[SPEAKER_07]: It's political.
[SPEAKER_07]: Thinking, radical.
[SPEAKER_04]: Shotsmith, Pearson, Joey Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_06]: John is a Tuesday evening here at the politics bar some big news that came down today but again it is not end of the world news I realize that a lot of people are like oh it's awful and yes you know a lot of news these days sucks but it's not the end of the world and we will make sure you understand that go over that with you and just kind of
[SPEAKER_06]: Get you to breathe.
[SPEAKER_06]: Get you a nice drink of the day and of course the one or only Charlie Pierce will be in the hangout with us.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, Jodie didn't didn't you wake up with Charlie?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, not really wake up, but you know, I mean, you saw Charlie this morning.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw him this morning at about seven thirty a.m.
[SPEAKER_03]: My time.
[SPEAKER_06]: So now here it is Tuesday evening and he gets to finish out the day with you as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, look how it works.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got no problem with that.
[SPEAKER_06]: One of our listeners, Tom, he gave us some comments over on Facebook.
[SPEAKER_06]: You could check it out.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of because he's got some interesting ideas about what Democrats should do, but he says he loves hanging out with us here in the bar in the evenings.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, I understand a lot of people like hanging out with you in the evenings.
[SPEAKER_06]: I enjoy hanging out with you in the evenings.
[SPEAKER_06]: Charlie, I'm sure we'll enjoy hanging out with you this evening because, you know,
[SPEAKER_06]: He's Charlie.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, come here and hey, Jody.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hi, Charlie.
[SPEAKER_06]: Always reminds me of a joke my dad used to tell me and I was like, seriously, this was one of those where I just shook my head.
[SPEAKER_06]: This was an awful dad joke.
[SPEAKER_06]: And my dad said, you know, he said, you know what the difference is between a guy who's just, you know, being a jerk when he's trying to hit on somebody and somebody who's got style in class, I said, what?
[SPEAKER_06]: And he said, the guy who's got style in class when he sticks his tongue out, he mixes eyebrows without touching his nose.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, I just kind of shook my head on my down like dad.
[SPEAKER_06]: Wow, that's.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was, he was trying.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was reaching for that one.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the same sound that I made when today the Senate Republicans ran through that massively destructive, big, ugly, disgusting, horrible, healthcare killing bill.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an abomination.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's a, that's a great word for it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Except it makes me think of a bomb and a bowl and I kind of like that character from the old.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's it for it.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was adorable.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: This bill is absolutely anything but adorable.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is.
[SPEAKER_06]: There, there were a couple provisions.
[SPEAKER_06]: We both were focused on the, the energy one.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that did not get in.
[SPEAKER_06]: However, you were telling you there's, um, uh, the AI thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: The state's or they stripped it out of the bill because they were going to say states don't have the right to regulate it for ten years or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they stripped that out of the bill, which is good.
[SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully the republic, the republicans in the house will keep that stripped from the bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah, I'm hoping I'm hoping that that will stay stripped.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's that's that's the key that people have to realize is the bill is not a done deal now.
[SPEAKER_06]: It has to go back through the house if they change any if they change a comma.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then it has to go back to the Senate or it has to go to conference committee if it goes to conference committee.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then they have to argue about what's included in what's not.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then it has to go to a vote in the House and the Senate.
[SPEAKER_06]: If it just goes back to the Senate, again, if they change even a comma, it has to go back to the House.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there is still plenty of time.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we definitely recommend that, you know, you should do
[SPEAKER_06]: call your senators call actually now you're going to call your yeah call your representative same number though two two two two two four thirty one twenty one two zero two two two four thirty one twenty one call your member of congress representative and tell them especially because representatives have to get reelected every two years and their reelection campaigns are starting now so remind them that if they would like to continue uh... a working for the federal government uh... well
[SPEAKER_03]: They have to decide who they want to please Donald Trump or Elon Musk.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, you saw that, too, huh?
[SPEAKER_06]: They're fighting again, Elon and Donald, and of course some people are saying, you know, well, Donald has the upper hand because he's got the government contracts and I'm like,
[SPEAKER_06]: Elon has the kind of money.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not a fan of Elon Musk, especially these days, but Elon has the kind of money that a friend of mine used to call FU money.
[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: He does.
[SPEAKER_06]: Considering he's the wealthiest person on the earth.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And with FU money, you can buy enough.
[SPEAKER_06]: distance that you can pretty much off anybody you want including leaders of nations.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not suggesting it and I would not say that that would be a good idea.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I'm saying that anybody who thinks that Donald Trump is untouchable.
[SPEAKER_06]: especially because Elon Musk can find out all kinds of information and I'm sure that he has it now with some of the stuff he did with those.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Donald Trump pretty much everybody in that cabinet doesn't want to know and doesn't want the public to know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Got to remember, information is a weapon and Elon has a whole bunch of those weapons now.
[SPEAKER_06]: So anybody who thinks that that fight is a fair complete and that Donald has got the upper hand really hadn't been paying attention.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Elon doesn't want to build a pass.
[SPEAKER_06]: Obviously it took away a lot of his the benefits for the energy stuff just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is it is decreasing the the tax benefits for some of for first like some of the automobile stuff, but some of the other green energy stuff, they it's still went after.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's still an absolutely horrendous bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: And there were there were a couple a couple of Democratic members of Congress back a lot of Democrats.
[SPEAKER_06]: You have to, I have to give some applause to the Democrats in the Senate.
[SPEAKER_06]: Twenty, what was it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Twenty, six, twenty, seven hours.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they tried.
[SPEAKER_03]: God bless them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They tried.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they put forward, I last count, I think it was fifty some, maybe it was sixty some amendments.
[SPEAKER_06]: that they put forward to try to try to make the bill even slightly better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't think it's slowing down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Also to slow it down.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the people understood what's in it, which is, you know, at the best, it's got what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Thirty percent approval in the country at best.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is this is something I think that sometimes people don't understand.
[SPEAKER_06]: And even even people in our business.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know you've done movies and TV and theater.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't theater too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Have you ever done music DJing at all?
[SPEAKER_06]: There is definitely something especially for those radio DJs who have done pop music, top forty music that you understand a lot and just in general as a DJ at any radio station, which is the fact that by the time that you are sick of something, a promo, a liner, a song,
[SPEAKER_06]: By the time that you're sick of it, it's only starting to be heard by the great public at that large.
[SPEAKER_06]: So when people say, why are they slowing it down?
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I'm always second tired of the government slowing things down.
[SPEAKER_06]: Democrats slowed it down because maybe you heard it because you're interested in politics like we are here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: But not everybody is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And not everybody heard about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: But the slower it went, the more time it gave people to look things up.
[SPEAKER_06]: For example, at the news on tap at the politics bar dot com, we've got the details there.
[SPEAKER_06]: People look at the details and go, oh, my god, Jim, a government from Massachusetts.
[SPEAKER_06]: He had some really good numbers on this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let me let me run him down from the DVR.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's built showers and the wealthiest Americans with tax cuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get this, a family making less than fifty thousand dollars per year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then get less than one dollar a day in tax cuts.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't buy a damn cup of coffee with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But those making a million dollars a year or more, well, they'll get more than two hundred fifty dollars a day in tax breaks or ninety six thousand dollars tax breaks on average in a single year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's even worse than the original house bill.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how rigged this bill is to benefit the wealthy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and this bill is there's no joke on that.
[SPEAKER_06]: This this bill is awful.
[SPEAKER_06]: Worc yet Brendan Boyle from Pennsylvania had he really put the screws.
[SPEAKER_06]: He put it out there.
[SPEAKER_06]: This bill is going to be the worst that the greatest loss of health care in American history.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'll play this one too here.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think this will come down.
[SPEAKER_05]: to one vote yet again, whether or not this becomes long.
[SPEAKER_05]: And if it does, it will be the greatest loss of health care in American history.
[SPEAKER_05]: Nonpartisan congressional budget office has confirmed seventeen million Americans.
[SPEAKER_05]: And let me explain how they arrive at that number.
[SPEAKER_05]: Roughly half of that is due to the largest Medicaid cuts in American history.
[SPEAKER_05]: But another half of it,
[SPEAKER_05]: is due to changes and allowing certain tax credits and provisions to expire in the Affordable Care Act or Obamacare.
[SPEAKER_05]: I give the other side credit.
[SPEAKER_05]: They have been working like hell for fifteen years to do away with Obamacare.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is the closest that they've ever come.
[SPEAKER_05]: Millions and millions today currently on Obamacare will lose it if this becomes law.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's not all.
[SPEAKER_05]: As we confirm again from CBO a few weeks ago, due to the massive increase in deficit spending in this bill, there have to be four percent Medicare cuts.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's over five hundred billion dollars worth of cuts to Medicare.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Medicaid cuts, affordable care act ACA cuts, Medicare cuts, the largest loss of health care in American history.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's if this thing passes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, then like I said earlier, JD Vance tweeted or whatever that he's like, Oh, the minutiae, you know, Medicare, blah, blah, blah, people are going to really worry about that because they really only care about the border, which we're giving more than we give to the Marines as we said yesterday in this bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: Pip, I mean, we know that J.D.
[SPEAKER_06]: Vance is an idiot.
[SPEAKER_06]: He had to break the tie.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a, it was at fifty fifty tie.
[SPEAKER_06]: He had to break it because there were three Republican votes against this thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So at least that we were able to convince three of them, which is better than originally.
[SPEAKER_06]: It had been two.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the people who said that, oh, this was just, you know, it was a done deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_06]: We were able to give a third vote.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, quit given up before we get there.
[SPEAKER_06]: We got a lot of fight left.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: But look, the numbers, you want the minutia there, JD Vance?
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's the minutia.
[SPEAKER_06]: One point six trillion dollars will be cut in aid for hospitals, especially rural hospitals and nursing homes.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you like your grandma living with you,
[SPEAKER_06]: Good luck, folks.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what's going to happen in this bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: From this bill, nine hundred and thirty billion dollar cut for Medicaid, five hundred billion dollar cut as Representative Boyle said for Medicare, three hundred billion cut from the ACA, the secondary estimates of how many people are going to be losing health insurance are now somewhere between seventeen and twenty million.
[SPEAKER_06]: Charles Gabba, who does ACA sonups.net, he's in that great, great health data website out there.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's figuring stuff out now.
[SPEAKER_06]: But he's already said, I mean, he's been doing the data for for healthcare stuff for I think dozen years or something like this.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he says for everybody else who's still whether you have private insurance or whether you have your insurance through the ACA, you're probably going to have to pick a worse plan.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's going to cost you more all of that because Republicans are jamming through this bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: So
[SPEAKER_06]: Just as you guys are coming in to the bar tonight here at the politics bar just you guys understand what's at stake.
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is definitely why you need to be calling your members of the house now your representative's two zero two two two four thirty one twenty one and tell them hell no and tell them if you vote yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well make sure you ask is gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well I'm ready to talk to my general physician about how much would it cost me to just come to you twice a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: without my insurance.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think technically they call that concierge care, but there's a lot of people who a lot of doctors just take the cash.
[SPEAKER_03]: I had a car factory years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, well, your insurance isn't really going to cover this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we'll have much as a cost.
[SPEAKER_03]: It goes six hundred bucks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like done here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know,
[SPEAKER_06]: They're starting to go outside the system too, because the system is not helping doctors, it's not helping patients, it's not helping hospitals.
[SPEAKER_06]: The only people that it's benefiting is great, big, giant health insurance corporations.
[SPEAKER_06]: And while I do not, in any way, condone what Luigi did, that's the kind of anger that kind of thing, that kind of inequality generates.
[SPEAKER_06]: got some choices folks and this is by far not done yet so well you know settle in we'll get you more information there is more news on tap there's some fun stuff today some good news there's a great drink of the day jodie picked an excellent one today especially for you people who like to stop well
[SPEAKER_06]: I ain't popsicles, you do suck on those.
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, well, well, well, well, well, we'll talk about that on the way.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is a Tuesday night here at the politics bar with the one and only Jody Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course me, Sean Smith Pierce gets yourself a nice drink.
[SPEAKER_06]: Refresh it, come back, we'll get you more news on tap.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like I said, we'll do the drink of the day coming up hang on.
[SPEAKER_08]: We'll be right back after we'd pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: Tuesday nights here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: We hope you are.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a little bit to this music.
[SPEAKER_06]: We always like to music.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, Lonnie.
[SPEAKER_06]: We love the music.
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, we love all of your comments and questions wherever they happen to be on whatever platform is out there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look, you can reach us on any of those platforms.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can go on Facebook.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_06]: Of course, we're on Blue Sky and Threads.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're on Twitter X. You can go to Substack.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're on all of those platforms.
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, you can always give us a call.
[SPEAKER_06]: Leave us a voicemail.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we'll get you on the show here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Two one three six seven seven seven seven seven two fifty eight.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's two one three six seven seven salt like in a margarita.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: We love margaritas.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Although although I do like the the popsicle drink.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know I'm kind of teasing that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, isn't that your job?
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, kind of yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look, look, you want to bring people into the bargain and they say, what you got there?
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, may I come in?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's the idea.
[SPEAKER_06]: Come on in.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hang out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hang with your friends.
[SPEAKER_06]: Have a good time.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are all here.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are glad you are here as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, Johnny.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there's more to life in this stupid, big ass ugly bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: For example, the immigration wars.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Trump went down to Florida today to what Joan Walsh accurately I think calls alligator Auschwitz.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's absolutely right.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's you saw I know you saw the picture that's on the front page of the politics bar dot comets in the graphic there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it is literally so these these cells at this camp people are like, oh, I'm so amazed it went up so fast.
[SPEAKER_06]: So these cells at this deportation camp, this concentration camp is, that's exactly what it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's, they're basically dog kennels.
[SPEAKER_06]: They are fences.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then they put, you know, like a bed and a few other things in there.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's under pretend.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's in alligator alley in a sensitive wetlands area.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: And hurricane season is just begun.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, which brilliant.
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, so yeah, it is, it's at Horrent.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can check out a couple of the videos that go over that in the news on Tap Today at the politicsbar.com.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ice raids, the more that they are going on, the more that it's happening, crops are getting unharvested.
[SPEAKER_06]: Farmers are losing some of their crops.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then you're going to have crop insurance go up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Poquit, of course, going to make costs for just insurance companies of all kinds go up.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and since insurance companies have big umbrellas like that, they will, you know, if in a farmers and enough businesses have, you know, their losses from insurance, and it's probably going to make your insurance of one kind or other go up.
[SPEAKER_06]: So.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and it's just going to make food prices go up since everything's going to waste.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, big time food prices prices are restaurants.
[SPEAKER_06]: So last time I checked, some of the people who said they voted for Trump and Republicans, they said, oh, well, well, we want, we want prices to go down.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, no, this ain't going to do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's, uh, any hope.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, there was a seventy five year old Cuban immigrant who died in ice custody, uh, guy been here basically most of his life like sixty plus sixty plus years.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we've got a couple of views on one of them Greg Sargent in the news on tap today as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: And bigger discussion, we're definitely going to have to have this question with Charlie Pierce when he gets here a little bit later today or tonight, whichever.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, it's a whole day, whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: There are questions regarding the Fourteenth Amendment about citizenship.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you and I've touched on this before about how the reason the Fourteenth Amendment is so sharp.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I know this because some of our legal friends, I've listened to them.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't remember who it was on this one that said this.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think I heard one of their podcasts or something.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Fourteenth Amendment is very, very sharp and clear because it has to be.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because if you have different levels of citizenship, then it's just a question of nudging the line as to who's a citizen and who isn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if you can, if you are allowed to abuse the hell out of people who aren't citizens, let's say you could literally beat them to death.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's gruesome, it's awful.
[SPEAKER_06]: But that's basically what they're saying you can do.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, if you could do that to non-citizens, and all they have to do legally is nudge the line between making you a citizen and a non-citizen, or a partial citizen, what's to say they couldn't just easily move you all the way from citizen to non-citizen because they want to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, Donald is threatening to unnaturize Mandani.
[SPEAKER_06]: right, denatralize.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's that that's a phrase you're starting to hear the the Trump DOJ they've been they've been talking about this it's all part of project twenty twenty five but denatralization is basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they take people who were who will become citizens who work to be citizen which by the way most of us that were born here can't pass that test.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, the citizenship test.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's it's not easy.
[SPEAKER_06]: The citizenship test is I'm not saying it's impossible, especially for for if if if you are up on the news, if you're up on politics, if you're interested in intelligent with those kind of things like, you know, a lot of folks here at the bar, then I get it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's it's not it's probably not going to be as hard for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: But there are a lot of people who aren't necessarily that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I remember a friend of mine, she's English from England.
[SPEAKER_03]: And when she decided to become a citizen which was fifteen years ago, maybe close to that.
[SPEAKER_03]: What was funny was when she was going to her final interview.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because they just go through a checklist when they're interviewing me.
[SPEAKER_06]: The questions, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is English your first language?
[SPEAKER_03]: My friend looks up at her and she gets, well, I'm from England.
[SPEAKER_03]: So... I think English.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm glad your friend is not as sarcastic and sassy because, you know, honestly, if somebody, if I had been English and somebody asked me that, I just would have looked at them and said, nine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, are you fluent in English or something like, well, I'm from England.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the perfect question.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is your first language English?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, nine.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, what do you, you know, that's that that's where you, that's where you look at the person go, I get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would you just, I mean, you surely pay attention to who you're interviewing and where they're country of fortune is, but it was kind of funny when you told me that it was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's one of those water is wet fire is hot things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You just like, come on, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean to strip people of their citizenship.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hi, Melania.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, that is that is Joyce fans has a great piece on that too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Charlie had a good win.
[SPEAKER_06]: Joyce has a good one too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Joyce goes about in her piece she talks about basically kind of what what that partial citizenship kind of thing means.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think people realize
[SPEAKER_06]: how dangerous, just even that, and I'm not saying just talking about it, but I'm saying them talking about it officially saying, yeah, we could do this because that's, that's no joke.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's absurd.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they're dead serious about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's certainly not for English people or people from Slovenia.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, because this is the thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Joyce Joyce goes through this and in and one of their, their new things in this list, they have like ten checklists, ten, ten things on their checklist.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the tenth thing is basically
[SPEAKER_06]: And what we're talking about is, so what the Trump regime wants to do is prioritize denaturalization cases.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the prioritization is something that is done throughout the government.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is something that the executive branch often does.
[SPEAKER_06]: They say we want you to pay more attention to this instead of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: For example, when Donald Trump said he wanted to go after immigrants who were criminals, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: In technical terms, what he was saying is, as I will tell the Department of Homeland Security to prioritize getting rid of people who are here illegally, who are criminals, which he has not done.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: But what they're saying with this new list of prioritization is it's a checklist, just like with your friend.
[SPEAKER_06]: Except the tenth thing of a checklist is basically whatever the F we want.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they can prioritize putting anyone, including you and me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Citizens who are born here, but because they can make it up and they can go, well, you know, you guys are, you know, left-leading, progressive, liberal talk.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we think you people should be shut up permanently.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we're going to prioritize that on the list.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we're going to put you guys in the camp right next to Stephanie and Dino Badala and John Fox.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's a fun camp.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, look, it'd be a fun camp.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't think we'd be there all that long because I mean, you know, with our intelligence, we'd find a way out of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But at the same time, I would really prefer not to do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to get together maybe, you know, one of our houses.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we don't need to do a going to camp for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or we just have everybody here to the bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm fine with that, too.
[SPEAKER_06]: but you know that yet no no let's let's camping can be fun this is not one of the ways that I would like to know I like hotel camping oh my wife my wife loves that I used to years ago I worked with my brother-in-law to place it sold RVs and things like that
[SPEAKER_06]: And she, you know, my wife was all like, oh, no, I hate RVs.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then I said, okay, just, you know, look, look at this was kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, no, I don't problem with an RV, but oh, they have some of them.
[SPEAKER_06]: They've got, like, slide out some aside.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're, they're nicer than some houses.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she's like, okay, for maybe a weekend.
[SPEAKER_06]: I would still prefer hotel, but that's that's the really nice one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I said in a friend of mine, he owns an Airbnb out near Joshua Tree and some friends of mine were coming in the town so we all just kind of went there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I got the RV and it was really nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, because he's got this huge compound and it's a really lovely place and it was just it was like, I got the RV nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you can get there.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's some really nice ones out there.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I, you know, I'm not necessarily against them.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know how they're built.
[SPEAKER_06]: So at least I can tell you if they're decent or not.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and if they're, if you're getting over charged for it, but, but the water's working different jobs.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, speaking of people who are working different jobs, I was pleased and surprised for those people who've been saying, where is Obama, which look first of all, remember we told you he's not a super citizen.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a citizen just like you and me, but he and Bush surprised and they both spoke out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, which I was like, wait a minute about the, um, and USA ID that a lot of the headlines just missed this.
[SPEAKER_06]: I said, Oh, it's the last day of US yesterday was the last day of USA ID as an independent agency.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is now a sub-department of the state department under, you know, Marco the traitor Rubio.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it still exists.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not the end.
[SPEAKER_06]: But Obama and Bush were really pointing out the same thing that actually there was a report that came out yesterday.
[SPEAKER_06]: Reach researchers have confirmed that the Trump and Republican USAID cuts will likely lead to fourteen million deaths over the next five years.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Things like AIDS, malaria, tuberculosis,
[SPEAKER_06]: This is no joke.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and one of the good things that George W. Bush did was help with HIV stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so it's like, no wonder he's, I mean, I'm not a fan of George W. Bush by any stretch of the imagination, but that was one of the good things he did do.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look, you know, we've said this before here at the bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: The general rule of thumb is you give credit where credit is due.
[SPEAKER_06]: Give kudos to people when they do things right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you condemn them when they do things wrong.
[SPEAKER_06]: When somebody does something that sucks, you don't say, well, they're on my team.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I can't, and I don't mean it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't mean this is, so this is a difference between a lot of the younger, more liberal people and some of us older hands who have a little bit more wisdom.
[SPEAKER_06]: There is a place in a time to critique the people on your own team.
[SPEAKER_06]: and people say, but if I don't tell the whole world, they're not going to know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Unless you're Barack Obama, or George W. Bush, or Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, it doesn't matter so much if you tell the world.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it does matter if you tell the people who are your representatives, who are your mayors, who are your governors or state representatives, because, you know, look, your mom is important to me because she's your mom, not because she's Carol Burnett.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you and I didn't know each other, I might be a fan of your mom, but your mom wouldn't know me, and it should be like, oh, it's a fan.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's nice, and I appreciate, and I think that's great.
[SPEAKER_06]: But there's not a whole lot of connection.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because, you know, we're partners in this venture, and you're my friend.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's important that my friend's mom is doing okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a relationship there.
[SPEAKER_06]: To Brendan Boyle in Pennsylvania.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're hosts on a show, and we talk, and this is great.
[SPEAKER_06]: But he doesn't represent either one of us.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Professionally, there's no relationship there.
[SPEAKER_06]: So if he did something wrong and I got out on social media, and I screamed and hollered, first of all, I don't even know if he's he's looking his social media.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And second of all, even if he'd be like, this person is up, nobody to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: So who cares?
[SPEAKER_06]: So y'all who think that, you know, you, everything you do every time you got to call out a politician.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you really want to get their attention, especially if they're member of Congress, pick up your phone and call their office.
[SPEAKER_06]: They literally have tab sheets next to the phone.
[SPEAKER_06]: If it's about major issues, they have tick marks.
[SPEAKER_06]: These number of people called about killed a bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: But if it's something else, especially if you're genuine and honest and you treat the staff are nicely.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you say, I'm calling because so and so is my representative or so and so is my senator.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm really mad because the thing that you did is going to actually affect me.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm mad enough that I'm going to see if I can go campaign, you know, help somebody else's campaign against you.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is inexcusable, and I don't mean to take it out on you staffer, but this is just not okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: You say they get those messages.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, they do, especially phone calls.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they will pay attention to those.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a way to critique your own side.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it isn't by going out and putting them on blast.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's by doing it privately.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's by doing it tactfully.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's that's not writing a book that you only sell eighty-seven thousand copies of.
[SPEAKER_06]: Take a paper.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sorry about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know something caught there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it was integrity.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know he doesn't have that these days.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are having a good time with you here Tuesday night at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: We do have that drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think I think we can talk about that next.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we can talk about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: We can talk about my shirts.
[SPEAKER_06]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I got a new shirt.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll have to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And of course, we'll talk about more of the news on tap today because the theme of the next segment, things that suck.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll talk about that drink of the day first coming out of the break and get yourself a refresher on your drink and come back.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's the politics bar with Jody Hamilton and me, Sean Smith Pierce.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is a Tuesday night and you are hanging out with us at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully you're going to have to cut a little bit of a rug dance around having a good time.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can always call us and tell us what you're doing as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you just want to leave a voice mail, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_06]: Two one three six seven seven seven seven two fifty eight two one three six seven seven.
[SPEAKER_06]: Salt.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or of course, you can leave us a message on our social media.
[SPEAKER_06]: Blue sky threads Instagram Facebook Twitter or some stack.
[SPEAKER_06]: because, you know, that's how it works.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, and by the way, if you're going to leave us a message to Substack, you can just subscribe there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Remember, subscribe for free, or if you just pay six dollars a month, six dollar cover charge, get you all the goodies at the politicsbar.com.
[SPEAKER_06]: Including, by the way, the drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, we said that this, the theme of this segment is going to be things that suck.
[SPEAKER_06]: And quite frankly, the drink of the day today is things that suck, but it's good.
[SPEAKER_11]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was I was very surprised when I I looked at up you you put that up in our are you know are our stuff on sub stack and I looked at the draft and I was like oh cuz it's I mean it's hot here today.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's there's some storms here, but you know he was a summer man.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to get hot July is notoriously hot.
[SPEAKER_06]: true true it is summer and what is better in the summer time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then a popsicle exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is part of the drink of the day today.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is what is officially the drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is called a poolside popsicle spritzer.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is to make it for six people so invite some friends over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you need six wine glasses or something along those lines.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Six sticks to make popsicles like, you know, tongue depressors.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Basically or if you really want it, you know, to file your nails and nail file.
[SPEAKER_03]: Six four ounce popsicle molds, which you can get at a store, like a grocery store or some other store.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you can make your own too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, one and a half cups of pineapple juice.
[SPEAKER_03]: half cup of mango juicer nectar two ounces of vodka a lime thinly sliced into rounds one bottle which is seven hundred fifty milliliters a normal bottle of sparkling white rosé or orange wine I've never had it orange wine I would be interesting
[SPEAKER_06]: That would be interesting with that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I had a glass of orange wine once and I was like, hmm, but I would didn't put it with anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've never had it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's I've had all sorts of other kinds of wine, but never that.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: And some club soda for serving.
[SPEAKER_03]: So here's what you're going to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And a medium bowl or a measuring cup stir the pineapple juice, mango juice and vodka.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Place one to two lime slices into the six four ounce popsicle modes, molds, excuse me, carefully fill each mold with pineapple juice mixture.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cover and insert the sticks.
[SPEAKER_03]: And freeze until solid, at least four hours are overnight.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're planning on having people over and you know they're coming over at a specific time and you want to serve this, you've got to pre-make the popsicle side of the drink.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's like I said, that's the hardest part is the waiting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Tom Petty always said so.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, he would, he would have known.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, and then so once everything's done, you pour your four, you've pour four ounces each of sparkling wine into the six wine glasses and then top with a splash of club soda and then place the popsicle into the glass.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you've got it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you can kind of dip it in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You've got your wine to sit with the club soda and then you've got the boozy spot in the nice little thing that looks like you were kid.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: See, that's that's that's the kind of thing where you want the wine glasses that are stemless.
[SPEAKER_06]: See that way they're less likely to break when you're out by the pool.
[SPEAKER_03]: True.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And acrylic.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've really nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've really pretty a clear acrylic ones that look real.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really do.
[SPEAKER_06]: Then you don't even have to worry about glass breaking out by the people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we have, I mean, because we do have a pool in my house and not in the outside.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we have a pool in our backyard and I no longer allow people with beer bottles or anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like no.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah, because I mean if you got your shoes off.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you're you bare feet.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you don't want glass break in and especially if you got animals around.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the children running around you just don't like I said animals.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Totally animals, but I mean also glass breaks and it falls in the pool.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't find it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, then you have to drain the whole thing and oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, it's very dangerous to have glass around a pool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, the acrylic wine glasses are very pretty and they look just like a regular wine glass in a furnace.
[SPEAKER_06]: Be good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Enjoy the drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_06]: Get out your pool noodles and your rafts and all that and they use the acrylic glasses.
[SPEAKER_06]: You should be fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, back to the news on tap for the day.
[SPEAKER_06]: Honestly, some of the media stuff doesn't surprise me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Paramount and Trump are reportedly in advanced settlement talks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Paramount, the parent company of CBS, which is stupid, although I did see.
[SPEAKER_06]: I didn't put this because behind a paywall, but I saw Oliver Darcy, who used to be at CNN.
[SPEAKER_06]: He has his own newsletter called Status.
[SPEAKER_06]: And behind the news behind the paywall, he talks about how basically the staff of CBS news has really put it to the executives at CBS in Paramount that says, if you go through with this, they will pretty much tank sixty minutes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's like, you know, you want to do this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the problem is, is it Sherry Redstone?
[SPEAKER_03]: She's running CBS right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that who it is?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, so this is this is a little media chatter talk, but there has been some speculation for a long time.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sherry Redstone currently owns CBS and she and well, she owns Paramount and and and she wants to sell that whole thing to Skydance because she's got cancer.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she wants to make a nice big nest egg before she dies so she can hand it over.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that is one of the speculations of some people that that's why she's trying to push this so fast is because she's she's worried about the merger and and all that stuff and it's like hey lady.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry you're not feeling well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry that you're going through this, but you already make a fortune.
[SPEAKER_06]: right exactly exactly one hundred percent exactly and i'm like you know and and they're sure your family if they're if you've got a yeah i'm sure they're going to be fine with whatever you decide to leave behind and if they're not then they're jerks right exactly whether whether your family's rich or poor i mean you know and especially if your family's already rich making them even richer
[SPEAKER_06]: No, that's which, of course, as we know, the Big Ugly Bill does.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we'll talk more about that that Big Ugly Bill will Charlie Pierce when he gets here.
[SPEAKER_06]: There is some fun news in entertainment.
[SPEAKER_06]: Devil Wears product, too, has started filming apparently Meryl Streep and halfway Emily Blond Stanley Tucci all coming back, which
[SPEAKER_06]: I dig that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, one of my favorite lines in a movie is Emily Blunt, when she's talking about going to the fashion thing in France, and she turns to Anne Hathaway's character, and she says, well, I don't eat anything all day long, but when I get faint, when I feel faint, I eat a cube of cheese.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know I'm paraphrasing because it's not the exact line, but it's a funny thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I like, look, every single one of those actors, I enjoy a lot of the things that they've done.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's kind of fun to have them all in the same place and see the interaction.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think if they do it, well, it'll be a very fun movie.
[SPEAKER_03]: A Stanley Tucci's character in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's so brilliant in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's just as an actor goes.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's just, he's really good at his craft.
[SPEAKER_03]: Phone levels him in murder one years ago, did you ever watch that series?
[SPEAKER_06]: I saw that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm trying to remember if I knew knew about him before that or not.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because I think did he do Broadway before that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure he did, but I mean, that kind of put him on that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was so good in that.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you get y'all, it was on ABC in the nineties.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was really, really good.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sure if you search your streamers out there, you can probably find that one.
[SPEAKER_06]: Really?
[SPEAKER_06]: Just something you will not find yet is the new BTS album for those of you who like the K-pop band.
[SPEAKER_06]: They are now all out of the Korean military.
[SPEAKER_06]: They all have to do mandatory service.
[SPEAKER_06]: They did.
[SPEAKER_06]: And yeah, that's a Korean thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: They all got to do, you know, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like what's real makes you do too.
[SPEAKER_03]: They make you do too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: But now all the members of the band are out and they have said that they are going to have a new album and a new tour next year.
[SPEAKER_06]: So spring of twenty twenty six.
[SPEAKER_03]: Good for them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: Shai Gilgis Alexander, who we talked about.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the MVP of the NBA season and the NBA host season.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ham and his team, the OKC Thunder, have agreed to a record contract extension.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's going to pay the most for a single year of any NBA player ever, which that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, a five hundred was no two hundred eighty five million.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: I could.
[SPEAKER_06]: I almost cursed like that, too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's, it's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm always very good at the game, but I have my issues with athletes being overplayed like that, but as somebody who used to run a college sports network or be responsible for it, I should say, since, you know, multiple people run it.
[SPEAKER_06]: The deal that I am, that I always have to remind people of.
[SPEAKER_06]: While I don't agree, I still think the amounts that a lot of the star professional athletes in whatever sport are getting paid, men far more than women, which shouldn't be the case, but it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: But they're earning their earnings pretty much for the rest of their life.
[SPEAKER_06]: True.
[SPEAKER_06]: And most professional athletes are only professional athletes for about ten to twelve years.
[SPEAKER_03]: If they're lucky.
[SPEAKER_06]: If they're lucky, if they're lucky, they're able to do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if they're lucky and they're really good, they can do it for maybe a decade.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then they're going to live to sixty or seventy.
[SPEAKER_06]: They have a little bit shorter lifespan.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they're also paying literally with the end of their life there.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's just unfortunately how that works.
[SPEAKER_06]: But if you think about it, so they get to thirty.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thirty thirty two thirty five, they're done.
[SPEAKER_06]: That means they literally have half their life.
[SPEAKER_06]: And what else are you going to do at that point?
[SPEAKER_06]: You are car dealerships.
[SPEAKER_06]: Some of them, some of them do John L.A.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, but long and short there are, especially the people who earn a lot of money, but don't earn the guns, oh money.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're still earning their money for another.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, yeah, I mean, you got your bench warmers that they're never going to and they're getting a half million dollars a year or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, you know, comparative, it's still a lot of money a year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to say half.
[SPEAKER_03]: And for ten years, that's a decent some of money or fifteen years if you're playing a bench, you're not going to get hurt.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, and that's a decent amount of money.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you're smart with your money,
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, but the idea is that the reason that they get paid that kind of some of it is the ridiculousness of the media environment that we're in, but some of it is simply because of the fact that they are expanding both life energy really and the fact that
[SPEAKER_06]: Whatever else they do, while the statistical odds of them being stars in the NBA, WNBA, MLB, whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Very small.
[SPEAKER_06]: This statistical odds of them also being a star in something else, whether it's accounting or music or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Broadcast, a lot of them don't broadcasting.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is also even smaller.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is just the thinnest slice.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the most money they're going to make at the in their life for the rest of their life is at that point in time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand what you're saying, but two hundred eighty five million dollars.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to disagree with that either.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I, you know, it's, it's, it's that it's that thing of, uh, you know, kind of like we were talking with Chris yesterday about, you know, the law and then how the answer is somewhere between the two polls.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is the kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, they should definitely not be paid twenty eight and a half thousand dollars a year.
[SPEAKER_06]: million, but two hundred eighty five million is also a little less.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm saying one of the story and if I'm million, the other one is yeah, because like, you know, yeah, so you sit there and go, okay, somewhere between that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I know, so I mean, a lot of these guys less so I mean, basketball you can have a
[SPEAKER_03]: horrible injury that not only is career ending, but worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: But like football players, you know, the injuries that that they can get to kill them, you know, CTE let alone that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I remember watching Dion Sanders fall once and how he fell, I'm shocked he didn't break his neck.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's it is I get it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's why I said I understand the danger.
[SPEAKER_06]: I understand all those things.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's why I'm saying I get it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But
[SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of along the lines of just because we need to pay teachers more because we need to spend more money on investing in our cities, investing in our people.
[SPEAKER_06]: That doesn't necessarily mean that rich people are bad.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it doesn't mean that rich people should pay a hell of a lot more in taxes.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: see we find a find that happy middle we try to do that sometimes we're at here at the politics bar uh something we also try to do is try to find Charlie Pierce and get him into the bar because you know depending on which way he gets here sometimes is you know come around to the front Charlie
[SPEAKER_06]: He'll be here.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll talk about some of his latest pieces in Esquire Magazine.
[SPEAKER_06]: Of the news of the day news on tap can always check that to at the politics bar dot com freshen up your drink hang around with us more on Tuesday night with one and only joty Hamilton and me Sean Smith Pierce know there are no duplicates of me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't worry about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Come on back.
[SPEAKER_10]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills in the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_10]: Well, let it go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ready?
[SPEAKER_06]: it's a Tuesday night here at the politics bar we were able to get Charlie Pierce to come around the building to the front because you know Charlie goes wherever Charlie wants to go and generally it's a good thing it has led him some great stories but occasionally we're like just come to the front door the bar it's fine it's fine
[SPEAKER_06]: Charlie's here with us for hour two.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are glad you are here with us as well.
[SPEAKER_06]: From wherever you happen to be listening, whether it's one of our affiliates online, like America, one radio online or detour talk radio in Tennessee, or hey, maybe you listen to AM, nine, fifty online in the Twin Cities or WCPT AM, a twenty are progressive voices radio or maybe you're one of those future people.
[SPEAKER_06]: as we say who are listening to us on the podcast, in which case we cannot tell you what the weather is outside right now because we have no idea when you're listening to it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But we're glad that you subscribed to the podcast at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: Amen.
[SPEAKER_09]: All right.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure that people listening to this with their phones under their pillows.
[SPEAKER_09]: Like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: We used to do with AM radio.
[SPEAKER_09]: I remember doing that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You listened to the Royale's games when I was growing up.
[SPEAKER_06]: So look, I grew up in Nebraska.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Royale's were the closest team.
[SPEAKER_09]: So that's Cardinal.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_06]: Cardinals are in general.
[SPEAKER_06]: In general, I have a few Cardinals friends that I joke about that I've worked with in radio and I often tell people that Cardinals fans have this.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a problem with physics.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's called Alter Gravity, they believe the universe revolves around them.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's no lie.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, Lisa and I used to argue about this a lot.
[SPEAKER_09]: We claimed that Red Sox fans were the most self-indulgent and arrogant.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I said, and I said, ah, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_09]: We're not claiming to play baseball the right way.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or to have the best fans in baseball.
[SPEAKER_09]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, come on.
[SPEAKER_09]: All right, wait a minute, we're losing Jody.
[SPEAKER_09]: We'll throw Jody back.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a problem with this sports talk.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like the sports.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: See, I mean, she's very good about this kind of stuff too.
[SPEAKER_06]: In fact, there is there's some fun stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: We talked about some of some of the stuff here, Charlie, like WNBA, the WNBA.
[SPEAKER_06]: Our saw all-star game is coming up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Page Packers and AJ Wilson are in there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's coming.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: Page Packers.
[SPEAKER_09]: Sabrina, I announced you and Caitlin Clark run the same team.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's a team.
[SPEAKER_09]: But the other three people three people who in their careers have been declared the future of one of his basketball.
[SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: I am so that yeah, and you heard you heard Charlie.
[SPEAKER_06]: I bet you're that the the league is expanding to eighteen teams over the next five years.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm making no Venus that this isn't a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_09]: But you know, you got to you.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I hate to be a cliche, but you have to strike when they're inside.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, no more popular.
[SPEAKER_09]: So right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Did they know where they're going yet?
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Cincinnati isn't it or.
[SPEAKER_06]: We said, uh, yesterday.
[SPEAKER_06]: They've done it for stadiums.
[SPEAKER_06]: They've done it for.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what that was.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was here.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's one of those were all of a sudden you're your computer just to clink.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, but I was looking at our news yesterday, the news on tap yesterday.
[SPEAKER_06]: And let me check.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know one of them is Cleveland.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one's Cleveland.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to say Detroit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: That will make sense.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Cleveland and Detroit and Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the third one.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I got there wasn't a team in Philadelphia already.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, there was a one time and then they got rid of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now they're going to bring one back.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's a huge basketball audience.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's it.
[SPEAKER_09]: And look, we can't we can't have one because we're casino and Connecticut.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, but won't let people have one in Boston.
[SPEAKER_06]: Which, look, you know, the the nationals and the Orioles had this agreement quote unquote for the longest time.
[SPEAKER_06]: And nobody they said, Oh, you guys can't, you know, share the TV rights because the two cities are so close and blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now they finally gotten around that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah, you know, you can't push them for Charlie.
[SPEAKER_09]: You could WMB a team there, you know, but yeah, you know what you got to do, Sean, you got to bring Jody to a Nebraska women's volleyball game.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: In joke.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, with ninety two thousand and three people.
[SPEAKER_06]: Heck yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have no problem.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love all they might used to play.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not good, but I could play.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it's it's fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the funny thing is is that the stadium is actually my old office because that's where I was when I was the executive producer of the Husker Sports Radio Network.
[SPEAKER_06]: My office was literally in that stadium.
[SPEAKER_09]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: So when we when will you the executive producer of the Husker Sports Radio Network?
[SPEAKER_06]: Two thousand six to two thousand seven.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's Bob Polini.
[SPEAKER_09]: Uh huh.
[SPEAKER_06]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, sir.
[SPEAKER_09]: You had to like coordinate the Bob Polini show.
[SPEAKER_06]: Uh huh.
[SPEAKER_06]: I coordinated all of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_06]: Football volleyball men's basketball women's basketball softball baseball and a three hour live sports talk show five nights a week, fifty two weeks a year.
[SPEAKER_09]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're a hardworking man.
[SPEAKER_09]: Anyway, anyway, I think we've avoided the big, the big ugly bill.
[SPEAKER_09]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: That, that, that, that bill is so ugly.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you know, look, I've had some friends who've dated some ugly people in my time, but man, this, I've never seen anything this ugly.
[SPEAKER_06]: This thing is just, oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, it's dress.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, no, it's, no, and Lisa Marcosquita's now a sugar cell for retirement and political infamy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: My god.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, for, well, I've said, I've said for a long time, Charlie, that when it comes down to it, the modern Republican motto is five words.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's short, so they can remember it, but it's five words.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've got mine, F.U.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she embodied that with what she tried to do for those people in the bar who don't necessarily know Charlie, can you refresh their brains a little bit on this one?
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I mean, they spent like
[SPEAKER_09]: What?
[SPEAKER_09]: Thirty-six hours, flying her with, with, uh, Carvots.
[SPEAKER_09]: Carvots.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: For Alaska until she finally, you know, went the tank.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So like some of the health care stuff that's going to harm the rest of us isn't going to harm her.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, if you don't, I mean, she just sold out like Alzheimer's patients in Oklahoma and, uh, you know, sick children in Tennessee and, and, and, you know, uh,
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, poor people in Arizona, just so she could go back to her constituents.
[SPEAKER_09]: And in a state where practically nobody lives, I would point out.
[SPEAKER_09]: And say, look what I did for you.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, you're a senator for of the United States.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're not a member of the house.
[SPEAKER_09]: You do not, you are not married to your for a parolekial interest.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And look, even if she was, even if you did say, look, she needed to prioritize the needs of Alaskan's first.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't think people who live in Alaska have relatives and friends and people that all go to the streets and other states.
[SPEAKER_06]: On top of which insurance companies, if there's a health insurance company that covers people in Alaska, it's going to cover people probably in the rest of the United States and the territories.
[SPEAKER_06]: And when the insurance rates go up on those people, they aren't going to go, well, you got this cut out.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, those those private insurance companies that that part of the AC that you're protecting their rates is not in the cut-out that she got as far as I understand.
[SPEAKER_06]: So those rates are going to go up to.
[SPEAKER_09]: And she's, you know, she's obviously well, she's obviously willing to swing for what eighteen billion dollars.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you know, for for increased ice.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're going to get what now over forty five is in my right on this journey over forty three to forty billion dollars is what ice is going to be given, which is more than we give to the Marines.
[SPEAKER_09]: insane insane and and I I look I I and and she actually came out and said that it's her preference that the tax that the Trump tax cuts remain permanent.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and you know and you and that's pure that's pure Republicans.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that's that's pure Republicans.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's pure garbage.
[SPEAKER_06]: How they did that, too, as far as trying to to account for that.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, I give I give a
[SPEAKER_09]: I was a bit the problem in Terion as much credit as I can.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, we did what you could true.
[SPEAKER_06]: And she was straight down the line.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, they're things, but she's I mean, they would she would rule things out and she would rule them out.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wasn't one of them was.
[SPEAKER_06]: Was it the energy track tax credit journey?
[SPEAKER_06]: One of them was like this thing where the Republican said that they wanted to to kill it for the next ten years and she said, no, you can't do it for ten years.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they came back and said, how about for one year?
[SPEAKER_06]: So fine for one year.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: So no, it was awful.
[SPEAKER_09]: And, you know, now, you know, now Markowski is out there saying, well, I have to go back to the house now.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure they'll, you know, which is exactly like, you know,
[SPEAKER_09]: Mike Johnson or Andy Ogles, uh, you know, has her piece of mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: As a concern.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Last time I checked some of those folks don't even care about their own families.
[SPEAKER_09]: No.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, the house is only upset the Senate phone more ways to make this bill miserable.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Worst in there is was it's.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I, you know, and use it there and go, I mean, here's, here's one of the things that I simply do not understand.
[SPEAKER_06]: How do they think they're going to run on this?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, they go, oh, well, some of the damage is pushed off until after twenty twenty eight.
[SPEAKER_06]: But you don't think that that's not going to be part of every single, you don't think that every single democratic organization and democratic candidate is going to have that.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is going to be a message that is repeated over and over and over and over and over and all you have to say is, if your healthcare sucks more now, if your friends healthcare sucks more now, if your family's healthcare sucks more now, blame Republicans.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, well, I wish I had your faith in the Democratic ability to message that.
[SPEAKER_06]: True.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because I'm terrified that by October of twenty twenty six, the Democrats are going to get blamed for everything bad that happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the problem is a lot of this bad stuff isn't going to even go into effect until twenty seven or twenty nine.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, and that's the brilliance of how they write this stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like they do this.
[SPEAKER_03]: They vote on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody likes it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But if a Democrat, if the Democrats take over the House in the Senate in twenty seven, then they'll be blamed for the bad stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Republicans voted for this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's just
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't think that I'm a credit right now the Democratic leadership in Congress is more concerned about who's going to be the mayor of New York.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know what is that about.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a local election.
[SPEAKER_03]: A granted it's New York City, but it's local.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do people?
[SPEAKER_03]: Would there be the same outrage about?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody running for the mayor of
[SPEAKER_03]: Lincoln Nebraska Lincoln, there we go.
[SPEAKER_09]: The mayor of Jackson, Mississippi was named Chicoila, Mumbai.
[SPEAKER_09]: And nobody in Mississippi, you know, bad news.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'm an asshole issue.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Guys, you know, and by the way, Kirsten, Gillibrand can shut the hell up about everything.
[SPEAKER_06]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm kind of with you on that one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she's, um, well, she's coming out in support of Cuomo after what she did to Al Franken.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's that's point number one.
[SPEAKER_09]: Point number two is this greed.
[SPEAKER_09]: She went on on public radio with poor Brian Lever, trying to reel her back in.
[SPEAKER_09]: And she kept filming away from the lifeboat.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's, um, and the horse she wrote in on.
[SPEAKER_09]: Seriously.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, let's let's let's let's just say I'm I'm glad that she has not made it further.
[SPEAKER_06]: I am I am constantly reminding people that the New York Democratic Party today is not what it once was.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is not the iguardia or you know, Cuomo senior party where there it no, this is this is nothing like that.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, they're completely screwed in the hate.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is it boggles my mind how
[SPEAKER_06]: how messed up they are and and how so many people still don't know what I mean it's a New York Democratic party that costs the Democrats with majority in the house yeah go because they couldn't yet they're acting together right and you're and that's and that's where it comes in where you said you know that they uh... the messaging they may not have it i would think that they could get the messaging i would hope they would get the messaging maybe they'll take a lesson from mdani because god knows he's got great message he does
[SPEAKER_09]: And he didn't use television.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't like to say something secure in the knowledge of my own manhood.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's a handsome dude.
[SPEAKER_09]: He is.
[SPEAKER_06]: I agree with you a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he's strong.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's handsome.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's young.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's got good ideas.
[SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_06]: And look at him.
[SPEAKER_09]: And you're in a brilliant campaign.
[SPEAKER_09]: He did.
[SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: He did not to love.
[UNKNOWN]: I did.
[SPEAKER_06]: Charlie, I'm with you on that.
[SPEAKER_06]: We will talk more about him and more about some of the other issues that you have written about recently at S. Quire, but we got to pay some bills.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hang on, Bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll pay the bills.
[SPEAKER_09]: We'll throw you up there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll freshen up Jodi's drink, we'll freshen up your drink, and we'll come back.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you, over there in the bar, you get your freshen up too.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hang on, hang on, hang on.
[SPEAKER_08]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: We are back on a Tuesday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jammer a little bit, rocking a little bit, dancing a little bit to the music because, you know, that's what we do.
[SPEAKER_06]: Charlie Pierce is here hanging out with us, talking about some of the other people in our industry who we honestly, we get along with some good folks.
[SPEAKER_06]: We got Brian Kerem coming in to the bar here.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think isn't next week or we got to show you.
[SPEAKER_03]: We hold, please your call is very important.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's got the, she got the calendar in front of her.
[SPEAKER_06]: I do not have the calendar in front of me at the present moment.
[SPEAKER_09]: Thank you for your attention to this battle.
[SPEAKER_03]: It would be on Tuesday, July, fifteenth.
[SPEAKER_06]: See, a couple weeks.
[SPEAKER_06]: So my mother's birthday.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's there now, though.
[SPEAKER_06]: So well, I know, but happy related to her.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you know, or I'm not sure how you have to be birthday.
[SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy heavenly birthday.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the phrase.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, but no, I mean, there are some great people that we do have here in the bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: David Jolly is coming in.
[SPEAKER_06]: Next week up.
[SPEAKER_06]: obviously well now for Angela's back from vacation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, back then again.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, you know, and of course you are here with us Charlie.
[SPEAKER_09]: Where's Frank's logo on vacation?
[SPEAKER_09]: By the way, I know we're Angela what horny.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, they just appeared completely.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know we're Angela when I don't know where Francis went.
[SPEAKER_03]: So
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not allowed to say on the.
[SPEAKER_06]: See, there are some things that we still have to keep behind the bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's just, you know, that's how that kind of works.
[SPEAKER_06]: Something unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, that it is not being kept behind the bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: This immigration wars, these immigration wars, this ridiculous isn't the attacking of the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship.
[SPEAKER_06]: You wrote a piece on this, Charlie.
[SPEAKER_06]: For those people who have not yet clicked on it, in the news on tap at the politicsbar.com or haven't gone to it at squire.com, kind of refers to the memory of the folks here in the bar of some of them who may have missed it.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, you know, I mean, I, it was, it had to do with the decision in the,
[SPEAKER_06]: The cost of case.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, the cost of case in this report where they declined.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, it's not to link link to rule.
[SPEAKER_09]: But they also got rid of the idea of a national injunction.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: That would stop.
[SPEAKER_09]: an attack on birthright citizenship, you know, a pattern that would create essentially a patchwork of the fourteen amendment throughout the entire country.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Where you can get rid of like the patchwork on abortion law.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: A patchwork civil right.
[SPEAKER_09]: You can't have that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's, and I think we had a patchwork civil right on citizenship prior to the civil war.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was one of the causes of the civil war.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you had, although it was the path work was a little bit more widespread.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, there were states in the north where black people couldn't vote either.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: But yeah, I mean, you had, you had the, you know, you had the creation of of, you know, state mandated civil rights.
[SPEAKER_09]: And that's not what the Constitution is about.
[SPEAKER_09]: The Constitution is about laws that pertain to everyone.
[SPEAKER_11]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I love, I always love to bring this up because
[SPEAKER_09]: uh... the uh... the conservative uh... you know a leg constitutionalists uh... it's a good way to put it you know no no seriously they uh... they uh... they uh... they have uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh
[SPEAKER_09]: alleged friends of the Constitution and my, you know, the originalist view of of what the founders really wanted.
[SPEAKER_09]: I'd like to point out to them that James Madison wanted a national veto over state laws.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: He didn't get it.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he bitched about it until almost the day he died.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Seriously, he wrote a letter like two weeks before he died to somebody saying that his greatest regret was he never forgot that.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's just ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, let it go, dude.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I agree with you, but.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, look, we, we all kind of like to be able to veto other people's stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: But the fact of the matter is, I mean, A, it's, it would be unworkable.
[SPEAKER_06]: And B, Chris, Chris Geidner, you know, legal expert, Chris Geidner, we had him here in the bar yesterday.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he was mentioning about the fact of how this is going to screw the right in ways that they haven't even begun to think about.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: For example, a lot of these injunctions, a Casemaric down in Texas, who has become notorious about, I'm going to put out a national injunction about this and that and the other and the third thing and the fifth thing, because Casemaric is such a jerk, now that they ruled the way they did in the birthright citizenship case,
[SPEAKER_06]: There will be lawyers who will challenge that and say, no, no, no, that, that injunction, sorry, national injunctions aren't allowed.
[SPEAKER_06]: It only affects your plaintiffs.
[SPEAKER_06]: It only affects this one.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, you know, they're, they're screwing themselves and they didn't even think about it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I had this, it's funny.
[SPEAKER_09]: I had this discussion with my daughter's boyfriend over.
[SPEAKER_09]: I, we all went out to brunch for her birthday on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_06]: Happy birthday to your birthday.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Happy birthday, Molly.
[SPEAKER_09]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he just graduated from her thesis and law.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, he's a brilliant guy.
[SPEAKER_09]: I really like him.
[SPEAKER_09]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_09]: He liked his decision.
[SPEAKER_09]: And really exactly those reasons for what Guy knew said.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I said that now basically that argument assumes an awful lot of good faith on the part of all these federal society judges that are solving throughout all the way up to the Supreme Court.
[SPEAKER_06]: True.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know that they won't find ways for this not to apply to Republicans.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it reminds me of is people that pick and choose from the Bible what they like.
[SPEAKER_03]: especially Christians.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like they like to quote Leviticus, which is Old Testament, where Jesus overturned all of that stuff, but they don't like the Jesus he parts of being a Christian.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very similar.
[SPEAKER_09]: They really don't like, they really don't like being Jesus Christians.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I hate that part.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're like to be Moses Christians or Joshua Christians.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Or Saint Paul Christians.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the thing is is that it's like, Lee, this is going to be the legal version of watching one of these kind of faux Christians or Fox Christians, I guess you could call them.
[SPEAKER_06]: I try to have a fight with John Fugelsing.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you've ever watched or listened to one of these people, try to have a long term fight with John.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're talking more than sixty seconds.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're trying for, you know, four or five minutes or whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they try to carve out these loopholes in biblical law and their beliefs.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, there's this, but then there's this, and every time they do, it's like drawing a, it's like drawing a piece of Swiss cheese.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, you know, or printing a piece of Swiss cheese on a three D printer.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they can't, that they keep falling into their own holes.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, no, that's right.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I know who else was brilliant at this was Chris Hitchens.
[SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Who was an atheist, but I believe had the King James Bible memorized.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_09]: He knew more scriptures than most, like most of the television preachers alive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: And he said it was one of the reasons he wanted to see knew it is because the King James Bible is so beautifully written.
[SPEAKER_09]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's a piece of literature, yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, you know.
[SPEAKER_09]: So yeah, but Fughal saying no, you see he's got he's got Clarkson's background and he knows that you know he knows the new testament backwards and forward.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he does And that's and that's why it's when and that's why it's fun to watch that so I mean I I agree with Molly's boyfriend to some degree.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was it was nice having Chris in because he you know Ellie missed all we had his piece up to with the news on tap at the politics bar dot com and and Ellie was hair on fire about it
[SPEAKER_09]: Ellie was calm.
[SPEAKER_09]: Ellie was calm in a reason about it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ellie was calm in a reason about it, just like a giant flame throw or just a small spark.
[SPEAKER_06]: But look, there's no reason to think that some of this is not going to be absolutely horrendous.
[SPEAKER_06]: And as I saw my fellow Nebraska,
[SPEAKER_06]: uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, is going to be a living hell.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Plus it encouraged it encourages the president to push the envelope to further right now.
[SPEAKER_09]: He's talking about deporting citizens because it doesn't like them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: In fact, actually, actually, we got that one up on the on the DVR here.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if you heard this one earlier today, Charlie, let me let me bring this up in the DVR hang on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like to say, you know, a little controversial, but I couldn't care less.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a lot of bad criminals that came into this country, and they came in stupidly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was an unforced era.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a incompetent president that allowed it to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was an auto pin, maybe that allowed it to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it did happen, but we also have a lot of bad people that have been here for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: People that whack people over the head with a baseball bat from behind when they're not looking and killing people that knife you when you're walking down the street.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not new to our country.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all to our country.
[SPEAKER_00]: Many of them were born in our country.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to know the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they'll be the next job that we'll work on together
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a thirty four count fell in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd like to get out of the country.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Amen to that.
[SPEAKER_06]: As we say around here, the bar, Jonah is right.
[SPEAKER_09]: A thirty four count fell in plus a sexual assault.
[SPEAKER_06]: That too, exactly.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I would like to get like anybody who attacks women and dressing rooms in department stores.
[SPEAKER_06]: especially with teenage girls.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, I don't know about.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't know about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know about it for certain, but I do happen to know who some of his friends is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I can say I do happen to know that his good friend Jeff also seem to have a problem with that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, not just not, I mean, and I have no patience with people who say,
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, let's, you know, be cautious about the, uh, the Epstein tapes because there might be Democrats involved too.
[SPEAKER_09]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_09]: I want to know who they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: But if it's Bill Clinton tough.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you do know that if Bill Clinton were involved, they would have released just that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think we'd have known that by now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we would have, by now.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's, that's how we know that he wasn't because guaranteed that would have been released in ten minutes.
[SPEAKER_09]: That's my way.
[SPEAKER_09]: He wasn't involved against all odds.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there's that's that's the kind of thing that I I shook my head out with with the New York City mayor's race.
[SPEAKER_06]: I have no idea why Bill Clinton backed Cuomo no idea why he even came out for him and I do think that There is a
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't like to say that all older Democrats are bad because look there there's a lot of wisdom that some of the younger folks need to learn how not to jump the gun.
[SPEAKER_06]: that being said I do think that one of the bigger problems in the democratic party as a whole is it's it's it's fear it's the fear of you know will this person did this thing for so long they should have the next spot or it's the fear of what do I upset this person or it's the fear of well if we try and we fail but
[SPEAKER_06]: by God, try.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you have the same.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, recognize the moment, you know, recognize the moment you're in, which I don't think any of the institutions of government, a lot of the institutionalists, yeah, the institutionalists, many have been in big problem.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean,
[SPEAKER_09]: The way the system is set up, all three branches of the national government are supposed to gently guard their turf.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: You essentially, the founders set up a turf war.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: Light one.
[SPEAKER_09]: What a turf war.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: And if they don't, then the system doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Then the end of Federalists were all right about the president from the start.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, it shouldn't be one.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: I am frustrated by the way that a lot of the people I respect have acted poorly.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think they really need to take a lesson for mom, Danny, especially with his communications, just making it very clear.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look, he is about affordability.
[SPEAKER_06]: He wants to make New York a place where people can afford to live.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's his entire thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm going, hoe to hell, you could take that and put that in every town and holler and everywhere across this country.
[SPEAKER_06]: And have a great day and have a great day.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: But even in the rural areas, because look, they want to be able to afford to live there, too.
[SPEAKER_06]: So look Charlie, can you stick around with this for last call?
[SPEAKER_06]: I sure can.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_06]: We will talk more about this subject and a few others that are in the news on tap.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you for hanging out with us tonight here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: Remember you can always find us in your favorite podcast player, just type in the politics bar or subscribe at the politics bar dot com.
[SPEAKER_06]: coming back with one last round this evening with Jody Hamilton Charlie Pierce and me Sean Smith Pierce, no relation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Get your information up hang on.
[SPEAKER_08]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_06]: time to close it out here at the politics bar and I get your last round and you know if you missed the drink of the day you should it's actually really good it's a popsicle and a drink and you can always subscribe get that subscription in your email box drink of the day from the politics bar
[SPEAKER_06]: So we were talking about people in our lives who are feeling better.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hopefully Lonnie is feeling better in our lives.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, he's so better.
[SPEAKER_03]: He hasn't quite started back on it's been a couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he's going to wait another week or two before he starts doing that again.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look, you know, it is important the people in our lives who are feeling well on being healthy might might my pup are pup my wife and I he has he's been having some tummy trouble so we've been trying to you know, which whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you got to take care of your pup's just like you do other family.
[SPEAKER_06]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: By the way, Charlie, I heard that your Molly takes care of Senator Warren's pup sometimes.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_09]: uh, staging and uh, and uh, and uh, and uh, like I was always feeling, but yeah, I was going barkly from the cartoon as well.
[SPEAKER_09]: No, yeah, Bailey and and and and and say our doggy bells.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, awesome.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I was like, wait a minute, I've heard that a while back and I meant to ask you about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's really cool.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: They run and play together.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're roughly the same age.
[SPEAKER_09]: Bailey may be a little bit older, but yeah, they're big, big, big right pal.
[SPEAKER_09]: Sister, and by the way, Senator Professor Warren.
[SPEAKER_09]: went to town on this bill.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, she did.
[SPEAKER_06]: She did.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I am glad that she I'm glad she has been so outspoken.
[SPEAKER_06]: Senator Sanders has been outspoken.
[SPEAKER_06]: There have been a lot of folks who have been absolutely outspoken on this.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I am I'm incredibly glad about this.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if you caught Jim McGovern.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know is he is he your rep Charlie?
[SPEAKER_09]: He would have been if I stayed in Worcester.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: I knew Jim.
[SPEAKER_09]: When he was an aide to Joe Malkley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: In the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early, in the early early, in the early early, in the early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early early
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, she got it.
[SPEAKER_06]: He went to town.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've got this on the DVR too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hang on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's what baffles me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You all know the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know this bill is cruel.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that it will hurt millions of Americans, but Trump wants you to fold.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the sad fact is that many of you will fold in a nanosecond.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll vote for this, even though you know it's bad for your own constituents.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're absolutely terrified that the guy in the White House will get mad and try to find someone to run against you in a primary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like one of our Republican colleagues said this week on a CNN and I quote, every one of the hosts knows the peril they're in if they vote no on this thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They know that their jobs are at risk and quote.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your terrorist stricken that what happened over the weekend to Senator Tom Tillis will happen to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: While Senator Tillis did the right thing, speaking truth to power, you should listen to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: When he says that the Senate's version of this bill betrays President Trump's promise not to take Medicaid away from its rightful recipients.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look, McGovern is, he's a perfect example.
[SPEAKER_06]: The folks who are really young and say we need to be far more liberal and far more outspoken, not all of the older folks are quiet.
[SPEAKER_09]: And obviously my brother's not that old.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, no, he's early fifties.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, but I think Canada Warren is like seventy seven.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and she's definitely not not but by any stretch of the imagination.
[SPEAKER_09]: She's like burning.
[SPEAKER_09]: Burning is like two hundred and thirteen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that's that's just it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's it's it's not just about age, but it is about the people who are willing to put the the I don't know what you would call the mechanics.
[SPEAKER_06]: The the the machinery of politics over actually getting things done.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and you know what, you know what, and in the government, I think came close to saying this to in his speech to his Republican colleagues, your job isn't worth hurting this many people.
[SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_09]: You can always do something else.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're all lawyers for God's sake.
[SPEAKER_09]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Or, you know, pillars of your community.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, being our Congressman isn't worth doing this much damage.
[SPEAKER_09]: It really isn't.
[SPEAKER_09]: And similarly, you've got to risk it.
[SPEAKER_09]: And I was still sad and resigned.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: I wish he to I wish he'd taken.
[SPEAKER_09]: He voted no one taking that battle the North Carolina.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It probably would have actually won him some more votes that the thing that I hear consistently.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I've heard for years is that.
[SPEAKER_06]: There are people who are somewhat soft in the Democratic Party because they say, you know, you're not standing up for whatever.
[SPEAKER_06]: And sometimes they'll point out a Republican who's an awful Republican, but they'll say, but at least he or she is, you know, loud.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's the old Bill Clinton thing of of strong and wrong versus weak and right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, and my, my response to that has always been, well, if strong and wrong beats weak and right shouldn't strong and right beat everything else.
[SPEAKER_09]: You would think so.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, if you, you went down the oils rule of political cards.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, if you, if you were, if you had, if you had a loud and strong and, but you're, you know, and you had, if your opponent had a loud and strong and you had a strong and right, you bet your brains out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because all you got to do is be right on the basic facts.
[SPEAKER_06]: The things like Mamdeni is doing in New York where he's saying, you know, these are the things that I would like to do.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's not saying a hundred percent that he's going to do these things.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's saying he's going to try to, yeah, to
[SPEAKER_06]: make grocery stores available like La Guardia did to areas of New York that need them that are food deserts that he's going to try to make bus, you know, make buses free or at least make sure they're free for the people who can afford them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: He wants to make it so that people don't have to pick up the stuff in their town and move somewhere else.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I don't care if you're from small town, Wyoming or whether you happen to be, you know, from New York City.
[SPEAKER_06]: People want to be able to stay with their friends and their family.
[SPEAKER_06]: People want to be able to stay in the areas that they love and be able to work a good job, pay the bills, pay the taxes, do the right things.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know what I find really amusing is that Jimmy McKinnis
[SPEAKER_09]: turned out to be a political profit.
[SPEAKER_09]: The rent is to damn high.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is and it's two damn high everywhere.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_06]: We had this one also in the news on tap today at the politics bar dot com.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's interesting to note how our friends in the media have been framing this.
[SPEAKER_06]: So California for a very long time has been.
[SPEAKER_06]: They've had this law.
[SPEAKER_06]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Environmental quality acts.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Newsom, who look, I've had my issues with him, but there are things about him that are good.
[SPEAKER_06]: He pushed the California lawmakers on both sides.
[SPEAKER_06]: The Republicans have Democrats.
[SPEAKER_06]: They went bipartisan on this and they did a major overhaul of this landmark environmental law and the biggest reasons that they did it is because of California's housing shortage and its unhoused numbers.
[SPEAKER_06]: because this law was basically preventing developers from developing anything.
[SPEAKER_06]: It made it so ours.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now you know this more than I do, Joe.
[SPEAKER_06]: He explained.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of these developers don't want affordable housing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there is a place that I walk by all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got a small barber.
[SPEAKER_03]: It had.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: It had a dog grooming place, but they moved.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's got this nice little place called the Oyster Bar, really good food.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's this little area.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's being bulldozed.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're going to put up a huge apartment building.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think only four units are going to be, quote, affordable.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that's a problem, too.
[SPEAKER_06]: But a lot of those problems are also.
[SPEAKER_09]: If you're doing something like new system is doing, you have to regulate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: Very strictly because otherwise, you know, what Joe, you're saying is true, the development of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are not even going to offer parking to this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's going to be like three hundred units.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they're, I mean, it's not even, yeah, it's maybe ten, twenty units will be, quote, affordable.
[SPEAKER_03]: But they're not even offering parking and trust me, parking in that area is horrible on the street.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So that look, but a lot of in my in my wrong and saying that a lot of that can be regulated in that area that that you know by the the local city.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's it's I had to fight a building not too far from here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a for you in building that they they got the egress and and just on my on a street by me.
[SPEAKER_03]: They want to ten units.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got them down to four.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they want ten thousand dollars a unit.
[SPEAKER_06]: But you fought.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's local.
[SPEAKER_06]: The regulation is local.
[SPEAKER_06]: And as long as you fight for it, you can find that that middle ground to some degree.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not going to be perfect.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, not every time.
[SPEAKER_03]: But again, those four units go for ten thousand dollars a month.
[SPEAKER_06]: which is insane, but that's part of, it's part of California's family.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're interested in my.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's part of California's problem, but it's part of the problem across the country.
[SPEAKER_06]: Even in small terms.
[SPEAKER_09]: Certainly, it's certainly a problem here.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: I mean, Mayor Wu is doing the best we can.
[SPEAKER_09]: You can.
[SPEAKER_06]: I like her.
[SPEAKER_06]: I like her in general.
[SPEAKER_06]: Mayor Wu is pretty good.
[SPEAKER_09]: They're always okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: I like the Massachusetts ginocracy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got ginocracy.
[SPEAKER_09]: We got ginocracy.
[SPEAKER_09]: Elizabeth Warren.
[SPEAKER_09]: We've got the governor.
[SPEAKER_09]: We've got the attorney general.
[SPEAKER_09]: We've got the conference woman, my IANA president.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you've got, you've got a good, good slate of folks up there.
[SPEAKER_09]: We got some, we got some kick ass women.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's no question.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like my mayor by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love Mayor Bass.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's doing the best she can.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Another one, you bet.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look, I, I often times think that especially in areas where men have too long ruled, you get some wise women in there and they can kick ass.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_06]: long and short, a lot of the problem when it relates to housing across the country is that there have been a lot of laws that have been nimble laws.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ned Reznikov who used to be for think progress.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's got a thing going out in in California now.
[SPEAKER_06]: He said this for years that this is going to be where things end up swinging back as far as the pendulum because there have been so many people who say, don't develop, don't develop, don't develop.
[SPEAKER_06]: You have to release it a little bit because there needs to be development, but it needs to be smart development needs to be wise development.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then because a lot of development is a local regulation thing, you have to be involved in your local government to get them to do it correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there are some of that kind of, with where I live, because there is a lot of unhoused people just in my little part of the area.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there are so many people, because we have a tiny homes development not far from here.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I know they want to build another one where there used to be this tent community where there are probably
[SPEAKER_03]: sixty people living in this parking lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: They close a parking lot off and they want to put tiny homes there, but the people that live in that neighborhood are like not in my neighborhood, but it's like, dude, do you want the tents back?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or do you want people living in homes where they can put their stuff away?
[SPEAKER_03]: They have showers, they have all these things, and it's better than tents.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_09]: It's, I think a lot of them want those people living in Idaho myself.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, they want them in Riverside County.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, why don't you just, well, you know, they want them out.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like,
[SPEAKER_06]: That's not how that works.
[SPEAKER_06]: People do not simply just go away.
[SPEAKER_06]: You cannot simply wave your hand.
[SPEAKER_06]: We have to deal with the problems that we have.
[SPEAKER_06]: And whether the problem happens to be young bucks in the Republican or in the Democratic Party who are coming up, Republicans who are paying in the ass, or laws that we should have adjusted properly and haven't for years, we got to deal with those problems instead of just saying, well, can you go over there?
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyhow, it is the end of a Tuesday night.
[SPEAKER_06]: Charlie, we're going to check that.
[SPEAKER_09]: Can I take a quick dinner?
[SPEAKER_09]: Can I make a quick vlog?
[SPEAKER_09]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_09]: Some very brave people at the EPA have written an open letter to Lee Zeldin, the pack that was put in there, which led to destroy the EPA, and what they call a declaration of dissent.
[SPEAKER_09]: and it's online and you can add your name to it, and I've already done it.
[SPEAKER_09]: I will thank you so much for joining us.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll put that out on the politics bar socials and put a link to that as well.
[SPEAKER_09]: Charlie, thank you so much, as always.
[SPEAKER_06]: Come back all the time, man.
[SPEAKER_09]: You know, I'll be calling your cab right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_06]: On the cab, I get it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, Charlie.
[SPEAKER_06]: Tomorrow, Bob Cesca will be a little Bob Cesca.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we're getting ready for the fourth of July as well, tune in tomorrow night here.
[SPEAKER_06]: at the politics bar.