[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Talking Shit, where we are talking all sorts of shit, shit's Greek that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today we are talking about season five episode thirteen the hike.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as always, I am joined by someone who most certainly wasn't predicted to die in a boating accident.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steward how are you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Vlad not to die in a voting accent or be even predicted to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the accents are all too common.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just avoid boats altogether.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just avoid the water.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just stay home, on land and be safe.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fun and island.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty big island.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're not alone today, Stewart.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're joined by someone who will never stop watching Notting Hill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trish, Trish, how are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is actually very, very true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty certain.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just Googling it real quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sarah and I covered Notting Hill over on shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ninety shows taught me once upon a time because it was filmed in the nineties.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she had seen it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had never seen it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched it for
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if I remember correctly, I wasn't the biggest.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was kind of boring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I think it's one of those things where like, it's a movie that if you have nostalgia for, it's probably really great.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you don't have nostalgia for, it's kind of like, eh, so yeah, the people that live that have started painting all of their houses like black to because tourists just go there because it's so pretty and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they take like Instagram posts.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they've just talked to people to turn people and like to get them away.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the pettiness of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like living in like a tourist hotspot either.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just brand those, just taking Instagram sounds like you're doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, please, I'm just trying to like, like, a delivery.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like leave me alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, today we're talking about a pretty infamous episode of Shits Creek, if not an infamous moment in Shits Creek.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Trish, I'll go to you first.
[SPEAKER_01]: You requested this episode, and I'm fairly certain it is solely for the proposal, but tell us why you chose this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because there's so many moments in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just, although as a significant as the hike is and the proposal, I think there's an awful lot of other moments in it because I mean, Johnny has his health scare and Alexis and
[SPEAKER_00]: head and their sort of funny sort of communication where they are sort of explaining it to each other, but there's always this sort of like underlying thing of like, hmm, this is actually going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just, I think it's setting up quite a lot of things for future episodes as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's even sort of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you usually find conclusions at the end of a season, but they feel like this one's actually going, no, we've got another season coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is all stuff set up for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's just a really nice sort of transitional, almost setting up of things as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I think it's quite funny as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is a really great pedal to my episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're really like barreling towards the end of this season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stuart, what did you think of this one?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was really great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Solid ABC plot, like it's nice to have the three again and not just have the kind of like to jump between.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I completely agree with Trish.
[SPEAKER_02]: This felt like there was a lot of setting up going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't imagine this is like this is when they kind of know they're on to like a big hit, like I think it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, it's already.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been on Netflix for a few seasons now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think by like season three or four, it was on Netflix.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're already like, because they were like popular in Canada, but then once it came to Netflix, they really do up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely at this point, they're really popular.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so they're going into the writing with the competence of knowing that they've got another season coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I imagine they're probably in the back of their mind going yet, the final season next season.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we need to kind of make sure that hits properly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they're doing it in the right way.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're making sure that everything is, we're not thrown with like the last minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we've got a wrap everything up storyline.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they're kind of like slowly seeing us into a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: I am still a little jarred by what I think has got coming with Ted and Alexis and what they're trying to layering there, which I don't want to approach.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'd rather they didn't go down that route if I'm right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, David and Patrick, I will come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just, it's just so adorable.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots such a lovely like whole scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of stressful in the build-up to it though, I will say, in that if I were
[SPEAKER_02]: David, I would be quite as I rate as David was.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if I was Patrick, I'd also be quite like anxious and a little neurotic like Patrick was in that moment as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I kind of felt like I was identifying with the pair of them at one moment despite the fact that they were diametrically opposed in the whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I don't like the whole time I was there watching it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a great one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even on the rewatch.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll nearly sometimes I rewatch these episodes and I go, okay, I'm just like kind of rewatching it so I kind of retain all the quotes and jokes and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even then some bit just doesn't go into the old nugget.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this one I was like really excited to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of watched it with a big smile on my face.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's give a quick little recap in case people didn't re-watch this episode, which like you should, because it's adorable.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's give a quick recap.
[SPEAKER_01]: David and Patrick are engaged.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not beat around the bush.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what we're going to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Patrick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, no, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at your notes right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are so many more A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these A's and these
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was very funny to me because, you know, the chapters were written by like in a first person perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at times the character would either think things or say things and the writer had it in all caps.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've never felt more seen in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there really do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I express myself in an all caps capacity, like, eighty percent of the time, if not more.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, read that book.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're engaged, Patrick forced David to hike for it, but when he got down on one knee, it told the story of him hiking the same trail.
[SPEAKER_01]: What caused him bleeding his feelings for David?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so worth it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even with the puncture wound to his foot, that hopefully will heal in time, heal, and time for cavalry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, Alexis and Ted are prepping for their move to the Galapagos Islands, including getting vaccines, taking malaria pills,
[SPEAKER_01]: and getting a tarot card reading for Toila that predicts their imminent death via boating disaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's totally fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one's worried it's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Johnny and Moira have a bit of a scare when they think that Johnny might be having a heart attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: But after fretting at the hospital with Roland and Stevie, it turns out Johnny just had a really bad case of heartburn.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're all extremely relieved.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stuart, that's our episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when you watched this episode for the first time, you were very upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were like, they better not be doing anything to Johnny.
[SPEAKER_01]: They better not do anything to Johnny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to express that privately and I was hoping it would stay that way so the audience wouldn't know that I actually do have a real, like, strong affection for Johnny now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I've got the maintainer reputation here, Jess.
[SPEAKER_02]: So thanks for like completely outing that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I was really concerned for him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they made like, it could have been really serious.
[SPEAKER_02]: At the moment we got to the hospital, I was like, I feel like we're in safe hands with the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, I don't even want them dangling the threat of something happening to Johnny like around.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, there was really sweet to see like how that everyone reacted like Stevie tearing up at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the reason that's that's yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's the reason that storyline works so well for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But be honest, there are funny moments too, but like the way Stevie reacts.
[SPEAKER_01]: feels like extra special because Trish, we've talked about like the building of the bond between Johnny and Stevie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's one of the strong points of the back half of seasons is getting to see this relationship be built because we've talked a lot about David and Stevie, but once we kind of, not transition because there still is David and Stevie, but like we get an extra pairing matched with Stevie.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so works for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he really feels like a surrogate father to her.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she can say it's like solely because of the motel and like what what I do, but I think we all are aware that like it is way more than that at this point and everyone's reactions feel so true to who those characters are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, I think, especially for Stevie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels more like she's one of the family now, rather than just someone it works for them or works with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she's a sister to David and she's a sister to Alexis, and she is the daughter to Johnny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Myra may be not so much of a closer bond, but, you know, she's just a family.
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't even have Alexis's phone number in her phone.
[SPEAKER_00]: These things are like, oh, damn.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was one of the best callback jokes I thought.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was so funny, but also so outrageous.
[SPEAKER_02]: The way she says, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a good idea to try calling Alexa.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like it didn't even dawn on her to attempt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Stevie is, well, I noticed this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't noticed it before.
[SPEAKER_00]: She still calls the Mr. Emissive Rose.
[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't give them, she doesn't say Johnny and she doesn't say Moira.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that kind of reminds me of like, Harry with Mr. Emissive Weasley.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that kind of connection of bond of like, parents you didn't have.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like your best friends parents.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But like in the same way that they're like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Almost like second parents are like ant and on goal to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just that such a close connection on a feel like she was the one at note is Johnny looking under the weather first and she was definitely the one it was like the most concerned about it and like no, no, no, no, we have to sort this out, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, Roland has ever given this is comments of like, oh, well, my friend, you know, was like this and he died of heart attack is like, well, that's not going to help any Mars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it Roland?
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: At least it got them to the hospital because I think it maybe if you hadn't mentioned that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think everyone starts panicking when he talks about like his hands like going a little numb because obviously like your arm going numb your hand going numb is very much like a thing associated with heart attacks or heart events.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so everyone starts to panic a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stirred it's really funny because I've seen this episode a few times, but I always forget exactly what it is that this ailment is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I remember it's not a heart attack, but I couldn't remember that it was heartburn.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in my head at first, I'm like, oh, this feels like a panic attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least feels like a panic attack or an anxiety attack because I've also heard of people's hands kind of going numb in those sorts of situations.
[SPEAKER_01]: But heartburn is twenty times funnier because
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the first time I got heartburn.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, I was, I just, I swear to God, this, I think I was a way for the weekend for my thirtieth birthday, which is even funnier.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I had like one, two, many hard ciders I think it was, the night before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the next day, I was like, I think I'm dying.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like someone had lit a fire in my chest.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I did not understand what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just heartburn.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can understand how he ends up at the hospital for heartburn.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, severe heart, but maybe I could understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you think you didn't have severe heartburn, Stuart.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, we you given a serious antacids like we, you given like medically great antacids.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have tons.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have tons over there, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: We used to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think they're allowed anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they allowed?
[SPEAKER_02]: I've really got like red number faulty and that's something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably just poisoning myself slowly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember them definitely be mentioned when I was a when I was younger that it was like you saw the adverts for terms because it was the funny ad for the like Tom to Tom Tom Tom Tom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, oh my you just unlock something in my brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, Tom Tom Tom Tom Tom's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: They've not been around for a while now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they just do.
[SPEAKER_01]: You all have the thing that you are like a almost like an Alka Seltzer where you like put like a powdery stuff in like a liquid and that's what you think is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was Alka Seltzer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alka Seltzer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alka Seltzer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a little bit of a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure old people, but
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think everyone's reactions here like Moira, I love Moira's reaction because while it is like so over the top and like basically begging for attention to be on her, it's so clear that she is like so so scared for Johnny and like loves him so much that like, you know, she can't think of anything else except for maybe folding the pamphlets for the plague.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she's like, she's really scared, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's very sweet.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's skin off.
[SPEAKER_02]: She'd like take stock of it and like, here's the horror stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, before that, like, she's shouting at him because apparently the seating plan like pinboard is a rental, which is so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you worry, did she rent this from?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a typical Moira reaction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, she's going to make things kind of snowball.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be like the worst possible case scenario that it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so like when she's concerned, like it's weird how Moira can pull focus, but also be just
[SPEAKER_02]: in dearingly lovely with it because like the reason why she's being so overwhelmed because she loves him so much and like she really I think in that moment like decades she's jumping to like wild conclusions but like she I imagine if this was real like she would genuinely be so lost without Johnny and like desperately need him and so I feel like her or narrowly I'd like
[SPEAKER_02]: point fun and wear and say that her reactions are unwanted.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I kind of think in this one, I'm going to give her a pass because I feel like yeah, scream and shout if you are that worried about losing him, probably don't scream at him while he sat down.
[SPEAKER_01]: John, can you hear me, John?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably not the best method.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been situations like this where people have panic because obviously someone they care about is like hell or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's always the person that's like
[SPEAKER_02]: that's not afflicted, who is the calmest one in the room, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're always the one that they're like, I think we just start fussing, but it's like, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love the fact that like, it's not just more of this, I'm thinking like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can get like stevia's genuinely concerned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even rodents is a little bit like sent by the end of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and they're like offering to help at least.
[SPEAKER_02]: But stevia really came across as like,
[SPEAKER_02]: the adopted kid or like you say like the she she really does feel like part of family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's added to but the fact that like she sat like cross leg is folding like little cheat like brochures on the thing she's kind of like got a bit of like almost like child like quality to her at that moment and especially like then in the hospital she's got like the legs up like to her chest like kind of like very kind of like small and tiny and how much does a really good job at like kind of
[SPEAKER_02]: making her seem quite I guess in that whole relationship quite child like well also language wise still being like well he's my business partner kind of thing and he's like my friend and I kind of think I think that's I thought that was really well navigated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think because with Stevie as well, there's a vulnerability that she sort of shows herself with this family.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you think back to when we first met her and she was very sort of like the were walls up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't really get much from her and she was very standoffish.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think you've you've slowly sort of seen that she's just these break downs of all her guards have gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's let Johnny in to her little inside her walls now so it's kind of like this thought of like what if something happens to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she was still trying to I think the thing when she mentioned about the money was her trying to say like I don't it's it's only because of business.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really care that much but I think we all know that it's that's not true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's definitely one of those things that you kind of say to kind of, yeah, don't look at me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not getting emotional kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to the fair with a joke, which Steve does so, so well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're also following that up with a genuine thing of concern as well afterwards, and they explained that away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was really
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's it's very sweet because I love seeing this like child like quality in Stevie and how much she cares and how she's the one folding these pamphlets when Moira.
[SPEAKER_01]: attempts to like try to get Alexis and David to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So of course, it ends up on Steve's plate.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I really love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like very much played for laughs, but Moira saying like, you know, I'm so distracted by this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to know that you're the most important thing in this world to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I include Caroline and that and I've had that week for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really, really sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the one person that I will say, because I think Moira's kind of panic and spiraling really works for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really in character, CDs, quiet panic and like she's trying to be strong and trying to be like
[SPEAKER_01]: look on the bright side, everything will be fine, but she's still really scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: That works for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Roland is in typical Roland fashion, but like also if I am of a loved one of a person who's in the hospital and Roland is next to me being like
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if he makes it, like, I would literally murder him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, good thing we'd be at a hospital because I'd stab him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I truly, I can't think of a less helpful thing than offering a person who might be having a heart attack and energy drink.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, I, and I know, that's the joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get it, but I cannot stand roll in this episode because it actually pisses me off the edge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should try to, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I, I, I,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's like he's nervous.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of living machine because he's worried.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think there's kind of like sweet that, okay, not everyone is going to manifest grief and concern in a productive or healthy way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like more a shout and like gets in this face.
[SPEAKER_02]: Roland gets nervous and goes to the living machine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think both energies are really the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm going to excuse Roland here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to give him a kiss as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's usually not a good sign.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's helping with that?
[SPEAKER_02]: No one.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not helping anyone with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he's genuinely worried.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it comes from a place of genuinely concerned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just feel like there are people.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you have your his buddy, but like you're in the same room as his wife, like I just feel like your job is to be
[SPEAKER_01]: The cooler heads prevail, you know, like you can't have multiple hysterical people that it's not going to be product someone needs to be an I guess Stevie takes on this role, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Trish like someone needs to be the steady
[SPEAKER_01]: calm force in that's steady, but roll and just piss me off to such a degree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like I can.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, because I imagine myself being a Moira and just like hearing that, what, and I would have to go into the hospital because I'd be having a full blown panic attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are you talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna die.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Roland's method of coping in a situation was to not have the thoughts and things in his head that he was thinking and have to blurp them out and share them with people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's an oversharer and I think in this situation he needs to learn to like button these lip a little bit and just not share because it's not helping anyone but I think it was definitely his
[SPEAKER_00]: his way of coping in a way or trying to make light of it and also he's he's the comic relief and something and for the show as well I think he's he's playing that large part as well of the fact that in real life of course you would just tell them to get away like get the F.I.
[SPEAKER_00]: and just come back and we'll we'll text you and like you know why don't you go look after the motel rule and yeah all managing the motel
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're taking one of this truck as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, Moira's in no fit state to drive, so they can't take that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he drove because Johnny drives slowly.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was something that got me as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that Moira was like, oh, Johnny, Johnny drives slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we shouldn't let Johnny drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not because he's having a maybe hard attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this storyline works for me, though, just because I think like it is something that happens to a lot of people where, you know, you could mistake.
[SPEAKER_01]: very easily certain ailments for a heart event or something like that, especially if you're an older man, I think that that's a very common thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so getting to see everyone's reactions to it, I'll be it while they're pretty funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there are some very heartwarming moments as a result of this storyline, so I really do like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like that they don't
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't let us linger too long on like the what ifs and like is he sick?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is something happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: It like resolves itself very quickly, which I also appreciated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else on Johnny and Moira before we hop over to Alexis and Ted's prep for the Galapagos?
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked that even after like we get the assurance that Johnny's came, that he's fine with it, so I put it on there and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they do poke fun, Johnny, at the end as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit for the help condition, but also for him just rambling on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the doctor just being like, you, boy, is like, we don't need to, you don't need to bother them anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've done their work.
[SPEAKER_02]: And something else I noticed is that the travel magazine that Ted was reading was being read by someone in the waiting room behind Moira and the whole journey away thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like in this, well, I'm not too sure if it's like, oh, we're trying to build a like shit-screate universe of like lore of things that going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think they're just reusing props because they call this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's good probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk about Alexis and Ted's preparations.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alexis looks very put out most of this episode when hearing about like the bugs spray and she's like, oh, you got scuba gear, but like I don't actually go in the water.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just sit on the beach and look cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's having to take vaccines, malaria pills.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like she is starting to get very nervous steward at like the actual
[SPEAKER_01]: logical, like, you know, semantics of this trip that she was able to kind of overlook when they were in the like just theorizing stages.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now it's becoming very real.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when she was wrapped up in the whole moment, like even when Taylor was trying to explain some of the fun details and after she agreed to go, she was like, just made this decision ten minutes ago, like, don't kind of push it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, now it's beginning to be a bit pushed because she's realizing the kind of like, gravity of all situation, not the edge these, that kind of big, but deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there are many countries where you have to get shots before you go out there because of like different diseases that are available and things like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm actually
[SPEAKER_02]: This is probably come up in Alexis's life before, but she's probably just hand-wave them and ignored them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I imagine that she's probably got a private jet and avoided security already, unlike border checks or anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's probably been smuggled through a few borders to avoid some of these as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's probably just how having to face a bit of border-based bureaucracy for the first time in her life.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so strange that this is the stuff that she's beginning to worry about and we come to find out that obviously it is
[SPEAKER_02]: a big deal for other reasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not just the travel, like it is the big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like yeah, I can't even fish out the water with everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just lending her to just realize this is very distant.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to be worried about other people.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is this strange feeling?
[SPEAKER_02]: That was such a great way of working it in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like having that the territory with twilight was a good way to get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love where we did the ride with it because it was just such a
[SPEAKER_02]: an essential moment for our Lexus to have like further emotional growth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we've seen how have like such great growth elsewhere, but like having emotional growth is one of my favorite things to see with the Lexus and this for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, this is what this is exactly why I need out of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was really kind of what about you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Alexis anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think especially after she does her college and she sort of gets rid of all the mutts situation and all that and she sort of gets past that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she just become just goes from strength to strength, just the awakening of our own self and our own self worth.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's very, very important to see sort of her realizing that herself that I think
[SPEAKER_00]: When she was a rich kid, I don't think she really thought very much of herself at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she just always was just relied on other people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think her realizing that she can stand on her own two feet has been such a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this sort of another growth of the fact that she actually is emotionally connected to her family now, that she maybe wasn't before.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think is a great thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way that she says about Johnny is like, my mom and David sort of gang up on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sometimes he's only friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like, you can see that as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just think, yeah, what is Johnny going to do without his sidekick back and up?
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the idea that because we've talked a lot about we get these little tidbits, these little one-liner stories of Alexis's travels prior to coming to Shitt's Creek and she went everywhere all over the world a lot of times alone and never once had a care about like what was going on with her family right we even if we're going way, way, way back in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: When David talks about he was always the warrior.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was always the one who had to like get Alexis a new passport because she lost hers and he was always afraid of what was happening to her.
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't have a care in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is such a point of emotional growth and like it's so earned.
[SPEAKER_01]: that now we're at the point where she's like, she can't, she knows she's feeling things.
[SPEAKER_01]: She can't always identify exactly what she's feeling, but I find that to be so just genuine and the curiosity that she has about her emotions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I find it so touching like that she is expressing like a home sickness or like, you know, a scared
[SPEAKER_01]: a bit of herself to leave her family, that is such a normal feeling to have, but she's just never had it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so sweet and endearing that she's like trying to pinpoint exactly what it is, and she feels like it's a weird emotion to feel, because she's never felt it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so, so sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love the mechanism of having the taro cards, the reading from Twilight, be this avenue where Alexis can actually voice some of her concerns, because
[SPEAKER_01]: These were all things that I think have been bubbling under the surface, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like every time something gets added on like, oh, and now you have to take malaria pills and now you have to go get ten shots.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we have to worry about applying bug spray because we can't sleep under mosquito nets because they might catch fire and will die.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like every time something gets added on, it's like more and more and more water into a boiling pot and like it's going to boil over.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the taro car reading that that did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's something that she is way more likely to believe in than Ted and even if she didn't, I could see her using this as like, oh, but the taro cards they said we're going to die like we can't go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I just, this is why this show is so incredible because we are pointing out characters like Stevie and Moira and Alexis this episode and this emotional journey they've all been on and how we're in the penultimate season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we are in the penultimate episode of the penultimate season of this show and we are still getting small growth moments that if they had occurred in like season two
[SPEAKER_01]: would not have felt anywhere near is earned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we spent so much time with these characters and it just feels like it took time for them to get to where they are, but that makes sense because that's how people operate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you wouldn't have a change overnight, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I just, I love this storyline as much as it's like, Stuart, I know you have that like pit in your stomach of like, oh no, like, what's going to happen?
[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to be sad to the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's a bit of an instant because I think I see what they're possibly going to throw down the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I hope that it's handled in the way in which I imagine it might get handled if it does come up that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't take away from the fact that this is the incredibly sweet thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is certainly say it is so incredibly earned.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you wouldn't be able to have a scene like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be quite a smaller, subtle little nod to character growth, but also hit very hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless we've had the kind of like, the many conversations, I say many, like, the two or so conversations that Alexis and David have had in the card together where they've like, see each other for the first time really and like, like, finally articulated that to each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you wouldn't have got that if she wasn't forced to spend time and to observe how David and Moira can sometimes gang up on Johnny when like and be the divas around him when Johnny is like the guy that's just trying to hold things together.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think she would never recognize that if she wasn't kind of like forced to.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it coming now fits perfectly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, the way in which it
[SPEAKER_02]: is done through the tarry card readings, because it's the only thing that Ted Han logically explained, because like malaria pills, they're preventative, they're mistreating that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it might sell on fire, can't they?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's constantly kind of climbing up with very kind of logical answers and settling those fears.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what he's doing is he's kind of like tacked over those answers, but really the tarry card table to kind of just express what it is just a way for how to kind of say, well, I've always had this nagging feeling and because he can't explain the tarry thing to away, so it forces her to then express what the true thing is and like cops to elect us to like
[SPEAKER_02]: see that and to recognize it and to say, yeah, okay, it's not up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't actually think we're going to drown because of a towering heart breathing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've just had this nagging feeling and this forces me to kind of like explore that and the way in which she describes it and it's just I will physically be there because I will be thinking about them here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so simple.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like, yeah, that's missing people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really still.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that she kind of is one of the getting there.
[SPEAKER_02]: It'd be nice to see how far she can, like, grow beyond this as well, like, and to know that that is just the emotion of missing people and to accept that maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, part of me is into you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like
[SPEAKER_02]: And then what I'm expecting is perhaps we might have a Ted goes away.
[SPEAKER_02]: She stays kind of thing, but also I don't necessarily want her to be shackled to her family.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I still want her to have some independence.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I'm kind of like a bit weary of everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also change because like I double these change I'm quite happy with how things are at the moment like everyone seems relatively happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want that to kind of be disrupted at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I kind of feel like you have to because you need a bit of drama when it comes to the last season that I've mentioned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and one of the other things I do love about this, the storyline for as sweet as it is, and as emotional as it is, I love that we're getting it through the avenue of Twyla doing tarot card readings, and that she got the tarot deck from her ex-step father or something, who predicted exactly when he was gonna leave his foot this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just to the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying like, oh, when I saw these golden rings, which is perfect because of the stuff we'll talk about next, but also she says, well, or it could just be a beer a beer ring, like it could just be a watermark.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also, what, did you not realize the golden ring?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I just, I just, no, but like also, I'm just thinking, okay, now I'm going to be looking out for like, I have my run that's like, out turned like I, I've,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is going to be like a second part of reference in this part.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be like a trilloni thing, whether like the random, like, yeah, that's come true.
[SPEAKER_02]: Prediction does come true with ways that you don't expect.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now that's all I'm going to be looking out for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because based on what happens with David the Patrick, people dressed in black and the vent, telling that it's not wedding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's going to be a David wedding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: David wedding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's perfect in that and for our season find like wrap up predictions that's that's going in my questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to make it out of that
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and yet again, Drish, I also love that Alexis goes to Twyla for like, just a chat this out, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to like, yeah, bounce ideas off of somebody else.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so healthy to have a person you can confide in if you're struggling with something, especially if it's a relationship and you feel like you can't necessarily talk about it with your partner.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love that she has Twyla, even when
[SPEAKER_01]: They kind of aren't necessarily understanding one another.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, talking circles around each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think toilet is a very
[SPEAKER_00]: good sort of songboard for a lot of people in this and she sort of talks to people in a way where she doesn't judge ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: She just sort of takes them at face value and what they say and then she sort of gives her input because she's got a good aback story I think is Alexis does in her own eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not quite as far flung and traveled but definitely you know experience why she's just there's quite a lot of stories in her back catalogue as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just love the sort of, yeah, that Alexis feels that she has someone that she can go and speak to.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going to get back to the family, because I feel like if she talked to Stevie about it, Stevie would probably talk to David, even if she would be like, don't tell Alexis that I told you this, but it feels like that kind of thing and like Stevie's more of David's friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Alexis needs her own friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Twilight is definitely becoming that more and more.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very, very observation of just how the channels of gossip kind of just do end with twider a bit like twider will hold on to that information.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she goes up and interrupts tower reading with Ronnie and like Alexis just playfully plays with Ronnie's arm.
[SPEAKER_02]: I really just looks at her like
[SPEAKER_02]: So funny, like it speaks to like I like just I think getting really comfortable in shit's creek and like is being kind of like more outward and more accepting of everyone and kind of feels at home which again lends to the whole feeling of the homesickness at the possibility of going away.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's like again like small little
[SPEAKER_02]: actually touches as well as the writing that goes into this that really kind of like shape everything and make it all just really quality like little touches like that I love.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also worth mentioning that like
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, David and Alexis still live together, like they still live in that motel room together, both of them are attached to other partners who both have apartments, and yet they're still with their family.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, we could point that as like, oh, it's a plot mechanism rate is a plot device to have them all on the motel, but I also think there's something to specifically Alexis, I think, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: wanting to stay close to her family, like wanting to, you know, having a hard time leaving the nest if you will.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, David really doesn't like the bathroom situation in Patrick's place.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think like it really speaks to how close they've all become.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one thing that I'm happy we didn't see it because I like how this episode goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would be so curious to see David and Alexis's reactions to finding out that like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there was something going on with Johnny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would have been really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm very, very pleased with their storyline.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wouldn't want to change anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it would have been interesting to get one line or one reaction from each of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think Alexis, at least acknowledging that she cares for Johnny, and it's aware of what I've got to see over the more sometimes, like, hanging up on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is enough to show that she would certainly be incredibly worried.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had this, maybe not to agree with Moira, but I think certainly to a Stevie degree, I've been very upset about the possibility of thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they did a good knot with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think quite rightfully kept David away from all of that, kind of like potential concern in drama because David's got like quite a hefty thing to do with a big milestone in terms of that journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anything else before we shift over to talk about the real meat and cheese of you as well of this episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: The ice packs, geez.
[SPEAKER_01]: The ice pack, geez.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so Patrick and David are going on a hike and like, I love Patrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We know I love Patrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, did he play blue this up?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's what you're kind of in blue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, he more.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like it is a big misstep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe he did it as like, it's just a, be surprising.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I feel like picnic in a hike.
[SPEAKER_01]: aren't mutually exclusive like a picnic you literally could theoretically just like park somewhere walk ten fifteen feet set of a blanket and have a picnic right you go to park you don't have to like if you're going on a full on height
[SPEAKER_01]: where you're going uphill in like woods on a trail with roots and rocks and bugs and all this stuff, I'm dressing very differently for both of those occasions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for someone like David, who like has an outfit for every occasion and probably doesn't have like hiking boots and stuff, I just feel like a little bit of a heads up probably is better.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because David's not known for his outdoorsy skills, Trish.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but do you think he would have gone?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You say, there has to be the reward at the end for David, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was why.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was extremely concerned when I saw him in his shorts and socks with the skin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the strip of skin, because we're like, takes season at the minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, yes, not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have an exposed skin on your legs when you're walking through long grass and potential.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know what kind of area that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's it's fine to walk in shorts.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're in the woods, obviously they're in Canada, but like I imagine if it's the eastern side of Canada, the climate is probably pretty similar to where I live and like Texas has been really bad here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like buggy and general, like not even just like mosquitoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of that stuff totally agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to want to cover
[SPEAKER_01]: all of your limbs.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, obviously it ends up being fine and it's a working out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like Patrick was really playing with fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this was high risk, high reward, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like a, I'm gonna propose while we're like eating dinner at home comfortable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that feels like, okay, she went easy, done.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, I'm gonna do this incredibly romantic gesture, but David's going to hate it up until the moment that I
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just it's very risky steward because Okay, and I don't know if this is an American thing or a worldwide thing like the proposals have become
[SPEAKER_01]: like such a pressurized event in someone's life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they are used to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now there is just so much expectation in proposals of like it has to be grand.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has to like be sentimental, it has to mean something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously it looks different for every couple.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like you're you're really risking getting into an argument right before you propose, which it feels so incredibly risky to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Reminds me of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry to interrupt that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like a tick talk of a woman on a cliff being proposed to and she just you just hear her scream.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wearing sweat pads.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I'm seeing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he's not trying to make ten relaxes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to engage, like, like, early on.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's exactly that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's all because, like, you say there's, like, there is this huge expectation with proposals now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, I think with most milestones now that people do, like, individual parties and, like, all these things that get so overblown, which, I mean, don't really start on actual tenderable parties and pointlessness at those.
[SPEAKER_02]: But,
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, why do you need to set fire to like half a forest to do so?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like why do you have to like social media?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because social media and people like want the likes and things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think
[SPEAKER_02]: Patrick, I think isn't necessarily going for that factor, which I think is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's no cameras, there's no like it's very intimate and private for them and very sentimental to what he is feeling and wants to convey that to David and to kind of like show that kept like even on a big long ass like hike up here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was always thinking about you kind of thing, which is such a lovely sentiment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But still, it's David.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a risk.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it pays off.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he knew he was playing with fire because he didn't raise someone like David.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if someone's yeah, we're going for a picnic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would have the same expectations of David.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the bench and a private English garden, most of because I'm in England, but also like, but there's someone then goes, we're going to hike for like a couple of hours before we get there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like, I'd be like Stevie turning up to the barbecue, but like, I'm hungry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm expecting to be right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he kept talking about the food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was hungry the whole time because you promised him a picnic and now we're at the height of a couple hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but if you tell me we're going to a picnic at noon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, then I will make sure that I'm hungry at noon, not like hours after noon or hours before noon, but noon.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hungry now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're hiking.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a wait to get my cheese.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you kidding?
[SPEAKER_02]: feel like you would hate a British barbecue because they're so many that I've been invited to and like they're like yeah well they'll have a barbecue it'd be like lunchtime and at like six p.m.
[SPEAKER_02]: finally all of everything is ready to eat.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even there anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Six p.m.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was before they even like the bother of like the barbecue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm talking about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean to offend an entire nation, but Americans know how to barbecue.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're grilling, the grill is ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you are grilling, you so many needs you even know what to do with all the salads that aren't actually salads.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a little delicate.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very, very high risk situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be different if Patrick didn't have this association with this hike.
[SPEAKER_01]: I took this hike a lot when I first moved here and I was all alone and I was gathering feelings for you and I didn't know what to do with myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know if I would ever have the courage to act on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so meaningful.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm picking the smallest of nits, it is so meaningful for Patrick.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is not necessarily as meaningful for David.
[SPEAKER_01]: David obviously loves this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It all works out, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like everything ends up being totally fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm Patrick, I'm probably going for a more safe option, like Rosa Pothachary, like you own a business together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is where you did the open mic night.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's where you sang to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also where he's he did the karaoke for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you have a lot of
[SPEAKER_01]: like lovely memories tied to that place that like it makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm also, I'm not David.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think again, everyone puts so much pressure on proposals now and it means something different to everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like I'm much more of the type who's like pick something that's that's like meaningful to us and private.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like not a public proposal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so it's too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's way, way too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this is like
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, it's a very, very risky situation and it's certainly not going well because David is cranky.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's hangry.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't like hiking.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just wants to eat his cheese and Patrick gets stabbed in the foot by a branch.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to like turn around.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love David persisting and insisting that they just finish the hike because it's so easy to just turn around at that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And especially, Trish, David, the non-hiker, the indoor guy,
[SPEAKER_01]: Is carrying Patrick on his back liking?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I'm like that's more dangerous than anything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know exactly what if he hit rock or a little bit of loose stone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's recipe down the cliff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like this moment for Patrick.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really like the fact that he's sharing something that's quite private and special because I think
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as a straight person, I don't really relate as much, but the fact that he was wrestling with his sexuality for quite a long time and that must have been very difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he had a place where he sort of was really wrestling and discovering that and wanting to think about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think giving David letting David into that space with him is sort of, I think was very, very important for Patrick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if they didn't just have the proposal, I think
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was kind of like, should I propose, shouldn't I?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was just at first to just want to share the space and feel the air and see how it was and then he was like, no, no, I really need to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the time to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the disaster sort of gave it the perfect switch to the point when he just sort of like, slid off the rock onto his knee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that just made it like, oh, yeah, oh, this badness.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this perfect little moment for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Patrick did feel like he was wrestling with the decision of whether or not to continue on with his original plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And funnily enough, like I do relate to this ever so slightly because my husband proposed to me on a trip we took and we were in home we were in Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had plans like nothing crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we are very low key people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like he had plans like he wanted to do to a specific place.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he knew we weren't going to that place until like the last day of our trip or the second to last day of our trip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the night before that, we got into quite a bit of an argument.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like it was not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, I don't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I even like propose because like what a bad note, like what a sour spot, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: it was very tricky luckily we had like he didn't promote like the afternoon so like the morning was like pretty fine like we were we were in good spirits it wasn't like we were arguing at that point but like
[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly like a tricky situation like do you propose or like is this risky because well, we were just arguing like this is an exactly like the most romantic of situations, you know, ultimately it was totally fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was a very minor argument now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny and retro.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's very funny looking back on it now at the time it wasn't so funny, but I just think like
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love how this ends up because it's more real this way, Stuart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is such a real situation that could happen, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that said like you said like it's funny in retrospect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I think that in the moment obviously it feels like it's the biggest deals and it's like, oh, it hasn't been perfect and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one cares about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like care about the point of the proposal.
[SPEAKER_02]: You care about the gesture of I want to spend the rest of my life with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't care about like a little quibble beforehand and a little thing that you didn't like forget like what you are maybe you'll remember because of like the points of the day, but like if it were any other day you'd never remember what it was that you even argue about right like it's just and it kind of like just put say it was like kind of in a little frame and it's like that's just what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it speaks to the maturity of the relationship as well, like to give, like, you're willing to compliment and also giving the patch to compliment.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fact that you can have those moments of disagreements and then also say, but no, I would do when I spend the rest of my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that speaks such a profound thing, which I think is just wonderful.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you did it.
[SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, called rigs and like guys, just so.
[SPEAKER_02]: So perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of rude.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Patrick's just weight and lies like, yeah, give me your answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I love the, are you sure in Patrick says easiest decision of my life, like it is, it is so sweet and and to Stewart's point, Trish, it reminds me of like, because again, very much along the same lines of like proposals kind of becoming this like,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, really pressurized thing weddings are very similar.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've always thought in a more grounded way of like it's about the marriage, not the wedding, like who cares?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel very similarly about proposals.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the marriage, not the proposal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yes, you want it to be nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, of course, you want it to be special and memorable.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not about that moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's about what comes after that moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, this is just so perfectly Patrick and David, and I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I especially love that he got him for rings, especially because the camera, like when he opens the box, then he also looks at his own hand that has the silver ones on it, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's just the perfect moment for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, especially, I mean, we see it by weddings and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: My wedding was we just
[SPEAKER_00]: made sure that it was just the people that we knew and our friends and extended family like my husband's got a big family and I have as well and we were just like no they all live quite far away from where we are and it's just an awful lot of hassle to bring them in we'll just have like close family and our friends and everyone said it was one of the best weddings that being to because it was like a party
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't big and we just had a little reception and I just spent the money on everyone enjoying themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's more than like flowers or fancy craft or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my proposal was a bit different.
[SPEAKER_00]: He hadn't planned at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was completely spurred the moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Drunk our work, Chris.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I had to double check in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to double check in the morning if he actually remembered that he proposed to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's unhinged.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, I've only said like you should never propose unless you know the answer is yes, like that is you can never ask the question if you don't know the answer you're gonna get.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so risky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, he good on him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess, but my God, he did kind of, he said, if I did ask you to marry me, what do you think he would say?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was this opening thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how he started the proposal.
[SPEAKER_00]: This wasn't like a conversation before.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the proposal.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the start, the proposal.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like twenty five years later and we're still.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it worked, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Go on in, I guess.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's so wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a bit back to David and Patrick in this special moment for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I just loved it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just so lovely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just, I don't get emotional.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I say, I don't get emotional watching things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get emotional all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one really, really got me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'd say shit's creaked doesn't normally make me emotional, but this one definitely did.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just, yeah, that moment of Patrick.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little moment I can't remember exactly when it is, but you know, Patrick sort of looks away.
[SPEAKER_00]: He looks up at David and he looks away again and it's just that moment of the eye connection and it's just like, that's just these little actor moments that, yeah, the actor does so well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think both of them are just brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: with these characters just so comfortable as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dan Levy's face when they're hugging after he accepts the proposal like him crying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh my God, like my heart just like grows twenty times the size.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just, it's so sweet and you're so right, Trisha.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like these actors just feel like they're so comfortable in these roles.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you really do feel this connection with the characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the relationship is quite simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like on paper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it, it's not complicated.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot of will they won't, they back and forth, like breaking up, getting back together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's very straightforward.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I love about it because it feels way more real than most relationships you see on television like I love an uncomplicated relationship on TV because it's what I
[SPEAKER_01]: enjoy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would hate being a part of a will they won't they?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would hate being a part of something that is so just like unstable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this just feels like so or like we have all just been like waiting for this moment, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Stuart, I know you had said, you kind of saw this coming this episode where you were like Patrick seems upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like why is he so pressed about this whole situation?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to propose?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you kind of saw this coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was kind of like, it's one of those, I know what's coming.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think like the build is the journey like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of it was time posted just with the way in which Patrick was just so like pressed over this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, why do you care so much?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like why are they kind of like setting that up?
[SPEAKER_02]: And it works so well because it kind of changes the whole kind of view of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it becomes this like,
[SPEAKER_02]: do like kind of like a mess of a situation that gets resolved in a lovely way.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get it's very kind of like not upset but like kind of like a little bit kind of thing and that immediately resolves.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you can see like kind of why there's something out for where there's something out.
[SPEAKER_02]: But also like
[SPEAKER_02]: never with any kind of real precariousness to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I never am any stage playing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh, this is it for them and like we don't have to go through the hardships of like this and that you say it's refreshing to have just an uncomplicated relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: An uncomplicated queer relationship as well that explores some of the complexities that it comes with like at least with the tactics that being in the closet partially with his family and like that just not really rocking
[SPEAKER_02]: their relationship at all, like that's really kind of refreshing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, the way in which it's acted between two of the, like, Van Levy's, like, kind of just immediately comes to tears and like kind of, but it isn't overblown as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just very much like I'm very happy and like this feels like genuine in that moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just so well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, the look and the hugs at the end as well, like also just having Patrick
[SPEAKER_02]: Opened, looking just happy, but looking out that same view.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I imagine it's like the view that he imagined that this exact scene is probably what it was in his mind as he's been making this life this whole time.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then that dream comes true in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's very, very tale.
[SPEAKER_02]: And which is why this is so happy and so wonderful to watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love the fact that we get this, because other shows would toy with us, they'd pull up barriers, they'd make it so that there's all the hardship we've got to feel like we really are in a relationship, and it's like we have in the relationship.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've had, we've had this happy moment, because we've seen them grow close together and stuff like that, and it's nice to just have some happy stories.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can't wait to have more happy stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so lovely, it's so good.
[SPEAKER_00]: special moment for David that he mentions he gets a not in hell Patrick gets a not in hell reference in as well for for David to stop watching not in hell day it's not good for our relationship but then he's just a boy standing in front of another boy oh yeah so good it's so funny oh gosh are you ready to get into our our ratings here it's it I mean oh god where it's okay I'll do it
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah because like truly like the simply the best point feels insanely difficult because like Patrick plans this whole proposal right and he and it's so beautiful the story that he tells is so wonderful it's so lovely David despite the fact that he's not an outdoor guy and he like hates hiking he is like no we're gonna finish it he carries Patrick on his back like that it's like so beautiful
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Alexis has like a really lovely growth moment, like Stevie crying at the hospital, like the sheer number of options is unfair to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are we to do, Stuart?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't this why we bring a guest in so that we throw that into the whole class that they have drawn through?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Trish, where do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you going with your simply the best way?
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had actually, you know, the other times I've been on a hadn't really thought about it before, but this time I was like, there's so much I've got to really sort of write it all down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me,
[SPEAKER_00]: Patrick is good, but Patrick gets a bit grumpy when David starts to get a little bit pissy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is something that is just a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's that kind of thing of like, well, fine them, we'll just go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember my dad taking us on hikes and me and my sister weren't not outdoorsy people, even though we live in a country where there's loads of places, you can go and beautiful hikes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, there's so much walking.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me,
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of the fact that he realized that he was being a little bit kind of upset and was upset in Patrick and then changed his mind and was like, no, this is special to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have gone through all this trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to do this and he didn't know what was Patrick was planning at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just thought it was, you know, a nice hike and he's got this lovely chase to eat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you need to eat.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thank for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Second place for me was Stevie.
[SPEAKER_00]: because of how much her sort of openness with the group and the fact that she was so worried about Johnny and she was the one who was insisted, no, we're going to the hospital.
[SPEAKER_00]: She drove from there.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was genuinely worried, but for me it is David.
[SPEAKER_00]: David gets my simply the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: point for David Stewart, where are you going with your point?
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I can possibly direct to someone else's direction up David's because David's got the point, so I feel less guilt.
[SPEAKER_02]: David is up there, like really, really up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: is engaged.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a big achievement, a big moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I've not only been giving these MPP points to comedy moments or good big pivotal moments of their life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like these things as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's a big pivotal moment in his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Steady for just the
[SPEAKER_02]: being that person, I feel like certainly pets are up there as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Alexis had, I feel like a big moment of emotional growth.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so that's what makes this super, super tough.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell you who isn't in the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Floor is not in the running.
[SPEAKER_02]: Roll and start in the running.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that twilight is not in the running.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's twilight is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not in the running.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if we'd leave it down to that run, he's not in the running.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's like the main cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine if Ronnie got a simply the best one?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to come with Heinrich, one liner's deserve it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does not get it for winning a ten dollar like little scratch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scratcher.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's twenty dollars on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: If anything, that's healthy baby baby.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like with everyone that's left, I feel like it's Patrick David or like this for me or Johnny actually in Steady.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh God, that's five.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really struggling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Johnny, but sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I feel like Johnny had like a moment of realizing that how how lucky it is, which I think is a really kind of our moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I guess it's more passive though, is the way I would see John.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the story was revolving around him rather than him being an active part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would admit that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that seen in the end of the movie?
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Johnny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like he has to think when like because like if you walk out into it and into the emergency waiting room and you see people visibly upset because of your well being and realizing how much they love and need you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's kind of like that's just the thing is that you go stroke isn't it right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be really pissed if I was in the hospital and I came out into the waiting room and people weren't devastated.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be pissed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why aren't you more upset?
[SPEAKER_01]: I go to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to be in full mourning at the possibility.
[SPEAKER_01]: You better be wearing a freaking black veil, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why you need David around the old times.
[SPEAKER_01]: That should be dramatic.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm more than and I'm trying to like avoid it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go with my gut.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to go with and it feels it feels wrong to do so because it's really is the price lapse.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I am going to go with the Lexus.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I had a real moment of awareness of our own past dog race, even like Ted had to point out to her, but I feel like yeah, she she had a, I don't know, just not taking the team that she's going to miss them was just really good for me and really hip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so, I'm so pleased with how this turned out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so pleased with how this turned out because it makes my life so much easier.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get to give my point to Patrick, which I did really want to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I totally am with you, Trish.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has a little bit of like a pissy moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, like, coming from someone who is the David in the David and Patrick relationship, like, I do get this.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are times when like, I'm a lot or like, I'm complaining and I'm being the worst and like,
[SPEAKER_01]: being the partner of what you look at at the store, being the partner of someone who.
[SPEAKER_01]: Being the partner of someone who is the worst sometimes isn't easy and like Patrick always has to be the one with the cooler head because David is pretty much never the person with the cooler head.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so reversing that every once in a while is fine and like Patrick freaking out because
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants this hike to have been worth it for David feels very real and like human of him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I really cut him slack in that regard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the thoughtfulness behind their proposal and the fact that he brought like champagne and cheese and like all of David's favorite things and makes a notting Hill reference for him like
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so romantic, it's so perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just love this proposal, so, so, so, so very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so pleased that I get to give my point to Patrick because I was hoping.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I do want to spread the wealth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I do think there are so many characters who should get a point this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Patrick has to be one of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very pleased that I get to be the one to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's move on to our disgruntled Pelican point because, ooh baby, I'll go first because I know immediately, Roland, Roland, Roland, in a crisis, I would never want him near me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Leave now before I chuck this energy drink at your head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, truly, truly, I couldn't stand his behavior this episode and I know that's a bit and I know he's doing it because he hears for Johnny, but he's not helping anything and it's annoying.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: Roland is getting my disgruntled Pelican point, Stuart.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give it some right and right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, no one does know what the Canada is really.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know interesting thing really.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you were a ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I think Twilight makes up for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think she makes up for it when she has her conversation with Lexus.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think there's an argument to be made that like telling someone they're going to drown in a boating accident and you know they're going to be moving to the Galapic as I let's feel like a real bad thing to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's just taking the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't look.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could say anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels like a really kind of not nice thing to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell you, if her prediction turns out to come true in some weird way in season says, and they'll be like, I'm really compact to this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just a reminder of this and be like, I can't blame her for reading the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't lie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, are you going with Roland to her?
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm going with Roland.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was going with joking about giving it to Ronnie for a little scratch-out thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or I don't know, maybe, uh, it was nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has to be Roland.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is a shame, because he was really funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was really funny in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't feel bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about you, Trish?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you want to go with your disgruntled pelican point?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I had a couple of different thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: just the the the parental flashback trauma of your parent suddenly screaming at you from nowhere just sort of like caught me completely on a what it was just that sort of like because it it was such a sudden switch that that was like you shouldn't do that to your children but
[SPEAKER_00]: That caught me a little bit and the fact that she was making Johnny do all this hard work for her and folding the pamphlets as she can't do because of her carpal tunnel from signing checks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the fact that she just steals the cinnamon buns from the motel and so the accent and coffee car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also Ted's sort of just plastering over all the cracks and everything just constantly
[SPEAKER_00]: was a bit of a red flag for me as well of the fact that you're not seeing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're just trying to sort of like gloss over everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're not actually sort of listening to what Alexis is saying, you're just so focused on what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is Roland, after all.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just had to mention the fact that there was a couple of other people, the words exactly the best.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so that's some really good points, especially the things about more like having a parent just give you a job like out the blue on your day off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, yeah, I have a hair with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: My mom screams that shit all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I once went over and I was like, I, I went over booked her a roast and then she had the audacity to go, oh, would you mind clearing out the loft?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, no, go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like, Trish, you let me know what this is incorrect, but I feel like they could get away with it because of the mom guilt, because of the like, I carried you in my womb and raised you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, and not that they say it, but it's almost like implied, you know, like I'm your mother, like you have to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: My mom doesn't get away without any more from me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no, no, you see, I'm a mother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my own.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, no, you can be the cool grandparent now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I suppose, like I catch myself, like in my own moments of like, I've read, because our children are so frustrating about it, just like, at all these moments where you just have to like go into another room and scream sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like that kind of thing that like, not in front of the children.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully this is an easy discussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a feeling it will be to tear rate the episode as usual.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have hot shit full bouquet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Love that journey for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You David and shit out of luck and Stuart.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be very surprised if our discussion does not revolve around where in hot shit this falls rather than if this falls in hot shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: That sounds like really weird sentence to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be hard share.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I want to be too excited.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, maybe you'd love to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one of the best websites ever with the one like the best scenes ever as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Solid ABC plot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they like had a tough storyline.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we've been really positive on all three of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: So automatically it's in the hard share to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think quite high as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I would probably wager
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, it's quite as iconic as a little bit of Alexis.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe just a smidge less.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the question, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Trish, I would say, like Stuart was saying, we love all free storylines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like every single storyline is great.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so then we kind of have to compare, okay, every single storyline in this episode has very lovely heartwarming moments.
[SPEAKER_01]: is every single storyline, just as hilarious, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the hospice has a little bit of Lexus, which is iconically funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: This episode, I think the iconic thing is the proposal, which is heartwarming, not funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's how you wait it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is a couple of Jokey moments, but they're not big Jokey moments.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think definitely the Ronnie Scratch card moment is supposed to be funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: The beer bottle ring is like, it's tiny little giggles rather than like belly laughs.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's just those little moments of levity just like sprinkled in so it's not too sort of emotional yeah but I think yeah it's definitely more of an emotional so it depends on how much you rate if you want something sort of like a more of a heart warming warm fuzzy feeling of an episode or do you want something that
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I love the fact that shit's creaked does that that some episodes you are it is full on full just comedy old way through and other times it just like grabs your heart and just rips out of your chest and just goes look look I can play with this as much as I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's that kind of feeling and
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, I mean, this is, I think this is one of the up there up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a couple in the next season that maybe could give it a run for its money, but I love an emotional story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love a bit of growth character growth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this for me is just, I think it's the best one of this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm a little bit sort of this is the, that's why I picked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would argue that if we're looking like left pretend where it's vying for the top spot, which is currently held by the hospice episode eight of the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the hospice, the three storylines we have, obviously we have the a little bit of lexis storyline with Jocelyn and Moira trying to cast Cabaret, and the other storylines we have are Johnny and Stevie going to the hospice, which is an emotional storyline more so than a funny one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then David and Patrick, higher Ronnie, to fix the bathroom at Rosapothecary, which I would personally argue is not as funny or heartwarming as any of the storylines in this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I think where I stand is, I think the hike, all three storylines are better than the three storylines in the hospice, but a little bit of Lexus is
[SPEAKER_01]: So supremely iconic.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it does a little bit of Lexus outweigh anything that happens in the hike and I think I would argue that I think the hike is better like I think because
[SPEAKER_01]: We, because of how much we had to argue over who the heck we're gonna give are simply the best point to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So many characters had emotional growth moments.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just David and Patrick have their proposal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's no, they have their proposal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alexis has a moment where she realizes she'd miss her family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moyra and Stevie have a moment, I guess Roland where it's like, oh my God, I can't believe Johnny might be like in a health situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think all of those moments combined are gonna outweigh a little bit of Alexis for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think sometimes in these rankings, I think I, for one, get a bit hung up on comedy aspects and I'm like, if there isn't like an iconic funny moment, I kind of weigh it down a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm like, I feel like, you're right, like all the ABC plots, all of these were all very sentimental, very emotional, very kind of important.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's just as worthy as like an iconic funny moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that we got all three and all three were incredibly strong.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that speaks the quality of this episode as a whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that was a duck moment in it in the slightest.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm kind of thinking, yeah, let's put it above.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's put it in the top spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Baby, look at, and we have six episodes in hot shit right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's incredible.
[SPEAKER_03]: This season is so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every one said it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone said it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Stuart, you were like, I don't know if I believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And here we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at us now.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you watch the first this season since, if you go and back and watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I've seen this season a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it if you don't see in the first season since come and watch in these ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got to find it might not.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, imagine when I go back and watch like the whole episodes, I've like, oh, God, there's a marked difference in terms of the pace for one thing as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, I remember like those earlier episodes, a couple of times they're quite slow and a bit sluggish, especially like very other than the first that season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's interesting to go back and do a bit of a comparison.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we are barely in towards the end of this season, which I can't believe next week is the finale life is a cabaret, which, you know, I feel like, Stuart, I'm not going to ask you what you think this episode is about.
[SPEAKER_02]: I guess, like, I thought I think you might be getting to the, you know, the poem, maybe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we are going to watch Cabaret ahead of the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really excited about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait to watch that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you see it before, I have not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything about the start.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond what we've heard from our listeners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Talked with the use for liking, but giving a lot of information there, or easily.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like, I was like, listening, I remember the songs and like, it's a bit, but like, the way the things, I was like, I didn't really, I must have, like, second-screened it and not really paid that much attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it will have my full undivided attention when I've watched it now this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I'm especially excited to read this is an episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been excited for you to watch since season one, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like honestly, and I won't say why now I'll tell you why obviously on the next podcast, but they're like in the very beginning of us starting the podcast, when you express to certain like thing, I was like, oh, okay, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I know what he's going to love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know there's going to be a thing he loves.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has been a long time coming for us to get to the season five finale.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I really, really, really can't wait for next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, life is a cabaret.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get to that next week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, in the meantime, at talking shit, uh, give us a five stars reviews.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to cover a mighty wind.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to figure out when we're going to schedule that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll do it like between seasons five and six or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, anything else you want to let the people know about was to wear.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can think of, obviously, like, I, uh, it is not related to podcasts or plugs or anything like that, but go play it for the should pay three.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I've got, I just can will and they're obsessed with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go out and play it, people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to like scream it from the rooftops.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it really is so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trisha, anything you want to plug anything you want to tell people about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, I'm just subscribed to talk and shit because they're
[SPEAKER_00]: No, what they're talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll be back next week with the finale of season five of the Shits Creek.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait until then, warmest regards.
[SPEAKER_02]: Best wishes.