[SPEAKER_06]: It's episode twelve, fifty-four, and it's the relevant podcast here in Orlando.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm your host Cameron Strang, and joining me from Nashville.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's Artis Producer, Mogul Derek Minor.
[SPEAKER_06]: Was that just on the street there, or managing it, or down town in Libreon?
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, y'all.
[SPEAKER_06]: And in LA.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know it from social club misfits.
[SPEAKER_07]: He's now a label owner artist producer himself.
[SPEAKER_07]: It's Marty.
[SPEAKER_07]: Howdy.
[SPEAKER_08]: I just got off a cruise so like my language is starting to shift a little bit because of, you know, you're just a mix of people.
[SPEAKER_06]: You went to Alaska.
[SPEAKER_06]: What?
[SPEAKER_06]: They don't say how are you on a cruise to Alaska?
[SPEAKER_08]: You have to understand the whole staff is Indian and Filipino.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Everybody on the cruise is from Ohio.
[SPEAKER_08]: They're right.
[SPEAKER_08]: So like you have like the weirdest mix of Ohio with
[SPEAKER_05]: like Briani chicken like you know what I'm saying like it was it's none of those groups are known for saying the word howdy the white guys they say howdy a little bit a little bit maybe I don't know for Texas maybe I don't know well I just got back from Seattle when this Seattle to say the cruise would go out of Seattle a shout out to Seattle but that has to be the widest place on planning earth it is a weird
[SPEAKER_08]: Okay, just on the walking through Seattle, tell me your story there.
[SPEAKER_08]: But let me tell you mine really quick.
[SPEAKER_08]: Walking through Seattle, you'll see a young cool family that looks like Judas Smith's family, you know, like they're all wearing like oversized cool clothes.
[SPEAKER_08]: And then you'll see a guy with no shirt, a JBL boom box punching the air.
[SPEAKER_08]: Just like nobody there's no one's messing with each other.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like we're all walking by like it's it's become normal and I'm like okay like should I be worried about this guy who like looks tattered and like he's like punching the air and listening to like red man and then we're there's like a family of four here is getting brunch at like
[SPEAKER_06]: Is the weird is the weird stuff from Portland drifting up to Seattle because I know that Portland was chaotic.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, I don't know if there's a difference because I've only spent a little time in Portland.
[SPEAKER_05]: I haven't been in Portland long enough to really absorb what it's actually like, but I spent three days in Seattle and Seattle was like
[SPEAKER_05]: It's the you have Microsoft.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they call Microsoft City.
[SPEAKER_05]: You have Microsoft.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you got these like you said on Judas Smith.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, and super affluent fly white dudes and then there's a guy with in a plaid shirt sitting on a ground smoking a blunt.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and or he's skateboarding and he's just
[SPEAKER_05]: flicking everybody off while he's getting really we saw we saw do double fisting.
[SPEAKER_05]: Blunts he had a joint in one hand he had a weed we joined another and a blunt other he's like smoking smoke and he's like double fisting the joint and it's I'm like I've seen the double fist with the beers in the south but I've never seen the
[SPEAKER_05]: double jointed.
[SPEAKER_05]: So Portland, obviously the double jointed.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I ain't seen the Seattle has money because of Boeing, Amazon, Microsoft, you know, tech is up there.
[SPEAKER_06]: So they got money like you just said Portland has no money.
[SPEAKER_06]: So it's all the other people.
[SPEAKER_06]: The nine money people have migrated.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know if you know I'm talking like they make candles.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if that makes sense, but it does.
[SPEAKER_05]: I want to pipe pipe place market was dope, though.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what Mark was fire.
[SPEAKER_05]: Did you catch any fish?
[SPEAKER_05]: No, we didn't.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, now we didn't do the, I didn't do the fish catch, but I did order, they ship fish like direct to you.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we went and ordered like some brimondian, all that different stuff and had that ship.
[SPEAKER_05]: So pipe place was dope.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: I enjoyed that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did you see the gun wall down there?
[SPEAKER_05]: I wasn't interested in going down there to see that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to see that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not going to see that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to see that.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to see that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to see that.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to see that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going to see that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not going
[SPEAKER_05]: There's one in every city almost.
[SPEAKER_05]: There's a pedal tavern part next to it.
[SPEAKER_05]: And that's where you start your pedal tavern.
[SPEAKER_08]: I didn't really see Adela is so much like San Francisco in terms of like everything is on an angle.
[SPEAKER_08]: I didn't realize that.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like where we were, you know, it's like a hill.
[SPEAKER_08]: Everything is off a hill.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I always knew San Francisco was like that, but never see Adela.
[SPEAKER_05]: everything is off a hill.
[SPEAKER_05]: So you have to walk four blocks in Nashville and four blocks in Seattle is four different blocks.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, it depends on what part of the city because once you get down to the water, it's pretty flat, but like, yeah, the hills and all surrounding go over to the mountains and stuff.
[SPEAKER_08]: And so they were saying they were mad in the nineties when they called a Microsoft city and they owned like fifty percent of the office space.
[SPEAKER_08]: So they also said that apparently maybe you guys know more about this but close by they're building like an Amazon city like literally a city with buildings and like a full city.
[SPEAKER_08]: for Amazon because of all the people that they employ and so they're doing that in your testing.
[SPEAKER_06]: One in Virginia, they're like building a huge campus as residential and offices and everything.
[SPEAKER_06]: So if you want to leave, you can work twenty four seven.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Derek, why are you in Seattle?
[SPEAKER_06]: Just vacation.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, when we went to hang out with some friends, we had a couple of friends up there, so we decided to go out and spend a time with them.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just do some different church home.
[SPEAKER_05]: Just do something.
[SPEAKER_06]: You can have to catch it the once a month that they actually meet.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you were on a cruise, right, Marty.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I was on a cruise.
[SPEAKER_08]: We won't go.
[SPEAKER_08]: Let me tell you something.
[SPEAKER_08]: Alaska's gorgeous, but the highlight for me.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hospital City.
[SPEAKER_08]: I would move to if I ever had to Victoria.
[SPEAKER_08]: a capital of British Columbia island.
[SPEAKER_08]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: You tell you something we stayed there and I fell in love with it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I fell in love with everything about it.
[SPEAKER_08]: And it was probably, I mean, it was an incredible trip.
[SPEAKER_08]: We saw, we went whale watching.
[SPEAKER_08]: I literally saw whales jumping out of the water.
[SPEAKER_08]: We went these old trains.
[SPEAKER_08]: We did everything.
[SPEAKER_08]: All the commercial stuff.
[SPEAKER_08]: My dad just
[SPEAKER_08]: My whole family went, it was like thirteen of us, fourteen of us.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're all, you could kind of hear in my voice like we all have like, I don't know if you've been on a cruise, you know you're gonna leave sick almost.
[SPEAKER_08]: So we all have like sinus infections.
[SPEAKER_08]: I really think it's because Seattle, the forest, everywhere we were in Alaska, I've never left sick off a cruise.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just for anybody think about going to a cruise.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've never left a cruise sick.
[SPEAKER_06]: That might be a Marty's family.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got every single cruise I've ever been on.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, it's probably because I stopped looking at my emails.
[SPEAKER_08]: It might be because I went to their buffet at the end of the cruise, you know, and let me tell you something.
[SPEAKER_08]: There are no rules on a cruise.
[SPEAKER_08]: None.
[SPEAKER_08]: It is the airport.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_08]: People are eating shrimp cocktail at nine a.m.
[SPEAKER_08]: people are pizza three a.m.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, um, and they're slippers.
[SPEAKER_08]: They come down row and get some pizza three a.m.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_08]: It is
[SPEAKER_08]: complete and then the other thing about being on the cruise you can order multiple items so you have people at a table ordering like yeah I'll take uh can I have four of the lamb and then three chicken palm it's just pure debauchery people ordering seven different types of desserts people are just they're it's like Vegas on a you know on a ship it's just pure
[SPEAKER_06]: I never knew, I mean, I've been cruising forever, but I never knew that you could do the multiple, you know, order multiple entries at the fancy dinners.
[SPEAKER_06]: Until one time, we were, like, the Port Canaveral's thirty miles from here.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, like, so last minute cruises was kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so we'd be like a Friday to Monday.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'd see like on Tuesday that, oh, it's going to the islands is ninety nine bucks for the weekend.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we would just spontaneously go on we can cruise as pretty regularly.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, a lot of Floridians do.
[SPEAKER_06]: So one time we were at a table.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is before I learned to always ask for the two per string table.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like I am not the small talk with strangers person.
[SPEAKER_06]: But anyway, we this particular trip we were and we were at a table and like there's a couple from Haynes City.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if you know Haynes City Florida, it's like the meth Florida, the Florida, the Florida is Haynes City Florida.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: So there's a couple in there.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a big anniversary weekend for them.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the lady, you know, we all placed our orders.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the lady said I would like one of everything.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And literally they brought her every single entry on the menu.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I didn't know you could do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a game changer.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, dude.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: She was like, we're here for our anniversary.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm living it up and she ordered everything on the menu.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is free food.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're gonna eat all of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_06]: They're not gonna waste a morsel.
[SPEAKER_08]: There's no shame on a cruise, too.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like they encourage it.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's what's even we're like we're ordering food and my waiter John who shout out to John and World Caribbean.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's incredible.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're in quantum of the seas and he'll be like, yeah, you shouldn't get that.
[SPEAKER_08]: Get this instead of he's like, I was like, are you sure he's like, I'll bring both.
[SPEAKER_08]: Don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I was like, okay.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, no, bro talks.
[SPEAKER_08]: They call it, but it's not, it's literally, it's like saltiness from like McDonald's fries.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like everything is like that level.
[SPEAKER_06]: I feel like of salt.
[SPEAKER_06]: Before you came on, Marty was telling us that he has aging goals.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_06]: Pedro Pascal is my agent.
[SPEAKER_06]: He has specific Botox references because he wants to grow in his wrinkles a specific way.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like who is it who you're in spiritual Pascal?
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: In John Stamos.
[SPEAKER_06]: John James, he want the trophy to be right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Here's the thing, my family doesn't have like my grandfather.
[SPEAKER_08]: He aged really cool.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I want to age like that.
[SPEAKER_08]: I want to age like the Marble man.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_08]: Like I want to age like tombs the movie tombstone.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't even do anything.
[SPEAKER_05]: You don't need to add both of them.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't maintain my weight.
[SPEAKER_08]: My chin goes right to my chest.
[SPEAKER_08]: I just have my neck just, it goes like this.
[SPEAKER_08]: Is that how your dad is?
[SPEAKER_08]: No, no, my dad, my mom has been skinny my whole life.
[SPEAKER_08]: My sisters are skinny, but for me, I almost have like the Santiago gene where like we have football player next.
[SPEAKER_08]: And like, yeah, I should have, I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I'm like trying to prevent all these different things.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, it was my birth this week was Emily's birthday, too.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, you know, you start thinking about how you want to age and how you want to be perceived never in my life thought about how I want to.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's why I'm from Miami where everyone's so vain.
[SPEAKER_08]: And so I think that's why.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, but don't
[SPEAKER_06]: look like you're from Miami.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_06]: There's a look that people from Miami have after a certain age.
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't get that look.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, no, no, you don't want to be cat face.
[SPEAKER_08]: They call it a guest at this conversation.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because that is going to age perfectly.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's got black don't crack.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, like melanin skin they you guys age perfectly.
[SPEAKER_08]: I you know, I'm tan I got like if I if I go in the sun I get all of and that's great, but I started my like I have family members their skin looks like a basketball, you know, I don't explain that and I was like It's like a lot of realistic
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, they're that level of tan, like a level of, like, tan, like a TGR Friday is mozzarella stick.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, they're that two tan.
[SPEAKER_08]: You put that mozzarella stick and they're that color.
[SPEAKER_08]: Because these Sicilians, they just sit in the sun all day and drink wine.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's all they do.
[SPEAKER_08]: It teaches.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sounds like a guy I want to aid.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's a big thing for them to have peaches and wine and sit in the sun all day.
[SPEAKER_08]: No water.
[SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, like, they're all very just
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_05]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's like my mom right there, sitting in the sun with a tan reflector.
[SPEAKER_08]: Well, my mom's like, hey guys, I brought, like, this is how Italian my family is.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, you go to the theme park people bring like, hey, here's a ham and cheese sandwich.
[SPEAKER_08]: Not my mom.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hey, guys, I have eggplant parmesan.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's in this container.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_08]: Like my mom bought a sub.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like this.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like two inches thick of like gabagool and like moots and I, you know, like it's just my mom brought as a snack like to olives.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, olives and tomatoes like we're not eating chips.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're so I'm trying to make that way.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's that's the goal for me guys.
[SPEAKER_04]: See, I had a teacher in elementary school who she was Italian and she tanned so much like she had I think she looked a lot older than she actually was.
[SPEAKER_04]: She had like leathery skin.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Remember, even in fifth grade, her talking about like guys, you've got to wear sunscreen like you've got her skin like like she was like warning us, but then she would still go tan.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it was a little bit of a mix messaging there, but shout out Ms.
[SPEAKER_04]: Asnickle's shoes.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Jersey Shore is a goal for a lot of people, you know, Snookie.
[SPEAKER_08]: I want the Snookie color.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm not sure of this, but there was this girl.
[SPEAKER_05]: I went to my school.
[SPEAKER_05]: I won't name her.
[SPEAKER_05]: Shout out, Sarah.
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[SPEAKER_08]: That's the best way to explain it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like the deep fried brown, like light brown, like a perfect mozzarella.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's what they want to be.
[SPEAKER_08]: I feel like saying, well, yeah, the cruise is great.
[SPEAKER_05]: All right.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's awesome, guys.
[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you for asking me.
[SPEAKER_08]: No son.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_08]: No son.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not used to being for me a vacation equals like sunlight and beach.
[SPEAKER_08]: Just the first time everyone on vacation where we went on a nature walk through like a beautiful, you know, forest.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_08]: Your videos look amazing though.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like from the train and stuff.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, the whales that we saw.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, we were right in front of Glacier Glaciers and stuff.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was, it was a once, I mean, my wife.
[SPEAKER_08]: She's not like emotional.
[SPEAKER_08]: She like cried.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was like, wanted to make fun of her.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was like, are you crying?
[SPEAKER_08]: She was so like touched that she got to see nature in these beautiful moments.
[SPEAKER_08]: She was like, so grateful.
[SPEAKER_08]: She's a crime.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, why are you?
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, I can't believe I've never seen my wife cry on a whale boat.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like whale watch out.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I did that in one of the Bayes in California, like not Montego Bay, Monterey Bay or something like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Some out there coming down the PCH.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was driving from San Francisco to LA along the PCH and then there stops.
[SPEAKER_06]: And like one of the halfway points stayed over Moro Bay.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's it, Moro Bay.
[SPEAKER_06]: went out on well watching in the morning early had my son and my girlfriend with me and I was very excited about this and we go out and it was super choppy that day and they both get completely seasick like to the point that they're inside the boat can't lift their heads throwing up left and right and I'm fine so I'm out like just you know trying to make the best of it and then all of a sudden we get surrounded by a pot of hot backwales and they're all breaching like literally within like
[SPEAKER_06]: twenty feet of the boat just jumping the kids are all over humpback whales.
[SPEAKER_06]: These are huge all over the place.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm taking pictures photos.
[SPEAKER_06]: They didn't even see it.
[SPEAKER_06]: We get back to the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was like, that was unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they're like, what happened?
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm showing the videos of the thing that we just experienced, but man, we're watching already in the morning.
[SPEAKER_05]: These videos are crazy.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, if I hear DJ's playing making us fall in love again by usher one more time I felt like the guy on a forty-year old virgin he's like if I hear Michael McDonald one more time I'm gonna hurt myself and everybody else in the store like going on this cruise if I hear another usher song DJ guys, I'm my head's gonna explode like that's all they play to do karaoke I did
[SPEAKER_08]: I tried to do karaoke.
[SPEAKER_08]: There were so many people doing karaoke, especially like the Indian guys on the, they were one guy did the gorilla song, feel good ink and he nailed the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: But it was like with an Indian accent, so it was kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, you see the video going around over the last week that like it was on a cruise and in the it was karaoke and it was all black women.
[SPEAKER_06]: The entire audience was middle aged black.
[SPEAKER_06]: I wish it was and a little white a white kid like twenty two year old white guy goes up to sing and all the sudden he starts singing Keith sweat and did hear that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, they're I was it's the best karaoke video.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm a multi-guyspumps.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I fell off with the mother.
[SPEAKER_06]: What the?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: He was sitting down right.
[SPEAKER_08]: He was like sitting down nonchalantly like.
[SPEAKER_08]: Right.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's such a good one.
[SPEAKER_06]: is good.
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, all right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, we have a great show coming up.
[SPEAKER_06]: We talked to Dallas Jenkins.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's the creator of the chosen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Obviously, huge mega hit the chosen hit streaming this week on Amazon.
[SPEAKER_06]: So he's joining us the new season is now available to be watched each week.
[SPEAKER_06]: They'll be releasing new episodes.
[SPEAKER_06]: So we talked to Dallas at the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_06]: We have one has to go, but stay tuned right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: Up next is relevant buzz.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, it's time for relevant buzz.
[SPEAKER_06]: Tell us what's happening at the intersection of faith and culture this week, Emily.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, my first buzz, I don't mind what I'm going to talk about is something that I'm actually really interested to get there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm already stats on.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not sure if y'all saw it, I'll well y'all are traveling last week, but Ronny Jerkins and John Keith were on the breakfast club, and they were talking about, you know, like Ronny Scoreer, his new Christian hip-hop Louis Williams alive, and then John Keith was also there to talk about his new music.
[SPEAKER_04]: But toward the end of the segment, they got into a really interesting conversation about how a lot of faith-based music just still isn't taken seriously by the industry.
[SPEAKER_04]: And before we get into it, I want you to hear what Ronnie has to say.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Cameron, can you play the clip?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why is it so quick that we are so quick to play music from people who play their experiences or what they go through, what their lifestyle is?
[SPEAKER_02]: But when someone on the face side is hard to play that, why is that?
[SPEAKER_02]: What's what's what's the factor of it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: because people used to say, oh, yeah, well, that's cheesy.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they were like, oh, that's corny, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, well, then I'm gonna be the difference maker in that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm gonna find some artists that ain't corny.
[SPEAKER_02]: That y'all can bog your hands too, still listen to, still groove, too, that and that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they got a message with it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: So then when I came across, I was like, he's one of the ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's keeping, he's telling you his story, telling you what he's going through.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's telling you that when he was a little bit about doing his life and where the change came, it didn't come from just sitting down and getting some help from talking to somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: It came for him, what he's to say, a Bible nerd digging deep into his word, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and if that becomes an ultimate change, how can that help someone else?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, but honestly, that's what we kind of grew up on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, when you think about, like, the artists we grew up on, like, they were doing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, it may have been in a street form or whatever you want to call, but if you actually listen to the music, there's a lot of socially redeeming value in the music.
[SPEAKER_02]: But why don't they play it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't they play the ones?
[SPEAKER_02]: So is it because they, because they edify Christ?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that the reason why?
[SPEAKER_02]: And we, and are we so lost?
[SPEAKER_02]: Are we so lost that when someone's there, their reality is what his reality may be, what he feels Jesus did for him, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And redeem in his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: If that's his reality, and he's speaking on it, why can't we play that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think that if DJs and program directors of day actually had their hearts open and not their pockets, it is a point.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, growing up, you could have
[SPEAKER_05]: a level of redemptive quality to your music like even you take dear mix one of the most gangster rappers of all time but he had prayers on every last album you know uh now it's a race to the bottom musically as like how degenerate can we be how much can we one up each other on being degenerate and you know the fact is that's not real
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, a lot of people are doing things because they get attention as opposed to its art.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I feel like some of this has to do with that we've beholden ourselves to algorithms and beholden ourselves to just profitability as opposed to profitability and art.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think the radio, like they were talking about radio in particular, like the curators of what's played on mainstream radio has stayed away from, so it's not algorithms.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, why do you think radio has kind of like cleaner good music?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, this is a lot more popular to be sensational.
[SPEAKER_06]: But like, is it, but like, it's so I'm saying, like, we don't have the option.
[SPEAKER_06]: We can't see side by side, which song people want to listen to in their car.
[SPEAKER_06]: They just play the one.
[SPEAKER_05]: You know, they get some point in time and culture.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that major corporations did what major corporations do best, which is find something that has worked and duplicated.
[SPEAKER_05]: And major corporations are not good at what we call diversity.
[SPEAKER_05]: Well, we see that.
[SPEAKER_05]: They're not good at diversity even in the type of people that they are.
[SPEAKER_05]: Let alone the products that they create.
[SPEAKER_05]: So when you look at, we've got to remember hip-hop R&B and a lot of quote unquote, I will call black music.
[SPEAKER_05]: When we were coming up, it was, it wasn't majorly accepted.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the artist that we knew and love were being funded, but somewhat privately funded, it wasn't a big machine.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was small teams that were building things that they cared about.
[SPEAKER_05]: But now we have these major corporations that you know, one of the reasons why things going on already was funding.
[SPEAKER_05]: And these major corporations only fund things that they think they're going to get a massive return on.
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's just so easier.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's so much easier to market things that are sensational than things that are honest.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I think.
[SPEAKER_08]: Derek hit it on the head, a hundred percent.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think that interview was incredible.
[SPEAKER_08]: I wish that John cut to speak more.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, unfortunately he's in the room with a legend.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he's yeah, certainly don't know John it's you know, and I appreciate that you know Rodney has to like, you know, put his armor on John and be like, I have a very talented artist, but you know, the whole interview was primarily, you know, Rodney and we all want to hear what he has to say because he's got Michael Jackson stories and legendary stuff, but like you need people like Rodney who are going to be like, hey, I have to bring this guy with me everywhere until you're
[SPEAKER_08]: to you understand.
[SPEAKER_08]: So it seemed to happen with chance to rapper when he was with Donnie Trump it.
[SPEAKER_08]: He brought Donnie Trump it with him and shot them in like who is this guy?
[SPEAKER_08]: And he has to introduce these new factors in to the industry that doesn't, you know, doesn't want to hear about.
[SPEAKER_08]: They want to hear what's going to work and
[SPEAKER_08]: What is a gimmicky song that would work for what we're doing right now in culture?
[SPEAKER_08]: It's a hard tension to live in, but there are every single day, there are doors being opened for artists like us and radio and serious.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're getting closer, but we've had to endure a lot of, there's not a amount of money that we need to really function as
[SPEAKER_05]: It's important for what you're doing, Marty, which opening a record label, and being a executive who actually is a fan of hip hop, and you're signing hip hop artists, and you're in control of budgets that
[SPEAKER_05]: corporations have decided to say we trust you enough with this money to be able to put on artists that have something to say and we're just going to sit back.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think that that is what is going to swing the pendulum back.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm starting to see a bit of a swing of the pendulum band.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think people, we've been saying this for a while, but I think with the advancements of technology, people are kind of over the sensational stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: The sensational stuff is normal now.
[SPEAKER_05]: So now what's abnormal is someone being actually vulnerable about their music.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I think that where kind of
[SPEAKER_05]: We get to be at the forefront of that as decision makers.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's all cyclical and then people will get tired of music that's honest.
[SPEAKER_05]: And then we'll get back to a different form of sensational stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, always will be fun records that we listen to that.
[SPEAKER_05]: I mean, if you like being a colline, that record for the time was very forward thinking because it's about an affair
[SPEAKER_05]: with two people doing something that they shouldn't be doing and they meet.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a very wild story for the time.
[SPEAKER_05]: That story.
[SPEAKER_06]: Do you ever trust your partner ever again after that song?
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: But if you think about it like that story, they're the newspaper trying to hook a view and the newspaper.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're thirsty to get out this relationship.
[SPEAKER_05]: That was a very sensational thing.
[SPEAKER_05]: But then you also have
[SPEAKER_05]: The Bob Dylan's, you know, and I feel like we're about to go into a season of Bob.
[SPEAKER_05]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_06]: What's interesting about what you're saying is like, I'm noticing this trend like with Gen Z in particular, like their rebellion is the opposite of the rebellion that we've seen for last, you know, several decades like Gen Z's not drinking.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're not hooking up.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're, I saw an influencer the other day talking about.
[SPEAKER_06]: He has no tattoos because he's like,
[SPEAKER_06]: it's like common like my rebellion is not having tattoos like I want to stand out so you're talking about like radio music and everything is like race to the bottom how ratchet can we go well that's that's that used to be shocking and crazy and whatever and now it's like everything well I could see that the pendulum the rebellion against that the stuff that will actually stand out is the stuff that's actually the opposite like you hit on the head camera no it's like my my brother-in-law he just graduated college
[SPEAKER_08]: on Monday and here's something I'm learning okay so you guys remember when the to me the greatest era of my life in music was as a human not as an artist was when I started finding and discovering artists that I liked right like small artists like I remember discovering Mac Miller when he had just started a kick-up he I got his mix tape at a store at ten deep in LA he handed it to me like I remember like these artists
[SPEAKER_06]: from Cutty.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, it was for free.
[SPEAKER_08]: It came at this store called Ten Deep in Fairfax.
[SPEAKER_08]: And so my point is this, like, he's really into right now finding artists that nobody knows about.
[SPEAKER_08]: And we kind of like had a pause on that for a couple of years because before it was like that, like, have you heard of this guy?
[SPEAKER_08]: And now it kind of stopped with, you know, everyone, you know, Spotify everything.
[SPEAKER_08]: People are getting back into that.
[SPEAKER_08]: People are
[SPEAKER_08]: like the discovery factor a little bit more and that's what I do appreciate by this Gen Z kids like they're supporting artists that have two thousand followers on TikTok because you know they're cool and I love that we're getting back there versus the corporate machine telling us you're gonna like Sabrina Carpenter you better like her we're gonna force her the Bruno Mars songs but I don't know that that's new though because ever since Soundcloud I feel like that's been the movement like pause for a while like I stopped here I stopped finding like cool artists
[SPEAKER_04]: I do feel like when Spotify discovery came out and it was like Spotify was discovering things for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think we stopped discovering things for ourselves.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, there you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: We stopped looking because the algorithm gave it to us.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's interesting.
[SPEAKER_08]: I know that's what I did.
[SPEAKER_08]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_08]: In the Soundcutter, it was great.
[SPEAKER_08]: You had XXX.
[SPEAKER_08]: You had all these cool rappers coming up.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, post and now we're like, hey, it's a new era of discovery.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I love where we are right now, but that's what my brother was into Gen Z, like they're all in the finding people who have five thousand followers who are incredible, you know?
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, moving on, Microsoft released a report this week that said we are in a new era of what they're calling the seemingly infinite work day.
[SPEAKER_04]: So instead of talking at nine, talking out of five, a growing number of workers are starting earlier and working later into the night, like until midnight.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like, so you're not talking like tech bubble, hustle culture thing where they put amenities at the office to keep you there doing for seven.
[SPEAKER_06]: This is because of remote work that normal work boundaries because you're just at home, have evaporated.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's where you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, because of remote work and because of, you know, a lot of teams are now split up over time zone because of remote work.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're having to take maybe meetings later, which I was part of how Microsoft analyzed the status they looked at users who had booked meetings between eight PM and midnight and that had increased by sixteen percent within the last year.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so they're just working later and a lot of employees also said that they're getting, they're sorry, the report also said that
[SPEAKER_04]: workers are getting in interruption every two minutes, whether that's by a meeting, an email, a chat notification, something distracting them from work.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so it's pushing the worth that they were trying to get done that day later into the evening, or they're having to check emails at ten PM to catch up on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like it's just all of this is sort of compounding into a longer work day.
[SPEAKER_04]: And of course, it's leading to burnout.
[SPEAKER_04]: One third of workers said it is, quote, impossible to keep up with the pace of work over the last five years.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if there's just not a solution to get out of this, this is just kind of the error that we're in right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: I try really hard to put boundaries like I time compartmentalize my day.
[SPEAKER_06]: So like from nine to eleven every morning, I tackle this and then I like shut that and then I'll like tackle this.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's my ideal day.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like I have time blocks and it never works out.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was going to say, has there ever been a day where that stuck?
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's because of the two every two minutes thing, like a client will email me, like, hey, can you send me an invoice for this or can you dead it up?
[SPEAKER_06]: Can we jump?
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's like, oh, yeah, that's important.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, that's revenue.
[SPEAKER_06]: I need to tackle that, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: So I was going to tackle this other thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now, well, that other thing still had to get tackled.
[SPEAKER_06]: So my afternoon just filled up.
[SPEAKER_06]: But then, okay, you know,
[SPEAKER_06]: nine o'clock tonight, I'll get the laptop out and I'll work, you know, for a few hours again and to catch up on my day, you know, so that's my thing is not like I'm booking calls at ten PM, but it's like just catching up on this stuff that I couldn't get under in the day.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's because it's all just kind of fluid.
[SPEAKER_06]: my office is at my home in my, you know, I'll just kind of like throughout the day, I'll work in different rooms around my house, just to kind of mix it up.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then so then in the evening, I'm in those same rooms.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so it all just kind of feels, oh, it's fine if I'm working here.
[SPEAKER_06]: I work here at the breakfast table this morning and I'll work here tonight, you know, kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's just like, I'm definitely feeling that thing of burnout of like, I need, I need something that jolt me out of that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I need to be able to not do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I got to figure that out.
[SPEAKER_08]: But for me, it's even the time zone that messes with me, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: So like, hey, my five PM is your eight PM.
[SPEAKER_08]: So it's, you know, like, hey, I could, I could link with you guys at seven.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm working with someone at seven o'clock.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's in their in New York.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's ten o'clock for them.
[SPEAKER_08]: So they're working at ten.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm working, you know, that also throws me off a lot, especially a music.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I'm like,
[SPEAKER_08]: push a T, I saw the interview recently, where he's like, I record from nine to five, like M&M does that.
[SPEAKER_08]: I do the same thing.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm a nine to five guy.
[SPEAKER_08]: Do you get me in the studio at nine PM?
[SPEAKER_08]: I might fall asleep.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like I'm not here to be a one AM in the studio.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like I just, so, but some guys are like, hey, I could work at twelve o'clock and get off work.
[SPEAKER_08]: Or, you know, so I've had two sessions at nine PM here.
[SPEAKER_08]: And that's like someone's twelve o'clock.
[SPEAKER_08]: So, and they're working on that.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's a different world.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ready for change.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll figure it out.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Moving on, the final thing I want to share is a cover that I honestly have not been able to get in my head all week.
[SPEAKER_04]: Have you guys ever heard us like a cover of a song and felt like you were hearing the lyrics for like the very first time?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you're ever experienced that.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's how I felt listening to Mavis Staples cover of Frank Ocean's Godspeed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, if you don't know, maybe it's gospel legend, she's part of the staple singers and she's eighty five years old.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and she just really is to cover of God's be that is so beautiful and so full.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think everyone needs to hear it.
[SPEAKER_04]: So she got like him and he's hard, her, her, whoever her needs is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who put her on game?
[SPEAKER_05]: Who put her on game?
[SPEAKER_09]: Who put her on game?
[UNKNOWN]: Who put
[SPEAKER_06]: No, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it said that she didn't know who Frank was until this album.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then she fell, she says, I fell in love with this album and that she wanted to do this song.
[SPEAKER_06]: So here you go.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will always love you.
[SPEAKER_03]: How I do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let go of a prayer for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just a sweet word.
[SPEAKER_09]: A table is prepared for you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wishing your gods be the glory.
[SPEAKER_03]: That will be mounted, you won't move.
[SPEAKER_05]: Ain't nothing like gospel soul singers, like that this unmatched.
[SPEAKER_08]: I feel like there is a gospel artist though.
[SPEAKER_08]: There is a gospel artist on the original song.
[SPEAKER_08]: No, like that.
[SPEAKER_08]: But she's in the back, also young leans on the original song, too, which is funny to have that.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I believe if you, in the credits, there is a famous gospel singer
[SPEAKER_08]: on the original version too, who helped write it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I always felt like that song was about a father letting his daughter go at the altar.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, you know, wishing you guys to be, you're going to be great.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, the relationship is changing.
[SPEAKER_08]: I always felt like, but no one ever connected those lyrics to me, uh, the way that I have.
[SPEAKER_08]: But I love that song.
[SPEAKER_06]: She makes it sound like Christian.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Makes me want to put my hands up.
[SPEAKER_06]: Glory.
[SPEAKER_06]: What's crazy too is like back in the day like her era gospel like they're like a Reeth at Franklin was scandalous because she grew up in church saying gospel and then she chose, you know, to saying some secular stuff too and like they reject it or like the church rejects that you don't do both.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, your ancestors.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, that's what it's surprising that like old school, eighty five year old Mavis Staples in the guy produced it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I think he's a believer as well.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's kind of funny to have like a guy like Frank Ocean who probably doesn't have the same faith that we have.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like the show is your thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was Kim Burrell.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the gospel.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she's in the very end.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, she's one of my, I was watching a video recently of her and I was like, oh my god, from like the nineties her singing.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was like this.
[SPEAKER_08]: I wish I could find that voice has been made in pain and like, like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like a nointing pain.
[SPEAKER_08]: I can't explain that level of voice that she has.
[SPEAKER_08]: But, and then it's like young lean at the end.
[SPEAKER_08]: So it's a funny song that has many different elements that are kind of secretive.
[SPEAKER_05]: that's a good song.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, a song that's a song right there and that's a thing like I've always loved that song like it's a great song, but there was just something about the way maybe saying it that it was like, yeah, there's like a different voice that I can't explain that level of like, uh, I can't explain it like it's an annoying thing or something where you have to earn that level of like deep
[SPEAKER_08]: beauty personalization void like I I know everything I need to hear when I hear her sing like I hear it, you know, it's a quote.
[SPEAKER_05]: Mom once again, Salvation is free, but a night in cost.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, right.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's a word.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, that'll do it.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you want to hear the full song, you can go check it out and these other stories and a lot more at relevant magazine.com.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thanks, Emily.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Stay tuned.
[SPEAKER_06]: Up next, Dallas Jenkins joins us.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, our guest today is Dallas Jenkins.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's the creator and showrunner of the chosen, which has grown from an independent crowd funded show to one of the biggest series on TV today.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's pulled in over a hundred and forty million dollars at the global box office, and it's fifth season is currently the number two most watch show of the week on Amazon Prime.
[SPEAKER_06]: ahead of this season's premiere, we said that with Dallas to hear about the surprising phenomenon of the chosen and find out about what's coming next.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here's Emily's conversation with Dallas Jenkins.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Dallas, thank you for speaking with me today about the global phenomenon the chosen.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is achieved massive success around the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why do you think the chosen has resonated with so many people?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I can only speak for what they've told me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd say, you know, in every country that I've ever been in, every state that I've ever been in, airports, restaurants when people recognize me and come up to say to say something to me, I would say, fifty percent of them start crying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not because they're seeing someone they've seen on TV or they've seen in a livestream.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a celebrity thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a gratitude thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they always say, I would say, probably, I'm, again, I'm not exaggerating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ninety percent of the time, they talk about the humanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels so real.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just feels so authentic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's human.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like I can relate to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I'm seeing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: for the first time, even though they know the stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I think that's the secret sauce.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've read these words in scripture.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen them on stained glass windows.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've heard them in sermons.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a formality to all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's perhaps an emotional distance to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think all of us, even those of us who love the Bible and have read it in our whole lives, can admit that the majority of the time that we read the Bible, we're not emotional.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's educational, it can draw us closer to God.
[SPEAKER_01]: typically it's worship.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's songs that can make us more emotional, or it's the conclusion to a sermon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some specific point that a pastor makes that helps bring the Bible more to life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the Bible's always been alive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I could say it better.
[SPEAKER_01]: It brings us to life.
[SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes a song, sometimes a book, sometimes a sermon.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, sometimes a TV show.
[SPEAKER_01]: is the spark that can draw us emotionally into God's word and then that emotional connection brings the intellectual and spiritual truth to it to life even more than maybe just reading it on a page.
[SPEAKER_04]: Through your travels, are there any places in the world you've been maybe surprised to find a big fan base for the chosen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, would I go to places like
[SPEAKER_01]: Los Angeles where I spend a lot of time I'm gonna get recognized less part of it's a it's a town that you know that just there's
[SPEAKER_01]: thousands of bigger celebrities than I am in L.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm just, it's not that big of a deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's parts of the country that where it's just a little, you know, the ratio of people who are going to be excited about the show is maybe a little lower.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when I go to Utah or Texas, you know, every restaurant I go to and every place I go, there's going to be a response from somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to your question, I remember when I went to Brazil,
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew there was a fan base there because the viewership numbers in Brazil were significant and the social media engagement was significant.
[SPEAKER_01]: But being there in a country where they don't speak English and there's a meet and greet line that's as long as it is in the United States and the things they're saying, they're writing it out on their phone and then they use Google Translate to show me what they want to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I'm reading it and crying because they're saying the same things that they're saying in the States.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that I was surprised that there was a fan base in Brazil.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised I suppose by the passion, the level of passion, and then also by the fact that it's the same even in a different language.
[SPEAKER_01]: The same scenes are impacting them the same
[SPEAKER_01]: Elements are impacting them a family with an autistic son is coming up to me and saying the portrayal of Matthews is what Hope does know that Jesus can Can our son can follow Jesus in the same way that we can that that God has a plan for him just like he does for us and we didn't know that until we saw the show That kind of stuff is what surprises me So look I mean everything about this thing surprises me Emily, I mean, I'm like you know, I didn't
[SPEAKER_01]: As a conservative count is that over two hundred million people are on the world of seeing the show in some form, that doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's shocking.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not something that I ever imagined or planned for, or the think about.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it all is never stopped being surprising and unwilling.
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, the theatrical releases have been a massive part of the success.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm curious, how do you think that the theatrical releases enhance the viewing experience for fans?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, to those two things, number one, we film the show especially in the last couple seasons and especially season five with theaters in mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the scale, the sets, the lenses, the camera lenses, all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's...
[SPEAKER_01]: The sound, the audio, everything is done with the theatrical experience and my knowing that it's also going to play well at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the big screen, I think the greatest array ever told and some of the biggest and most important moments in history deserve a big full screen experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you can't experience that on the big screen, that's fine too and I know that not everyone can and it's going to be just as impactful at home.
[SPEAKER_01]: That said, there is something about that communal experience that whether you're laughing together or crying together or experiencing something that you all all believe in together, especially when it's something like this, you know when you watch a Marvel movie or a comedy or something in the big screen and you have that shared laugh and you have those shared tears.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun and it's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when it's about something this sacred and something that you really do believe in, and you know that you have that instant connection with everyone else in the theater.
[SPEAKER_01]: And walking out, we've had so many people tell us that walking out of the theater, they were connecting with other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even introverts were saying, like seeing it with other people and knowing that I had this shared passion and belief, it made it easier for me to connect.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's important too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, again, I want to make it very clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: The show is not church.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's similar to how some of us, we both have our private time and our quiet time with the Lord and our personal kind of intimate time.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's also church.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also that experience of we're all going to get together.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all going to worship together.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all going to be taught together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, the show is not church.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's something special about that, about that gathering together of people who have a shared belief and a shared passion that I think can really deep in the experience of watching something like this.
[SPEAKER_04]: How has your time on the chosen impact at your future work and the new series you're currently developing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, I am really unfocused on what we call the mothership show, the seven seasons of the Gospels.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we're developing the story of Joseph as many series and the chosen adventures are animated show, which is also based on the Gospels.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some even some of our unscripted stuff like our Bear Girls show, it's all
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all in the same universe with the same thread, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So how does it influence us?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's everything that we learn about this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to apply to future shows as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we want to make sure that every Bible story that we ever tell comes from the same approach of we're going to find the humanity in this story so that you can see yourself in it, that you can learn the lessons that they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at the end of the day, here's the interesting thing, even the Old Testament stories that we're telling are about Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're pointing you towards Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: We happen to have done the Gospels first, but it's going to be really cool to connect all these different stories through a through line of Jesus died in Jesus' rows.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you find in the Joseph story, in the Moses story,
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in the Noah story, all these stories that we're either planning to do or hoping that we might get to do and all that we try to do try to take things one one thing in a time, but but to know that they're all pointing you towards this story that we're currently telling.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really exciting.
[SPEAKER_04]: out of all the Bible characters you could have moved on to next.
[SPEAKER_04]: Why did you want to start with Joseph for the new series?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's something about the Joseph story that really does illustrate.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of like Jesus parallels to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the Joseph story is what
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, brought about the law.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is the Joseph story takes place when when when these creationists happened and and the Jewish people are trying to navigate life with no law yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no structure.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they're just experiencing their own humanity and they're solving problems in the worst ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's in many ways that the doing Joseph and then Moses is the perfect structure because
[SPEAKER_01]: Moses is in many ways the response to the Joseph story and of course Joseph is what is who takes the people to Egypt and that's what ultimately sets up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moses is experienced of the oppression in Egypt and so just felt when we're doing it as a mini series not as a multi-season show it just felt like a good story to slot in between some of the other stories that we're telling and it just felt like
[SPEAKER_01]: It's felt like the right one because it's now that we've experienced the gospel story.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go, you know, celebrating the Passover, especially during the Holy Week.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to take you back to kind of what set up the need for the law, the need for Moses as the first, you know, kind of as the precursor to Jesus, as a prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to help inform even what we've been doing so far with the mothership show.
[SPEAKER_06]: That was Dallas Jenkins.
[SPEAKER_06]: Make sure to go check out the chosen.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is exclusively streaming.
[SPEAKER_06]: Season five is exclusively streaming on Amazon Prime.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right now.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, stay tuned up next.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's one has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, it's time for one has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, listen, listeners, you know the game.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not a game.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm going to tell you four things.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're going to tell me one that has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is a game.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm like, there's no winner or loser.
[SPEAKER_04]: The way you said it's not a game.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's.
[SPEAKER_08]: Which member of DC talk needs to go?
[SPEAKER_08]: You guys, let's go right now.
[SPEAKER_08]: Quick.
[SPEAKER_06]: I go team.
[SPEAKER_06]: I would say which ones are left?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think we only have to be back at this point.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Derek, you're a first.
[SPEAKER_06]: Dream destination spots like travel.
[SPEAKER_06]: You were in Seattle this weekend.
[SPEAKER_06]: Paris, Tokyo, Santa Rini or Sydney.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Mmm.
[SPEAKER_05]: Tokyo for me.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_05]: Tokyo doesn't go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Oh, but Sam, like you know, that would just say Paris.
[SPEAKER_06]: Paris.
[SPEAKER_06]: Paris, Tokyo, Santa Rini or Sydney.
[SPEAKER_06]: I hate it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_05]: It was beautiful.
[SPEAKER_05]: I hate I went there for three weeks.
[SPEAKER_05]: I had the worst time of my life.
[SPEAKER_05]: I was again to London.
[SPEAKER_08]: Um, I think the pick pocketers eventually just get on your nerves the scams.
[SPEAKER_08]: That feels like user error.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like you just has cash just hanging out of his back pocket as well.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like even while I feel tower there's just like always like guys like trying to like talk to him and like give you fake tours and like eventually you just get like a aggressive and you're like get away from me.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, I hated I hated Paris.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll go again, and I'll show you how to do it right.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, you have to.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I was there for three, two weeks now.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was like, let's go, how even went to Disney in France?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like it was, I hated it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've only been to Paris for twenty four hours, and it was on my way back from Morocco.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we had a super long layover, but the two guys on my trip that I was in Morocco with, I were on the same layover, and they love Paris, and they knew Paris, and they went to Paris all the time.
[SPEAKER_06]: So, and I was like, I've never been.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they're like, we were going to show you the best Paris.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you got the romantic too.
[SPEAKER_05]: You got the real tour.
[SPEAKER_06]: dude, it was the real Paris and they made reservations at this Michelin restaurant.
[SPEAKER_06]: We came out from the restaurant and we're getting recommendations from the server where to go after late night like where the locals go and we came out and it had rained and so the cobblestone streets were like wet like a movie and it's like in the lights and we went to this like local cafe where there was a jazz club and like it was just the most
[SPEAKER_06]: Paris epic twenty four hours ever and I haven't been back since I want to.
[SPEAKER_06]: Everybody that I talked to about Paris has y'all's stories of like this so I hate it and I'm going this was like I lived in a movie for twenty four hours.
[SPEAKER_06]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_05]: So we say one has to go so I'm I had to make my decision based off the rule not the exception to the rule.
[SPEAKER_06]: Got this one.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the Paris is out of here.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Marty Roadtrip snacks, sour patch kids, trail mix, beef jerky or pringles.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to say pringles has to go.
[SPEAKER_08]: I just think that the hand is going right there.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, no, no, no, he's right.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's the hand in the car.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's just that purely.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Everyone has to get their hand in there.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like dirty car and the car.
[SPEAKER_08]: The bottom four are smashed.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, like I could do beef jerky because hey, here's a stick.
[SPEAKER_08]: Here's a sour patch kid.
[SPEAKER_08]: You want something sweet.
[SPEAKER_08]: But then like Pring, then you have your nephew who has both of them on his hands.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's doing this and crumbs are every.
[SPEAKER_08]: I just can't tell.
[SPEAKER_06]: I've had I've had this story.
[SPEAKER_06]: I had the story.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, Emily, classic Nickelodeon cartoons.
[SPEAKER_06]: Hey Arnold, Rocket Power, SpongeBob, or Rugrats, one has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ooh, that's tough.
[SPEAKER_04]: You'd think it'd be tough.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm getting her to SpongeBob.
[SPEAKER_04]: Me too, I would too.
[SPEAKER_08]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not a SpongeBob fan.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not grow up watching SpongeBob.
[SPEAKER_04]: The yellow cartoon I watched was the Simpsons.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I go to watch SpongeBob and it's not as funny as the Simpsons, so I don't get the hype.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm with you, Emily.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not getting rid of Rugrats.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm not getting rid of Rocket Power, and especially here on the best show of all time.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just a best kind of Rocket Power, but I will respect you.
[SPEAKER_06]: Derek, did you watch any of those?
[SPEAKER_06]: Because that one, my era, like my era of questions.
[SPEAKER_05]: I watched, I'm only one that's blowing my mind is Rocket Power, I didn't really watch it.
[SPEAKER_08]: That was a great show.
[SPEAKER_08]: Original, nothing was like it.
[SPEAKER_08]: I watched, hey, Arnold.
[SPEAKER_05]: Look at you, did you watch Rugrats?
[SPEAKER_05]: Definitely.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did you all watch, did you all regress and start watching cartoons again in college?
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, I did.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_05]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Because I, in college, I really got into Animaniacs and Simpsons and like watched them, like Animaniacs, I watched every day in my dorm room.
[SPEAKER_06]: And those Animaniacs was the truth.
[SPEAKER_04]: In college, when, like, that was when streaming was really taking off when I was in college.
[SPEAKER_04]: So my friends, we watched a lot of the, like Disney Channel original movies that we grew up on.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can't think of a single one that held up well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Texas.
[SPEAKER_04]: The content isn't all of them.
[SPEAKER_04]: I remember this being so much better when I was seven years old.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was like, Friday night in your friends are over.
[SPEAKER_06]: You had pizza and you were just staying up to watch the premiere at eight o'clock.
[SPEAKER_06]: It was a fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ice cream sprinkles.
[SPEAKER_06]: Derek late night hosts Jimmy Fallon, Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmelor, Seth Myers, one us to go.
[SPEAKER_05]: Get out of retos back again.
[SPEAKER_06]: Jimmy Fallon Steven Colbert Jimmy Kimmel or Seth Myers Who's the second one Steven Colbert?
[SPEAKER_06]: He's the only one that brings like faith content.
[SPEAKER_05]: I like his voice.
[SPEAKER_05]: I think Seth got to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Seth for me, too.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, that's got to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who are you bumping for Seth?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Either of the Jimmy's.
[SPEAKER_04]: No way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jimmy Kim was one of the best.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love him.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'll keep to.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the answer is Jimmy Fallon.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he's a great interviewer.
[SPEAKER_06]: The nicest man in show business.
[SPEAKER_06]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's got the roots.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's always laughing.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's play a nice people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, we can get someone else.
[SPEAKER_04]: Seth Myers is so funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think he is a great interviewer.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's too cost.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, all right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, it's funny.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, like, that's.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: Seth Myers.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, they're all in credit.
[SPEAKER_06]: But at of all four.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Marty.
[SPEAKER_06]: Free.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_06]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Free flights for life unlimited concert tickets never pay rent again or always skip airport security.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Reflights, free flights for life, unlimited concert tickets, never pay rent again, or mortgage, or always be able to skip airport security.
[SPEAKER_08]: Uh, you know, I don't miss, I mean, airport security, this is like the lesser of all the evils.
[SPEAKER_08]: For me, like I have pre-TSA, I'm always walking on any way.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: I would never get rid of concerts.
[SPEAKER_08]: I would never get rid of the flights.
[SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Free flights come a free mortgage, whatever.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm going, I'm going to use the free flights.
[SPEAKER_08]: All right, Emily.
[SPEAKER_06]: Beats volleyball, paddle boarding, corn hole, or spike ball.
[SPEAKER_06]: All summer games or sports.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think many go with paddle boarding.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I love all the other.
[SPEAKER_04]: Pad boarding's fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Spike, spike ball you like?
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a game you can buy at Target.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a little trampoline thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like a two foot little trampoline.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you have like, it's a game.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like four people stand around it and you like do a spike ball game.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have always frat guys are doing it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a very frat game.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it is fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's my thing with paddle boarding.
[SPEAKER_04]: Very fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to get to a point probably halfway, you know, on the little course, whatever around where I'm deciding, okay, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now I have to paddle all the way back.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's gonna make me mad.
[SPEAKER_04]: All the other games as soon as I'm ready to stop, I can walk away.
[SPEAKER_08]: I can understand that.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's usually me, like halfway through something.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm like, I'm done.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I want to be doing right then.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, let's see, Derek, Taco Tuesday, pizza Friday, burger night, or breakfast for dinner, one has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: Breakfast for dinner out of here.
[SPEAKER_05]: Really really really I love breakfast for dinner.
[SPEAKER_05]: I need my tacos.
[SPEAKER_05]: I wonder if that's a way thing to like breakfast for dinner.
[SPEAKER_05]: Pizza at Breckerboro eggs and bacon at seven o'clock in the evening.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I make breakfast for dinner a lot, but I think it's really easy meal to make as a single person.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's it's an easy meal to make, but it's not something I when I'm doing breakfast for dinner were down bad.
[SPEAKER_05]: That's, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_05]: More ex or so expensive, it's a delicacy, but we're down bad.
[SPEAKER_08]: I don't feel like pay kicks, it's always gonna be like eggs and like basic stuff.
[SPEAKER_05]: We down bad, y'all, we down bad.
[SPEAKER_06]: Take kids, if you ever see dad making breakfast dinner.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't ask him how to stay well.
[SPEAKER_05]: Don't ask me to do nothing else.
[SPEAKER_06]: Don't ask him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Time's a tough.
[SPEAKER_06]: Keep them out of quiet.
[SPEAKER_06]: Our dead office.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, Marty.
[SPEAKER_06]: Shark cutary boards, sushi rolls, street tacos or fancy grilled cheese.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_08]: Man, I'm going to have to say, you said, one more time can shark cutary boards, sushi, street tacos or fancy grilled cheese.
[SPEAKER_08]: Fancy grilled cheese is going to have to go.
[SPEAKER_08]: No question.
[SPEAKER_08]: On our trip, let me just highlight one thing on this Montana trip.
[SPEAKER_08]: They made a shortcut report.
[SPEAKER_08]: That was the size of a tombstone.
[SPEAKER_08]: It was so phenomenal.
[SPEAKER_08]: I forgot how much I loved cheese and olives and it was just James.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I love a good grilled cheese.
[SPEAKER_08]: Don't get me wrong, but I can't get rid of sushi.
[SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I'm not getting rid of street tacos at all.
[SPEAKER_08]: Sorry, grilled cheese.
[SPEAKER_08]: out of here.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're gone.
[SPEAKER_04]: Y'all know how during the pandemic everyone got into like weird little hobbies and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: My weird hobby I picked up during the pandemic was I got really into making shakudari boards for yourself.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, for myself, my roommate.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I, like, bought, I started following this account and then I bought their cookbook online about, like, how to know how to pair which cheeses and meats and the little extras and stuff that you had on.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I just got really into it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so now a lot of times when we have, like, parties, I'll make Shrekuri boards for my friends, because I kind of know what goes best with everything.
[SPEAKER_04]: What else is the secret lobby?
[SPEAKER_05]: When I was a Seattle, I was blessed to be around a world-class caterer.
[SPEAKER_06]: This, uh, this, uh, this lady's mentoring your wife.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_05]: And she made us, uh, you were living.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you told us about her.
[SPEAKER_05]: Greatest, charcuterie board.
[SPEAKER_05]: known to man.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like, and it wasn't just like, as you know, like, sometimes it's our kudari boys.
[SPEAKER_05]: You just do everything together.
[SPEAKER_05]: No, she's telling us what meet with what cheese with what cracker to get the best experience of the flavor she's made.
[SPEAKER_05]: What's a what's a void pairing together?
[SPEAKER_05]: And it was the
[SPEAKER_05]: craziest experience I've ever had for us.
[SPEAKER_04]: There isn't art behind it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like people think you can just put like cheesen me on a board.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, you can put cheesen me on a board.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if you want true harmony, you have to know what to pair with.
[SPEAKER_08]: Derek isn't the best place, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Cause his wife's getting mentored by this like, you know, catering.
[SPEAKER_08]: He gets to try everything.
[SPEAKER_08]: he gets to enjoy all the little treats I do here making breakfast for dinner for myself.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not suggesting that's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_06]: Derek, how are you like are you thinking about the next ten years of your life obviously your wife is an incredible cook baker and will be pursuing that
[SPEAKER_06]: passion and talent she has even more and more and more and more obviously as she grows her craft you are her test kitchen her test eater have you thought how you're going to not gain eighty pounds over the next three years I literally just got a gym membership I don't anyone has snow me all my whole life I've never liked the gym
[SPEAKER_05]: I've just got a gym membership and I literally go on walks every morning when I wake up.
[SPEAKER_05]: Like we're modeling to have two of my walks because I'm just like, okay, health king.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have to do it.
[SPEAKER_05]: But they sit.
[SPEAKER_05]: She sent us home with these like amazing bond bonds that is like, it's cake with this vanilla filling dipped in chocolate.
[SPEAKER_05]: And she's just like, oh, take, take twelve of these in a box, bro.
[SPEAKER_05]: And the kids are with mom.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I'm just one in a morning, bro.
[SPEAKER_05]: And get me, bud buds.
[SPEAKER_05]: And watching, watching the last of us, it just coffee and crumbs just dribbling down on my shirt.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm like, it's over with.
[SPEAKER_06]: I love the fact that like you're going to have a life where you have artists in your studio recording you guys are a play it's great creativity and you're going to be like would anybody like some bond bonds
[SPEAKER_06]: I haven't started could re-board prepared for the the crew.
[SPEAKER_05]: I'm in the studio last night with my partner Chino dollars and my wife is like dinner's ready as she brings down this cement that was in its glaze with small tomatoes on a bed of asparagus and it's like do you want any?
[SPEAKER_05]: And it's like, oh my man, this is the one.
[SPEAKER_08]: We're at your studio and you're like, guys, when I put on like we're good, he's like eating salmon and like this one's good.
[SPEAKER_08]: This one's tell mom it's good.
[SPEAKER_08]: Tell mom this one's good.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was like, it smells incredible, you know?
[SPEAKER_08]: He's over here eating like a three-course meal and while chopping a sample.
[SPEAKER_08]: He's like, hold on.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Hold on.
[SPEAKER_08]: The salmon's amazing.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: I was like, this guy doing everything.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like, it's too cool.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's like elevated.
[SPEAKER_08]: I've never seen this before.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Amazingly if you live in.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: His son was coming through.
[SPEAKER_08]: Dad, here's the moment you try the salmon.
[SPEAKER_06]: Would anybody like a refill?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's just like a service.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, last one, Emily.
[SPEAKER_06]: You always remember people's names.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're never awkward in small talk.
[SPEAKER_06]: You always say the perfect thing or you're never the last to get the joke.
[SPEAKER_06]: Never the last to get the joke.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_06]: You always remember people's names.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're never awkward in small talk.
[SPEAKER_06]: You always say the perfect thing or you're never the last to get the joke.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, I think I'll get rid of you always say the perfect thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: One because I feel like I do that all the time anyways, but sometimes it's fun to like just speak.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't like I have no problem making fun of myself.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if I say something wrong, then I just get laughs and I feel better about myself.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't be the last to get a joke that will make me feel better about myself.
[SPEAKER_06]: If you struggle with that, not being able to keep up with woody band.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's kind of a problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm in therapy for it, so.
[SPEAKER_06]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, there you go.
[SPEAKER_06]: That'll do it for this week's.
[SPEAKER_06]: One has to go.
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[SPEAKER_06]: Play along with this.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's a really funny.
[SPEAKER_05]: If you've been following me for a long time, I actually started a brand new account from RMG dairy.
[SPEAKER_08]: I see it all the time now, bro.
[SPEAKER_08]: First story on my way to tell the story of this.
[SPEAKER_07]: For real, tell the story of what you're doing here.
[SPEAKER_05]: So I have a hundred and thirty four thousand followers on my last account.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I just realized I wasn't able to, I don't see any of my friends content and I wasn't able to know what's in my content.
[SPEAKER_05]: And I just was like, I'm just gonna start from scratch and see what happened.
[SPEAKER_05]: So the goal was to get a thousand followers and see how fast we can do that.
[SPEAKER_05]: So far we've done that in pretty much a week and it's so much of a better experience, y'all.
[SPEAKER_05]: I actually see people stuff I care about.
[SPEAKER_05]: It's still a lot of ads that's being fed to me.
[SPEAKER_05]: But people are seeing my stuff again.
[SPEAKER_05]: It feels way better.
[SPEAKER_05]: So getting a feels like I'm having a lot more of a personal experience with the people that follow me as opposed to just being fed a bunch of crap.
[SPEAKER_06]: When I first saw your friend Derek has joined Instagram, and it was your face, I thought for sure you're acting like somebody was like, baking you.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, it's great.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's interesting, too, that you're like taking a huge risk to test the algorithm and stuff, but yeah, it's working.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm glad.
[SPEAKER_08]: so follow him and also follow relevant magazine on this year I've a new album coming on Friday, so yeah follow what I just thought that they're right now you forget I won't coming out well because I'm already on my third album like the next album's done plug it plug it tell us about so
[SPEAKER_08]: All right, so check this out.
[SPEAKER_08]: I just realized this is a win that I want to celebrate really quick.
[SPEAKER_08]: The only reason I thought about is because Doc, who is a part of RMG with Derek, he just locked me into a Spotify cover.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I was sending the Spotify picture of myself or the cover.
[SPEAKER_08]: And so it's a win, a new album coming out.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's called the one.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, it's about how he left a ninety nine for the one.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I have felt like God has pursued me on levels that
[SPEAKER_08]: He has not had to do with other people because I'm such a knucklehead.
[SPEAKER_08]: And that love has totally transformed the way I see my son, my wife, people, empathy.
[SPEAKER_08]: And so this album is a hip-hop album.
[SPEAKER_08]: It's not a trap album.
[SPEAKER_08]: It is authentic and it's a wrap-up.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I think that you guys will like it.
[SPEAKER_08]: And yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Friday.
[SPEAKER_06]: I really say you called it the one because you were saying I'm like the one like I'm him.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so you're saying the opposite.
[SPEAKER_06]: Like, yeah, me.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he left.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's actually the most humble lovely title.
[SPEAKER_06]: I thought it was like.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I think that that was the look of it on it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, because like social club, like we're two people, then it's like the one guy drops.
[SPEAKER_08]: So there's a lot of pieces that are doable, but it's not even about it.
[SPEAKER_08]: And it's about just
[SPEAKER_08]: lowering myself down and realizing man, I'm grateful that God pursued me because I did not pursue him.
[SPEAKER_08]: He pursued me and it's like the prodigal son story where the father was looking for him and he wasn't looking.
[SPEAKER_08]: He was too embarrassed looking at the floor to realize that his dad was just waiting for him and loved him.
[SPEAKER_08]: So I think that story in my life and the last like year I feel like God has had to give me a little bit of special attention because of my living situation living California
[SPEAKER_08]: dealing with, you know, less community and you guys know, because we were, we've shared, we've checked in with each other, but I've just felt like God in this last year has had to give me a little bit of love.
[SPEAKER_08]: And that's the father we have.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I'm so grateful that, yeah, this album's coming on.
[SPEAKER_08]: I'm excited.
[SPEAKER_08]: Produced the whole thing myself.
[SPEAKER_08]: And I think you guys will love it.
[SPEAKER_06]: the right way we've heard it is incredible.
[SPEAKER_06]: Have you seen that meme where like it's like a shepherd in like like an Ireland or whatever and like there's a ditch going along the side of the road and and the sheep like jumps into the ditch and the shepherd has to like get them pull them out of the ditch and then like the sheep like is all scared and runs ten feet down and falls back into the game using that.
[SPEAKER_06]: You're telling that story.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's me.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm the guy who goes on the mission trip and then like the people and like Guatemala a Guatemala or like oh God this guy he doesn't always doing like he doesn't even like he's night is he a Christian like I'm still like trying to figure things out and God is showing me through everything he possibly can do people nature life friends confirmation that
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, it's almost like deja vu, right?
[SPEAKER_08]: Like you ever have deja vu and I always think if I'm having deja vu, it's because I'm meant to be here right now.
[SPEAKER_08]: Like my life just aligned in the perfect timeline.
[SPEAKER_08]: You know, like that's what I always assume.
[SPEAKER_08]: That's why I feel like right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure I'm going to talk about my album called The Ninety Nine, but you were being so sincere.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I was like, I don't think I would do this crime.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Emily's like, you should have named it.
[SPEAKER_08]: Ninety eight.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ninety eight.
[SPEAKER_06]: All right.
[SPEAKER_06]: We'll check it out the one Marty coming out on Friday.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's awesome in that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, many thanks to Dallas Jenkins for joining us today.
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[SPEAKER_07]: All right, on that note, we'll wrap it.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm Cameron Strang.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm Derek Minor.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm Emily Brown.
[SPEAKER_07]: I'm Marty.
[SPEAKER_07]: We'll see you next Friday.
[SPEAKER_07]: Have a very week everybody.
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