[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, Luke, that's the last time we're gonna play that intro music in a recording for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I know, single, single tier rolls down, single tier rolls down with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like doing music too, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's far as I'm gonna turn that will always be our music.
[SPEAKER_02]: That will always be our music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the OG, the OG.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hello team, we'll shift us to Alicia and Luke here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've missed you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know a bunch of you have missed Luke because you've been telling me so.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're back to wrap up the silo season for the public feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was also two last spoiler cast for silo's and stories and season past holders in those feeds stick around to the end here more about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Luke, what is our general spoiler policy for this podcast?
[SPEAKER_02]: So Alicia has read all the books that go to comprise the TV series silo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have read none of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we will be spoiling everything up to the end of season two is fair game, but we won't talk about anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alicia won't talk about anything that's happened in the books past the end of season two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that
[SPEAKER_01]: That is basically, for the most part, the first book will.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are some elements of the first book I will leave out because they haven't played out on screen, like that whole fiery interlude at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a result of the first book, but it will find out next season how the TV show results.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are a few things that I skirted around in my finale recording with John that I've decided I can talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll get into that in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, first of all, Luke,
[SPEAKER_01]: Glad you're feeling a bit better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, thanks to John for stepping in.
[SPEAKER_02]: because when that episode of being recorded to paraphrase, Patrick Kennedy, I was on drugs, lots of drugs.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it would have been an interesting, but perhaps not very coherent podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to hear the theories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so thanks for John for stepping in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And thank you to everybody that's reached out on the discord and police guy with well wishes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I replied to everybody, but if I didn't,
[SPEAKER_02]: To slow that I appreciate it very much and you made me feel a lot better when I needed to feel a lot better.
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Luke Ferris Faire, do you want to do your American accent impression of John?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I didn't, you know, with John's, John's impression.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't think that any second he was going to burst into a round of thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for my Christmas Carol series, Fred.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all of these festivals.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Luke, you got a chance to listen to my interview also with Saul Caieros from the Salo Raider's room?
[SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts on that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was very interesting describing the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: each episode is put together in the way that it is iterative process.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not just one script writer writes a script and then other script writers pull it apart and reassemble it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's actually very carefully plotted out in advance before pen touches paper on an actual script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought, so I thought that was really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to go away and watch Sneaky Pete now, because, you know, any chance to get a bit more, any chance to get a bit more, I'm sharing them cry, I'm gonna take.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I thought it was, I thought it was really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was, it was interesting that the writers' room is remained virtual post-pandemic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because obviously that's, you know, that, that's, that's a topic that's increasingly in the news and a whole variety of different, um, fields.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's something that, then, higher education that I work and we've had to sort of work out what the new balance was going to be between in person and remote working.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just with, like, my professional hat on, I thought that was quite interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really appreciate it, also, that's how it was, you know, able to talk openly, honestly, about the logistics behind decisions that, for instance, they go, or phobia thing, you know, I got to answer to my Danny question of sorts, which I don't, I mean, they were reminding us because he's coming back next season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now, I just love the very subtle way that you sort of work and do the conversation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and there were several mentions of Danny Floyd, but we never got to see him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been I've been very subtle this entire podcast but also yeah, I mean it's the same like because I'm wondering I do want like John said I want the montage at the end of the episode where I'm like Mark Chambers is still downstairs
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, but what were your, you shared your thoughts in a voicemail in the finale overall, but do you have anything to add here now that you like?
[SPEAKER_02]: I went, I went away and watched the entire episode subsequently on a proper TV screen, rather than on my phone.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have to say it's obviously, um, a much better experience, the action, um, part of the episode where much clearer, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think this, like I said in the voice note, I'm now adding towards the idea that this is a social experiment, but it's not aliens, it's the singularity.
[SPEAKER_02]: The algorithm might be some sort of superficial intelligence, like my favorite line of the entire episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: was Bernard at the end going, I know who did this, but I don't know what, but I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, because I thought about that sort of, that's classic, and that's a classic line for a final episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's textbook and it mattered.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean that it could mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, having, having, having rewatch the episode, I'm fairly convinced Bernard is dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be very, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would be very, very, very.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they break, if he comes back in season three, I'm gonna want an explanation of how we got out of there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, do you think he's, say, through himself on Juliet, or do you think it's just because Juliet was in a fire suit and he's not?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's probably a common, I think it's probably some combination of the two.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think if you watch that scene back and sort of take it frame by frame, which I did, maybe it's just the way it shot, but it looked to me like he was falling on top of.
[SPEAKER_02]: That he was covering her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether he intended to do that is meant quite a different question, but that looks like what happened to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love how there's no questions about whether or not Juliet's dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: She could be dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's, let's, let's not, let's no other.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the, let's say the first time the first time I watched this, I was still on pretty heavy pain medication and the whole cuts to Washington DC.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, yeah, I'm like, what?
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, really excited about that, really excited that we're going to have another element of the plot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Really excited to see Jessica, just,
[SPEAKER_02]: really excited to see Jessica Henwick.
[SPEAKER_02]: As John said, she was the best thing in Iain Thist and there's not a lot of competition for that for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I always give actors extra credit for being good in bad shows, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's harder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just a couple of things about the dirty bomb and the whole sort of mise en scène that was established from that show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think if the if if humanity being forced into the silo is a result of a nuclear war,
[SPEAKER_02]: which is what that's just.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope the way it plays out is that the silos were constructed prior to the wall actually happening and the survivors had to make their way down into the silos because
[SPEAKER_02]: In the event of a strategic nuclear exchange between the United States and Russia, the environmental damage and the chaos that would cause.
[SPEAKER_02]: In my sort of professional opinion, would be too great for any kind of programme of like silo building to take place.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, again, my head cannon at this point is, if it is the singularity, it convinced the humans to build the silos before the nuclear war and then it sky-netted the whole thing it created.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know if you caught by the way, but they are, they blamed it on Iran.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: But did, what did you think about Helen is the name of the character play by Jessica and like, what did you think about her allegations that it might not be have happened at all that dirty bomb and DC?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think you and you and John covered that quite well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a dirty bomb is conventional explosive wrapped around.
[SPEAKER_02]: some kind of facade material.
[SPEAKER_02]: So from a terrorist point of view, the good thing about a new Erdogan Obama, is it doesn't need to be highly enriched, nuclear material like you would need for a nuclear weapon, so uranium two three five or plutonium two three nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: it can be anything, it can be one of the one of the, one of the nightmare scenarios that you read a lot in the professional literature is that it would be the radioactive waste taken from hospitals used in NMRI, the treatment of cancer or X-rays, because that is probably the most numerous radiological material when it's also the one that's routinely disposed of.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, a dirty bomb
[SPEAKER_02]: would be designed to make a relatively small area, say, between ten and twenty city blocks uninhabitable, but it's really more to do with the psychological effect of that than the actual damage.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you say it doesn't matter whether or not it really happened if people believe it does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's, I think that's where I land on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, you get sad internet points about pop and nickels.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she survived so much longer than I thought he was going to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think I get into them points for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm a stock clock there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just have to be right.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one time because I've expected him to die so many different times.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I said in that episode that he does not die at this point in the books, not at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was really, wow, Abby's very unhappy about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But who are you most glad did not die in the finale?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, well, actually, no, this is really, this is really easy of Shirley and Knox, because it broke the string of couples coming just at a color and coloring one for as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're finally broke out string of couples coming to sticky ends.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think Shirley and Knox, very glad that very glad that down deep that busy Hank survived as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wasn't sure if he was going to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, I'm going to something I was coy about in the finale breakdown that I've decided.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, these are things that happened in the books already.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've passed the point in the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: These things are not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're about to read the first book, you might not want to hear what I have to say right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you might want to skip forward twice.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to tell you who died at this point in the books, who is still alive in the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now as far as I know, there'll be a live until the end, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: because they live through the rebellion, both of them died in the rebellion.
[SPEAKER_01]: The two people who I thought were going to die based on the books are Knox and Carla.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so, I'm so glad they changed that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have been, I would have been not so much Carla because she was a bit of secondary character, but if Knox had died, I would have been seriously upset because he's been one of my favorite characters of season two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a tell you a bit more about how they die in the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they both basically die in the same assault on IT.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, not just gun down, but I thought that they would
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gone down first and I thought that they would at that point take then Shirley's husband's story which is who didn't make it into the show obviously and so I thought he would survive that and then Shirley's husband Mark went running out of there and he's like desperately looking for Shirley because they split up for reasons I've explained before in spoiler cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he eventually catches up with her back at the barricade back to the down deep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she can shimmy under the barricade, and he gets basically gunned down there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a really beautiful death scene from his perspective, where it's kind of like almost peaceful, but he sees her crying and screaming and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I read that out in, and I guess the wool book break down for the book club people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if you're gonna read the books that's a really memorable scene,
[SPEAKER_01]: The other one, Carla, she also died in that assault on IT, but I have to tell you a thing, and I thought they might actually do it because it's twisted, but so what happens is so Lucas is obviously the shadow to the head of IT, and Bernard basically once like the assault starts, he just like hands Lucas a gun and props him up in between Billings and Sims,
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like shoot at the mechanical people, Lucas is like, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was here to read books, not to kill Julia's friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you know, not even that he knows them or things of them that way, but he's just not on board with this until at one point Carla comes charging at him and is about to throw a bomb at him and he shoots in a panic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's the one to kill her.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she's not called Carla, she's just called McLean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm really glad they changed that because I don't want Carlos to die and I certainly don't want Lucas to have been the one that killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I thought like that's going to be add some complications to, you know, yeah, Martha is obviously would not be a fan of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seems they're going more toward making people allies than.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what was the biggest surprise in the finale for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: got to be paid to black fate up in contemporary near contemporary Washington DC did not see that did not even begin to see that coming
[SPEAKER_01]: And what about Walker and the hand signals were you surprised about?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm with John on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that paid off exceptionally well, particularly when they show you, they show you the scene again where you can actually see the hand signals when she's explaining to Bernard that with all the noise in the generator room, they need to develop a theory away of having a conversation without actually speaking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: props to the act to all the actors in that scene because they really sell what if you don't wrong might have looked like quite a silly or quite a forced scene, but they really sell it properly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also the whole like everyone was teamed down deep like I thought at this point in the book's Billings turns, but now it's like that entire deputies department.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did think the bit where she threw this the sack of deputies badges onto the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the score, I like the score too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, low, but I do think it's missing like a proper stirring revolutionary anthem to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It needs something with a bit more, oh, find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It needs something a bit more, lay music you for one or about what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you hear the deputy sings?
[SPEAKER_01]: Exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: The down deep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what did you think about the whole?
[SPEAKER_01]: So other than the Washington DC scene, my other personal favorite scene is when the family sims gets into the vault.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't wait to see how that plays out in season.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, Rob, take your son and go.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not interested in you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what I'm thinking?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the algorithm doing that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or is that like bananas final revenge on Robert Sims before he goes out?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for his betrayal.
[SPEAKER_01]: if you think Bernard is somehow talking through the algorithm?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think in the same way that when Bernard made Lucas his shadow, he had to introduce him, he had to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wonder whether offscreen Bernard went to the algorithm and said, my new shadow is going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Camille.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's like his last revenge on Robert, the disloyal team.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bought when he like saw Robert on the stairs and he was like, you know, he's like, you were always really loyal to me until you weren't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, part of him wasn't I don't know if I could ever say Bernard feels bad about things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's really.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he feels guilty about anything short of killing meadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it seemed like, you know, there's a little bit of contrition like, yeah, I jerked you around a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess we're meant to take away that he believed they're all going to die anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'd be really interested to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because again, if the algorithm can mail, then that really does have a lot of fuel to the fire of the idea that the algorithm is something more than an interface that it's an intelligence.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where would you place Camille on the Sims node scale now?
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a tough question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I'm gonna say six, but I'm the understanding that she might go towards the duly outside of the scale very quickly in season in season three.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think of like all the, of all the cliffhangers like the, the most obvious, obvious one to resolve is what's going on in Washington, but I think what's going on with the family Sims runs at a post second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, do you have any more theories on the algorithm in the safeguard?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the safeguard is an interesting one because I don't have any more theories about the safeguard in silo eighteen, but I do want to know what happened with the safeguard in silo seventy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because let's assume for a second that Jimmy's parents were successful in stopping the safeguard from being activated.
[SPEAKER_02]: All those people in silos, seventeen still went outside, and they still died, and they still died relatively close to the exit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, silos, seventeen did we go back to episode one, and you look at the crater that silos, seventeen sits in.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, that's where the biggest press of the bodies were, but keep in mind, it was a large group of people, and they were spread out all the way up to cresting the hill.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cleanser never gets that far.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that leads, so that leads, that leads me to two thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: The first is that the people that died must have died relatively quickly, because you didn't see any evidence.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was one of them trying to build shelter, trying to
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, yeah, I mean, but from what it sounds like from what Jimmy keeps saying is it was fine at first and then it went horribly wrong, like, I don't know, like minutes and hour, yes, be so less.
[SPEAKER_02]: was whoever's operate in the safeguard able to override whatever Jimmy's parents did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was there a backup to the safeguard?
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, if the safeguard didn't deploy, wasn't activated.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a small, does that mean there may be a small group survive this from Sino- Seventeen outside of the Sino on the surface in the same way the Audrey and Redcomb Benny and
[SPEAKER_02]: Hope, manage to survive inside our lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that there might be somewhere on the surface?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we do need to keep in mind that the deaths we saw on the first season were very real, you know, with like Holston and Allison and everyone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, if the safe guy, yeah, if the safe guy didn't employ, is there the possibility that a small group of people?
[SPEAKER_02]: manage to survive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, if the safeguard, if the safeguard didn't kill all those people that left Tyler, seventeen, what did?
[SPEAKER_02]: And what killed Austin?
[SPEAKER_02]: What killed Allison and Honsten?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're toxic air outside here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Jimmy's dad told the sheriff it was safe to go outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she was on the cast for saying more than she should.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to be honest, there are, I still have question marks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know what the book version of this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not that this doesn't line up with that, but it's
[SPEAKER_01]: There are questions about, there definitely changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's there's questions about how fundamental the nature of the safeguard and the system might be or, you know, whether to tell you the truth in the books, most of those questions start to come in the second book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So which would be next season?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're on track for, you know, how much
[SPEAKER_01]: The story is messing with us versus okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: In thoughts on what we're talking Tyler seventeen thoughts on Jimmy and the kids where that whole story landed and where it might be going next.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I kind of hope that Jimmy and the kids find a way to make themselves suit to get over
[SPEAKER_02]: to siloate to siloate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how that would happen, but I'd kind of like to see the two halves of that story in that timeline come together because I'm not sure, I'm not sure I see a way that the kids and Jimmy can survive long term in siloate.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the pump is now on, so the ground is being pumped out.
[SPEAKER_02]: that there must be a limit, like even if there is a lot of food in the vault, there must be a limit to how much is in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Eventually, and like the kids were only just growing enough food to survive, because whole brackets eater, um, keep talking about, you know, having to deal with all her bad name anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but just to serve everybody too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I only don't want to serve everybody's clear who it's talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm not sure I see like a viable path for them to survive inside of seventeen long term.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I went through and pulled out the questions that I asked other people so that we can get your answers on these.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have, we have a little mini series of games.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've been chewing on this for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: So rank these three experiences.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beers from your own fridge with Sims, Homecooked dinner and VR night with Bernard or Hard Drive hunting with new judicial Goon and Chief Amonson.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go dinner and a show with Bernard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I might die at the end of it, but at least I get at least I get a good meal and an interesting and an interesting floor show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna go beers with Sims second because
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I die, but I might get a pleasant conversation first.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason I put Sims behind bananas, I think when Sims kill me kills me, it will probably hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Bernard will poison you nicely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, then when Bernard kills me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, a hard drive hunting with Amazon comes last.
[SPEAKER_02]: because we're only gonna find a stapler.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just seems futile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sinepa and Hydrag.
[SPEAKER_01]: I answered these questions in the season finale, so we'll just keep throwing them your way.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so what is your choice about Audrey and the kids in general abandon adopt feed a meal, Rick Audrey hope?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I'm gonna adopt hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: because she's not a very hard wife and she deserves better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to feed, I'm going to feed Rick because she has really done anything wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, Audrey just Audrey can just set off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, John pointed out that that's pretty much the only correct answer, which.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have one day left in the silo and everything's possible within silo restrictions.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you spend your time in the legacy, exploring the digger room, turning the stairs into a giant slide, or something else?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I want to go around the park.
[SPEAKER_02]: The little cafe.
[SPEAKER_02]: little cafe parks thing that color and knocks and everybody stopped it on the way up from mechanical to see the judge okay I just want to wonder if I was living in the silo I just want to run around those and I want to wander around the farms and to see every
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, going.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd find some animals to play with, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it's final one of these games for now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Buddy Cup, bad guy, bump off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hanks, Billings, surely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, I mean, I think they're now two spin-offs that they should do.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should do the happy days with Holston and Madison.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should definitely do a buddy cop CSI solo with billing things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hank and Billings, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna, I don't wanna bump off, I don't wanna bump off surely, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a tough one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, well, sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: What were my options?
[SPEAKER_02]: Get outside of the body cut.
[SPEAKER_02]: What were my options again?
[SPEAKER_02]: Bad guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Shirley, because like you said, in the episode ten show, I think she could do the wrong thing for the right reasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: As my interview was so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so bump off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, that's going to have to be billings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I don't want to kill billings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wanted to kill who they killed, but it isn't just, I know it's a good one because we all gave different answers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And nobody wanted to kill anybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And your hopes for season three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, hopes for season three.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to say, I would like to see the silo- Seventeen and silo-eeteen story lines be brought together, maybe not at the very beginning of the series, but I think running three separate story lines, silo- Seventeen, silo-eeteen and contemporary Washington might be a little bit much, so I'd like to see the silo-eeteen in eighteen story lines, merge into each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want, and I think they will do this because they've been very good at doing this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want episodes to go by where we don't know whether Benad is a label or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd like them to wrap that up pretty convincingly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope it's found a lot of time with Robert Sims next season because I think he's in a really interesting headspace at the end of that season because all of his ambitions have come to naught.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has lost or he has separated from the woman he loves and it loves him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has to take care of his son as a fact of his single father now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the same with Billings, actually, because his whole faith in the pact, obviously, collapsed by the end of season two.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he's going to be really interesting to see where he goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, and I think, silo eighteen in general isn't a really interesting space, because clearly the rules laid out by the pact no longer apply, like that way of organizing the silo clearly isn't coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: but they are gonna have to find someone alternative because no one's leaving anytime soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, who's gonna be in charge of the silence?
[SPEAKER_02]: How the silence is gonna work?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that there's no Bernard, now that there's no pact.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that there's nobody to enforce the order or nobody's willing to.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how is that silence gonna organize?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's typical me, I'm thinking about the politics of it and like,
[SPEAKER_02]: who has power and how are they going to use it?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be really interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to see what happens when Juliette and Lucas have the chance to speak, because those characters have gone on quite a journey since the last time they were together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they definitely gave us some teases at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were, you know, if you listen to my, to my interview with Saul Cairos, there were elements from the books that didn't make it into this season because like they did have contacts because they were both in the bunkers of the two different silos and they ended up contacting each other through.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's our Lucas and
[SPEAKER_02]: because it looks really at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's not, you know, in southside in the interview that that doesn't make for riveting television, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see where he's coming from.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think there are ways you could have done that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, so we'll see, I mean, obviously things are very different because Camille, a character who's not even in the books at all, is now suddenly inside the bunker.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like, let's see, we're with full access to the legacy as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a whole new wrinkle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like Camille, Camille is gonna have a good time with the legacy.
[SPEAKER_02]: because rather like Bernard well actually rather like I was gonna say rather like Bernard but that's actually it's more appropriate to say rather like meadows and rather like Lucas she is curious uh-huh more so than her husband for sure maybe not as much as Lucas and meadows but more so than her husband for sure yeah and also but it's going to be curiosity direct your tall point because like I'm saying a minute ago that there's there's now an opening for who runs the silos
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know that Camille wants to, you know that Camille wants to fill lots better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, technically, if she's in the bunker, she is the one running the side of her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Technically, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The mayor as we now know is just a figurehead role.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, oh, so speaking of the Sims, there was, I mentioned in the finale episode that there was an AMA, or maybe it was an episode nine anyway, that we talked about it in link to the Reddit AMA, between with Hugh Howie and showrunner Graham Yoast, Hugh Howie being the book author.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a part of it that I just found that I had to read out because it makes me laugh and it's related to Robert Sims and his jacket.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get so tired of people asking about the jacket.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know, there's cows in the silo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone asked in the Reddit AMA, and then he gave this answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, I want to do an entire episode about that jacket.
[SPEAKER_01]: My current theory is that the jacket was brand-spanking new when the founders built the silo.
[SPEAKER_01]: It belonged to someone important, but it was two sentimental to actually get warm.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was hidden in a place that no one would ever find until Jack Wheely broke the law one to many times and judicial raiders were sent in to break Jack Wheely's skull or at least a kneecap.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was while they were ransacking Jack's place that someone's boot went through a wall and there was a plastic bag inside, a plastic bag inside the wall, clothes, lots of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like nothing the silo had ever seen before, gowns with sequins, fancy shoes with flimsy straps and long spikes for heels, silk robes, fancy socks, a black leather jacket and matching black gloves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Relics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of them were destroyed.
[SPEAKER_01]: The silk robe, however, went to the judge, the only person who wears robes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the jacket went home with a raider named Camille Sims after a few of the other raiders laughed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It made fun of her husband saying, that jacket would look so dope when your boy, Bobby.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, you know he has to go away and write that short story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Graham used to have replied much more practically.
[SPEAKER_01]: He put on that jacket for a reason and that reason will be revealed in a subsequent season.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Graham.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm, I'm, I look so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never had questions about it in the first place, but I'm glad it's been addressed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a cool looking jacket for you, but it's just cool looking jacket.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, shall we take a quick break and then jump into the feedback?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we'll be right back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, this is our final feedback episode for silo season two unless a bunch more comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then, you know, we're not going to rule out doing another one in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: So do keep sharing your thoughts via wool shift dust podcast at gmail.com and
[SPEAKER_01]: yeah well we'll keep talking silo as we talk to as well um so this episode is especially focused on feedback from episodes nine and ten the safeguarding into the fire plus season three hopes and theories and now opening the listener feedback channel
[SPEAKER_01]: This is organized loosely by episode or topic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you might hear from the same person more than once.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of mail-in feedback this week via email.
[SPEAKER_01]: So do email first to make sure you get yours in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I pulled a bit from Discord but not too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we are going to take a little step back to start after episode eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got some a mail from SoFYB.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sof said, when Bernard first asked Lucas to crack the code, Lucas pointed out two words, Silo and Ali, Quinn's wife's name.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've only seen up to episode eight, and it seems like this was a red herring since it has since been established that the code is a book cipher.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder whether we'll come back to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping Ali would turn out to be a descendant of Allison, or sorry, a young ancestor of Allison, which echoes one of the silo-eight team back stories in shift.
[SPEAKER_01]: And indeed, yeah, the story about the revolt that happens in silo-eighteen, a hundred and forty years ago in shift does include the little Easter egg that one of the characters has the name Allison running in her family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I wonder the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Queen's wife, I was saying it was his daughter, it was his wife or his daughter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it does matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Queen's family member, yeah, I wonder if that could be a link.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just a little bone they're throwing to some of us through the book readers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she said, wrong theories only Bernard Lerz sims to the orchards to kill him, but then gets attacked by a colony of rabbits descended from the one young child.
[SPEAKER_01]: One young one Juliet really stood into the wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sims thinks he's victorious, but Amazon finishes him off with a stapler.
[SPEAKER_01]: The key to the mystery door ends up being the pez dispenser and the silo's ins float to freedom through a Willy Wonka style magic tunnel ride on giant pez candy shades, uh, Lilos, the silo Lilos.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is my best theory so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you didn't ask for these, but I've so many wrong theories.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I'd share.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be off to adopt a cat named Salvador Quinn, uh, hashtag humans are gonna human.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the idea of Bernard being killed by thorough rubits.
[SPEAKER_01]: I decided from the one that Julia released last season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the pez dispenser, love tunnel escape.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it all comes back to the past dispense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you weren't completely off with the past dispenser coming back in the finale, so, but yet, please do keep sending wrong theories.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to hear it, definitely.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's wrong theories.
[SPEAKER_01]: John says, so we're going to check back in on John's opinion, but we're tracking his hatred of the Sims in Bernard, which is hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, the Sims in Bernard need to GTFOH and go clean already.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should be a team of folks trailing them every day yelling, clean, clean, clean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever they're up and about walking around the side, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Falcon says, uh, what music would I play the kids in solo's legacy pad?
[SPEAKER_01]: As a vet metal head, Led Zeppelin are great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd go for let it be the Beatles to give some everyone goose bumps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I saw this.
[SPEAKER_02]: This comment in the show runs poor on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a great, I think it's a great, it's a great look going to play.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to go with, I made three selections.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go with, hey, Jude.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go with, welcome to the jungle by the roses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to go with something a bit more contemporary because I've been listening to it a lot lately.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Birds with it, birds of a feather by Billie Eilish.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, um, I would go, yeah, I would go for something that would, that gives me heavy highs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So something like maybe like bittersweet symphony or, um, I love this, I love song for Zula by Foster Press and if you don't know it, look it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that song.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, something, something like that that's just like has a complexity or, you know, even like classical music would blow their minds.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice bit of late Beethoven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so skipping now to episode nine, which episode nine seems to be the favorite on discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a favorite episode this season?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think my favorite episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it's it's it's even nine or ten.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought ten was a very satisfying for now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also quite like four, which is Meadow's death.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, yeah, just all the stuff like getting that insight into solo, Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just the way that episode four opened with
[SPEAKER_01]: the cameras showing him just like hanging out with Julia talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also the other one I really loved was episode six probably particularly because it ends with Bernard finally popping the question to Lucas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so after episode nine, Ashley has said, another thought that I'm sure Alicia loved Lucas's mom is fine and he lied because he was a coward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I did not see that coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love how this show writes its characters in such realistic ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one is a hundred percent altruistic and no one is a hundred percent evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Bernard might be close.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm going to push back on that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Bernard is close to being a hundred people because in the end he doesn't even know about showing it in a very kinded, very unnecessary way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does care about the people of the soil.
[SPEAKER_02]: And arguably demonstrates that, you know, that's the last thing he demonstrates because I think he does save Juliette in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, as far as where would you put Lucas on the, on the, on the Sims nine scale at the end of the season?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, three.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because yeah, I think ultimate ultimately he does the right thing, but he can, he can never be a one in my eyes because he did take Bernard Shilling to start where he did become.
[SPEAKER_02]: but not shut out for a little while, so he wasn't least tempted.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if Bernard came and was like, uh, you can either go die in the minds where you can live in this awesome library and break code, so I'm taking the job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I blame him not a bit for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, yeah, that's probably true, but I still put him on a throne.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: After episode nine, Skatuni said such a strong episode so nice to have a few mysteries tied up and in such interesting ways I certainly wasn't expecting a happy ending between solo and the others in silo, seventeen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't particularly like Sims as a character last season.
[SPEAKER_01]: He felt a bit one note, but he's so much better this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a little confused about the timeline of the rebellion.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know solo was twelve years old when it happened and then sometime later the parents got into the vault.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eater said her mother was a baby at the time so does that put solo at fifty at about fifty in the twenty five year timeline is just not correct and yeah just to clarify.
[SPEAKER_01]: even when I said it would be at least twenty five years but I knew it was going to be more than that so yeah so we know that the silo seventeen rebellion happened when solo was about twelve so if he's about fifty now it was like nearly forty years earlier and yeah yeah and then we got confirmation from hope that it was when her mom was a baby so well I do like that scene and uh... my little scene
[SPEAKER_02]: In episode ten where Jimmy is remembering it, and it says my parents, my parents would be young, would have been younger than I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm all nervous.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was a really touching little moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the waste was on the limit of the line as well as just heartbreaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that whole thing was very well staged and everything too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Skaterny continues.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do wish the other characters in silence, seventeen had been introduced a little earlier.
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely could have skipped some of the time, Julia had spent fixing things to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, yeah, um, yeah, I get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was on the timeline for the books I have to say, but I understand what you're saying there.
[SPEAKER_01]: As a viewer, we already knew Solo was a child at the time of the rebellion and that the numbers in the classroom were codes to the vault, but the show still did a good job of building on those reveals to still make it reveals to the viewer too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Solo is Russell's son.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got into the vault.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw this criticism a bit on Reddit and I don't really agree with it that the writers give you the tools to get part of the way there, which you aren't just waiting for the characters to make the same realization.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's going to be saying, they saw on Reddit people saying that
[SPEAKER_01]: that they weren't surprises, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I agree that you have the tools to figure it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think everyone does figure it out, but it is then satisfying when it's confirmed, do you get additional information?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, Dan G says, I see Camille and Robert Sims as worse than Bernard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bernard is a bad dude and has evil tones to him, but he does know the truth of what happens if everyone goes outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows that silo-a-teen just ends up like silo-seventined it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Sims are deciding what to do based on who they think will win the conflict and not about what they believe is best for the silo.
[SPEAKER_01]: If they side with a rebellion, and it looks like they plan to, again, this was episode nine, and the rebellion succeeds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their next move is to try to take control and run the silo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you get your nuna points, Dan.
[SPEAKER_01]: In defense of Audrey, I think that Audrey serves as a reminder for what their life has been like since birth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They live in the remnants of a war zone, the one other person they know is alive solo, they refer to as the killer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, if their family is who led the rebellion, then who knows the lore that's been passed down to them?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure the stories that have been told and passed down pain to rather heroic picture of their family and rather grim one of any outsiders.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yamasuming, their family did not lead the rebellion on the suit because they stayed behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't go outside.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that would make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: But still, yeah, I think that still is a good point that this is a thing they make a big deal of in the books that, I mean, they actually, the kids kind of, they thought that their parents were kind of mean and violent.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, and that was just kind of the way things had gotten with the people who were left in silence, seventeen after.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, and now we reach the finale, and obviously this is the bulk of the feedback.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, kale on blue sky just kale says, at least in Luke, I'm really hoping everyone's loins are okay after the Foxy Noxie content we've received in the silo finale.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are some gifts I need.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we didn't hear from our online afflicted friend Kristina.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kristina, we want to hear your thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Kristina, if you just check in, we need to make sure that your minds are okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Kelsey's my partner, non-book, took my hand and said, don't fall in love.
[SPEAKER_01]: He might not survive the episode, and I couldn't believe that he was the one saying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Luckily, we were both wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he totally called the Pes origin story before it happened, which was the best surprise for this book fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that readers and non-readers can watch this show together and both enjoy it as a testament, as a testament to the brilliance of the storytelling team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And checking back in with Ashley, Ashley, as after the finale, wow, I feel like they played around with the quote unquote big question.
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened to the world for two seasons?
[SPEAKER_01]: And while it's not at all surprising, I'm fabulously happy with this reveal.
[SPEAKER_01]: That harsh cut to normal life on Earth was crazy and totally unexpected.
[SPEAKER_01]: while I'm frustrated because I always want to know more, I'm pretty satisfied with what was answered, left unanswered and where the storyline is headed.
[SPEAKER_01]: For example, I'm so glad the hand signals mechanical uses became an integral part of the plot in rebellion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I noticed the hand signals in season one and was disappointed they never became a plot point.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was thrilled to see that was what fooled Bernard in the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I noticed it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did use them in season one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of forgot about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they also called attention Shirley mentioned it in like episode two of this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, oh, I was teaching, I'm teaching so-and-so the hand signals.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, yeah, it was very, it was very mature.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a good, good example of planting and pile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because it was like at the time I noted it, but then I forgot about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ashley says the those character dynamics in silo eighteen were wild and how come Camille gets to stay in the vault.
[SPEAKER_01]: My partner has had a side thought that she might be a founder descendant.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all good and fun things to think about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to sleep for a few days and rewatch the whole season again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think about that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think do you think Camille or anyone else is a founder descendant?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it has to be a reason why the algorithm is allowing Camille to stay, but not Robert or Anthony.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then again, if she was a descendant, Anthony would be allowed to stay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, if that were the logic, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the way I figured I'd been saying for the longest time that I think she would make a better shadow than Robert.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's lovely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the algorithm can see everything in the silo, you know, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean my assumption was just like it was just I mean Robert just before this had but was holding a gun in Lucas's face like it's not who they that's not who anyone once in charge I do I do love like this is one going is there any chance you could put the gun away no there's absolutely no chance okay okay thought I'd try I think
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so then actually added later.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've rewatched the last ten minutes of the finale three times so far and oh, there's just so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: The congressman said that he serves the quote unquote fighting fifteenth district of Georgia.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as curious to look up where in the state that it's located, right now there's only fourteen districts in Georgia according to Google.
[SPEAKER_01]: So wow, even more juicy to mix.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this takes place at least after the twenty-thirty census, then we have a time line.
[SPEAKER_01]: After the Y- twenty-thirty.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because U.S.
[SPEAKER_02]: Census is a day annual on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It takes place every ten years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we haven't had twenty-thirty yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the fifteenth is invented this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the last census was twenty-twenty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're saying at least in the twenty-thirty census.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because congressional abortion won't change until the next census.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yes, yeah, I think you and John were right in saying that this is not, this is not meant to be now or this meant to be at some point in the not-too-distant future.
[SPEAKER_02]: My sort of head cam in at the moment is, twenty-fifty.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and Ashley finishes his message with the pez dispenser edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yay, we finally know with the duck he came from.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does this mean Helen is going to make it into the silo project?
[SPEAKER_01]: I have more thoughts, but I don't want to throw them all out there just yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, Ashley, please do keep throwing your thoughts out and we'll catch them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I meant I went to look up, but I never got round to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the University of Colorado's mascot?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not, it wasn't University of Colorado, it was University of, oh shoot, where was, um, but yeah, it was, it was somewhere in Oregon, it was Oregon, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it is a, yeah, because he said that earlier too, he said his was a bulldog and hers was a duck and then he gave her the duck he passed us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it is, the musco is a duck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Howard J says a bit early even before the pot is out.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was an emotional roller coaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: From when Sir Jura gave his life to thinking they really thought Walker was a rat, knocks and is perfect hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: The barrel was cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Julia gaining some empathy, I cried with sadness and with happiness for thirty minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could have done with a still suit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Spoiler, do we think Julia had saved Bernard, hence the fire suit?
[SPEAKER_01]: The ending, non-book readers will go ape.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yours in expectancy, age.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, um... Well, I've already said I don't think bananas arrive.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be very surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: if but not was alive but you saved Julia on purpose yes okay thank you very much uh yeah i mean i i i think it was it was an emotional ride did you go ape non-book reader i if if i had been in a condition to go away but i would have gone ape but yeah the first time i watched this like
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brandon says, Brandon here again, I am blown away.
[SPEAKER_01]: My heart rate was at one ten the entire time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely didn't see the hand signal twist coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bernard was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: The AI straight up projecting Sims made me cackle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the solo and Juliet hug were well earned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was, what did you think of the hug?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a well, it was a well earned hug.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's first hug in forty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty much.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, if somebody needs to come up, if somebody needs to edit that, the algorithm talking to Robert Sims, and somebody needs to add, like, a walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk-in walk.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Brandon says, I think it's obvious, Julie, that will survive via the firefighter suits.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Bernard will live, but as a burn victim, sadly, kind of like him at the very end.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, a kind of like him at the, oh, I guess, Brandon saying that he came around to Bernard a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I kind of liked him at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Alicia I know from your what if coverage that you will hate this too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't stand when the raiders didn't listen to Lucas for two seconds and just beat him to a pulp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do we always say?
[SPEAKER_01]: Clear communication.
[SPEAKER_01]: I must say one thing I really didn't like is as soon as Dr. Nichols truly believes his daughter is alive, he immediately offers himself as sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_01]: As a father myself, I would personally change my mindset to stay alive as long as possible and find her at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, threw me off a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can definitely see where you're coming from.
[SPEAKER_02]: With that comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can definitely see why that why that would hit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why that would hit wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other way, phenomenal television, great acting, great twists and most of all great coverage from you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you in season three, Brandon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Brandon.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we got a voicemail actually from Paul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should we check in with Paul's finale thoughts?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, silence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, I've got a bit of a cold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, what a thrilling and emotionally charged finale.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rebecca Ferguson and Tim Robbins were really outstanding.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sign language twist from Martha
[SPEAKER_00]: really did make me jump up in my seat, then Dr Nichols obviously making the ultimate sacrifice made me gasp and I kind of nearly crying actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway then of course Lucas
[SPEAKER_00]: never ceases to amaze us with these now kickboxing skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: He also had a wonderful mother.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she's really, really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did wonder when we'd see the pez dispenser again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who are those guys on a date in DC, I wonder?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a book reader I do know, but I'm sworn to secrecy.
[SPEAKER_00]: The guiding expertise from Alicia, Luke, and Abbey in the podcast and the buzz of the discord community.
[SPEAKER_00]: Make the show even more eventful and compelling.
[SPEAKER_00]: You all deserve a ten of Snickers ice cream from the legacy room.
[SPEAKER_00]: So low will be around shortly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't wait for season three, and they even bigger, shift in gear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Best wishes.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you did there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So shift is the name of the second book, which is going to be the focus of the third season for anyone who didn't get that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's Luke.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, thanks Paul.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was really nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_02]: If Bernard is dead, I think he is worth taking a moment to sort of reflect on the sheer quality of performance Tim Robbins is given over the last episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, on one hand, you can say, you know, it's Oscar winner, Tim Robbins.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just Tim Robbins being Tim Robbins, but I think, but no one must be a difficult character to play because it would be so easy to turn him into a mustache twirling villain.
[SPEAKER_02]: and Tim Robbins and the writers always made sure that there was more to them than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And particularly in this episode, when you see Bernard's personality start to come apart in the course of the episode, I think Tim Robbins did that really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that little maniac laugh.
[SPEAKER_02]: when when Martha gets to count down, when Martha gets to count down slightly wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because you can just see like the relief pour out of Benad and it's like, oh, oh, no, he's, he's actually good to succeed here, isn't he?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate it and thank you actually Paul for sending a voicemail.
[SPEAKER_01]: I encourage more people to do the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of fun to, you know, really genuinely get to talk to each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Martinez says, Hi, Lisa.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my first time writing to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been listening to your podcasts since season one episode one and gives compliments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael says after each episode, I make a beeline to your podcast and can't wait to hear.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a non book reader.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's very kind, Michael.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Michael sent some bulleted bullet point reactions.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says episode ten podcast reactions Bernard, you know, says John was good, but I miss Luke's non-book POV and also I look forward to hearing Luke's responses and speculations to your questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Michael.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he says, you wondered what hope was painting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I noticed the jewels looked at an item in front of hope.
[SPEAKER_01]: The table service or small, which makes me think it was a cloth with the message don't go outside the jewels held up to the camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, a couple people brought this up that they were probably painting the don't go outside that she held up which makes total sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that's.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Nichols, I was crushed to see that Dr. Die, although he gave a touching farewell and had a pivotal scene in episode ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Questions?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've included my responses slash theories as a non-book reader wondering if any are correct or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not going to tell you if they are, but let's listen to the questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will Jules return to silence seventeen?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's doubtful.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jules will stay in silence eighteen?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are your thoughts?
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope she does, because I don't like the thought of, I don't like the thought of Jimmy and the kids being left in Sino.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seventeen for reasons I've sort of talked about earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think in the long run, like the Sino of Seventeen is livable.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope they find a way out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do wonder, I know what happens in the books, but I have reason to think there might be doing it differently.
[SPEAKER_01]: to condensed things.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see if I'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will solo slash Jimmy find a way to communicate with jewels in silo eighteen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the algorithm in silo eighteen will help jewels to communicate with silo slash Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think the algorithm will help jewels?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would the algorithm do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the algorithm did say that it wanted to help
[SPEAKER_01]: Sims save the silo so maybe if if there was a reason to do that maybe it would be linked to yeah maybe maybe I don't know the other the algorithm comes across as a deeply sinister force to me
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael says, do all the silos have a tunnel at the bottom?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I think they all have a tunnel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would be inclined to agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would assume, I would just assume in general, they have the same layout, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you disagree?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they would have all the bin belt to the same, to the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we know that actually saw that of seventeen is a slightly different layout.
[SPEAKER_02]: How so?
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought we would sort of establish that the sheriff's office in silo-seventhing was a bit closer to the top of the silo than it was in silo-seventhing.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's always on the top floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've different decor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're thinking of the IT as much higher in the TV show versus the books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ah, okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Michael says, are the silos interconnected?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they're the tunnel at the bottom, the algorithm and the IT server room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I know you think the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Michael, we are on the same page and my friend, we're on the same page.
[SPEAKER_02]: Team all the team all the silos are linked.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, some of that, I know the answer to, the tunnel is a new addition.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a theory what it is, but I will not tell you, obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about this one, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will solar slash Jimmy venture out to silo-eteen?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be cool to have him visit jewels, maybe he will find a way to use his tunnel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, that depends heavily on whether the tunnel is a thing, the connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can the silo, and but also if
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a tunnel at the bottom of his, which I assume there is, it's heavily flooded.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and it will be for quite some time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ken and the silos communicate slash interact with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's possible, and the algorithm is the key.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know about the algorithm being the key, but you mean you are definitely on the same page with the being able to communicate, Michael.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are there separate algorithms for each silo?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's one gigantic program that customizes the interactions with each silo.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I would lean towards that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who are the founders?
[SPEAKER_01]: Given the T's at the end of episode ten, I think that the federal government staff slash leaders are the founders.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like the US government people became the founders.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Army Corps of Engineers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, it would be logical people to build the cellos, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did Jules and Bernard die in the fire?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, their suits protected them, so he thinks maybe they both survived.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jules had the fire suit though, and Bernard had an outside suit, but it was not a specifically a fire suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Jules is a survivor because she's been in the fire suit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the several inches thick for armor and I don't see why Bernard would have survived just wearing the normal going outside to because the whole Isn't part of the point of having that that decontamination process to stop a person It was being sent out to clean from like going halfway up the
[SPEAKER_02]: tunnel and then turning around and coming back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the decim to contamination process.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe there's some secondary thing, but ostensibly it's to burn off any bad air that might have leaked in when they opened the locks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, but I agree with you, that's probably it's primary purpose, but I also thought it was there as a sort of safe garden case a person being sent out to clean.
[SPEAKER_02]: change the mind?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I mean, I know they made a bigger deal of it earlier in the books so that it wasn't a surprise when Julia came back, like I said.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is slightly different, but I'm guessing that that was just like a compression for, you know, you have limited screen time to give all these details.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if anything's changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Has the algorithm but monitoring everyone all along for hundreds of years?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I suspect the algorithm was installed when the silos were being built.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I would go further, I think the younger rhythm might manipulate the founders of humans in building the silos in the first place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: How does algorithm monitor the inhabitants of each silo?
[SPEAKER_01]: I suspect it's intertwined into the wiring throughout each silo utilizing the camera's computers and mirrors, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we know that there are cameras behind some of the mirrors, at least because we saw that last season.
[SPEAKER_01]: So for sure, the algorithm has access to any surveillance in the silo that the humans are looking at too.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, is silo eighteen and last surviving silo with ten thousand people?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I suspect the algorithm killed the other silos or the inhabitants killed themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, where do you think?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that is a spicy meatball.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm gonna have to chill on that for a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Michael, that is an interesting thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an interesting thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is Camille's role in Tylo-Ateen?
[SPEAKER_01]: She will kill Bernard after she sees Bernard kill her husband.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Dave Bernard survived, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will Lucas save the day in Silent Eighteen?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he will be killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, seems like the show likes to kill off characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, damn.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will he save the day?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's gonna die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what did Lucas whisper to Bernard?
[SPEAKER_01]: The algorithm told Lucas that all the other silos failed.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are the last one, and now Silent Eighteen will be killed by the safeguard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dark.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, is that what Luke did?
[SPEAKER_02]: might that be what Lucas is referring to when he says the key fob doesn't write up because this is a problem in light so because it's over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I mean he seems to think that they were gonna all die in their silo at least.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we know that there seems to be the way they've cut away, like when he was deciphering the code from South Florida Quinn, the way they cut away when he was talking to the algorithm, the way they cut away when he was whispering in Bernard's ear, the seems to suggest there may be something else that he found out from the code and or the algorithm that viewers aren't being told about yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would also explain, you know, just the fact that Meadows, Bernard, and Lucas were just as soon as they heard whatever they mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were out of there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would like all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess I give up on everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: and says big family podcasts in the show, Michael Martinez.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Michael.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was a really fun list of questions to go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think that's sort of bullet points to call time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very easy to talk about, so thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tony C says, hi again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Enjoyed your episode in the season finale.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking Bernard is definitely gone, but has redeemed himself if he saved Juliet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you that it's a shame they killed Papa Nichols off before he knew for sure his daughter was alive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope we haven't seen the last of solo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved that scene where he saw his parents and then seeing himself in the mirror and realizing he was older than them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that seems to be a favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I would be surprised if they didn't continue with Steve's on next season considering his characters clearly live and well with those kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: As for Bernard, knowing the who but not the why, I'm thinking CIA, but hoping against hope it's not too easy and answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts CIA.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, as far as we know, the rest of the US government ceased to exist, so it would be really impressive if the agency continues to exist and some form.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could say, I think, I think the who is the, as they react to rhythm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found the Washington D.C.
[SPEAKER_01]: very interesting of jarring.
[SPEAKER_01]: The appearance of the PES dispenser was brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to know though how that scene fits the silo timeline apart from the quote unquote dating reference.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem too far in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: All in all, I'm hooked and excited about what's to come and fighting myself against spoilers all the best Tony current.
[SPEAKER_01]: PS.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another podcast I listen to seems to believe the Washington DC scene is a flashback.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more confused than ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: My initial thought, and I'm still leaning that way, is that it's a flash forward, and they'll be investigating the silos.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the other hand, it could be a flashback as it's unlikely only Georgia suffered whatever calamity causes silos to be built.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unless, of course, it's so vast sociological experiment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going around in circles like those silo stairs now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, I can't wait for season three.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope I have the patience not to read the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least I've got severance to keep my head wrecked in the meantime.
[SPEAKER_02]: I certainly don't think it was a flash forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'd be very, very surprised that it was a flash forward.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it was a flashback either.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was just opening up a new plot line.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think it's at the same time?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I think it's in the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think it's not the characters in the Silent Flashing back to a particular point.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just... Well, it's certainly not the characters we've seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you think... I mean, how do you think that this story might tie to what we've seen so far?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like I said, I've seen...
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not very much here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not very much on team.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a sociological experiment, but not here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was a visual intelligence.
[SPEAKER_02]: What I think the artificial intelligence has done is it's convinced the US government to build these silos.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I was trying to think how and why it's done that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The how is I think that it's this part of a project to like,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was meant as an experiment to see how humans would survive, you know, extraterrestrial travel, you know, if people have been put on colony ships for a long time, I think the silos might have been designed to test how well people could survive in that kind of environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because think about it, the silo is in a lot of respect, similar to a spaceship, it's a closed environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: the environment and to end.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's how the silos got built.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the algorithm as a singularity as a fully conscious piece of artificial intelligence has been sort of running this experiment with the people on the silos just to see how the human brain
[SPEAKER_02]: the human-minded work, it's trying to understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going a bit, it's stable, it starts right in the motion picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're trying to understand that it's creator.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, moving on to Skatuni says, I really enjoyed the finale, but I must say I'm not a fan of the cliffhanger in silo-eighteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although credit to Bernard, he actually tried to save Juliette.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bernard was great fun to watch this episode, giggling on his sofa.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also enjoyed Bernard saying he knows the hoop and not the y, and we immediately cut to the storyline, which presumably will explain both.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that you think this
[SPEAKER_02]: It's such a good line.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just like giving you a little bit of hope and then taking it away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Giving you a little bit of information taking it away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that the scene we got at the end of that story is going to explain who and why?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think Helen the reporter and the congressman
[SPEAKER_02]: Mike, turn out to be like the Wooden Burnstein and this particular story, you know, trying to unpick why these silos are being built and who's building them?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But crucially, they won't be able to succeed or if they do succeed, they're not going to get killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because if they reveal it to the wider world, the game is up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So either they don't succeed or they end up dead in the ditch somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a good point brought up by someone who said, why would Helen think that a junior congressman would know this information?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's a good question to keep in mind too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Skatuni says generally just a very well-constructed and fast-paced episode with the one caveat that I didn't like the cliffhanger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a book reader, but it's the sort of cliffhanger where they obviously hopefully aren't going to unceremoniously kill off the main character, so it seems pointless.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would love to hear more about the changes to the book, but I think that going on the wiki would be a sure way of being spoiled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't go on the wiki.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I actually think that was quite well handled because, yeah, we don't really need to spend, you're like, whether Julia survived this, but yeah, we just did banana survive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can accept she had the fire suit.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's Julia.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's Rebecca Ferguson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's number one in the call sheet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, although, you know, Bernard is Tim Robbins, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Sub-Zero says based on the cafe scene, they were hinting at nuclear war, which would explain why it's toxic outside and it could explain why they built the silos to preserve humanity, but it doesn't explain why it all feels like a social experiment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you play with people's lives like that if there are so few remaining thoughts on that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, as I say, if they do, if they do the storyline that there wasn't nuclear war, so we built the silos,
[SPEAKER_02]: for the survivors, I'm going to be really disappointed because not to get all sort of, I are, to go about this, it simply wouldn't work.
[SPEAKER_02]: You couldn't, you couldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or I just, I would, I would think would be extremely difficult to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they go down that road, I'm gonna, unless they explain it, unless they explain how you could have a nuclear war and then build the silos really well, I'm gonna be really disappointed if that's the end of the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the other hand, like I say, I think
[SPEAKER_02]: What you could have situation is there is a nuclear war.
[SPEAKER_02]: The silos have been built beforehand for a, ostensibly for a different purpose.
[SPEAKER_02]: And therefore, they're unavailable for the survivors to move into.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Subzero says I'm sure book readers are just biting their tongues right now and yep, we're just gonna keep biting my tongue.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, was listening to the pod and John identified Camille as a moral and I completely agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not inherently good or bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's driven by self interest.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm curious to see how that translates now that she's handled the keys to the kingdom.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, this is the interesting point because I would agree, but does that self-interest, is that self-interest wide enough to encompass Robert and Anthony as well?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think that's her self-respect that it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Subzero says I took a philosophy class in college where we spent the entire quarter studying the professor's own book, which was a discourse on a morality and how being a moral can be a viable way to live.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember much of the details, but essentially his argument was that most, if not all existing morality codes are fundamentally flawed.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are often constructed in such a way as to help those in power remain in power.
[SPEAKER_01]: The author posited that it's possible to not be beholden to any moral codes and still be able to make choices that are socially accepted as right or good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a fascinating class, I just wish I could remember the professor's name or book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that is such a massive red flag.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is such a no-knowing bubble.
[SPEAKER_02]: Any professor
[SPEAKER_02]: that assigns their own work as the call text.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, run.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: As long as there's other stuff, but it does remind me of I took psychology courses in college from a professor who declared himself, you know, he told us he's like, I'm a sociopath.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's basically saying, I'm not compelled to do the right thing by empathy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he talked very openly about like how do so not all sociopaths, you know, a lot of them just lead normal lives and it often becomes like a game he said for himself of, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: of identifying like this is the most productive way to behave because he's realized if, you know, he behaves in a way that's good for society that also benefits him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for my, yeah, just seem similar to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of you are says my hope for Camille is that she ends up making decisions that will benefit the greater good even if she doesn't feel any moral obligation to do so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I think that's going to be the question if it comes down to between her family or the silo is a whole, what would she do?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, for the moment those two things are lying, but yeah, should they have a, yeah, it's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's take a quick pause here when we come back Riana, continue discussing the finale and more silo thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Jim Pacty and says, as someone who has only read the first book, and will probably read slash listen to the second before the third season, this is all gripping stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: The clip hanger is actually pretty wild for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like at least some of my guesses are coming true, which I haven't shared with anyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've enjoyed the show more than the books, though both are good and can't wait for season three to get here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see why some might prefer one or the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doves, if anyone says, silo is a series goes from strength to strength.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like John, I devoured the trilogy of books after Alicia's recommendations and whilst it stopped at the, uh, whilst it stopped the wild speculation I had while watching season one, I've been really pleasantly surprised with the changes they have made in many areas.
[SPEAKER_01]: The legacy, so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: The mysterious tunnel, do we assume every silo has one or just a teen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we talked about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fleshing out of Bernard, Robin's needs an Emmy, and Sims, a fantastic study in Quartet ambition.
[SPEAKER_01]: The addition of Judge Meadows, we barely knew the and Camille, who we thought initially a lady Macbeth has developed into one of the most nuanced protagonists in silo a teen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Watching it with my wife has been fantastic, as she hasn't read the book, so I have my own Alicia Luke-style conversations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Plus, my youngest daughter is now a committed silence in.
[SPEAKER_01]: With some minor nitpicks, I'm just going to have to rewatch the season to properly take it all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: All bodes well for season three, which should have a different tone to what has come before, and it's brilliant that the show runners will get to close off their adaptation over the next two seasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: More mysteries abound, and I for one can't wait to uncover them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's always very well put, doof.
[SPEAKER_01]: The TCS says, just finished the silo-eight team part of the podcast and I'm thinking right now, Juliet lives Bernard dies, but I don't see him saving her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was in a fire suit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually think she will be trying to save him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if he lives, it's because she shielded him and there are no flames in the very bottom of the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I thought he did jump to, he will at least he chased her into the, into the lock knowing the fire was going to go off to try to stop her because she had just said, I have a way to save the silo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bernard knows about the algorithm, but not that it's so all-encompassing, all-encompassing in its spying ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know someone is watching the watcher so fully.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he knows about the safeguard, and that's what Lucas tells him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he at least does know that the algorithm sees everything because, like, for instance, we saw when Bernard is with Lucas.
[SPEAKER_01]: He got that message.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a delta emergency in the central shaft.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he knows the algorithms monitoring the silo.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still undecided if the algorithm told Lucas anything else beyond confirming the safeguard is real.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that they are super close to using it or what could trigger it other than him telling people about it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think just knowing about the safeguard in the fact that the information couldn't be shared would make a shadow quit or drink or get people to forget.
[SPEAKER_01]: This claim are all evidence indicates that my prediction skills are pretty bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you've done a decent job in previous messages.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I already said that I agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there's something they're not saying about what the algorithm said in the Lucas.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jean says okay so here we go ready to check back in on Jean's feelings about his passion especially the family sims well well well silo it seems you've managed to give me everything that I wanted it while also giving me more to look forward to
[SPEAKER_01]: At Mr. Sims, you, sir, you have been deemed not worthy of the vault that that moment sends me into a laughing and coughing dealing with a cold fit that I've not experienced in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The look on Mr. Sims' face at that moment could be my fav of the series.
[SPEAKER_01]: algorithm told Mr. Sims, you ain't got to go home, but you do have to get the F up out of here, LMFAO.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think that this was Mrs. Sims's end game, whether it was her or him.
[SPEAKER_01]: For one of them to have control of the silo and its secrets, Mr. Sims thought that was going to be him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think this is going to be going to end well for either of them by the time it's all said and done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Listening to the pod and it's the least-estated, Mrs. Sims has a lot of haters.
[SPEAKER_01]: I realize that if Mrs. Sims has one hater left in this world, then that hater is me.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Mrs. Sims has no haters left on earth, then I went to live on Mars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm still a Camille defender, but your hatred abuses me and let's keep it coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: John, John, I love the version.
[SPEAKER_01]: John, you can hear, listen to he and I kicking around our thoughts about Marvel and DC staff on the Laura Hound's podcast, especially so.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've been releasing some recent episodes and more to come.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rebecca fans says, regarding into the fire, the scenes with Juliet and Solo were where my favorite, especially their final.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve's on a solo stole every scene, but the last scene was solo and Juliet was incredibly moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I recall correctly, that last scene is the one song spoke of when he and Rebecca became a bit emotionally overwhelmed as they were both so into their characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, when the in interviews about it, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved, yeah, so we in interviews basically, they said the two of them said that, yeah, that last scene was really, like as they had been filming by themselves in that silo, you know, because the kids only come in at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and they weren't filming all the scenes with, you know, everyone else did that before that, all the silo-y teen stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it was just a two of them doing this for months.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was like a real emotional bond connection, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I loved Julia's moment with the kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes me wonder how she will react to all the tap in an eighteen, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of which, I got goosebumps when she walked over the hill.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reactions from walk surely in knocks for some of the shows most satisfying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Poor Dr. Nichols.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sideface here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Banards last F was gone, L-O-L, Tim Robbins made Banard, the MVP of eighteen, Banard and Meadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Banard and Meadows.
[SPEAKER_01]: When he spoke to her corpse, one of the best scenes in the season, Banard and Lucas, exceptional character development.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if that's the end of Tim Robbins, he certainly delivered maybe my favorite performance I've ever seen from him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously there's like Shawshank redemption.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going to say it's up there with Shawshank.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Shawshank is still as best for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: But definitely one of my favorites of his walks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha, smile.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lucas went from a mousey little coward to a man with conviction to losing his last F-two great character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, loved seeing Lucas's arc this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't wait to see what they do with him next season.
[SPEAKER_01]: The culmination of Billings' slow burn arc made me love the character more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh well.
[SPEAKER_01]: The cliffhanger reminded me of the ending to the Walking Dead season six where Neegan killed the audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: I dropped the Walking Dead after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ugh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if you know about if you watch the Walking Dead.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm not a huge fan of like zombies as of.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not really my cup of tea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a zombie person, and I definitely watch, I watched for a while, Passet, and actually Avinaesh, who plays Lucas, was he was on the show after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he joined not long after that whole thing, but there's this infamous, I won't spoil the thing, it's a big thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's an infamous scene with meet this character, Nigan, and a bat, and it definitely pissed a lot of people off.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rebecca fans, as I've not read the books, but I know shift is an origin story, so the last ten minutes weren't a shock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have an opinion on the characters, but I look forward to seeing more of them in season three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, into the fire was a great episode and a lot pays off, but I'm still conflicted by the season overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love how all the little things throughout the season tied together, and I never thought the season was slow, but some arcs needed more breathing room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Julia and solo, Billings, the kids in seventeen, while other arcs and characters, I believe less would have been more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm interested to hear what you think there was too much of.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm anxious for season three, but concern the Juliet will be sideline again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, she's back in silo eighteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, and also we found out, I've read an interview about, you know, I talked about it in the last episode, and in the interview with Sal, Kayeros, that grab most
[SPEAKER_01]: drop some hints about season three and one thing that hint that he dropped is that there is a book character who has been gender swapped for the show and the reason for the gender swap was something about the dynamics between this character and Julia that they want to add to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me that tells me that they are planning to find more ways to center her in the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we have a few more people who are iffy on some of the things from the season in the finale.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ken W said only nineteen minutes into the safeguard, which was episode nine, and I hate what they've done to the kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't like some of, oh, you know, so that was episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nine, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The safeguard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't like some of the other changes, Walker and Solo especially, but this one has gone too far, maybe because I've never had a series or film on screen so close to me finishing the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, going to watch the rest of the episode and see if it turned me around, keep up the great work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks Ken, and we'll hear from Ken after the finale and I can already spoiler Ken was much more happy with the finale, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is, goes a show, you know, a lot of people love episode nine, but then there are some people chafing about some bookstuff for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeff N says, highly shun Luke, I've really enjoyed your episodes along with the spoiler cast episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The novels and short stories compose my second favorite book series after Stephen King's Dark Tower series, which by the way, side note is my sister's favorite book series, Alicia says.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jeff says, and that's why I've been so hopeful for the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying very very hard to enjoy the Apple series, but more and more it feels like very dumb television.
[SPEAKER_01]: The narrative presented on screen is so different from the books, it's become largely unrecognizable.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much exposition, and so many seemingly pointless changes to the story, it feels like those responsible for the show believe their audience is too dumb for the much smarter story told in the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm struggling mightily to keep watching and avoid the pitfalls of comparing it to other shows, but I'm getting tired of being treated like I'm so dumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: especially compared to the brilliant storytelling and showing versus telling of severance.
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy your work thoroughly and suspected it's a major part of why I'm still watching at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please don't stop frustrated yet appreciative Jeff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, where do you think Luke is?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is probably one for you to take, so obviously I don't know anything to compare the show too.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I've certainly never felt that the show was talking down to me or treating me like I'm done.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and why I am famously, I'm more forgiving of book changes in general, unless people who listen to my doom prophecy coverage might not think that, but I am in general very forgiving of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this case, certainly, and I think a lot of that may be things that are not necessarily dumbing down, but just kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's on the one hand, they're streamlining things, and the other hand, they're like building things out by, you know, in making this richer cast of characters with people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I mean, I think when you've read any book series, you have your ideas about how an adaptation should go, because in a sense, when you're reading the book, you're adapting it and you're out of the head, you know, painting images with words.
[SPEAKER_02]: Often times it's not that what you're saying is wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just that what is on the screen may not fit the way you would have done it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess the way I approached that or probably, you know, the way you've heard me approach it on this podcast is that
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, first, I'm like, well, that's a change.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me think about why they might have made this change, like what practical thing, like an actor is an available, they need to reuse the same set, they, you know, screen time, budget, all these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, that helps it becomes like a puzzle, then of how is it actually physically, physically, financially possible to get this adaptation on screen?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I guess I become a lot more forgiving of changes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of the changes I quite like actually, like the building out of the side characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, meadows and was one of my favorite characters, the season, Camille, Kathleen, none of these characters exist in the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we know we want to definitely represent both sides.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have one more on the more negative side.
[SPEAKER_01]: A J-Hail X and says, I feel like Papinical's death was a weaker part of the writing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to stay behind because the remote trigger slash timer slash fuse slash whatever isn't working is a pretty overused trope.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I both love and hate that the reason was something so dumb as it fell out on the way here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish they had motivated Papa Nichols decision little more.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they tried to use his knowledge and that his daughter might still be alive as a motivator to sacrifice himself, but it just wasn't convinced that that wouldn't have worked the other way and made him want to live to help her.
[SPEAKER_01]: He also sees himself as the only one taking care of the folks below the barricade, so what happens without him?
[SPEAKER_01]: I would hate to lose Hank too, but he seems more aligned with the plight of the down deeper, but the last will miss you, sir, Jorra.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know this, but I suspect that there's probably a spot that there's maybe a reason for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It may just be that Ian Glenn has got other projects that he wants to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do take the point about, yeah, the time I'm not working, being a bit, the time I'm not working, being a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then it was fell out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do think that sort of speaks to the strength of being ran in Gran and Billy Possible for the whites.
[SPEAKER_02]: Performance is that in the moment that didn't really bother me because I was too caught up in in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was too caught up in the moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I can see that that isn't a little bit of okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it honestly didn't bother me when I was watching them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to be, if I'm being perfectly honest, honest part of me would have rather hanktied.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know, I know, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you think about it, like, they did move up pop a nickel story by the way, because he and Julia don't even reconcile until after she gets back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've moved up his story considerably, and I can just see
[SPEAKER_01]: you know that they have more story.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want to tell with Hank and with pop and it goes they're like, well, we did his arc and now his arc can end with creating more tragedy for Jill here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like I'm amazed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm stunned for the last one as long as he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I had to stand on at least three separate.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's still kicking at this point in the box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, let's end on some crazy theories in silly fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tony C says, Hi, really enjoy this podcast and sorry we're almost at the end of season two.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think Silent one or fifty one is the overseer of the other silos, which has more knowledge than the rest.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's that silo that triggers the key Bernard carries.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do I use the word technically, if you want to.
[SPEAKER_02]: That implies that that silo is different from the rest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somehow, I'm thinking maybe, yeah, I mean, it's a good thought to me that maybe that's like the control silo, but if that were the case, I'm not sure why the other heads of IT would know about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, if they knew about it, wouldn't that kind of point of its slightly?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just wish, I guess we're never gonna find out now, but I'm really intrigued about the use of the word technically.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, this is in genuine speculation, because I know the answer we're just throwing it out though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could it mean that, you know, technically because one of the silos is dead?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and that would be so that would fit, because that would be so I love seventeen, but now it knows that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong, Tony.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have enough information to rule that out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I'm not, I'm not as crazy a world building goes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not feeling that at this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have any thoughts on the number fifty or fifty one?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you think like, fifty is a nice round number?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll fifty is a nice round number.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then why fifty what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Technically.
[SPEAKER_03]: And is it fifty one or is it one?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like how was I those numbered?
[SPEAKER_02]: Does it math out of it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of leading me so yeah Tony continues.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of leading me slightly away from my original theory that a climate catastrophe was the reason the silos were constructed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had the idea that a group of humans were sent to find a new earth and that their return would be the day it's safe to leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm beginning to feel now that the whole thing may be a huge social experiment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Either way, I'm invested in staying on defined out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so lots more people following in line with your social experiment theory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think me and Tony are on more or less the same page.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I do like the idea that a bunch of humans have been sent into space.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the people on the soil, I would just waiting for them to return.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they don't seem to know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but they may not know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Lucas would be the only one who understands space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, none of the matters is dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tony says, so low is my favorite character, but I also have a soft spot for Bernard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I find Juliet's exploits to be a tad OTT at times.
[SPEAKER_01]: All in all, though, next to severance, it's my favorite series at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And thanks again for your work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love both your takes on things, all the best for now, Tony current.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you, Tony.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Brandon says, hi, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: My new fave episode of the entire show that ending had my jaw on the floor.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm right there with you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Surely WTF man have some heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so this is sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: This should have gone after a episode eight nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's confined confirmed via close captioning, but to me, the voice and the tunnel sounded more human than AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then reference referring to themselves as we implies the founders.
[SPEAKER_01]: But do you think of that?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm not sure that it does.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think if it were a singularity, it would refer to itself.
[SPEAKER_02]: It may refer to itself clearly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, I believe I figured it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I nailed Alicia, you can let me know in the email, but leave it out the card.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fifty first silo is the founder silo, and the next two seasons will be all the silo's uniting against the big bad one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that could work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm obviously not in confirming shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's a theory I got from Michael J and a few others on Discord about the keypad entry code.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the keypad entry code again is five, five, two, zero, three, nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people are asking, is this the date they entered the silo?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be May fifth, twenty, thirty, nine, if that were the case.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would work.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then I'll do all like I was trying to remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did we ever see any of the numbers that Solo entered?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did they end where it was at the same number?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think you can tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't find it in my notes, so I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that seems to be a popular theory at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it works.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... yeah because if we think about like the the keys we have the clues we have about a being near future like uh... someone so if it's twenty thirty nine that is then uh... fourteen years from our time well that's not quite yeah date wouldn't have been coming in that room is an unfortunate right both in years yeah it wouldn't be like i'm quoting him you know that's
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the equivalent of what date sounds like to her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nancy M says, I just got back from walking the dogs in a snowstorm and listening to the pod.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't finished it yet, but I need to send these thoughts before I forget.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure that the cloth the kids were painting on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a cloth that Julia had held up to the camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also the comment that Daniel told Helen about New Orleans,
[SPEAKER_01]: I took that to be a reference to the reinforcement work that Army Corps of Engineers did to show up the Dijk's post Katrina, so he was showing off to her.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if that was, I mean, maybe not Katrina specifically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it would have to have been something else because Daniel couldn't possibly be old enough to, yeah, and at the time, but it doesn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe, I mean, New Orleans obviously is low sea level, and yeah, it makes sense that they would be doing something with Dijk's in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, some comments I have, um, I've meant to send in earlier.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about Rick Almondson.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked the way they rounded out his character in one of the earlier episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learn that he has a wife and a baby on the way, and his interaction with Sims told us a lot about his values.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is committed to his new post, so he won't divulge what he knows to Sims.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he gives it some thought, and as a sign of loyalty, he does meet with Sims and gives him one piece of information.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he tells him that's all he's getting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Telling it's more about his background and then watching him deal with his moral question about what to do I thought rounded him out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure whether we will see more of him next season, but if we do, I wonder if they will continue to expand his character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think I think that we
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with what you said and I also think his character might be developing in a darker direction though just from like those looks he was giving and we know Sim said I'm up to hate Lucas but now like those looks he was giving Lucas in the finale have me a bit worried yes
[SPEAKER_01]: Nancy says, finally, as a Canadian, I feel it is my responsibility to provide a fun fact about the showrunner Graham Yost.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is from Wikipedia.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yost was born in Eto B. Coke, Eto B. Coke, in the Toronto metropolitan area.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a son of Canadian television personality, L. Weost, the longtime host of the public broadcasters, TV, Ontario Saturday night at the movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, too, was born in Eto B. Coke.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And TV on Twitter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And TV on Tario is like the US PBS network.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember watching his dad on TV for many years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ellie Yost was a walking and cyclopedia film knowledge and he would introduce old movies with background information and interviews every weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: At first, they were just with local movie experts, but the show grew in popularity and eventually stars would come on the show as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: In an age before the internet, it boggles my mind how he knew so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, when he retired in nineteen ninety nine, a copy of all his interviews on the show was donated to the Motion Pictures Academy, just imagine what life was like for young Graham growing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: No wonder he went into the movie business and is so good at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has the DNA of a Canadian movie historian legend.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really fun to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cincinnati Joe says question about your favorite Lucas.
[SPEAKER_01]: When he gets back up top, Lucas acts like life in the silo is over, but there doesn't seem to be evidence of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There have been rebellions before and silo was okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: The algorithm said it told him the same thing that it told Meadows and
[SPEAKER_01]: and Salvador Quinn, that affected them greatly, but they didn't think the end was near.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the algorithm was definitely going to kill the silo, wouldn't they all be dead before Lucas gets up to, before Lucas gets up top?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is he certain that they're doomed?
[SPEAKER_01]: Telling Bernard, that's why the key fob isn't lighting up, and Sims to see the vault while he can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think, like I said, I think there's more that we didn't see about that conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe says in the podcast, I think John suggested that opening the outer door might trigger the safeguard could be, but then wouldn't Lucas be trying to stop that, even without the safeguard seems like he and Bernard would be trying to stop people opening the outer door.
[SPEAKER_01]: At this time, Lucas has no reason to think the Patrick is going to suddenly lead an effort to go out, not even knocks anticipated that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I mean, I would say Bernard actually was trying to, he was
[SPEAKER_01]: He kicked everyone out of the deputy station and positioned himself there with the gun, which granted on the one hand, it seems he wanted to go out, although maybe only after he saw Julie F. But also, I assumed he was trying to block people from going through because that's how you get to the outside through the sheriff's station.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, that's that one guy that he tells not to leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that just to have somebody to help him put the suit on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do you know who that was?
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the guy who last season was so afraid of having Sims locked up in jail.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Joe says, related to that, I wonder if Lucas is somewhat safe telling Bernard about what he learned from the algorithm, because Bernard is head of IT is allowed to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, yeah, Lucas was like, pretend you're talking about something serious.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they talk about something serious, like, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for your coverage, Cincinnati Joe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you, Joe, for your email.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. James says, Alicia and Luke, I cannot adequately explain how much I've enjoyed your silo podcast and fact enough that this is the first time I've taken to provide feedback or a question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks James.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with Luke as a non-book reader and I'm only still in this category as I love the idea of being naive to the full story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I truly appreciate the style of this podcast of discussions that have taken place in the grace and kindness that you show each other and the audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: We try not to be crappy people.
[SPEAKER_01]: We try.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we do our best.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ended up binging season one of the show and your pod is I waited by each week for season two pairs of shows and pods to be released.
[SPEAKER_01]: I found that by watching the show and then listening allows me to go beyond the surface and consider and understand the show so much better, which is why I would have typically read the books first.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what we hope to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, just a general thank you for our time and effort.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the first subscription that James is entering.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really touching.
[SPEAKER_01]: My question, if this has been addressed, I've missed a please, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: My question is, it is my understanding that the silos have been around much longer than the hundred and forty years since the last rebellion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, indeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got the number, what was it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Fifty-two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fifty-two?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: Three hundred and fifty-two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how that's what Bernard said.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how many years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, if silo a teen, I think he has suggested over three hundred years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I find it interesting that over this period of time with just ten thousand souls that the ethnicities of many of the characters have remained so clear while in the show there are many biracial couples, one would think that a new truly biracial ethnicity would exist in the maintenance of ethnic diversity part.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is the maintenance of ethnic diversity part of what the population control has tried to achieve?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe, maybe, but I mean, there's also just a practicality of, you know, you've got a cast, you've got a cast actors.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you probably don't want, you probably don't want to add that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You probably don't want to add too many stipulations around that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But possibly, there are possibly, there's a plot reason for it as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I guess, I don't know, three.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be interested to hear from people, three hundred years, is that enough to, and it's obviously not that everyone is a biracial couple, but certainly that happens a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure how much that would change.
[SPEAKER_01]: Three hundred years sounds like a lot, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's how many generations.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's a good number of generations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: If anyone has any more thoughts on that, please do write in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Alicia and Luke.
[SPEAKER_01]: James J. Laskin, PT PhD.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carlos, twenty five says, hello, I love the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just started watching silo about two weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: My wife and I binge the whole show quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I discovered your podcast from the rating score on Apple.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I see rating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Leave a rating.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you leave a nice rating for us, it really helps.
[SPEAKER_01]: Carlos says, we have never heard of the books and had not researched anything online.
[SPEAKER_01]: We promised we are non-book readers.
[SPEAKER_01]: My wife had a theory though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Playing in simple, it's adult inside out, so inside out referring to the animated film.
[SPEAKER_01]: Meaning, these silos are thoughts of a human being or the inner working of a human body.
[SPEAKER_01]: The opening title video shows a silo with a spine overlapped.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had figured before the latest episode that silo eighteen represented the year of the Pisson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thus they're having freedom day since you become adult at age eighteen.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other silo had founders day because they still live with their parents.
[SPEAKER_01]: The porters can represent thoughts or nerves or blood cycling throughout the body.
[SPEAKER_01]: Judicial is common sense and IT, well, it's troubleshooting and knowledge stored.
[SPEAKER_01]: The relics that had been in they quote unquote wild and found were all relics that a young person would use or know about such as pez, frisbee, book of Georgia, camcorder, watch, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a working theory, having fun guessing what's gonna happen next.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't follow the other podcast that talks about the book, so hopefully you can let me know either way if we have guessed or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what do you think, Luke?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't agree with a theory, but if it turned out to be true, I wouldn't be disappointed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the theory.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to confirm or deny anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the theory.
[SPEAKER_01]: They definitely are suggesting at least a metaphorical similarity between the silo and a human body in the opening.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the imagination behind some of these theories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's a great one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to hear more.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to hear how this theory develops for you over the next season, especially.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and Lucky knows seven on Beast Blue Sky.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the last of silo feedback, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Says, not sure if this is a new idea such joke or if I'm coming up with something others have already expressed, but I want to see a game called The Sims where you control Robert Sims and his family and they all have that crystal.
[SPEAKER_01]: The internet tells me it's called a plumbob over their heads.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we want to see Jean play that game and he's just going to have the walk repeatedly into the walls.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it, I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we also got one bit of feedback from Sophie YB about a Christmas Carol.
[SPEAKER_01]: She says, I remain firmly in the Muppet's Christmas Carol camp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the lamp, not the rat.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I agree it's largely about nostalgia.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember my little brother hiding behind a cushion with embarrassment during the love has gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Soung, scrooged for me falls into the same category as high fidelity.
[SPEAKER_01]: as something that seemed legendary at the time, but as an adult modern-day rewatch seems like misogynistic dribble.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll definitely be watching it's Christmas Carol next year because a. Carrie Fisher B. Epic pun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's like she's out like a misogynist, but I so disagree with you about, I'll have it, I'll let you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've rewatched high fidelity recently and I do think it stands up, but it was it's a bit more misogynistic than I remember, but it is also like the point is
[SPEAKER_01]: My biggest problem with it, but like thing that made me make me uncomfortable watching it is I think of John Q. sack is always playing you know like Lloyd dobbler from say anything you know these good guys and this character is meant to be an asshole like he is an unapologetic asshole who has maybe a slight reform by the end but for most of the movie he is a total jackass
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you watch the TV series where they joined the theater?
[SPEAKER_02]: I did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was quite interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I like that I was by the end of the season because they were obviously, you know, they were going their own direction with it too and like they added another character that added another wrinkle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the end of the season, I was really wishing that there were more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that they continued it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, for me, yeah, Scrooge, which is the mess, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was just how it was last.
[SPEAKER_01]: This, yeah, Christmas Carol for a Carrie Fisher in the Epic Fund.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do recommend a Davis Christmas Carol, the original one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: If only because of the, the, um, behind music.
[SPEAKER_01]: The VH one, uh, Ghost of Christmas Future, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking ahead, Ken Walsh says, hello, finally got to finish season two, loved that the last episode and came and I've come around on Walker from Book to TV character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also not that hung up, but also not that hung up, but prefer Book Solo slash Jimmy, but can't let kids go.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least became one of my favorite book characters, loved and at least is the one that I think they've aged up and are calling hope now.
[SPEAKER_01]: loved everything about her, and as it could have been, residency bias.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as I said, it could have been residency bias.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went back and looked at episodes and still didn't like the massive changes for the kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: After listening to the recent interview with Sal Chayeros, I understand why the change and take out certain things, but not having a slightly older version of Elise really bugged me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe hope can become that character, but we'll have to wait and see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Still loving silo also love all my favorite books become films or TV shows and succeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks again for all Luke every in yourself do to make the watching experience better.
[SPEAKER_01]: PS absolutely loved your nose for a to a lower on that podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do the works we don't have to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cheers Ken.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, on the lower-hounds feed there's a recent episode about nose for a to which is a special pet interest of mine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I went on a drop to nose for a to primer on the films that came before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And thank you, Ken.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I know Elise is one of the ones she's such a cute character in the show, but she's I mean in the books, but she's eight years old, so I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they have Benny there as the requisite eight year old, but like he's doing as much as he can, you know, he's hanging out after you already got pointed out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the last episode, there's a child like welfare issue that there's something so wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: that drive us work and there's only so many lines that they can reasonably be expected to come into memory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's why the age won't kiness him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know some people wish they just kept that character's name at least them, but maybe they're like, oh, well, people will think it's not at least because of the age and whatever other story changes are coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what they will say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph Lalo says, uh, yeah, it starts with compliments again.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are being blessed with compliments today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it says, I started listening to your post show recaps for the way you spoke about the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe so intrigued that I've just met my summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in Australia reading the entire series.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, and for the team and the team for such thoughtful and gazing podcasting, I'm really looking forward to hearing your season finale shows best Joseph.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I just, yeah, if you are listeners at home, if you're picking up the books after this season, I definitely want to hear your reader thoughts as you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, please do share them on discord, blue sky, or send them to wolveshipdustpodcast at gmail.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, speaking of blue sky, Stuart Elder pointed out to me on blue sky that I'd been making a mistake.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Rick Gomez played George Laws in Bunder Brothers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not gone here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he also pointed out that the sheriff in Silo Seventeen is the actor that played Joe Lead got in Bunder Brothers as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a strong bond of brothers collection.
[SPEAKER_01]: Connection, bad bond.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's so hard as bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, well, thank you for the correction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still haven't watched it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know who any of these people are, but I did love that there's a character called Gunnaria.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's right, Rick Gunners played George Loss.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, gone in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And our final piece of feedback is from Paul Kent and Paul says, I'm changing my reading plan given that you'll be covering Dune in the book club soon, but where should I start with the books, which I've never read, should I start with the original novel, then read the prequel novels looks like five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, there's
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it depends, so there's a lot of prequel novels, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and then the questions continue as a TV show, do legacy based on the prequel novels.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen the movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, yeah, it says a way to see for a severance, it's completed, it's an image, the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm now tempted to read Dune for the first time in chronological order.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I mad?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen the films a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bought them, which I gather follow the novel quite faithfully.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be interesting, a totally different perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks Paul.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now hope that you guys are in good health.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's so we're going to have two types of doom coverage on the two different feeds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in this public feed, Luke and I are starting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So shortly after this episode comes out, I'm re-issuing the intro episode that we produced last year with a new intro that's going to explain things as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, we are breaking down the first, the original Dune book, the one that started it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Luke and I are going to be discussing it on this feed in five parts, starting with the, we've already recorded the first one and now that we're done with silo, we are turning our attention to Dune for this podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to start with that, like a fairly thorough analysis of the original book because it is the sort of basis for everything else that comes to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would suggest maybe reading the original book first, just as your basis to ground you in this world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we sort of started out with, we're going to do it, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to do it in two episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was three.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was four.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now it's four.
[SPEAKER_01]: It needs all the space.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the last episode is just going to be ranking the most iconic scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone who's read the book and hasn't done so yet, please send in what you think or the three most iconic scenes from the original doing book for our right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The point being Paul is if you start down this road, it's going to take you a little while.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're digging.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, the first book itself, you can read that and then travel along with us as we break it down for weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, so that is set at one point in the timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that original book is the basis for the Lynch movie for the first two Villeneuve movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I would call any of them especially faithful and there's also the sci-fi show and there's Hodorowski's Dune which is documentary about a movie that's never made but it's insane and great and we're gonna talk about that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we are gonna be doing an entire series talking about how these adaptations handle the source material once we've laid the groundwork by talking through that first book.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we'll get into it, obviously, in the series.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the film of movies follow the book as closely as it's possible right given the book.
[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't mean they follow it particularly close.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's had to cut out entire aspects of the world or the US galaxy, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what's going to be going on over the coming months in this feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that whole first, the original book to lay the foundation for everything and then the adaptations they're of and then we're going to
[SPEAKER_01]: after we talk through the adaptations that exist at the first book, we're going to talk about the dude messiah book, which is going to be the basis of Phil Nove's third movie, and we're going to talk about the sci-fi adaptation of that book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Has it been confirmed that that is actually in production?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's at least in pre-production.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, meanwhile, in the book club feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to Abby and I are going to be now that we've wrapped up our silo coverage.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are continuing Hugh, how we book club by talking about his short stories in the machine learning book.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the same short story collection that I think most book club members probably have because it has the three silo short stories in it as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've already talked about those in the book club.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be talking about his other stories one per month.
[SPEAKER_01]: And meanwhile, we're going to be talking about the Dune prequels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when I say prequels in this case, I'm talking about all the way back at the beginning of the timeline, ten thousand years before the original Dune book.
[SPEAKER_01]: is set and it's also that is about a hundred years.
[SPEAKER_01]: It starts about a hundred years before the Dune Legacy TV show on HBO.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, um, I do still recommend starting with the original book because you're going to see, well, Abby and I, in our, as we discussed these, these books, we are also referring back to that original because it does draw on the same things with the same families, the Harkinans, the Trades, the same planets, uh, are coming back in different ways and, uh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is the for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're starting back.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also short stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are two trilogies set during that's point in the timeline.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's the legends of Dune, which is about the machine wars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the Butlerian Jihad.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second one's the machine war and the third one is the Battle of Koran.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next trilogy is the great school's trilogy and that's sisterhood of Dune, men tots of Dune, and navigators of Dune.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that is as far as the books, like then there's like a big ten thousand year gap until we get to some prequels shortly set shortly before the, you know, original novel.
[SPEAKER_01]: But between those.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, ten thousand years ago prequels, there are also short stories which are collected in the in tales of Dune expanded edition.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're actually starting with the first story in the timeline is a short story called hunting parkanins.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, Abby and I actually just recorded that episode and we'll be releasing it soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that that clears things up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but please let me know if anyone else has any more questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, and that that is our feedback.
[SPEAKER_01]: Luke, do you have final thoughts on the season?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, you've squeezed this lemon comprehensively dry once again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm definitely going to miss silo, but I'm also, it's been like all immersive.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm excited for doing project to begin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're going to miss something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, another massive scrolling universe with heartbreaking political intrigue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you everyone so much for sending in your feedback.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've made it like a really lively and fun discussion and given us a lot to think about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry if I missed anyone's feedback, there's been a lot of discussion going on on discord and other media.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to make sure that you, uh, your thoughts are covered in a future episode, please do email them to woolshiftospodcast at gmail.com and you'll find that link in the show notes and
[SPEAKER_01]: as Paul said a good example earlier, this episode voicemails are encouraged if you feel up to the task.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do also of course come chat with us on discord and blue sky.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'll find those links in the show notes as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: The final spoiler cast of the season is my discussion with Abbey is for spoiler cast, ten B because there were two spoiler cast for the finale.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this one is Daniel and Helen, so it's about the book version of
[SPEAKER_01]: those two characters that we saw in the finale final scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about the past present in future story of those two characters and what we learned from that scene in the TV show that we think will change that story and how.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to welcome new stylisms and stories in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you to new stylisms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Emily R. Purple Nova.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sarah Collie S. Kayla H. Rob S.
[SPEAKER_01]: Peter O'H.
[SPEAKER_01]: Matt S. Chi Hansiakup and Yulia Yans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And thank you to new stories in Jeffrey B. And stories in our silence and so silent.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you join through supercast, then you can become a silence in which is the same benefits as Patreon but cheaper.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then you can, there's also a stories in level which combines the book club feed with also the Canon Patawan feed, which is the extra feed for my Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as I said, next in the book club is going to be a machine learning.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first story in Hugh Howe's collection and the Doom prequel stories and novels.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course there is if you're not interested in like the the doon or the other how we book club stuff or our holiday stuff then you can just get silo season passes you'll find links in the show notes and you just get access to the silo episodes for a one time fee you can choose which version of that you would want and just yeah even if if you're not a subscriber we are just so glad to have you in the community overall we're so glad to have you sending your thoughts or just lending us your ears
[SPEAKER_01]: whatever the case may be.
[SPEAKER_01]: And thank you especially to those of you who have recommended us to friends or left kind of views.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've definitely been seeing positive results from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hugely helpful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: We greatly appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, looking forward to keeping the party going through doing, as I said.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Laura Hound's feed, meanwhile, there's just released a Marvel MCU, twenty twenty five preview with the nine projects coming out this year and what to look forward to in each.
[SPEAKER_01]: John and I are also putting out a creature commando episode and then look for that feed also the next sale marillion stories and I'm starting my Oscar prep series right now so Oscar season is well I was gonna say it's nice but it's here we are in Oscar season the nominations are out and I am
[SPEAKER_01]: watching all those movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the story about the Mexican spoof.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are doing a special discussion of I'm talking to some Mexican and trans friends about what
[SPEAKER_01]: the whole backlash against that movie is about where it's coming from.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll explain it to those of you who don't know, but yeah, they did the Mexico responded to this all French film that's about Mexican stereotypes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They made an all Spanish film about French stereotypes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I began to rent Maria Corsonte, which is
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's called Johanna Sakura Blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: The name makes it that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but do also by the way, Star Trek fans check out David's live cast with the captain's pod about that new Star Trek movie with Michelleio and you can find that in the captain's pod feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: do also explore the links in the show notes to see the other podcasts in the network properly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Howard, I think they're getting toward the end of their few good film series.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast, of course, with me, radioactive rambling.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just finished up the first red rising book and they're doing studio jibbly films.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never mind the music is psychology and music and, of course, there is a separate
[SPEAKER_01]: severance feeds so you can search you can click the link in the show notes or you can search for a severance lower hounds there's also a preview episode in this feed if you want to check that out there's actually a preview episode from season one but there's also a preview episode now from season two and Luke what's up with it could be said so obviously that's taking a little break while I've on my health issues but I think we're recording the next episode of that this coming weekend so that would be
[SPEAKER_02]: the first or second February.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's all we wrote.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thank you Luke for being my co-host this season through sickness and health.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I say, thank you everybody for the very kind messages.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I didn't respond to you, I respond to as many as I could.
[SPEAKER_02]: But thank you for the very kind messages.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really very much appreciated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we got a jet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got our thumper in the sand calling our ride.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shah Haloud.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shah Haloud is coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you on the Arakine stands for Dune and with all the explanations of what those words mean.