[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, and welcome to Baseball America's Future Projection podcast slash draft podcast, a little bit of a hybrid episode for us today.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're bringing the whole crew together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Carlos Glazzo joined by Ben Badler as always and Peter Flairty as always.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is our ultimate draft preview episode that's become a bit of an annual tradition before the draft for recording this on Thursday, before the draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: So tons of stuff going on, but Ben, how are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fired up Carlos.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to pepper some questions off you guys because there's nobody is as dialed in as the two of you guys when it comes to the draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Peter, how about you?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the same is everyone on the call super busy and very excited for both the draft to commence and also not to look ahead too much, but I guess also to close the book on this cycle and let's start talking about a new crop of players.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's always weird this time of year it's kind of the culmination of everything we've been doing for I mean for me a year for you guys multiple years at this point since you do so much work on our underclasses just to get us prepared for the next year's draft and set us up to have a good full draft cycle, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm definitely ready to see what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been talking about these players for a long time now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ready for kind of all this work to just culminate in a fun draft day, new format this year, just two days.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're kind of going to work through the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben's going to take us on a tour of the draft and talk through
[SPEAKER_00]: What we're expecting, what we're hearing, potential fits for teams, where systems are add and how this draft could maybe impact what your team is going to do on draft day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll try to summon the energy to get through this because I have to say this week has been a bit of a grind trying to get everything in place before the draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is a fun time of year this is what we do it for.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll just turn things over to you Ben and let you kind of take us through this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty quiet and eventful week in Washington Nationals land Carlos who's who's Mike Rick wait what's going on how big a big big shake up.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you see that changing things for for the nationals or does it change things it's got all this
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all this speculation recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's trying to figure out what it means.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to change you.
[SPEAKER_00]: They take like I've heard contrasting theories from people in the industry as to like whether it makes even holiday more or less likely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does this make it Anderson more likely?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it more likely that they do a deal?
[SPEAKER_00]: So everyone is like talking about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think anyone has any clarity on what it actually means.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that ultimately they're still considering the same pool of players, like the scouting department is still intact.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've done the work throughout this cycle to my understanding earlier on this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: They still had a group of six to eight players who were in the running.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine as we get closer to draft day, maybe a day or two before that group gets whittled down maybe to three or four players.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would assume that happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even all of the encade Anderson still seem to be the favorites.
[SPEAKER_00]: I continue to have a little bit of a hunch that Eli Willitz could be in play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's the favorite if they're trying to save as much money as they can.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very curious to see how much money they're going to save at one this year with a slot value of eleven million.
[SPEAKER_00]: The draft bonus record is nine point two five million.
[SPEAKER_00]: In recent drafts, the most teams have saved in this range has been a little over a million, one point six million is what Basana saved.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe the biggest deal that we've seen in recent years is when the Rangers took Camarrocker third and saved more than two million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would still be very surprised if the nationals had an off the board selection to the extent that Camarrocker was.
[SPEAKER_00]: So lots of lots of noise here for the nationals.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I think they know exactly who they want to pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me who I should put the eye.
[SPEAKER_01]: No spoilers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carlos, I don't want to ruin the draft for you tuning in on Sunday night and find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty big deal, right, to fire your GM or, I don't know, President, whatever his title was, Mike, because he was a leader and it's his call on who to pick in the draft if he's still running the ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a coincidence.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they fired him right before the draft at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not, you're not getting any new information on
[SPEAKER_01]: even holiday or ELI will.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's other than maybe signing bonus requests, but you're not getting any new, scouting feedback or new data on K-Danderson or, or whoever that you're looking at with the number one overall pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure all of the influential people in the decision-making process at the top of the national's organization, all know just like you know who you would take Carlos, if you were making that pick, you know Peter who you and I would be if you were making that pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: They all know that it was going to be for them if it was them making the pact individually.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, you know, they didn't just get fired because of the draft, the trade-led and the lights coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's other things that are going very wrong with the Major League team as well right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was a move designed to get ahead of the draft and get his voice out of
[SPEAKER_01]: the draft picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you think your your theories that riso had a player in mind and the rest of the leadership group there disagreed and that was a key reason is that basically what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, ownership is the one that has to make the call.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, on who to I mean, I guess ultimately really the decision come down to ownership on who to pick as if you're on the team you get to do whatever you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think yeah, they specifically wanted to
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they know who they're going to take.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're still going to say, hey, oh, we're deciding between three players, five players, A players, whatever, which makes sense for them to do because they want to negotiate as much leverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's deal as possible, not because they're being cheap because they want to, hey, if we can get a guy for
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the guy we like for two million dollars less or a million dollars less.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's more money we can spend on better players.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of the key for me is like, I could see them maybe having a favorite in the clubhouse, but I could also see them saying, Hey, we like a lot of these players to a similar degree.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to come down to money.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they're trying to get the biggest deal with that pool players they like, I could easily see it being the case where they haven't actually decided to get, you know, come down to which of their players that they have in that top group will take the deal they like the most.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel less confident than you do that they know who it is, I'll say.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The signability will play a factor into it, but I think they know what their board looks like.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they know who their ideal number is.
[SPEAKER_01]: If money set aside, but obviously can't just set the money aside, that's the right factor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the nationals did it last a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's different when you're picking
[SPEAKER_01]: What do they pick?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sever King last year, like ten or eleven.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they cut a deal there to get Luke Dickerson way way over slot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, last year, different when you're picking number one overall, but I'm sure the same thing where you're going to get the top player on your board at the lowest price that you can get them at right now, which.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a few days before, who would you guys say, who's your guest?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to be one one?
[SPEAKER_03]: Guess or who who you would take.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, who's your guess for what's what's going to happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know who everyone would take here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Guess Ethan Halliday Ben.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that
[SPEAKER_03]: that might be a somewhat hotter or a hot-ish take, given the, I don't think it's a hot-take at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was like, given what his transpire with Mike Rizzo, it seems like people are trying to say that it's now more likely to be Kate Anderson or Eli Wiltson haircut and my personal one one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still think they end up taking Ethan all day at one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's more, I think that if I'm Eli Willitz or Eli Willitz's agent, a lot more intrigued today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was maybe a couple weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it's going to be Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless I hear something compelling, it feels like Ethan Holiday is going to be the name that I feel most comfortable putting one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it would not at all surprise me if Eli Willis on a being in that spot for all the reasons we've talked about here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who Peter, who would you take if you were, I think I didn't mind, well, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got two big favorites I know in this class.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who would you take number one if it was you making the pick?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man, as much as I love Kate Anderson and as long as I've been beating the Kate Anderson SP well and drum, I'd take you like will it's at one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously part of that has to do with if I were the headhunter decision maker for the nationals and seeing what kind of a haircut I could get at one that plays in the loop.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think he has one of the better all around profiles in the twenty twenty five class get a chance to be I mean, the the hit ability and hit tool right now is already really polished like I feel very comfortable sticking to fifty five hit on him.
[SPEAKER_03]: The barrel control is there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to grow into.
[SPEAKER_03]: average power.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just as he naturally gets older and stronger, there isn't going to be a whole lot he needs to do to get to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's already got bad speed, the feel for the barrels there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a really good athlete on the dirt with an above average arm.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just there's a whole lot to like in a whole lot of buckets that he falls into that are really, really appealing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think he's going to chance to be a difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: Make her on both sides of the baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What about you Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: To that Hernandez.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the most upside in the class.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm taking a big swing high school right hand a pitcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: No don't care reservations don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a muddled class.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seth is as good as everyone in this class.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that I really care too much about
[SPEAKER_00]: looking bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Hunter Green should have been one one going back in hindsight in that class that he's in Jackson job looks just as good as everyone those taken in that range.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no there's no bat that makes me super getting excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do like Eli Willis.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's really well rounded.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fox choosing a hitter would probably be him wasn't choosing those to take you the holiday, but Seth Hernandez is the player who excites me the most.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he could be a front rotation one or two starter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the guy I'm taking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think there's a more than five percent chance that Seth Hernandez goes one one?
[SPEAKER_00]: I would maybe downgrade I think in the wake of the risen news I would downgrade the odds for Seth Hernandez to go in that spot just because the people who I would imagine now have a bigger say in in the move I just don't associate them with with operating
[SPEAKER_00]: I would associate them with more being like unwilling to take high school ready with their first pick, and especially maybe in the the first overall pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it just feels riskier than I associate with those scouts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious where how far down Seth actually goes on draft day from teams that are just too scared to take a high school right in a pitcher with a top ten overall pick or if he goes
[SPEAKER_01]: three, like right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can still go very, very high.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if he starts sliding a little bit, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, high school right in the future profiles definitely like the most likely to slide on draft day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if these teams start taking some underslaught deals on college bats that push him further down, I also think like of the players that are expected to go in the top ten.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seth Hernandez probably has fewer landing spots that are more teams that are just not going to do a high school right hand a pitcher with their first overall pick, just like philosophically, even if they like him.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just aren't willing to take on that risk.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he does get to a few of his hot landing spots in those teams go elsewhere, I just think there are fewer realistic homes for him compared to a Jamie Arnold or Liam Doyle or an IVR kit.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that makes sense, so there could be some risk.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if he goes at the back of the ten or outside the top ten,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be clapping for whoever scoops up Sathernandis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have the tweet ready to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much of your excitement for Seth Hernandez at one is just, I mean, obviously enthusiasm for Seth Hernandez and his combination of polish and upside, but how much of it is it also question marks that you just have on
[SPEAKER_01]: the hitters at the top of the class, especially a college side, but even on the high school side, whether it's with Ethan Holiday or EI Willets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's a combination.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are enough question marks with all the hitters for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, there's no like JJ weather, whole sort of hitter that I'm really excited about, even Charlie Condon pre-draft, just had a good combination of performance and power upside and like confidence in his hit tool, then that maybe we would downgrade now in hindsight, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I also think there was no high school pitcher in last year's class that was close to Seth Hernandez who was even in the running.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's just a combination of down hitters that are really excited about and Seth fits with the top tier of pitchers we've seen in recent years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think those pitchers have turned up pretty well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've been, keep, keep asking you guys a question to avoid answering it myself because I don't, yeah, I'm not even a hundred percent sure who I would take number one right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would probably lean toward Ethan Holiday, but any of these guys that we have in the top four on our board right now between Anderson, Will, its holiday, Hernandez, I think are all
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all very close together for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's not a fact that we've all chosen a different player.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think just speaks to why I'm not sure if the nationals definitely know who their guy is outside of the money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Eli, I agree that I agree with you, Peter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eli Willet is the most well-rounded player.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I wish Ethan Holiday could play a shortstop like Eli Willet's.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish he had the bat to ball skills.
[SPEAKER_01]: of Eli Willitz.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish Eli Willitz had Ethan Holidays power.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my biggest concern with Eli Willitz.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I still like, I don't think he's a bad pick at number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he should go in the top five for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess here's my question to you guys as we're like.
[SPEAKER_00]: the morning, the lack of well-rounded profiles on the hitting side.
[SPEAKER_00]: What scares you most about Seth Hernandez?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it something about his pitch mix or command?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it purely the fat that his high school pitcher?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you guys are more hesitant of that profile than I am?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the ETA?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Ben, you're generally more tough on just pitcher risk generally than most people.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess is there anything outside of the fat that he is a high school righty that gives you pause with Seth Hernandez's profile?
[SPEAKER_03]: The main thing I was going to point to is the high school right hand or demo.
[SPEAKER_03]: That one's a particularly scary one, especially this high.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the quality of the stuff is really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think when looking at like, when you whittle it down to that like one through three range, that's probably
[SPEAKER_03]: to rich for me with Seth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I consider myself low on Seth because I wouldn't take him inside the top five.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I would take him inside the top ten, but like I think I'm low on him because I wouldn't take him inside the top five.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really just the perfect that scares me off a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: How are you, Ben?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really scared at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's, I think he's a man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has a potential.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess he's a little older for the class who wants to be in the big leagues when he's twenty but twenty one is a health permitting, which is obviously a huge thing for pictures, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: risk and then okay how is he going to fare you know we see him against high school hitters so you see that but it's not the same as against pro arms but I don't see why his stuff wouldn't translate and not just the stuff but the polish study has the pitchability yeah the delivery everything is really clean
[SPEAKER_01]: So if he goes number one, I mean, obviously, I'd love to see it for the history, I think there's like a one percent chance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even less now of that happening, but no, if you want to take them number one, I don't think that's a bad pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so definitely a lot of options for the nationals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which, and all right, what about at number two, which college player are the, are the angels going to take Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if Kate Anderson doesn't go one, he seems to be the favorite to go to to the angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think everyone has kind of gotten on board Peter's train and push Kate Anderson to the SP one on the college side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Territory, and I just continue to hear Call of Drum, Call of Drum, Call of Drum with the Angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard that like,
[SPEAKER_00]: the college bat for them that they've typically taken in recent years and moved quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, isn't here in this huge class?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that means like they don't like i bar kit quite as much.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think there would be a prime spot for an underslot deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Names like iRish have been mentioned here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jojo Parker has even been mentioned here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jojo would be a little more surprising to me just because again,
[SPEAKER_00]: everyone associates them with college players are going to move quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so because of that, Kate Anderson seems most likely.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he goes one, I've been thinking Liam Doyle, then becomes most likely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hard to entirely count out Jamie Arnold, but most of the industry
[SPEAKER_00]: At least most of the people that I've talked to picking in this range have told me that they expect Liam Doyle to go before Jamie Arnold and Jamie Arnold just seems more likely for whatever reason to slip a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of how I see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really hear a lot of Eli Willets there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they like Ethan Holiday, but I don't think holiday is like an ideal landing spot at two.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would peg it, Kate Anderson, Liam Doyle, Jamie Arnold, probably at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Irish going to, who we have outside of our top ten right now is intriguing from the idea of, okay, yeah, it's another collegiate player that the angels I'm sure will push much faster than any other organization in baseball would see the big leagues, but they also have a pretty thin farm system.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, so if you're taking Kate Anderson at number two, I can't imagine you're getting much if any of a discount.
[SPEAKER_01]: At that pick, whereas if you take Irish to well you're getting
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess here's my question with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The slot value is ten point two five million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the draft bonus record is nine point two five million.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chase Burns just signed for nine point two five million.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really curious what the top in bonuses are going to be this year because it started to feel like no matter who you're taking at the top in recent drafts, you're getting some sort of a discount.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels hard for me to imagine Kate Anderson getting a significantly larger bonus than what Chase Burns got last year, but I mean, maybe he just will.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I, you're going to get a much bigger discount if you take like Irish there right to fill out the rest of your draft with better players in later rounds right and beef up the depth of a farm system that really needs a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're in full span sitting here and be like, there's no way they're taking someone that far off the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Haven't heard like Irish talked about this high like
[SPEAKER_00]: The angels had done this previously, Christian Moore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say he was like a super off the board pick, but he was a little further down from where they were picking last year, Nolan Shenwell, even more of the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I guy was does go to here, it would be very reminiscent to me of Heston Kirstad going to the Orioles in the COVID-Draft in the twenty twenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had him ranked in the teens that year.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Orioles really like to hit power combination, especially likely corner outfit profile.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of similarities here in terms of just the profile of Irish compared to cursed ad, the strategy of what that pick would mean for the angels and what they could do later on the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're one of the heaviest teams that gets kind of talked about with these underslaught strategies in the top ten.
[SPEAKER_00]: Peter, what are your thoughts?
[SPEAKER_03]: What about someone like a Tyler Bramner here is a, is a, is a, of course, he for me at least personally has been like kind of a late momentum guy in this cycle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I still think that they probably go with a couple of names before they go to Bramner, but sort of like the set that one obviously can,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like it's not a parallel comparison, but I'm curious your thoughts as to what the odds are.
[SPEAKER_03]: They go a little bit further off the board and stab someone like a bremner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've got you mentioned him because I do think he's like a legitimate option for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard they scouted him pretty heavily down the stretch.
[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned he was a great performer down the stretch.
[SPEAKER_00]: You struck out ten or more batters and I think six of his last seven starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he would be, in my mind, like the pitching version of I.G.
[SPEAKER_00]: Irish as a college player who could move quickly, that the angels could potentially save a lot more money on because Bremner's most likely landing spot in this class feels more six to fifteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then top five, and so it could make sense for Bremner's camp.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the angels think there's not a huge difference between him and the other college arms, they have available.
[SPEAKER_00]: which again, I think he fits solidly in this top tier.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a lot safer really in my mind to some of these arms.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that could be a realistic option as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who do you prefer?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a question that grew Tyler Bramner versus Liam Doyle and I guess it's probably
[SPEAKER_00]: We know you like Tyler Brimner Peter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was that's in the group.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been pretty bullish on Brimner for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would take him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like just that it's more of a prototypical starter look.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he has the tools to sharpen up some of the question marks that maybe popped up with the slider this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like some pitch usage or pitch mix just like
[SPEAKER_00]: how he's attacking hitters could be tweaked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the change up is one of the best off-speed pitches in the class.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the fastball shape is quite as insane as it looks on the UC Santa Barbara trackman readings, but I think he's got great, great movement and spin characters on the fastball regardless.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's one of the best control pitchers here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just think he's very well-rounded.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you look up in the performances as good as he's had in college despite a slower start in some critiques early on.
[SPEAKER_00]: How have you been?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the organizations that go to are going to be important for development because needed these guys are
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, nobody's ever a finished product, but these guys both have areas where they need to develop certain things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas, like with Kate Anderson, just like to throw them out there, like get out of the way, try not to screw it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think both of these guys, I'm very curious to see which organizations they go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I probably lean toward Liam Doyle, and then once they get drafted, see where they go, and I may end up change my answer after the drafts.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm with you, Loose, and team Bramner, the pitchability and stuff combos, really appealing, and it's a really smooth and easy looking derivative.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's much more of a starter look oil.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know it's something we've talked about now for the entire cycle, but I'm just more confident in the longevity and Bramner to stick an erotation than I am, Doyle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could be sitting here eating crow in like, in a years time, but I like Bramner as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the Mariners, big winners of the draft lottery picking at three, then they get a competitive balance pick at thirty five, pick again at fifty seven in the second round.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have three of the top sixty picks this year, including number three overall Carlos, who are the players that seem to be in consideration for Seattle and number three?
[SPEAKER_00]: Really all of the players that we've talked about so far seem to be in play.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe our cat becomes more likely here at this pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard the Mariners in on on Ivar Cat, our top college hitter on the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of smoke with Ethan Holidays name here, so if he doesn't go one, most people kind of assume that he's going to go to Colorado at four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if that's just like Holidays preferred.
[SPEAKER_00]: Laining spot or the Rockies are just more willing to give him a bigger bonus that teams in front aren't.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like the the mariners a lot of the guy the hitters.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've drafted high and they've placed a pretty heavy emphasis on Contact rates.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's guys like coal, young, cold.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it seems like a different profile than what they've gravitated toward with high school hitters previously.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why I'm a little
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I would have expected Eli Willett's his name to be brought up a lot more with them because that he feels very marinersish in terms of like what he does well on the hitters in the system.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also think like all the college arms here, they could be in play on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie Arnold makes a lot of sense for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard conflicting feedback about whether or not they're in on Liam Doyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard from some that they're in on him and from others who say maybe less likely for Doyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: If Anderson is here, he feels like he should be the favorite.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard a lot of people who say they think Kate Anderson's floor is three here for the Mariners.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also think that Seth Hernandez, I would say he's more in play here now than I would have expected maybe two weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'd mentioned that like Seth Hernandez is a possibility, but I wouldn't say it's likely they've been pretty locked in on Seth Hernandez this spring.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've scouted him hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't typically associate the Mariners as being a team that would go high school pitcher with their first overall pick, but it sounds like they could make an exception for that with Seth Hernandez just given how good he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this is one of Seth's most likely landing, not most likely, but I think there are a few hot landing spots for him inside the top ten.
[SPEAKER_00]: This would be one of them for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about the contact ability and kind of polished hit tool that Seattle has sort of leaned towards taking.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I was interesting to see I have a still there because the hit tool with him's training in the right direction was a career low strikeout rate contact rate approved, approved across the board.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, I think everyone on this call still has or podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, so has pause about I have a sit tool like there's some pitch recognition issues, some swing and miss again spin.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of curious to see what it looks like as a finished product and just how much I'll hit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not as concerned about him hitting for power and getting to eventual.
[SPEAKER_03]: No doubt plus power, but the hit ability or lack there of gives me reason to pause seeing Jojo Parker's name was really interesting because I think along with basically everyone he's someone that's really grown on me late in the cycle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think if the Mariners were able to, if you were allowed to trade picks that like the Mariners, Carlos, like, would they like to be able to trade down a little bit and get, get Jojo Parker?
[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit later because it feels like if you take him at three, okay, I'm sure you'll probably, or I imagine you'll probably get a discount and you can, you know, you have those extra picks later, so maybe it makes sense to, you know, move a guy down the board later on, pay him more with some of your later picks, but it also feels like
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, a lot of people really like Jojo Parker, including I know you Carlos, but is he the guy that you really want to take?
[SPEAKER_01]: Number three, how realistic could that be?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or does that feel like maybe just a little too high?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing the Mariners can be crying about where they ended up in the draft lottery this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think it could be realistic.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how we talked about all these hitters, like you guys both said, like, or maybe it's more specifically you've been.
[SPEAKER_00]: You were like, oh, you wish that Eli Willett had more power like Ethan Holiday, which Ethan Holiday made more contact like Eli Willett's.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think Georgia Parker kind of threads that needle to some degree.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a good combination of both hitting ability and impact potential.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's bigger than Eli Willett's, maybe not the same sort of raw power that Ethan Holiday has.
[SPEAKER_00]: probably also less likely to stick at short stops.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he is kind of this hybrid of the two.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does a little bit of everything well.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been running better this spring.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think he's massively out of place.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he's the player that the Mariners think is the one they're most excited about, I think you just take that player three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we'll talk about this a lot with the top tier of this class, but I don't see a ton of separation here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And with how baseball's draft works, you take a player in under slot, and it's similar to what a trade would be in other sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I wanted to pose to you, Ben, because I mean, Peter talked about this previously, and I think it's a fascinating conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can choose, if you're the Mariners, would you rather have the third overall pick?
[SPEAKER_00]: And the bonus pool that comes with, I think they would have been seventeen or eighteen,
[SPEAKER_00]: we did the math last time and I'm gonna get it wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: But essentially would you rather have the fifteenth pick and the bonus pool they have, seventeen million more bonus pool money than anyone, or would you rather have the third overall pick and the bonus pool you would have had at the fifteenth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's just say for this conversation, twelve million.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're either picking three with a twelve million dollar bonus pool or you're picking
[SPEAKER_00]: Fifteen with a seventeen million art bonus for this class specifically, which of those would you rather have?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking the third overall pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting a pretty much guaranteed top one hundred prospect right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys are the most valuable players who are at the top of the board.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though this year, there's not like a clear cut guy, but maybe that actually helps you in some ways when, hey, we're picking at three or say we're picking at four, even we could get the number one overall guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: on our board.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, you have a little bit less money to spend later on in the draft, but you can still find good players with later round picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just you're not going to be able to get as many like big overslaught, likely high school players later on in the draft.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I was going to say, I think I would have, I think I side it on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would take the pick, but I really went back and forth for a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was I was going to say me thinking about what I said.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess shows how interesting a question it is because I couldn't recall off the top of my head, but I think that I also ended up taking the third pick for similar rationale has been, you know, you're going to get a guy you really like it might not be your the guy on the top of your board, but
[SPEAKER_03]: You're gonna get a high impact prospect right away.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna be a guy that you're a huge fan of.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also like Ben said, you can still make a splash and later rounds and get kind of creative.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the Rockies pick it for Carlos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Give Rockies fans some good news.
[SPEAKER_01]: What can we expect from Colorado number four?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, it really sounds like the Rockies could wind up with the number one player on our draft board as a realistic option.
[SPEAKER_00]: The hottest rumor in the industry is that Ethan Holiday is not getting past Colorado Rockies.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like he's their guy if he's available.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in some ways, strategically, for the mock, it might make the most sense to just put Ethan Holiday for and then figure it out around that, which is a weird way to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's not Ethan Holiday, I've our cat is very popular.
[SPEAKER_00]: If both of those hitters are gone in front of them, which I think I had in the mock that came out on Wednesday, Liam Doyle then comes into play.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard there on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Eli Willis doesn't feel like a typical rocky tight player, but he should be in consideration here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jimmy Arnold would be in consideration here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So kind of all the same names.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a matter of who goes in front of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am curious how the pictures from the agency side navigate Colorado, because it always seems like no pictures want to go there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are a lot of pictures that the Rocky should be excited about.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for them, for the Rockies, it's almost like you need to draft pictures to get them, because it's so much harder to sign those guys in free agency.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they've got a decent mix of options here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hear Seth Hernandez a ton.
[SPEAKER_00]: with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if I'm, if I'm Seth Hernandez, I probably am trying to find other locations, but at the end of the day, the team can pick who they want.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just haven't heard his name associated with them too much.
[SPEAKER_03]: If there's a, if you're, oh, sorry, I go ahead about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, so they just, the chase dolder.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can see them going back to the college picture right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Ethan Holiday is not on the board, given the concerns to about the collegiate hitters in this mix,
[SPEAKER_03]: If they go picture here and more so they're debating between a couple or a few left-handed pictures and they go with Liam Doyle over Jamie Arnold that would be quite the pick.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know I'd have some thoughts on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't want to speak at a turn.
[SPEAKER_03]: First open is the top of the draft seems.
[SPEAKER_03]: Seems like if holiday goes on, Anderson probably goes to, if Anderson goes one holiday probably goes for.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now that I say that, it probably will not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all that feels like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The draft is always going to throw wild cars at us, and only one player up here would shake everything up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But those are the two most common paths we've heard.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not everything we can do to predict the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those do seem like the most likely outcomes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess circling back to an earlier debate with the Tyler Bramner versus Liam Doyle debate.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jamie Arnold versus Liam Doyle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess more of a parallel comparison just given the handedness and dexterity of both.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ben, are you still hashtag team Doyle or are you switching camps for this one?
[SPEAKER_01]: I might lean a little bit more toward Jamie Arnold and it is a little bit more touch and feel there with him to go with maybe not steady consistent performance, but overall he'll get the bigger picture track record of performance with Jamie Arnold.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still pretty strong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has traits that are going to continue to play up at higher levels.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's going to be a future number one starter, but I think he can be a good three potentially number two in a rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of why I come back to prefering Seth, which is maybe a hot take compared to a lot of the industry because I do think all of the college pitchers in this class are more likely to be solid threes than ones or twos.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe people have gotten ahead of me on Kate Anderson, but none of these college pitchers have shown the sort of strikeout dominance that we saw from Chase Burns, that we saw from Hagan Smith, that we saw from Paul Schins.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think there's a little bit less electricity there in the arsenal.
[SPEAKER_00]: They feel more like the bucket of ret louder to me, which I think are really good prospects, but I would just like maybe temper my expectations for what the ultimate upside is for these college arms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Cardinals pick a five overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the, what would be kind of the dream scenario for the Cardinals at five, who could be some of the top names for them, Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they, they continue to get really heavily associated with Eli Willitz and with Jamie Arnold.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like,
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like there's a pretty good route to one of those players being available there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Based on how we've talked about it so far, like maybe Jamie Arnold has more landing spots in front of them, but we also didn't talk about Jamie Arnold as a consideration for one and we did mention that with Eli Willitz.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both those players really seem to fit what the Cardinals like and have targeted in recent years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the Cardinals model has been as aggressive on young hitters as anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eli Willitz is one of the youngest players we've ever seen in this range on the draft board.
[SPEAKER_00]: one of the youngest players in this class.
[SPEAKER_00]: He takes a lot of contact.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's key for them with their hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: They tend to stray away from in zones swinging misguides.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Willis really seems to check all their analytical boxes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard they're really on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie Arnold kind of similar deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got this low release height that it sounds like they really appreciate.
[SPEAKER_00]: He throws strikes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He controls the zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these are the two that are most popular.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of any other guys that I've heard like super heavily associated with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they'd like kick the tires on the high school short subs that come up after them, Billy Carlson's Jojo Parker's of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also wonder a little bit about like Irish if they would be interested in him on a deal, but that's more speculatively.
[SPEAKER_03]: First, I apologize for coughing in an interview.
[SPEAKER_03]: I whiffed on the mute button, which is brutal feel by me.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it seems like if Wilets is there at five, they would be thrilled.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've heard from a number of people who just like don't expect bullets to get by them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, whatever that's worth.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess in the spirit of keeping these fun sort of debates and rankings going, how would you tear out the high school short stops with Willets Billy Carlson and a Corona high school in Jojo Parker?
[SPEAKER_00]: So our rankings have them Willets Carlson Parker.
[SPEAKER_00]: That seems to be the consensus of the industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Me personally, I would go Willets Parker Billy, just almost entirely driven by confidence and offensive aptitude and ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how I'd go.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Ben, what about you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like the progress Jojo Parker has made over the last couple of years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's really special over the last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a really good hitter on the circuit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Last summer, while I like the left-handed swing, I like the hitting ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely some physical upside.
[SPEAKER_01]: there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would lean out of lean Billy Carlson ahead of him still.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had more questions about Billy Carlson's hitting ability as an underclassman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never had any doubts about him at shortstop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you could.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so clean, so easy, so fully lid.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the best comments I got about Billy Carlson when talking to a scout was just
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes, I mentioned the glove, just kind of asking him what he thought about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of laughed and he was like, I could have my mom go watch Billy Carlson and they could put a plus on Billy Carlson's glove.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the most obvious thing to scout in the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just one of those things that you write when you watch him, it's just so clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a gifted defender.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think his main look we have in the top ten, so don't want to say underrated, but I think his hitting ability,
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some question marks that people have on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have as many on I think he makes a lot of contact.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really good hand eye coordination.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's really well coordinated.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can obviously see in the field and I think that shows up.
[SPEAKER_01]: at the plate to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's batspeed there too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that he's going to grow into a huge slugger.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of a narrowish, tight, slender body.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a lot of twitch in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see the twitch in the field.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see the twitch.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the bat speed so I'm I'm more optimistic he can get stronger continue to show more power.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Eli will it's yeah he's a better pure hitter even holiday has more power.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jojo Parker probably is more.
[SPEAKER_01]: power upside, but I also not totally sure where Joe Joe Parker is going to play.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be somewhere in the infield where it's with Billy Carlson.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have a true shortstop who I think has good contact skills, good bat speed, a lot of good traits and components to build on with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm in Loss's camp with here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Eli is pretty clearly the one-one session.
[SPEAKER_03]: It probably would have lived down to Billy versus Joe Joe.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I prefer Joe Joe to Billy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like the swing from the left side.
[SPEAKER_03]: The hit power combos really, really appealing with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think both will continue as he transitions in a professional baseball.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have way more questions about whether or not he'll stick a short stop like Billy is as big a slam dunk as you can get so I think that also sort of pertains to the point that we've seen with you know so many different guys and comparing so many different guys is like the given take you know across the woods like I wish
[SPEAKER_03]: X player had like well he has this trait I wish he had that like it that seems to be the case for nearly every prospect in the draft which is really interesting but yeah Brooklyn way back I'll I'll go Joe Joe over Billy
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, why can't we have a draft fast that just has like, fifteen Bobby what you knew so we don't have to worry about things can't they all be perfect prospects.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next year's going to be pretty good Carl.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the pirates pick it number six.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think so far they've nailed it with Connor Griffin last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do they go with another
[SPEAKER_01]: like shoot for the moon upside guy this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is I've our cat that version of it on on the college side big humongous physical shortstop with big power and maybe some hit risk questions or they go another direction you think Carlos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think the pirates do seem to be one of the teams in this range that I would associate more with, like, upside hunting than perception of safety.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so profiles like Harket, even though he's a call chitter, I think has some of those tendencies at her and Andas.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is maybe his most likely leading spot in the top ten, based on what I've heard, at least one of the hotter ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get tied to basically all the high school source sounds we talked about here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you lie, well, it's on the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they would really consider him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Parker, Billy Carlson, could make a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard quite as much of the college pitcher demo with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if a Jimmy Arnold or a Liam Doyle was there, like, do they take those guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard a lot of high school players associated with the pirates.
[SPEAKER_00]: in general this year, both for this pick and for some picks later on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it feels like they maybe just think they're going to people think they're shooting for Upside as this, maybe how I would frame it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like one of the corona high school guys, whether it's Carlson or Ethernandus, could fit here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, is this, is this too high for you for Iva Arcette Peter or does he start to even with some of the questions or I'll start to fit into this, this range of he's available here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good question.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it depends on how the Domino's in front of him fall.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, if somehow Eli Will, it's as available, I really don't think he would be at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would take him over, Iva.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're trying to take Eli Will, it's with every pig we're going down before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'd be an A-plus pick, but I think it would get interesting for me when comparing him and Jojo Parker
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I've really become a namer with JoJo again, not a hot take at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's pretty easy to be just given the the offensive profile with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I feel more confident in JoJo's ability to hit.
[SPEAKER_03]: and hit at a high level professionally, then I do Iva, but even though Iva's body type is unique and kind of interesting for the position, I feel way more confident in his ability to stick a short stop than I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know about way more, but I'm more confident in his ability to stick a short stop than I do Jojo, but
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that this is a fine and fair spot to start thinking really heavily about our ket.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, even fewer than six, I think is a fine spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just jumping in right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked to some people picking in the top ten who've told me they would be shocked if our ket cut outside of the top five, even.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it's because of the lack of college bats in this range, maybe it's because of the upside.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some paths for him to slip into this like six to ten range of some pictures going front if
[SPEAKER_00]: The form of these underslaught options that we talked about comes to pass, but it feels like this is a profile that like every team in this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll like to one degree or another.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've not heard of basically any team.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, oh, we're out on an Ivar cat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he, he probably is one of those profiles that is appealing to everyone regardless of of team philosophy or preferences.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I'm glad we take the six, five short stop with bad speed and plus power.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the pirates do take Seth Hernandez, I know you're going to be on MLB network calling it an A plus draft Carlos, but I also know that if the pirates take a picture, their fans are going to be pissed.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are, they look, they have good pitching right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they, in public channels, hasn't even, you know, scratch the surface of what he can do at the major legal level, yet they're top ten in the league in ERA.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're also have the, there's second lowest run scored in baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Connor Griffin looks really good right now, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond him, they need a whole lot more help with the bats on the farm system.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much team need do you think will or should play a factor into this pick for the pirates?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it should play a factor at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that JJ has written about and talked about how maybe it is becoming more of a factor and we're seeing teams operate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like if you can push your first pick in the top fifteen range of the majors in a year, it then makes some sense to consider teammate if you're confident that he's taking is going to move on that aggressive a path.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know that you can assume that they're going to move that quickly and I think generally like the age-old wisdom of just taking the best player available being the best move makes him a sense because
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the pirates could find a way to success by really locking in on what they've done well in developing arms.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you could become a really impressive run prevention team.
[SPEAKER_00]: That'll lower the floor for the offense that you need to be competitive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the pirates are one hit or away from
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, going on a consistent postseason run for the next five years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be more than just one pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if you see a scenario where in front of you on draft a Ethan Holidays out the board, he like, Willis is off the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've our cats off the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say, I like Irish goes off the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think it's likely that all four of those hitters are going to be in front of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you're looking at a situation where they're all these pictures that are kind of staring at you and they're no brainer picks on value.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think it makes a lot of sense to pass on them just because you would prefer to have a few more hitters in the system.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I think they've got to make some profiles like to make sense here on both sides.
[SPEAKER_03]: It should play no factor, like take the best player, take the top player on your board.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think you made this point loose on either the staff draft or the most recent draft podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: It all kind of blends together, but you were saying something along the lines of, you know, if you have a surplus of guys that you're really happy about in any given positional demographic, I think we're talking about infielders.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's take a short session.
[SPEAKER_00]: The age-old shortstop question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but like I think it applies across the board, maybe to a lesser extent with some positions and others.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to be complaining about having a surplus of guys that you're really, really happy you're excited about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time to find a board and figure that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it makes even more sense with short stops and pictures because
[SPEAKER_00]: You need thirteen pictures on your team.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pictures get hurt all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's never been a team in baseball that is said, we have too many good pictures.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, what are we going to do with all this?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is a real bright.
[SPEAKER_00]: The white socks just traded a front of the rotation starter for a collection of hitting prospects.
[SPEAKER_00]: It almost could, we said this was the Marlins recently as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had a draft where they took two really high-up side high school pitchers and Thomas White and Noble Meyer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's some sense to be made there if you think they're the best values and you also think your player development group is better equipped to maximize pitchers than hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Develop those players and then trade them when you need to or if you need to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that
[SPEAKER_00]: That is also a route to acquiring hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're following that route, you're also going to be acquiring hitters that you have less projecting to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to be acquiring more ready-made sort of hitters for the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even if people love hitters in the draft and hate when their team takes pictures over and over again, I mean, the pirates just lost a year to Conner Griffin.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a pretty explosive hitter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think they should be worked too worked up if they went up with a player like Seth Hernandez at six.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be quite excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about the Marlons picking at number seven?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, last year they take PJ Marlando with their first pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another who left handed hitter with Carter left handed hitting high school player with Carter Johnson.
[SPEAKER_01]: After that, they go back to the same round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go with either a Jojo Parker.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been talking about this case in Cunningham.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other super high contacts that
[SPEAKER_01]: left-handed hitting short stuff from Texas coming to play here or do they look at all the pitching that could be or should still be available on the board here probably not Kate Anderson but probably be one of those other guys like Jamie Arnold or Liam Doyle or potentially Kison with her spoon who we have pretty high but we haven't even talked about yet another collegiate pitcher what route do you feel like they they might go girls
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this feels like the range on the board were the same, like four names are really heavy for every team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's Billy Carlson, Jojo Parker, Tyson with her spoon, Jamie Arnold.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of these four.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like a little high for case and kind of game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, I think his action starts maybe a few picks behind this spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've actually not have said that about PJ Morelando last year though, when the Marlins
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they could, they could underslaught someone for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just haven't heard it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could speculate on all kinds of players.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they would underslaught here, but it's not something I've heard so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think that they're picking in a range this year where you've got access to some of the top talent on the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they really do like some of these short substitutes seem like they could be right in their range.
[SPEAKER_00]: Carlson, Carlson and Parker, in particular, get a lot of heat with her spoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, given their history, Seth Hernandez would make a lot of sense too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard him linked as heavily.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's in play here to some level.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say he's a favorite.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we are getting into the range now where I think if either of our ket and willets are on the board, they're not gonna last long.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think either our ket or willets get by eight essentially.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the lowest spot for them to pick after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we haven't talked much about Kison with her spoon yet, but we have him ranked in the top ten right around Jamie Arnold, Liam Doyle, a little bit at a Tyler Bremner right now to see fit into this range for you and what is your read on with her spoon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it sounds like it's a potential landing spot for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think to Lose's point, there are probably a few arms in a couple of position guys that consider maybe before with her spoon, just depending on who's available and what happens in front of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think you could be in play here as like a potential underrated Dark Horse name.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's seven, I don't really know how much of a
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, you could call a lot of these guys, dark horses, but yeah, I think that this is a realistic range form.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a really good year this year, plus fastball slider combo with in the strikes of improved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyson throws really hard and he also holds his fastball velocity really deep into games.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that could maybe be a separator for him compared to some of these other college pitchers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Kate Anderson and J. Meron have very good fastballs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Liam Doyle obviously has a elite fastball, but if you're looking for like kind of a classic right handed power pitching
[SPEAKER_00]: mix of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kison with her spoon has it and I think the big thing that's kind of elevated him into this top ten top fifteen range on the board is he just really showed improved control the greater depth of pitch mix.
[SPEAKER_00]: He broke out a couple different breaking ball shapes this year that were a little more diverse than what he's shown in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the delivery looks a little funky.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's clearly worked for him and he's an impressive athlete.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's going to be a spot on the board where people are looking up and it's like they're not a lot of power armed college pitchers with the sort of performance that he's shown this spring.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he had the single most impressive start.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw last summer, obviously, what he did in SEC play this year is, you know, speaks volumes and is a separate area of itself.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, last summer was kind of his coming out party.
[SPEAKER_03]: He carved through a lineup that I think had six or seven USA guys before he went to USA himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he held ninety five to ninety eight through five innings.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was three or four distinct shapes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was strikes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was it was really eye-opening and he just built off of that and and continued that the spring and put himself in a really good spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: the blue j's pick next at number eight and they're interesting because they also don't pick again until number eighty one overall so they there's a long gap between who they're going to be able to pick next how does how does that affect their approach or their strategy Carlos and what kind of players are they going to be
[SPEAKER_01]: hoping or could potentially be available here for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like they would love if one of I've arched Liam Doyle Eli Willets got to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Films unlikely that any of those three does, although I say this in every year.
[SPEAKER_00]: things that seem unlikely happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those three, if they got there, it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: If not, again, I think it's the same group of players.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Joja Parker is maybe, would be the top of their board and near the top of their board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Billy Carlson, I think Kyson with her spoon, just makes a lot of sense for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jamie Arnold is on the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can make a lot of sense as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think all those names are probably like the preferences for Toronto right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: This does seem like maybe the
[SPEAKER_00]: the best case scenario for players like Steel Hall or Case in Cunningham on potential deals or backup options if things get crazy in front of Toronto.
[SPEAKER_00]: I associate the Blue Jays with a lot of like model heavy players, Arjuna Malla felt like a very model heavy pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would not expect them to be in play on Seth Hernandez here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of how I would parse the Blue Jays right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: who would be the case in Cunningham, would he be a guy that would be friendly to their, you know, we don't know what goes into each team's specific model, but I got to imagine a guy with who can, you know, whether it's shortstop, second-based, somewhere in the middle of the field, but somebody who has his kind of elite contact rates who rarely swing his wrist is gonna come up pretty favorably.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I also wonder too, like cutting him versus steel haul, cutting him would certainly have the edge in that hit tool and maybe the contact skills, but you also look at the age.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the model heavy teams really penalize age for hitters, because in cutting him will be nineteen point one on draft day, steel haul, eighteen, one of the younger players in the class.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure how much they would, they would weigh that, but I would probably give the edge the younger player, but I've heard both their names kind of mentioned here, as not the favorites, but as like possibilities for, for the blue to add.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would love to see gunning him go on the top ten.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't feel like that's his most likely range.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think he more, he's more likely to slide further than steel hull, who seems like he has more of a chance to, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: which again like I think me and you would probably take cutting him because we have a lot of conviction is hitting ability but for whatever reason we continue to get questions for these shorter guys who maybe don't have huge power like if you don't think there are a lot of paths to value if you miss on the hit tool I guess it makes sense but I also view cutting am is one of the safer prospects in the class because it's bad is so good so I think he has a white range that basically is like eight to twenty five-ish or so
[SPEAKER_01]: If there's a, if there's a college player here that is available that we've talked about so far, whether it's,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, Bremner, Doyle, Eich Irish, maybe does Merrick Houston come into this conversation this high up or is this a little rich for him?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, yeah, I think it's a little too rich for Merrick.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll probably get into it more as we progress through this thing, but it seems like
[SPEAKER_03]: And or eleven could be one of the earlier spots for Merrick.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that the college position guys that, or just the college guys in general that would kind of stick out here would be, you know, maybe it's this is the floor for either our cat like Lo said I don't know or even think that he'll be there, but
[SPEAKER_03]: I think whether it's Jojo Parker and arm or I have our cat.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the blue jace here are going to get someone that they really, really like and are happy about getting them at eight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, I think you could say the same thing for anyone picking inside the top ten or you could stretch that out to top fifteen, top twenty or even the first half in general.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think that they're going to get someone that they really, really like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they had a pretty good meeting with Tyson with her spoon at the Combine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he would, if he's, if it's not one of these high school short stops, he might be one of the favorites for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much do you think that moves the needle?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like knowing who they're talking to tells you something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Knowing who these teams are actually taking the time to talk to and spend the long time talking to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly they're interested in him or they would say, you know, we can prioritize our time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise,
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think they like him in general and that it's just another piece of that for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's I don't think like you're going to walk in as twentyeth on the Blue Js board and have a good combine and walk out ten, for instance.
[SPEAKER_01]: The number nine overall pick Cincinnati Reds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carlos, we have Seth Hernandez number two on our board.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've talked about him for some potential picks ahead of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about him, maybe with the Mariners, brought him up with the pirates, maybe a Marlins.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it does seem like maybe there is a chance he gets here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a realistic scenario for your Cincinnati and is that something that maybe would appeal to them?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like what they be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like he gets here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what their priority is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, for a number of these teams, which is why we don't think it's going to get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like I've our cat would be ideal for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reds almost feel like the floor for a lot of these guys that we're talking about because they seem willing to take the high school pigeon profile on Hernandez.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say they're like the second hottest team inside the top ten is a potential landing spot for Hernandez.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pirates, Reds, Mariners feel like the heaviest for me there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they're preferences to get a hitter or to get a pitcher, but everyone thinks that if like a Jimmy Arnold is here, if a Tyson weather's been is here, they would make sense for the reds.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tyler Bremner would be a real possibility here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is maybe where Bremner's like a realistic landing spot becomes a little more solid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in this range, this like nine to fifteenish, sixteenish range.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Irish is a guy that
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard they like for a while now and while a guy rich seemingly has a lot more landing spots in front of them than he did a few weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Part of that is because a guy rich did not go to the combine and so he did not or he didn't participate in the medical combine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he doesn't have that like seventy five percent minimum slot value assigned to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're looking at a guy rich has a deal cutter, you can be more aggressive in what you can like actually offer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same or about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you go
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you go to the, this was like everyone called it the Kamaraka rule, essentially, if you go to the combine and you participate in the medical evaluation, you are guaranteed, you have to be offered at least seventy five percent of slot value.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thinking is basically like if you're going to give your medicals to teams before the draft and then they take you with that information, they can't then come back and say, oh, something came up in your medical.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're offering you like a super low amount here now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's supposedly like,
[SPEAKER_00]: a way to protect the player.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a lot of agencies who just don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: make their players available for the medical combine because they don't want to give the medical information out before the draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like strategically for the team, I think, or not for the team for the player side of the agency side, there's nothing stopping you from giving medical information to specific teams without going to the combine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you know that like you would be willing to do a deal higher up on the board and a team is interested in that in the seventy five percent minimum would maybe
[SPEAKER_00]: Undercut some of that, there's nothing stopping you from not participating, giving your medical information to the team so they feel good about it and if you have nothing to hide, and it just gives you a little bit more flexibility if you're trying to move yourself around the board like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Baseball straps isn't incredibly complicated and kind of dumb sometimes, but this is where we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does seem like Peter that if you want to college arm, one of these arms is going to be available here, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Kate Anderson, okay, he's sure he's going to be gone by now, but whether it's Jamie Arnold, Kison, whether Spoon, William Doyle, Tyler Bremner, if you're picking at nine, it seems unlikely all of these guys are going to be gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: by this point, if you're looking for a college arm, you could have somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe the guy that maybe a team has reservations about a certain player, they're like, you know, for whatever reason we're out on this guy, we're much lower on him, but it does seem like one of these guys is still going to be available.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, if you're honed in, if you're the reds in your hand in on that college pitcher demo, I think
[SPEAKER_03]: one of the quartet of Jamie Arnold, Kyson Weatherspoon, Tyler Bramner, Liam Doyle, will be available probably the most likely two would be Kyson and Tyler Bramner at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Potentially.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, actually, Jamie was mocked at ten of the most recent mock draft that was released yesterday, but bottom line is at least one I think will be on the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard for me to like someone of this group.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a group of twelve players that seem to be associated at the top of the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's everyone we've talked about right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you've been hearing all the consistent names.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not all those twelve can obviously come in the first ten picks, so someone's gonna slide really difficult to know who's most likely to.
[SPEAKER_00]: As we've been talking about the reds, I think a lot about the pirates would them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've done similar things in the past, they're associated with similar profiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reds have done a really nice job with pitching in general with their development, Brett Latter and Chase Burns have been their last two picks when picking in this range.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very different types of pitchers too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think both teams who could use some more offense generally, but our teams that I wouldn't think would steer away from an arm just because they need more offensive.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't view the best available bat as comparable or better than the best available arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the white socks pick at ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their needs are everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: What direction do you see them going in Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would assume the most likely it's just like whichever one of these names we've talked about who slides here is the pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard they really like Billy Carlson and Chojo Parker.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they had their way, maybe those two are the favorites.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are a number of scenarios where neither of those players are available.
[SPEAKER_00]: given what they've done with these low-slot left-handed pictures.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jamie Arnold makes a ton of sense to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he's still on the board, I've heard they have been scouting kison with her spoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard them on Tyler Bremner.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think this is really the range where the board could open up quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: You start to hear more names like Casey and Cunningham.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jason Laville let.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't expect him to go here, but this feels like that maybe the highest realistic landing spot that he has.
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, it's the earliest team I've heard mentioned with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Gavin Keelen is a real possibility for the white socks here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like they had some higher-ups really scouting Tennessee down the stretch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think it was to see Liam Doyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they expect him to be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Keelen seems to be the next Tennessee man up after Andrew Fisher.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of noise with Keelen.
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of different profiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are kind of the names that I'm mostly hearing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Peter, they took Hagen Smith last year with their first pick and not that the guarantees that they're just going to take another college lefty, but how would you compare or stack up?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they all seem like very different pictures, but how would you stack up Hagen Smith against Jamie Arnold or William Doyle if they do go another college lefty this year?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think him versus Jamie Arnold to begin there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think what stands out right away is Jamie has a plus not only does he have like a viable third pitch at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Hagen Smith split change was kind of a show pitch that would flash.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jamie has a plus third pitch right now has changed him now the field for it isn't great.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's actually said at times like you know the movement on his is hard to harness or difficult to harness and kind of adverse his command of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's a plus fastball slider combo like it is with Hagan.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hagan's probably has a little bit more thunder and on his fastball than Jamie does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I'd give Jamie the advantage and the pitch ability and strike throwing department.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I guess you could just call it command.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then also in the third pitch department as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then with Liam Doyle.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doyle is a very interesting arm for a number of reasons, and I would prefer Higgins Smith to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously Doyle's Fastball is a seven-degree pitch.
[SPEAKER_03]: The split change that he deploys in the cutter, particularly the former, in the split change, is I think a better offering than people give him credit for.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but he really just dominated with his Fastball this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a really just kind of a one-pitch guy, two-pitch guy type of deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly Hagen's second option in his slider is a lot better at this point than Doyle's second option in his split change.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I would say Doyle, excuse me, I'd say Arnold.
[SPEAKER_03]: perhaps advantage over Smith, tough.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Arnold and Smith are more comparable.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would say Smith is a clear advantage over Doyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carl, where are you at on Liam Doyle?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the fastball, I don't think anybody really questions that I think there's maybe a more of a split, so to speak, camp on the secondary stuff and in terms of like,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're a Brian banister and you're the light socks and you're looking at them, you're like, hey, there's actually something here that we think is something we can tease out a little bit of a better or whether it's breaking ball splitter, change up something.
[SPEAKER_01]: in his arsenal that he's not doing right now or is it just a usage thing where hey he's just throwing too many fastballs like where where are you at on him or what are you hearing on what different people are are thinking about how we enjoy projects and what could be the next right in his
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's clearly not throwing too many fastballs now because he was the most dominant college pitcher in baseball this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the forty two point six percent strikeout rate he had tops everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think our group here at BA is lower on Doyle than the industry is this why we haven't more we do in our rankings.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a thought that you can't teach the sort of fastball that he has and there is some confidence that the secondaries, there's lots of work with there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard that there's some analysts who really like the change up now who are excited about what he can do with the slider.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think also like watching what Chase Burns has done so far is a nice test case for just me personally, as like not being too bent out of shape over how deliveries look.
[SPEAKER_00]: If a picture has shown, they can throw strikes at a high level because that was always kind of the sticking point with me with Chase Burns.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, there's effort here, the delivery is like a little intense, but Chase Burns for three years showed that he could throw strikes and fit as a starter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was more confident in Chase Burns' secondaries than I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: with Liam Doyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot more present like secondary stuff to value with but Doyle has for three years now posted a solid walk right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's right around the like seven to eight percent mark for three years and
[SPEAKER_00]: The delivery is not what I would want to see, but it works for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there are a lot of teams who are mostly like, hey, if you can throw strikes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe I don't know if we've touched on this too much with Doyle, but he does a really good job locating his fastball where he needs to for that pitch to play.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like everything is at the top third of this strike zone above the zone.
[SPEAKER_00]: He generates a lot of whiffs.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are just some special traits that Doyle has that teams are excited about.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's upside potential here with him that teams are excited about.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the things that he maybe doesn't do great or that are concerning teams feel confident they can help him improve in those areas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Peter the A's pick it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eleven.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have had some really good results from their last two picks from college hitters, Nick Kurtz, Jacob Wilson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously doesn't mean they're going to go back to the college route, but it does seem like okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking for a college hitter and you're picking the top three or four picks this year, maybe not the year for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it does seem like there's more collegiate hitters that open up in this range.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they took Tyler Soterstrom, he was a high school catcher who you're drafting basically because you think he's gonna mash.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was in twenty twenty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does I Irish fit?
[SPEAKER_01]: That mold or what other, like if you're looking for another college hitter here, who could be some options for the athletics?
[SPEAKER_03]: If I garage is on the board, you certainly fits the mold of someone that's probably appealing to the athletics here.
[SPEAKER_03]: The hit power combo with him has long been lauded.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd say a handful of other names to sort of keep an eye on or have him kill and bring in summer Hill.
[SPEAKER_03]: Perhaps even Marick Houston and Vahevo Loy would say Brendan Summerhill sticks out a little bit as does Kelen really just that entire quartet I think is is potentially in play as early as eleven and this could be you know it might not be eleven but later on in the teens is where a run of college hitters could start.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is I'll be curious like who the industry points to is like the next up college bats after Irish and in our kit are off the board because it feels like there's a kind of a a galab of names that I'll make sense in this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard them really heavily associated with Tyler Bremner.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've mentioned him a few times as like maybe a backup option or maybe in play a few spots in front of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of his like earliest most likely landing spots if that sort of distinction makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other one I heard recently that I hadn't heard previously that I think is fascinating was cruise schoolcraft.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like the A's are actually interested in him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't feel like a very A's is pick, just given what they've done.
[SPEAKER_00]: In recent years, but I think that pick would be a lot of fun because Cruz is like a completely different profile to these like polish fast moving.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they're safe but like Jacob Wilson and it hurts certainly feel like some of the safer profiles you can get in the draft and cruise schoolcraft is like the antivysis of that as this huge six foot eight prep lefty who has huge stuff but needs to come a long way just in terms of the consistency so
[SPEAKER_00]: I think schoolcraft, I think I mentioned it with someone else, Kayz and Cunningham, but cruise schoolcraft might have the single biggest range of outcomes because he could go in this spot and he could go in the third round for similar bonus, just given how we've seen teams tackle pictures.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, keeping out for that one, even if he's maybe not the most likely here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they have gone the high school route with some of their later picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: in other years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, yeah, that'll be kind of be fascinating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it would be a reach for you if they took him here or do you think it could be maybe he's in play with one of their later picks more likely?
[SPEAKER_00]: But we talked about guys like Gavin Keeland, Beheva, Lloyd, Brendan Summerhill.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got those players ranked, twenty, twenty, two, sixteen on our board.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have cruise schoolcraft ranked twenty one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a similar talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think most teams are just more hesitant with what they do with the pitchers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cruise schoolcraft brings you more upside the need of those college hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a lot more risk.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think it would be a crazy pick on talent here.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about the Rangers picking number twelve overall?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you hearing on them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this sounds like it's the absolute floor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you very, very close to it for, for Jojo Parker?
[SPEAKER_00]: Outside of the blue jays, Jojo Parker's name is brought up is much here with anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like it sounds like they really want to get him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear them associated with a lot of baths generally.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like they might really want to get a bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mary Custon, Daniel Peer, Steel Hall, Gavin Keelin, Brent Somerhill, Vahiva Loy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't sound like cutting him as maybe a realistic fit for them at twelve, which would be an obvious maybe tie into make on talent and just geography, but it sounds like this is maybe not a landing spot for cutting him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder too if like all the hitters going front of them and I got like with her spoon slides, well they just say okay we didn't expect him to get here so we take him.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of the route I have them going in the most recent mock.
[SPEAKER_00]: But mostly I'm hearing hitters associated with the renters.
[SPEAKER_03]: If they get withers to him here, I think that'd be a major win because I very well could see him going inside the top ten, perhaps even top seven or eight picks.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if the domino's fall where he ends up at twelve and kind of sitting in their laps, I think that would be an A plus pick for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we saw a couple of years ago, the, uh, prayed in Montgomery.
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of years ago, it was last year, jeans, uh, prayed in Montgomery.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you've called it slid, but a guy we thought would go in the top ten picks went number twelve overall to the red socks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there one of these college players who seems more likely than most to, if you think one of them could slip, this would be the guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not including Bremner in that group, it does feel like Tyson with her spoon is most likely of the college tier.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see a scenario where like Irish tribe, our cat fall, the lefty seem to have more landing spots inside the top ten than with her spoon does.
[SPEAKER_00]: So probably that's kind of in my thinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd just say, yeah, to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Rangers also, I should note, like the Rangers,
[SPEAKER_00]: are not going to be a team that fuels trapped by consensus rankings.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are very much operating under their own process with their own scouts.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not afraid to take controversial picks.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've done this at the very top of the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've done this with picks in the second and third round range.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm always curious to see what direction the Rangers go.
[SPEAKER_00]: They feel like a very like podries sort of team to me in some ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious about when you said like Irish is unlikely to slide because he is a catcher who doesn't really catch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is it just that much conviction in his bat combined with the lack of elite college hitters this year?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've talked to some scouts who don't think he's a catcher at all and still think he's going to go I because there's just confidence in the bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a lot of college hitters to be excited about and if you're looking at like
[SPEAKER_00]: A majority of these teams in the first round would like to get an impactful hitter on the college side in the draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the most appealing profile generally for all teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look around this draft class, there is not a lot of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of hit tool risk with some of these college hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: The college hitters you don't have hit tool risk don't have much power or you have questions about like the power they'll get to.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I really think Yale ultimately just is like a lot of confidence that he's a really well-rounded hitter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to see him continue to catch in pro ball because we've seen so many catchers in the past get get knocked for their catching ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, making impressive strides and become better than we expected.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I got rid of any worse a catcher right now than Austin Wells was as an amateur.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's a better athlete with a better arm.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would love to see him develop that catcher and see what he can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, like, I like him either way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bat is good enough to move off to another position in the catching development question is an exciting one that would offer it's on a website if he can't stick there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Peter, the Giants pick a thirteen in the last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: They took a Peter Flaherty favorite in James Tips.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his tips have
[SPEAKER_01]: The offensively, at least, similar to like Irish, is that kind of profile he is or is it a different type of offensive player?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think coming out of Florida State, it was, you know, he was touted for his hit power combo as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that there are some similarities there in the well-roundedness at least in their respective draft years, but it sounds like the smoke around San Francisco at thirteen is they're pretty honed in on the high school shorthop demographic.
[SPEAKER_03]: It'll be interesting who's still available because you know, you'd be looking at, you know, not necessarily a thinned out group, but Jojo Parker really Carlson Eli Willett's all probably are gone by this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that kind of leads you into tier.
[SPEAKER_03]: One B or Tier II that includes guys like Daniel Pierce, Steel Hall in case some cunning him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, case in cunning him is a really interesting one.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is, you know, drawn comparisons for his polished hit tool and a plus hit tool at that to a favorite of ours been in Kevin McGonagall.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't quite have the impact.
[SPEAKER_03]: that McGonagal did as a prepster, but I mean, the barrel sense is off the charts.
[SPEAKER_03]: The bat to ball skills are really, really good.
[SPEAKER_03]: He gets his barrel ball parts of the zone like he's a pro-hitter.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, it just depends upon which route I think San Francisco wants to go here with this pick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Steel Hall's a really interesting one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Steel Hall is going to be a really interesting name for a number of teams just because of the athleticism and upside that he has.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think if you, I mean, look, it's the Latin American scouting department making this decision signing, Joshua, Gonzales, but I think athletically twitch wise, a lot of similarities between steel haul and Joshua.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gonzalez and similar question marks just about pure hitting ability to I mean both plus plus runners still all might even be better than that but a lot of a lot of twitch a lot of bats bead with Joss War for not I need neither guys that big of a guy but they're both Premier Elite athletes Carlos obviously Buster Posey I mean like he's been there before but now he's
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very much the guy there.
[SPEAKER_01]: How much does his presence change things for the draft or things going to be running a, I mean, look, because the scouting department is still still intact.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that not really make much of a difference this year?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could actually make a more of a difference than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's a, I don't think it's like a subtle shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, bus proposal has been pretty vocal about like talking about the value of scouts and how they want to be scouting oriented.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a perception that this giant's pick will be much more scouts centric than maybe in the past, whatever that might mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think often sometimes the scouts and and the analytical
[SPEAKER_00]: people in a department will be locked in on the same player so sometimes it won't make too much of a difference but it does seem like there has been at least some sort of philosophical shift and like how they're going to approach the draft they're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't seem like they're quite as locked in on being analytically inclined.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm thinking like a lot of these high school athletic upside short stops could make a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Rangers, we hear a lot of bats associated them with them generally.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure whether or not that has more to do with like the likeliest profiles available here or like their intention to actually get a header.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if a bremner or whether spoon were available does that mean that they just pass on this guy's because they want to bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure, but I think a hitter is more likely than a pitcher for them at thirteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about Tampa Bay picking at fourteen overall?
[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of buzz are you hearing on them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the biggest buzz with Tampa Bay on this, as we were recording this podcast, the raise in the Orioles made a trade, according to Ken Rosenthal, the raise acquired, right hander, Brian Baker from the Orioles for the raise competitive balance pick, the thirty seventh overall pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that does actually shake up
[SPEAKER_00]: some strategy here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That that thirty seventh overall pit came with a two point six million dollar slot value.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I did some quick math here as we were podcasting the razor now looking at a a fourteen just over fourteen million dollar bonus pool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Orioles who will get into later now have the biggest bonus pool of every team at nineteen with just over nineteen million.
[SPEAKER_00]: The race that are still sitting in a really good position here, they have more pool money than anyone in front of them going up to the Marlins at seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they have more pool money than anyone behind them going to the Orioles at nineteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they could be in a driver seat with a lot of profiles that maybe slip into this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think of the race as a team that's pretty willing to go with a lot of different demographics.
[SPEAKER_00]: Steel Hall is a name that I've heard pretty, pretty heavy with them recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the pick we had in our most recent mock draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of high school short subs actually I've heard tied to the race is maybe it's like where the run of the second tier of high school short subs goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler Bremner can make sense if he's available here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think all the college hitters that we're going to start talking about, Keylin, Vahiba, Lloyd, Mary Custon could make some sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think I've talked about this in the past, but the raises are always feel like one of the hardest teams for me to tab from like a profile or tendencies standpoint then.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts on like, what the raise have done or what they're likely to do or likely to covet if you have any.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you take Theo Gillin last year, tools a high school player the year before you go break in Taylor, just a very steady, Eddie college player, Xavier Isaac the year before that, who's just a first basement with gigantic
[SPEAKER_01]: raw power but maybe a shorter track record of performance in swing and miss risk that we're seeing now both the upside and the risk and the big Xavier Isaac fan and then the year before that you go Carson Williams really good defensive high school shortstop with a lot of swing and miss risk that does become extremely elevated
[SPEAKER_01]: this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not like one specific type of player where you have certain organizations where you're like, all right, you feel pretty confident that this is the type of profile they're going to lean to whether it's with their first wrong pick and then certainly later in later rounds or certain types of players that they're going to gravitate toward.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem like there's
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it doesn't seem like there's one profile that the rays truly hone in on and at the expense of other types of players.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about after that, we've got the red socks picking at number fifteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carlos, what are you here on the red socks at fifteen?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the red socks I think are going to mark a bit of a shift in philosophy or urgency.
[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of are the start of this really analytically inclined run of teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the red socks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, pull on my order here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Red Sox, Twins, Cubs, D-Vex, Orioles, Brewers, Astros, maybe even, you can lump the braves in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: This run of really analytically inclined teams that all get tied to a lot of the same college hitting profiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the range I would expect names like Brendan Somerhill, Gavin Keeland, Marry Houston, Andrew Fisher, maybe Gavin Feene is one of the most popular high school names for all these teams in this like, fifteen to nineteen range because Gavin Feene's summer performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: and battle ball skills were so impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year and a lot of these teams really value that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so if Gavin Feene is gonna come off the board early, this feels like potentially one of the earliest landing spots for him with this range and with the Red Sox in particular.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would assume the Red Sox are more likely to take a bat just given that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if names like Josh Hammond would come into play.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Steel Hall would have to be in play here on the high school side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's certainly they've been willing to just take whoever slides to them if someone does.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I can Irish makes a ton of sense for them if he's available.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this kind of work, we're kind of nearing the range where if I grew Irish's out the board, I wouldn't expect him to get past fifteen or sixteen with their red socks and twins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Peter of those college hitters that Carlos ran through, which are those guys would be the most appealing to you, setting aside maybe like Irish for right now, because we've talked about him quite a bit and probably didn't seem like he's gonna be still available here, which are those guys are the most appealing for you if they're available.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so assuming Irish is off the board and I guess just isolating everyone's offensive profiles,
[SPEAKER_03]: I probably go with Gavin Kielin actually, I mean, Brandon Summerhill is the steady eddie player of this group.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there isn't a plus tool there with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He just does a lot of things really, really well.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a great body.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got a chance to maybe stick and center field.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Kielin, you know, he really stands out for
[SPEAKER_03]: The hit ability, the Betta ball skills and barrel skills have always been advanced, but he made a handful of tweaks this year to a set up and just approach in general that paid really positive dividends.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he was a kind of a free swinger during his time in Louisville was really, really aggressive.
[SPEAKER_03]: He kind of harness that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: started to do you know swing it pitches he knew he could do damage on and kind of wait and get more patient and and you know go after pitches and his nitros own.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it led to a little bit of an uptick in power.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got the ball and got the ball up in the air more.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there were some mechanical tweaks as well that allowed him to tap into some more impact.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the hit ability has always been there with Kelen.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a second base only defensively.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not a great athlete.
[SPEAKER_03]: The injury history, especially with his hamstring is a little bit not worrisome, but you know, somewhat of a wart.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I go with Kelen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kelen also was drafted by the Red Sox out of high school in the twenty-two class in the thirteen rounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like clearly they like him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he's only improved now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would feel odd for mostly the same group being there to dislike him now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it seems like those guys with pretty high end batable skills.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, I mean, do you think Summer Hill and Keel and certainly fit that build?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think those guys have a chance for some untapped power potential to
[SPEAKER_01]: for the one socks to unlock a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some are hills a little bit more intriguing to me than keyland for that because I think there's a little bit more physical projection with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the body is a little bit leaner taller.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just more space for him to add mass.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually think Brennan Summer Hill will be a really fun addition to the red socks given what they've been able to unlock with their hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although I think a lot of different hitting profiles are interesting to move the red socks because they've done the add more power with Christian Campbell.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've done the
[SPEAKER_00]: power hitter who maybe needs to improve the approach a little bit of the Roman Anthony.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like Luke Stevenson and Jay Slavvy let would be interesting to me for the red sauce.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're on those profiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard that and I think they maybe would even be just out on those here at fifteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's hard to be a hitter and not be excited about like what your life could look like after a few years of the red sauce given their track record.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I am a little bit more bullish on summer hills.
[SPEAKER_00]: power upside moving forward, then you might expect for someone who I think he had what for home runs this year, and part of that is he just missed some time, but his raw power is like very unexciting, apparently, but I think his hit quality, his swing decisions, in addition to just like the physical projection I see in the body could make you a little bit more excited about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: from an upside and ceiling perspective.
[SPEAKER_03]: Summer has the clear advantage over keel and for the reasons you said like the hit tool is already polished.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I think there's room to add probably ten or so pounds of the frame.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can develop the bat speed a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can develop the power.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, I, I'm with you there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he hit just make sure it's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, four hundred runs, forty four games like
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see that just that power production.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's never hit more than eight horn runs in a single season.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if teams are really valuing the performance and maybe less inclined to be bullish on a projection for power ticking up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be the one area where teams might have said no.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just doesn't have enough impact for a right fielder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, like I think it runs well off to maybe you can squint say, can you play center field?
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's not really done that in college.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are some like tweener-ish questions about Summer Hill's profile, though he might be the best pure hitter on the board right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: How about the Minnesota twins picking at number sixteen?
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got some good hitters at the top of their farms system right now with Walker Jenkins, Luke Keechall, Manuel Rodriguez, Kael and Cole Pepper from last year's drafts off to a nice start to do the twins stay with a hitter, or do you think a pitcher could be in play for them here, Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: The one picture I've heard tied to them is Tyler Bremner.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if he's here, maybe he could make some sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aside from that, I haven't heard a ton of pitching names.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, gauge wood is a guy that we have not talked about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: fits in this range on talent, but his medical questions, his lack of innings in general, make him a very polarizing player for a lot of teams, and it's very hard to pinpoint exactly where he's going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the twins fans are looking for another.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe like the twins all their projects are injured.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's one more or you really need to just prioritize durability with the twins.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like would Ethan Conrad be a name that the twins are out on because he has some injuries as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think like if the twins model probably really likes Ethan Conrad his his hitting track record his power.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think players like like Conrad and would come into play here because their talent fits and there's a reason like if these guys had fully healthy seasons
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're just on the field more, both of them would have cases as being like top ten talents.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're starting to get into the range where all the players are talking about are going to have warts that prevent them from being higher.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think most of the like college leaders that we've talked about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Houston, Gavin Keeland, the Hiva Aloi, make a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they would be in on steel hall.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think Daniel Pierce would be a fit here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it would be a little surprise if Kay's in cutting him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a fit here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've not heard too much on Luke Stevenson or Kayden Bowdoin, but I think Kayden Bowdoin could also be a fit for, for it seemed like the twins as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: We should go forward better.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just going to say it seems like that this is the where a potential run of college position guys starts and keeps on rolling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or any of those names in particular that jump out for you, Peter.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, to our previous discussion with Keelin versus Summerhill, like if Summerhill's here, I know that he was the most recent guy to be mocked to Minnesota, I think if Summerhill's here, that's a really exciting and intriguing pick at Sixteen Vaheva, Lloyd is another one, where if for some reason, both Summerhill and Keelin are off the board, he could be a fit.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I have to imagine it would be one of Keel and her summer hell again, depending on who's on or who's off the board.
[SPEAKER_03]: If they're around, that that would probably be target number one.
[SPEAKER_03]: At least it would be for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other name I'll mention here for the twins that I think should be very much in play for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Potentially more with their second pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Thirty-five, thirty-six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Devin Taylor, I have heard that the twins really do like Devin Taylor.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he was picked here, it would be pretty similar to Trevor Larnick, who was taken, twenty-thover all in the twenty-eighteen draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trevor Larnick was a hit-power corner outfield profile.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're more bullish on Larnick's athleticism than Taylor, but what's going to keep Taylor from going higher is just left field profile.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't run much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not going to offer time defensive value, but I do think the twins are one of the most enamored with his hit-power combination.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you went in this spot, it wouldn't shock me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cubs pick after that at number seventeen overall last year campsmith year before that matcha Peter they is this a good spot for the cubs to just keep that collegiate hitter train rolling.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it makes sense just you know given who's available and and also a caliber of player available.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they've they've long liked behavior, lowly so whether it's hammer.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, America Houston or a couple of the other college position guys we talked about in this range.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that a lawyer is someone that stands out.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a plus power guy with big time bat speed.
[SPEAKER_03]: No issue getting to it in game.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are some hit ability questions there, but I think the biggest pleasant surprise with him has been his ability to handle shortstop in the direction, which is defenses trended since last spring.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the clock has gotten better.
[SPEAKER_03]: The actions have
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the R might be a tick light.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I'm more confident now has ability to stick a short stop than I was at this point last year.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: How does he stack up relative to Smith and Shaw when they were coming out of the draft?
[SPEAKER_01]: Both, you know, maybe there was guys pick a little bit ahead, thirteen for what we don't know where always going to go yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: How would you stack up a lawyer compared to those guys?
[SPEAKER_03]: So a loyal and the golden spikes and it's hard not to look at it a little bit with like rose color glasses when looking at what match on campsmith have done and say that a lawyer's probably third of those three and that's not a knock on a lawyer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but I did like campsmith a good bit, especially coming out of his cave summer felt the same way about matcha even before, you know, I got a number of live looks at him.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I put him right behind not right behind, but I put him behind
[SPEAKER_03]: Smith and Shaw, but that's not to say, I don't think he has the ability to be an impact regulator.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think plus power.
[SPEAKER_00]: What stands out to me, I think that's an interesting group to compare, because I do think they share a little similarities.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Vahiva maybe has a little bit of an athletic edge on those two, and I would give both Cam Smith and Matt Shaw a little bit more of an edge on like hit tool confidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just their track record of hitting
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess Kim Smith, like he kind of reimagined himself in a year and it was like pretty locked in his sophomore year, his first year he had a lot of questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that Hiva has like this appealing athletic foundation that you could build on and if you're really confident, the steps forward he's taken offensively.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still have some questions about like how he adjust to and makes contact with spin.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, but there's a ton of bass B, there's a lot of raw power here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he seems to be trending in the right direction on both sides of the ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think with a lawyer to probably not to the extent that well, not probably not to the extent that Cam Smith was with the progress his had to have made in the lead up to his draft year and during his draft year, but like the quality of a bad with a lawyer consistently got better over the course of this season and even dating back to last summer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm more concerned about his ability to pick up and hit secondaries than I even am, someone like an Ivar cat, like the hit tool concerns with behavior or more pronounced for me than they are with our pet, but it's an appealing athlete.
[SPEAKER_03]: The bad speed is legit.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's plus raw, but most importantly, it's plus game, like I just wonder whether or not he's going to hit enough and make enough contact to be able to get to it consistently.
[SPEAKER_00]: The one other name that I guess we should mention here is gauge wood, because the cubs after all were the team who took Kate Horton, who, I mean, is always compared to gauge wood just given their trajectories, their similar question marks, and taking gauge wood here at what are we at seventeen for the cubs?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot less pressure on that pick than seven when the cubs already did it for Kate Horton.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, part of me, maybe this is with some like hindsight buys included, but part of me is like more excited about gaugewood than Kate Horton at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And part of me also might just be more excited about him in this range than Kate Horton top ten.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if we're looking at teams who who might do gaugewood, the cubs have an actual precedent of doing a similar profile.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gagewood versus lame Doyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Liam Doyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Peter's trying to say Peter's trying to put Liam Doyle, thirty.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's where I'll draw the line.
[SPEAKER_03]: I absolutely know we're a team Doyle here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's close for the people realized.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the Diamondbacks pick after them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eighteen, a couple years ago, they go Tommy Troy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shortstop by the Stanford last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pick them in the back of the first round.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had a bunch of picks pretty close together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Slate called well high school outfielder Ryan Walshman, outfielder firm Kentucky, and then JD Dix.
[SPEAKER_01]: High school shortstop.
[SPEAKER_01]: What direction or what pool players are you hearing with them this year, Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like many of the teams in this range, feels more likely for a hitter than a pitcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Diamondbacks are four kings.
[SPEAKER_00]: They love taking these short contact oriented hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think in any of the casing cunning ham, I guess he kind of is the one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like contact oriented bats make a lot of sense for the D-backs, both Mayor Custon and Brennan Summer Hill if they're on the board.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think could make a lot of sense, Kevin Thene is another name.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard associated with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel Pierce would be another name that I think can make some sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Steel Hall is always lumped into that same group, but this does feel to me like one of the more likely than any response for case and cunning him because like on talent on value, I think he belongs in front of this pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the debacks have really not shown any issues with taking short hitter-ish guys like this before.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're fairly model heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the performance is going to matter with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they would be like in on gauge wood feels more unlikely for the d-backs, but those are kind of some of the names, maybe kid and bowdying again, like lumping kid and bowdying into this group of like hitterish college bats makes a lot of sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Super high contact, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that kind of all those names are the names I'm mostly hearing with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about because they also, I don't know if they're targeting these guys, but they have had their share of top prospects have shoulder injuries and Ethan Conrad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Conrad, come on down.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not taking them because of the shoulder injury, but I think one of the reasons he still could still be available here is because of the shoulder injury because I think on talent, had he
[SPEAKER_01]: Had he stayed healthy, like, probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like him right now, more than his teammate at Wake Forest, Marick Houston.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have Houston right to head.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I understand, he, Marick Houston is a short stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's, you know, a good prospect, stayed healthy all season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Had a good, had a good year, Ethan Conrad's been injured.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I look at Ethan Conrad and I mean, he's got physicality, good swing, good contact skills, big power, good athlete, like runs well for a big eye.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's truly center field or more of a corner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll field guy, but I think he's a very well rounded player who I believe in the combination of hitting ability,
[SPEAKER_01]: and power and you can't ignore the injury risk and the shorter track record with him relative to some of the other cult collegiate players who are ranked in the same range or who are ranked ahead of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would be, I'd be very excited to get Ethan Conrad, especially at what I would say would be an under-slot deal, somewhere in that like, eleven to fifteen-ish pick range, which I don't think he'll go that high, but I'm a big fan of his.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that you make a lot of really good points here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the conversation between Ethan Conrad and Mayor Custon is one that's happening right now,
[SPEAKER_00]: With teams and this partially caused kind of a little bit of a slip for Mary Houston it does seem like as teams are digging into his offensive resume.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some question marks there that I know Ben you've kind of pointed out in the past that it also seems like.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say like a month ago it sounded like Mary Houston was pretty locked in to go in the ten to fifteen range.
[SPEAKER_00]: feels like more like fifteen to twenty is sort of range now so it's not a huge slide or adjustment, but it does feel like there are some teams are picking around and wondering, okay, Mary Houston, you're a lot of your impact was against non-conference.
[SPEAKER_00]: The home road splits are not quite as exciting as we want.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did have a spell in April where he was not getting a lot of extra base damage at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think he could be right on the money with a lot of teams referring just the impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: But since you're getting with a guy like Conrad, I've also started to hear recently too that Ethan Conrad is becoming a very popular name on under slot options.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense for his camp.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you kind of want to secure where he's going to go, eliminate some of the volatility that might just be included in his package.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because two of his seasons were at Marist.
[SPEAKER_00]: teams are going to discount the performance a little bit against that quality of competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't get into the heart of ACC play with Wake Forest.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like his performance numbers, his bad at ball that all looks really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think you could maybe say like it's against the softer competition that a lot of these haters were talking about in this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder
[SPEAKER_00]: To both of you guys like how similar or different do you view Ethan Conrad compared to a player like chased a lotter because in my mind I think they have a lot of similarities both from the injury perspective size performance power
[SPEAKER_00]: go ahead Peter, I'm going to stall as I think about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, I think that there's certainly some similarities, especially, you know, the injury history, the latter also came from, you know, even though Conrad is coming from technically wake for us, but Conrad
[SPEAKER_03]: She's the lotter James Madison product.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there are some similarities from a tool standpoint.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, when I was sitting down with Conrad, he's going to transfer three above average or better tools with the run, hit and power.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think what's going to serve as a good anchor for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And perhaps not just an anchor, but also a booster given the fact that he didn't make it to the meat of ACC play this year with Wake Forest even though he's off to.
[SPEAKER_03]: And outstanding start is gonna be his wood bat performance, especially last summer on the cape.
[SPEAKER_03]: He dominated the league from start to finish.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he started the summer with soccer deez and the perfect game league.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he was kind of an early to mid-season edition toward up hit just a shade under three ninety.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he flashed the tool set that makes him such an exciting player.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a big league body.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a strong physical kid.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a swing without a lot of moving parts.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a feel for the barrel and also a feel for generating quality contact.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think what's becoming increasingly more interesting debate, at least with me internally, is like, him versus Jay Slavillette.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would rather have Conrad, I think, just because the conviction I would have in the hitting ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the tools are more similar than maybe people would think.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's a good one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you on that one, Peter?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, like with all these debates and hypotheticals, I posed the question.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you guys know my answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Conrad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's Conrad.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, because with Jace and I was talking to someone about at the other day, he's a six foot six left handed hitter.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a and a donness and every sense of the word.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's one of my favorite words is as low as this point out.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's power.
[SPEAKER_00]: He moves in the goddess and he's a cutter to a polish on the hit tool is how Peter would say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Peter is only two coats of polish on the hit tool.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he moves exceptionally well for a size like he can Sicily terms in plus around times.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so much to like with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: But on the flip side, it's a stiff almost robotic operation.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are some legitimate hit tool questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, JJ wrote about it earlier this time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Guys, I hit two fifty eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, both.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think let's, let's fold in the Orioles here in this conversation because we're getting into some of the players that I've heard them tied to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jay Slavio let Luke Stevenson or the two first round college guys who have real like contact question marks in season batting average is like
[SPEAKER_00]: pretty meaningful in the draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: And both of these guys have fallen under the threshold that you want to clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we mentioned this a little bit with Vance Honey cut a year ago, though his was more like a question mark of just like strikeout numbers entirely.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Orioles seem to be more willing to take on some of this hit tool risk if they're going to be able to get power and on base value.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also we have to talk about now.
[SPEAKER_00]: The game has changed with them with this trade that we mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are picking nineteen over all and they have nineteen point one million dollars and their bonus pool last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Guardians had the biggest bonus pool ever in draft history.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just over nineteen million dollars picking first overall.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the capital they have here in the back of the first round is kind of insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're picking nineteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're picking thirty thirty one now thirty seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they also have their their second on picking at fifty eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to do a lot of damage here and get a class that everyone is excited about no matter the area they go with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Orioles do seem to have like a more particular style of player there willing to take them some other team.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I cannot wait to see what the Orioles do.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can make it kind of noise and they've got a lot of different ways that they can do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm with like leading into draft night.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is now immediately become
[SPEAKER_03]: one of the more exciting storylines to follow.
[SPEAKER_03]: And just how they pull it off because like you said, it's going to be a class regardless of who they end up taking that at least on the surface and in the media after math, people are going to be really fired up about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they took Vance Honeycut last year.
[SPEAKER_01]: After he had a thirty percent strikeout rate at North Carolina, I believe it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then
[SPEAKER_01]: this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's been like, I don't know if that makes it more likely for them to say, okay, we're going to, we'll be willing to take a chance on a guy like Jason Laviolet.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right for the other the other thing too is with the next it's a forty percent strike out rate in high a this year for the answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well it's he said right now he's hitting one seventy five three oh five two seventy two and there we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah it's well you you also don't need to go too far down to to talk about another player that took last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Griffo Farrell thirty second overall.
[SPEAKER_00]: This pick was a little bit of a reach for us based on our draft board and on draft days.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, we light on on Griffo Farrow, but we were always pretty skeptical of like the impact and the power.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what held us back.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just did not have much impact at all, but he was like a really steady player in college.
[SPEAKER_00]: He also has really not been good in high A. He's in two o eight right now with a two ninety nine slug.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's seventy one games.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has
[SPEAKER_00]: for homeruns, eight doubles, like those are two, I wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Griffle Farrell doesn't seem quite as extreme, but they're like more extreme-ish, often to profiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: The oilists have taken, and they continue to get associated with
[SPEAKER_00]: The Markstream Profiles available in this huge class, Jay Slavylet, who's Stevenson, who we've talked about a little bit, Xavier Nines, who's like kind of that guy on the high school side, huge power, a lot of walks, real misconceptions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll be curious if they continue to go with that, sort of, because in the past, like the Orioles, with Michael IS, they take haters at the top, they take guys with impact.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like power for them is like almost a requirement with their first overall pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: they also have seven picks in the top one hundred and I think they have six five in the top sixty I don't think they've taken a picture in that range so over under on pictures they take
[SPEAKER_00]: with their five pit picks among the top sixty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you guys think they'd take a picture in that ranch?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you have do you think he picks?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, even if you're concerned about the risk of pitchers, there's you have that many picks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, alleviate some of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, well, you say that, but also, like, they have had a lot of picks before, twenty-twenty-four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their first pitcher came at one twenty-seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had four picks in front, all haters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty-twenty-three.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had, okay, I didn't go as close for a bag as I thought, but sixty-three Jackson Balmester.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's, they haven't taken a pitcher inside the top fifty since Elias has taken over.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll track back and just make sure that's the case, but if they do take someone in the top fifty, it would be like new for this regime.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about the brewers picking at number twenty?
[SPEAKER_01]: They went off the board last year, surprised me, taken Braille and Payne high school outfielder from Texas with their first round pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's typically been a college, heavy team, typically a team that is looking for hitters who make a lot of contact, especially in zone contact, make good swing decisions, maybe not
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is a really huge power type guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they've taken some of those guys to maybe later on in the draft, but what players or what are you hearing on Milwaukee cars?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe because of everything you said, like I did here from some people who thought that like this might be the floor for a guy like Mary Custon who would fit some of those tendencies you mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kate and Bodine gets heavily associated with them because he has maybe the best pure like contact skills in the class.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you think the brewers are a team that that maybe wouldn't penalize power as much as biggest question mark.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe wouldn't be an issue to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting with the brewers because I have heard them tied to both Kate and Bodine and Luke Stevenson who are very different.
[SPEAKER_00]: catching profiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've also heard them tied to Xavier Nions who has more swing and miss questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard them time to Gavin Fiend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard them tied to Jay Slavia let because the brewer's in the path of also been a team who like
[SPEAKER_00]: They seem willing to just kind of capture some of the players who slide, who maybe weren't expecting to slide.
[SPEAKER_00]: The profiles are different, but if the brewers at twenty ended up with J. Slavia, it would feel similar to me to when Garrett Mitchell slid to them in the middle of the first round, polarizing tools, the college outfielders who have different offensive questions, but like pretty significant offensive questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would think more hitter than pitcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are no pitchers that I've heard with them that that I would really associate with them going for twenty here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But those are kind of some of the names that I would expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I mentioned steel hall, steel hall would make sense to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think this is the potential floors in a aggressive way to put it just with any high schooler and steel hall, but do you think this is a sort of towards the back end of where Hall could go in the first?
[SPEAKER_00]: My assumption has been for a few weeks now that Steel Hall is going to go before Daniel Pierce and case in Cunningham, and it feels like Steel Hall has enough potential lending spots throughout the teens.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just going to go one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do know there are some teams early in the twenties who would be thrilled to get Steel Hall.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them have more bonus pull money to throw around, so maybe like
[SPEAKER_00]: The brewers still have a little bit more bonus pull money than basically everyone picking after them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that is why they're considered a bit of a floor for a lot of these profiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you slip past the brewers in your steel haul or your Daniel Pierce or your case in cutting hand, like teams like the Royals Tigers would be pretty decent place to fall just given the pull money they have to work with and their like tendencies.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned Caden Bowdoin, I mean, the catcher, the brew is placed a huge emphasis and do a great job developing catchers, but especially on receiving, framing, stealing strikes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Caden Bowdoin is extremely good at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's also an extremely high contact and inzone contact guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he
[SPEAKER_01]: He checks a lot of boxes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The brewers look for.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they want to take a catcher with their first round pick necessarily, but I would not be surprised to see him being a good marriage with Milwaukee.
[SPEAKER_00]: We just finalized our tool graze for the top two hundred players on our board.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how, as you guys were listening to this podcast, you want to see the final update.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have exactly two plus hit tools.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is case and cutting M. The other is Kate and Bodine.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what about the Astros at twenty one?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the buzz on them Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I hear the Astros linked to maybe more players than any other team in the first round.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think part of that could be because they don't have a lot of pool money to work with.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got just seven point one million dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's I believe fourth lowest.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a second round pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are another team that feels more hitter heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've been saying this for a long time now with a lot of these teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Feels more hitter heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard them tied to Xavier Nions.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the pick now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ethan Conrad can make a lot of sense for them as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sean Gamble is a name that I've heard tied to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: This feels like one of the higher potential ranges for a guy like Gamble.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speculatively, names like Cunningham, Slater DeBron, who we haven't talked about on the high school side, starts to get appealing in this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gavin Feene, Andrew Fisher, Cam Cannarella, like pretty exciting college hitters with different defensive profiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have great confidence in the Astros, and this is probably the range where you kind of lose confidence in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I wouldn't be surprising if the Astros were a potential lightning spot for one of those like Brighton and Pain-esque wild cards on Jeff Day.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like they'll go header over pitcher, but gauge would would be a fun developmental pairing here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and given what Dana Brown had done in the past with pitchers or Atlanta, like I have her team's mentioned gauge wood is like a fit for what he likes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm assuming it's like basically fastball shape there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I've heard the same as Peter sounds like header for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the brewer, or excuse me, the braves pick right after them at twenty two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it going to be kind of a similar mix for them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is like you mentioned with pirates and I don't know if you mentioned it with reds, but like the fans probably love for the braves to take a hitter because the braves, I think are on the longest run of any team in terms of just taking a picture with their first overall pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of that, they're such a common
[SPEAKER_00]: landing spot or a potential landing spot for basically all of the pictures who are not in this top sixish group of arms we have that we expect to go before the top fifteen so like like Peter just mentioned gauge would.
[SPEAKER_00]: would make a lot of sense cruise schoolcraft would make a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard recently that like Anthony Ienson is a pitcher who they really like.
[SPEAKER_00]: This feels above his range on talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the braves have also been a team that is perfectly willing to take guys on a deal here in this range and move some money to some preps.
[SPEAKER_00]: They really like later.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's Anthony Ienson that wouldn't shock me.
[SPEAKER_00]: The last few years I've heard the braves linked to high school short stops that they didn't actually end up taking.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have heard guys like Josh Hammond.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have heard Ryan Mitchell recently out of Tennessee.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, Pierce could make sense if he's on the board here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's that's kind of where the brave's very curious to see if they just continue to beat that pitching drum because you look at their system and they could use some bats.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting with science and because it seems like, and I think you noted it in the mock or somewhere, but if the fastball quality with him was just a little bit better, this feels like it would be a relief, and it still could be a landing spot for him.
[SPEAKER_03]: the fastball quality with him for me, at least his little light AJ Russell's an interesting wild card name to consider.
[SPEAKER_03]: At this point, I think for me that's a little bit rich just given the injury history.
[SPEAKER_03]: in sort of the lack of track record, but I mean, if you're time at fastballs and particularly fastball shape and under the hood traits and just the quality of the pitch in general, like it's another, it's at seventy with Russell, just like it is with wood.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I, since for me, is more like a, this is mean, but I mean, it's honest, it's probably like a fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just looking at the brave's track record.
[SPEAKER_00]: And recent drafts and even knowing they take a lot of pictures, it's kind of astounding.
[SPEAKER_00]: In twenty twenty four their first four picks all pitchers and twenty twenty two their first four picks all pitchers and twenty one their first three picks all pitchers.
[SPEAKER_00]: In twenty twenty their first pick a picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't even remember actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like shade length.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, twenty-nineteen shade language.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad and she make the last time the braves took a hitter with their first overall pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty-nineteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, most teams have the exact opposite approach to the braves.
[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly they're digging while everyone else is zagging.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you'll get their top ten prospects and it's eight pictures.
[SPEAKER_01]: So right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Need some of those international guys they just signed to hit really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, already, we can draft some better hitters, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, then the Royals pick after them at twenty three, similar, similar mix of players here for them or they.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, and then more specifically on just like high school profiles in general, like we talked about the Red Sox starting an analytical group that's tied to a lot of hitters and college players in particular.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Royals are at the front of this really interesting run of teams in the twenties that includes the Tigers, the Padres, the Philly's,
[SPEAKER_00]: then the Royals picking again after the Guardians of twenty seven with their twenty eight overall pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where everyone is putting all these like upside tools, the high school players, um, more risky profiles like your cruise cruise school crafts of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there are going to be two high school pitchers who go in the first round this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to come in this range here with either the braves, the royals, the podries, maybe the fillies, those teams just seem to be more willing to take on those profiles.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you count the royals as a first round pick at twenty eight overall, maybe they would even still feel more comfortable taking a hit or with the first pick and then getting some upside with a pitcher second.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Royal is as an organization, and then even Brian Bridges in particular, their scanning director, like left-handed pitching, more than most other organizations.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like all of that leads to a lot of crew's schoolcraft projections.
[SPEAKER_00]: If any of the high school short stops make it here, steel hall, I think would be their preference.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he gets here, Daniel Pierce, if he gets here would make sense,
[SPEAKER_00]: In the same vein, guys like Kase and Cunningham, Kase and Cunningham feels a little different than Steel Hall and Dino Pierce, just because he's less of an athlete and more of a hitter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Josh Hammond, I think, can make a ton of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Josh Hammond gets some like Austin Riley comparisons, Brian Bridges drafted Austin Riley out of high school.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I remember correctly, I think he was the skander after when that pick was made.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that one could make a lot of sense to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this thing upside tools the athletic names for the royals is generally what I've been thinking.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about Xavier Naya's third basement high school from Washington?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you want to big.
[SPEAKER_01]: enormous left-handed hitting infielder with gigantic raw power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very patient approach does come with some swing and miss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe some question about where he plays like when he gets into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it looks really good with power to all fields.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does he either fit here, does he even
[SPEAKER_01]: is you even still an option at this point on the board you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know if Nions is fit for their royals or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard that in particular.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird because Nions, I hear him associated with more of the analytical teams than some of these prep hunters and the twenties for whatever reason, which maybe is not super intuitive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a decent chance that Nions goes before or after this pick on an overslot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm assuming he's going to get paid pretty good wherever he goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: His name has not come up as much as I maybe would have expected in this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's hard to pin down though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, you mentioned the Tigers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they pick at twenty four.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like they've taken a lot of hit oriented players, especially on the high school side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Max Clark does a little bit everything, but certainly more to hit over Patler type Kevin McConnell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you see them go on that same direction this year with their first pick?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've heard them again, maybe it's because they've done this in recent years, but they're associated with a lot of high school players.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slider DeBron is a common one, case in Cunningham.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he makes it here, it feels hard to see case in Cunningham lasting much longer than this pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look down at like Cunningham's maybe floor and think like, if you get to the tigers, he makes sense for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way the guardians would pass on that kind of a hit tool, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he screams like a Cleveland Guardian type if he's actually there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to see if there are any other players that make sense here for the Tigers, but yeah, I hear them with a lot of high schoolers for the Tigers, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really like coming him.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I feel so confident and supremely confident in the hit tool, and he's going to hit at a high level throughout the professional baseball.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, if I were the tigers or really any team and he's there in this sort of ballpark range, I'd be really, really fired up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I love the swing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's quick and efficient.
[SPEAKER_03]: The adjustability is there.
[SPEAKER_03]: The barrel sense is outstanding.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a huge fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two other names I've heard linked to the Tigers are Koy James on the high school side North Carolina shortstop.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he has that sort of hit orish profile.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Riley Quake who's very different profile.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily think Riley Quake would be for this pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are picking in the comp round.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think on talent, Riley Quake may be fits their better just given some of his question marks and the lack of strikeouts that he had this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: But those are two other names I've heard linked to the Tigers.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Padres pick it, twenty five Carlos, we know they're going to take a high school hitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, or excuse me, a high school player.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, which high school player are they going to take?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, I would have slider to run as my favorite.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think this like Tiger's Padres range is like the runs may be ceiling.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could easily go more in the conference or early in the second on an over slot deal, but this is like
[SPEAKER_00]: the range where his name comes up a ton to both of these teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crew schoolcraft is another name is mentioned.
[SPEAKER_00]: The podries have been perfectly happy to take these upside lefties.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just took a lieutenant high school pitcher last year in cash may feel Sean Gamble makes a lot of sense for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've heard them tied to him specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Josh Hammond could make some sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've not heard him specifically tied to the podries, but I think that one could make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think going back to like, twenty seventeen, the progress have taken a high school player with their first overall pick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you do have to go back to that Mackenzie Gore draft in the year before, but when they actually didn't take a high school player.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be a little disappointed if they don't take a high school player.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think last year in our final mock, actually we'd heard them tie to some of these college catchers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And stunningly, we had a college catcher for the podries in our final final mock version.
[SPEAKER_00]: a foolish, a foolish decision on my part.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there will be some high school player there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure in the final mock this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which of these Peter, which of these high school guys are the most appealing to you in this group of players?
[SPEAKER_03]: I love Slayer to Brown.
[SPEAKER_03]: Gavin Feene is also really interesting because of the well-roundedness and the offensive profile.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's above average hit, above average power.
[SPEAKER_03]: The how he does it is a little weird, but
[SPEAKER_03]: He does it and he makes it work and he get a really impressive showing on the twenty four travel circuit.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I would take to Brown.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was one of my favorite looks down in Jupiter at World Woodbat on both sides of the baseball.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really, really like him in their appealing qualities.
[SPEAKER_03]: He kind of has the
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he's got a strong and in compact build kind of a barrel chest that look like a prototypical lead off hitter just a bouncy player in every sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a feel for the barrel that's there.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's more line drives than it is, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: impact, but there's some gap to gap power there, especially the pull side plus plus runner.
[SPEAKER_03]: The defense for me really really stands out in center field.
[SPEAKER_03]: I left Jupiter with an easy six on the defense.
[SPEAKER_03]: The first step is outstanding.
[SPEAKER_03]: The off the bat reads are our excellent.
[SPEAKER_03]: He takes quick efficient routes to the baseball and the arm is above average in center like
[SPEAKER_03]: I am very confident that he sticks in center field and kind of fits the mold of an impactful top of the order bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he feel like slight called well to you or a different sort of profile?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there are some similarities there, especially you look at the build and the size a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's this compact physicality, like after-wise, he's small, but there is strength packed into the frame.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speculatively, I wonder if the podries would roll the dice on someone like Jack Bauer.
[SPEAKER_00]: He feels like right up there alley in terms of just huge upside to dream on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I've heard some teams kind of connect the dots there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would think like podries and dodgers might be teams that would be interested in that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do like their lefties.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be surprised if they took Slater to run.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not a team that takes a lot of little
[SPEAKER_01]: guys do usually whether it's in Latin America or domestically it's a lot of bigger dudes or at least not players who are as little as DeBronus maybe maybe five nine maybe five eight already pretty filled out.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a very high baseball IQ player.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good athlete.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good instincts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just now at your how much more upside is in the air.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say for to burn in the pottery specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: The podries have spent a lot of time and they've sent in a lot of people to scout him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also think the podries are a team who would do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: even if they knew they weren't taking someone like they would go act like they have a bunch of people watching a player just to like run some like counterintel to like play with the industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they are like that the sort of team who would try and like screw with everyone else to like push them off the center if they wanted.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even if the whole the Padres crew is watching people, they scout them up as good as anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be really funny to me if they had sent in all this heat and we're like now we're not taking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like who are the guys that size that they're signing anywhere for, at least for early picks or big international money?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not again, not really.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether it's entirely misdirection, a lot of people have said slater to run and podries.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like one of the, one of the heavier connections in this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the fillets pick at twenty six and they've definitely taken some big physical players in recent drafts is, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously hard to know when you're going this far down the board at twenty six.
[SPEAKER_01]: What to expect, but what are you hearing on them, Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Bean has been a name mentioned with the fillings.
[SPEAKER_00]: This would be really similar to the A to Miller pick from a few years ago, it was like this hit power oriented left side of the infield high school player who I think is going to play third base, but Bean did look a little bit better moving around of the infield than I expected into the combine.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fillings have also not really shied away from players who are coming off of down spring seasons for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fiend's performance was not great this spring, but it was pretty exceptional over the summer.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this is a range where he starts coming to play at a pretty high level.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the fillets would also take like high school arms, so schoolcraft is here, save our nions could make sense if he's here, but we're definitely like getting into the range where finding connections is a lot more difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think of the fillets as a team who's very much best player available will take up side or take tools, they'll take on some risk, like I don't associate them like
[SPEAKER_00]: super safe sort of profiles generally.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that could be like a wide bucket of players.
[SPEAKER_01]: Peter, we haven't really talked at all about Alex LeDs at Fullerton staple and Carlos is talking about tools and upside and performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's not how he struggled this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know there's some
[SPEAKER_01]: question marks about the approach, not a lot of walks, this season, Chase, obviously, I think is a fair concern with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you see him fitting somewhere in the back of the first round?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your read on him?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's obviously like, I'd be an idiot to say he is not gonna go in this range.
[SPEAKER_03]: For me personally, it's a little bit rich.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's a particular, I think with Lodi's, and you alluded to it in your lead-in, but I do worry about the hit tool.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are some real missing chase issues, like real missing chase issues.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's easier to poke a hole in it with Lodi's than it is with someone even like an Ivar cat or a behavioral lawyer.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's particularly it stems against secondaries right on right spin.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm kind of a little curious and wondering how much he'll actually hit professionally.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think on the flip side though with low east, you know, there's there's above average power in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He kind of has shown an impressive knack to drive the baseball to the opposite field.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like the defensive shortstop.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd say it's above average with a six arm.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel very confident in his ability to stick at the position and not move off of it and sort of he shares some similarities with these other guys that we've talked about where
[SPEAKER_03]: The defense year over here has gotten better, like his internal clock and just actions in general, particularly the actions have gotten a lot better year over here.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's shown far greater comfort in attacking the baseball, throwing on the run, throwing from different arm angles.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he looks the part of a professional shortstop.
[SPEAKER_03]: The lack of hit tool would just give me pause in this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he reminds me a little bit, so Lordease is probably the highest ranked player we have in the class who I just have not heard very much at all about where he might be going, teams who are particularly interested in him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that's an indication that he slips a little bit further than like where he would go based on talent on our board.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you describe his offensive profile Peter, I think of the Nationals because last year, two of the hitters they took, Sever King, Caleb Luma Vita, share some similar traits in terms of their discretion on swing decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Nationals took those players thinking they could help improve some of that pitch recognition and then build on the athletic foundation that they had.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if that would be a player that the Nationals would consider
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously not one-one, but when they circle back for forty-nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, just thinking of the profiles and speculating, I haven't heard that, but I wonder if they would roll the dice on him there at that pick if he gets there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Lodi says some of the under the hood, bad ball, data with Lodi's is also pretty impressive, at least for me, it's not unbelievably loud.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if you kind of push the hit tool to the side for a second, which is a dangerous activity, but when focusing on the impact, like for me, it's comfortably, fifty-five power.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's also showing a knack for
[SPEAKER_03]: pulling a ball in the air and I think is is average launch angle on on hardhead balls with something like seventeen so he's optimizing his launch angle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just if you can hit it all it becomes a way more appealing in an exciting profile.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just very skeptical of his ability to do so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, probably not going to the Guardians at twenty seven, then it sounds like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he has right handed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, who are who are the Guardians potential candidate pool for this back of the first round pick?
[SPEAKER_00]: For all of the reasons that we mentioned him as a good fit with the brewers, I think if Kate and Bodine is available here for the guardians, he could make a lot of sense, like a lot of the analytical ink line teams that like context skills are drawn to Bodine, the guardians check those boxes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a switch hitter, so not specifically the left hand here, but I think what JJ was doing, some just draft trends, research.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guardians have been the most heavy on the hitters they take have to be left hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's something like a seventy percent
[SPEAKER_00]: rate of their hitters and the last five or so years of the draft are left handed hitters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, America too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a ton of left handed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: What shoulders.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they clearly value that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They factor agent to like one of the stronger degrees of teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not opposed to players who may be like power.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so Cam Canna Rilla is a guy that we have not mentioned who I'm kind of steering at and feeling like he makes a ton of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, one of the better pure hit tools in the class.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some real question marks with the power that he's going to get to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's well below average power with a wood bat.
[SPEAKER_00]: some real question marks with what the arm is going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's dealt with an injury for basically two years now and was never fully healthy on the throwing side, but he also has a chance to be a double plus defender in center field if he's in a above average hitter and he's a plus runner.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are still a lot of things to like there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's all that different from like an unregate Bradfield sort of profile.
[SPEAKER_00]: He went in this range early on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bradfield actually does have a good arm.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Boat on makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Andrew Fisher doesn't scream guardians to me, but just on talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's bat fits in this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he should come into play here if he doesn't go in like the late teens range.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's have a seat first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Tennessee First Baseman, Andrew Fisher, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we haven't mocked him there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think at all, but slater to run would make a lot of sense here for the Guardians.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also Keith.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he's smaller.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's really young up the real profile, contact oriented.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then another player, I think who checks some Guardians boxes, who again, I think this is maybe a little bit higher for his expected range, but I'll point out Cleveland loves to underslaught players.
[SPEAKER_00]: Packages that are money throughout the draft, but what about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Brady Ebel, the corona high, shortstop third baseman.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's exceptionally young for the class.
[SPEAKER_00]: He makes a lot of contact.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has really been sit-tool.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's left-handed.
[SPEAKER_00]: The makeup reviews on Brady Ebel are pretty impeccable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the Guardians weigh that fairly heavily as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's kind of this like dark horse name for me that I wonder if they would be interested in him in the first, or maybe even as a chance to be their second-round pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to ask about, yeah, whether it would be him or Ryan Mitchell, another who left tentative in high school, short stuff, who could fit the mold for a Cleveland.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that one makes sense too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear Ryan Mitchell tied to some other teams, like the angels, the rays, the Dodgers, but that makes a lot of sense for the Guardians as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: In that like range of the thirties, see me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in that in that conference sounds like he's got a lot of action there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think I know we talked about him a lot, but just for the Guardians fans who fast forward?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was in this section of the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think there's a chance case in Cunningham?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he'd be the obvious name from that type of player to fit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Guardians mold.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think there's a chance he's still available here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it pretty unlikely that he's still here?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it feels unlikely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, when Kevin McGonagall in his draft year, I think even throughout the mock drafting season, his name was consistently appearing in the twenties and thirties.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when he went where he did, it wasn't shocking, even though we were like wise as bat falling that far.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for cutting him, just the number of landing spots I've heard for him,
[SPEAKER_00]: in the back of the ten throughout the teens in the early twenties.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does feel like it would be unlikely for him to get here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if he does, yeah, I would make all the sense in the world for him to do the pick and I think it would be an insane value.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although what point do the Guardians have too many small left handed hitting second baseman?
[SPEAKER_00]: They can't all play second base.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although, maybe you'll say, hey, he's not a second baseman yet, Carlos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give him a chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Play short.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't even need to say it then.
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: The new dot is coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, uh, which of those guys Peter are you most intrigued by or is there a college player or maybe a pitcher who you'd be excited about for if you're a guardians fan being able to pick up this late in the first round?
[SPEAKER_03]: If he's there on the high school side, case and con, I'm here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd be doing back flips if he was for all the reasons that you guys laid out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Canterrell is an interesting one.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's sort of become a more polarizing one as the cycles progressed.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are two thirties right there with him right now with the arm and the power, but he does have a chance like Carlos said to be a double plus defender in center field.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a plus runner.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's way better runner than his lack of cylinder bases indicates.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he has this appealing kind of
[SPEAKER_03]: You either got it or you don't quality of his ability to be a playmaker.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like when the lights are at their brightest.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think there's something to be said for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like whether it's making a big play defensively or coming through the clutch hit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Offensively, he's done that time and time again for Clemson.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like if Ethan Conrad's here, he would be someone that I'd be excited about and then, you know, to our point about him versus Chase Delater.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah, those comps would go crazy if that was the pitch.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was going to say that would really take off if he was the pick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Devin Taylor would also be someone that I like here.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you talk about hit power blends in the college side, Taylor is right up there with someone like an egg Irish, maybe to a little bit of a lesser degree.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, he's hit everywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's hit at a high level.
[SPEAKER_03]: The detractors with him are the body and the left field defense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but all he does is hit and hit it a really, really high level.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, um, he'd be another interesting one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm probably lower on Brady evil than others are, but, um, from an arm standpoint, like Riley quick, AJ Russell Anthony Ionson, the trio mentioned earlier, um, would also kind of be an interesting group to consider.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they would be on rally quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of associate them with more like riding fastballs than the fastball because I wonder if they think they could either change that or if they'd just be like out on him because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would think maybe AJ Russell would make a little more sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the high school pictures I look at as like interesting fish for them would be Angel Survantace and then Frank Kai-Rone out of New Jersey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those would be two interesting names.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Kyron is seventeen point eight on draft day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Survantus is some of the best command.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the better changeups in the class.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll also throw out another sleeper for the audience here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tate and Gray a catcher out of Iowa is a name who's getting a lot of steam probably more in the second round range.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's also seventeen point nine on draft day, which Cleveland will love and sounds like they might be in the mix for him in the second round.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to skip through some of the next picks because we've already looked like the Royals have a PPI pick, Diamondbacks, or else we talked about of extra picks, Brewers, Red Sox, Tigers, Mariners, Twins.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these guys all have a bunch of extra picks, definitely can change how they're going to strategize through their bonus pools and their pick selections.
[SPEAKER_01]: After that we got the at thirty eight the meds thirty nine the Yankees forty and forty one.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers there picking a little bit later than they normally would for their crime of spending too much money on their payroll.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll start with the meds at thirty eight Carlos obviously when you're.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have thirty seven guys we're going to go off the board ahead of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit tricky to project, but we know some of the habits and history of, you know, whether it's David Sterns or Chris Gross drafting with their teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you thinking with the Metz here at thirty eight?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the meds have been one of the more difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is maybe true for all the teams in the strange difficult to project out to late thirties in any mock draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have not, I've not heard a ton of like specific names to link to the meds talking with Matt Eddie about like the meds tendencies in recent years.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been happy to go with high school hitters and college pitchers or the profiles that they've mostly invested in.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like they've been one of the teams that will shy away from high school pitchers, although Jonathan has been pretty good for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if they would maybe reconsider some of the names they're interested as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been one of the teams that is not afraid to pay some money to nineteen-year-old short stops or not short stops with like nineteen-year-old preps.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe more billing than some other teams to take some of the older high school players who would be in this range.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very tricky for me to project who the Mets are going to take.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're one of the teams that have the least strong read on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we saw with Carson Bench, their first round pick last year, somebody who makes a ton of contact, especially in zone contact, make good swing decisions.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's probably a lot of similarities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now David Stern's being there to what the brewers were targeting with Mayor players.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I could see a lot of similar type players.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look at the thirty eight, you're getting outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: the first round outside the top thirty picks so maybe there's more willingness to take a high school picture there but I generally agree yeah probably with their first pick unless you know I don't know if there's a high school picture really
[SPEAKER_01]: merits taking their like from a huge slide perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, there's there's interesting high school arms in that group.
[SPEAKER_01]: But nobody who jumps out is like, oh, I need this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although I am quite intrigued by Angel Cervantes, but yeah, I would agree more likely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably their a college pitcher or a, or a, yeah, or hitters.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see, what's, what's, what's turns have done more specifically with like,
[SPEAKER_00]: advanced swing decisions, contact skills, or do you think they would be willing to take like upside shots on tools, power, which, which of those two extremes of like hit or profiles?
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you say, because there are some guys who fit on one of the other, like, boy, James starts to become interesting more if you think it's like hit or ish, willing to sacrifice them, impact, quaint young, and this range starts to become interesting on the high school side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't, I don't think they lean toward that type of player, like the quaint young who tons of,
[SPEAKER_01]: tons of bats be tons of power, but like whether Tim or like a vans honey cut who are talking about or for any coppin for this year who maybe fits in this range.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like the big huge swing and miss risk guys, you know, again, once we're outside of top thirty picks, that could change, but it still is their first pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine they would lean more toward the higher contact, good swing decision guy even if it comes with more power questions like a like a Carson bench.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm staring at a guy like Max Ballou here, Texas Alfielder, like he does make a lot of contact.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this one decisions aren't quite as polished as you associate with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Stern's sort of hitters, but he does make contact.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a pretty good athlete.
[SPEAKER_00]: He runs around Ethan Petrie, is a performer at the college level.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is like a very defensive limited profile.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe that's not the cup of tea.
[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, Dean Kerley becomes interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to the first round at this point, but like comp range, second round range.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he's signable in that range, I also wonder like at what point as a draft eligible sophomore to see like run it back and try to have a better season.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these are some of the like better names available.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Mitchell actually could make a lot of sense here, mentioning him with with the Guardians earlier in the race.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he seems to share a lot of the traits that you're you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Peter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to say the guy really like in this range and it's less so team specific.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is Brandon Cobbton.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that this spring let's loop in the Yankees here because I think he fits maybe more of their typical sort of profile.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just kind of the bold of college hitters that they've gone after and have selected.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, he was hanging down here at the spring, but what he did last summer, I think is way closer to who he is and indicative of the kind of hitter he is than this spring.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like the hit tool by no means is gonna, it's not gonna value and bluer socks off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like there are some swinging miss issues and some expansion of the strike zone issues.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like I feel confident or
[SPEAKER_03]: Like for me, it's at least a forty five hit.
[SPEAKER_03]: I left the summer saying it was fifty hit and sixty five power and like I'll get into it now, but the power with him is.
[SPEAKER_03]: undoubtedly the calling card like it's double plus raw.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel confident that he's gonna get to it and hit enough to get to it and game.
[SPEAKER_03]: He routinely generates quality contact.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a huge ultra physical build.
[SPEAKER_03]: He almost looks like a linebacker and I meet it in a positive way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he moves sneaky well for his size.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not a burner by any means, but he's obviously not a clog or either.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a ton of bats beat, a ton of physicality.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a really strong swing.
[SPEAKER_03]: He can hammer the baseball off fields.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think if he's there in this thirty eight to forty range, especially with the Yankees at thirty nine, I think that he'll be a really interesting guy to look at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, last year, I mean, the Yankees picking at thirty nine and it's that they don't pick again until one of three.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, not they're probably not going to be in our favorite draft list for our top five favorite drafts a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the smallest bonus pool, some of the least amount of capital in the draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're five point three million dollar bonus pool is the equivalent of basically slot value for the thirteenth overall pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's like, yeah, I think Ellie on Pania this year got five million dollars from from the Met's alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you think that makes it more likely for the Yankees to take a hitter than a pitcher?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they took a lot of physical pitchers last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like Riley Quake would fit a lot of the descriptions of like a lot of the arms they took a year ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I wonder if you have that little capital, you're not picking again in the second round.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if that just makes it more likely that you take a hitter than a pitcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could see that rationale.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the last year, they took Ben Hess with their first round pick, Bryce Cunningham, second round pick, that's your her third round.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ben Hess, man, it's flashed really good at times.
[SPEAKER_01]: It certainly has not been consistent.
[SPEAKER_01]: The walks have been high this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bryce Cunningham has been really good when he's been healthy, just hasn't been on the field over the last month now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I wonder do they like is Riley quick in appealing option for the Yankees potentially if drafting Ben Hess's former teammate now or do you think they go a different direction, Peter?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think with quick, and we touched on quick a little bit earlier, like the fastball shape with him is not that of the other arms, like it's more Ron and sink and kind of this bowling ball heavy action than a ride guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there isn't a ton of swing and miss with the fastball.
[SPEAKER_03]: But the cutters are really effective secondary form.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a plus pitch.
[SPEAKER_03]: The sliders in above average offering, he has the build.
[SPEAKER_03]: of this physical workhorse right hand, or I think he's absolutely a candidate to be in play if they do go the route of an arm.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're taking a lot of high school short stops as well with their top picks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if guys like Josh Hammond, Ryan Mitchell are around, even further down the board, looking at some names like Dax Killby, Josh Owens, like none of those profiles would jump out to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like super shocking to see the Yankees take, especially in this range of the draft board, but those are all speculative guesses from me.
[SPEAKER_03]: How this could be hard just because of, you know, where he ranks on the the final V.A.
[SPEAKER_03]: five hundred and also where we're at.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Josh Owens has been a huge helium name recently.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think could be his realistic ceiling?
[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty-eight with the Royals.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think would be his realistic ceiling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Royals are all over that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll finish up with the Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have two picks back to back, forty and forty one.
[SPEAKER_01]: What types of players or what direction do you think they're going to go with those two picks Carlos?
[SPEAKER_00]: Patrick Forbes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm begging them to take Patrick Forbes.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've had Patrick Forbes at forty for months now with the Dodgers and I know Dodgers fans who were checking out our mocks are like either pissed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only been one name for the Dodgers over and over again or they're like convinced it has to be Patrick Forbes because I've had him there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason he's there and he's been there is because I hear they really like him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear they scouted him heavily down the stretch and at this stage it's so rare to feel good about a player team connection that I don't feel like it's worth going off that name for someone that I have less ties to.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like he's been there for us for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it makes a lot of sense for what the Dodgers have done in the past.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've taken
[SPEAKER_00]: pictures like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even at a Louisville, I'm like in my name right in a picture with some sort of reliever questions at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: who they took in the first round.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that far back.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys have their draft board up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Forbes is a name I've heard of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Mitchell is a name I've heard of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quentin Young gets associated with them quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers seems to always be associated with these really athletic tools the upside plays.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we're hearing a lot of them recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bobby Miller, yes, Bobby Miller would be like the the computer for Patrick Forbes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Patrick Forbes halfway through the season was looking at a talk, twenty five pick and then he really struggled with control down the stretch.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a big outing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of in lockstep with the NHSI in North Carolina where a lot of people went in and saw maybe his worst start of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, well, like, I think there's a possibility he could go in the top thirty.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have not mentioned him until now, but he really does have one of the more exciting fastball slider combinations in the class.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a matter of, like, how often is that going to be over the plate?
[SPEAKER_00]: How many strikes is he going to throw?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he more starter?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is he more reliever?
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Dodgers seem to have had some success with this sort of profile.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, you want to talk about a fun developmental pairing like this this fits that to it to like a less fast fall plus slider.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good athlete, pretty low mileage moves really well in the mound.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a little bit of a spray gun command wise, which is a bit of a wild card, but
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, like cam lighter is also an interesting name.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like it has hinted JJ's pick in the in the staff draft like, I mean, cam lighter through this spring.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a chance we're sitting here talking about him as a slam dunk like top twenty five overall pick.
[SPEAKER_03]: The stuff is that good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but you want to talk about a spray gun like the the command and control are lacking, but the stuff is huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like he's got a chance for three plus or better pitches.
[SPEAKER_03]: The injury is three and what exactly it is is really kind of scary to think about, but yeah, I think he's also in play here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He threw a bullpin earlier this week in front of most of the teams in the industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, ninety two, ninety five.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's good to see him just back on the mount throwing again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a wild card that that could be in play for a number of teams in this like second, third round range because the stuff when he's healthy has been as good as most pictures in this class position player wild card here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I assume Josh Owens potentially fits.
[SPEAKER_03]: What about some of the Jordan Yoast who's long been like a big helium name and a popular one on the prepside.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think actually we have heard used tied to the Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those goodies that make sense to me, good ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was, uh, that was a fun rehearsal to walk you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to hit record now and we're going to get started.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I would quit out of walk out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We would not have a draft draft.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say sorry, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Staff draft is the last one.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to hear Ben starts on the draft pre.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know some people in our audience really love the long episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how about nearly three hours of draft preview for you?
[SPEAKER_03]: I know when I was just a subscriber in a listener, I'd be doing backflips if I saw three, five minute podcasts in my Apple podcast feed or wherever I got my podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, shout out to everyone who's listening to every second of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're still here with us and you've heard every team, you are a real one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be, so you're going to be on the draft show, Carlos.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm scheduled to be on the draft show for MLB Network on night one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be hanging out with a former friend of the program.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll still friend of the program.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Jim Callis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still a friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Former B.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: Prospect, Extraordinary Jim Callis.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Lance Brustowski.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think on I think on rounds two and three, we'll hop on the main set and
[SPEAKER_00]: And run through them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So fingers crossed, there's no one drafted who we are not aware of looking at you guys, Rangers and Padres.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then yeah, hopefully we'll have a fun time and see what actually will happen because hopefully it's been clear throughout this, but
[SPEAKER_00]: There's plenty of uncertainty, and we never know what's actually going to happen, and it's always fun to see who actually are to the picks.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, so we'll always crush it on the broadcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm always, uh, I think he's glad to see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And uh, excited to have our twenty twenty six list coming out right after the draft.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to read your twenty twenty six mock as soon as the draft is done.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I might have to consult with my underclass scouts here and figure out who the best names are because I know for anyone who's just full draft a hundred percent of the time Ben and Peter are going to have you guys covered as soon as the draft is over or flipping the switch will get you up to speed on all the names you need to know for twenty six which
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, not to not to knock the twenty twenty five class here on the eve of the twenty twenty five draft, but the twenty six class is sounding pretty fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, any final comments for either of you guys on expectations or thoughts or just anything I want to leave people with before we get out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Peter, how about you first?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, this was a blast.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's one of my favorite individual podcast episodes or for each year and this one lived up to the hype and then some, I think
[SPEAKER_03]: As I've come away with throughout the entire cycle and especially recently when talking through these guys, it could go in so many different directions and go, hey, where I'm just excited for Sunday night to arrive and the picks to actually be announced.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we can actually analyze everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, no, it was a fun episode and a fun draft cycle as it always is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it'll be kind of strange to turn the page, but also exciting.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Peter Sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but no, it's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's as you guys can probably tell we could probably talk these guys could talk about I couldn't but Peter and Carlos could probably talk about every.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I could not talk about every pick as they happen, you know, ten rounds into the draft and for all the
[SPEAKER_01]: over Slack as the depth and detail of knowledge that you guys have on all of these players is always impressive to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you for the kind of words, Ben.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're shorting yourself a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could hang right with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's all I've got for today again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys for hanging out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for listening to this beast of an episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for supporting baseball America and subscribing to the site and really allowing us to spend three hours of our of our morning on a Thursday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our guests are afternoon now.
[SPEAKER_00]: on Thursday, but we really, really appreciate the support.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you guys have a great draft day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope your favorite team takes your favorite prospects and it all works out really well for you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for Peter, for Ben, I'm Carlos, so long everybody.