster.
[SPEAKER_04]: Rom says that they could go faster.
[SPEAKER_04]: It won't risk the chemo site that he's smuggling.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Quark is busted.
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you know about the chemistry?
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you figure that out?
[SPEAKER_04]: ROM is very smart.
[SPEAKER_04]: He explains.
[SPEAKER_04]: He saw the weight differential and so when.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the beginning of we knowing that ROM has some brain power here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: He does say, I like when he says, works as what tip do you off?
[SPEAKER_04]: And ROM says, well, when I engage the impulse engines, I notice the ship's weight distribution was a little off.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the last time you went to waste extraction, waste extraction, yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Last thing we went to the bathroom.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's the first on Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_05]: No one has ever mentioned the bathroom on Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Waste extraction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie, now on when you have to go urinate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want you to say I got to go pee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to say I have to go waste extraction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Rome is very smart.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the beginning of Rome showing his cleverness about things.
[SPEAKER_04]: He busted Quark on the smuggling so he wants twenty percent.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now gets into the game as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Basically says it actually quark and thy chimmants of the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you want now?
[SPEAKER_04]: Nox says well, I'm not really Starfleet yet, so I don't have to report necessarily this violation.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll take ten percent.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they've made a deal who's getting the cut and they go faster heading to Earth.
[SPEAKER_04]: And as they approach Earth, Rome can't get this ship the shuttle out of warp.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's stuck.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark is panicking.
[SPEAKER_04]: Rome has a very sciencey and a very smart plan.
[SPEAKER_04]: which now his cleverness has turned into genius at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did a great job.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he had several of those kinds of speeches in this episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: And again, I remind you, he's got all those teeth that goes well off sideways coming up.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he's dealing with the voice that he's created for Ron as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, he has to do that too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he's got a great plan, which I will simply sum up as to say he's going to vent some plasma into the cargo hold with the chemo site, where the chemo site's being smuggled.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Quark says, I don't know what you just said, but whatever you're talking about, just do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm with Quark.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whatever he said, just do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I was very happy to hear the line.
[SPEAKER_05]: He said, Quark appears as, when did you get to be so smart?
[SPEAKER_05]: And he says, I've always been smart.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've always, I've just lacked self confidence.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's not just about us understanding
[SPEAKER_05]: his being smart, but also the beginning of ROM getting more and more self-confident.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is also the scene where I think quarks as all humans look alike, which made me laugh.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the bell riots.
[SPEAKER_04]: The bell riots, that's where Nog's reading about the bell riots.
[SPEAKER_04]: They try ROMs plan and the shuttle shakes kind of starts lighting up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quarks start screaming and then the ship disappears.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now, I start screaming, another director, not yourself, Jamie, but once said to me, we need you to be really scared here because you're the only character on the show that can do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not that I'm capable of doing it.
[SPEAKER_05]: The others were capable.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just this character was allowed to be afraid and get be fearful.
[SPEAKER_05]: Where are you again?
[SPEAKER_05]: Who knows if you can remember or not?
[SPEAKER_05]: But um, um, was that something that was needed for for for the episode for the forendy to get really panicky?
[SPEAKER_05]: Do you remember?
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember, well, speaking of, do you remember Jamie, do you remember the design of the Feringy shuttle?
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the first time we've seen kind of a Feringy shuttle, certainly this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you could see how limited my angles were.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it was the bareest of sets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it was very, just that cockpit area.
[SPEAKER_05]: And a very, very low ceiling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: I liked it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It had sort of nostalgic like vintagey touches to it, which I thought were really cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love the design.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I was watching, and I was thinking of Andor when he goes into the different shuttles and ships on Andor and I was thinking that they have a little bit bigger bunch of than we did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then wouldn't that have been a just a redress from maybe Grand Vegas's interior of his cockpit ship?
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe use everything else.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the shuttle disappears and suddenly we were in an observation room.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very different set design in this observation room.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can already see bits and pieces of a fan in the background.
[SPEAKER_04]: It looks like a very
[SPEAKER_04]: Love attack, love attack, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we see this is the reveal of the first cigarette lighting and the shadow on his face and the cigarette lighter lights it up.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that shot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very film noir, nineteen fifties, fifties, fifties.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was very cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it looks like we see through this observation room that looks like World War II era, we're already kind of in that
[SPEAKER_05]: and the lighting has changed.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is my only quibble with the episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: Most of the lighting is good, and I'm going to talk more about this later.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's to me, palpable, the lighting design for this, nineteen forty-seven, these nineteen forty-seven shots is radically different than the lighting for most of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could see that.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was.
[SPEAKER_05]: And did you not like that change?
[SPEAKER_05]: There are times I will tell you when when we get to it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But but it looks great here.
[SPEAKER_05]: It looks terrific here.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's purposeful and it's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's, it's a homage to, you know, things in the past.
[SPEAKER_05]: Absolutely perfect.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have a quibble later on, which I will get to hold on.
[SPEAKER_05]: Hold on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Definitely feels like this was Jonathan West, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it feels like he's trying to replicate those kind of, I don't want to say lower budget, but they're kind of flat lighting, the contrasty lighting of light and shadow.
[SPEAKER_04]: of the black and white versions of these movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: I felt like he was replicating that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think on that level, he was very successful.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very successful.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But the soldier calls the general, Wayne Wright calls the general.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wayne Wright is my friend.
[SPEAKER_04]: James James, Wayne Wright.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Which immediately I'm like, this guy looks familiar.
[SPEAKER_04]: It took me so long.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he's the mid-level guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a bad guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the bad guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's not the bad guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say, he's going to say,
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I just say Lieutenant General Denning, that name, it was the homage to the, the fifties films goes as deep as the character names also because that name was from the character, sorry, it was named after the actor Richard Denning from creature from the Black Lagoon and day to day.
[SPEAKER_00]: The world ended.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nurse Faith Garland was named after actress Beverly Garland who was in Swamp Woman
[SPEAKER_00]: It conquered the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: So all these, you know, they really went deep dive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, in terms of making everything, you know, influenced by the fifties movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: The shop hands over to a
[SPEAKER_04]: a calendar with Rita Hayworth, and we see that it's nineteen forty seven, so we definitely have made a time jump as quirk wakes up, quirk the Martian wakes up.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's an establishing shot of this base.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that the construction
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it was and then we brought in just the tail of an airplane.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a thing over it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's really just a tune.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you saw the plane in the emblem, the USA.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Jamie, so there's no wing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the back end of the fuselage.
[SPEAKER_00]: It worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It worked.
[SPEAKER_04]: It totally worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you put, you pasted that one graphic on of the old US Air Force looking logo, I guess, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: In the forties.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You did a great job of using, because I think that is the construction shop, which is literally fifty feet from the door of the promenade.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's right next to right next to.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we have many at lunch there.
[SPEAKER_05]: We have many at lunch there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it looked great.
[SPEAKER_05]: So ladies and gentlemen, that is a, that is your look at the paramount lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's one more when it's hanging around.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, there are others.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lovely night shot that I remember very fondly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the night shot looks great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that little corner of the lot, not only did it work beautifully to tell this story and it looked great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It looked like a military base.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it was literally fifty feet if that's where you're, you know, your main sets were.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's a blast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we cut back inside a whole team of military are staring at all our forendy who are now awake.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not for rangu's, it's for rangi.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's for rangi.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's for singular and plural.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the same.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's for the for rangi all three for rangi are awake.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I love this tracking shot that you did across the the faces of everyone is they're looking, Jamie, I thought it was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're smoking smoking and looking.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, since smoking, yeah, this is where the smoking really starts to take off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the scene where all of the humans are observing the Martians behind the one way mirror where they were smoking was a deliberate commentary.
[SPEAKER_00]: on the use of tobacco in the nineteen forties.
[SPEAKER_00]: Indeed, the studio paramount was originally against having anybody at all smoking in the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were like, no, we don't want this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I was even aware, stuck to his guns and he pointed out that they could not do an homage to the fifties beat movies without seeing the character smoke a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: He cites the nineteen fifties one salmon new field movie lost continent as taking cigarette smoking to an unprecedented extreme.
[SPEAKER_00]: According to Bear, you see smoking in fifties, movies, all the time from war movies to bug-eyed monster films, but continent, lost continent, took it to an art form that is just jaw-dropping to watch every time there's a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time there's a problem, everyone just starts handing out cigarettes.
[SPEAKER_04]: There we go if he's confident if you think back to even like game shows or talk shows back when I was a kid You'd watch you know Hollywood squares or something and you know in the late sixties early seventies and ever can't just go par yeah I remember directing in my guy there and one of the actors wanted to smoke and they wouldn't let him because that was when
[SPEAKER_03]: People stopped smoking and they didn't want to have TV shows promoting it before that.
[SPEAKER_03]: If I actually wanted to smoke for his character, oftentimes they would.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they just gave the acting what I worry about because they have to max though, when you take off.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it became a thing where the studios and the networks wanted no one to smoke.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I remember that transition from people smoking to not smoking.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this is a big thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that actor did not get to smoke on McGyver.
[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was very unhappy.
[SPEAKER_05]: I bet.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would imagine there's two reasons.
[SPEAKER_05]: One is the glorification of smoking, which I obviously Hollywood had promoted that for a long time, which we were just talking about.
[SPEAKER_05]: And two, as Jamie just pointed out, you have the continuity problems.
[SPEAKER_05]: You have to make sure that the cigarette is at the right length.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Which time you do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: We should almost never.
[SPEAKER_05]: We need to say.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: So far.
[SPEAKER_04]: and they start talking about the flanks, also they're crashed, and the retraction that they need to put in the paper about it just being a weather balloon.
[SPEAKER_04]: So immediately we realize, oh, they're talking about Roswell, we're starting to put this together, that this is Roswell.
[SPEAKER_05]: And do you know that story was only really, finally debunked in twenty twenty three?
[SPEAKER_00]: real.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did they say?
[SPEAKER_05]: They finally the Air Force came out and said, it's all, it was disinformation actually.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was disinformation.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were designed, they were just, I just read this the other day.
[SPEAKER_03]: They were designing stealth aircraft.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: We read the same article, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they were designing man-made, human-made aircraft weapons.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they didn't want the Russians or anyone else to know about.
[SPEAKER_05]: So instead, they created this story.
[SPEAKER_05]: The Air Force created this story that was in the early months.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was UFOs so that they would take the onus off of people looking at Roswell, where they indeed were testing these new aircraft.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did I get that right, James?
[SPEAKER_05]: Is that what you remember from the article?
[SPEAKER_03]: I just read a few days ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Me, too.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the nowhere in this episode do they say that this base is in New Mexico correct there they don't Yeah, they just say Roswell eventually not in this scene, but later on they do really they say that they're in Roswell
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I believe so.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that I think so too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, because a lot of the stuff evidently was moved from New Mexico to an Air Force base in Dayton, Ohio.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I thought this was taking place to that we were in Dayton, but okay, if they meant no, they lost their health and if they were going to bomb Cleveland Dayton would be very close.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they also talk about the
[SPEAKER_04]: later on that they are testing a nuclear bomb and that was all happening in New Mexico and Arizona and the Utah deserts.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, they would have to be in New Mexico here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Denning though turns on the general turns on the speaker to hear what the Martians are saying and we hear
[SPEAKER_04]: We hear some fringy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now how did this happen?
[SPEAKER_05]: First time I have a vague memory and I'm hoping Jamie remembers and I realize it's a long time ago, but I think we created that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think the actors created really the language and language.
[SPEAKER_05]: There may have been something in the script, but maybe we did some adlibs that were just that week.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I spent a long time and I haven't thought about it for years, but I think some of that was created by a student.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember though.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very hard when you add live to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take care to take care to take and have any consistency.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but, but on the other hand, Jamie, it's possible that we did it differently so that it wasn't consistent, but whatever take you used, whatever we came up with in that take, that's what they used.
[SPEAKER_05]: But I seem to remember that we made some language up, but it's a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, no, and never again, it's only in this episode, and never again.
[SPEAKER_05]: As we have universal translators, we don't ever have to speak.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I have a question about the English and the Faranghi as we move deeper, but I think that's interesting, the improving, the language.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I could buy that because it did seem like you guys were
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... speaking at a pace and in a way that it would have been hard to do that if you had been trying to memorize that you can see you guys all getting together and rehearsing rehearsing rehearsing yeah which is something yeah probably did that uh... in my house so yeah well we see through there through the the humans point of view the military's point of view that you're speaking for angry we hear through the speaker but when we cut inside to the room in the middle of this conversation suddenly
[SPEAKER_04]: We can understand now.
[SPEAKER_04]: The audience can understand what the friend you're saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they're basically saying, they don't know where they are.
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't know what happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark just wants to get out of here.
[SPEAKER_04]: He wants a shuttle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nog does mention he remembers an emergency landing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Quark thinks there's that they're on earth.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he yells to be let out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, which I thought and he's pulling on the door.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like that you were like hitting this light switch to see if that opened the door.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you were trying to slide the door sideways.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like doors.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just didn't know how this door was.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought was very funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: That feels like something you would have come up with, or, you know, as sure, but I think you're probably right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll take that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that's scripted, but all those details, it was good.
[SPEAKER_04]: And as he screaming, we cut back inside the observation room with the military and now we hear.
[SPEAKER_04]: Feringue again switches back to Feringue from their point of view.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the general denning says that the president has given them orders to try and talk to these Martians.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he turns to Carlson, the scientist says, you do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're elected.
[SPEAKER_05]: And what's wonderful of Fifties homage is he's a scientist.
[SPEAKER_05]: We don't know what science he's looking for.
[SPEAKER_05]: But because he's a scientist, he can do all sciences.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Scientist.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's only there because he's engaged to the nurse.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: This love stories.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they've got a dog in the scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love the dog in the scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: The dog was great, actually.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like a very well-trained dog.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why is there a dog in the scene before I remember doing exactly exactly?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, back with a Ferengi inside the exam room, they're arguing, they're blaming each other for the situation.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Rob, I love when Rob says, maybe we're dead.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe this is the divine treasure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And their financial aspect is hysterical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've never heard of this aspect.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no mention of divine treasure here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But before this, honestly, it's the first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because as amused as Jamie was by that scene, again, I was totally laughing my ass.
[SPEAKER_04]: So funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like quirks, quirks and responses.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, don't be ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_04]: The divine treasure is made of pure Latin.
[SPEAKER_04]: Besides, where's the blessed executor?
[SPEAKER_05]: And when are we going to bid on our, where we go exactly?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, why are we bidding for new lives?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a bid for your new life, I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great social commentary and really through, you know, which is what science fiction should be.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great social commentary.
[SPEAKER_04]: And hell is described as noxas, maybe we're in the vault of eternal destitution.
[SPEAKER_04]: For again, he says, no, don't be ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_04]: The bar was showing profit.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, so you don't go to hell for bad behavior.
[SPEAKER_04]: You go if you're losing money.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're bad businessman.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you would have.
[SPEAKER_05]: very funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: Actually, I wish during the course of the many years that followed that we had referenced that, you know, I have to do this, I have to save my soul.
[SPEAKER_05]: I have to do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's funny because DS nine has a lot of spirituality built into the show generally.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is a little taste of some Frankie spirituality, which I think would have been great to explore that more in future episodes.
[SPEAKER_04]: We do.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, we do.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's not a spoiler, that's just information.
[SPEAKER_04]: Information.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, the military come inside the exam room.
[SPEAKER_04]: They start trying to talk.
[SPEAKER_04]: And from the Frankie point of view, all they hear is gibberish.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is what I was going to ask you, Jim.
[SPEAKER_04]: For the humans, the human actors playing humans, it sounded to me like the audio was treated a bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it was, almost like it was played in reverse.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you remember?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because it seemed like the actors, not that they couldn't say gibberish in a sincere way, but it seemed like they were speaking English and the sound was almost like, like they took the audio and reversed each word or reversed each sentence or something because it was like, I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that effect.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Franky think the universal translators are broken because they're just hearing gibberish.
[SPEAKER_04]: They start hitting their heads where their universal translators are inside their implanted in their ears.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess the humans think this must be some.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tradition some greeting so the humans start hitting their heads which hurts funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the funniest part.
[SPEAKER_03]: A funny part of Star Trek that ever directed was that scene when it goes like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just so well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So instantly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So sincerely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look on their faces.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been so sincere.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just hysterical.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they had it harder than we did.
[SPEAKER_05]: We had the rubber head.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the rubber.
[SPEAKER_05]: They were actually hitting their heads.
[SPEAKER_00]: So possible concussion from one of the human actors trying to say, just back to the heaven and hell bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So hell for Frankies is the vault of eternal destitution.
[SPEAKER_00]: So is that something?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that a curse on Frank and R?
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll use instead of saying go to hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to the vault of eternal destitution to be absolutely gay.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's said in for Rangie and not in England.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because it's so long that it doesn't work as well as hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say the V-O-E-D, maybe I just an acronym.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to the V-O-E-D.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they're all bangin' their heads, trying to get the universal transit going.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Quark realizes they're just mimicking the forangue.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he goes over any squeezes his nose.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then that was me.
[SPEAKER_05]: That I that I do remember that really that was I I don't know what I was supposed to in the script or whether he was even indicated in the script, but I do remember going like that and then and I shouldn't have done that was a bad choice because you can you can actually see the rubber nose being squeezed Yes, so that was I should have chosen something else.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, it did look a little foamy when you do that
[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit like fun but it was still it was funny to see them mimic it though all of the squeezing their noses also robbing did you find it odd or interesting or amusing that the translator was located inside physically placed inside their head because that to me I had no clue
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no talk about universal translators and for any implanted planted.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they don't have a, you know, I get it, but it's still shocking because we haven't, we've never seen that before in any other episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to be other aliens.
[SPEAKER_04]: It made sense to me that this is how
[SPEAKER_04]: Every character now, I've never seen this explain this way before, but now I understand when they're taken prisoner and stripped to some alien clothing and they don't have their combat that they're still able to have an English scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: It makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's good they're implanted.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, quarks, weasers knows, and they mimic, and he thinks these humans are stupider than he even thought.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he thinks that three of them versus millions of these stupid humans is great odds for them.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's actually very happy to see how
[SPEAKER_04]: how childlike they seem to be.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the quote that I wrote down, I'd always heard that primitive humans lacked intelligence, but I had no idea they were this stupid.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so we're still in the exam room.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark is sitting there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And nurse Garland is checking his blood pressure.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like when she checks who blood pressure.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's super high.
[SPEAKER_04]: What does she say?
[SPEAKER_04]: Two fifty one over sixty seven.
[SPEAKER_04]: She says, if you were human, I'd say you were doing for a heart attack.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's very funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, very high blood pressure with a friend you have, I guess.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're under a lot of stress, mostly.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was about to stay.
[SPEAKER_04]: It makes sense that they have extremely high blood pressure.
[SPEAKER_04]: They watch as Ram is checking Nog's ear and the humans think that this is some kind of grooming ritual.
[SPEAKER_04]: They comment maybe their family and Quark is the mother, which is very funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very clever, but what even clever is
[SPEAKER_05]: It is family.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're suddenly recognizing that, not recognizing, but reminding the audience that they are family.
[SPEAKER_05]: A lot of, I mean, Quarko is a lot to Latin them, but he also is a lot to his family as to the others.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'd rather like that reference to great deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was nice.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think the Garland and
[SPEAKER_04]: What's his name, Carlson, that relationship is humanizing the humans in a way with their love story, with their attitude towards the fringy, you know, that there's good people here.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're already starting to feel that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I loved that they thought Clark was the mother of course.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was independent.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's quite as true.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, as we cut into the franky side of this conversation, Nog explains that humans have nuclear bombs, and maybe the radiation from their nuclear stuff, their explosions, is what's interfering with the translators.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that bit of information that Nog has picked up from his pad, his encyclopedia, on humans, and Earth is helpful here.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Ramsey's a hairpin with Nurse Garland, and he
[SPEAKER_04]: kind of gestures that he wants it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So she gives it to him.
[SPEAKER_04]: He uses it to reset knocks translator.
[SPEAKER_04]: And while he's doing that Carlson and Garland are discussing their wedding and they smoke a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lots of smoking in the scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like when Carlson lights two cigarettes in his very bow guard.
[SPEAKER_05]: Very bow guard.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not done very well, but not done very well.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it was a good attempt.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, just a bit of trivia about that conversation about the nuclear testing going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as we know later in the episode, they head towards Nevada, but it is incorrect.
[SPEAKER_00]: in terms of actual history, in nineteen forty seven, there were no nuclear tests in Nevada at that time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the only atomic tests that we're going on were the it was over at the bikini bikini islands at all in the middle of the ocean.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's where it was happening, but not anywhere near New Mexico.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I wonder because the early tests were Nevada.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that started, but that early test didn't start until nineteen fifty one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when they're using the vada.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the vada.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first test was in New Mexico when they developed the bomb first place.
[SPEAKER_04]: They developed the bomb and then they went to Nevada and then they went to the Pacific.
[SPEAKER_04]: Was that sort of moving further away?
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I think I think that bikini test was a hydrogen bomb as opposed to an atomic bomb.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because I think I think that's correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the notes I have that all atomic testing that that was conducted in the forties were being conducted at the Pacific proving ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Nevada proving ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, it's been until, yeah, until January of nineteen fifty one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then Jamie talked about that there was actual testing in New Mexico as well before nineteen four nineteen four nineteen forty four nineteen forty first and not the mom.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're first and forty
[SPEAKER_03]: I've met you so often I'm right to the center, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, in the scene where they're smoking, we also clocked that Quark is disgusted by the smell and Nog talks about tobacco and how it's poison, but people buy it.
[SPEAKER_04]: They actually pay for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Quark sees a lot of profit in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to have Quark become addicted to cigarettes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, thank God he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't smoke it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be horrible for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I like to think sort of clock this that they start talking about the poison and court thinks it's it's a great opportunity to make some money.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nog says do not get involved.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do not change the timeline.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do not mess up what's going to happen in our timeline.
[SPEAKER_04]: Otherwise there won't be maybe a quarks.
[SPEAKER_04]: There won't be a station.
[SPEAKER_04]: There won't be
[SPEAKER_04]: a federation that could change everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's just a reminder that these, you know, these time travel episodes have consequences.
[SPEAKER_05]: They do.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I actually rather like quarks response to dogs like.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Which is I can make it better.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that I thought about that for a second one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That makes perfect logic for him.
[SPEAKER_05]: It would be better for us, and not just us, our family unit, but for all, for Renky.
[SPEAKER_05]: We would have technology far ahead of the time.
[SPEAKER_05]: We could be a bigger power in the cosmos.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I thought, yeah, why stick to the history that you have, if you can make it better.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I thought that was a nice way of looking at the timeline that you couldn't make it better.
[SPEAKER_05]: But then anyway, worse for others,
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But in the end, it would be better.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we don't also have stories that talk about timelines that way.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's always a terrible thing to destroy the time chain.
[SPEAKER_05]: But this would be better.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now I'm going to talk about lighting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_05]: The flat lighting that is that is a kind of graphic for these for the period, for the period is beautiful for everybody, but for ranking.
[SPEAKER_05]: In the sense, if you look at the episode, all of a sudden I'm seeing all the flaws in the makeup, all the things that I never ever see in any other episode.
[SPEAKER_05]: I see the seams, I see the dimples in the makeup, I see where our makeup artists have colored it and put lines in.
[SPEAKER_05]: I see things that normally I don't see
[SPEAKER_05]: because of the lighting.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'm
[SPEAKER_05]: a little upset because you're drawing back the curtain for the audience and showing them, you know, this is how we make the art.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's a disappointment.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know what you could have done to keep the iconographic lighting and still kept the work of the makeup artist's secret.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's my problem with the lighting in these scenes.
[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't bump me, but I
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know the makeup on, so you're much more hyper aware of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: There are, I mean, you can see where the, where the same is between the prosthetic and my mouth.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's not just the forangue, I thought, I thought, I thought, Odo's, Odo is another scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was like, wow, you can really see that it's a piece of plastic on his head.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not plastic, it's foam rubber, but you can see that.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I thought, at the same time,
[SPEAKER_05]: I thought the lighting for the period is perfect.
[SPEAKER_05]: Perfect, essential, grand, terrific.
[SPEAKER_05]: Would have been terrible without it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But what's there a way to do both?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if there was.
[SPEAKER_03]: These days it would be easy to do with CGI.
[SPEAKER_03]: The back then probably not under the time circumstances we had.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we probably shot nine pages a day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Eight.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it was a lot of work.
[SPEAKER_04]: He had to move fast and I think you're right, Jim.
[SPEAKER_04]: You could clean a lot of this up very easily in simple CGI or color timing and things like that now, but not then.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: To support your point though, Armin, I know for, and this may be for actors who play heavy prosthetic characters.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know Ethan Phillips was very protective of Neelix on
[SPEAKER_04]: on our show on Voyager and he didn't want to have like if I took photos when his costume was off and you saw the t-shirt underneath and his all that was out he'd say just make sure you don't share that I don't want the fans seeing looking behind the curtain and he's all still to this day he thinks very protective of making neelix feel authentic as authentic as possible so it may be something
[SPEAKER_04]: that only someone like you could experience that sort of protective, I got to protect this.
[SPEAKER_05]: I got to watch out for these things that are undermining the... And I will give you another take on this.
[SPEAKER_05]: How many, and I'm being pejorative here because it happens to both males, to women and men, but how many female actors?
[SPEAKER_05]: have come rushing back and saying I don't like my makeup.
[SPEAKER_05]: This has to be fixed.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wanted to look this way.
[SPEAKER_05]: That is not infrequent in our business.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's really quite the same thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: We want to appear as we want to appear in our best light.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as much as you love this episode, and this is the, with these are one of the things that, that it always, it's always going to bug you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always going to be underneath going like, okay, there's a little, there's a little bit of a pebble in my shoe right now that I can feel it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: You watch this show under there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did it bother me then?
[SPEAKER_05]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you watch every week?
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you watch the show?
[SPEAKER_05]: I did, sure.
[SPEAKER_05]: Good.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I watched it for different reasons.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I'll tell you the primary reason I watched, maybe it's the same for the other two guys here.
[SPEAKER_05]: I watched it to see what I did right when I did wrong.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if I did something wrong, not to do that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was educational.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was always, it was, yes, I was interested in the show and what everybody did.
[SPEAKER_05]: but being the actor in the show, that choice didn't work.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't do that again.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that works good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let's do that again.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, let's use that if we can.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's the same thing when you look at your shows, Jim, I'm sure you're looking at the performances and the lighting and the costume and the makeup, but you're also looking at the camera angles.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did that work?
[SPEAKER_05]: Did that not work?
[SPEAKER_05]: What do I do better the next time?
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a process.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's very admirable that you're watching the show is really to make cork a better character for the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't we all do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: We all tried to make our character.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say the vast majority of TV actors that I've worked with never watched the show they were in.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's, forgive me, stupid.
[SPEAKER_05]: How do you learn from your mistakes?
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure Robbie, if you're one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you not learn from your stay with you?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's all right with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: For those of you who are listening, Robbie just covered his face with both of his hands like that in embarrassment.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I, you were scared of family with kids and then kids were, we're all over the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm going to argue with our, for robbing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did find myself if I wasn't shooting fifteen, seventeen hours a day, wanting to spend my time with my kids and, you know, go to do those events.
[SPEAKER_05]: Understandable, understandable, but for me who doesn't have children and had the time to do it, it was a, it was an educational process.
[SPEAKER_05]: How do I make this better?
[SPEAKER_05]: If I don't make it better,
[SPEAKER_05]: then I'm not doing my job one, and two, I'm not intriguing the writers to do something better for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also, sometimes actors would watch their show and get pissed off at the choices that were made by the producers in terms of takes or performance or scenes cut.
[SPEAKER_03]: It becomes quite traumatic for actors, so make sort of learn to not do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't have that kind of ego.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've seen it in others, but I don't have that kind of ego.
[SPEAKER_05]: But after I presented my performance, you deal with it as you should, as your choice, your choice.
[SPEAKER_05]: But for me, when I'm there, I want to give you the best performance I can possibly give within the parameters of what they've given me.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, next scene, we go outside the building back to the construction warehouse or the military base in our story.
[SPEAKER_04]: Everybody smoking again, they're looking at photographs of the shuttle.
[SPEAKER_04]: They can't figure out how it flies.
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't understand how the engines work.
[SPEAKER_04]: We do see the dog again, the dogs.
[SPEAKER_04]: Problems around.
[SPEAKER_04]: Should have gotten guest art billing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Should have been a bad agent.
[SPEAKER_04]: They do talk about how they do, they think they have a language.
[SPEAKER_04]: They haven't been able to talk yet, but they're picking up that they must have a language.
[SPEAKER_04]: They don't talk telepathically.
[SPEAKER_04]: They have a verbal audio language, audible language like humans.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Garland appears and says, hey, I think you better come inside the right away.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we go inside.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yes, they do have a language.
[SPEAKER_04]: The translator's working.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they can talk to each other for the first time and Quark says he's got a business proposition.
[SPEAKER_05]: But he enhances his title.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, first.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's the chief, the CFO of the Ferringi Alliance.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's got business to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the fact that we didn't talk about this, but the whole reason why their universal translators are not working is because of all the nuclear fit, the fallout that this plan has engaged in, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't talk about that, did we?
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a great tool of the writers to put that in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very smart.
[SPEAKER_05]: Besides the comedy, they were putting in social commentary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm the radar.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you watch it a third, fourth time, it becomes clear to you.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I wrote actually said that, you know, I mean, if you talk about the commentary about atomic testing and also nicotine, that he felt like he hit the nose to on the head with the nicotine that he wished is he would have pulled back a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was too much like bad, bad, bad smoking, you know, where he didn't want to
[SPEAKER_00]: do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's because you have the comic relief.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't think it's that bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's just right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we're back in the observation room.
[SPEAKER_04]: Denning's trying to look in his ear to see if there's a translator.
[SPEAKER_04]: You can't see it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Corx says it's there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Trust me.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the one time they asked me once.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure I've said this before, but one of the problems with wearing the makeup is that the heads made us slightly deaf who couldn't hear very well.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they once said to me,
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, if you want it really truly here, we can fix it so that we put a hole in the prosthetics where the ears are.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then, and you, so you could hear, and I said, how much extra time would that be in the makeup chair?
[SPEAKER_05]: And Karen, my makeup artist said, probably about forty, forty, five minutes.
[SPEAKER_05]: So better to be deaf.
[SPEAKER_05]: But when they were examining the ears, I thought, eh, we should have probably seen a hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, he's looking hard.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Corx says, you know, I'm here to open up trade negotiations with humans in Ferengi.
[SPEAKER_04]: They talk about things that they could trade, technology, things like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Denning's really interested in the weapons.
[SPEAKER_04]: Once, once weapons come up.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's very interested in that, but he can't authorize it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Quark mentions the Russians.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're actually, he implies, we'll talk to another nation's state, and I think Denning says, you mean the Russians?
[SPEAKER_04]: Then Quark Smart, he jumps right on that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the Russians, Denning says, oh, oh, well, it'll take some time to get approval.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Quark says, no rush, take your time, and he offers some free advice at this point.
[SPEAKER_04]: He says, take better care of yourself, the tobacco, the atom bombs, they're going to kill you, which I
[SPEAKER_04]: I liked the balance of social commentary here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you gave them something free, Armin.
[SPEAKER_04]: Free advice.
[SPEAKER_05]: Free is worth.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a rule of acquisition.
[SPEAKER_05]: Free advice and an empty sack is worth the price of the sack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm with that rule.
[SPEAKER_04]: Next, we go into the exam room.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's nighttime, Carlson and Garland are there while they discuss naked-for-in-ぎ-women.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nagas for another ear massage.
[SPEAKER_04]: He says, oh my ear.
[SPEAKER_04]: Really need another one of those massages.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's called Bumox.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bumox.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Bumox.
[SPEAKER_05]: Which quacks?
[SPEAKER_05]: Which?
[SPEAKER_05]: is a Quarker Nog.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think it's Quarker says in the forenghi language.
[SPEAKER_05]: You hear the Stankly Thord.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark returns.
[SPEAKER_04]: He interrupts this Umak's moment.
[SPEAKER_04]: He wants to talk privately to his fellow forenghi.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you shouldn't look to Nog?
[SPEAKER_00]: Once you see that he's what he's getting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You give him a bit of a stern look.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he starts to fill them in.
[SPEAKER_04]: And as he's beginning to fill them in, this is when the dog morphs into Odo, which is shocking to all of us because, but it's made you forgot.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: He says he came along because he knew Quirk was up to something.
[SPEAKER_04]: Odo says he knows where the ship is, and he says he knows it can fly.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's also putting him under arrest though, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he says when he morphs into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says you're under arrest for chemisite.
[SPEAKER_04]: More cleverness and genius from Ram where he says, well, if there's a powerful energy source and with the chemicide, maybe we can trigger the same temporal reaction that brought him.
[SPEAKER_04]: into this timeline.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but this is where Quarks says, no, he wants to stay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to go back.
[SPEAKER_04]: If I can run, you know, trade on the entire planet, I can be richer than the grand-negas.
[SPEAKER_04]: Life will be good.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's happy to stay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, Odo says, you're not staying.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're going back and the ship will be ready in six hours.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're going to be on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he morphs back into the dog.
[SPEAKER_04]: Another tiny quibble from me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I always, all right, really things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whenever
[SPEAKER_04]: time clocks get put on things without like why does the auto need six hours to get if the ship's ready to fly just take them right now anyway that that was a little one that I thought
[SPEAKER_04]: unless what I thought should have happened in this scene is, oh, we need a powerful energy source.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, maybe the nuclear thing, oh, there's a nuclear test in six hours.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, six hours, we're gonna meet, we're gonna go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: That would have helped me, but it felt very arbitrary in this moment to say, six hours from now, you're gonna be on the ship.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why?
[SPEAKER_05]: Why?
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, if they ended it there, we were missing Jamie more than anybody would understand.
[SPEAKER_05]: She missed twenty minutes of shoot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got to, we've got to push it.
[SPEAKER_05]: We've got to push it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, well, back outside the building, Denny arrives in a Jeep.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love the Truman joke in here where he says that piano piano.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's not as dumb as he looks.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was a nice political joke in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: The president's basically said we get to learn a lot more about them before we'll make a deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Wayne Wright, my buddy,
[SPEAKER_04]: Jean McDonald's is going to go in and talk to him.
[SPEAKER_04]: So off he goes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Inside the exam room, Ron is nervous here.
[SPEAKER_04]: He says he does quote from the Franky book of acquisition, something about new customers can be dangerous.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is he saying?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they can bite you in the ass.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, new customers are like razor tooth, gray worms.
[SPEAKER_04]: They can be succulent, but sometimes they bite back.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like that rule of acquisition, and I've razor-toothed greenworms sound disgusting, but to Feringue I guess there.
[SPEAKER_04]: succulent and delicious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Robert, your friend, the guest star who played Wayne Wright, he would have been filming right when we were filming Voyager.
[SPEAKER_00]: So your funny was literally twenty feet away from you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't even know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the funny thing about Star Trek that is so different than any other show I've ever done is here we are talking thirty years later.
[SPEAKER_04]: and most shows you do a show you might stay in touch for a little while but people go off into their their other shows and make new friends and move on and so yeah Jim James McDonald was like one of those guys like we really hit it off we could have you know hung out and stayed good friends but life takes you different paths and
[SPEAKER_05]: But the great thing about actors as a community, it's probably true of everybody, but there can be a long period of separation.
[SPEAKER_05]: If the moment you reconnect, it's as though time has vanished.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well said.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now we're in the interrogation room.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark has tied up in a chair.
[SPEAKER_04]: He says he's going to take his business to the Russians and they want to know what he knows about the Russians.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is where Megan Gallagher prepares a truth serum shot the old squeeze the the syringe and
[SPEAKER_04]: Poison comes out.
[SPEAKER_05]: Do we go back?
[SPEAKER_05]: I think I'm right about this.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think the scene where Quark talks to General Denning about what he can offer.
[SPEAKER_05]: Have we done that yet?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: So let me go back and reference that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure it's spoken then.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was one of my happiest moments during the seven years, Jim.
[SPEAKER_05]: That speech that they gave me was so delicious, not only what it said, but the length of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was, it was to me, almost Shakespearean in, in what it had to say in the length of it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And, and, and the way you move me around, I think it was probably you, uh, move me around the, the, the, the, the set, um,
[SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed that's one of, when I look back on my ears in deep space, nine, that moment was one of the most enjoyable acting moments that I ever had.
[SPEAKER_05]: Whether it was successful or not for the episode that I can't tell you, but for me personally, it was a personal joy.
[SPEAKER_05]: When I look back on the seven years, that's at the forefront of the memorable moments.
[SPEAKER_04]: What was a great scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm looking at it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I went back and I'm looking at it now because you start talking about, you know,
[SPEAKER_04]: I've been sent by my people to open up a market for advanced foreign technology.
[SPEAKER_04]: What kind of technology?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, how would you like to travel beyond the stars?
[SPEAKER_04]: It wasn't just a list.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was selling in a poetic way.
[SPEAKER_04]: What Star Trek is all about?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_05]: Robbie, that's one of the things I liked about it.
[SPEAKER_05]: I who was always a big Star Trek fan was advocating all the glories that Star Trek offers its audience.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, these are military things, but these are all things that the writers over the course of many years had come up with.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I could regurgitate them up in this speech.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I found that to be enormously delicious.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the movement you talked about.
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_04]: I noticed that, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_04]: The way that you let him work the space and work the room and sell these ideas coming at the camera as he's building up, you know, an idea.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: And connecting, connecting things.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it wasn't just talking head standing still and cutting back and forth.
[SPEAKER_04]: You allowed the actors to use the space and use the
[SPEAKER_04]: bounce off of each other in the way it was staged in a great way.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was really good.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, if I may, thank you, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're welcome.
[SPEAKER_03]: Glad to have been part of one of your favorite scenes.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're part of another one, but you're also part of this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would mean that Jamie is one of your favorite directors then.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, that's that, together.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, he's a terrific director.
[SPEAKER_05]: And he makes a set feel very comfortable.
[SPEAKER_05]: He has good ideas, he's quiet, but authoritarian, it's a threat, we're authoritarian.
[SPEAKER_05]: So it's a fair tape, thank you.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're authoritarian, but authoritarian.
[SPEAKER_05]: And so you feel you're in good hands.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know that you're being taken care of.
[SPEAKER_05]: And certainly over the several episodes that I did with him, he was one of my favorites.
[SPEAKER_05]: And as a human being, he's a terrific guy as well.
[SPEAKER_05]: And one hell of a golfer I understand.
[SPEAKER_05]: the tennis player.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll add one more adjective.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say calm calm as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my that's my close adjective to your quiet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say calm when I think of Jamie.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We come back from commercial break.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cork is screaming.
[SPEAKER_00]: We find out this is now five shots of sodium pentatothal of true serum that has been put into a system.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't even know what sodium pentatothal does the pharyngees.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's clearly painful.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't get the desired effect.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's not telling the truth about anything at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is when doesn't, doesn't, no, take the, take the, the ratio here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He jumps in and says, well, let's just give him what he wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, yes, we're here to invade you.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're part of this massive attack force.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all, all these ships are waiting in orbit right now to come and get you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, Wayne writes just eating this up.
[SPEAKER_00]: He loves it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, oh, this is fabulous.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is exactly what we thought of.
[SPEAKER_00]: They talk about a landing zone of where this is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to get untied to show him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Nog points over at one of the great lakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, he points at one of the great lakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes right here by the blue blob, which is one of the great lakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then if Wayne Wright says, you mean Cleveland?
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, no, no, no, not Cleveland, right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when Nagelbo's win right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the melee begins where they knock everybody out and they start the escape.
[SPEAKER_05]: Credits to Aaron Eisenberg.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a lot of wonderful moments that he has as Nag.
[SPEAKER_05]: This, I thought, you know, this is another side of Nag that you haven't seen.
[SPEAKER_04]: And his comic timing on delivering his lines is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was really great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good, good laughs in the scene.
[SPEAKER_05]: And of course, Brahms screaming Moogie, which is his... When I have gone to conventions with Max, invariably the audience asks him to scream Moogie.
[SPEAKER_05]: He does it well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_04]: He may be smart, he may be a genius, but he's not.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's in my way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he loves his mom.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so there's the melee and at the end of this, Garland and Carlson end up helping them and taking out the last two guards that came in the room.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we see that they're taking a risk here.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're switching to the Varangu side of things and they help them escape out of the room.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is also my sort of a fifty sci-fi trope too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'd love the, one of the final scenes, when they're escaping Carlson says, he goes, the ship, come on, your ships and hangar eighteen, which again, Jamie directed, hangar eighteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just love the fact that there's a little bit of, you know, homage to.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Jamie's involved with the hangar eighteen there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we go outside.
[SPEAKER_04]: Carlson sends the guards off.
[SPEAKER_04]: as they run in the wrong direction into the building.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark and our heroes come running out.
[SPEAKER_04]: And as they run past, the general stops them with a couple other guards.
[SPEAKER_04]: Guns are drawn.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quark pretends to have a disintegrating death ray.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has finger, which I love.
[SPEAKER_04]: These points at it, Garland.
[SPEAKER_04]: Stay back, or I'll disintegrate the hostage.
[SPEAKER_04]: with the finger, he says, with your finger.
[SPEAKER_04]: I get the right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Looks a lot like a finger to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right then, the spare wheel on the Jeep is what morphs into Odo, who knocks out the two MPs.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is where I thought he came out of thin air.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure that by the time it caught my attention, it looked like it was just coming out of thin air.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I catch the wheel.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure there was a shot that tied them together, but there was probably
[SPEAKER_03]: coverage that didn't make my, we may have chosen to not show the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Auto appears.
[SPEAKER_04]: He knocks out the guards with Denning Quark.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love Quarks line.
[SPEAKER_04]: My hero.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who's that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Who's he?
[SPEAKER_04]: My hero.
[SPEAKER_05]: And you know, my relationship with Renee was very special.
[SPEAKER_05]: So that was from the heart.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's not acting.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's from the heart.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was very sweet.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now we see the Jeep driving to the hanger.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh, hangry teen where the ship is.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just have to say in the background.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's the alley between the construction building and what is that stage where your promenade was?
[SPEAKER_04]: What was that same stage?
[SPEAKER_05]: Uh, I think it's between, we were on, uh, nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine nine
[SPEAKER_04]: So stage seven's on the left-hand side of the frame, the construction buildings on the right-hand side of the frame.
[SPEAKER_04]: In the background is where our makeup trailers were parked.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's right where my trailer, behind the deep driving at us would have been where my trailer should have.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then our stage was right there in the offices outside.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that moment I was like, oh, a little nostalgia for me because that's been a lot of time there.
[SPEAKER_05]: Now just an anecdote, it was late in the day, obviously it's dark.
[SPEAKER_05]: We'd called piled into this Jeep and we had to do several takes.
[SPEAKER_05]: I can't remember why, but we had to do several takes of the Jeep coming forward and we got a little punch drunk.
[SPEAKER_05]: Not liquor, but just we were just tired.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And we just started singing in the trailer.
[SPEAKER_05]: I remember we all just
[SPEAKER_05]: just being full, singing, and just waiting, waiting for Jamie to say action.
[SPEAKER_05]: We were just, you know, because you drive up, and then you have to drive up, and then you have to drive back.
[SPEAKER_05]: As we just began singing songs and making, and just goofing off and stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was just funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was, it was delightful.
[SPEAKER_05]: That evening was delightful.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_04]: That sounds like a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sounds like a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they pull up to hangar eighteen, which is the backside of the construction warehouse.
[SPEAKER_04]: They need to go to the next nuclear bomb test.
[SPEAKER_04]: We learned at five a.m.
[SPEAKER_04]: Rom starts to try to explain this to the scientists and quarks as savior breath.
[SPEAKER_04]: And as they run inside, Garland has a nice little moment where she's very hopeful.
[SPEAKER_04]: Actually, there's still there.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Garland is very hopeful that humans will travel to the stars someday and maybe in the alliance.
[SPEAKER_04]: And take its place in a vast alliance of planets.
[SPEAKER_04]: She says, wrong character.
[SPEAKER_04]: Federation of planets.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's when Garland's like, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Quarks is, don't pay any attention to him.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's an idiot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked when Ron says Federation of Planets that Quark chimes in.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could have been the Farrangie for Federation of Planets.
[SPEAKER_00]: He listened to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then another trope of the period here where Carlson's comment to her noble idealistic optimistic view of the future.
[SPEAKER_04]: Carlson's comment is, oh, a vast alliance of planets.
[SPEAKER_04]: You get the craziest ideas.
[SPEAKER_04]: Girls.
[SPEAKER_05]: such a yes yes and the kiss for the kiss yeah I don't know what Megan did but she flounced into the Jeep which to me really echoed the period of the fifties she just sort of
[SPEAKER_05]: flouched in.
[SPEAKER_05]: She jumped in.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, what is she didn't judge?
[SPEAKER_05]: What is she flouched?
[SPEAKER_05]: She just sort of hopskipped and jumped into the, which seemed to me, when I looked at that just the way she got into the Jeep, she comes down, she takes a couple steps and then she steps into the Jeep and she flounces in and she adjusts her skirt by the way.
[SPEAKER_05]: And she fits the period.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it was just like that.
[SPEAKER_05]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... we go back over to where the general was uh... wain right uh... some of the guards are showing up as the ship flies away so you had a nice interactive light on them as the shithead and bumps in the wall what was that that that that i'd really that that was the right that was a visual effect that it looked great when the ship came out of the roof i thought yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it looked really good uh... wain right says what are we going to do now and then he says uh...
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you talking about all we ever found was a weather balloon.
[SPEAKER_04]: So classic Roswell mythology there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Inside the fringes to shuttle, they're racing towards the bomb site.
[SPEAKER_04]: We cut outside, we see them flying over the desert and a great sort of stock footage combo of a nuclear mushroom cloud as they fly into it back inside the shuttle.
[SPEAKER_04]: A nice interactive light on them.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're inside that nuclear test.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a bit of trivia here, Glenn Newfield, the visual effects supervisor, seasons one through four on DS nine, located and original negative of the footage of the nuclear detonation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And cleaned it up substantially for this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is actual footage of a nuclear bombing detonated in the desert.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, look, it looked to me like they had kind of
[SPEAKER_04]: mashed up a few different elements but it was it looked great outside in space we see it come back into the our stories current timeline and we cut inside they made it they do get a hail which they're thrilled about getting a hail means they're back in the right timeline and it's or earth's orbital control calling them and they're going to tractor them and get them a docking bay take them to a docking bay now it's going to make it to the academy quirk is still
[SPEAKER_04]: grumpy about all that property lost.
[SPEAKER_04]: He says humans are still a bunch of savages underneath.
[SPEAKER_04]: We cut to DS nine.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think this is our final scene, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: They're at an airlock, ramen cork, or heading out, talking about being back home.
[SPEAKER_04]: They step onto a lift and suddenly auto grabs cork.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's under arrest for smuggling.
[SPEAKER_04]: core tries to get out of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't have any evidence.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's all burned up in the time jump all that all the what was that you were smuggling again.
[SPEAKER_04]: Game of sight.
[SPEAKER_04]: Game of sight all burned up.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't have the evidence.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Odo says, tell that to the arbiter and drags him out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I liked your physicality, the comedy you've got.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like the hook on stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you did that, Armin.
[SPEAKER_00]: But your body was sort of leaning in this crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just yeah, this was very, the blocking was fabulous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then it ends in a bit of a sentimental note with a ROM, a private moment with sentimental.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the last thing that he was sent in battle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Really?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, he's treachery.
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you want to take over the bar?
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, after that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, he wants to take over the bar.
[SPEAKER_04]: But after he's gone, it feels like ROM is very proud of himself.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's proud of his son.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like there was a moment non-scripted.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: And what you see is him proud of himself.
[SPEAKER_05]: I said, Jamie seems to agree with me.
[SPEAKER_05]: He's going to take over the bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't see the take.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I saw was he was, he was actually enjoying the fact that you were being detained and arrested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like something was happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and that he was like, I made some TV.
[SPEAKER_05]: He was caught in the future, which was I'm going to take over this game over the bar for a few weeks.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's all mental.
[SPEAKER_04]: I saw a halt the whole story for Ram.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a hero moment.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what episode you would watch.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's made a lot of smart decisions.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's going to have the bar for a few weeks.
[SPEAKER_04]: Life is good.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was very happy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ram has to get rid of Norm.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like robbing utopian take on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the fact that you're like, it's beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fabulous episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a great episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations, Jamie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks for inviting me to join.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is really fun walking back through it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we do need to talk about the theme.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the lesson that we get from this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: What would that be, Robbie McNeill for you?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the lesson?
[SPEAKER_04]: My lesson for this episode is there's always good somewhere if you look for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that to me, the lesson came out of going back in time, there were a lot of criticisms of Earth and
[SPEAKER_04]: But there's always good, I think Carlson and Garland, those two characters, kind of showed up as the good in humanity.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's... I like it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, and also I saw that in Rome, I saw there's potential that if you look for it, there's potential everywhere if you look for it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's the better lesson.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, glasses have full for you on this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Armin, what is your lesson for this episode?
[SPEAKER_05]: My lesson is I should write down what the theme of this episode is.
[SPEAKER_05]: because I'm looking at my paperwork and there's no mention anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know what the theme is.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you guys say, we'll be fine, man.
[SPEAKER_05]: Shit, Jamie, did you want to chime in?
[SPEAKER_00]: You have a lesson, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would just say that the most naive characters in the piece had the most profound things to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes wisdom comes from unexpected places.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what is that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the, that was a good one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, mine was, uh, I had a couple.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had one was, um, the truth was that you free, uh, literally because it was, uh, you know, I think it was, was it wrong?
[SPEAKER_00]: Rob's the one that sort of said, you know, it was an accident.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I have.
[SPEAKER_00]: And essentially, him telling the truth, I think is what put, um, the nurse and the scientist on their side in a way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, oh, these guys are, so that is ultimately what ended up setting them free.
[SPEAKER_00]: changing the tide of, you know, or at least having someone on their side.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that came from telling the truth and not telling a lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: The also, my other theme is, I just, because it sounds catchy, that it's important to collaborate to reunificate.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is that a word?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to get reunification with the current timeline of what they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Collaboration provides reunification.
[SPEAKER_00]: are mine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our Patreon poll winner for the theme slash lesson moral of this episode as submitted by snazzyo or snazzy zero, is that a zero or no, Robby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, snazzy who knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Never trust cousin Gala.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good lesson.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a good lesson.
[SPEAKER_00]: We like that.
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