[SPEAKER_06]: It's episode twelve, it's fifty-five, and it's the relevant podcast here in Orlando.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm your host Cameron Strang and joining me from a lovely day in Virginia.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's back.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's Jesse Carey.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hello, hello.
[SPEAKER_06]: From Nashville, our manager and editor downtown in Lee Brown.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey, y'all.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Derek.
[SPEAKER_06]: Minor will be joining us here shortly.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're starting this recording ten minutes late as we've been waiting for Derek.
[SPEAKER_06]: Finally, we just said he can show up whenever he shows up.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're going.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, Derek will join us here in a minute, but there you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm glad we have to get going because I like we have a tight window.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know if you know this Jesse, but like we have a tight window because tomorrow morning at seven a.m.
[SPEAKER_06]: or six a.m.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm leaving the go up to the mountains.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm going to sell it now.
[SPEAKER_06]: recording an amount.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know why, but you know, I figured we'll we'll leave the day after the podcast.
[SPEAKER_07]: So is the whole family going to be there?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is the life hack I figured out in my forties is you can pay for a mountain cabin and go with your kid and have a great time.
[SPEAKER_06]: or you can tell your parents about that great time you had, make them want to go and then they'll pay for the mountain cabin.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the last two years, the entire family has gone and I go for free.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_04]: That is the key use.
[SPEAKER_04]: I use my nephew and nieces to go on family trips because I convince my parents like you don't want to go more than two days without seeing them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, if my brother gets to go and his wife like, that's not fair that I don't get to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I have to go as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they feel so bad that they're like, well,
[SPEAKER_04]: You're so single.
[SPEAKER_04]: Bring a friend if you want and we can be so friends.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think want to keep me single so that they'll have the chance to go on vacations with us.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's the adult version of like when you first moved out, you know, and you're like, Mom, Dad, I'd love to see you.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they do the laundry.
[SPEAKER_07]: You get a free meal out of it.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's it's the vacation hack in and so no.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you if you get along with your parents well enough, you know, it's it's let me save the three grand on the cabin.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, I'm saying I've gotten to the point where I'm just direct with my parents where like we'll be on the phone and my dad will say like when you come in home next and I'll say when you buy me a plane ticket and then that's
[SPEAKER_04]: We're just going to jump.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to try to trick you anything like I will show up if you give me money.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm currently lobbying.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm currently talking loosely about wanting to take Cohen on a cruise in the fall.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there they'll go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that sounds great.
[SPEAKER_06]: Why don't we all go on a cruise?
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like soft launch it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I'm soft launching them by me in cruise.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what I want to run next.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, the other great part is like the more people in the cabin, the less Gary it is because it's just happening here.
[SPEAKER_07]: about staying in a cabin, especially if it's like one or two people.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's not scary.
[SPEAKER_07]: Wherever you pull up to a cabin that, you know, I've stayed in some cabins in my day.
[SPEAKER_07]: I've stayed in a cabin recently.
[SPEAKER_07]: I've stayed in two cabins recently, both times by myself.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, real quick, really.
[SPEAKER_07]: I remember this anecdote where I was listening to Conan's podcast and Michael Keaton was on.
[SPEAKER_07]: And evidently, Michael Keaton's comic genius, you know, but he didn't really play it up.
[SPEAKER_07]: But he Conan ran into him at his neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_07]: Michael Keaton was jogging and Conan was like, oh, I live right over there and I point into my house.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I've never, he goes, you know, I've only met Michael Keaton a couple times in, you know, circumstances.
[SPEAKER_07]: And Michael Keaton looked at my, looked at where I was pointing at my house, then looked at me goes, oh yeah, I could get in there.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'm telling him, seven.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, and then Michael Keaton looked at him just jogged away, which is a great Michael Keaton story.
[SPEAKER_07]: But when I pull up to a cat cabin, the first thing I think is if I was a bad guy, like in a movie.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like some sort of weird rumor murder in the woods up there or, you know, big foot or something.
[SPEAKER_07]: Could I get in there?
[SPEAKER_07]: And a lot of cabins, I'm like, I don't feel great about saying here tonight because I know the answer.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but if you're on a cabin that's like on the side of the mountain, like the high slope, you know, like the front door touches the dirt, but the rest of the house is out on stills.
[SPEAKER_06]: So like it's not likely that things are gonna climb up all those, you know, long stills.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you just have to worry about your front door, like, like a hotel room.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's a wheel, there's a way.
[SPEAKER_07]: I just, you know, here in the woods, you know, it's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, wait, I love that you think that the best way to avoid that is just to simply have more people.
[SPEAKER_04]: that if someone who's crazy enough to break into a cabin in the woods, it's going to see there's four people instead of two.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like you chased by a lion.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't have to be faster to lion.
[SPEAKER_06]: You just have to be faster than your friend.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Or Cameron's whole family in this situation.
[SPEAKER_07]: They've had a good life.
[SPEAKER_07]: If we wake up and I look on the cabin balcony, there's some guy in a hockey mask out there.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know I got a one and at that point like eight chance of being a backup.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but if I'm alone, I'm alone.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's all right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, this is, this is the real point.
[SPEAKER_07]: This is the worst way to go right here.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, it's not scary cabins.
[SPEAKER_06]: Again, the the upgrade that comes with the parental paying for it is there's a game room.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a pool table hot tubs.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, this is like a little like private resort.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, the target for crazy.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's not that it's in a nicer area.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so therefore safer, you're saying, because it's nicer.
[SPEAKER_06]: I would have tried to work with us.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, I actually weirdly, I think when it comes to horror movie scenarios.
[SPEAKER_07]: it's the inverse in cabins.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think the the more uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, a burglarized, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: But if it's a remote cabin, it's like, I'm taking a bear's skin ruck.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's pretty much what we got here.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, I just know I think addition by the movies that, you know, rarely is a horror movie set in a nice resort cabin.
[SPEAKER_07]: Frequently, it's, you know, like I said, ramshackle.
[SPEAKER_06]: And this is why garbage and garbage out.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've never seen a horror movie.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I don't have these concerns.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you've got that in your head because you let in those dark things.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, and now I can't see it in a cabin.
[SPEAKER_07]: It has a nice seat.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was, I didn't watch.
[SPEAKER_06]: What's that noise?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the entire night.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't love horror movies because I don't like being scared.
[SPEAKER_04]: But in high school, I did see the movie called Cabin in the Woods, which is appropriate for the situation.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Probably the funniest movie was I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_04]: What was the terrible that Cabin?
[SPEAKER_04]: It was like, it was more shackle like the mansion.
[SPEAKER_04]: I will say.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_06]: The only thing where we have to be honest to shack.
[SPEAKER_06]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: And honestly, that's, you know, from what I remember, which been a long time, you know, I know it has a positive message.
[SPEAKER_07]: Pretty scary.
[SPEAKER_07]: Visitors are showing the sack.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to read the sack or see the sack.
[SPEAKER_06]: I just remember the Oprah was really into it, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Or was that something else?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like she was into it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That feels like something Oprah would be into.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'm just saying if I had to put if I had a rank, scariest places to spend a night.
[SPEAKER_07]: One is like
[SPEAKER_07]: my vacation spot.
[SPEAKER_07]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_07]: Great.
[SPEAKER_07]: I wouldn't say it's I would put it's top three or five for sure.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's cabin in the woods.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's three or five.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think a number one is like an old like Victorian home.
[SPEAKER_07]: Um, you know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Freaky and it's been abandoned.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they're dinner with undershormers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Someone died there in the eighteen hundreds.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I would say cave.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't I wouldn't want that for a lot of reasons.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: But why?
[SPEAKER_06]: Why?
[SPEAKER_06]: If you find a part of the cave where you can see there's no bats and there's no bears, like that's actually a nice show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, you can see from where like have you gone all the way to inside the cave like to the very end.
[SPEAKER_07]: Let's say you're in the cave.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Right.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it's like, all right, don't worry, I have a good line of sight to the cave entrance and a bear walks in.
[SPEAKER_07]: Great, trapped in a cave because between me and the entrance is a bear now.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's it's it's it's absolute worst cave cave might be number one because I see you're going to deepen the cave.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's a problem.
[SPEAKER_06]: You trapped yourself.
[SPEAKER_06]: You paid yourself into a corner.
[SPEAKER_06]: What I would be sleeping during the daylight.
[SPEAKER_06]: with your flashlight, go into the cave, assess that I don't see a bear nest or whatever they call them, den or bats all the things, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Assess that this isn't a band in cave, but then you go sleep near the mouth of the cave where you're covered, but you can dart out of there if you needed to.
[SPEAKER_04]: But he's saying what if the like from the outside, what if the bear comes in?
[SPEAKER_06]: That's because he's staying too deep into the cave.
[SPEAKER_06]: He got trapped in the cave.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I go assess that the cave is empty, but I'm going to go back out and sleep right at the mouth of the cave.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'll say this.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think I think number one, actually, when we were Wyoming, that's like, hey, you know, there's an old abandoned mind shaft, but you go check it out.
[SPEAKER_07]: That was awesome.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm in.
[SPEAKER_07]: going to explore mind shaft.
[SPEAKER_07]: I got to the mouth of that mind shaft.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm just no way I'm setting two feet in there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was just like water bottles and stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like people had been in that mind like staying in the mind shaft.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like crazy people were probably in their wall.
[SPEAKER_07]: You were spending like a fire in there with like old cans and stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, not doing not doing.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, if I, again, there's who knows how many murderers just hanging out there just hanging out just waiting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because if you're murdering, you're just traversing.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you come across all mine shaft.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's where you're going to stop for a few days.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, that's a layer at that point.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Looking for a layer, you know, so I'm glad we, I mean, it's okay with my shaft.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_06]: All the power in the woods.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Victorian house.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nice house in the woods with the pool table.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, got it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I put those pretty pretty high up there.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, well, we have a great show at Surfview today.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe we can ask no big deal about this.
[SPEAKER_06]: No big deal joins us.
[SPEAKER_06]: He is a new EP that just came out.
[SPEAKER_06]: We talk about that.
[SPEAKER_06]: At the end of the show, we have one has to go, but stay tuned right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: Still no Derek, but we do have relevant buzz.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, it's time for relevant buzz.
[SPEAKER_06]: Pills what's happening at the intersection of faith and culture this week, Emily.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, there's actually a lot of news happening at the intersection of faith and culture this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we got a few items on the agenda to kick things off.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to talk about a major accomplishment for Brandon Lake and jelly roll.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're a song harp.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hallelujah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've been blowing up all year long.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it is now officially gone platinum, meaning it is moved more than one million units.
[SPEAKER_07]: I wish you had said a major accomplishment for Brandon Lake and jelly roll.
[SPEAKER_07]: They made it through the night in an abandoned.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're back.
[SPEAKER_07]: day off from to and solve.
[SPEAKER_06]: I guess.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you're gallembered to the sea and made it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, we were not expecting them to come out or at least not both of them.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think we all like yelling Rolls chances to me go in.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, one man and one jelly roll.
[SPEAKER_06]: Go in one comes out.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, they have a platinum album.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, Emily, tell us that sounds like a big deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: Obviously, you know, the biggest artist in the world of platinum plaques on their wall.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there now they have a platinum plaque on their wall.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is this rare for a Christian artist?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is this common when was last time?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is this because it happens so quickly?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because they've been on the charts for a long time.
[SPEAKER_06]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so it's been on the billboard hot one hundred for seventeen weeks now and it's seventeen weeks is four months four months.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, so what's crazy about this is how secretion music man.
[SPEAKER_06]: They play the same song for years.
[SPEAKER_06]: Are you going to have to hear a hard felt how Lua for the next fifteen years because they can't play newsboys anymore if I can only imagine is any you know
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, I indicated, you're still, it's been like, fifteen years, and it's still here occasionally, like in the waiting room of like a, of a, like a dentist who happens to be a Christian here.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, Bobby Lobby every day, you know, it's on the top rotation still.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is crazy about this really is how quickly this happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: So to be this in perspective, one other Christian song, sorry, one other worship song did reach Platinum status this year.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that was elevation worship's trusting God, which was first released back all the way in April, twenty twenty three.
[SPEAKER_04]: It just received Platinum status last month.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it took two years to reach Platinum status.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jelly Row and Brandon liked it in four months.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that is very, very quick for Christian song to have that happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so it's not like unprecedented that a Christian song got a platinum status.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just usually Christian songs take longer to build.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was also a Chris Tomman song that was released all the way back in like, twenty seventeen that has a platinum set.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, and it just got it last year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, typically, you know, it takes years and years and years to reach a million units.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we're going to go into four months, which is, I mean, fast, even for a non-Christian song, that's pretty fast.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good for them.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're excited for them.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, you probably should just go ahead and lock in and accept that you will be listening to Heartful Hallelujah for the next fifteen years of your life.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you encounter Christian radio or Hobby Lobby or a Christian dentist waiting room.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Or yes.
[SPEAKER_07]: The other thing I've noticed is some Christian auto garage is popping up.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, you know, they got a cross on this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, there's the Christian coffee shop that's entered the scene in my neighborhood.
[SPEAKER_07]: But I feel like I feel like in that scenario, there's a question where there's automotive.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yes, are they are they a national chain?
[SPEAKER_07]: I've seen them before.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I've seen them and you know, so their last name isn't Christian.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just that the two brothers happen to be clear actually.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think they have a cross on the logo either way.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but that could just be like playing up their last name.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's Bobby Scott.
[SPEAKER_07]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Either way, I'm just saying I feel like you put my odds of hearing like like an old worship song while I'm waiting for my oil changed while I'm sitting there.
[SPEAKER_07]: I put those pretty good to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_07]: If I'm in the waiting room, it's you know, softly in the background.
[SPEAKER_07]: Some old mercy me or something, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: Emily and I talked through the rundown for this episode and when you know she's like I'm gonna kick off buzz with this you know news I thought okay you know and I'm thinking pace in my head like there's certain topics we know will generate conversation there's certain topics that we just listen Emily tell us the information we go oh cool and then she moves on I thought this would be an old cool she moves on I didn't think we'd have a breakdown of Christian auto body waiting rooms
[SPEAKER_06]: that play certain music.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm always interested where this podcast goes.
[SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, Emily, I knew in the back of my mind, we were going to get to Christian automotive brothers.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are a faith-based franchise.
[SPEAKER_04]: So how are their names, are their names Christian?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or like class and Christian?
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I mean maybe it's like back in the day like their name is Smith because it's what defines them.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the family was a Christian family.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they just got the last name Christian.
[SPEAKER_07]: But they really want to be automotive.
[SPEAKER_07]: They're slogan is fixing cars drive in joy.
[SPEAKER_07]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, that's driving too.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm telling you, knowing what I just told you, what are the odds you're hearing some old school worship tunes in the background?
[SPEAKER_06]: So don't know what is just cranking.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's like I'm getting my tires rotated and I'm going in the way back.
[SPEAKER_06]: As the deer pans through the water.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just try to check out sir.
[SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, I see a new library blitz by dude.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm moving on to other Christian music news sort of on the other side of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Newsboys have officially been dropped from their label.
[SPEAKER_04]: This comes of course after news broke this month that formerly the singer, Michael Tade, had been accused of multiple sexual misconduct allegations, including two that involved minors following the report, the band released a statement saying that they were horrified and heartbroken over the news and said that they were praying for the victims, but they haven't obviously commented on anything since.
[SPEAKER_04]: But at the Elevate Music Festival in Scottschiller is known over the weekend, the current lead singer Adam McGee announced that Capitol Christian music had officially cut the band from the label.
[SPEAKER_06]: Honestly, some of the criticism I've seen around this, you know, honestly, terrible tragic, you know, event is people being upset with the Christian labels and Christian music industry for enabling, you know, this predatory behavior for decades.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the fact that the label is saying, you know, now that this is out and this is official and this has happened, we're cutting the band.
[SPEAKER_06]: I, you know, I applaud them.
[SPEAKER_07]: So, but I, well, I don't want to speculate, but I,
[SPEAKER_06]: I did they know anything kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was going to say how complicit even are they.
[SPEAKER_06]: But yeah, I'd spend tough because like, you know, I'm trying to take things at their word, you know, but like it is tough.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's, you know, what they say past the eye test or the smell test is like more and more stories are coming out.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not three victims.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's like more and more and more are coming out.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's like at some point, it's impossible for one person who have done all this and covered it up on their own.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_06]: There's there are
[SPEAKER_06]: people around them who clean up the mess, so to speak.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you know, the question is how big is that circle, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it just a manager or an assistant or was it more widely known?
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was they Adam did say that at least for the band member, the four band members, they said that they were aware of, quote, personal struggles that Michael was going through, but they did not know the severity of it or how bad it was.
[SPEAKER_06]: But the tough thing, if you believe that Julie Roy is reporting, which is absolutely kudos to Julie Roy's esteem, I forget the author's name, who did the breakdown with the hotel videos and all that.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was an incredible piece of journalism.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're police reports involved.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that report, police reports.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you're telling me as a band, you don't know that when your band members had a police report,
[SPEAKER_07]: about a situation when it happened and one of your crew.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, come on at that level.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, all right, news boys, maybe don't talk about we had no idea.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, I mean, I come on and I'm pleased don't sue me.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not defaming the members of the news boys.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't even know their name.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm just saying circumstances.
[SPEAKER_06]: Some of this happen on their bus.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's tough.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's tough.
[SPEAKER_06]: Also, in writing this article and fact checking copy ending this article, we found out it's just newsboys, not the newsboys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, breaking news boys.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's because in my mind, they are each a news boy and so together.
[SPEAKER_06]: They are like the four horsemen sort of.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but the band is just news boys.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it's weird.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like there's a there's a nineties.
[SPEAKER_07]: Any rock band called Eels, not the Eels is a firm mistake.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I like it that the band is just the idea of eels.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's not, they're not like, they're not like the strokes.
[SPEAKER_06]: eels come to Rhode Island tonight.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like, it's just, we are eels like the concept of plural eels.
[SPEAKER_07]: We're not the eels.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyways, moving on, we will keep you updated on any further developments that happen.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't think of what, I mean, newsboys are done now, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like, tour promoters of Joptim, radio's dropped their songs.
[SPEAKER_06]: They've been dropping their label.
[SPEAKER_04]: They haven't announced her future plans, but they didn't say that they were breaking up.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I am curious to see if and how they say.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sorry, read the room, guys.
[SPEAKER_06]: Nobody needs you to push through.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, here's my question.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, what even, what even were the news?
[SPEAKER_07]: Was there any original members?
[SPEAKER_06]: I think there's one dude.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think the guy on the left and the photo on her right up.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think he's an original member.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think he was an original member.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he was an original member and then he came back.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I do think he is an original one.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, because even Peter Ferler, the bald guy that we remember from the nineties, he's not the original lead singer.
[SPEAKER_06]: There was another guy, another news boy who was the original singer.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then he got into drugs and alcohol and cheated on his wife on the road and went back to Australia and left the ministry.
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a whole story there and then Peter Ferler got at it.
[SPEAKER_06]: So then it's like, so they've had a rotation.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's kind of like those old sixties and seventies bands that just keep touring with new band members.
[SPEAKER_06]: And there's maybe one guy.
[SPEAKER_07]: It goes back to the ship of thesis thought experiment paradox, which is you have this ship like a Greek wooden sailing vessel, right?
[SPEAKER_07]: And as it's sailing, right, slowly pieces of wood are replaced on the ship, okay?
[SPEAKER_07]: at what point does it become a new vessel, and you have to rename it, or is it always the ship of thesis?
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, we had the same conversation about bioethics.
[SPEAKER_06]: Remember, like when we were talking about like ten, fifteen years ago, we were talking about like the future of like
[SPEAKER_06]: bioengineering of, I can three-D print a new year for an amputee, I can print a new arm, I could give myself a new heart one day, you know, like, oh, I have heart failure, heart issues.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm just going to three-D print a new living heart at what point in replacing all of the human parts.
[SPEAKER_06]: We what God created in the womb and what are we just a bio robot?
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, but the same point about the ship.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, or in this case, the newsboys.
[SPEAKER_07]: Not the, you know, newsboys.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Newsboys.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I'm not talking about the band.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm talking about actual newsboys.
[SPEAKER_06]: Are there any original living with the little caps and extra extra?
[SPEAKER_06]: What's the fact that they're talking about it?
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know about boys to deliver news.
[SPEAKER_07]: Are there any more?
[SPEAKER_07]: And
[SPEAKER_07]: So can anyone be a newsboy anymore?
[SPEAKER_06]: Also when they've started the band in like, nineteen eighty four.
[SPEAKER_06]: These these guys might have been young men or older boys, but they are they're grandparents now.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, well, at what point do the news to the news boys become newsmen exactly and Tom broke it's more.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, more like Walter Cronkite ish not nice.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't, I don't, I don't feel comfortable keep going.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm just gonna say what happened to Walter Carke, I did this analogy.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did he get kicked out to like anyway?
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got to move on because this is stressing me out, which leads me to my next buzz item.
[SPEAKER_04]: According to a new study, adults who attend church regularly are not only less stressed, but they're also likely to live longer.
[SPEAKER_06]: See, I get more stress because I don't get to sleep in on a Sunday.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm surprised by this news.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, again, you've got to start taking those Sunday afternoon maps because that is actually kind of the best part of the week.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you can do on a Sunday afternoon if you don't get a church, still nap.
[SPEAKER_06]: just saying.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's my question about this.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's my question about this relative or yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_06]: I knew that's where your brain went.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's where my brain went.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it a good healthy people who don't drink, don't smoke, you know, like they have good
[SPEAKER_06]: values are the people who go to church and those people have less destructive habits and so they live longer and are less stressed or does the act of going to church make you less stressed?
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's the former not the letter.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, so let me break down the science.
[SPEAKER_04]: So researchers looked at data from thousands of adults and they found that people who regularly attend to have lower, allostatic load, which is essentially the body's long-term stress score.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this is a quote from one of the researchers, something about religious involvement seems to provide protection against a cumulative effects of stress.
[SPEAKER_04]: So lowering your blood pressure, avoiding inflammation, things like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm adding, I think the protection is something we call the Holy Spirit, but that's just my personal take.
[SPEAKER_04]: But even after adjusting for factors like income, diet, exercise, and social support, the connection between church attendance and better health still held study.
[SPEAKER_04]: To your point, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm skeptical.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's like, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like if somebody who didn't have a faith in the Lord and didn't go to church every Sunday, spent that Sunday morning at a wellness spa, getting rejuvenated, rested, meditating, you know, that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
[SPEAKER_06]: Would they have a lower stress score too?
[SPEAKER_06]: Probably.
[SPEAKER_07]: My theory is, and you see more and more coming out about this, that it has to do with feeling a part of a community in having regular social interactions.
[SPEAKER_07]: They say, you know, that's like the, like I saw this study, I just Googled it to make sure I didn't complete it.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's from medical news today, you know, who want to random, you know, medical journal site.
[SPEAKER_07]: But it was a study that's found that moderate alcohol drinkers are more likely to live longer over twenty-year follow-up than heavy drinkers and abstainers.
[SPEAKER_07]: And what they found is that that level of consumption is also is frequently linked to people who are evactive social lives.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it's social connection.
[SPEAKER_07]: And constantly hanging out with other people, they didn't really have to do anything to do with, like,
[SPEAKER_07]: the levels of alcohol, it had to do with how, regularly they were with other people and interacted.
[SPEAKER_07]: And if you look at, especially with cognitive issues and, you know,
[SPEAKER_07]: We were meant to be in fellowship and relationship.
[SPEAKER_07]: And church is a constant, because seven people go through different times and move or whatever, or ups and downs when it comes to the frequency of social interactions.
[SPEAKER_07]: But if you have at least a weekly touch point, my theory is, yes, obviously there are spiritual benefits.
[SPEAKER_07]: And they attract people with similar values that can be associated with healthy lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_07]: But my theory is it's probably a regular social touch point and and membership into a community that is a major factor there.
[SPEAKER_06]: I would agree with that because like that's a good point.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, because somebody could be a strong Christian and not plugged into a church, but they're a strong Christian.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're not jaded and not drifting, you know, they're
[SPEAKER_06]: praying every day, reading the word every day, they're strong Christian, they just aren't in a church.
[SPEAKER_06]: They would have the same belief about, you know, what the Bible says about anxiety and not being stressed and things like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: But it's interesting that the person who shared those same beliefs, but actually goes to the church community has actually less stressed.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: And that would point to the community, touch point aspect of it, not just the spiritual belief aspect of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that doesn't do another point.
[SPEAKER_04]: The study made, which was, like I mentioned, you're also likely to live longer if you attend church.
[SPEAKER_04]: So over the study was a fourteen, they had a fourteen year follow up.
[SPEAKER_04]: And people who attended church more than once a week had a fifty-five percent lower risk of dying early than people who didn't go at all.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think, I think there's other studies that back up that a lot of people who tend to live longer, they have a strong community around them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that is, it is essential for living.
[SPEAKER_04]: If for life is having people who
[SPEAKER_04]: want you to stick around, too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, it's all that to say, go to church.
[SPEAKER_04]: You'll live longer and be less stressed.
[SPEAKER_04]: So pastors feel free to mention that this way.
[SPEAKER_06]: You use that.
[SPEAKER_06]: That doesn't sound like a point.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just part of the message.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, come and come.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: You'll like, like, here's the benefit.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, die.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: The whole point is we don't care if we die because we have internal promise.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, but of a catch twenty two, I guess.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, moving on.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have some exciting real quick.
[SPEAKER_07]: I want to make sure my study isn't encouraging people to change their consumption habits if they are.
[SPEAKER_07]: I think there were a lot of factors in that, but the social aspect was one.
[SPEAKER_07]: So I don't want to misrepresent anyone who is.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, great.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was going to go out with my friends tonight because you just told me it's fine.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think it was one of the factors when it came to why long jeopardy's because it was like, Oh, everybody.
[SPEAKER_06]: Look who's here.
[SPEAKER_06]: Please welcome artists for me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, I didn't know I was going to be ambushed on your side.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had a studio session yesterday.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had to take my equipment down.
[SPEAKER_05]: Anybody that's ever had any music equipment knows.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you want one core.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's over.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, yeah, it's over.
[SPEAKER_05]: You're pretty much rebuilding.
[SPEAKER_06]: Dude, what's we like our studio when we had a, you know, at the office, we had sound stages and stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: Once we got it working, it's like you'd never a download a software update.
[SPEAKER_06]: You never download it.
[SPEAKER_06]: You do not touch this thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is locked in time until you're ready to fully update everything, you know, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, we're halfway through buzz.
[SPEAKER_07]: Glad you're able to join us.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: We've also established that just I'm going to the mountains tomorrow, staying in the cabin with my family.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just he's established that that's one of the top five scariest places to spend a night.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we along with along with cave old Victorian home in a thunderstorm abandoned mineshaft like we encountered in Wyoming.
[SPEAKER_06]: And apparently a luxury cabin in the woods with a pool table at the game room.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, any any cabin.
[SPEAKER_04]: But we said a shock like cabin is worse than the mansion cabin.
[SPEAKER_05]: The more range, I love them Victorian home is the one for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm going to keep it real because
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't, I don't know how they're sort of chill.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, I, I don't know how people would deal with this in like really, really old houses and redo them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like I could see something that was in like maybe the seventies, eighties we rebuilding, but those like, oh, this is from the eighteen hundreds.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, nah, nah, nah, nah, that ain't that ain't it.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wouldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I would say decrepit museum with creepy artifacts.
[SPEAKER_07]: I put in there.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, what's creepy artifacts like like taxidermy?
[SPEAKER_07]: I would say like mummies and stuff.
[SPEAKER_07]: I would like.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm assuming you'll've never been in an antique shop, but that's not very scary.
[SPEAKER_04]: Especially because all those weird dolls, like, I don't always have those weird dolls looking at you.
[SPEAKER_07]: How about they're like, how about this?
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, where does old antique doll museum fall in?
[SPEAKER_07]: Like, so here's the scenario.
[SPEAKER_06]: Or like a B&B, like, like, like, like, like a breakfast and the old lady has like, she's super into dolls in the river.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well, there's a gateway to hell and some.
[SPEAKER_05]: Because of portal house light.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, there's a portal like you one minute.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, one minute.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, so here's how here's how I see it going down.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: This where you got to rank it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Consider this in the rankings.
[SPEAKER_07]: You're driving.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's late late at night.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Your cell phone doesn't have service.
[SPEAKER_07]: Very remote area.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, terrible.
[SPEAKER_07]: Unbelievable flat tire.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: And so, you know, you're, you walk to the nearest light and it happens to come from a building, which is an antique doll museum.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Is it open and nice though?
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no, you're knocking on the door.
[SPEAKER_07]: I hope because you're stuck out here.
[SPEAKER_07]: And anyway, the proprietor who lives upstairs.
[SPEAKER_07]: Well, they in a house out back.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, or upstairs.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, but it's one bedroom and they say, you know, you can stay here the night.
[SPEAKER_07]: There's a snow storm coming.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay, heavy blizzard.
[SPEAKER_06]: But you can't stay in my apartment because it's one bedroom, you have to stay in the doll store.
[SPEAKER_07]: You can stay.
[SPEAKER_07]: I would give you, yeah, you have to stay in the, I'd rank that up in top five, I think.
[SPEAKER_06]: You want to do more movies.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, that's no point in your car break.
[SPEAKER_05]: You went to a portal to help.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's why it did.
[SPEAKER_05]: Of course, you could because one day you're in the house and the next minute you wake up and the dolls are in different locations than when you fell asleep.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think I don't want to be an any Jew within native taking over.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: This stuff to something to think about.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_07]: Go ahead and wait.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, moving on to our very last buzz item.
[SPEAKER_04]: Derek, I'm glad you're here for this because I am curious to hear your thoughts and feelings on this.
[SPEAKER_04]: First of all, are you all video gamers at all?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, have you ever been a video gamer?
[SPEAKER_04]: Guys.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think there's called gamers, but I'm not there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, I'm not one of those.
[SPEAKER_06]: Video gamers.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm a very mom-tor.
[SPEAKER_05]: I am a video gamer.
[SPEAKER_05]: I love with with my mom.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I guess because I play games for the game, so that I come as a gamer anyways.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't bear to myself enough on this video.
[SPEAKER_05]: We video game one.
[SPEAKER_06]: My son is very much in the gaming.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's a video gamer as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you know that for the last like ten years, people have been waiting for Grand Theft Auto six to drop, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: I never played Grantaf.o.
[SPEAKER_06]: I have morals, but yes, I've heard about it.
[SPEAKER_07]: You don't have to, you know, you don't have to do the bad stuff in the game.
[SPEAKER_07]: You could just.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know, but the fact that it's there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's, it's like life anyway.
[SPEAKER_06]: Emily, you can grant that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Grab the bottle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, so G.J.
[SPEAKER_04]: is supposed to drop next May, twenty six.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was supposed to drop.
[SPEAKER_04]: sometime within the last ten years, because GTA V dropped all the way back in twenty thirteen and fans have been waiting literally over a decade for it, but it keeps getting pushed back delayed for lots of different reasons.
[SPEAKER_04]: The latest update says it'll be back May twenty six twenty twenty six, but people don't believe that.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so they have now decided that they are going to be bedding real money that Jesus will return before grandfathers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who's taking those on?
[SPEAKER_04]: So Paul and Market is a decentralized prediction platform.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are letting users bet on whether the second coming will happen before GTA VI.
[SPEAKER_04]: And as of this reporting, the odds of Jesus showing up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wait, question.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you place a bet that the second coming is going to happen, how do you win?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, let's say you're right.
[SPEAKER_06]: You win the bet.
[SPEAKER_06]: How do you collect?
[SPEAKER_06]: You're gone.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Wait, no, you're left behind.
[SPEAKER_05]: This is, we know this is called American.
[SPEAKER_05]: Americans have a lot of money to waste.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can place real bets on Jesus coming back before GTA six releasing.
[SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, and as it, I mean, it just placing bets on Jesus coming back just filled
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I was going to say, that seems like a very safe bet to me, you know, like, I'm not that I don't believe he's not coming back.
[SPEAKER_07]: I just think it, you know, no man knows the hour.
[SPEAKER_07]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like you can't lose.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you place a bet on the other thing happening before Jesus comes back, Jesus comes back.
[SPEAKER_05]: We're out of here anyway.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm taking an opposite side of that one.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, every time.
[SPEAKER_07]: But, but I'm just saying I don't feel comfortable betting on that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I honestly feel, I mean, you know, obviously his ways in our way starts in our thoughts, but I just know if I was Jesus.
[SPEAKER_05]: And they were betting on my return on the video game.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna make every one of them lose.
[SPEAKER_05]: I would literally come to the day after.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like literally the game would drop and help them the day after.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's me.
[SPEAKER_05]: But you know, it's like, you know, I said, I'm Jesus.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it funny if he comes a day before or a day after?
[SPEAKER_05]: day after day after is the best day after is the best because there's all this pain and then I get to come back and just wag my finger to see I remember they bet on my clothes just like your bed and all my return like this is the moment when I'm betting on Jesus' clothes actually that's really like I'm literally coming back like
[SPEAKER_05]: Hey guys, you know.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: That'll do it for relevant buzz.
[SPEAKER_06]: Make sure to check out relevant magazine.com every weekday where we are covering the description of faith and culture more stories like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks, Emily.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Stay tuned.
[SPEAKER_06]: Up next.
[SPEAKER_06]: No big deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: Join us.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, our guest today is no big deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's one of our favorite indie Chris rappers.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's had an amazing year being part of the first ever Christian hip-hop set at Rolling Loud Music Festival, winning NPR's tiny desk fan favorite vote for the second year in a row and dropping a brand new EP called Soul Brother.
[SPEAKER_06]: We sat down with him to hear about his growing success and what's coming up next for him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's our conversation with no big deal.
[SPEAKER_04]: First things first, congratulations on winning NPR's tiny desk fan favorite award for the second year in a row.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's always so fun to see how you reimagining your songs.
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you come up with the idea for this Vibe arrangement?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: The tiny desk like NPR experiences been one of my favorite things that started going over the last few years.
[SPEAKER_03]: As far as the aesthetic for it and the vibe.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just, I think a key part of the
[SPEAKER_03]: of the MPR thing is my uncle who is a drummer and a band leader.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I kind of grew up going to conscious with him and he introduced me to a lot of really cool music.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we brainstorm all of that together.
[SPEAKER_03]: He connected me with the local studio that kind of has that vibe.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I've done the last two videos.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we just wanted the aesthetics to kind of like
[SPEAKER_03]: Lynn to the whole tiny desk.
[SPEAKER_03]: A static where it's like very intimate.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very stripped down.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very much focused on the musicians and therefore the music quality and the lyrics as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's really cool that NPR and Tiny Desk do that because it's almost like a countercultural thing to the high production like music moment that we're in.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it really just keeps like the main thing, the main thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we wanted to honor that even in the aesthetics and presentation of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Christian music or music that Christians use to get their pictures and not the hit of the clicks and views.
[SPEAKER_02]: Officially, I don't play by your silly rules.
[SPEAKER_02]: We end up in it because that's how the spirit moves.
[SPEAKER_04]: I noticed here, one of the NPR producers when they were talking about this performance mentioned that they didn't even know you were a Christian.
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you feel when people hear your music and that's a response?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think what's funny to me is they'll say that and they'll say that on like, my most explicitly Christian music, which lets me know that it's not a matter of like, all of like, you know, hitting the content or, you know, picked like neutral lyrics.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's more about a bias that people have towards the quality and the execution of
[SPEAKER_03]: Christian music and my opinion that I mean I'm not going to lose Christian music or music the Christian music it's like I mean we've got to at least at least we are either against our four Christian music like right off the bat like at let the very least you know what I mean and then when you keep listening to this or like go with the ghosts is what I think they were referring to in that clip
[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, yeah, if you're not listening, you're just vibing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But, man, those those are very explicit too.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's more like before you hear lyrics, you hear a melody.
[SPEAKER_03]: You see the visual presentation, you hear rhythm.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think people automatically
[SPEAKER_03]: or I think people already have a bias that Christian music's gonna be a little bit subpar on the melody, packaging, rhythm, presentation.
[SPEAKER_03]: So as soon as they see something that's actually there, not there assuming, okay, this isn't Christian music, this is good, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: To the point where you can be saying,
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, pretty explicit Christian things and it's going to be on there, started for a fifth listen that they actually, you know, oh, wait a minute, you know, that's what this message about.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you, you asked how I feel about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel, uh, on one hand, I take it as a,
[SPEAKER_03]: at the compliment because I know that we're working with those biases.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then honestly, on the other hand, I'm like, I am a little bit like, I don't know if this is good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't know, hopefully we're changing this narrative.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't want to just like, I want you to know that because I want you to be listening to the lyrics, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It definitely seems like there's been a bias against Christian music even for excellent artists, but I would say that that's slowly becoming less and less prevalent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think what you said about it's been excellent is true.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the excellent music is becoming
[SPEAKER_03]: like more mainstream when I say mainstream, I mean, it's rising to the top through marketing and like discovery.
[SPEAKER_03]: But whereas I think that Christians have been making excellent music like this whole time, I don't think that we just got good at it right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's been, but it hasn't been at the forefront, like the excellent music hasn't necessarily been at the forefront where hasn't broke through marketing and discovery wise.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that's what's happening right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, speaking of excellent music, you just dropped a nearly ppled soul brother.
[SPEAKER_04]: You clarity with K to on the track for that.
[SPEAKER_04]: How did you get connected with him?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Shadow K to on a track of, you know, multiple billboard charting, you know, goal platinum producer.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, we connected, I think during the pandemic, you're the twenty twenty or twenty twenty one, he put out a lot of his beats were going viral on social media.
[SPEAKER_03]: He would like put out a beat and say like rap to this beat, you know, and he did one that was, um, it was like the Wii.
[SPEAKER_03]: game system, the Wii game system, theme song, you know, made into a beat.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so I wrapped over that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that one kind of went viral.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's when he like followed me off of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, we just kind of lightly kept in touch over the years on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I
[SPEAKER_03]: put out a tweet and then I screenshot I did a put it on Instagram that I wanted to make a project I want to make a project in seven days with one producer and
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, whatever we get in seven days, that's what we're going to put out.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a random idea.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I had just worked out.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a lot of endorsements going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I was just like, you know, like, you know what, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, let's do something really organic and off the wall.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he was one of the producers who responded, I think a fan tag team in the post.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if you're serious, I'll get the Airbnb, like, let's actually get this thing going.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he was serious.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we got to Airbnb, I think it was like a month later, something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we made this whole brother's, I'm sorry, this whole brother's singular.
[SPEAKER_03]: EP.
[SPEAKER_03]: We did most of it in three and a half days like most of the writing and recording in three and a half days and then we used the second three and a half to kind of like tighten up all the mixing and vocals and everything.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, it was an incredible experience.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seven days is a pretty short time to create something like this.
[SPEAKER_02]: How did having a time-frenge affect your creative process?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's a great question.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was part of the appeal of its meat is, you know, I think great creativity comes from having boundaries, you know, having like, feelings that you're trying to break through.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, a lot of times we'll see like artists there.
[SPEAKER_03]: most loved albums are like their most ambitious albums are like their first album you know and then sometimes if they blow up off their first album then there's like the quote unquote sophomore snub where like people I don't know if I like the second album and that first album they basically been writing their whole life like even if they already writing at six months ago they've been writing that their whole life this whole time that they've had dreams and
[SPEAKER_03]: being an artist and so they've encountered so many obstacles and so many ceilings and so much opposition while they were putting their ten thousand hours in and you hear all of that breakthrough in that album.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think as your music and your career starts to become more successful as sustainable than as an artist you need to find ways to
[SPEAKER_03]: who operate within creative boundaries because that's where you're going to really be innovative.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think that limiting the time was a way that we could do that, meaning that like the concepts, the lyrics, the melodies, the rhythms that I chose in those seven days will be different than if I knew I had six months to work on an album.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now within that week is that when the project Pat track also came together or did that happen at a different time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so this is actually a cool story.
[SPEAKER_03]: So in that seven days, Kato had, he had worked with Project Pat before on another opportunity they were making a song for some type of think opportunity.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if it was like a commercial or, but it didn't get picked up.
[SPEAKER_03]: though he had left over like a leftover verse from Project Pat, and so he put that leftover verse onto what became never going back after I had written my lyrics to it, and we were kind of hype off of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, yo, this really fits.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if we can get this approved.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so then we sent it to, you know, pedal through his connection.
[SPEAKER_03]: He hit the song to Project Pat and his team and Pat liked it so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: He liked the song so much.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, I'm just gonna ride a new verse for it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So he wrote a completely different verse.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the verse that you hear on Never Going Back, he wrote for Never Going Back.
[SPEAKER_03]: The verse that was originally on there that Kato had is not on there.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was actually like, it was really cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well before we wrap up, I would love to know what is next for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Five year anniversary feels pretty special.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you planning anything for it that you can share?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's a so this year we really wanted to highlight kind of what we've been talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: We wanted to highlight this next generation of excellent Christian music.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we filled the lineup with the next generation, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: We made some, whereas like before we've used like legends, you know, like KV and Andy and McCray.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we love them and we'll of course have them back in the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: But we thought it would be really, it's really important and really special to highlight the next generation of artists who may have not had that opportunity to
[SPEAKER_03]: like on a stage where like full production with LED with smoke with lights, you know, sold out crowd.
[SPEAKER_03]: That type of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you really like eating on that this year.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really excited about having, you know, artists like Alex Jean and West Indies, the Miles Manning John Keith, a lab album and Josh P. out of California.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just tell me, oh, we have Ahagazel for the first time, which has been a long time coming.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, just a really excited about the lineup.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we're just going bigger on the like the artistry of each set.
[SPEAKER_03]: We wanted to create like a culture where
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just talking about this, but like, there's kind of like the rolling loud hip hop festival culture and then there's the camp flogna, hip hop festival culture, which can't flogna as Tyler the creator's festival.
[SPEAKER_03]: But at rolling loud it's just like we get the biggest artists and they play their music, they may rap, they might just let the song play.
[SPEAKER_03]: all the vocal they're in, like you're not necessarily hearing them perform and it's just Iro and fireworks, you know, it's just big.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the Camp Flowing on Tyler's is much more about the artistry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody brings their A game, like in a performance, you know, and it starts from the top down from Tyler through all of the artists they're like,
[SPEAKER_03]: really tapped into stage design, to stage movements, to their actual vocal performance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything is cohesive and that's what Holy Smoke is for the Christian space.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I know my set, I mean last year with this too, but my set this year is going to be the most artistic presentation of my music that is this.
[SPEAKER_03]: very excited for that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then also, a lot of indie tribe music on the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of this is the indie tribe year.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just say that the indie tribe year.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was no big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make sure to check out this new EP Soul Brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: South now.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, say two to the next.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one has to go picking up the pieces that the pad and brings.
[SPEAKER_08]: All right, it's time for one has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, we got some time to play today.
[SPEAKER_06]: We got a few more minutes.
[SPEAKER_06]: We normally do this good.
[SPEAKER_07]: And it's all creepy places to sleep.
[SPEAKER_06]: What has to go?
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, what has to go?
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, creepy places.
[SPEAKER_06]: Actually, we could do that.
[SPEAKER_07]: A big city more.
[SPEAKER_07]: And in Egyptian artifact display.
[SPEAKER_07]: All right, one has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Wait, wait, wait.
[SPEAKER_06]: Are you in the morgue?
[SPEAKER_06]: Are you having to sleep in one of those like the slots or are you just out in the open room?
[SPEAKER_07]: You can sleep it, but you can sleep wherever you want.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's like you're saying it's of it's been very busy at the morgue.
[SPEAKER_07]: So we should know that.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, here we go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jesse, you're up for us.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Gwak, Kso, salsa, or sour cream.
[SPEAKER_06]: Want us to go?
[SPEAKER_07]: easily sour cream that's sour cream I'd never eat sour cream I find it's just a bad combo of words to be honest sour cream like if you were just to hear that and avoid like no one's eating it and here's my other beef with sour cream
[SPEAKER_07]: It diminishes the flavors of every.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's just it's it's the temperature.
[SPEAKER_07]: I like I don't like cotton cold.
[SPEAKER_07]: Give me everything hot.
[SPEAKER_07]: You know, but also like it diminishes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, you know, because it's this has a cold sour cream dollop on it.
[SPEAKER_07]: But even even the sour cream dial-up is meant to mellow out all the delicious spices.
[SPEAKER_07]: So it's like ranch.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's like ranch.
[SPEAKER_05]: Once you throw a ranch on something, it's ranch.
[SPEAKER_05]: No.
[SPEAKER_05]: It doesn't matter what it is.
[SPEAKER_06]: You don't like the name of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sour and cream like don't sound appetizing that that's part of why you don't like it.
[SPEAKER_06]: See, that's why in my life I've never had cheesecake because nothing about that name sounds appealing to me.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't want cheese flavored cake.
[SPEAKER_05]: My wife's the same way.
[SPEAKER_05]: She didn't eat cheesecake to a life five.
[SPEAKER_05]: I've still never had it.
[SPEAKER_07]: That's insane.
[SPEAKER_07]: Here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, here's the sour cream is like sour cream is the food as bananas are to smoothy.
[SPEAKER_07]: So what I mean by that is like no matter what smoothie yet if you got banana you got a banana smoothie.
[SPEAKER_07]: Like it totally takes over the taste, you know.
[SPEAKER_07]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, Derek we're going to desserty with you ice cream donuts brownies or cheesecake.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Get them brownies out of here.
[SPEAKER_06]: No chocolate guy.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, there is too much chocolate because usually it's like chocolate and then you know some people will put like chocolate chips in it and it's just like bro give me something like I could do a brownie with ice cream I could do a brownie with a whipped cream or something but a brownie by itself is just it's like eating a chocolate bar that's smashed together like fifty chocolate bars smashed together inside of the cake.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm gonna
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but what if like you had ice cream or you had like milk with it?
[SPEAKER_05]: That's cool, but then now it's brownies and milk.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you're just saying just a brownie.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so sad.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like if you have to have it with something and therefore it's not adequate.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's not an instant alone.
[SPEAKER_05]: Or don't it stand alone?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like an Oreo without the cream in the middle.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's just the two flavors.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got you.
[SPEAKER_06]: We're gonna stick with the food round.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here we go Emily for you.
[SPEAKER_06]: We elite summer snacks, watermelon slices, bomb pops, clock chips and guac or ice cream cones.
[SPEAKER_06]: Summer snacks, one has to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is gonna be really controversial and I hate having to admit this about me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like ice cream.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I am gonna get rid of ice cream cones.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, hot summer day, you don't wanna cool them?
[SPEAKER_04]: I know, everyone is always like insane to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was a time where I don't think I ate ice cream for like three years.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'll have it maybe once a year.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nope.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like how cold it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's it.
[SPEAKER_05]: What about a milkshake?
[SPEAKER_05]: I like milkshakes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like popsicle.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like there are other cold items that I like ice cream too cold for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: I, and I can't wait for it to like warm up because then it's soup.
[SPEAKER_05]: So, but I don't want no chicks and chips and guac in the mid in ninety days refrigerated fresh guac.
[SPEAKER_06]: No way.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's it's refreshing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Pool side.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got to have a chips and guac.
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, all right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Next round.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jesse Veggie Tails adventures in Odyssey, salty or Bible man, one has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, Veggie Tales, for sure.
[SPEAKER_07]: I never, maybe is, maybe is, I just feel like, you know, I was never, I think it was before my time or after my time, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't feel like it holds a candle to need those others.
[SPEAKER_07]: I feel like the other ones are iconic.
[SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, they're talking vegetables.
[SPEAKER_07]: You could replace Veggie, you could replace the vegetables with any little animated thing, and it's still work.
[SPEAKER_07]: They got to know.
[SPEAKER_05]: Alright.
[SPEAKER_05]: You just wrecked a whole bunch of people's childhood.
[SPEAKER_05]: Derek, come at me.
[SPEAKER_06]: Come forward movies, rom coms, documentaries, or action flicks.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_05]: You get the rom-coms and the horror films out of here.
[SPEAKER_05]: You get both of them out of here.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't need either one of them.
[SPEAKER_06]: But don't you like like get out or like centers?
[SPEAKER_06]: Wouldn't that be a horror movie because it was zombies and stuff?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I want to see centers kind of for the culture.
[SPEAKER_05]: But if it was just, you know, people probably don't judge me for this.
[SPEAKER_05]: But if it was just another bunch of white vampires in Eastern Europe, I'll probably want to go see it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, it's vampires and Mississippi.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a different type of take and that's relatable to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: But, you know, like, saw and Freddie and all that, I'm good on any of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, Emily.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, so normally this game is here's four things that are all good and you're gonna not like one of them.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm gonna tell you four terrible things and you have to pick the worst.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Creepy places to go in a band in the asylum, a haunted hotel, foggy graveyard at night, or a forest with no cell signal at night.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jesus.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just he's like, I stayed at home with him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay Derek, let's all put that name out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's not an incorrect air like narrative, but we don't have to put it out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's all against it.
[SPEAKER_04]: They prey on the people who can't change their tire.
[SPEAKER_04]: While they all sound like my worst nightmare, something about a haunted hotel just feels extra bad, so I'm probably gonna get rid of that one.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I guess I'll be living in an abandoned asylum in the forest with no reason.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've heard that there's a haunted hotel in downtown Oklahoma City, and it was when the team moved there.
[SPEAKER_06]: There was no nice hotels yet because it's like a tiny market.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, you know, number fifty five in the country.
[SPEAKER_06]: The city didn't have a lot of hotels dumped up.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they had this old classic hotel and that's where the NBA team stayed because there was only nice hotel in Oklahoma City and it was haunted.
[SPEAKER_06]: And there are so many stories of NBA teams in the last fifteen years seeing ghosts and being freaked out and all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: And now there's a nice new hotel that they don't have to stay there anymore.
[SPEAKER_07]: We are being here.
[SPEAKER_07]: I got four more in that category.
[SPEAKER_07]: I don't know who wants them.
[SPEAKER_07]: Who wants Derek?
[SPEAKER_07]: Who dare this is you?
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: One of remote Eastern European village hostile.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: I know what's happening there.
[SPEAKER_07]: A Soviet era submarine at the bottom of the sea.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: Very claustrophobic.
[SPEAKER_07]: abandoned lighthouse and wait for it.
[SPEAKER_07]: Run-down mannequin factory.
[SPEAKER_07]: Did that one move?
[SPEAKER_07]: Did that move?
[SPEAKER_07]: You want us to go?
[SPEAKER_07]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_07]: Don't be an aerosub at the bottom of the sea.
[SPEAKER_07]: Abandoned lighthouse.
[SPEAKER_07]: Remote.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's your pee and philich hostel.
[SPEAKER_07]: Or run-down mannequin factory.
[SPEAKER_07]: Ah, I know.
[SPEAKER_07]: And by one SGO, it's the one you'd most like to stay at if you had to pick one, which one this is the one that has to pick one has to stay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's the same.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the same.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_05]: Lighthouse.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: The abandoned lighthouse.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_07]: Lighthouse.
[SPEAKER_07]: What?
[SPEAKER_05]: What's wrong?
[SPEAKER_05]: You said a mannequin factory, a lighthouse, a hostel.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a rundown.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's a rundown.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a rundown.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's in a remote Eastern Europe.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's tiny.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's sketchy.
[SPEAKER_06]: The La Foulette lights are flickering.
[SPEAKER_07]: It seems hot.
[SPEAKER_07]: And I'll be honest, something seems a little off of the villagers.
[SPEAKER_07]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: They all were kind of giving you a little weird book when you said that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what are you doing here?
[SPEAKER_04]: I would have gone with that one, but if there's word villagers, then yeah, I'm gonna do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like a soul set out for me or I think the lighthouse would be lovely.
[SPEAKER_05]: Good scenery.
[SPEAKER_05]: Picture lighthouse.
[SPEAKER_07]: People go insane in lighthouse.
[SPEAKER_06]: But you're only there for one night.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm all there for a night.
[SPEAKER_05]: But it's so long.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's night of your life.
[SPEAKER_07]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_07]: By the way, a hook and a lighthouse keeper is also there.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now you're just gonna scoop me do episode.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ten, ten, ten, ten.
[SPEAKER_05]: A Derek with a loaded forty-five is awesome there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I met a man once who had a man for like a hook for a hand and it was really scary.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_04]: He went to my parents grew up in like we went and visited my parents one time and there was a soul of me and I think he was like a war veteran.
[SPEAKER_06]: but he had a hook for a hint and I was like, if you have a hook hint, do you put that on your hints profile or do you let it, do you wait?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, do you present it?
[SPEAKER_06]: Until you meet in person.
[SPEAKER_04]: I need to know right away, they have a hook for a hint.
[SPEAKER_06]: But what if they're, I'm saying, we would if you match with the guy you're talking, he's bad at texting because of obvious reasons.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I'm saying, if you have the hook hint, do you let the person know or do you want them to get to know you first and then reveal it at the meetup?
[SPEAKER_05]: It becomes part of my personality.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you're leaving with it.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I-I-I'm a ho-can.
[SPEAKER_04]: I also feel like it would be hard because I can't hand you have photos.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's like if you're always angled away or like you can't put your hands in your pocket and any of your pictures.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean like so I'm literally I'm literally ripped.
[SPEAKER_05]: On that arm is literally ripped and I'm literally flexing the hook hand.
[SPEAKER_05]: You'd be with it.
[SPEAKER_05]: You'd like love me love my hook.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like funny thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm flexing and honestly have fun with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It could work for you.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a praise praying hands for me one hand one parts to hook the other hand is the you're like this is a defining characteristic of you you're leading with it your proud of the got it I'm proud of it like because it's my it's my unique factor like you know what I'm saying like it's it's who I am you know, so it's the picture it's the picture
[SPEAKER_06]: See, I'm, I'm, I'm insecure about my hook.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want her to see me for me, not my hook.
[SPEAKER_06]: I want to, I want to, I want to, I want to be.
[SPEAKER_06]: I am my hook.
[SPEAKER_05]: My hook done to find me.
[SPEAKER_05]: My hook defined me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Got to look man.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, I'm, I'm, I'm hook man.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that'll do it for weird ending too.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, thanks again and no big deal for joining us today.
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[SPEAKER_06]: I'm Cameron Strang.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm Jesse Carey.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm Derek Minor.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm Emily Brown.
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