[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a way to make your vacation easier when you're pulling a trailer with your truck?
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope so because it's not this going to be a short podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So on this episode of T-Fall Talking Tracks, do that I really want to focus on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, vacationing with your vehicle, because we're just coming out of the Fourth of July, acceleration.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on the highway at the tail end of that, and I saw, you know, the traffic on a highway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were traveling during that weekend too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was, and you're about to go on a trip with your boat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're definitely in the thick of the season for pulling hobby trailers, campers, boats, side by sides, anything that you can think of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've actually seen also people pulling a, both behind the fifth wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a whole new, well, it's not new to me, but I've never done that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a long, no, that's a long rig.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but do safety is quite important, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no one wants to lose whatever toys they're pulling behind them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you don't want to hurt somebody yourself or others.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's really could be a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: You and I recently did a drag race.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's currently on TFL truck and OTFL.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where I decided, well, we both decided that it was time that we do a drag race with trailers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's something that we've been working up toward.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had to get special permission to be able to pull trailers across the quarter mile at the air strip where we typically do our quarter mile testing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you spent quite a bit of time putting that video together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we got identical trailers that we were able to race side by side between trucks because we've seen that common to ton.
[SPEAKER_00]: People want
[SPEAKER_00]: to not just see HD trucks drag racing, which you could argue about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could argue about how useful that is, but accelerating when you're hooked up to a trailer, that is arguably a much more impactful metric to measure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people have wanted to see this video.
[SPEAKER_00]: We finally got it shot, but it got us thinking about telling, and especially safety with telling, because we were pushing these trucks in these trailers and hitches and everything pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and, you know, we're going side by side down in their strip at like, seventy plus miles an hour, you know, seventy five plus miles an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, by the end of the strip, uh, we're almost around eighty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I was the safety was on our mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: We use way safe hitches, right, because and safety is in their name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, true.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has the name.
[SPEAKER_01]: We save, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's really important.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do it on this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a special guest.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have Braxton from WaySafe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not, you know, we didn't film it somewhere at the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually here in our studio.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he came by the office, which is awesome, because Braxton lives in this world even more so than we do, especially when it comes to the equipment that you're pulling your trailer with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I always have this in my office.
[SPEAKER_01]: I brought it into the podcast studio, which is basically a broken, um, um, unnamed brand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a way saved brand, but some other brand, a broken in half, goose neck ball, uh, which actually, um, my cousin and law has a hot shot business moving cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this happened to him one of his drivers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you never want to see Something this catastrophic happening no absolutely not so that's what this podcast is about how to avoid something as bad as that
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, with knowledge.
[SPEAKER_01]: You gain knowledge with your tools.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how about this?
[SPEAKER_01]: How about we go to Braxton's interview right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This episode of TFL talking truck spotcast is really focused on towing trailers with your pickup truck, actually using your pickup truck the way it's meant to be, but also staying very safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And with me in the studio, this is very special because we usually don't have guests in our studio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes we go to shows, we do something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we do some shows from the road, but Braxton from Waste of Hitches is here.
[SPEAKER_02]: How's it going?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that our studio?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also incredible, you know, to come in and see kind of the behind the scenes of all the things you guys are doing is awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so we've been working together for a couple of years already, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Towing trailers for us at TFL truck, it's really what we do because we want to show the trucks working in the real world.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to show everybody who's watching or listening, what some of these trucks are capable of and also how they compare.
[SPEAKER_01]: Recently, we did a drag race between heavy-duty trucks, turbo-diesels, at our air strip that we use close-course, and safety was really important to us, because at turns out we were going in about what's seventy-three to seventy-five miles an hour, side by side with trailers, just to see how these diesels are working.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're using waste-a-fetchers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, obviously, you know, you're partner of ours.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we can talk about some of the new products you guys are offering.
[SPEAKER_01]: But also, I want to talk about saving time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because for me, if you're watching, if you're listening, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're watching, we have a couple of way-safe hitches attachments here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, for me, it's not only about safety, but also saving time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you could load correctly, you don't have to redo it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, you can know exactly how much weight you have on your hitch.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk a little bit about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why did
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, why did waste they've started doing this?
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, back in the day, I say back in the day, you know, a ten or eleven years ago and there was an engineer and a business partner that we're working together and everybody in the towing industry talks about measuring tongue weight and you got to know how much tongue weight you have but no one had a solution for for their trailer hitches and so
[SPEAKER_02]: He went to a CNC machine, started doing some things, and came out with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, the stinger was our very first product that we launched in.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're kind of seeing it right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just as simple, fixed height assembly that goes right into the back of your receiver.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we launched that product at SEMA in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in, in,
[SPEAKER_02]: They had a line of people waiting for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just with their cash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were trying to buy way safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: At that point, both the engineer and the business partner, they were like, you know, this is something that could really be successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so then they kept the idea and patent, patent did the built-in gauge system and it has been amazing for the last, I think we're coming up on eleven years in October.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so basically it's kind of using this kind of it's kind of a hydraulic system, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you explain a little bit?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's a hydraulic kind of like a vacuum system.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a there's a piston or we call it a plunger that that goes into a cavity and underneath that plunger is a bed of hydraulic fluid that pressurizes the gauge.
[SPEAKER_02]: So as the ball
[SPEAKER_02]: gets compressed or in this case the stinger gets compressed and that piston goes down that's what pressurizes the gauge on our system.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and the gauge is basically kind of like a scale and it goes from zero to whatever capacity you know related to this hitch and if you have a standard kind of a you know regular conventional style hitch
[SPEAKER_01]: Mostly, for heavy duty trucks, it goes up to about twenty thousand pounds, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But you really want to be about ten percent of your trailer weight you want to have on your hitch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's actually something that over the last little while we've been doing a lot of testing, a lot of trying to figure out just how easy or how hard is it to get the tongue weight, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So we've been, we've been asking people like go ahead and put something on your trailer and try to find where the ten percent is without looking at the gauge.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's crazy to me that we've found that even twelve inches worth of adjustment can put you from ten percent to twenty five percent to thirty five and forty and even to zero percent.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's, it's very small window for you to get, get that ten percent amount of tongue length.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just way to think, visualize it if you have kind of a flat deck trailer and you're putting like a rock crawler or a vehicle on it or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you're just moving your car, you know, maybe you're moving how homes or you're going from state to state and how far forward do you put that car or vehicle or how far back.
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, today I loaded a trailer using your hitch, of course, and a trailer that we had.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm pulling a side by side.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I've been doing this for, you know, fifteen years or twenty years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I looked at this side by side.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that the engine in the side by side is in the rear.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little bit rear biased as far as it's all in the way it is concerned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I kind of know how much the side by side weighs, you know, almost two thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's all going through my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, well, where should I put it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a tandem accent trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: So some trailers actually have kind of a bar between the axles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can kind of judge, you know, how that bar is angled.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's kind of difficult still to figure out, do I put it all the way forward?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I live it in the middle?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, where should it go, basically?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and that's the beauty of our hitch.
[SPEAKER_02]: It takes the guesswork out of loading trailers.
[SPEAKER_02]: It gives you an answer to a question that you may know how to load a trailer, but you don't know how much tongue length you have until you put a scale to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's a question I usually get when people are seeing me use this, these dishes and talking about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's how accurate is this hitch.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's about, I want to say it's about five percent or close to it, plus or minus around fifty pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because of the gauges that we're using, it's hard to get it exactly, but your plus or minus fifty pounds on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but you're talking about, for example, this morning, my tongue load was about five hundred pounds, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're off by twenty five or fifty pounds, I mean, that's still within the margin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that you won't see.
[SPEAKER_01]: And every scale or every measurement device has its own error, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is something you could do in the real world.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not the laboratory.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not talking about laboratories, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a real life.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, as you're telling, you're putting not only your life at risk, but everyone else on the road, it's life at risk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, this is a summer season.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of, you know, the height of July.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody wants to go to the lake, you know, you know, do different things bring your camper with you, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually going to a lake tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here in Fort Collins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so let's talk a little bit about First of all, some of the different products, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we have like the stinger hitch that you're saying not hydrogestable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, obviously you also have hydrogestable hitches and they all have kind of lockable pins too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have our stinger.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a two inch drop.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then in our aluminum, we save a ball melt.
[SPEAKER_02]: It goes, we have a four inch drop, six, eight, and ten inch drop, both, or I guess in the two, two and a half and three inch receiver size.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it goes up to heavy due to pickup trucks, like we were using in our in our drag race.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or if I'm talking with a maverick today,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so compact.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we also have our other line is called our arrow hitch line.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a two inch receiver only and it comes in four six eight and ten inch drops rated specifically at a twelve thousand five hundred pound rating.
[SPEAKER_02]: with the two inch toe ball that it's on, and then we throw in our clamshell, and that turns any two inch into a two and five sixteenths inch toe ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you go back, our producer call is here with us to the homepage, kind of there, and if you go look at ball mounts, that arrow hitch is, I think, right there, that's the bottom.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the arrow hitch, and the whole thing is, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you buy a two and a half inch receiver for heavy duty truck,
[SPEAKER_01]: your capacity is way higher, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're talking about turning up to about twenty thousand pounds or maybe sometimes even more.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we said the price of that hit you'll go up.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's more material there, it's more heavy duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the whole thing is with my Maverick, our Maverick here at TFL Studios, it's, it's, it's, towing capacity is only about four thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't need a gigantic hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I don't want a heavy hit, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I've been, when I use Waste of Hitches, they're aluminum.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the aluminum is light, you know, I want to say a six inch drop, two inch receiver is roughly about twenty, twenty five pounds or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So most people can lift that up without an issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you're talking about a steel hitch, I mean, you also sell steel hitches, but that could be forty five pounds, fifty pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, then now it becomes something that not everybody can lift it up and install it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's pretty neat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and of course pricing varies, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The light of the hitch, the more affordable it becomes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so our arrow hitch starts at around twenty, or not twenty, about a hundred and thirty dollars, and then our aluminum hitch is depending on the brand that you get, because we have a one eighty line that doesn't have a built-in scale, and that line starts at around two thirty-ish to forty, and then our waist-safe with the built-in scale starts at around three hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you also have way distribution hitches.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and our way distribution hitches those start at about nine hundred dollars and they are incredible for you know, telling RVs car haulers and anything that you want, you know, and it doesn't necessarily have to be for those specific types of trailers.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you have a tow vehicle that may not be able to tow the trailer and set up that you want, the weight distribution will help alleviate some of that weight on the rear axle and redistributed across the front axle and the axles of the trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah and also it helps with sway control a little bit as well because that's huge I usually have some some guys come up to me and they say you know what I just purchased a thirty three foot long camper you know that's nine feet tall or ten feet tall yeah and I have my F-one fifty you know and I'm pulling it with I'm like yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, by weight, you're probably okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're telling a giant billboard behind you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a sale.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in order to distribute that weight correctly and also help with some sway, no matter what you're telling, the way distribution hitches are more expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think, especially on vacation, you don't want to be stressed out on your vacation, right, pulling something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's money well spent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I personally, I've totaled with our weight distribution several several times and even a trip that we went down the court side Arizona for a big RV show down there and I was driving in F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-M-F-L-
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say it was like two days worth of driving, eight, about twenty hours or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: We say if it's based in Utah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, you know, high winds, too, are possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, especially in the mountains and in the canyon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as soon as you, you know, the trailer starts swaying bad things could happen quite quickly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as we find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let's talk about actually something new that I didn't actually learn just about it now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're your kind of weight ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That you can attach to basically any receiver.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so this is our weighing table.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is something that we are working on and it's going to be awesome once we have it because
[SPEAKER_02]: It's something that you can put on any stinger anywhere, but it's going to be really affordable around the sixty dollar range for that total.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's really super sweet that we're working on.
[SPEAKER_02]: It probably won't be ready until the latter part of this year or even into twenty six, but we're doing testing on it currently.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you heard this here first.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the first time that we've actually announced it on to the public.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, we're excited about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically if you're just listening to us, you basically have a two-inch receiver or maybe it's a two-and-a-half or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And usually these receivers, you couldn't pick them up anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they basically have a hole where the ball goes and you could put whatever size ball you want in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this ball actually has a little scale built in to it as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that will help you figure out exactly what the tongue weight of that trailer is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That you're hooking up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly to what you said Andre, that's how that's how this will work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it may not be high digestible.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a more affordable choice, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Another option that people can have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because you see on the road, there's people all the time that are that are towing trailers and you all kind of specifically is kind of the where I my head goes is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And people are all in trailers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe first time in their life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe they're not telling all the time so they just pick the first thing off the shelf.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this gives them an opportunity to measure their tongue weight for just any type of trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: or maybe like you know the case I'm thinking of you know you're moving to college or something and maybe this is your first time pulling a trailer and now you have a you know rented trailer that you're pulling so you don't want something very expensive yeah but you just want to be safe right you just want to get there so yeah so in one piece and tell me a little bit about the clamshell adapter basically the two inch receiver like I'm holding one in my hand is for lighter trailers
[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of the time we use two and five sixteenths, which is a larger, more capable, like, weight-garing ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you can, you have a clamshell solution there as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so our clamshell is a two inch, two two and five sixteenths inch, toe ball adapter.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you, you know, just like a cover for your two inch toe ball, but increases the size of your toe ball to two and five sixteenths.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's made out of three, oh, three stainless steel.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's heavy, heavy duty, the stainless steel that our toe balls are made out of.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's very durable, very easy to take on and off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the one thing that I would highlight here is as you put on your clamshell, make sure to take it off when you're not telling.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not long.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not secure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when it gets up in there, and it takes it away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so make sure to take your your clamshell off if you're not using it and put it in the door and I think it comes with a with a toe ball bag so you'll be able to hide it away without getting grease all over your hands if you grease your your couplers and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but tell me, like some skeptics are saying, oh, it just really looks like a thin piece of metal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It may not be strong or safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you say to some of those skeptics about it?
[SPEAKER_02]: So one, it's super durable because it's the same stainless steel as Artoa.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very durable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the longevity of these clamshells, we have seen very minimal if any breaks on these clamshells.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're very strong, and they actually tell people as kind of a selling point for these clamshell adapters is it kind of protects the toe ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because when if you're toeing in construction or you're toeing off-road, rocks and stuff can get inside the coupler and gall up your toe ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you're using a clamshell, it acts as a protector for the toe ball and the inside of your coupler because it, you know, it rotates on top of the two inch toe ball.
[SPEAKER_02]: as your trailers move and so yeah it's it's awesome and and we're we're super excited about it we've had it in the market for several years now and and it is continuing to be one of our our best sellers
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, because it's so easy, I haven't used one, because we're pretty fortunate, usually we have different appropriate size balls for all of our trailers, because we mostly work in the two and five, sixteen space.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for example, my boat trailer is a two inch.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in order for me to convert one of your hitches from two in five sixteenths to two inch, I have to unscrew.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I have to have a heavy wrench.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to unscrew that unit and then mount it back up again.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if I can have a little clamshell that I can just insert over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be more simple.
[SPEAKER_02]: And definitely if you have a two inch toe ball that's rated for that two and five, sixteen cinch trailer, it works great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's super good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't forget about the rating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just some people forget is like, oh, hey, now I have a two and five, sixteen cinch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we can do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one million pounds right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the ratings are still important because it doesn't increase the rating.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just increases the size of the toe ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I love about
[SPEAKER_01]: your products?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's stamped.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of the parts, the ball is stamped with a rating.
[SPEAKER_01]: The hitch itself has a sticker maybe or maybe a stamping on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's very easy to see the size of it and also the weight rating, which is super key.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our new, our, our, our version two of our aluminum hitches, the two inch toe balls are rated at ten thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So having that, that adaptor and even the arrow hitch that traded at twelve thousand on the two inch, the arrow and the new two inch toe balls are awesome for having the clamshell handy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're not only doing hitches, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you talk about some other products and also the academy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll waste a academy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go to some of the other products like recovery.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so start there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have a recovery line that we haven't really pushed a whole lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: And let's push it now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, so our recovery line was a brainchild of our VPF products a couple years ago And he was thinking of different products to bring to the market and Because our hit a few of our hitches are manufactured in Utah We had a bunch of scrap leftover and we're trying to figure out what to do with scrap so we you know
[SPEAKER_02]: continue to not have to recycle so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's actually where our hard shackle recovery hitch, our hook and our soft shackle ring comes into play.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where that those products came from is some of the scrap material from our hitches.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's pretty cool because they've actually, they've done extremely well over the last couple of years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's blown the market up around the recovery line.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so with that being said, we then increase to having a manufacturer for our soft shackle and our recovery ropes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they have, like I said, we haven't really marketed them because our sales team hasn't
[SPEAKER_02]: hasn't gotten there, gotten their ducks in a row as far as knowing what, how to sell them, because it's new.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a new problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a totally different world when you're talking about trailer hitches, and then talking about recovery.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so as soon as we start learning how to market these better, and I think here at TFL, the TFL Off-Road Channel is a great opportunity for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know you guys have already used some of the recovery rules.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Cole can pull up, we had the no-paying no-gain series recently, which is basically affordable vehicles on our Afro-Channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we, well, I'm going to throw a case under the bus here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He drove a Subaru into some water, and actually, the Subaru stopped working, let's just say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we used Waysave Recovery Rope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we had it in the bag right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Plus we have the, you know, like you said, the shackles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I also love is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here we can kind of see what's going on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're watching us, basically, on TFLAFRA, we recently had a very affordable vehicle series.
[SPEAKER_01]: We bought a Chevy for about a thousand bucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had a Subaru for about fifteen hundred dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're used obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Subaru is now inoperable.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're using the shackle.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're using the rope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, the rope got wet.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good that it's being put into use.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's that they're meant for is is to go through all of all of that, you know, real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the rope is a little bit oversized.
[SPEAKER_01]: I brought my heaviest rope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You never know what's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the support truck with us as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously there's different sizes of ropes and
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about kinetic ropes here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a kinetic recovery rope, so it has that stretchiness to it, so it's not going to snap or break away as you start to recover someone out of the ditch, mud or water in this case.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we also has worked with Recovery Expert.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tommy has done a different series about education, because it seems like, all right, so you have a flexible rope, kinetic rope, so you can eat anything out of anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this expert reminded us, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: there are limits yes yes just like there's a limit with a hitch there's limits with kinetic ropes and the way to calculate that so we also have videos about that as well also so of course every rope will have its own rating yeah and you know you you may not want to stretch it out too much right in all that stuff you also have circled coating on some of these yes it's pretty good looking
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so our hitches as well as our recovery, we do a red in a black in the recovery product.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to highlight your rig, I know when it comes to off-roading and in that space, you want to show off.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got to shine your rig and having a little bit of an accent of a black or a red, that's kind of what we've stuck to and what has really, really worked for us right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if there's any,
[SPEAKER_02]: There's any colors that you would like to see as far as serocoding on these that you would like, just send us an email and we'd love to keep Italian and see what new colors we could come out with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so red, I love red color.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the TFL colors, as you could see around the room alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course black as well, but I like to, especially for recovery stuff, having a brighter color, I think, helps.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or maybe just aluminum, shiny or polished is another good option, but just being visible and also showing off your regular little bit, which is pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then more recently,
[SPEAKER_01]: I've discovered some other products like you have like wheelchokes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that under accessories?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's under accessories.
[SPEAKER_02]: So under the flapjack blocks and over on the left there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this product here is our newest product that has been released.
[SPEAKER_02]: We launched it in March and it has gone
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really great.
[SPEAKER_02]: We sold out in the first month, we've done a lot of great content around it, and it just is adding so much value to the RV space right now, because they're an eight inch jack block.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you can actually fold them down to a two inch platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: As you was basically a foldable jacks stand or kind of a lift.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly for your jack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for your stabilizers on your RV or even for your tongue jack, you can use them for those purposes.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do have a rating of six thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they, you know, that very, very rare is your trailer going to be
[SPEAKER_02]: under that type of stress around all of the different jacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about ten percent usually right on the jack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're pulling, you know, ten thousand pounds, it may be a thousand or fifteen hundred pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So having a six thousand pound capacity on this unit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's plenty for most uses, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can buy them in a single pack, a two pack, four pack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you can also buy it with a new Plastics product that we launched is called the boot scraper or the shoe scraper.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that one's also really great, but you can buy one flatjack plus a shoe scraper.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think if you scroll down a little bit, there should be some other buy-tos.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we have wheel levelers, a blockset, and then we have wheel chocks as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those have also done really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a whole new product line from ball mounts and just hitches.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we've seen a tremendous amount of success in this arena.
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of dovetails together because you know you're pulling a trailer and if it's a camper you want to level it nicely you know for your camping situation and stay safe all about safety I guess the older I get you know the more focused I am around that yeah I guess maybe it's a little bit of wisdom that I've built up over there at least a few years definitely but but
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, yeah, so that's really important.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'll be using it this weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm pulling a trailer of this camper over by the lake, so we'll have to level it out and kind of kind of get that going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that'll be awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just like to say around all of these products that we've been talking about, my role at WaySafe is Brand Relations Manager.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that means that I manage all of our partnerships, like the partnership we have together.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also, I'm taking the lead at the helm around a way safe academy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if there's any questions about products that we offer,
[SPEAKER_02]: In those videos, we will answer those products, or answer those questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one of the things that I'm super excited about, because there's so many questions around telling, there's so many questions around our products, why they're important, why should someone use a way safe hitch, why not?
[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody else has hitched?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so many hitches in the market right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could get confused at which one to buy really quickly, just based on what options are out there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in that sense, I'm super excited about the Way Safe Academy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing a bunch of different testing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're doing a bunch of different layout and product information, unboxing videos.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's going to be really exciting that you should start seeing those those videos come to life on on YouTube here within the next month or two and yeah like some of the testing that we've found is mind blowing because some of the questions that we get is like well you know
[SPEAKER_02]: Trailer sway is one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that relates to two little tunnel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not having enough timeway.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll just throw everything to the front of the trailer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what happens to the tow vehicle when you overload your tongueway?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And some of that testing we've been doing and it has been super exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I open it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we always knew that there was effects, but we didn't know how it really was going to affect like our breaking, the temperature of our bearings and breaks after doing some different testing.
[SPEAKER_02]: How does it affect your MPG?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's so much to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And stopping distance and stopping distance and the longevity of your parts on your tow vehicle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Call, if you can go to YouTube under TFL truck, I did a video many years ago with F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F
[SPEAKER_01]: No longer in sale, but it's kind of a vehicle that's a little bit more capable than just a half ton truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we pull the same heavy trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe we're pulling about ten or eleven thousand pounds, which both of these trucks are rated to toe.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll be f-on fifty's rated to toe, you know, a little bit more than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, the tight next D was ready to tell that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what we found when we squished the Ford suspension all the way down with a pretty heavy tongue load, the character of that driving experience changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you're now hitting bump stops a little bit more often or maybe all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it became kind of loose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just very noticeable when that tongue load increased.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole truck changed, but it didn't affect the XD as much because it had a heavier spring.
[SPEAKER_01]: It had a heavier basically payload rating.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's one thing that most people don't understand when they load heavy on the front end of their truck is you're losing steering ability and then you're bouncing a lot more down the road because your suspension is being used a lot more.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the steering ability and also stopping ability because you kind of unloading the front end a little bit so that contact patch of your tire in the front becomes a little bit less.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where your weight distribution hitches are also can come in and kind of help out with that and kind of push a little bit more weight forward in the truck or the tow vehicle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what a weight distribution hitches for is to redistribute the tongue weight of the trailer across the tow vehicle and the trailer axles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, and now I want to do that too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to do a video related to this because we've done several videos about two little tongue loads, you know, putting a side by side all the way on the back of your trailer, having almost zero tongue weight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You also had the simulator at SEMA, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Digital simulator.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also little kind of a physical simulator.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say, if you ever see us at a trade show, more times than not, we have our treadmill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or you've seen it on TikTok, YouTube, you've seen it on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a toy truck and trailer on a treadmill running and we move the load forward and back so that it demonstrates tongue weight.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then like what you said at Seema, we had an actual simulator that people could try out and it showed the exact same thing of
[SPEAKER_02]: trailer sway, but now we're starting to find just how important it is to know how much your tongue weight is and what the effects are if you overload that tongue weight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I want to do a video with two, you know, really, really heavy stuff, but you still don't want to overload your truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, let's say your truck has, I don't know, eighteen hundred pounds of payload capacity.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to come closer to that because as soon as you overload,
[SPEAKER_01]: the whole other problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think the biggest thing when it comes to towing and knowing, just knowing your weights, their weights, pasted it all over your vehicle, what your ratings are.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's in your manual.
[SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, online, you Google how much to capacity does this truck have in this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the internet has been incredible in that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: AI with all the things that they have.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very simple to figure out what that is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just going to take a little bit of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then once you know, the questions are answered.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we are providing is answers to a question that nobody has been able to answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you also have, you know, the app, as well, specifically for the way distribution hitches, where, I mean, you go very precise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can really nail it down, you know, if you're having a camper that you're taking cross country, let's say, because for me, we tow two hours a day and then we switch trailers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but if you're doing cross country, let's say four, five weeks at a time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to nail it down, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, before you leave for your evocations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and the final thing, uh, called, um, we did the video F-to-F-to-F-T-T-T-O-Nag trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: This, we, uh, this was recent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we purchased the military truck, uh, which was kind of a, uh, well, a Bob Ducin-A-half, uh, we went to boy's equipment and, uh, uh, picked up one of their trucks, uh, near where you are, actually, Utah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're using a way save Goose snack ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, built in scale.
[SPEAKER_01]: The capacity is a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the Goose snack ball is ready to up to, I think that one was about thirty thousand.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it still has a scale and obviously the tongue load is a little bit higher percentage.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're talking about a goose neck or even a fifth wheel type trailer, you could have fifteen percent of the trailer weight or maybe sometimes twenty percent of the trailer weight actually on that ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: but here's us loading it and I think I have a shot there somewhere called when we're loading it where I look at the scale and this is where the time saver came into play yeah not just safety but look at this we're looking at the gauge it shows three thousand pounds which was kind of on the money yeah so we're pulling about
[SPEAKER_01]: If I remember correctly, about eighteen or nineteen thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, three thousand pounds is about fifteen percent of that or so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was within the truck's capacity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The truck had a capacity of about thirty four hundred pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're pushing the truck pretty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost to its limit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if I didn't have your hitch, I would have to load up, we're using chains and turn buckles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to go to a weight scale because it's really hard to judge this military truck.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so big and heavy, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're depending on, you know, obviously the engines in the front, but the engines.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's a caterpillar diesel.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has heavy rock wall axles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this truck is a beast.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were able to nail it down.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were on the tight schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have time to go to a scale.
[SPEAKER_01]: That particular day, or retime my vehicle, you know, move it, redo all the chains.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really a time saver as well, not just the safety item.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we're trying to do is one create safety, but also get people on the road faster with the safest tow option in the market.
[SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thanks for joining me on the special episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this was awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really enjoyed, you know, my time here in chat with you about one of our products, but also some of the messaging around who we are as a company and the direction that we're headed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love it and I love that you're introducing more products.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think you could rest on your laurels here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I love that you're offering more affordable choices because that's very important to a lot of people as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so so be on the lookout over the next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to be coming out with a lot of new products around the lower economy.
[SPEAKER_02]: line as well in the weight distribution scene and there's tons of accessories that our products team is going after.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I appreciate it, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Andre.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So with the right equipment and a little bit of knowledge, right, you could really make your life easier, simpler.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's something that's worth taking seriously, because again, when you're dealing with heavy equipment, you're pulling big trailers that weigh a lot at high speeds.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of what we do up here in the mountains, the Ike gauntlet, safety is a big concern.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes talking about safety isn't that sexy, but
[SPEAKER_00]: When you're pulling a trailer up and down, the hike, you're getting to really high elevations.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the seven percent grade and a lot of other traffic around you, especially on inner state, seventies of major, major highway.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a huge factor because, yeah, nothing would be a worse look than having an incident there, stopping all of traffic, let alone the safety aspect and losing your vehicle, losing your trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, it's, it may sound like I'm exaggerating, but I, seven, especially the Eisenhower grade.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the most dangerous, it's not just me saying it, one of the most dangerous pieces of interstate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we had a case, and Cole may be able to pull this up, where there was a fire, I think it was right before July.
[SPEAKER_01]: forth weekend where the highway was closed do do to a truck fire because it was so warm and a lot of vehicles overheat and bad things happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so breaks overheat on the downhill so yeah any any trucker that passes through this part of the country where we're based here in Colorado knows that that stretch of I-seventy is
[SPEAKER_00]: Considerably more dangerous than a lot of other parts of the country and other stretches of highway like you said weather is a huge factor but altitude and and steepness and steepness of it and also the amount of traffic that exists there you know a lot of vehicles darting around each other
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, you and I are about to do another TFL toaster test, which is another mountain towing test, which is much slower, but still fairly dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when you're toeing in the mountains, it brings a whole new element to what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that has always shocked me is just the bravery of truckers that have to pull hazardous material up and over level and pass especially in the winter because in the tunnel, in the Eisenhower tunnel, you can't move hazardous materials out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have to go up and over level and pass, which is
[SPEAKER_00]: a very challenging section of road, even for a lot of regular passenger cars that are heading out to the ski resorts, it can get a little sketchy, your traction can be not so great and it's tight, it's windy, it's steep, semi trucks have to go up and over that in the winter when.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or any time of day or night, or any time?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's no runaway truck ramps on that stretch a highway, so some pretty serious stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and yeah, and especially our TFL Toaster test, going uphill, yeah, it's a narrow stretch, you know, twenty-five mile an hour, kind of slog, but actually going downhill is really scary.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of the big reasons that anytime we buy an HD truck because we're based out here in Colorado, we typically go, and not every single time, because we have had gas HD trucks, but we typically go for a diesel,
[SPEAKER_00]: for the extra power up here at altitude if you're tone a heavy trailer here in the mountains it makes a big difference but also for the exhaust brake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly because it's another system that's slowing you down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not just the pressure of your engine and there's downsizing of engines right and pickup trucks in recent years you know people are going to lower displacements, turbochargers
[SPEAKER_01]: And those engines don't have as much back pressure as some of the older VHs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So having a diesel truck with an exhaust brake, which is a specific feature meant first to slow you down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also electric trucks are really good at this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they regenerate energy on the way down and actually it can be very effective unless your battery is full.
[SPEAKER_01]: But often when telling your battery is not full.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you actually putting energy back into it and slowing it down and actually
[SPEAKER_01]: Getting energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's pretty sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're just we're lucky to have that stretch a highway here in our backyard where we're able to test these trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a good test that we've talked to engineers at a lot of the major truck manufacturers and they've told us that they will pull trailers on that stretch of highway as well to test things out because Davis Dam is is the classic especially for managing heat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Davis Dam is a big part of drug testing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's J-H-H-O-S-A-E-Towing braiding, but they've told us that they come here to the I-Gantlet and they test there as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were even just talking to a guy that was coming through town that brought his motorcycle.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote his bike on that stretch a highway.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're saying that his bike way more than usual was struggling to get up that stretch a highway.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when we mentioned, yeah, that's that's where we do our towing test.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, wow, you know, that's impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and use the bikes have a lot of power because that is not a lot of weight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pulling down the trailer up and down that hill is is no small feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm really happy to have, you know, Braxton here and actually have that level of access, right, to a company that makes products, you know, to make towing simpler.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked a lot about saving time too, because when you can do something correctly and safely the first time, you don't have to redo it, you know, down the road or pulling away somewhere and retrying your machine and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: and loading up a trailer makes all the difference in the world anybody who's pulled trailers for any amount of time has probably had the experience of at least one time a trailer that wasn't quite balanced right and it drives horribly yeah it can be bad enough to cause an accident if you're really set it up wrong but even if it's just slightly off
[SPEAKER_00]: then your trailer handles and goes down the road very poorly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you're losing confidence, you're losing comfort.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're on the vacation, you want to be relaxed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you want things to be easy to your point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thanks for joining us on this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stay tuned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have more news.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be a little bit more news.
[SPEAKER_01]: Heavy next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take a look at some of the things that are going on, especially what's happening with cafe standards.
[SPEAKER_01]: because apparently corporate average fuel economy standards that manufacturers had to comply with and pay fines against in some instances for the last almost fifty years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those fines are no longer being enforced or at least that's changing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the incentive to comply with those cafe standards is going away.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's going away.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that I still need to wrap my head around that because that could be a big difference in trucking world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a ton going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll talk about that next time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And really really talk about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I have a project update about my Buhanka.
[SPEAKER_01]: You may have a project update next week as well with your land rover.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I also have a project update with the F-S-S-H-H-E-D.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bachelor pad yeah, and there's more exciting news to like a thirty-seven's in the portal axle that any else is putting on the grenadier and what and the quartermaster so there's a lot of cool stuff going on stuff that we'll talk about tune in next week all right thanks for joining us and we'll see you next time