[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome back to another episode of the Street Alpha Podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm your host, Tux.
[SPEAKER_03]: And today we are in Florida.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are in West Palm or where we are in Lake Worth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lake Worth.
[SPEAKER_03]: South Florida, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is not where I'm from.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I would just tell an Alex that when you come to South Florida, it feels like you're in Florida.
[SPEAKER_03]: You see palm trees.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just much nicer in South Florida.
[SPEAKER_00]: You said it smells like money down here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, it's just the air.
[SPEAKER_03]: Remember we were talking about the air.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't get that smell up north.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we have the pleasure of sitting with Alex again.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is part two.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys love the first episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of good feedback on that one aside from that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, how have you been since the last episode?
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of changes going on in the tuning world, especially on the Ford side of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can talk about twenty four Mustang itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: But on, you know, I work for London racing and it's busy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, I thought it was going to slow down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, twenty four Mustang's out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two in a boat.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, apparently everyone bought the previous platform that's still, you know, able to tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we could talk about that later.
[SPEAKER_00]: But busy, just slamming away at tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: a couple of projects.
[SPEAKER_00]: If people follow me, they know the project that I'm messing with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, no, same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Living the dream and Florida.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how it is, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got down here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm here now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm deep in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm deep in post.
[SPEAKER_03]: So before, if it's all the people who haven't watched the last episode, which you guys should check that out, just real quick telling what you're doing, who you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, my name is Alex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alex Flores.
[SPEAKER_00]: I work for London racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We specialize in the modern Ford platform.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anything Mustang at one fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some explore.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really go into the explorers stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ST and we don't really mess with EcoBoost stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you got a V eight and you got a Ford, we are the guys that are going to.
[SPEAKER_00]: make you run the best, the best tuning, the quickest, the quickest reply time, the best quality.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got into tuning basically from talking shit on the internet, basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they noticed me and they like me and we just kind of like got along really good and it's been up ten years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Believe it or not, it's been ten years.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been twenty-fifteen, it was that I moved to Florida to work for London racing and I've been here ever since working remotely.
[SPEAKER_00]: shutting the hell up, looking down, doing my job and just having a good old time.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, honestly, it's been, been wild kind of like getting into the tuning game and getting into the nitty gritty and becoming a person of authority is weird because I'm more introverted, but which is you wouldn't think that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see my stuff, but because I come from a place of authority, I try to use that.
[SPEAKER_00]: wisely.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a steer people the wrong direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: I try to, you know, my goal is to know what you want to do and get you to the best outcome, the quickest way, the straightest line possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not here to like Nickel and Diamond because I get paid a salary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Lund pays me what the same amount every month, regardless of how many people I tune or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I'm not in it for the money.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in it just to make sure the customer's happy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Super.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Alex is super controversial.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard from some people that came up to me and some of you guys may not like him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some do a lot of people actually do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's only like two people that said something.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it wasn't anything bad about who you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like the content that you post on social media.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watch it like sometimes I would pop in there when I'm editing, you know, some of the clips.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see you in the lives all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not all the time, but I see you on the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's just nice to have like in the background of like when I'm working or from my listening to music or whatever I can just pop the stream on.
[SPEAKER_00]: The podcast is nice just to have in the background if you go for a long drive, it's just entertainment.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only time it's a concern is when I hear Diddy noises in the background.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know my girl walks in the room and ask you if I'm like what I want to eat for dinner and that pops on it's like the Diddy the didn't make milk clip it has ruined people's like oh my god, I got to turn this off and I'm like what the hell's going on dude?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you know, it's got the switch over to the screen like what this guy doing now?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it's usually the podcast is car centric, but it's sort of the the show is part car centric, but comedy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I got a laugh and if I'm not having fun, then it might as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's it's entertainment.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I know we were talking before we had a conversation and while I was setting up old equipment and I mentioned to you that I'm super interested in buying a F one fifty right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm in Florida now for some reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I need a truck and an F one fifty is on your radar is on my radar for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I figured why not ask you about what the options are if it makes any sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: What the future looks like for the F-M-F-M-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess it's considered brand new, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Can be because if you go to the dealership, you're still going to have.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go fast with the F-one-fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to have a whip on it, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what does that look like today?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So wipple offers, I think it's called the F-P-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-
[SPEAKER_00]: When I say twenty four and everyone that references twenty four is the newest so it's like the gen I think it's five on net one fifty and four on on Mustang so the f one fifty come to the f p seven hundred package I'm not sure if you can get a stage one or two I think it's just the p seven hundred I think it's still limited to hundred thirty miles an hour so you're not gonna go one hundred fifty five in a truck they're just not gonna let that happen now the problem is this I don't think there's as much
[SPEAKER_00]: I can want to see desire to go fast in a twenty four wipple F-one fifty as there is with a Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And don't quote me on this, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the tunes that are on Mustangs aren't, you know, one, not everyone gets the same tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say, I think there's R&D tuning that's maybe wipple pushes out and says on the Mustang, this guy's going to go A, T wants to push a yada yada.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the F-one fifty, I don't think that that's even an option to be honest with you because
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Ford performance package that I think it's cookie cutter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there's good and bad for that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's warranty.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's more power than stock.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then every time warranty pops up, you know that the performance is going to be limited.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like Roush used to have warranty packages, the car will make seven hundred or six hundred and twenty horsepower on a dyno, but it won't perform as if it has that horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: The torque reduction is active, the tenorities pissed off, it's burping, it's farting in between the shifts, but it makes power.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then I usually, if a customer comes up to me and says Alex, I won't get it at twenty four from fifty with a wipple, should I get it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I go, what do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the case use for this vehicle?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the case use, I don't know, daily, and just have a little more on perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I have never in my life seen a factory supercharged car like catalytic converters.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've literally never seen it in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every single time I see a factory supercharge car that makes good power, the catalytic converter hates it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It stinks.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only car I think that is factory supercharge, and actually the cat lived longer than a couple of lapses, the twenty twenty gt five hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the exhaust is huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes to the F one fifty, do you think they put a different catalytic converter in a wipple F one fifty, then they do from NA?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same exhaust.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're pushing a lot more heat, the trucks should be going into what they call catalytic over temp protection, which is dumping fuel, and then that tuning has to happen at the right time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now let's, you know, thirty thousand foot view, you're towing a boat.
[SPEAKER_00]: up the hill.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the boats heavy and you got to whip along that sucker and at forty four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four
[SPEAKER_00]: probably not.
[SPEAKER_00]: You probably just better off getting an EcoBoost because it's a turbo.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's low-dependent.
[SPEAKER_00]: The F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F
[SPEAKER_00]: get a wiple up on fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to get after it, don't get a wiple up on fifty because I think your limited is to what you can do to that specific vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if the case you say is a daily that you tow that you do everything with a family car and get the NA truck, get the stock as truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's plenty quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's ten or it's NA.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can tow.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to blow it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not that you're going to blow up a wiple car.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to tow stuff and do more stuff with it, and any truck, I think is more versatile than a wipple truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a wipple is a performance truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you do performance stuff with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't tow a boat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've had many customers that have built a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're only truck, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because are you going to get up regular cab?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you just want a regular cab?
[SPEAKER_00]: A two-seater, basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that was the next thing that I was kind of trying to figure out because I loved the way the front end looks.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And more into looks than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a beautiful truck.
[SPEAKER_03]: But do I really want to be in a single cab?
[SPEAKER_03]: kind of like it's it's badass looking yep but if I want to go to shows like you said what what is the use of it right so for me it's gonna be going to car shows having my car on the back of it as well right and then also if I want to you know do some hits and whatever I can do that but majority of it's gonna be for like daily use I guess for the most part there is no throwing something to the back
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, so it's time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Jim in a quad cab or they call it a regular RCSB.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a super crew.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as a screw, they call it as super cab regular bed or something like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it an extended where it's like the short bed?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like the door opens up in the back.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it's a full door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a full door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quadcap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just call quadcap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do a quadcap.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a short bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a five and a half foot bed or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've driven that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, one of the videos I raised the one and went eleven one, TVS, but it hated life.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really did not like life going down that track.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just the transmission was doing a bunch of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was struggling with the weight of the truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a coyote.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a five liter coyote.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a big inch push rod anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if you're going to want to do a lot of stuff with it, you get not the regular cap.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a regular cap.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hated it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hated the regular cap because I found myself needing to throw something in the back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to throw something in the bed and then have to secure it from rattling around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have to have all these little things to segment and the lock things in and I'm like, this is so stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I drove around that truck with an empty bed for a year to waiting on a
[SPEAKER_00]: A kid, a supercharger kid that people were going to develop that never happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, okay, let me throw a turbo kid on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that turbo kid didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I'm like, I don't like this truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather, so I ended up buying an SUV.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I throw stuff in the back all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I told all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's got massaging seeds.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's got ventilated seeds.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, this is what I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to be honest with you, I am blown away mind-blown that Ford has not introduced a competitor to the Cadillac.
[SPEAKER_00]: They give you the expedition, but it's a twin-turbo EcoBoost thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason I got into a GM is because it has a V-A, and I can just tow with it, N-A, and it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Ford never did that, and I'm blown away that they never went that route.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all that just to say, I don't think an A-A blown R-C-S-B, especially a twenty-four version, which you can't tune, half the market stuff, is not a good daily, do everything vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's better just to get an N-A truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: quad cab and just live a happy life.
[SPEAKER_00]: It still looks good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if in the future tuning becomes available, your options open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you can twin turbo it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can centrifugal.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do the wipple button and aftermarket tune to compliment it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you could live with it for a couple of years and if tuning comes around, you could just throw a wipple on it later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you know how expensive those are, FP-seven-hunter jar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well,
[SPEAKER_00]: They're selling them at a discount, but it's only the regular cab version.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're getting a little tiny drive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're paying sixty five thousand bucks or more.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, yes, I think it was, I think it priced it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was actually they were hooking it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they had some deals going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: But was it like a, was it like like the work truck that they just slapped wheels on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it wasn't the nice screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't the nice interior.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, so all the new ones come with that big, well, I think it has like the big car play screen and everything looks really nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: It comes with like those steelies.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, there's bullshit with nothing fancy.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't really have so many big options for the single cab though.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just like a, because technically a work truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aside from that, I think it's just the performance aspect of adding the wipple.
[SPEAKER_03]: Other than that, you're getting a regular shrug with no fancy wheels or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's not too many options for it, but I think it's still a great platform to, it's more of a foundation if you want to have that performance truck, you can buy that, but aside from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a toy.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to get a wipple truck,
[SPEAKER_00]: RCSB regular capture or bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a toy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like one of these things where he just takes it out once a month or maybe on the weekend and have fun and make hits and make power every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get yourself the quadcap bypass the wipple and then when options open up where tuning and maybe different power adder options safer options.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be like, okay, now I can just slap a wipple on it or slap a pro charger or whatever you want on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Unless somebody wants for whatever reason, a wipple, supercharged F-one-fifty with a warranty, I don't think there's a big upside to paying that premium for what you're getting when you can just get that later.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I did test drive the... Like the wipple one you just drove?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was an extended cab.
[SPEAKER_03]: It had the V-A, the five-o-in-it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I wasn't impressed.
[SPEAKER_03]: I never drove one before.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the RPMs were like the most, like,
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a cool thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very at seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're like, no, seriously, on a V that was super impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like there's no way this truck is like revenue like this did the techometer go past seven did it show in eight because sometimes they just died in seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I was like, there's no way this thing is revenue high, but I honestly don't remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just I was driving it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he went through all the molds with me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was just like, do what the hell?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll just see it at like a race F-one-fifty and the needle just it's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's not even moving the sevens the last number you see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but it's still revving.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the only way you can tell where it hits the shift is on the data log.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, oh, I hit at eight, two hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, wait, I'm here.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the same for a car like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And especially on like, I want to say like a domestic vehicle, like, it's imports are known to rev, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's like, it was, it was cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for me, it's like, I think it was super relatable.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then aspect for me, because I'm, I'm a import guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But now I'm looking at the other features.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't just look at that one aspect of it, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So tuning, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the next, the next step to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll have been in the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is, that is the, that is the,
[SPEAKER_00]: The biggest faux pas, I think Ford did, was to totally lock the tuning on those.
[SPEAKER_00]: We could talk about F-one-F-one-fifty specific.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, whatever happens on F. Okay, anytime tuning gets opened up, usually Ford tries something on an F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F. On F.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they try everything on the F-L and F-L and F-L and F-L and F-L and F-L and F-L and F-L.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they tried stuff there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The MG computer came out on the F-one-fifty before the Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you're going to see whatever they're like the future is F-one-fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they go, okay, DOD, cylinder on the man, whatever, might end up in the Mustang.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Map is on the Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, so now you're going to if tuning becomes available, I think it'll be on the F-one-fifty first, but don't quote me on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, it's even way worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: The diesel guys gets it, which is another universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even understand, but the diesel guys get it figured out first, bleeds down to the gas guys every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we can go off into like a complete different universe on diesel stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can tell these two guys are like perking up like whoa, it is a completely different universe on the diesel stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because for example, a twenty, and I'm just an example, like an f, three, fifty, and f, four, fifty have the same engine, but the f, four, fifty has a better tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's in f, four, fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's towing more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what we're people doing,
[SPEAKER_00]: using that tune, you have three things, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it would give it like another something pound-feet of torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that stuff might be bleeding down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if it does bleed down, it'll hit F-one-fifty first.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if tuning becomes available, that opens up everything, but right now it's not available.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I tell people, okay, what do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to go fast today, avoid the twenty-four at all costs.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're patient, get the twenty-four, and tuning will become available hopefully, who knows when, but hopefully become available soon and later, I can't imagine it not, but we are in twenty twenty-five, and twenty-four F-one-fifthes and Mustangs are still not tunable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would I buy this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would I wait in a driveway?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you want to go fast, it ain't in a twenty-four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, certain guys going fast will talk about that later on.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's one of those things where it all boils down to what do you want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: If are you, and you like the revving and all and the features, get that extended or quad cab, it's so versatile, it's the best selling was the best selling vehicle in America for one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Toyota camera or something beat it or something recently beat it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, was it still the best selling truck?
[SPEAKER_00]: by far.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then, you know, vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So imagine a truck is Ford's bread and butter and they always go up in units sold.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think you're going to like lose money on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you're going to dislike it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very, it's a, if it's a highly optioned one, too, like a limited or something or platinum or long hornet, it's never.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll really like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: My boss had F-one fifty forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had like two hundred thousand miles on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Never had an issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a great little truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to use it just for utility, awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go racing, you've got a twenty-three in under.
[SPEAKER_03]: They had different rear end options as well, okay, but I'm not really sure if there's a massive difference or what's one you would take the use for I guess racing would you want the most guys that go really fast on a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a three thirty one gear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember to take our eighty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So first is like four something and then everything else is tightly packed.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're towing, I think you want the truck to work less hard out of the hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they offer you, I think, a three, fifty-five.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if they offer a three, seventy-three, don't quote me on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The truck is still brand new.
[SPEAKER_00]: The higher numerical number, the easier it takes off.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for towing, it makes sense if you have ten speeds and three, seventy-three, the thing is just gonna glide down the road and not really struggle all that much.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you still gotta wear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you still have to
[SPEAKER_03]: deal with ten or eighty problems right which is my next question that consistency of the ten or eighty transmission right and how consistent it is I did hear from Joe you guys all know Joe that the transmission has like this I don't know what it's called but it it like learns how you drive adaptive adaptive so I don't really know too much about it but if you can kind of explain how the transmission works and if that has anything to do with the consistency of it
[SPEAKER_00]: So adaptive learning, I think was instituted on Mustangs that, okay, I'm not going to speak out of when it was instituted.
[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed it on my clarity Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you give the keys to your girlfriend for a week, let her drive your Mustang.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get it back, you're like, this pedal is long and shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this pedal so long?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she's so easy on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is so easy on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get in it and you're like, if you're a weak and you're flooring it and you're power shift and then you give the keys back to your girlfriend, she's like, Jesus, this thing is so touchy.
[SPEAKER_00]: This thing adapts to your driving style.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So does the transmission.
[SPEAKER_00]: The transmission has pedal-based pressure, torque-based pressure,
[SPEAKER_00]: The valve body is this, the brain, and it has a bunch of solenoids in it, clicking in and out, in and out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's adapting that driving habit, the pedal, all that stuff, adapting adapting adapting.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say that there is an inherent issue with that adaptive learning process.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what can happen is,
[SPEAKER_00]: over time, the adapting causes flaring.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say you're just driving down the road and thinking, and you've been driving for a month and he's, mmm, and the problem then you come to a stop, then it goes, mmm, and you're like, I didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then you're like, is it the tune?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the stock truck?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, what's not the tune?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Could it be the adaptive has an inherent fault or flaw that it's not learning properly or could it be the viscosity of the fluids?
[SPEAKER_00]: Could it be the valve sticking?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's ten freaking gears.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a threshold for gears and I think it's eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the ADHD is so badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love the ADHD that Dodge has the ZFZ.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know that they're swapping it into everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the ten speed I think it's just it's just too much bullshit happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just oncoming off going this solenoid this pressure this circuit goes to the converter converter has the lock unlock, you know, and then and then turn and then let's save your slow and down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if you're in the middle of a lock.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you floor it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the fluid has to go back in this unlock and the thing gets pissed off.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's an inherent flaw to the adaptive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now even on since twenty eighteen, I've noticed that no matter what you do, you can't really fix that in the tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that I've seen that fixes it is resetting the adaptive, meaning forget everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: reset adaptive.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are on some devices, the ability to go in there and do a trans relearn.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I noticed it on really high horsepower Mustang when they started going on the track the first time it was fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next one, it goes down the track and it doesn't shift properly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you listen to the burnout.
[SPEAKER_00]: You ever hear a burnout on a ten speed?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they let off and then get back on and it pissed off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Goes on the track flares.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Reset the adaptive each time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Each time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Reset the adaptive and it hits the shifts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that's not a fix.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ten or eighty still has ten or eighty issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's an inherent flaw in the adaptive programming from the factory that we don't have access to.
[SPEAKER_00]: That lends itself to the ten or eighty having ten or eighty issues.
[SPEAKER_03]: And generally, so there's no way or anybody any companies or anything working.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've tried to make a valve body.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've tried to, you know, shim the clutch pack differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, I just think it's inherent.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I call ghost in the machine, there is base programming on all these vehicles that we don't have access to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have access to the logic to many of these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But some do, some don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is something in that programming that I think is just,
[SPEAKER_00]: causing issues because there are competent transmission builders that I trust with my life that have terrible shifting transmissions going on in the track.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, it's not your craftsmanship.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something going on with this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just, and you know, some people have tried to make valve bodies, valve body replacements, different sensors, different solenoids, different viscosity fluids.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's another issue with the viscosity of the fluid.
[SPEAKER_00]: That also can cause an issue with how the adaptive is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's, I'll give you an example.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you have an any Mustang and you drive like a grandma and it's all good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the fluid is probably still going to be red.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still going to be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be that this case or have issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now let's say you have a thousand horsepower Mustang and you got a built transmission with aftermarket clutches and you put new fluid in it and you're romping on it and the
[SPEAKER_00]: Clutch material is making its way into the oil.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's making its way to the filter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now let's say you've reset adaptive a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the oil looks a little darker and it has what I would say is friction modifier.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has clutch material in the oil and it gets in between the noxin crannies and actually
[SPEAKER_00]: Crips, now that you do the genius idea of swapping, changing your oil, brand new slippery oil, but your clutches are worn because you got a thousand horse and you go in and the first thing you go down the street, woo, woo, woo.
[SPEAKER_00]: All you did was swap the oil, that's all you did and then people go, well there's an issue with the tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you have taken away all the friction material that was left in the oil, dumped it out, put fresh oil in it, now the clearances are opened up, the tolerances are bigger, the oil is taking longer to get the certain paths and it's causing flaring.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's just like a book of issues with the tenor eighty that I just go, now if you know the issues, you probably keep the truck stock.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, I'm not going to get another five hundred horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to chill out or you know the issues and that you know, okay, well, I'm not going to change at all until I have to rebuild the trance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a thousand horse, you know, ten or eighties like a year if you if you beat it up a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's one of those things where I don't want to live that ten or eighty life, you know, it's just I just so labor intensive to like just maintain that thing that people just throw a four hundred in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the fastest trucks have a four hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fastest most things have a four hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ten or eight ones are fast, don't get me wrong, but they're inconsistent unless you're doing trans relearns, unless you're doing fresh rebuilds all the time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are a lot of these, a lot of these midnight trucks on the on a tenority are there.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of them are, Manuel does a really good job with the tenority program that he has.
[SPEAKER_00]: He, in my opinion, was the guy that got after it, the hardest on the tenority.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did the most R&D on it, and I think his builds are probably right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know that a full max effort, ten or eighty f one fifty that he builds is going to be as consistent and quick and racing as a similar vehicle he builds with a turbo four hundred like the fast fast one that he messes with I think their four hundred I think his personal one is a ten or eighty
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, he builds them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he probably is okay with, you know, servicing them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we talk about, he knows to reset adaptive.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows to check.
[SPEAKER_00]: He knows all that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He probably knows that you think there's anything else that he knows that we don't make.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't know anyone that has a tight program that tells everyone their secrets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he understands the nuances he works with us with the tuning, but honestly, once you tune someone from his camp,
[SPEAKER_00]: They get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got it down pat.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to like babysit them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're really good at vetting their stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they have the fastest, most consistent job.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those guys are, yeah, he's killing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the tenority game is it's labor intensive and you got to pay a lot of attention to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know what you're looking for.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want a tenority truck, I think it's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Understand, it will have some quirks.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as long as you're not putting an extra up, five hundred horse into it, you'll be okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: an extra five.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean you know what I mean like from from stock like a stock to let's say an F p seven hundred I don't think you're gonna have an issue you can drive an F p seven hundred yeah I don't issue but the moment you get after it and you get an after market tune and you jack up the pressures and you want it to shift more firmly you're gonna have to pay more attention to that ten or eighty than normal right a lot of people say the same thing
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey man, these things hold the thousand horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, all right, cool, on a dyno.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you drive that stock around the street, pushing a four D, five hundred pound truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: All bets are off.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just because it can make a thousand horsepower on the dyno, doesn't mean it's just Billy Badass transmission on a dyno.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no resistance on the street.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's over four thousand pounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is pushing all that through wind on a dig, four wheel drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to be super pissed off.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just
[SPEAKER_00]: Understand that if you get a ton of ready to vehicle, it's gonna be labor intensive just to maintain it at high horsepower levels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stock, I think you'll be okay for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to really worry about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like for your case use, I would just get one, drive it, have your fun, use it, utility.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, right, throw a blur on it later on when tuning, when tuning becomes available.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because what they're doing right now on these untenable platforms is blowing my mind, blowing my mind what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're borderline,
[SPEAKER_00]: crazy, dangerous stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would never recommend, you know, twenty PSI on a fifty five pound injector.
[SPEAKER_00]: On thirty on thirty percent ethanol.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like on a on a tune set for pump.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some will say, well, it does it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, but I've seen the data logs and it's like wait for proper tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait for proper tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, how much more power gains are you getting out of it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like for it to be worth it for you to take that risk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to go fast in Cloud Chase, you can, you don't care if you blow it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And nobody knows you blew it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you ever tell anybody if you're Cloud Chase and hey, I blew up three motors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I blew up three motors trying to run.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's trying to run.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a very common thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I blew up three motors trying to go three, six, you don't want thirty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody says that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they stunt in the king of the mountain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you blew up three motors right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see them you know, so you just because you hear someone's success on the no one post their elves how many people you know post their elves?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like yeah, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I suck at tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I blew it up.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Some people I'm sure they do but like it's not it's not practiced often.
[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on the platform.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I met some people that are like, yeah, I fucked up and I'll show you where I messed up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other people that love that cloud, they're not like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they won't do whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So because the platform is untenable, specifically on the Mustang side, you know, they've done some pretty wild stuff to run an eight second quarter mile.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I look at that data log because it makes its way to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I would, if I was to look at that data log based on these parameters, I would say this things are about to blow up.
[SPEAKER_00]: just because it hasn't doesn't mean it won't.
[SPEAKER_00]: People say, oh, it hasn't blown up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been driving it like this for a little while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then come fall at crisp air demands a little more fuel and you go past the point of no return, you lean it out and there goes that.
[SPEAKER_00]: to wait for proper tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you can get that truck, put the driver for a year, and if tuning becomes available, then you have so many supercharger options.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have way more options when tuning is not available.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not only supercharger, you can properly control both.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so right now, twenty-four and up Mustang and up one, fifty, specifically up one, fifty, let's just talk that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whipple.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Prochargers supposedly coming out with something, but I haven't seen it on the street yet, but that's all you got.
[SPEAKER_00]: So your options are, and you know, Whipple has special access through Ford, Ford and Whipple have a good partnership.
[SPEAKER_00]: So do you want to be limited to just one power router?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_01]: True.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you just want to go to one restaurant and just they have one thing on the menu.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and you're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's good, but I might want something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some people want the NA game, some people for whatever reason love NA stuff, some people love centrifugal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I would trust a centrifugal to tell about more than a PD blower, PD meaning positive displacement, let's say, you know, blower on top of engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, PD centrifugal off to the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: So ESS Vortex and Pro Charger are centrifugal and they make great power at higher RPM.
[SPEAKER_00]: As a matter of fact, if you were to tell me Alex, what is this?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the recipe to build the badass role raise car?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like any centrifugal tenor eighty car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I put all my money on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you got, I was talking to a guy in the day, and he has like a nine, nine, something Porsche.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know anything about Porsche's, but it was like a nine either.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm off the only one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's like, all this thing is like a four second, sixty to one, thirty car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, whoa, that's fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then I'm going, so's an ESS ten or eighty car.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a vortex ten or eighty car.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a pro charger ten or eighty car.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: to a hundred thousand dollars, seventy thousand, at most, fifty for a used one, thousand dollar full build.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, what do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could do it on a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say if I had a centrifugal on a truck, like a pro charger, because I think pro charger usually is like the first one to stick a centrifugal in a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you're towing up a hill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that pro charger makes any centrifugal.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make a lot of nut down low because it's a turbo wheel on a belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's at three thousand RPM, it's making two PSI.
[SPEAKER_00]: One and right because the trucks are map based, you can literally have a blow off valve.
[SPEAKER_00]: between the blower and the throttle body and just have it bleed off all the boost you want.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get that cool sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then get the wastegate control, like a controller.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can just shut it when you want to go, you know, like a boost controller.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could boost control a century.
[SPEAKER_00]: Set up if you want.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's better, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you just want to do like highway roll stuff, your centrifugal is it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the PD is down, down low, dig stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: the wipples, the TVS is the E-force, the Rousen Blower.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rousen has a twenty four F-on-fifty with a Rousen Blower.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would not recommend that vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why.
[SPEAKER_00]: that blower has the inner cooler under the the the the rotors wipple has the inner cooler on top of the rotors so what happens is the air comes in goes up and it hits a dual pass or I think it's a dual pass big massive brick on top that thing you see on the top of the wipple yeah the inner cooler
[SPEAKER_00]: So it goes over that, and then it goes back into the engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it goes over this big massive inner cooler, then back into the engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: The rouse, it's on top, and it has a thin little inner cooler, small surface area, and then it does this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does this weird stuff at the bottom, and the IATs are way higher on a rouse setup than a wipple.
[SPEAKER_00]: The wipple has way better inner cooling than a
[SPEAKER_00]: Roush specific supercharger.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the roush makes a little more torque down low when it's cold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but it's hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: All bets are off.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've heard in the past on some previous podcasts.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't remember which guest it was, but they don't really use them.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're not a fan of Wipple.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not sure if it's because they've had issues.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know a friend of mine had issues with the, it sounds like there's rock in the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: A track clock.
[SPEAKER_03]: A track clock.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the worst.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how you, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have this weird recall.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the guy had rotor rubbing issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what had happened was, so I'm trying to be nice here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to say it in a nice way.
[SPEAKER_00]: The whip will make a lot of power because of the tolerance is being so tight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say you're really getting after it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty percent two four upper, all the boost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, heat is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and now you're pushing a heavy ass truck, track off, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say, there have been ported versions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you port a supercharger, you, you weaken a lot of the bearing mounting points for the sake of more airflow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, massage and then the rotors just rub, they have very tight tolerances.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're coming together like a paper thin type of.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you have any kind of like hiccup or a bearing starts to deflect like a radial or axial load, it'll just
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a little bit too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I personally don't think there is a better blower for the Dodge World than a TVS.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a twin screw, there's a roots, and then there is a twin board disease, supercharger.
[SPEAKER_00]: You started seeing that Kong has started making blowers for the Dodge World, the twenty-six-fifty, a two-point-six-liter, and those things are making fifteen hundred horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, how?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's a four hundred and something cubic inch?
[SPEAKER_00]: Big beast of a motor underneath it, and they feed it to any PSI, and it loves it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the boost graph, not the boost graph.
[SPEAKER_00]: The torque is like straight up like a ninety degree angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo, whoo
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you don't see the wipple stuff pop off on the LSN and Dodge World.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they pop off on the coyote world because of it's just favorable for that for that particular setup.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem is then, you know, I wouldn't get anything above a three point out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a three point out then they have a three point eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: that's almost four liter of blower on top of your.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a motor on top of a motor, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Three point eight liters.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the three oh is just right.
[SPEAKER_00]: The three point oh, whips up fast and likes RPM.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has good torque down low.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the three eight is worth it on a coyote specifically.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it's too big, and it takes too much power to pull it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, you know, I'm yanking on this thing and doing shit, you know, but let's say you have a five point eight GD-RF-Hunter motor, old school.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bigger, it's more robust, the five eight complements to the three point eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why the old GD-RF-Hunter, it's thirteen-fourteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have the four leader Kenny Bells, the four leader Wipple, the four point five leader Kenny Bells, and the coyotes have three leaders and two leaders of Blower and make more power.
[SPEAKER_00]: because of RPM.
[SPEAKER_03]: So is it basically like an turbo for old basically like having a turbo that's too big and not having enough displacement for it that spool it up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes and no because it depending on the coyote crank pull in three point eight liters of supercharger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a it's a it's a motor that makes no nut down low already.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now you've got to whip it up fast and the three eight is not made for RPM.
[SPEAKER_00]: The three oh is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whipple is gonna say, no, it's not, we got these Dino graphs and I'm just like, cool, awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the real world that I see it and I'm just like, put a three O on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, you tell me Alex, which Whipple would you get the three O?
[SPEAKER_00]: Real put it on the you can get eleven hundred you know, it's been so what point though up to the point turbos on it Okay, I'm not one of these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: It goes well.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get a bigger no there is a point where you're like I'm stupid to go bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Blower where I can just put turbos on this car and it's gonna be like
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, chillin', I'm good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, when it comes to big engines, big engines like a five hundred cubic inch something, yeah, put a bigger blow on top.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a Yanket, not a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't need our PM.
[SPEAKER_00]: Big engines, Rev to seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Odisha Rev into ninety-some hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, okay, I need something small that whips up fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where the TBS is so wonderful on the COD platform.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two point six leaders, people think, two point six, that kit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at the LS's.
[SPEAKER_00]: A one point nine is badass on those cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: They overdrive it to hell, and those cars have been into the eighths, easily with a one point nine litre blurb because it's a TVS.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two point six TVS is big in TVS terms.
[SPEAKER_00]: The three point eight is just in my opinion overkill for a coyote.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for a bigger displacement motor that already has torque and doesn't need a lot of RPM.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would I would opt for the three
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, what is the price?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I think Wipple is like, what, ten thousand dollars?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll take twelve.
[SPEAKER_03]: Twelve.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, twelve.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, all in, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, why, so you can't just buy a Wipple and what else do you need?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you got put it in, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be all the same price, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's the same price.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a matter of how you want the power delivered.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Wipple is a little softer down low.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it has good high RPM capability.
[SPEAKER_00]: TBS is hits down low.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bam.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's spinning at a faster RPM.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the pulley combo serves the power curve.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say everything has an efficiency island, just like turbo's.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The efficient, the torque hits so much faster on a TVS.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say boost for boost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say they're both pulley for ten PSI.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd even let's do an even better comparison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say I have a Mustang with a ten PSI Wipple and a Mustang same spec ten PSI TBS right this was gonna make ten PSI about I don't know forty eight hundred four fifteen hundred this will make at thirty eight forty two it'll make a little earlier thousand horse a thousand RPM a little earlier and it'll just be like mmm
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the both hit Tempsi, but I think the TBS is more suited for bottom and power as opposed to the Wipple.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, at high boost, where it doesn't matter, and you're doing wheelies and mitigating tire spin, yeah, that everything changes, but I never had more fun than with a Tempsi TBS car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, just blazing the tire at low RPM, not really working that hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: The car was happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: on a Whiplap to rev it high to make it feel good.
[SPEAKER_00]: On a centrifugal, forget it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to be at seven thousand RPMs to feel anything on a centrifugal, but because you have a ten or eighty car and you're roll racing and you're already at seven thousand RPMs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just stays up there chilling, baby, baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it should be going on at five o'clock.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would be a good combination.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the best way to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm not going to sit there and play there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's max out this blower game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if my goal is to go fast, why not pick the best power at it for the case use?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it right?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I asked you.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to do with the truck?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I try to cater every argument based on what you're going to use it for.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to be a pump cask guy and you want to have a blower, T VS. If you want to make good power,
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe hit sixteen seventeen psi one day the wipple is probably better option up to that power level but eighty percent of my customers live in that under fifteen psi range so if they want a pd blower positive placement I send them to magnets in e for magnets and I love they they're making some good products right now and they even support the Toyota game
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have like a TRD kind of like kind of a partnership.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would always opt for a Magnuson at low or a TBS at low power levels, like under fifteen above that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the whip will do a little better and way above that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Turbos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turbos.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean way up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Up there, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're role racing and you're broke, you get yourself an ESS and you get yourself a fuel system and that car is going to hang in there with porches, GTRs, role racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not on that's twenty four that right that's on no so the twenty four the only thing you could do is the wipple and their stage two packages like the big cold air the big single throttle body which again when you buy a twenty four and you open the hood you want to see two throttle bodies you're like wonderful three throttle bodies right and then I go wait wipple did one but two cold airs into one throttle body don't ask me why I think it has to do with the inherent
[SPEAKER_00]: programming you can't change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it has two IAT sensors to in the to some things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why the hell does that have to.
[SPEAKER_00]: But something in there made it have to.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to one and their states two packages a predator, which is GD five hundred injectors.
[SPEAKER_00]: and like, a boost to pump and people have gone AIDS with that setup, hating life, I've seen that a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: On a Mustang?
[SPEAKER_00]: On a Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've gone AIDS, they've gone into the AIDS where they whipple tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know many tunes that come from the manufacturer with twenty degrees of spark advance and shifts that eight thousand RPMs, regardless of the AFR.
[SPEAKER_00]: So after seeing these data logs, I'm like, this must be something, sauce up, maybe R&D.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing wrong with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have not faulting that, but the problem is this, you, too, saw this guy go, eights with a wipple on Facebook.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, well, I want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you put it on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes part of the dyno.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go down there and you're like, it's not shift in right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only shifting at seven, two hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't revise the tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can I call somebody and get a revision?
[SPEAKER_00]: wait for tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say wait for tuning because then you run a safer set up going down the quarter mile, a thousand CC injector, ethanol, fuel system, and we can revise your shift points all day, or live dangerously and see what happens.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now they're on that topic, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: If you wanted to build an S-X-V-T, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You just mentioned what you would need.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now what happens when it comes down to fueling?
[SPEAKER_00]: your SOL, shit out of luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the only injector that comes in is a predator-fifty-five.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does have DI.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does have the factory direct injections, it's in the might, supplement it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they tell you, we'll just get a boost to pump.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the boost to pump will give a little more voltage to the fuel pump drive module.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then if it needs the fuel, it's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem is you can't
[SPEAKER_00]: go up and check your size because Wipul does not have a tune for an injector like an ID-one thousand.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a Ford factory injector tune file.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're stuck with that injector.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what has happened in the aftermarket a lot of people have gotten savvy and they're like, okay, well,
[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of getting a boosted pump, we'll throw ethanol in it, a percentage, let's say, thirty percent ethanol, and we'll get a aftermarket fuel system, and we'll just jack up the pressure.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll jack it up to seventy PSI, and we'll know we have at least enough pressure, but do you have enough volume?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have enough volume to supply the fuel?
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the pressure, so the pressure kind of makes up for the volume, because that's all you can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: In theory, you should get a thousand CC injector in there, but you can't
[SPEAKER_00]: tune it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only tune available is Wipple's tune for a Wipple Supercharger, and they only support a fifty-five pound injector.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the people that are going eights, they're, yeah, they're going eights, but like, all I have to do is look at your dad a log, and I'm not stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been doing this for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I would never give the okay for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would never go, yep, looks good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy your call for the summer?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I would go, yeah, you're out of fuel.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're out of feeling AFR's climbing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would get a bigger injector in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Matter of fact, I did that recently to a customer.
[SPEAKER_00]: His fueling look bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just got a bigger injector and magically it was fixed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, that's what I would do if I was your tuner or if you were my customer, I would advise you, let's be safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there is a window of safety that has gone out the window with the twenty four Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just about who can go fast with the least.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I don't want to be part of that game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be, I'm a tuner of this car's untunable right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So don't ask me for nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ask the people, the manufacturers, ask Wipple.
[SPEAKER_00]: What to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they seem to be okay with fifty-fives.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not okay with fifty-fives.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I was to advise a Wipple owner, I'd say, keep it on pump gas, ten PSI.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be live a long, happy life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And where would you, how much power would you make on that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Six, fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well,
[SPEAKER_00]: depending on who you believe, who you believe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when the Essex of D came out, people were like, oh my God, pump gas, eight hundred horsepower, and I'm going, bullshit, like I'm yelling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no way.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then what ended up happening was they were using Octane Booster, but they were saying pump gas to sell the product.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not wipple, people that were selling the blower.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, okay, that's a sales thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a problem, but what would happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: somebody would try it and they go to the nine of they go it only made six forty six fifty what where's my seven hundred and I'm like because seven hundred eight hundred is like fourteen fifteen psi and you can't want fourteen fifteen psi and pump gas you need octane booster and they weren't telling them that they octane booster so I was yelling from the rooftops but I'm a hater I'm just just a hater I'm like okay cool and then video after video started coming out people going
[SPEAKER_00]: and you knocked in booster and then all of a sudden the car started making the power then they started adding boost to it and oh so and I don't sell the product I don't sell anything so I had to be that bad guy for a long time telling people the sales tactics were misleading you just to buy the product but luckily no major catastrophic issues happened out there and people were generally caught on they're like okay we need octane booster or or some kind of splash of ethanol or something so they were
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, relatively safe, but I still don't get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't understand playing that game, but six, fifty horsepower on a Mustang that runs like a ten, sixty with a ten or eighty with a wipple.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Splash Octane booster in it, a little more boost, ten, thirty, ten, twenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: What the hell else do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now these guys go, they want to go eights.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, okay, from from from a ten second to eight secondism is a. Yeah, it's like five more PSI, a lot of weight reduction, and then.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a guys who couldn't afford a wipple, well, they started just gutting the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: They started throwing headers on the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it actually went pretty well for what it was with the factory programming.
[SPEAKER_00]: People were throwing nitrous at this car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two hundred plus shots of nitrous with no tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were running nine forties.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, are we back to that?
[SPEAKER_00]: We're back to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know piggybacking and weird stuff and fooling stuff again people are going to find a way but as a guy that works within a certain guideline I don't want you ragging the car out with with you're basically playing with fire and I'm blown away that they're willing to do it and I'm like why is it worth the cloud now subsequently
[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't been worth the cloud.
[SPEAKER_00]: The twenty four Mustang was was the worst selling Mustang in the history of Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, and guess what the twenty five is tracking is, a team percent less sales than twenty four.
[SPEAKER_00]: So by the end of this year, the twenty five Mustang might be the worst selling Mustang of all time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does not have the charger, challenger or comeryl for competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: What they do wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ford just kind of lost their way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they just built a car for like whoever they thought was gonna buy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Wipple saved the day by saying, well, you're a piece of crap, at least you can go fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, okay, sure, but people still weren't buying it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It opened the door for people going like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: What else is out there?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and and I think that's that's terrible because the Mustang during my come up and the coyote world was pretty hard to be where people were coming other from other platforms to join us and now it's the other way people are leaving the platform to join others and I'm like
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ford dropped the ball with the car, generally, by locking the tuning and their excuse, I guess, for it was safety, meaning they wanted to not have people hack the car, because the car can communicate with Ford and have over the year updates.
[SPEAKER_00]: Believe it or not, if one fifty did it first.
[SPEAKER_00]: So F-one fifty has a way of phoning home, the sync system, the over the year antenna.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have seen guys load a tune, go for a drive, get a haircut, come back out, tune or vertical to stock.
[SPEAKER_00]: The car starts like shit, it hadn't over the air update.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's an update they pushed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It pushed an update and it reverts the truck back to stock.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're like, okay, flashed the tune again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it so many times.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now there's a way of disabling that antenna or that software, but everyone fifty does it first.
[SPEAKER_00]: So once we started seeing that, we're like, hey, if twenty four months then it becomes tunable over the air updates, might have to be shut off so that it doesn't reverse back to stock.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wild what they've done out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the reason for the low sales.
[SPEAKER_00]: People don't buy a Mustang because of what Mustang offers them.
[SPEAKER_00]: People buy a Mustang because what they can do with the Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: Case in point, people buy these to customize them, to do things with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can't do things with them, they're going to buy something that they can do things with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we lose.
[SPEAKER_00]: We lose customers because of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why do you think that Ford is so behind on like listening to their customers?
[SPEAKER_00]: So the twenty-four Mustang was designed during COVID.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know what that'll happen in Detroit, but this car was, man, it's a gumbo, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, it's for everybody.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a drift stick.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna go drift your sixty thousand dollar most thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna just pull on a stick and be like, woo!
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want revving on a key fob?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like is that something you lust after?
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, what do you mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: These things rev on the key fob.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you need to rev on the key fob?
[SPEAKER_00]: Two, two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me set the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're at a car meet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, rumm!
[SPEAKER_00]: From run.
[SPEAKER_00]: No way.
[SPEAKER_00]: From run run.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: It grabs on the key file.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like flabbergasted.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there like a button?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's like a sequence, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You hit a sequence, and you go, look at your good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you like, and it does it over and over.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they used it as a feature like when they announced the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I looked just like an issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: I fiftied with a different no.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: and it has two Samsung tablets as the dash and we're like, okay, and then he's like, but wait, there's more.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can rev it on the keyfop and I was like, oh my God, that's so gay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was like, this is the gayest thing I've ever heard in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think this car was catered to maybe people that can't afford it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: The drifting community is young guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I'm not going to get into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's you say, I can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the drifting community are not going to buy a sixty thousand dollar car that has drift wheels and this and that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like it has an identity crisis.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had fox body inspired gauges.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one cared.
[SPEAKER_00]: It had key revving on the key fob.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody cared.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're selling Mustang in history.
[SPEAKER_00]: It had a gistick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody cared.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they tried to make it like the GT, then the dark horse, which is like the better still the coyote has maybe what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Five, six more horse, maybe ten more horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it has better suspension, better brakes, better tires.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the time, there was selling for eighty thousand bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I just didn't buy that this car, this car looked to me like it was just put together quick with whoever had a focus group.
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine you're at Ford and you have a focus group and you have like a drift guy over here, some grandma over here and they're all telling you what they like in a car, they actually just did it instead of saying no.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to give people
[SPEAKER_00]: a badass drag racer, a badass car you can modify, like the the the the eighteen, the eight, okay, the way they released fifteen to seventeen Mustang, do yourselves a favorite, do yourselves a favor, go back to Ford performance, twenty fifteen launch of the gentoo Mustang, this is how they launched the gentoo Mustang, EcoBoost, elevens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the mods, you could buy it for performance to go elevens.
[SPEAKER_00]: By these parts, from four performance, go elevens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the GT, I'm sorry, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was twelves and elevens, tens.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, by these parts, go twelves with the EcoBoost.
[SPEAKER_00]: By these parts, go elevens with the GT by the blower, the Roshplower, go tens, all bought at Ford.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how they released the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want a new Mustang, twenty-fifteen new body design.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look what we can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twelve's, eleven's, ten's.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the three-fifty came out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, watch the, watch the release for the three-fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I got goosebumps.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, the fucking S-Fife, S-X-H-I-T-K-M-D-M-D-E-G-O.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, look at the drip stick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you could rub on the keyfob, and I'm like, I came from a racing culture to a gimmick called culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: in the cart in cell, they need people that, I don't know what they need, but how are other platforms so popular?
[SPEAKER_00]: and Ford having no domestic competition gets his ass beat or doesn't sell.
[SPEAKER_00]: People just, not everyone died, did they keep their Mustang or did they buy a different platform?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they moved to a different platform, which we can talk about later on, where it like, it made people, dodges gone, Camaro's gone, what else they got?
[SPEAKER_00]: BMWs, Nissan, they went elsewhere, and they lost a lot of the people that wanted to modify their Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the car can only get a wipple.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only mod you can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could you imagine that?
[SPEAKER_00]: No tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: No E-E-E-E-E, no coverage at intake.
[SPEAKER_00]: No nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wipple.
[SPEAKER_00]: N-A or a twelve-thousandoblar.
[SPEAKER_00]: People went, I'll get a downpipe from another platform and run a similar number.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just don't know what people would like I don't dodge they they listen like Dodd they had listened right they listen to their customers and they they stay got rid of the EV not which which is probably I think of any flop out of any platform that was probably the biggest wild flop
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the massive for that speaker the speaker exhaust but but it's like you don't have that car as the EV like this is not a platform for that no, but you know it's faster than a Mustang right like destroyed it there was a thing called you drags watch you drags everybody watch the you drag with the charger versus the Mustang
[SPEAKER_00]: it beat it by a football field by a seven forty seven you know what a huge rag is right quarter mile turn roll race back and the charger was back a seven forty seven before the Mustang was back and I went the EV the one that the flop yeah I'm like the flop beats the Mustang
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel so bad as a Mustang fan that I've like, I've just like, I'm honestly, I close my eyes to whatever they say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care what you say Ford.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care what you say until this becomes tunable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna come out of my hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: pay attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just gonna just do my own thing with twenty-three and under.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what's happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: People have now swapped their Mustangs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've coyote swap everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're getting old cars and they're just swapping it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, I'm not buying this new one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not tunable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me just get some tunable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you can finance everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get into a new Mustang, put five thousand down, pay six hundred bucks a month or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're six hundred bucks a month and you can now, you know, maybe a firm, a blower or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's just say you just want to tune it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eighty five headers, exhaust.
[SPEAKER_03]: go to the track run tends any or low levels can't do that with this car unless you've got it and it's just I did see that someone was running like a fuel tech on the phone fifty yeah the black one I have a happier how do you as friend have your strength yes
[SPEAKER_03]: He has a fuel tech on it, but it's kind of finicky.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, his brake lights don't work and it's just certain wonky things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it runs the number.
[SPEAKER_00]: It runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was his end goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let me ask you, what do you based on, you know, you've gotten some knowledge with this, what do you think it costs to put fuel tech in a vehicle?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the seven hundred like five thousand.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just the fd seven hundred, but that's why that is the ECU.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why aren't you going to have stuff?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like five thousand.
[SPEAKER_00]: No big money because you got you got to like wire wire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you got to control the ten or eighty.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to tune it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so shout out to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: He got it done.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he can say.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had a thousand then had the fastest gen five, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't take it away from him, but you can't natively natively tune that vehicle yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people like me, don't even pay attention to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't sit there and go, whoa, I want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he understands that, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: He knows that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seems like a good dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a good program, but behavior's truck is tuned by land, and I think goes eights.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like natively.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the older truck, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's twenty three and under twenty three, which is, in my opinion, great.
[SPEAKER_00]: As a matter of fact, interestingly enough,
[SPEAKER_00]: F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-ON-F-F-
[SPEAKER_00]: then the TC-C-T-U-N-E-A.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it has different spark cut, it has different, like the tenor-a-d being controlled by the twenty-one, a twenty-three of them, fifty, is more crisp than the previous generation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other than the previous generation, the previous eighteen to twenty, eighteen to twenty is my opinion, previous generation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's gen three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty-one, twenty-three is gen four.
[SPEAKER_00]: because it has a DOD, a cylinder on the band, and a different computer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still tenor AD.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that car, if you listen to a twenty one or twenty three or from fifty shifts, it shifts better than an eighteen or twenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like a like a like a popping sound in between shifts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a different spark cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you look at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh, they got nice spark cuts quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crisp.
[SPEAKER_00]: The, uh, eighteen to twenty dozen different computers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they might have figured out shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there is a goes behind the machine control and this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's an inherent issue that can pop up with a ten or eighty.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it still has ten or eighty issues that big power levels when breaking a thousand.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have ten or eighty issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to slip.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have enough clamping force.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to do what it does.
[SPEAKER_03]: So now that you had mentioned that in terms of the previous year, what do you think is the best year F-one fifty to get?
[SPEAKER_00]: and that's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pre-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re
[SPEAKER_00]: get a gen two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gen two, turbo, four hundred, you know, for racing, but a ten or eighty truck to go fast with, twenty one or no.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they look better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it has a better computer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time I tune one, it's so cookie cutter, it's not even funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if a customer goes up to me and goes,
[SPEAKER_00]: ID, three hundred X's return field system, E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-
[SPEAKER_00]: Go what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Looks good.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's a ship that's seventy five hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are to run?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nine ninety.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you later.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like one or two two.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, yeah, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we bought a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: We developed the tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is version eighty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Subversion eighty of that tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: The base.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we throw the injector file.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the thing just does what it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it found us to build one today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty one and twenty three.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now out of those years, there were some issues from factory, no?
[SPEAKER_03]: Was some of those years?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not really on F-R-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-
[SPEAKER_00]: You just go off and it doesn't actuate certain things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not on the mechanical side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think what you've deleted in the tune and I don't quote me on this because you know how the internet is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you have to do anything mechanical to delete it, just delete it in the tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then usually whatever issue would come up with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem is that the highest case use for these F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F
[SPEAKER_00]: So they, so they, they, they blow up like because of forty PSI or whatever the hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before I can see what the long term effect of a tune would be.
[SPEAKER_00]: The long term effect is our F-R-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F
[SPEAKER_00]: ill effect we're like right the tune is good that the tune is not causing an adverse effect by turning off certain things and that's how we vet the file but the guys are racing right now they just don't boost at it and yeah they chuck a rod and they go they get a built engine in it and they go again so I'm like
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you don't know what the long term effects of high horsepower, because you guys are just racing every weekend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's great because I was looking at, I was looking at the older year F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-
[SPEAKER_03]: because I can it's tunable and then also for the price like if I get a brand new one it's kind of close to the same price I guess a little bit because the price is still high right it's not everyone's looking for like that regular cab kind of style f-one fifty it was it was so hard to find because they didn't make a lot of them yeah all of a sudden
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's like, even Ford is like, well, let's, we'll just build more of these.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: People want these.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that crazy?
[SPEAKER_00]: How the, how Ford listen to the aftermarket and said, oh, people want a fast truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give them a, a work truck with wheels and epic, seven hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: But with the Mustang, they didn't listen at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what they actually came out with recently that made me laugh so hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: A Fox body inspired paint scheme.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how many fox bodies have you seen with white wheels and white fog light inserts with a teal green color?
[SPEAKER_00]: That is their FOX body inspired FX package.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it looks like a Porsche, I forget the really cool looking Porsche wheels.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have like a center, center lock thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like a Porsche wheel on an S-V-I-F-I with white inserts.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, you're not listening to anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even FOX body owners are like, brothers, they're not FOX inspired?
[SPEAKER_03]: I wouldn't have thought it was like white.
[SPEAKER_03]: Would like stripes or something like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: How dare you?
[SPEAKER_00]: No fuck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those chains up dog bodies, they're crazy, don't fuck, so I think they're trying their hardest, but they got it right with the truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: For whatever reason, Ford got it right with the truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you what you wanted, but with the Mustang, they're going, you want a Mustang mock E, which is an SUV.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you name an SUV Mustang?
[SPEAKER_00]: So now some old ladies are gonna go, oh, it looks like my Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like for some years now, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They actually outsold the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Mustang Mach E out sells the car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have you, have you been in one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm just, it's like, I've always been curious about that truck.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like come or SUV, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a model Y competitor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like if I'm going to buy that, no, I would never even get in one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would never get in one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got in a model Y one time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Big mistake in South Florida with the Jamaican driving it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Goober.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got car sick because they're torqued.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I got total ass, but it made me go, okay, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now those mock ease run, twelves, but
[SPEAKER_00]: to an SUV with the Mustang name on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're watering down the name of Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: People that are Mustang haters are going to go, well, it's gay anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what are you going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't, you can't, you can't give them the blue checkmark that it's gay by putting it on an SUV, but they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's when I just kind of started reverting.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you pay attention to my show and stuff, I just was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I don't want to be part of Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's leaving me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't leave it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It left me for just went this way.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, you know, it's kind of sad though, man, because like that's that's like big part of your like your, your whole career, I guess, like that's about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there was a Mustang that I liked.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't think sales would happen if people like me, not me, I don't wanna be that big headed, that if I buy one, show you how to mod it, show you the people who go, whoa, I wanna do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: ESS superchargers, they sent me down a supercharger.
[SPEAKER_00]: I installed it in seven hours and tuned it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was often running, making seven, almost eight hundred horsepower on basic stuff, race gas, boosted pump.
[SPEAKER_00]: But people were like, oh, I bought this because of you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, wow, I wonder if they gave you a Mustang that's tunable that I can mess with how sales would be affected.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just tunable, like tomorrow, if Ford was to flick a switch and say it's tunable, it would sell a thousand units, thousand units more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: They won't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually it'll become tunable, but it'll be one of those things where you got to turn off the antenna.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got one of those things.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, do you think it'll be too late when they do come out with a tuning for the the twenty fours?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: This this can segue into another conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: the people that wanted to buy a new car to go fast, wanted to a different platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: All righty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I have seen people that used to be five old Mikey, five old Steve, become S-fifthier Johnny, S-this, A-N-N-D, this guy, G-III, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, they moved on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these guys were FoxBody, S-fifthier, Gen-III,
[SPEAKER_00]: BMW.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like that forced people to look the other direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ford forced people to look away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's no charger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there's no comeryl.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's left?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an M-II there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's all these M-II things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me look at that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's about the same price of an S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-S-
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather get something I can downpipe and go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eight thousand for a dock horse?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it depends on the trim.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can go up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's like the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: The same as the one.
[SPEAKER_00]: But why would I get a dark horse that I can't tune?
[SPEAKER_00]: That the only thing I do is put a wipple on it, or I can have a, let's be honest, the interior's way nicer on those cars than a Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Mustang interior's not special.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's, it's not a horse wasn't terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've sat in one before.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was too bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like the screen, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: You like the screen.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two stamps on tablets on the beach.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was different.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'll definitely be for a Mustang for a must see.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: For a Mustang for a Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: You go, this is good for a Mustang as opposed to saying this is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want I want it if I'm going to spend eighty sixty thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be able to sit in some gold this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like this as opposed to
[SPEAKER_00]: Any of them, I just got the corner cut off from the street or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Mustang in series were never to me like appealing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're doing appealing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at the end of the day, it's like, what do you, what do you want the car for?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's one of those things where you're like, well, the interior is something I really value, then you don't get a Mustang.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're paying sixty to eighty thousand for something, don't you want it to be nice?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like don't you want the interior to be decent?
[SPEAKER_00]: I would.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's actually making me think that it's true, a lot of the other platforms, even in EVO we have here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not dead, but here it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Other places, when I went to Australia, they're pushing that platform heavy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're pushing EVO in Australia.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think the culture is in Australia that allows them to push platforms that have long been
[SPEAKER_00]: gone in the US.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like does the US have a disposable society where if it's not new and fresh now, it ain't shit?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, with the evil, I'm not really sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: With the RB, it's just accessibility.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a cast blocks and so on.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're built, tuning, you know.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they tuning, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's another thing too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, we don't have RBs here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're not, we didn't get that car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So over there, they have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is, they would say that about the US market with Mustangs, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They only had them since the twenty-fifteen over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you guys are so lucky.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have crown victorious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: a crown they're talking they're like oh my this thing's gonna play I didn't you know like what the it's a taxi and they're like oh fucking amazing and I'm like okay it's it's exactly yeah right they're like like they come imagine you're you're you're not straightening all right and you pick them up from the airport in New York and you oh still this
[SPEAKER_03]: No, they freak out.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was doing the same thing right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was not the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just opposite.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you freaking out on in Australia that made them go.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so big deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Older cars like there was a like a holding something which is there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Holdings are everywhere though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like traffic car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I was more freaked out about like a lot of the, the Sylvia's, like the astronauts, those are trap, a lot of, it's just traffic cars, like they drive them down there.
[SPEAKER_03]: So for me, it was like damn, you guys have these everywhere, like everybody has an S-for-team, but they had it, like they, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You could buy, we dealership.
[SPEAKER_00]: We literally take Crown Vix and throw them off the edge of a cliff and crash it, just to see it, because it was like six hundred bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, oh my God, a V-eight, four-door car, like they lose their money.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I think of the U.S.
[SPEAKER_00]: we've lost that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we lost hot rotting when it comes to knowing stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, a lot of the new cars all you have to do is bolt on three or four things.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're really fast because the car's really good already.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas I grew up in these things behind me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, two hundred and twenty horse at the flywheel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to run twelve, you had to know shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you had to go to the Barnes and Noble's, but to bookstore bookstore.
[SPEAKER_00]: They stole books there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then you get to know Barnes and Noble's is still in business now.
[SPEAKER_03]: some of the kids might not know what that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we opened up a muscle muscles and fast forward magazine and we looked at the yo Ken article and he's like install these gears and saw these slapper bars and saw these brawl around that so then that's hot rotting so you have to like physically open up engines and do stuff whereas now knowing everything's on the outside you know downpipe everything is just put a blow around it with this bracket that's very well engineered and by the way your tuner is going to do everything else
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, okay, so then you have a recipe, and then it's easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then, like, well, what's the next big thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't a big challenge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, you would, if in nine, I'm gonna date myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you were a ten second Fox body owner in nineteen ninety nine, you were just King Dingling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ten seconds, whoa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you're ten seconds, you're like, you suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's stock numbers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the hotrodding culture changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It changed in the amount of labor.
[SPEAKER_00]: or knowledge that needed to be known to get into a platform.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, tuners and bolt-on stuff just makes it so easy that maybe people have a, it's done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm bored with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on to the next big thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mustang kind of further that thought process, we can't do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing we can do is put a whip a lot on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go over here.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when you can, the question is, we'll be worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you give me an example?
[SPEAKER_00]: Say more.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, like, like, like, if you once they do, once you are able to unlock or tune a twenty four, all these, like, will it be worth it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Will it be comparable to a, let's say a GAD, BMW, where you can just downpipe tune it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, so at S-X-X-V-D is in S-X-V-D.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever you had to do to that to make it run, it's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So any assess, a pro charger, a ripple, yes, but why when you can do that right now with a previous platform, twenty three and under.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So is there any new platform that you're aware of that is up and coming that people are looking at going, that's the next big thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the next big platform that we might fuck with in the future.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think we're in it right now, the BMW.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, honestly, that world, it's like two universes, you know, orbiting each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it just grazes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the grazing of the universe has happened when Ford stopped loving you to in the twenty four and I went, what's going on over here?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, don't pipe.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean a dump?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I had to, oh, my chat.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean to downpipe to talk to me?
[SPEAKER_00]: So downpipe so you move the cats right downpipe you take the computer to Russia or something or Ukraine or whoever and they unlock it and then it comes back and then then you got to get e-fifty because the DI system after e-fifty is a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now I know this stuff where I two seconds ago I didn't know this stuff
[SPEAKER_00]: And why do I know this stuff?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Mustang is not able to be with at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that grazing of universes happened at that moment and Ford caused it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't cause it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not leave Ford Ford left me.
[SPEAKER_00]: If tuning comes back, what are you going to do different?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to blow my mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to throw a centrifugal on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've done that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're still doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll further tuning another year or two.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be more secure in my job that we'll be able to tune it for a little longer.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not excited.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not excited for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I honestly started looking at dodges just to see that I said, nah, I just, it's just something, it's just another V-eight rule drive car that I do want to mess with.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then F-one-fifty, but not really because I tune them every day, so it's just like, there's nothing I want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to do something that no one has done in the past, something unique to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mustang, I thought was going to be it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they were going to have like badass forge and turn on.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to run seven, but I'm like, we've done that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've done that on previous generation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, or the tenor AD is that much better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing they have or are coming up with makes me excited to be able to look into a Ford in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if charger comes, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually genuinely excited over the hurricane engine on Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was going to, I was actually going to bring that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if you looked into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Universes colliding now.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the Dodgers universe smashing into me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going, wait a minute, tell me about this hurricane and the H.O.
[SPEAKER_00]: version.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now I saw a article where Dodgers like, yes, well, guys, we're going to release the V.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: to again.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's back.
[SPEAKER_00]: The V.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: three hundred and ninety five horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: the fuck outta here three a Nissan Ultima SE whatever the hell has that kind of power you're telling me you're bringing back the VA to make barely not even four hundred worse and the HO version of the hurricane is five fifty why the hell would I buy a V-Dod truck ever
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm blown away that people were like, oh, I six sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: That hurricane is legit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The five hundred fifty horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they literally have JB four tuners now that like manipulate those things and have gained a good amount of power.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like, again, I didn't know any of this stuff because once I started seeing that dodges doing something, BMW's doing something, the fuck's more doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: same coyote, same thing, untunable, and you're like, as a hot rod guy, I'm looking at what I can modify.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I can't modify, I'm literally not looking at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wouldn't you know what you know now by a high output hurricane truck?
[SPEAKER_00]: The best hour looks for me, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, okay, so they make an RE show.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what that is, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the TRX with the hurricane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really are each other really high output.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the TRX.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a TRX but it's really high output are each other.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not really a fan of the TRX though.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I have one for these the best looking truck to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Could you imagine?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna go there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you gonna steal the TRX?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh, the TRX.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's the hell you at?
[UNKNOWN]: Stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: You had to go there, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wouldn't be Alex Foccas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you steal the Ari?
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: How?
[SPEAKER_00]: Three letters.
[SPEAKER_00]: T, alright.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that doesn't stop people from buying dodge though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, dodge did a while.
[SPEAKER_03]: People still buy it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No matter what, they don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did a wonderful thing in my opinion, catering to the
[SPEAKER_00]: pop culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like dude, if you were certain places and you didn't have a dodge, you ain't shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pop culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: That ain't a pop culture in twenty twenty five is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you don't want to mean pop culture, which one would say hip pop culture?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, hip pop culture.
[SPEAKER_00]: Meaning, meaning, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I knew what you meant, but I'll like he said pop culture is a funny time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like imagine you, you, you're somewhere and you roll up in a RT.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it goes like, that ain't no scat.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many songs are made about the RT Challenger and the RT?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not the Hellcat SRTs, this and that, this and that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they did a really good job of just leaning into that culture, maybe giving certain people cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would drive it here, beat it up, who cares?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do donuts in it, blow it up, we don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Put it in your video and people like, I gotta have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I gotta have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think people say that about a Mustang?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody says that about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have drifters, drifters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to a drifth event and take a look at the audience.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you see?
[SPEAKER_00]: You see a lot of people that might be able to afford a sixty-done dollar car.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I feel like the drift community or the culture is more like the skate skater crowd.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like it's like when I was younger like that was that kind of crowd, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not a bad thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Were you a skater?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just saying like looking at different crowds in high school, let's say like the the drifters are the skater deduits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think that is?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did drifting?
[SPEAKER_00]: which isn't racing because the first of the finish line doesn't win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why the drifting capture Mustangs attention?
[SPEAKER_00]: Ford must be like... That's what we got to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: That right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the future right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Forget this dragon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, when did I, I've been to those events and it's hilarious that they're catering to that when the guys that do that just have a ship box and they have a camper kit or whatever the fuck earth steering angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then an LS and a jacked up to forty and they don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then they say, well, that's what we need to cater to.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to cater to this audience.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, no offense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think those guys are buying sixty thousand dollar Mustangs, seventy thousand dollar Mustangs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're buying shipbox.
[SPEAKER_03]: The drifting is going to be apparently like a big deal, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you going to be to who?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not racing.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what they say.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did a podcast with Adam Mozi.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: You guys did a good job, but like as an assistant and he said that the sales are still just HQ.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are they selling parts to build cars?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So like that must mean that obviously there's still it's a growing community.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't.
[SPEAKER_03]: For me, it's kind of like, look, I do this for a living, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I do content for a living.
[SPEAKER_03]: And one of the downsides to doing this is always trying to find the next best thing because it's big thing or big thing, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you don't, you can fall off, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I look at everything like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I look at drifting, like that too.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I say, all right, well, if I were to get into it, what is the next five years look like for drifting?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, you tell me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know and I don't see it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't I don't see that being a thing where like everybody's going to get involved in it, but when you have platforms dying off like, let's say a Mustang where people aren't going to buy the newer cars, they're going to buy older cars and swap motors and stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: And do maybe don't listen to street or at the track, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So it just becomes a thing where it's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: How big is it gonna get?
[SPEAKER_03]: And what's the end?
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the end?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like what's the end game?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's for gonna make a drift ready vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know the RT.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think they will.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the RTR to me is not something that you would go drifting in because it's a very high cost to entry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty and you're not gonna slide it around now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't even understand, and again, this might be showing my age and might be showing my, um, my generation that does not understand it at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I look at drifting and I just shut, I switch to channel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at his entry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next, I will watch tennis, I will watch anything else because it's not racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no racing aspect, there is no get to the finish line first.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's art, it's dance, it's this, it's that, I don't care, I don't care about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, all right, well, that's not racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So why would Ford go, yes, is it because the kids are doing it?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's the kids, do those kids have money?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or are they just going to build like you set a ship box with an LS and drift?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know a guy that does a lot of coyote swap stuff, make it modular.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he has three valve, a lot of his specialties three valve, oh five to ten Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he sells the camera kits and this and the coyote swaps and in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not in S-F-F-F-D.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you be psycho to take a twenty-five thousand dollar car, twenty-five thousand and then chop it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're going to take a four thousand three thousand dollar car, chop it up, throw a motor and if you hit a wall, you can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kind of blown away that, again, Ford left us.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is coming from a fan, a lifelong Mustang guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: My first car was a Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always owned a Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even in my, my poorest, where I had no money, I always had a Mustang to keep me like, okay, you know, I have something fun and it kept me out from like depression and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, okay, I have a nice little hot rod that I can, it's my escape now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look at that and I'm just like, you're, they need turnover.
[SPEAKER_00]: In my opinion, whoever the focus group people are, whoever are at the top, they need turnover in, nineteen ninety three.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Fox body was going to be the last Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were going to replace it with a Ford probe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the sky named Coletti and a Coletti.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it Coletti?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Coletti.
[SPEAKER_00]: SVT came in, special vehicle teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: a race oriented program and they made the ninety four Mustang they introduced the cobra then they introduced the ninety six cobra the ninety eight cobra the Ford SVT focus the contour SVT it became performance so I went back cool but the fox body was going to be gone until they had turnover I think they need that again
[SPEAKER_00]: They need somebody at the top to say, hand me the keys, make this company relevant again, make it racy, because what we're doing is not working.
[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you feel like drag racing is a dying sport?
[SPEAKER_00]: What kind of drag racing?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're, okay, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's street racing, hot as ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Track at the track.
[SPEAKER_00]: What kind?
[SPEAKER_00]: No prep or prep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Prep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's dying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's dying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because now I'm going from a perspective of asses in seats.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going from a perspective of racers enthusiastically getting into racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's going to want to get into racing, but who wants to watch it?
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not watching it, if a tree falls in the woods and no one's there to hear it make us, doesn't make us sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're never at a drag ship, nobody's seeing you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it popular?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is everyone at home watching flow racing and all these other things?
[SPEAKER_00]: Stream it on the internet and then I don't want to get out there and look at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to go to a track and listen to top field drag cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to go to a track and listen to promos.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to go to a track and do any of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a forty seven year old man.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in your twenties, do you want to do it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know a lot of twenty year old that are like
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I want to go to the track or hey, shut down the street and let's do donuts in the car intersection and jump over the hood of the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: That looks way more fun and dangerous, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So then you're like, okay, well, drag racing, I think in the capacity of
[SPEAKER_00]: the eighties and even sixty seventies and eighties poppin but there was an internet yeah yeah so you that's all you could do to see like potentially dangerous shit now you know you have so much entertainment everywhere else to capture the attention span of the modern
[SPEAKER_00]: person is real difficult you you damn you have to have a and and I'll get into this a little bit you have to have a bit of danger involved and that's why no preparation is still wildly popular yeah there's an event called war in the woods I don't know if you've ever heard of it but it's literally a it looks like someone's track in the forest
[SPEAKER_00]: And asses in seats.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying everyone's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a hot ticket.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone in their mother is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a no-prep flashlight start drag race event.
[SPEAKER_00]: And no-prep means chicken happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these cars ain't slouches.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're two, three thousand horsepower cars that are literally badass cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be like,
[SPEAKER_00]: three second, eighth mile cars or low four second, eighth mile cars in a prep track.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're going down to no prep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when the accidents happen, they're ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, cars go flying up in the air.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's nuts.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is wildly popular.
[SPEAKER_00]: That racing that grass roots, backwards,
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, outlaw, renegade, stow, let's just get after it, race for money, fuck it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is hotter than ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: The organized, let's go NMRA and NCA.
[SPEAKER_00]: That should die.
[SPEAKER_00]: And people have tried to pick up the pieces by trying to like start little offshoots and regional offshoots of of of what was one say,
[SPEAKER_00]: big event, but nothing fills the seat as don't crazy and no prep racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And back half racing, meaning they race at the top end of the track and go back the other way, no prep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Orlando has more people show up to a no prep night than a testing tune on the Sunday morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, they're on a something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's what kind of racing and am I into no prep?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, not my thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: My thing is, go to a fashion drag race in on a sticky track and science and really pretty cars and minimal traction loss, but that's dying, in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a little bit of controversy with TXQK and that being not as big as it used to be, which I agree it probably wasn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've never been to Houston.
[SPEAKER_03]: However, I did always watch the after movies, the street racing and so on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, that's changed.
[SPEAKER_03]: They still do street race, but you have to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you the hell out there?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that definitely without a doubt affected the turnout of the allure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You understand, Texas, Tuket in its heyday, people came from the all over the world and they camped out at a Walmart parking lot with their camper, their car, and they just raised on those street.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't give him a fuck about the track stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I lived in Houston for a year and you can catch a race anytime, but Tuket
[SPEAKER_00]: if you didn't make over a thousand keep your ass home because you ain't keeping up with nobody all these cards were legit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then once I kind of graduated to like, okay, I worked for a company and the company then attended the race at Texas two K and at the race track.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, okay, this must be a completely different crowd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now dude, the same mother room that were out there's free racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're racing at the track.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went, whoa, this is different.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I remember I'll never forget there was a Friday night.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see twenty seventeen or so.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a Friday night.
[SPEAKER_00]: It mixed TX two K qualifying with open test and tune.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the hottest ticket in town.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not ever see more cars in the changing lanes than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were all top to your cars, vipers as two thousand, you know, like really Billy bad at stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the, the, there was not AC in the, you could not say it, it packed.
[SPEAKER_00]: everybody and you'd launch and all the cell phones were out and I was able to do a test and tune pass and it was weird seeing that many people going down the track and I'm at the end of the track and just still people I'm like this is packed and I went like a nine seven but I beat some other car that was like a nine three car and I went there was so many people and then the next day I'm like not gonna be like this those people showed up the next day packed and I was like this is cool but that was twenty seventeen and then all of a sudden you started seeing things sort of day down
[SPEAKER_00]: was like, it just killed off a lot of people's desire to go outside even.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then once two K ended and Houston, they, I'm not, this is their second year there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to give them some time because on a Saturday, that bitch was packed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, this is packed on a Saturday, but last year, last year, but this year, not that much, but it was never nearly as packed as it was in Houston.
[SPEAKER_00]: Houston is special.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are those years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say, twenty, fifteen to twenty, eighteen Houston, maybe guys that live in Houston will say, no, eleven was better in my experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fifteen to seventeen Houston was gop stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so badass like like you'd see two hundred twenty mile an hour pulls on the highway and I'm like what are these people doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: GTR for my video and it was crazy all those YouTube videos I would watch are like those big videos because like that's it if you weren't there you'd get to see it exactly but we don't really have that
[SPEAKER_03]: They're they're they're still making videos, but it's not the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not the same as like those.
[SPEAKER_00]: You notice there's a die off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's just more takeover.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's different.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's shifting is something else and I think maybe like you said forward is trying to get in front of it by getting the the drifting crowd personally
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, that universe has not collided with me, just like BMW did and dodged it, but maybe if the drifting culture goes, all right, maybe you know, one day I wake up and I got a bump on my lip, I'm like, let me go a little at this, this drifting stuff, and maybe that'll make sense one day.
[SPEAKER_00]: But right now,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what their overall intention is with the platform, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's rifting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think that maybe they're experimenting of it, maybe trying to figure out where, what direction are they going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to potentially losing the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sales are nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They sold five thousand cars since the beginning of the year.
[SPEAKER_03]: But that's enough to just make a quick change, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: How long was that dodge out for?
[SPEAKER_03]: How long was the EV Dodge out for?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just different.
[SPEAKER_00]: The whole company is going to shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Ford has the F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-one, F-
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's sold.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sold like crazy because at the time the gas crisis blah blah blah blah blah, but they still made it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Fox body, but Camaro they stopped me.
[SPEAKER_00]: They stopped making it from one year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then it came back out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now they stopped making it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Charger, Challenger stopped making it came back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now they stopped making it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're going to EV it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're going to stop it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mustang has always been something.
[SPEAKER_00]: So imagine if they experiment so much that they lose their dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could have done nothing and sold more than they did now.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could have made the twenty three looking the twenty four looking exactly the twenty three same computer same bullshit tunable.
[SPEAKER_00]: They would have not lost a dime.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were all yeah we sold a little under but not worse than ever worse sales year ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm shocked that there isn't somebody at Ford right now not losing their shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're gonna lose Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're leaving us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, the sales are done.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do we do now?
[SPEAKER_03]: You said five thousand?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was five thousand units in since the beginning of this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not mistaken.
[SPEAKER_00]: And get, did you?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't even notice.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only car they make.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about what cars do Ford make?
[SPEAKER_00]: Cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Automobiles Ford.
[SPEAKER_03]: They still got the list.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the only car they made must as a man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look up Ford cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the only car they make.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not an SUV, not a crossover, not a weird thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I literally think the only car, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Kia makes a car, can't make a car, Nissan makes a car.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all these offshoots make a better car than Ford ever did.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now what if they start making better hot rods?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like look, the BMW, you know what, maybe blow my mind if the BMW kills the Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the BMW is such a popular platform that people just want, I want to go there and it kills the Mustang.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but then what?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is, I think this is a bigger.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you mean then what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, you go to the BMW, you get a downpipe tune, you go fast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cool, then what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really slide on the ops.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you do.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you do?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm telling you, it's it's it's like the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're in a time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's bigger than the four thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's just.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but Ford is the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just that a bigger scale.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, I have to do more with the Ford than you can with the BMW.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh, oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna get some emails because I think you got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I won't think about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's the record on a forward on a Mustang?
[SPEAKER_03]: The fastest.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no BMW.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well before I say that on a Mustang that mostly resembles a normal body.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say it mid-sixes because people are gonna go with the promo, you know, stupid.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, so like on a street on a stock on stock chassis six sixes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been in the sixes sixes.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no BMW going now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying that it's not possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're seven.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's the record on a super.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's probably like a seven six.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, seven six.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's fairly new.
[SPEAKER_00]: The most expensive in us is twenty fifteen.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm saying is is I don't think it's going to kill it in the sense that it's a better platform.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the platform that people just gravitated to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people just want
[SPEAKER_00]: Truck, that's why truck is so badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why truck is, it's all will drive, you can do dig racing, but turbo, but again, if it's not tunable, you might kill that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Truck F-one-fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm talking about BMW.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm saying that's why maybe Ford just put all their eggs in the truck basket.
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, well, we're willing to live with five thousand Mustang sales in a quarter if the truck takes off.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we sold ten thousand more units in the truck, then we would have the previous year, then it's worth it to only give you five thousand Mustangs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then what happens to Mustang fan?
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens to the Mustang fan that says, dang, you know, like the weird weirdo, that, you know, the similar to a Corvette owner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys are gonna be like, whoa, there's no more stands around.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we gonna do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say it sucks, and I'm sad it left us, but I wouldn't be like, it's the end of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those people would be like, there are internet arguments right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: People say, well, the Mustang never stop being made.
[SPEAKER_00]: What if it does?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you got there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There goes that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It goes the way of the Camaro, the charger, the Challenger.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the tried and true car that survived all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stupid question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do they still make a G.C.
[SPEAKER_03]: five hundred?
[SPEAKER_00]: There, no, but supposedly there's test meals that are showing a GT-BiPhone or driver on Michigan right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's supposedly coming up.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is a GT-BiPhone that's supposed to be offered by Ford.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's up, but we don't even know about the motor or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to be that that five point two, you know, lower DCT unless they have something up there sleeve.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, so there's, there was rumors and a UAW guy, United Auto Workers guy put on a memo on Reddit or something that said that they're now building the motor called the legend.
[SPEAKER_00]: which is not predator but legend in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what it could be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine it isn't a dual overhead cam something maybe five and a half liter something more inspired by more of their race stuff as opposed to the five two but I don't know and it might be DCT again but I don't know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one of those things that no one really knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ford keeps it on the wraps.
[SPEAKER_00]: Corvette, we knew it was going to be a dual overhead cam to interval car for two or three years or more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ford is keeping that pretty pretty good on the wraps.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure someone's going to get access and give you, I used to have a connection, but that connection's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: It supposedly, it's either going to be a G-D-V-Hunder or a Cobra or something along those lines where it's supercharged, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because never has there been, I might be mistaken, but there has never been a year where G-T-T-T-T-T was made and a Cobra was made.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's either one of the other.
[SPEAKER_00]: All three or four Cobra?
[SPEAKER_00]: No G-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go back in the Fox Monday days to me that doesn't count at all, but I think because there is a GT-T-T-T that Shelby took over again, which basically took a GT, they put a whip along it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just spending, they're like GT-T-Fifty for a hundred thousand bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, okay, so I don't know that they'll do a GT-Five hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the same breath where Shelby has control of the three-fifty name.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if it'll be boss or, or, for twenty-nine boss or, or, who knows, more, Cobra, which Cobraos would love.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cobraos would love the Cobra to come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that'd be sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be that.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll bring a lot of people back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And imagine if it's stick-shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine if it's a hundred horsepower stick-shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right back, right back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how much is that gonna cost?
[SPEAKER_00]: Hundred thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: One hundred thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: A supercharged factory Mustang will be one hundred thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like that one was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when people say that one, there's a predator, GD-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was one of those things where it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a hundred thousand dollars.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're going to start going, what else do I have around for a hundred thousand bucks?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once it gets and I feel like once those cars get into, that kind of stuff gets in like a hundred thousand.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's it's done.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a hundred thousand dollars brand new, but it was tunable right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right away, we took it, we tuned it, made eight hundred ninety or something wheeled like a week after we owned it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what, that is a hot seller.
[SPEAKER_00]: People love that car.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't get any time it comes up for sale, boom, people scoop it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if there's like a, a hundred plus horsepower, supercharged Mustang, it's from the factory at a Wipple tune, it's gonna be a hundred thousand bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: At that point, I'm like, what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who are we catering to?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I mean, once you're in that price range, it's like your, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally blows it out of the water.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're like, what am I gonna do?
[SPEAKER_00]: As a tuner, I'm glad it's coming out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And someone's gonna buy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but are you excited about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: If that thing had twin turbos and all will drive, now we're talking.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that will drive, all will drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have since twenty, twenty have advocated forward to release a three point five eco boost, all will drive hybrid Mustang.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, put some motors in the front and guess who did it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Corvette, the E-Ray.
[SPEAKER_00]: things badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ten sixes runs ten sixes has launch control, DCT, and but it's a hundred thousand dollars, but it's quicker than the zero six and zero sixty and in the quarter mile.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, wait a minute.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's less money, but it's quicker than the zero six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Huh, only if Ford would have introduced an all-wheel drive, twin turbo.
[SPEAKER_00]: small, you know, reinvented there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have equal boosts.
[SPEAKER_00]: So why not just make some, I know it's going to be expensive, but like you wouldn't be excited over a twin turbo anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: All will drive Mustang.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I can't picture that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just picture old drive cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, you know, cars like this or like DMW, G eighties extra.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you look at a C a Corrette, do you think that could be all will drive?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Any Corvette.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you see that thing once you go, it messes with your head.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw it do a four wheel drift in a huge nasty circle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, I want that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, but I wanted that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he would launch it over and over and over and it would run ten six over and over and over.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a guy that has one on YouTube.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just put a set of wheels on it, has owned for a year.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just goes out there just drag races every day and it runs ten, seven, ten, six, ten, seven, six, like it's clockwork.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I'd be happy there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ford missed the performance boat.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how they're going to gain it back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe this G-D-D-V-Hunter or Colbert or whatever it is coming up will change my mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: But until I see it,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm down on Ford.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still back here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not in front of me anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of, I kind of just gone by it.
[SPEAKER_03]: shame.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it looks like there's no, uh, there's no, oh, I guess there could be a future for Ford, but hopefully they do make it turn around.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what the malaise era is?
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever heard of that term?
[SPEAKER_00]: The malaise era?
[SPEAKER_00]: In the seventies, there was a era where because of the gas crisis, cars were made like shit, like big boats that had a hundred and eighty horsepower, really low horsepower, really shitty cars, and then then then came the Dodge Omnis and the K cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: These little pieces of junk gas sipping cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think
[SPEAKER_00]: were in a malaise era for Ford when it comes to performance vehicles.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a law, others are doing better, we're just kind of doing thing, and they can come back.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can always come back, but I think this is an era of like, don't expect too much out of Ford right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, people say, what about a wipple?
[SPEAKER_00]: That is an aftermarket company.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't look at that and go, that is a Ford part.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is an aftermarket company.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: From Ford, I don't see anything that's exciting me right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have a three, fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have G.J.
[SPEAKER_00]: five hundred for the last two years.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a dark horse.
[SPEAKER_00]: A Katy Perry song.
[SPEAKER_00]: A wine.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the first song.
[SPEAKER_00]: A wine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen the wine at Target?
[SPEAKER_00]: Dark Horse?
[SPEAKER_00]: Same logo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Check it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same logo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Same fucking logo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have one of my show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I drink out of it with someone pisses me off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when I get pissed off enough, I'll leave tuning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I cross off when someone pisses me off enough and then when I'm done, I quit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I quit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, nope, I fucked this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm at the top still, so we're good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's a nice, um, it's cool looking.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good looking car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna die until a good looking car, but doesn't make you go, whoa, I need one of those.
[SPEAKER_00]: What car right now makes you, too, go?
[SPEAKER_00]: Holy shit, that thing's badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could afford it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish I could.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It involves emotion.
[SPEAKER_03]: We, like, this is not an exotic, of course, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a hundred, a hundred thousand dollar cap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cap.
[SPEAKER_00]: E-ray.
[SPEAKER_01]: E-ray.
[SPEAKER_00]: E-ray.
[SPEAKER_00]: Makes me hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crack a wall note with it hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: Damn, but there's nothing new that's like, just missed that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you paid attention much to the corporate stuff?
[SPEAKER_03]: I have, I just, they all look the same though.
[SPEAKER_03]: Of course, they'll see a body like court.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be in W's look the same month.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and honestly, if you don't get it, okay, actually, maybe maybe a, maybe an M to same same.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why I look at an M to as the only other, it reminds me of a notch back.
[SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me of a little holder.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a holder style.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a trunk.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a notch back.
[SPEAKER_00]: BMW gave you a fucking fuck spotty stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you the M-II.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you a big body, two door.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you an M-III.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you a four door.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you G-A-E-D.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you a performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you a comp.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you a freaking SUV with that motor.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you everything you wanted.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave you everything you wanted and what did Ford give us?
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave us an untunable twenty-four most thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So of course, people are going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that over there?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I was driving home and I heard something burping and I'm like, what the hell's that noise?
[SPEAKER_00]: M two low black wheels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, the white body is exhaust.
[SPEAKER_03]: It might have been stock.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like it has no this thing was loud and it was whistling and doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like the body of it has that look to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the body might be, yeah, okay, the body stock, but the wheel offset was mint the exhaust.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was blue, shiny, pretty, making all the right noises, stick shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went, stick shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bunch too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh my god, I think I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was like, I would just tool around of that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it would drive to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it reminded me of a notch back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go, that's a little notch.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little, it's a smallest version.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get a nest with the Aiden.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, they gave you everything you wanted in every package imaginable for just gave you the same S.Y.
[SPEAKER_00]: fifty with a different nose.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, of course, people are going to look over there and go, yeah, I want that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So then people just buy an F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of Chevy guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's flying off the bit like bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the coyote, gen four or five, which is the newest one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you're going to have an issue with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're going to get good miles per gallon.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be shocked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll good miles per gallon here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is getting good miles per gallon.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a comfortable daily.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the modern station wagon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if in the future, it becomes tunable.
[SPEAKER_00]: slap a blow or on it and there's your ten second truck that you can just drive anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are a low eleven second truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like that that's why I think Ford goes we're not going to fuck with the Mustang too much if they want to do other stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got seventeen versions of the F on fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got a two seven eco boost.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got a three five eco boost.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got a five leader.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got a Raptor R. We got a two fifty three.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got that's the option vehicle Mustang isn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm still like in my head on my team.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've got to be something that's less than a hundred thousand.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: E-rays the only one and the more I look at it, the more I like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't set off emotion, the performance does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, not the look of performance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, that is badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like people, people that don't know much, they'll say the zeosix is better because of the flat playing crank.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me in your mind, what does that mean to have a flat playing crank is better?
[SPEAKER_00]: This one is quicker.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one is all will drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one is cheaper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why is it better to have a flat playing crank?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it going to do for you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Except the sound, and it's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just go, oh man, this thing goes left for the crank.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean to you?
[SPEAKER_03]: This is other podcasts that literally every clip is why a zeosixer is better than any other supercar or whatever.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like they talk about zeosix every single podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: How it's like the best car ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the ERA is better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Almost every much every clip it's like dude.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yo, it's like a zeosix podcast.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you hear things like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, why is it better or flat plate?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's flat plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's flat plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: It goes like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but you need to explain to me as if why it's better because it has no torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like flat plane crank vehicles generally don't have any torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: A GT-T-T-T feels lazy as hell under five thousand RPMs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lazy as hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I need's eighty two hundred RPMs.
[SPEAKER_00]: A factory rev limiter's eighty two hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it feels good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So people go flat plate and crank.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: It means nothing to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: What makes that car special is the twelve and a half to one compression that's still under heads, the cams and the RPMs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you put it across playing crank GT-V-Hundred with the same shit, it's going to be more torque and desirable and you won't be saying flip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever heard that you will go cross playing cranks?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like no one's ever said that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: All the things that across playing cranks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, no one's ever said that, but flat playing crank for whatever reason has people believing that it's something that it isn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just a sound.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: A good sounding car is nice, but again, that's why the RHA argument, the real high output hurricane, the HL hurricane, is a better motor than any ram V-A that came in any truck ever in history except the TRX.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only one that's like, okay, V-A badass, but the R-H-O, straight, six, turbo, tunable, today, come on, it's not even close, but they're somehow excited to release the V-A in it because of the sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could you imagine people buying cars because of the sound, even though the performance works?
[SPEAKER_00]: It performs worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, um, oh, you are B guy because RB, uh, brother RB.
[SPEAKER_00]: So wait, wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, I don't know anything about the RB platform, but you got away from the S-fifth-eight to RB swap it so that it would.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got B-fth-eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: B-fth-eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why get rid of that for an RB?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the sound purely the sound?
[SPEAKER_03]: This, yeah, hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like just to be honest, like it's a sound.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not even trying to think.
[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate and be like trying to be delusioned.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, no, I just think it's sound.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it looks better.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: And which is kind of weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's less busy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Less busy.
[SPEAKER_03]: The valve covers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, the RB probably is one of the best looking motors at any other JDM motor to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like just the valve covers, RB twenty six, not the twenty five.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: But sound looks, and I think that's pretty much it, honestly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to say here and try to eat illusion when we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's just sound and looks, honestly.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's very fitting for that car.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that motor in that car with the body lines and everything, I think it fits pretty well.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting, you say that, because one of the best sounding Mustangs ever is one of the weakest, the three valve.
[SPEAKER_00]: The three valve sounds fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: The two valve sounds fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: The multis are mid-mounted in a two valve.
[SPEAKER_00]: The three valve has the multis in the back, but for whatever reason, whether it's the firing order, cylinder head design, cam, whatever, it sounds great.
[SPEAKER_00]: The coyote sounds good, but most of the douche bags that put more love below my ears away,
[SPEAKER_00]: In the car with a straight pipe, everyone thinks that's how it sounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it sounds like shit because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, Magnaflow adult series, the street series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say the adult series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Magnaflow adult series exhaust expipe and some headers and you're done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to keep the cats, keep the cats.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds wonderful.
[SPEAKER_00]: But everyone's been sold to louder is better.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they get the board attacks and the aggressive stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: sounds so tech like it's so annoying right and then go to knowing and then you hear these you know ls guy like one of the worst things I'll ever heard of the straight pipe Mustang and I'm like not every Mustang straight pipe sounds like that so then you hear like the gray goose blue goose that that car you
[SPEAKER_00]: the clip on Instagram, you should hear this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds good, it's, it was at a loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go with the fuck out, it's a coyote and they're like, no way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not sounding like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds really good, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a, I don't even know what kind of exhaust.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is not like more love, attack, or kill the ears, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a adultery.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand the sound aspect, but and maybe that's why people want to buy a Dodge truck with a V-A to keep the sound.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to get,
[SPEAKER_03]: But the performance isn't bad on the RB either if you build it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm just saying because you mentioned like people would sacrifice something just to have less performance, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So I knew if I was going to put a RB in the car, it was going to have the performance act that it's going to be fully built to the T, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: How long it's going to last?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are they less reliable than S-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now people would be like, generally, generally, because the B-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-f-
[SPEAKER_03]: Honestly, that's not even true either because you have to, what do you have oil pump gears for a Mustang?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it mean it's a shitty platform because of that?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Once you assess the issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Pretty good.
[SPEAKER_03]: So once you assess the oil issues with the same thing actually.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, oil pump.
[SPEAKER_03]: The gears, they break chatter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they put billet ones in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Billet ones exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's kind of similar.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of things to do to black off wheels, oil galleries, and the black and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But once you figure out the oil and you're good, it'll live.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I'm kind of blown away that I see some podcasts and other people talk about like, you know, this stock motor holds fifteen thousand horsepower and I'm like, okay, you know, we know some people can make some power for how long who knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: I generally don't know the deficiencies of some of the platforms that would make it desirable or undesirable, but I see a lot of people running a certain number with a S or B fifty eight and then are being not so much, but you say mostly because we never got it right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We never got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that people aren't aware.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got the two J here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two J two J two J people are like well, which is which is great.
[SPEAKER_03]: And honestly, it's it's
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a better.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a better motor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Technically it hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did that hurt?
[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like your face was like, I feel like people.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just better motor.
[SPEAKER_03]: People just feel like it's like they think you're delusional.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, oh, why would you put that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Why?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's always the why would you do something like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's an internal struggle with Mustang guys like a dinosaur four point six five point four five point eight guys swear to God that that motor is better than the coyote because one guy one time went fives with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's not the case with RB, but I feel you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: These guys are going like these guys are running sixes with with the RB.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's and sounds great.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The way they chop is pretty nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, this is pretty.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand the sound aspect, but I became a coyote fan because of right off the rip.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can make power and it's literally no modifications except
[SPEAKER_00]: boost, which have to save up for.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people say, well, why can't I work my way up to something?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, because the cost per output, it's just not worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would just wait, wait, wait, wait.
[SPEAKER_00]: F, one, fifty, chill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do your thing podcast hits a million subs, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden, hey, I'm here's a whip over Twin Turbos.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, I'm doing good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I honestly, I think you're in a good spot if you get a brand new one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause you know, terms are better, financing better, interest rates better.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still a coyote.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you can get into one quadcap, not a shortbed regular cab.
[SPEAKER_00]: And be happy for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then once you throw boost at it, whether it's a wipple, a pro charger, whatever you want to throw in there, I think at Tempsi on Pumpcast, you'll be so happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, I don't need anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got my Supra if I want to go fast and fuck around.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this will be my day.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, just a toe, just a toe.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they say.
[SPEAKER_00]: I started looking at super charges for the escalator.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, I think good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like shut the hell up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look at Brembo Brakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look at blowers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a sickness.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a sickness and I understand it because I have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a matter of, you know, like, tamping it down and knowing that, you know, you're crazy for doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm growing up because I, I, I understood that racing had no future in it for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's nothing but broke.
[SPEAKER_00]: bank accounts with hundred percent comes to racing because first why are you racing right I sat down when talk I'll be honest I had come to Jesus moment why am I racing who am I who am I trying to impress are those people my peers
[SPEAKER_00]: Am I satisfied after a race weekend?
[SPEAKER_00]: And everything was no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything was no.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went, huh, who are my peers?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who are the people I want to hang out with?
[SPEAKER_00]: The garage we're in right now was a guy that used to race all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stop racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not as pretty bad as garage, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, I wonder if this can be, you know, something similar because you have to make, don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: He probably raised tomorrow if he could.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's one of those things where he's just like it's not a it's not like I'm not chasing something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I try to be the man for who for Facebook for some group you like who I said not and then when I started building cars to go on the street like I have a G.D.
[SPEAKER_00]: five hundred and that is that was an all-out race car turbo four hundred people
[SPEAKER_00]: I made it into a street car and I could drive that sucker every day makes about eight hundred wheel right now maybe nine and I could catch a race and it's Temperatures good manual now instead of a turbo four hundred and I'm like this is fun I could take it on the cool night and do my thing catch a race here and there park it back in the park back in the garage and I'm good as opposed to tow it somewhere race
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, some people just, I get it, it may be their business, maybe their engine builders, chassis builders, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I saw the future in racing wasn't for me, and I got into more street car stuff, you can catch more races, just messing around on the street here in Palm Beach County, and it was more satisfying for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's when I started kind of seeing the, me kind of distancing my way from the hardcore racer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And believe it or not, as a tuner, I try to, I hate to say I'm preachy,
[SPEAKER_00]: I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, well, I just want to go sevens.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why?
[SPEAKER_00]: For who?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, no, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that's just the logical next step.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, based on who?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, fuck you right, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just build it to go eight, fifties.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, ah, there we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they go eight, fifties to a test and tune and drive it home.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're happy to shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, if you can't do that in a modern vehicle,
[SPEAKER_00]: Meaning, have it do everything it can do and be as quick as possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It becomes less desirable for people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So right now, you can only do certain things on the newer platforms or nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they stick to the old stuff or build old stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those things where based on my experience, there's been a lot of evolutions as to why I want to vehicle sound performance this and this and that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I want really fast street cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: really stressed street cars is I'd love to have a a hundred to a thousand horsepower street car with AC.
[SPEAKER_03]: old street car, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pump, pump, eighty five, and be a happy cat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to tow your car, five hundred miles away, and race for four days, and come back, ten thousand dollars, leaner in your pocket.
[SPEAKER_00]: God bless you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just just not something I want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it took a lot of like maturing sort of to kind of figure that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know where we're going with this, but it was one of those things where I see people chase something that
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't know why they're chasing and I think they do that with platforms Yeah, they want to be the next okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh you I met people that were fast on one platform Everyone hated them because he was a douchebag, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he completely left that platform and went to this platform that nobody knew him and you came to do a spag there, too And I went what do you do what what's the goal just to be the douchebag of every platform?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was odd to me so I was just like I'm not looking to impress anybody in any platform.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking to have fun and
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a simple dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go out, blow off some steam, come back home, car still running.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm happy cats.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that should be everybody's goal.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's why I also love this shortly a lot too, because everything's like street cars over there.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're big on like having street cars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Australia.
[SPEAKER_03]: Big on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it don't drive on the street, it ain't shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, but even even their race car stuff is on the street.
[SPEAKER_03]: Even like the world's fastest RB.
[SPEAKER_03]: The black one, the black one, if it's a street car, like windows, everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like a car.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't look like a machine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that to me is desirable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're good at doing that over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they have like crazy rotaries and crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they have, you know, big, you know, uh, blow or sticking out of the hood, but they drive them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They drive them somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, that's desirable to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was one of those guys that I thought I wanted to go and just
[SPEAKER_00]: campaign all over the country, and I'm like, for what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Who am I going to impress?
[SPEAKER_00]: I've met people that have campaigned on these racing events, and nobody knows their name, nobody knows who they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're winners too.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very good at the craft.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like, why'd you do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: For you, and they're like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought it was the next logical step, so I did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like getting caught in a wave and you're like, I guess I'm gonna ride it because I'm caught in it as opposed to stopping and going, why am I doing this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then going, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want to do this or not?
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that you're doing is great because it's gonna be like, you need to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sound you're gonna like, people are gonna be like, you could promote it, you could enjoy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a platform that you like, you like how the engine looks.
[SPEAKER_00]: People might say, you suck, you're doing something stupid, but fuck them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know if that's really about me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You really?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but the people say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't know why you're doing that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why don't you put a two-day in there to Toyota?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not got a ton of the two-day stuff, but I honestly like chances are those people who say that could not afford to put a RB in a Subaru.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting, you say that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm not even saying that just talk about, but because it's expensive.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hurting my pockets a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: However, the sacrifices have already been made.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, where are the fastest and best racers at a racetrack?
[SPEAKER_03]: Where are they?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where are they?
[SPEAKER_00]: When you go to a racetrack, where are the best racers located at a racetrack?
[SPEAKER_00]: The best ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the stands.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got one of those in the garage.
[SPEAKER_00]: I used to be fast in that guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, wait, I have to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back in my day, I used to every single time you go to online is the new stands.
[SPEAKER_00]: that car sucks then you look at his profile picture going like he's doing this and this is literally a trailer and you're like and then you go okay do I punk him or do I go and you're like no he's just he is the guy in the stands growing up every guy in the stands would show up to watch racers race but he would swear to god he is the baddest mf on the planet
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the guy's online right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, they'll try to make fun of your situation like they know your situation, but they don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just frustrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, ah, boo, like baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fans like boo, you suck.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, bro, you try to hit the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're not in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're gonna hate from afar.
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, if you don't got haters, you ain't, you're not doing anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the one thing I wish I looked at everything that way with the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: is what it is man like I don't know it's most people aren't gonna do it like I said so you know it's gonna probably happen with you if you do get a death from fifty you're gonna end up in the Mustangs sooner or later you're gonna go damn damn this truck is nice this truck is nice this truck is nice I would get a GT-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T
[SPEAKER_03]: What a DT-five on you.
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like, yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what a GT would look like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I feel like a Boss number two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, Boss number two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Solid axle.
[SPEAKER_00]: You hit a curb.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing just switches the lane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, it got to be a DT-five.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I told you that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you said you'd f with one of these.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it, but it's a beautiful car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but like, it's in us like fifty.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like bolt on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a GT-five hundred though.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But so to why, but I don't look at it as some bad ass thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go, I have a GT and the GT by a hundred and I go, I like both because they look the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could swap engines, like a swap engine.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or I can get a Shelby.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a Shelby F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F
[SPEAKER_00]: if there's a way to put it on the car if there's a way like a you think you think in your heart of hearts if you buy a Shelby up on fifty that it is special over a regular up on fifty if you see okay if you see a regular up on fifty pull up next to a Shelby which one you jump which one are you going to take oh if I see a Shelby F-one fifty next to a regular one yeah what am I doing with it
[SPEAKER_00]: What am I doing with it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Lookwise, I'm talking my presentation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like when you see the two together.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate Shelby stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I hate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the badging.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the snake.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the I hate the stripes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it looks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a hater.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Shelby number one hate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Shelby Hader.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Shelby American.
[SPEAKER_00]: They put that stupid logo on the on socks.
[SPEAKER_00]: They put it on luggage.
[SPEAKER_00]: They put it on Hawaiian shirts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't give a fuck about Shelby Badging stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I look at an F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M-F-M
[SPEAKER_00]: You know the VIN number comes back as F-one-fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't come back as Shelby.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, you gotta, I know I sound crazy right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was people on the comments like this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tuxes is bugging, but yeah now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you look at it, you go, it's different looking and it has an aggressive look.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just look, just look.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I see a Shelby F-two-fifty diesel, I go, what Shelby, you know, it's just, you guys tacked on thirty thousand bucks by putting three logos on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really Shelby Hader because Shelby's gonna call my boss ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this son of a bitch has a good fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that would be a feather on my cap.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that'd be a feather on my cap if Shelby called my boss.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't see anything special about the F-one-fifty variant because it's the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just look, this is a bumper.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the only thing I can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so why don't you buy a Mustang and put a Shelby bullshit on it?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not the same thing though.
[SPEAKER_03]: How do you mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the second and the same thing because they have fun with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nah, that's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think for these, the truck is bad ass.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Paint match, everything like, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Paint match.
[SPEAKER_03]: You got a paint match, everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got a whole paint paint match over the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know how to present it.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't get that crap, that plastic shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: You get that like the nice paint match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would support, I would be happy for you if you can describe everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just personally would not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alejandro Flores would not buy Shelby.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to buy one and then pull up to his house and surprise him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you've seen this reaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, apparently in the internet, I live in a one one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I live in a can apparently, so you have to find the can.
[SPEAKER_00]: I live in on the ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, kick the can and I'll come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: back to your original talking point about buying in f-one fifty it's probably the best vehicle you can buy it's so utility and if you ever in the future want to go racing with it you can even if it's a quadcap it's just a coyote it's a ten or eight who's racing a quadcap though uh midnight
[SPEAKER_00]: Midnight performance had a nine second if I'm not mistaken quadcat twin-turbo truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was twin-turbo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Talking racing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And nine second twin-turbo?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was nine second twin-turbo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's been eight second quadcat trucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, twin-turbo though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, plasma man, bill motor, thirty-peat, you know, stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: I in second do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want to go nine second in the truck?
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't feel fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's big.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the win resistance.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird, but it's not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, it's scare me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eleven's in a fox body.
[SPEAKER_00]: You think you're going to die because it's just rattling and it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, thirty PSI.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's say low-knives is pretty, it'd be pretty pretty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I probably wouldn't want to go low-knives in a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a square brick going down the, I probably wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we don't even know how fast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, those guys are going either, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, those are different levels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are those are guys going.
[SPEAKER_00]: But wait, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's two quarters though.
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't want to go above.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, there's an eighth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can kind of like make the, the, the, the, the.
[SPEAKER_00]: They posted times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they post draggy, and you know how draggy is.
[SPEAKER_03]: So what, what are the, what are the eighth mile times?
[SPEAKER_03]: Five, fifty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so what is the five you're doing according something eight seventy right and then and some have posted low five five three two which is like low eights.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a high seven.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a high seven on the street with a truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, it's, again, not the quadcap.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Full build RCSB.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, when they post a dragging of like off of a five, two in the eighth, you're like, that's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a seven, ninety.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's fast.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to get a truck built by midnight, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to send my truck over there and see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every truck I see come out of there where they campaign it is it's deadly fast whether it's a stock computer truck or a full build field tech or whatever it's pretty damn fast so they they got that game lock on have that money yeah, yeah, it's getting more so then you should be good to know
[SPEAKER_03]: This has been a great and fantastic conversation once again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully we spoke about a lot of things that people wanted to know this time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Last time it was more general stuff and obviously a little bit back around so on.
[SPEAKER_03]: We just speak about fuel too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I try to stay away from a lot of ethanol conversations because they can get misconstrued and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I try to be very specific about applications that I've seen where this is what it requires.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the limitations and I try to like
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't say anything based on the theory, I'm based it on what I've seen, application, and how it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I speak out of turn on that,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's rare because it's usually something I've seen that I talk about that I can say definitely seen it many times verifiable, whether it's an injector thing, whether it's pressure thing, whether it's pressure drop, fuel needs, needs for boost levels, like, again, the twenty four Mustang and me is not great because you can only put predator fifty five's in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a safety factor that I'm not comfortable going past.
[SPEAKER_00]: if you only have fifty five pound injectors that's the only injector why because wipple has to make a emissions friendly tune and the only injector that is allowed to be tuned by them for carbo verification or whatever is the predator fifty five you can't get an ID one thousand a pass carb you can't get a detour ninety five to pass carb it has to be a predator fifty five
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they're like, well, that's all you got because it's legal or carb EO and then jack a pressure and go out there and run an eight and hopefully it doesn't blow up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like that is crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just talking a little irresponsibly for the sake of going fast and it's just not something I subscribe to.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm glad I got my fuel clip out of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Last one because
[SPEAKER_03]: At least we talked about something.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should have at least four or five clips on this guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, we got a lot of clips.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I appreciate your time in and obviously for making this happen as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank him.
[SPEAKER_00]: This gentleman has been very nice and generous and I wanted you to have a comfortable nice place to do your podcast in because my place is junk like I mean, I don't know how do you fit all this stuff in my place, but I wanted you to have nice backdrop and relaxing atmosphere to have some fun and talk car stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: And also, we just speak about some memberships, which is you, you inspired me to, to make that happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: So hopefully, once I figure it out, I guess, I'll look, this is what you guys need to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy is doing something that a lot of people have tried to imitate a lot of people have tried to copy, but he sticks with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has done a
[SPEAKER_00]: complete world tour of learning from the time he started versus now he knows a lot more stuff he's investing the time he's hustling he's moved to an area where it's popping and if you guys want to support him you should become a member of this channel and it could be something very small but it's at least something that he can count on so he can do more of it have more equipment count on count on a monthly nut to be able to get you more content better content and I think that's something that you should consider because
[SPEAKER_00]: YouTube only pays so much and you don't know how the algorithm is one day could be this Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I appreciate that a lot.
[SPEAKER_03]: You definitely inspired me that conversation we had about how I was setting up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, damn, maybe I should.
[SPEAKER_03]: People have asked about it, like I said to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I feel bad, like I need to give something, you know, but like, I mean, some people, I guess, just want to look at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, people have literally come up to my me or my show, like, how can I support outside of YouTube so that they don't take thirty percent?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then there's other avenues that I looked at, I'm like, how about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And two hundred people signed up like that, and I went, wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like a mortgage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, wow, what do I provide?
[SPEAKER_00]: More time, more attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if you were to explore that, I think you'd get a lot of support.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I appreciate that man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was working and I'm like, no way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think about it like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely get a Shelby truck then.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get the Shelby truck.
[SPEAKER_03]: How many members should I need to get a Shelby truck?
[SPEAKER_03]: Depending on the tier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, a hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: Easy.
[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: No way.
[SPEAKER_00]: A hundred people.
[SPEAKER_03]: A hundred people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Shelby truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: A Shelby truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: You buying the cash.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you doing the monthly nut?
[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, monkey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's say you put ten grand down, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you need what, uh, seven hundred eight hundred bucks a month to afford a eighty thousand dollar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever the hell it is, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So eight hundred bucks a month if you have how many people need to sign up at ten or fifteen bucks a month to be eight hundred bucks a month?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's your math.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now what if double or triple do that?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they just want to support because they like you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I watch you shit all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in the background.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, and you know, some people say ridiculous stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people say fun stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some people say factual stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, it's entertainment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that some people pay for terrible podcasts like on Spotify and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: They pay a monthly nut to listen to shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: like, you know, girls talking about dating and stuff and I'm just like, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually something I listen to and if I'm able to support you, imagine, imagine, we announced this, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're out there and you start a membership program and immediately you get support and it changes your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: It changes what you can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: It changes the type of venue you can be in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say you start a, you know, a permanent podcast place where people come to you, you don't go to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right right and you could fly them in you could flew them in and do whatever they want to do right and then you can and then you're like this is a legit pot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a traveling podcast anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to just build like a warehouse where people come to me and I would just do any of you some given to me ideas man.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean like it's been done already, but I think the support
[SPEAKER_00]: can be there for this type of platform, because nobody else is doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The way you're doing it, people are trying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen the copycat they come and go, but you've been hustling and grinding for a while, so I can't imagine people won't support you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will.
[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, I help.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though you guys think I'm an asshole and a douchebag, I try to help.
[SPEAKER_00]: People, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's exceed or do better, but I've done it.
[SPEAKER_00]: People support me and I have like tiny little channel.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think you've got to hit at that hundred thousand soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, you said that last year, that was in still the same spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: You even do a car.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been like, you know, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I don't gain like, ten thousand a month.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like five hundred.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think right now it's just tough with the car stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you'll get a lot of support more than you think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just give it a shot because if you're getting those type of views, people watch people support people like you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not abrasive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm abrasive of people so support me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So imagine if you're not abrasive, but I'm brutally just brutally honest.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Clearly like.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, thank you so much, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: And for the people who are watching this for the first time and enough familiar with who you are, of course, after.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just let them know what it finds in the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can find me on YouTube.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: For slash five o' Alex, F-I-V-E-O-H-A-L-E-X, or just type in Y-D-B-T.
[SPEAKER_00]: Y-D-B-T, just type that in anywhere, and I'll show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You also can go to Patreon, Patreon.com for slash Y-D-B-T.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of an Instagram.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want you hitting up on Instagram.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuck all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: RichBritz.com for slash Y-D-B-T.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can get these in red, brown, green, long, cleave, short, cleave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just wear it at your favorite track next time you go any event.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go wear these.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you guys have it.
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