[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, welcome to Bend the knee as long as I inspire podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am Serbant.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm Sir Jimmy House.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's welcome to our song by Sir Firebook Club.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today we are into brand or?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing Raven's stage, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're doing Ravens.
[SPEAKER_00]: I read the doc.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I read the teleprompter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should have changed the doc.
[SPEAKER_01]: I should have changed the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're doing Ravens today, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy literally might have just got laid up work like two seconds ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easier.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know where it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're just flying up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just flying like a Raven.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're flying like a Raven today.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd ask how you do, but he just got this email that says, hey, laying off ten percent of your people, so we'll have to see what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'll find out how the old six leg parlay works out for me, and this, you know, get your promo code Ben BTK at draft Kings.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do actually have a, we do have some sort of sponsor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not remember who it is, but it's because we don't even, we didn't get it read mad for it, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not Kings Road, is it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Kings Road, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was really hoping at some point we would be sponsored by the Sydney Swiny Bathwater, but Bath soap, whatever, but man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if our is our listener base is is that with their into?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shout out the Sir Matthew Perry.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, you know, I think people are sleeping on how important that thing is going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of people look at it as a joke, but I think about the type of people that are actually going to be using that are going to be the Sydney Sweeney baths.
[SPEAKER_01]: So think about I mean, seriously, for a second, think about the type of people that are going to be like, yeah, I don't want to think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying you're talking about like, I mean, you know, that's like literally like mom's basement type of type of guys that are going to be using it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably people who don't have great hygiene, it could literally do wonders for the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: It may kill big pharma.
[SPEAKER_01]: We may read humanity of diseases because so many people are going to be using are going to be washing their hands more often and their bodies.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that normally do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it might change.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, be the cure for everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, listen, you're going to smell good while you're dying of measles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to, I guess, you know, that corpse is going to be smelling fresh measles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but if you wash it off your hands, you know, so true, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about how much more clinically, we will be as a society because of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might be a great, I mean, I know people think it's a joke, but seriously, I mean, the history books might be, you know, there might be sections in history books about how as a society we cured so many diseases because people were washing their hands for.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's over, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's over, dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we all just need to unplug the routers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Walk away from the keyboard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like doom and gloom out there in the world, but I do have, I'm going to start today's episode off with a question for you, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which will we see first?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which gets released first?
[SPEAKER_01]: When's it going to be more of the Epstein files?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's serious.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a legitimate question.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think what it was first?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's having close.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew you were going to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some have said, you're on there, Matt.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the wins of winner, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we talked about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just so as we're told me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think I was like four when all that stuff was going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully I'm not.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I saw, I was like, oh, you know, that'd be a funny question.
[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, you mean, I think we will, you know, somebody also left us a comment today and said, are you guys going to keep making videos about like, when's a winner coming out?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I feel like it's never coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yes, one hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are going to finally give it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to still be making wins videos in like, thirty years?
[SPEAKER_00]: I just responded with yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: One hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, excuse me, I'm at the hangout.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're as you towards the end of storm of sores.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do a boy of leather.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just finished that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm definitely fortunate.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a bunch of questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a bunch of comments here.
[SPEAKER_01]: YouTube comments and stuff that we're going to go through.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do have actually a real question for you, Jimmy, because I was kind of thinking about this with like wins and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also,
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on TikTok and everyone's like a Brandon Sanderson clip or pop pop and it kind of got me thinking a little bit about this and you know also like seeing some like people talk about wheel time and the ending.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's just say the unfortunate does happen and George does die before he releases wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're like a you, you know, read a ton way more fantasy than I do and you talk with people are hardcore into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you even talk with authors like you've talked with Erickson, you know, with a lot of serious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've entered a lot of these people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think let's just say that George doesn't get wins out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, do you think it would actually tarnish his legacy if somebody came out and finished it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know it feels kind of different because he's still alive.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like when I think of Wheel of Time, like I don't really ever see people like
[SPEAKER_01]: be like, oh, man, you know, like Robert Jordan didn't finish it and Brandon Sanders had to come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it still feels like most people view it as Robert Jordan series, not so much like Brandon Sanders sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are people out there who feel this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: They say, you know, I've Robert Jordan hadn't padded those books so much with the slog and all the deep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could have finished it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen that, which I think is a
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, honestly, it's pretty mean-speared to take in many ways, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's not like he purposely died and not finished a series, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the situation is different though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be, let's be clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely different.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you say turns to legacy, like objectively known, not at all,
[SPEAKER_00]: But from an internet perspective, oh, yeah, that'll be like the main talking point, at least for a good amount of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Matt, this, this, this killed me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was on one of our shorts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone said something about how George's legacy would be ruined and how he'll be known as the author who could never finish a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like had second hand embarrassment, considering the fact that George has so many other novels and stories that he has finished.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's one of the most prolific short story writers in the seventies and eighties and has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to awards and you know, just notables.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has finished so many stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he might not have finished his most popular one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to say the man has never finished anything is just objectively wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I honestly was like embarrassed for the comments or what I saw there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I was like, oh, they just don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've never even thought the Google bit or to look into it more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, I am a avid reader of pretty much all things fantasy and sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have come to appreciate George R. Martin for far more than just a song based in fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think somebody his short works like San King's.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would argue San King's is as good as a song based in fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: You and I love Dunkin' Egg, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we love those contained stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's so talented in the short form.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think to people who read a plethora of things,
[SPEAKER_00]: And in our a little bit more aware, I don't think it really messes with his legacy too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think for people who are just readers of a song of I sunflower is like, all they care about are their TV show driven, whatever, like, yeah, probably to them, that would be a huge black eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to Canterbury tells are not finished.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's one of the most popular literary pieces ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, canterbury tells are huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his other work, too, like the stuff he's done with the end of people complaining about wild cards and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think one of the things, you know, it's like people don't forget about, and maybe it's just because a lot of people who watch TV or read fantasy, aren't as big into video games.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Elden Ring is like going to be a massive franchise.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it already just with the, but now they have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but I mean like, like when Eldon ring two drops, which we know at Will at some point and like George is a very big part of that franchise.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's he's absurdly successful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean like Eldon ring very easily could become bigger like in, you know, in like the next ten to fifteen years, it could be like a bigger thing than
[SPEAKER_01]: Game of Thrones, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, that's, I, people, like, kind of think about video games.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they think about them as like being nearly as big, but do you know, do you know what the single most, um, it will change next year?
[SPEAKER_01]: But do you know what the single most, like the biggest launch of any media is ever, like in terms of, like, made, has made the most money, the biggest piece of, like, I guess you want to call it content or whatever you want to call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: GTA Five.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Red Dead Red Dead Redemption two is the most is the most profitable like like I mean it blows movies out of the water like yeah, it's not it's not even close.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean I do GTA will be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean that's it's gonna make like maybe make like ten billion dollars in a day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's gonna be absurd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's all about the scope you look at right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So George has been successful in Broadway.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been successful in television shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's worked on movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's worked on short stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been an editor and Brandon Sanderson's actually said the George R. Martin's one of the finest editors that the fantasy genre has ever seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's also dipped his toes into working with video game that end up being a massive head.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: There is so many things that you can acredit to him that I think have been very successful and very impactful to pop culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just really hard for me to imagine a non-finish series being, you know, nullifying all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying you can't put the individual, but it depends on the scope of the person's looking at.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know anything about a song I aspire is that like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm in that corner and no one ever agrees fully, but a large amount of people think that a storm of swords is the greatest fancy book ever written regardless of whether the series is ended or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: That means something to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I'm also like not a big endings guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've just never had been.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked about this on my YouTube channel plenty, but.
[SPEAKER_00]: and get how I am all about that journey before destination.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really am about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying an ending can help or hurt a series, but I'm okay with things being unfinished.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's part of life, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: like there's people who all their time on this earth has been robbed way short and their story was never finished and I mean obviously it's a different thing when someone has taken eleven years to write a book or whatever but I guess what I'm saying is like that's just how life works sometimes like sometimes we don't get a fairy tale ending sometimes we don't get the satisfaction we want
[SPEAKER_00]: And it happens every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, a piece of art being unfinished is just another, another thing, right, that may not be as fulfilling as, as if it were to be finished.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think the legacy, like, you know, when you go on the internet, especially the, the folks who aren't reading a lot of other stuff around running as other stuff, I think that they will think that that is like the biggest black eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is a guy who is,
[SPEAKER_00]: With all the accomplishments aside, even he has helped so many authors get to the grand stage and give them opportunities, like massively.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some people we don't even aware of by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as a writer's writer, you know, I'm saying like a for from a writer's perspective, I think George will always have a lot of goodwill among many people.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some people who hate him, but I mean, I think he's done a lot for a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know for me, I think he's pretty much solidified.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, for me, I don't think it's just like, you know, if he did die and wins it did come out like, and let's say they even if they got Brandon Sanderson, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think more of the jokes would be like, oh, Brandon Sanderson's just the guy who.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he won't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, not that he would be, but I'm just saying, you know, somebody like like that for, for example, but I mean, it's just, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I don't think, I don't think it really, I think to the, like, the casual person who's going to go pick, like, a wheel of time had the show had been more successful and it caused people to go read the books and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people would have been like, they were just, read the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just, like, click on the audio books and they just, and they just go.
[SPEAKER_01]: They, they don't, like, most people aren't nearly as hardcore about it where it, like us where we like dive into the people's lives and, you know, like you want to know, yeah, everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like my wife just read all of,
[SPEAKER_01]: the court of thorns or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, Akatar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, literally did like, I don't know, like, thirty bucks or something is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: She does literally did all of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now she's on the other one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just read you and Kelsey recommended to her the fourth wing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, fourth wing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like blitzing through all those bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love when people get into reading.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a lot of people like make fun of the romanticis genre, but I don't think people realize how important it is to get people back into reading.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's, it's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need people to read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't care what they read.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just read.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because yeah, because now she's about to be done with it and she's like, well, you know, what should I renext?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, ask Jimmy or Kelsey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think she messaged Kelsey.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey, what should I read?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, and that's another thing is that the song I swear whether it's finished or not has gotten, I mean, I would imagine hundreds of thousands of people back into reading.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know it brought me back as an adult.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that counts for something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whether you like them or you don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like, hey, I don't like JK Rowling at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even like Harry Potter, but I have to say that Harry Potter was probably a net positive as far as like getting people to read.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know for me when I was a kid, it really got me into wanting to try a whole bunch of different books.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, that's that we need that we do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, hey, I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's, I got a handful of ravens here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to kind of, and these are all just like comments and some of our more recent episodes and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to pull some of these up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this one is actually from, I kind of, sometimes I go back and I pull out like if I find a good clip in some of our old videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this one is actually to that brand chapter, which was the Hallen Reed story of the chronic men.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this person, uh, this is sort of the morning, uh, says sort of a good morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, says the scene where Helen find net finds net still holding the on his hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: The exact line is they found him still holding her hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: They obviously, Helen wasn't alone that plus because of the extreme importance of the baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to assume Regard made sure everything was prepared.
[SPEAKER_01]: How can we can guess that they
[SPEAKER_01]: were there were women there to take care of Leona and possibly even a maester.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do believe that there are more survivors from the fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they'd be fighting anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know Ned's reputation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did they think Ned was going to harm the baby or his sister?
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course not.
[SPEAKER_01]: The old Tyler, Tyler Joy seen is missing so many details.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ertahiri that Ned misheard Leona, you know, she was dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was weak, probably mumbling and concurrently.
[SPEAKER_01]: What if she kept mumbling the word prophecy not promise me just a thought I had?
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the mirrored John theory though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also like the so the idea that they might be twins, which is also what I pulled out of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little big there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so as I also wonder why Eric Dame would be named for Ned.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he was responsible for the death of, you know, the most adored family member, the Danes, most adored family member.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the questions that we've been asking for many, many years, such as the Edrick Dane piece, but also dip in their toes into some of the more I would say tinfully stuff like Miran, John, you know, being brother and sister.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never been a believer of it, but I think it's a really fun thing to think about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say the first part of this is excellent.
[SPEAKER_00]: They
[SPEAKER_00]: bad, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They, there's more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we all agree that the tower joy, it stinks to high heaven.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something else there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ned did not beat the sword of the morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we, I am dying for that scene from brands perspective in wins or whatever book that it would come in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's one of the number one things I'd be looking forward to with the new book coming out for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is, yeah, that whole, the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the part about the, the prophecy not promised me.
[SPEAKER_01]: right because.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I mean, you know, a hodor right for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just thought we never did.
[SPEAKER_01]: We ever think that was going to be hold of a door and have the connection to to what it was that was like, I mean, that was to me and watching Game of Thrones that moment was probably the most like, oh, my god moment for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, it's the best moment in television.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is like, I mean, there's this because my past my room for like an hour after it.
[SPEAKER_01]: As an eye, as an hour of watching it, and we were legally streaming it, because I found out that some sort of streaming site, and we were watching it, and we actually did a reaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, one of the first YouTube videos we ever did, I think it's still, we have to go dig through, it's like some old YouTube.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love watching it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're just like, just sitting there, we're just like, oh my God, like, oh my, it was insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like, I cannot, I cannot believe what I just,
[SPEAKER_01]: watch like talk about genius because it's like connecting everything and it's one of those scenes you know is going to happen you know Dan and Dave did not write and it because it just makes everything because otherwise if they didn't write it then what is the point of a hodor you know and all that it's so well we know George gave them that to that was one of the things that gave them yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is, is, and that actually brings up a really good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: That actually, like, that's something we should dive deeper into.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really, and maybe that's where this will also, this comment will ultimately lead us to.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it, like, time-wise, is that happening in wins of winner?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that going to be during the spring?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that his plan?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if that happens at wins of winner, then that gives us a huge indication as to where wins is actually going to end as opposed to dream of spring.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it happens at the end of wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for me, it happens in wins, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you think like, wall could come down of wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so it's the penalty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it might be different.
[SPEAKER_00]: That might be different, but the whole thing could be different, but yes, I believe that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The the end of wins winter will be very much like almost like a warning shot a cliffhanger if you will very similar to season six is ending I would say.
[SPEAKER_00]: A Danny will be coming over.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a dream for spring is all about Danny in West rose.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got I think that that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I had a phone call that randomly came in on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you thought it would be a bit of your work.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were calling me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually picked it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually need to pop it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you need a pause?
[SPEAKER_01]: We could pause.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can let it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they call again, I'll answer it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get fired.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're recording.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't that be crazy?
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be in sync.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're calling again.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Plus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take a take a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go off clubs are ready to be picked up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I might not even edit this out.
[SPEAKER_01]: People will be like, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's here.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, my golf clubs have been re-gripped for back at it, boys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: She even he Christmas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sweating right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I'll leave that in the, I think I'll leave that in the podcast, but I will edit it out because the podcast listeners that, you know, it'd be different for YouTube.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was I saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even, you're talking about dinner.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about the dreams for being all about the nearest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wins a winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Dream of Spring is all about like the final conflict, Danny's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they converge in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what do we do now that all the pieces are on one side of the board and going from there?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think a wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see the hood or moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also like kind of fits the like the title like the wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess so I guess that I guess that leads us to the question is if let's say, let's say, Hodor does happen in wins of winter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even if it's at the very end, then because it comes down to night King stuff, because night King isn't in the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if there is no night King, does that mean that you're on who is sailing right now, with perhaps dragon binder, does he change as he see a vision?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he change course?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he decide to go north of the wall?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's, well, he could loop around, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't he go all the way around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we don't know what the West West rose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just saying him sailing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's sailing towards Old Town, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so by the way, I am a firm believer.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have a night king figure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like as far as like someone named the night king, I think that is a very much a television thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine you're on will be the ultimate daddy for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's your penalty, a he's your ultimate evil.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's your soron.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say you're on does get to old town.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who do we know Sam is there?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we know Alira slash the swings is the riddle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like if he gets to old town does he interact with any of those characters and that could lead him to want to like is there any like because what would cause him to potentially go like north of the wall does you have some sort of crazy vision is brand like
[SPEAKER_01]: reach out to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're on his ultimately the end character, I mean, unless we create some kind of night king leader of the white walkers or something in the books, which we don't necessarily have,
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess what what causes the hodor moment in the books where you don't have the night king because it's done really well in the show where you have the night king and brand sees him and then he touches him and it perhaps breaks the seal so they can get in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's like you would have to what unless the hodor moment takes place somewhere else like they decide to leave the cave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then they could decide it's time to head back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a lot that I think this is just one of those spots Matt where like I think it's going to be a lot different than the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we always thought about like what's going to be different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think it's going to be drastically different.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for the one piece that is George is going to go into the fantastical.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the nature of the others is completely different in the book too, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I just think it's gonna be vastly different than the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the show did is what they could with the fantastic moments.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to get into, you know, who's gonna sit the throne?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was their main selling point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they also dumbed down the white walkers to be, you know, mindless zombies, essentially with one figure head.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't, I think that the body of them, like we've talked about their culture, all this stuff's gonna have a role to play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, one of the weird things,
[SPEAKER_00]: And this has been a theory for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might have been David Lightbringer who I first heard talk about it, but it was talking about how neurons banner is a big red eye, like soren from more of the rings.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's crows on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a crown, which, of course, you have him wearing a crown for his people, but I'm also thinking like a night King type figure, maybe would be here on.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Samuel Tarlie is an old town.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Samuel Tarlie is near the Sphinx who's good at archery and Sam's banner for House Tarlie is an archer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're on has one good eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a chance that Samuel Tarlie is the one who puts an arrow through your on's eye?
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the theory I heard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure he was David Lightbringer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always with which goes down to like the Hobbit, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And George does love ping homage.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: be colded.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's that character's name in the habit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a open sheet or an open sheet?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's not the one who he's not the one who the one is the is the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the, who's the guy that shoots the arrow?
[SPEAKER_01]: Banned, uh, barred the Bowman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's been a long time since I've seen the habit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's a black area, a special area forged by the doors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Strikes hits smogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Open thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is sick with it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I movie first.
[SPEAKER_01]: The movie version of the Hobbit, I did particularly like the second two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you see the fan ended that I talked about recently?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a free.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the first one.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I thought the first one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first Hobbit movie, this might be sacralized.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I think I think it's right there with the other three movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Lord of the Rings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the topic is not as much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will give, I'll give you that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the first half of these in the ballpark.
[SPEAKER_00]: If didn't feel foreign, the second, the next ones are not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a fan at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And anybody wants to check it out can go.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's StrumbollyBones.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's called the War of the Five Edits.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is a mini series fan at it of the three Hobbit movies into five like fifty minute episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it condenses movies two and three to a much tighter and more cohesive narrative.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It keeps so much of the first movie and then really helps out the second and third movies to make them not as awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's the best way of experiencing the Hobbit movies now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a lot of check it out because I'm down for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where you'd love it, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, um, or anything else on this before we dive into another raven.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's plenty, but I think that's, that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Leave her where she lies there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's, I, real quick, if you go back to like Tower of Joy and talk about like what they're, uh, what, what they're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me pull that theory back up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the tower joy and like, was she mumbling something differently?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's all, it really all comes down to me and what are we gonna see when we see that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, that moment, tower of joy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it gonna be similar to the way it was in the show?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it gonna be brand who is our visionary?
[SPEAKER_01]: I still would love the idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love the idea just like a flashback, just a flashback, like a flashback chapter of Raygar or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, he says it doesn't necessarily wanna add new POVs,
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, I've just, I always thought that would be like, well, it would be within brands P of E, possibly, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you could have brand have a vision and then it's written in a manner that it's from Raygar's third person through brand.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could, you could break, you could keep yourself kind of like the cat of the canals and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's dive into some other ravens here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this one is talking about Daenerys.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked a little bit about how her stuff feels so far away and this person kind of brought up a good point to like maybe if George, you know, if it's ever finished, you could really combine all the Daenerys stuff into its own.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like almost like book series, like a way of doing it, saying the nair should be her own book series because it already is no one in her story travels to or brings a news to Westeros just like no one goes back to the Duncan egg series from a song of ice empire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, more months since his message to Varus, you know, likely to relereo.
[SPEAKER_01]: that tells of Daenerys' pregnancy, and that in turn causes strife between Robert and Ned.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jora never made his way to King's Landing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Unsolider, the Dothrackie, never arrived.
[SPEAKER_01]: No envoys are sent to Westeros.
[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't even send Ravens back and forth with maesters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her story is its own island.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it may meet up with Westeros, you know, eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: But really, if she were to die at any point before, the entire S.O.s continent would disappear from the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's the only thing keeping that world relevant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Arya and Tyrion are there now, but they're not related to her in her story.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could be anywhere in Westrose.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not part of her story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because basically her story should be its own series of part of Westrose.
[SPEAKER_01]: It released in different books.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it is seen, you know, as if it seems will happen, she does get to Westrose and then she can merge in the greater series of books.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only reason it wasn't done this way is the name of the series puts her in the same box.
[SPEAKER_01]: The name of the series should be a separation of snow and dragons.
[SPEAKER_01]: A.S.O.S.
[SPEAKER_01]: AD is a better acronym anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, uh, there is somebody in Duncan and that's in a song of ice and fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: What water fray?
[SPEAKER_00]: Water fray.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blood raven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blood raven as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there is some there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I think they're there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they're like, I mean, well, blood raven's a little bit bigger, but water frays just like a cameo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's the possible foreshadow of how he's going to die in the main series too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that that's not a great comparison concern the fact that Duncan Egg is not in the same time period.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see what they're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it, but you know, if it were written today, it would be.
[SPEAKER_01]: because that seems to be like the whole deal now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, because even that even that series that traces reading the court of Akatar, whatever, she's like, well, there's like this book series and there's this one and this one, it's all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I, that seems to be much more.
[SPEAKER_01]: prominent thing today is to write like multiple series that are connected into like a multiverse, you know, which we're seeing and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that this also predates even a song I aspire though.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at Michael Morecock, Michael Morecock, as the Eternal Champion series is Ulrich, he has Hawkwood, like he hasn't, he actually has a connected universe back in the sixty seventies.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Isaac Asim off connects the foundation series to the I robot series as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he had a connected universe too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, like George had that option back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he and he was heavily influenced by Michael Warcock.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like he knew he could do that if he wanted to and he chose not to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that this is like one of those things where like it's certainly not incorrect what this comment is saying, but it's also looking at it through a very specific lens of like separate in stories, but like we know the intention is to bring them together.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like when you're forming like a big epic narrative,
[SPEAKER_00]: or like some things might feel separated, but we have to also think about it from like a thematic standpoint and how much we see, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you always talk about how a Daenerys chapter is followed by like maybe a John chapter and then we can start to look about their similarities, knowing that they will eventually meet and what they've been through, you know, I guess it's all semantics of how you would want to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't think the books would be like better to separate it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Personally, I don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess, yeah, my,
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, in the TV show, I think did a great job of balancing all this stuff, because Daenerys never felt as far away on TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a never felt totally different, because you're jumping from here to there and there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were actually able to pace the scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: differently right and you can actually have like like the battle of the black water well it's we see the event happening at at one time because you're going you're bouncing back forth here's what's going on with sons and Cersei here's what's going on without here and it's one and it's one event as opposed to I read a chapter from this person's point of view then a chapter from this point to view that back to it so it's just different mediums but I think the advantage this series has is that the POV read where you go back and you do the POV read is done
[SPEAKER_01]: So well, but I have we've said it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, man, some of these in air shepherds.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do feel totally disjointed because
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, look, look, we just finished in our reread.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look at how long it took just to do red wedding.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was like, oh, yeah, enormous block of chapters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like no dinner, chapter even in there, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just like man, hers by far do feel the most disjointed because they're so far apart in some of like stormy swords, where some of these it feels very, very far away.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's better pace in a game of thrones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then in dance and dragons,
[SPEAKER_01]: totally different because we're more an SO, so it feels like you can see some of the things that are going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although, well, not directly connected, but I think if slash when we ever get wins and you know, Tyrion meets up with her or some of these other things, then it will it'll totally change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, we're waiting for the payoff and whenever it's waiting, you know, it could be frustrating or it can be easy to think about how to restructure things, you know, hindsight's always twenty twenty, but like when those payoff happen, you know, it's, it's included the book for a reason, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: George wants us to think about different things about the story, but also to get us invest in the Danny so that when she pops up, like, you know, if they were side novella's and nobody read them and then she just showed up in the book six and hey, this is Dragon Queen has his army.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, I didn't read this side novellas.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is this?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it would feel weird, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, let's be honest, like, I think SOS is pretty sick in the fact that it makes this world feel so like different and varied from place to place.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's part of what makes this world like feel so epic is that there's massive, massive distances between our POVs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course people are free to restructure it however they want whatever, but like for me personally, I don't think it would make the series better for being removed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: One last wave in here today.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is from King Afrogo Far Far Away.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, Hey fellas, I love your episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to add to the conversation on identity, which is something we've been talking a lot about, especially in Storms Swords.
[SPEAKER_01]: On my reread, I was really fascinated by the weird wood doors that George has for the three heads of the stars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brand passes through a weird wood door at the nightfall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ariah passes through a weird wood door for the faceless meant in Sansa when she's at the edge of the moon door.
[SPEAKER_01]: All three stars go through a symbolic death and transformation through the loss of an old identity to a new one.
[SPEAKER_01]: When brand passes, he is no longer at the end of the world, he is now in the land of the dead and when no longer be a stark but a green sear.
[SPEAKER_01]: When Arya passes with the faceless men, she is no longer Arya Stark and enters the house of the dead and become to work for death.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sansa passes since comes back out the moon door as a lane stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: The door is a literal symbol for death because it is mainly used for execution and we've seen the symbolism of the moon used to describe the others.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cool how you all brought in the Danny Flint and cold hands for a discussion of identity when the chapter is about the weird word door.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also don't think it's a coincidence that Hodor was scared of the door, which you know, potentially, uh, future.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed Jimmy's comment of a tier, a beat of the tier being brands as if he was looking back at his old life slash identity.
[SPEAKER_01]: George and his doors, my favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: Danny also has two doors on one being weird wood and one being the red one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much George added the house of the dragon, but there's a weird bed that Matt Smith laid on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the content fellas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks to the comment.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is Colman.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is definitely one of the neater points someone's made.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think when we were talking about identity, I mean, I go on and on and on and think that's one of the core pieces of the series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, doors I have a lot of symbol, like even in our world, throughout many different cultures and through centuries and millennia, but this is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like this quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I haven't really thought about like the actual, like the brand one is so interesting because he passes, I guess you could say they all do really, but brand passes through a magical door in which it is quite literally from one realm into another.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know the connection of weird words and everything in brand himself is also somewhat magical, but you know, Arya is and we don't know about songs, maybe maybe she's well, I mean, technically you could make they all have connections with dire walls, which are some sort of magical beings, right, and that they are not normal normal wolves to say the least.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, Ari is too, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because she goes in and she becomes a faceless man and she begins using magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Ari is one we kind of like forget about the most when you're dealing with his brand and his connection to actually if you look at all three of them, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Brands connection to magic is immediate.
[SPEAKER_01]: By far, the most immediate in the story, Sansa feels cut off because she's not with her dire wolf and she's dealing with the politics side of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even in the show, we don't really see her do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would guess you would argue magical, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That clearly like Arya does when Arya uses space-listment magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of interesting kind of different because yeah, she does pass through a weird with the weird with door.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she goes to trains and becomes a faceless man.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, there it is Matt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Someone needs to go through and find every reference to a door.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, also, hey, we just talked about hold the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I brought that up too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the weird wood doors.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are there any other weird wood doors that we know specifically?
[SPEAKER_01]: The doors that Danny goes through, which he goes into car
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's a weird, is it weird wood?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he says, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Danny also has two deer, weird wood doors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it must be, because then they also have like the blackstone that is like it's like, I believe it's the fused blackstone, which is different than like the oily blackstone that's on the sea stone chair and pike.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course the red one, which is the, you know, the door that's tied to her past, you know, that doesn't necessarily mean it's magical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, also how much of its symbolism compared to like a literal magic, like that's that's a balance that we have to try to even in house of the dragon though, the demon sleeping on the weird wood that that totally changes him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it's straight up magic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, he's having visions and everything and then he is and we don't know how much of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know how much of that destroys.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know how much of that's going to be in fire and blood part two.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we ever, you know, get that if we because it's right now, what's her name?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a lane stone, but a rivers, house rivers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her story is like unfinished and we think it's supposed to finish in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fire and blood part two.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, what's what she's leaving an army?
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have no idea what's going on with her.
[SPEAKER_01]: No idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: No idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I guess, you know, we are saying it's straight up magic, but there was also a lot of theories about Alice Rivers drugging, Damon, and that's why he's having visions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, they're still a little bit of the doubt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is it really magic?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is it where would really affecting him?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just love that there's always like a seat of doubt and pretty much everything we assume to be true in this series.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, it's totally the same thing with the Bolton.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about that all the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like everyone, everyone scoffs at the Russel Bolton is like a vampire theory, but it's like they literally play people, which is, and then you know, then talk about like wearing a skin and we're like, that's totally what are it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is the faces of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, where does all this magic that you know, and that's something I don't know that we ever will because the show didn't go deeper into it, but man, I would love to get more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Law and info on the faceless and magic that's probably the we probably won't it probably will go the same way does where she just leaves and, you know, decides she's going to be Arya Stark and goes back and now she's back when in West Australia, she's going to seek revenge on people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, I would love if we ever got more lore on the magic of the faceless men.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we get the dragons.
[SPEAKER_01]: We definitely get the tree and the green sears.
[SPEAKER_01]: We definitely kind of get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like it's all connected to the children of the forest.
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, a faceless man feels so different.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I also think that the doom of the Luria probably ties into the faceless man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's one of the biggest theories, probably about the history of a song of ice and fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like anything that we would get about the doom could unlock all of that for us, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you sell the doc out, by the way?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do have the doc out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what up did I have on there?
[SPEAKER_01]: What episode we're doing next?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or does it just end?
[SPEAKER_01]: Daenerys five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we're back into Daenerys chapter next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll let you hit the end out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the first time I think I've ever actually done the outro.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, when you go back and forth, yeah, you can do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can, you can knock it out of the park here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got it met.
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