[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, Lisa here, quick update before we begin.
[SPEAKER_02]: John and I recorded this episode earlier this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll hear us say that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll also hear us talk about waiting on a season two renewal for murder but and what we think the chances are of that blah blah blah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, good news.
[SPEAKER_02]: That part of the conversation is now a moot point because on Thursday the day before this episode and the season finale dropped, we got the official announcement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Season two of murder but is a go.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, hooray, though it still might take some time before we get that season two for Resinjil here us, discuss later in the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: But first, let's get into the finale of Murderbot season one, which we can now say, just the beginning of the premium quality entertainment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Lorehounds, your guides to write bot meltdowns.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am John, or at least I was before that memory wipe.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm Alicia here to kick some sec unit text and help murder bot check the perimeter, the finale of Apple TV plus is murder bot season one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Season one, because I demand more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's see if it qualifies for best mini series next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... i i would love more more about but i i see what you're saying let's let's get into a minute just spoilers for the entire season now we now we couldn't even spoil ahead if we want to well i yeah i mean i have read the second book but uh... right right right i don't even think it's really spoilery him
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we're at the end of the road.
[SPEAKER_01]: Folks, this is the end of murder about season one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're hoping that there is a season two, but no confirmation on that at the time of recording, which is the Monday prior to the finale.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give me your hot takes, Alicia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, first of all, this is the longest episode of the season, thirty five home minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Directed by Paul Wattley.
[SPEAKER_01]: In that funny, thirty five minutes is the longest episode of the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I know, but they used it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They definitely used it because when I first saw it, you know, because basically, um, in the books, in the book, we just get, you know, murder about Blacks out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we saw the last, uh, end of the last episode and then murder about wakes up the equivalent to, you know, after we've already seen probably most of the episode of this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, murder about doesn't know
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't get clarification because we only see in the book through murder bots for selective.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't really know what the whole team went through to get murder bot at back and all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So all of this kind of could have happened in the book where murder bot just comes to and is told we've bought your contract blah blah blah and from there.
[SPEAKER_02]: All of this was a huge surprise.
[SPEAKER_02]: I sent you a message as I was watching.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like, this is the most stressful episode yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: It had noir vibes, which is fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whenever it seems like whenever they go to the corporation room, we get noir vibes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It had the vibes for me of Dragon Ball Z, how like Goku's always dying and they always have to go find the Dragon Ball again to revive him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it was like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like your friends did, but you could get him back if you complete your quest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was really stressed because, of course, I figured that it would end in the same place as the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I assumed it would end that, but there were times where they really made me nervous that it wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because of all this extra stuff that happened with murderbots, memory, and governor module, and all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved seeing, we've seen, you know, the preservation arcs team at the end of their arc.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it is a very solid season.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's a standalone, then it's a solid standalone season.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just need more.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's cool to see them negotiating with the corporation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mensa with the press was pretty badass.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we got Gorobot really happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: They became one.
[SPEAKER_02]: And two became one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I had raised interesting questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, are we a collection of our memories?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, is making me, it's a nice companion piece in a way to movies like Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind or the new one, The Life of Chuck.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, and I found it was a different tone than the rest of the season, but it felt appropriate to felt better sweet and perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the show is definitely going to be in my top ten of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think mine too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think mine too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, it's been a great year, but this has been one of the standout premieres.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very exciting stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I would, man, this, you said to me yesterday like this was like such an emotional, lots of soda.
[SPEAKER_01]: And while watching, and I was like, oh, she was right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everything was,
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Garatha and really surprised me the most in his performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was the actor really did a good job of just letting a little bit of emotion leak through.
[SPEAKER_02]: Save it, Dust Mountain.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, see, now you'll recognize him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you've seen him a dozen different places before.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's in everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll be keeping an eye out for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did a great job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, really amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the moment when he and Murderbot are saying they're tearful goodbye when like Garatha knows, but he's not going to say it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have to check the perimeter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Parameter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just I think the writing was really smart in this season in like the plotting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, before we had that whole algorithm was an addict and we didn't know if that was just color for the character.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they paid off, it paid off in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really great writing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there are situations where, and I could actually say this now in the season from here of foundation, which is available now when this episode comes out.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a plot point where I'm like, you either need to introduce that earlier.
[SPEAKER_01]: or you needed to say this is a new thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can't have it both ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't be like, this was always here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they had just had Garathon suddenly have this past, in this episode, I think that would have felt really heavy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But instead, we had that background with, we can talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, they just did a really, really smart development of Garathon and the other characters throughout the season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like, I liked all the callbacks this episode too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, um, that we can talk about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, they just brought a lot of disparate threads together.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's when, you know, the shows, they really plan this out as an entire story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just, I, I thought they really nailed this tricky point from the books, which is preservation ops supposed to be the good guys, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, they still don't treat
[SPEAKER_01]: constructs as fully equal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a point of dissonance from Murderbot, because Murderbot clocks that right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's part of why Murderbot goes away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't linger on that in the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the word guardian basically is all you get.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I really like that they nailed that balance of like, almost like the cage, the golden cage, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the cage of paternalism.
[SPEAKER_01]: I that that they show to these constructs right I'll be your guardian you could you could you could work with me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is you know and Murderbot says in the end like I don't want anyone to tell me what my reasons and that's that's I think a beautiful moment and that's why I thought this episode was a perfect way I thought it was perfect finale.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't point the one bad thing in it
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, it was perfectly balanced and also to your guardian point that just reminds me of Mensa, you know, they didn't go as into it as directly about, but there's a point when Mensa is having the press conference and she says, and and the, oh my gosh, the media, of course, being so obnoxious.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and the one woman says,
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it true that on your planet, sex bots can marry humans?
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, no, can we stick to the point?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the point is, yeah, that the press is being annoying.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I also did clock that, you know, of course, we don't give sex bots full rights, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's there.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's that book cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember the the author right now, but but refusal of intermarriage is like a tenant of a caste system.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's really interesting to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't clock that as being part of that, but that makes total sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good work.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to the bottom of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, should we get into the whole thing before I just talk about things I liked for the next hour?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The plot.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you have from me first?
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, so let's talk about erasing the evidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: After last episode's catastrophic failure, Murderbot wakes up in a tech bay back in ports free commerce, just in time for two, especially shitty texts to remove its memories and restore its governor module.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is deemed ready to be sent back to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: But, while caught in a riot, begins to flash back to those mysterious memories of murderous mayhem from some previous job that seemed burned into its circuits through every memory wipe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Murderbot has deemed fully dysfunctional and sent to be melted.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I was, my blood was boiling with those texts at the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it track though, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is clearly, these are treated as objects.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you know what was pointed out to me is that like we saw before that the texts were our indentured servants and most of the murderbots clients have been indentured servants just like the people who were who were protesting at the end, you know, who the group that ended up also attacking murderbots.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they just see it as part of the system that's oppressing them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think there is a level of this is something that Howard Zinn writes about in the people's history of the United States is is how when it seemed like white indentured servants and black slaves in colonial America were starting to like
[SPEAKER_01]: Figure out that maybe the same forces were against them and like keeping them down.
[SPEAKER_01]: They gave the white indentured servants just a little bit more in rights to make them see the black slaves as not the same classes of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that helped keep racial divisions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a lot of, you know, the history of racism in America.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he called back people
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was just to say, call back to our discussion in sinners about the the Irish and Blacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, yes, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still got a watch center.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to hear your podcast afterward.
[SPEAKER_01]: But but anyway, I think it's really interesting to see how, you know, these, these indentured servants, they're one way of proving to themselves that they are not as low class as these bots is that they can tell them to cry like a baby, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And this show did such an amazing job of sort of mixing the comedy with the horror, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's horrific that murderbot is being forced to do these silly things that obviously murderbot would hate to be doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, Alexander Skars' guard pretended to be a baby as hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what this show does as well as this dissonance and this tonal dissonance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and just another compliment to Alexander Skarsgard, not that we haven't given him enough, but just also the stoicism, the emotional stoicism that we see in this episode in certain moments like where murder bots laying there, memory being wiped, or later when murder bot comes to, and is like, I don't understand what's going on, and just the tears in his the actor's eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: just what a performance and then that at the you know juxtapose with what you're talking about like these over the top comedic crying or you know um we are just it just running the gamut of absolutely stunning performance really bringing this character to life right not even being called seki could wake murder bought up
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, oh, a question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you also rub your tummy and patch your head when they told murder about to do it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to make sure you don't have a job at our module.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just to make sure, no, not to be commanded, but just like to make sure that I'm still the brain still can do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then I noticed, I noticed it's really hard to get started, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I noticed when Murderbot did it, it did first belly, then head.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how you have to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't start at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, did you do the crying baby thing too?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I did not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pretty sure I can do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't would have been staring at you like, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening?
[SPEAKER_02]: um okay question about the the whole taking the memories from murderbots so of of course yeah that their corporations gonna keep them and analyze them regardless but especially in this case but isn't this behavior of suddenly like we took back uh we took back the second it took all the memories and are not sharing them with you isn't that a little bit like shredding files yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but they also, well, all right, well, there's debate over where that is at this stage, but yes, they clearly should not be doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think probably they were doing it because they thought they could get away with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe in their minds, they were like, well, we still have the files somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't destroy anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just refusing to give it to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just has to be a subpoena or something, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot that Pinley was a lawyer until this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, oh yeah, Pinley is not just the best with the guns.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just never came up and then Pinley's like, I have an injunction.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I guess the pinley was wearing like a chain across the chest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's sort of like a job of what do you call it?
[SPEAKER_02]: A insignia to say like a barrister uniform.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the maesters of this universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your lawyer is your maester.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why you need them on your adventure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I went slowly through the whole right situation that was going on and what's the press and stuff we're saying and it seems like they are indentured servants who are striking because they're not happy with the right something about
[SPEAKER_02]: beginning dates of contracts and therefore the ends of the term of service like they really only gave us small snippets of what the newscasters were saying but their authorities have made themselves clear no work no food so they're striking and they're not getting anything to eat and their chanting were not slaves so I think this is setting up potential like this is a storyline that would be expanded over future season should we should we be lucky enough to get them
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know anything about the future books.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's already part of it, but...
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's interesting to me to see plotlines like this because, well, we're living in a world of generative AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: And things are getting better every minute.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just heard there's a bank that just made full time AI employees.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have access to the team chats and they have access to email and they go to meetings.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, OK, how long until that's the default?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so I just broke up with a with a credit card that I've had for eight years American Express because they have turned over management of their accounts to AI and they kept taking too much money from my account and I was on the phone with them talking to humans like twice a month just you know like can you please stop this from happening it just keeps happening and they the humans are not able to intervene
[SPEAKER_02]: and you know that I canceled my card finally and the last guy I talked to is like you know that's a it's a real shame but I can't say I don't completely understand so I don't know we'll see with hopefully there is backlash to this because it's not there's people like to think that AI is further along than it is and oh sure yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's, but it's interesting that it's the more that these things yet put into a work environment, the more they will be normalized.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, even if it's not there yet, it will get better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we know that the technology will get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am sure that the technology will get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The question is, do we take care of the people who are in our out of work or do we not?
[SPEAKER_01]: In our current state, I think perhaps not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think what's happening is kind of what we see with these indentured people were now.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are like, oh, well, they're still work for translators and copyrighters and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just we will only pay you pennies where we used to pay you dollars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's what's happening with this indentured crew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there just, they're still using them to do the work.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just not paying them properly.
[SPEAKER_01]: We could go wrong with work requirements for benefits.
[SPEAKER_01]: We could go wrong with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it's not like that's been tried and proven ineffective.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what always kills me is that we actually have centuries worth of history to look back on, of experience to learn from.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yet, we cannot seem to remember past two months ago, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well,
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, let's go back to Murderbot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't live this world anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's a day is interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in the first book, we do also, I don't know if they've talked about it as much in the show, but about the indentured servants and the fact that Murderbot's previous clients, like that the people that he's seen to be shooting in his memory,
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, and it's memory is they are also indentured servants.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a murderbot does mention that part of its job is also protecting them from each other and themselves because they're so miserable.
[SPEAKER_02]: They might take their own lives basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is that would cost them company money or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess they have to pay things out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's, there's liability for how they put people in a box together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's also, it is interesting with they're saying, I don't know if I completely agree, but it is also, there's a lot of scientific truth to this that murder bot seems to have trauma bonded into it, burned into its circuits rather than love.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, every time murder bot's wiped, it remembers the massacre that stuck in its head, but not Rotty's face perhaps.
[SPEAKER_02]: It that didn't see her as deep as something that was truly traumatic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd remember Roddy either.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or Reds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some weird guy I knew one day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Call me Sekki.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh man, but pulling a gun on Rati, while when Rati saw it going to the riots, that was, whoo, that was rough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the eye contact, too, because that was, wouldn't that the name of the first episode of this season?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eye contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: They made such a big deal about, I noticed you probably have a problem with eye contact, but even against smart writing, they called back to that last episode, where Garatha and his ass the same thing by Murderbot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they put it back in our mind and then all of a sudden, no, he can make eye contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he can make eye contact.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, I mean, that was the moment when Rossi realized that that's not our murderbot, but then I do wonder because they said about during the construction of murderbot, you know, they talked about the chemical and balances, which should be contributing to murderbot's anxieties.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if just taking away the memories would take away everything that makes murderbot murderbot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I will say like a lot of neurodivergence does result from trauma though, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Does result from your experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I could see removing those memories, killing parts of the anxiety.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of it's just genetic, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's totally true, but it's not only genetic.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely an aspect of it to the experiences that you have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I suppose in the way that it expresses itself, but there is definite, like they can, you know, we saw in the rehearsal, they were talking about that they made it sound a bit more foolproof in the rehearsal than it is in real life, but you can scan the brain and see whether someone is more likely to be autistic or have ADHD or things like that based on brain scans alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you can ignore that voicemail and perform the miracle over the Mojave.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, they made the sound a bit, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there is genuine progress in that regard in terms of seeing physical differences.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that there's an aspect to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it'll get more advanced and perhaps be more full-proof.
[SPEAKER_01]: But right now, I wouldn't go trusting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the way something in the show we haven't talked about this more line-hearted is that they have their own writing system that we see especially well, I guess we saw it at the habitat too, but it's kind of like Arab-ish in that it is it translates like letter for for letter from
[SPEAKER_02]: Our writing system, so if you recognize it, and there are people on Reddit and such who have transcribed it, if you can learn to read it the way the same way people read our bash, which is the Star Wars language by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this looks a lot like Hebrew, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I recognize some letters from when I tried to learn some Hebrew.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my big thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was thinking it had also something in common with like simplified kanji from East Asia or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there's definitely, yeah, there's definitely some Japanese influence on here too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure the idea is similar to Dune where it's like all of these cultures just still together and it's a unified thing in the space future.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always think of
[SPEAKER_01]: The office when Dwight goes, I have it on good authority that in ten years will all be speaking German or some kind of Mandarin German hybrid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, in another world.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just obsessed with being German.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the whole joke with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great, great arc here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice summary.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we have next?
[SPEAKER_01]: The legal battle begins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, the preservation auction team fights to get their murderbot and its memories back from the company.
[SPEAKER_01]: They dance around each other in conference rooms and the press.
[SPEAKER_01]: With Mensa threatening to leak information and the company threatening to boy the agreement due to them failing to report their second it, not having a functioning governor module.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm glad they included all of this, um, y'all the maneuvering behind the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: The, yeah, human side of making this happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the, uh, the, the, the talk between them.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not your second unit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's our second unit.
[SPEAKER_02]: You will address me as madam president.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, she's like, try me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that Garatha and was fighting there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was he heard that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He went,
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to cool down a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's getting the vapours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really enjoy this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a question about the governor module.
[SPEAKER_01]: So murder buckets of memories and eventually, but does still has the governor module?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we to understand that just murder bot got the memories back?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know how to hack the governor module and just immediately did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that they, um, part of the negotiations was that the governor module had to be disabled or something?
[SPEAKER_03]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although, I guess, murderbot could hack the governor module regardless, but yeah, it seems like the governor module was already, uh, disabled before they brought murderbot back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't want to disable one without someone that I trusted.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, somebody with guns and it's arms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you get guns in your arms?
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if augmented humans ever get that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I guess you would have to like hollow out the best of your arms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It would have to be an entire prosthetic arm robotic arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't sound fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you lost an arm, would you get a prosthetic gun arm?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't like I need guns with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would you get like an arm that dispensed beer or an arm that you're arm like one of the hats?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have like a Swiss army knife arm, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be useful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like there's a wide opener in the thumb or you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mean, maybe one that turns into a microphone and we'll do podcasts on the go.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually just a Zencaster plug-in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we were also talking about today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also comes out the first episode of season three of foundation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at the beginning of that episode, uh, Dawn, you know, he's got Dawn gives a speech that I was saying made my little PR history heart gleeful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we also had that that whole conversation here is so much like
[SPEAKER_02]: How do we say this properly?
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess this is from the legal side this year, but not defective, suboptimal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just dancing around words here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wordsmithing is certainly a game.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not an exact science.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they asked, did you notice any abnormal behavior because basically your contract would be void if you knew about the hacked governor module and didn't report it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we definitely didn't talk about sanctuary moon with this bot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be, I mean, they could play, it's so easy for them to play dumb because we don't interact with bots like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We thought that all bots were that helpful.
[SPEAKER_02]: We thought that you liked to have helpful for you thinking creative solution bots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially because we know that murderbot blocked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess murderbot blocked out to the feed all the things when they were talking about it being rogue, but did not probably erase from its own memories.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they probably haven't now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the the press in the corporation rim is outrageous.
[SPEAKER_02]: So rogue sec unit's viciously assassinated clients like no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our sec unit saved us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we expected to be an integral part of the investigation.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_02]: the way they meant so is working the press there basically or using the press as a platform to strengthen their position against the corporation basically saying uh everybody look at the sec unit the sec unit is important so that they can't just delete the sec unit they have to give the injunction to stop the acid bath hmm yeah i i uh
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked the last minute running in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's later though, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the press was insane and I think that it's completely realistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sadly, so lately, sometimes it seems like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the media is the most important platform for influencing public opinion, which is why it's so important that we have free and independent media.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do not feel like corporation room is the place where that happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: That should get censored so fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I were, if I were living in this world, I would probably be tuning into like the preservation ox corresponding on free commerce.
[SPEAKER_01]: Preservation ox free radio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's my job when I joined their planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is DJ Alicia on the preservation ox free radio channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is going on today?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's obviously the voice I always use.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll use my elicio.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a thing that was in the end or coverage for anyone, just to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Elicio used a voice changer to give herself a male sounding voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, just a more neutral voice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just a more neutral.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted it to sound different from the other voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I named him elicio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Them, them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right, fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking pronouns, it's not it's anymore, but I think that this was all a good storyline, but I don't know that I believe that everything is lost with with the memory wife.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot and they gave a good emotional punch, but as we see with murderbots still having that clip of the
[SPEAKER_02]: of that traumatic experience, not everything can be wiped from the physical body, even if you're about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because even my computer, when I delete stuff, there's still traces of most of the stuff I've deleted compressed, Uber compressed there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, the only way to really get rid of it is to completely destroy the drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love the aside.
[SPEAKER_02]: I reminded me of the Wheel of Time with Matt and the fucking party goes on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shut up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I feel like in my twenties, especially I was part of the parties that other rooms were trying to have serious meetings and getting met at us about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, college was fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, post college was actually more fun because then you actually had money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, for enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for then, Gurra points out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is interesting that I forgot or didn't really think about the fact that, of course, Gurathans, the insider of the group here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually, Gurathans, the outsider here, Gurathans is the one with the most insider knowledge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I mean, I loved his whole arc.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we're going to talk about that after the break, but I did enjoy seeing this side of Garathon where he takes more, usually Garathon is snickering in the background, and now Garathon is at the forefront.
[SPEAKER_01]: Check it out and take your names.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess we'll talk about that after the break, but the corporation rim doesn't play fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we play fair, and we're going to have a couple of ads.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give me the data dump police.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garothan says that they will buy the second at back and they get an injunction to prevent its destruction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Meanwhile, Garothan pressures a former dealer into helping him access murder bots uploaded memories and Garothan downloads the mall into his own head to sneak them out and upload them back into murder bots head.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, we kind of got like a double fake out Garothan relapse like first faking out the audience with, you know, what's he talking to the dealer about?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then
[SPEAKER_02]: Faking out, men's in the group.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is data still expensive?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, data storage still expensive in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I feel like it's getting smaller now when she, now, like, like, like, you just get an external hard drive and put it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, that's what I was putting that to.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm doing too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because presumably, murderbot can store a lot more data than a human brain can.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was there was a couple dramatic moments in this part.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, you know, you mentioned before the dramatic about to be dipped in acid moment was very James Bond, very James Bond, when Pinley literally runs in to save the day with the court in Junction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the sanctuary boon being the key to finding murder about was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I love later.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm missing episodes, four hundred twenty through five hundred sixty eight of sanctuary moon.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how they all knew their murder about was back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looks off to the side and says, I'm missing my stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, David does marketing did a, I hope I'm saying his last name correctly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've only seen it written down, but he did a really good job, but also with a full range of acting in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also looking like I keep thinking about, I don't know who, I don't know, then the tag of the person who said this, but someone on Blue Sky said, and I tagged you in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: that, you know, you always talk about iPhone face, and they're like, this actor has the opposite of iPhone face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I saw that, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe this is a depressed medieval monk.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have apricot face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Apricot face.
[SPEAKER_01]: Apricot face is hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You had iPhone face to real face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you can have iPhone face and sci-fi.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can have iPhone face and in fantasy, it takes me right out of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think iPhone face comes down to acting for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there are just certain actors I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a point of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be honest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not a huge Sydney Sweeney fan and it's because I think she has iPhone acting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like I will only really have her in certain parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you seem like an influencer kind of person.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, we had some questionable behavior from growth in here, but growth in, like, you know, the corporation doesn't fight fair and we can either because growth is basically using threatening exposure to his ex-dealers kid as blackmail.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, all right, here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of currently having this discussion with the society, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because players within our society are, uh, they have very nefarious ends.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they are not playing fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for a long time, we've been like, let's follow the rules and the norms will protect us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that hasn't worked very well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're kind of having this conversation in society now of like at what point do you kind of fight fire with fire and does that fundamentally change your movement?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a tricky thing, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you don't want to be them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you also have to stop them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it is growth in, you know, is the one who has experienced and there's no one else in preservation ox would have even thought about this or gone through with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it worked.
[SPEAKER_02]: It worked.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And, and, you know, of course, it's hard to feel really bad for the dealer who's like, don't blame your addiction on me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And growth is like, you knew what you were doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also the dealer's clearly prejudice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, I thought you were on some bum-fuck planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I was and it's actually nice there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like my knee when he goes, uh, Oh, well, I thought you could handle it and he goes, Oh, you thought I could handle the drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: I were explicitly designed for addiction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was no chance that he could beat that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's an important thing is like
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you hear things like, well, just don't, don't try the drugs.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but like, what's easier on a societal level is getting getting the harmful substances off the street or punishing the individual.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, it's, yeah, it's, it's very easy to blame the individual, but it's really not very effective.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's, you know, when it's, that's why we see that painkillers are the greatest addiction problem because.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is why Geroth and did not want painkillers for that surgery.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, Geroth and had
[SPEAKER_02]: had a murder about to help out, but yeah, otherwise it's hard not to, you know, if you have painkillers and it crosses over with helping you deal with other problems, it's hard not to
[SPEAKER_02]: get stuck with that as a crotch as a solution.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And later, I really like that they have that moment where Gerothen comes in and just immediately vomits in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And men says, no, we shouldn't have done this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We put you in the microwave.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like shut up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just his stupid memories, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two months of sanctuary mood.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't believe Gerothen took any sanctuary mood.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like murderbocking, get that back.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's freely available to download later.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we recorded our episode nine episode, just a couple days ago, just because I'm scheduling.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I looked up the different soap operas to see like how they compared an episode type.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, our soap operas are way longer than Sanctuary Moon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, Rose, there are ten, that over ten thousand episodes, almost eleven thousand episodes of all my children.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's the other one is days of our lives?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think there's more of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say there's sixty seasons for sale.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are now fifteen thousand episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And murder bots like their world.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were two thousand nine hundred something episodes and that's supposed to be impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, man, there's something we do better in how then in the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is to have more episodes to have the longest running bullshit we can have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to hear from people who watch this show is, but I wonder how much they even resemble how they begin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know, Dr. Who, again, Dr. Who's only like, seven hundred episodes or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But actually, I think it's like closer to a thousand when you combine all the series.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, it's kind of insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: That like, these other shows were going like weekly for sixty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we're never gonna find out unless we get a new season.
[SPEAKER_02]: What happens with a flight officer, Sklaunch, or whatever, Jack McBrayer's character was.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be gotta find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did he escape the wormhole?
[SPEAKER_02]: they were stuck in the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that the Navbot was going to kill him, but anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who know, well, now we need, all right, if they cancel murderbot, we got to get sanctuary moon green lit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I would rather more murderbot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some, yes, someone was asking, which if you had to choose one, which would you go for?
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I want murderbot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want murderbot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that's such a unique show, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think that cheesy,
[SPEAKER_01]: A side show is only fun when it's in dosu.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like we could have a five minute webisode so something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that would be great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the webisode era?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a fun era.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gone now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody does that anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I've been going back to, like, for instance, Dr. Who, you know, I was looking up and they're like, oh, and don't forget the webisode is like, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We used to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was like a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, well, we're not going to post a full episode online because that would be crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll post these little side shows online and get you to our website.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder why they stopped.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess there's just too much extra fileness and now everything's just dreaming.
[SPEAKER_02]: So who cares?
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Who at least still has some shorts like for charity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they had the one with David Tenon in the doll.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Last couple years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not technically canon, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that wasn't technically canon.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really funny though.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That remains one of my favorite lines for this season is when Murderbot says when they're talking about the breathing and men says being incredulous and murderbot's like, it's canon.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I felt for murder bots in this whole situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, may I still have my armor?
[SPEAKER_02]: You won't need it.
[SPEAKER_02]: People won't be shooting at you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like silly murder bot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything's going to be better now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to be a security bot.
[SPEAKER_02]: A murder bot's like, but I am secunit without sec.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just unit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, murderbots having an identity crisis, I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it seems like murderbots made a new friend with the ship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like to call back also.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about all this when you get back.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, murderbots getting it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like no murderbots having trauma.
[SPEAKER_02]: Murderbots having trauma.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what's interesting, though, he says we can talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It says we can talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, yeah, yeah, but they don't invite murderbot to talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, okay, what do you want to talk about?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that and the same thing when they're all toasting murderbot murderbot doesn't have a glass and like I know murderbot can't either drink, but like
[SPEAKER_01]: the ritual is part of it too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could there be an equivalent, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: All this, you know, they're celebrating and murder box got the empty, placed mat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, they're not thinking about the ways the murder body is still different.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like just seeing what similar what's the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although we did get also gay at that call back from Rati speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I'm kidding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which of course, murder body said murder body would rather have an acid bath than give a speech.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, well, you almost got, almost got that acid bath.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, that was, that was,
[SPEAKER_01]: spooky with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost thought that that was murder about it first getting the acid bath.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and that they were going to like rebuild murderbot and then put the memories in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm glad that it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that it's still the same like bio tissue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although, yeah, how much bio tissue is the same as my murderbot was born where you don't create it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a ship of thesis.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's constant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I see where you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like how much how much of that tissue had been replaced at this point?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, same for humans, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's close out the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Checking the perimeter.
[SPEAKER_01]: When murderbot comes to the team informs that they have bought its freedom, it is no longer listed as inventory.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they intend to bring it home with them to preservation alliance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where Mensa will be its guardian until it figures out its new purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Murderbot lingers and tries to be a part of the team, although it doesn't eat and can't toast like the rest of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But in the end, it wants a chance to determine its own destiny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Being a security unit is all it's ever known, and it still has questions about itself to sort through.
[SPEAKER_01]: So murder about slips out in the middle of the night and looking to any onlookers like an augmented human it slips through the crowds and boards a bot driven transport ship to leave port free commerce alone heading toward a distant mining colony.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I wonder I mean if we get a season two I hope they pick up with the
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, murder about obviously doesn't care about the endless meanings and diplomacy, but like, I wanted to hear what is great Chris's parent company possibly have to say about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not, well, not sorry because that would be an admission of liability, but I feel for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a division that we did not have direct oversight over in Lala.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: We actually just sold those assets.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think for me, I mean, we'll talk about the men to goodbye in a minute or the lack thereof, but for me, the growth and goodbye was a surprising high because we got like, growth and did the whole thing to get murdered about to memories back and then said like, I just did it to mess with the company.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then shed real tears.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Dr. Garatham, I need
[SPEAKER_02]: to check the perimeter.
[SPEAKER_02]: You need to check the perimeter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was that was a really good heartwarming moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like between two people who are really autemotional outwardly, they did a great job pulling in my heartstrings from that whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that is the strength of the show is that it uses
[SPEAKER_01]: on emotional characters that tell an emotional story, kind of like what we were talking about with West Anderson, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: These, these like very flat effects, telling a very emotional story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a similar vibe here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think just to show that there's, yeah, different.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because we get, we get the full range of emotional outbursts and stuff from the rest of the team, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just everyone is different, but it doesn't mean murder bodies and feeling things.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I was so impressed with the scars, guys, performance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, I think, I mean, I think that they did only a moderate amount of CGI for this show, but I really like what they did with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked the design of ports, free commerce, that when we see it from the outside, it's like this homosexual organic, very alien-looking structure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then inside, they had that cool moment as murder about sleeping, where the ceiling is a projection of a sunset, and then they start just
[SPEAKER_02]: fading it down so that you can see the stars through the ceiling as it's becoming officially night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're really judicious on there on their whole CGI spending.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's important because this is a world where CGI one one is expensive and two takes forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is resulting in a lot of show delays.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they can just say like, hey, work on these few things, I'm sure that that helps that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I have to say the white the white says did not give me hope for an immediate continuation.
[SPEAKER_02]: They said there are ways away from getting to do it, which which says to me that Apple has not Greenland it and they do not know if Apple will Greenland it because I'm sure they sold this as this is a story that can be done in one season and if it does well, there's potential for more, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: is saying it's doing well enough in this era right now where everybody's cutting back on shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am so I don't see a lot of chatter about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I saw more at the beginning and I'm hoping that there will be people who are, who are binging it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know a lot of people are waiting to binge it, especially because there's a lot of talk about like this is a show that should be binge because of the short episodes and the, and the clip hangers.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, and the whites has also said that, you know, if they are green lit, the first thing they're going to do is strategize with Martha Wells because this whole thing about murder back going off on its own, I think they've talked about it in, in, in,
[SPEAKER_02]: interviews, I don't think it's too much of a spoiler to say yeah murderbot explores a little bit on its own and that means meeting new characters and so I was questioning I said a few episodes ago that I would say at the end of the season what I was thinking and I was thinking I wonder how they're going to get the group back in there because you don't want to
[SPEAKER_02]: lose the rest of the cast and they basically said they would need to strategize with Martha Wells, but they envision combining books in order to do that, which makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess we're not getting at any time soon, but I'm hoping
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm hoping that there's enough, you know, it's been consistently in Apple's top ten.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not been in a number one, but number one has been for the past week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stick, which is a golf thing, which I, it just doesn't have an overlap in audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: To say that, so hopefully that doesn't, isn't a mark against murder bond.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but everyone tell everyone to binge it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go binge it, everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go binge it and show all your friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if murder about we'll find you.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if there's news, we'll post it because we're recording as John said early in the week.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if there's news in the meantime, we'll report in the discord and on blue sky and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're setting it up like you brought up the making friends with the trading entertainment for transport to travel.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this is going to be a friendship with this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: If the.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he needs to switch ships, but they were setting things up definitely with, you know, we saw the stream of entertainment and the sharing it here and then we heard that their transport bots have neural networks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just just saying there's no one I'm saying Yeah, I'm saying there's a chance I'm saying the maybe transport ships are important But so they they're not jailbroken to download their own media's my question or they just didn't realize this kind of entertainment was an option.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think Murderbot could only, because the first thing Murderbot did upon breaking its governor module was to down on the media, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think they have access to the entertainment feeds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it seems like it, which sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have a bullshit job and you can't even watch TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because they don't see them as persons, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So they wouldn't even care to add that feature.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, why would you want to entertain yourself?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, again, it takes me back to last episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: What were those other secunits thinking about?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or I guess in this episode, are they just empty in the heads?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: That seems unlikely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did a traumatic experience give murder about more life mentally?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I'll, I might keep reading after this because I was like, I don't want to end after that ending.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think I'm definitely going to finish keep reading the books that are out after this after book two.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I have to say I think that the show version of the final words is a slight improvement for me on the book version.
[SPEAKER_02]: So should we compare, do you want to read the book version and I'll read the show version of the final words?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So book, so you give me the worst version.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said that at some point, I think, but it isn't that it's that I don't want anyone to tell me what I want or to make decisions for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I left you, Dr. Mensa, my favorite human.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the time you get this, I'll be leaving Corporation Rim.
[SPEAKER_01]: out of inventory and out of sight, murderbot and message.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the differences, of course, in an audio visual media, we can actually show the ship pulling away immense looking out the window.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they don't need to say that whole, like, I'm leaving corporation room.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they just say, I don't know what I want, but I know I don't want anyone to tell me what I want or to make decisions for me, even if they are my favorite human, murderbot and message.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I know the mag favorite human thing is a favorite line for a lot of people, so I'm glad they worked in in there, and I think it was even more emotionally impactful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we get like the yearning bitter, sweetly hopeful music at the same time, like it worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was a lovely first season, hopefully just the first season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If there's a season two, we'll be back right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be there with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's our team?
[SPEAKER_01]: We should come up with like a like a preservation ox.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's our, what's our polities name?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Paul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Laura Hound.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, how long.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Laura Hunt.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to hold probably several years to decide.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sounds like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But everyone's foundation, everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so you and Marilyn have already started recording your episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to hear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, we've recorded our first episode as of this recording in tonight, we're recording our second episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we are going to have a great time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we're both really enjoying the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've actually seen reviews.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't only seen the first two episodes at this point, so I can't talk before or after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, general thoughts are allowed at this point, like general impressions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people are saying it's like the best season yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so far, I'm on board with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just haven't seen the rest of the season yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And really, really liking it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you like the first two seasons, you will really enjoy the third.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've only seen the first episode so far, but yeah, I think that it's got me invested, you know, it's, I think it sets up the conflicts for this season well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it introduces a bunch of new characters, which, of course, this is show always does.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm fully invested in three of the new characters if we're counting the mule as a new character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, uh, I think you can count them as two characters and still new actors.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a vcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we barely got to see them last season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, send us your feedback.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lowerhounds at the lowerhounds.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a foundation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Email it's empire at the lowerhounds.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, you go to the discord if you want a chat about murderbot or if you want a chat about foundation or anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Media wise.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we just wrapped up Iron Hearts, which is another, it seems like that one really ended in a way that, I mean, I assume they're going to continue these character stories elsewhere, but who it sets some things up for the MCU?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Jean and I talked about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's out in the feed as is art.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I listen to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I listen to a little bit of the beginning because I want to get a taste of what it's about because I'm way behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have like thirty more hours in the MCU.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to watch before I get to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's really made me want to keep watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounded really great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we still need to do when things are coming down.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're finally going to do our MCU rankings for the Supercast and Patrons.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad I wrote mine down because I couldn't tell you my fresh thoughts anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but yeah, that's why I love Letterbox so much so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I finally knew.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we're in our friends on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so that's how I remember, you know, which movies I watched and what I thought about them at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But speaking of movies, one of my two obsessions of the year, cinematically, is twenty eight years later.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that episode is also out, including plus there's an episode before that about twenty eight days and weeks later in the Super Gaston Patreon feeds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we go really into zombies in media and how these films are changing the game.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what else is going on in Super Gaston Patreon?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so much stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have known us episodes for a lot of our content.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are doing Velk Hilmer philmfest this month.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he'd still in the lead.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't even played.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does he does getting more strongly in the lead.
[SPEAKER_02]: So behind it, there's still a chance for either Willow or Real Genius if people, you know, lobby behind one of those two.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it's getting hot in here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get your votes in get your votes in if if you're if you want at least a tie for heat and something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, I can't handle another tie guy guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got I'm making the notes this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm making the notes this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would kind of love a tie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talk about heat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and also, I think we're going to do an Emmy reaction coming out for the announcements coming out next week on the fifteenth.
[SPEAKER_02]: So sometime after that, we're going to talk about, it's a good chance to talk about a bunch of shows that I know we all love and are watching, but don't really get to talk about.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also superman's coming up, were you going to watch that right away?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try to, I'm going to see if I could make schedule and work, but I think I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, yeah, because a genre I think we're gonna do that Sunday recording if you're available.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let me know.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, and also the fantastic fours following shortly after that for steps and space balls coming soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're really spaceballs this month, yeah, especially because now we have spaceballs the sequel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so curious what it's going to be called in the end because in the first movie there's the joke spaceballs to the search for more money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, well, did you see the announcement for spaceballs to the
[SPEAKER_02]: the humor and it's for it's basically calling themselves out for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I saw that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that Rick Marinas is back too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't have watched it without him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's such a key part of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't do it without getting these key characters with these, yeah, those you can at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: right obviously you can't much on candy but yeah so after foundation the next regular coverage I think I mean I know David wants to do something with alien earth I'm not I don't want to speak for him on what his plans are with that there's going to be weekly peacemaker coverage and anizable condo one shot so stick around murderbot fans so it's lots more sci-fi coming your way very cool
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to have a fun second half of the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had a very busy first half of the year and I think the second half of the half of the year looks like it's going to be a little bit more chill but still with a lot of it's content.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a bit more reasonable because I was a thing is like we lamented not being able to go deeper into our favorite shows because they were all at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Taking a leisurely stroll through foundation with Marilyn has been a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to doing that, and I'm sure you're going to have a lot of fun with peacemaker.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the peacemaker season.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is my favorite thing in the DCEU.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm very excited to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is going to answer a lot of questions about the shift from the DCEU to the DCEU.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, very cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All have things going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got dooms stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I listed the part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to finish that episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now that I'm a doing guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably Howard.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are doing a bacon wrap talking about talking about all their fun stuff with Kevin Bacon.
[SPEAKER_01]: and never mind the music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Always doing music in psychology weekly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a really great podcast everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're not checking it out, go do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, even if you think you're only you're not necessarily interested in the song or whatever, it's just so interesting to hear how they draw these lines, these parallels between the way the song is composed and the psychology of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you learn a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can always, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can always catch up on radio actor ramlings with a fallout lore studio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ghibli all that kind of stuff rings and rituals with their rings of power coverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Star Wars kind of timeline podcast says you have new stuff coming soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, new stuff coming soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just trying to get this firmly closed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dune fully out and rolling.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I'm turning my attention back to the hyper public.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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