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[SPEAKER_00]: Shotsmith, Harrison, Jody Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jody, it is Hup Day, halfway through the week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yay!
[SPEAKER_02]: You are not exactly feeling fully energized, shall we say?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not even less.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fifty-five shows.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe so hard this week.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, Bob says good joke that in the commercial breaks on Stephanie's show, I did four podcasts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And an ad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did a few of us today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So and and of course your arm hurts because you have been I don't know ghost slapping Ted Cruz.
[SPEAKER_06]: Maybe it just every now and then and what what's fun about my pain is it's a place where you can't reach it yourself.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, so you can't really get out it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then secondly, this will last at least three weeks.
[SPEAKER_06]: And sometimes it'll move from because it's my left shoulder blade now.
[SPEAKER_06]: Sometimes it moves to the right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's not fun.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's very fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's the getting getting older as many of you folks here in the bar know is definitely not her CC.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, I've been dealing with this for
[SPEAKER_06]: to thirty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay, but I'm sure it's gotten worse as you got older.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, a little bit.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it used to be really bad.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it was, I couldn't move my head for a while.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, sure when you were thirteen, it was bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now that you're forty-five.
[SPEAKER_06]: Ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_06]: Now that I'm fifty-eight.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know the feeling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joe Joe turned fifty-one yesterday and I joked she's just a little bit behind me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was like, you know, but always good for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, what was not good today was the news.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's a lot of war and a lot of stupid jokes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am just and a lot of injustice.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like a lot of the media ignored the, um, ignore the Supreme Court ruling, or at least the big one.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were, I think, five of them today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if paper, the white woman got off for murdering again, whatever, I, I could care less about the Karen Reed trial.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, if you're into it, that's good for you, I guess, but I just didn't like whatever, you know, white women getting away with things is, is nothing new.
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
[SPEAKER_02]: doesn't really impress me.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is interesting though is the neocons as I mentioned yesterday as you've mentioned, I think this morning on Steph show, Jody, they want another war, the neocons.
[SPEAKER_02]: They want to go to war.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well,
[SPEAKER_02]: Neocons for for those of you here in the politics bar who may not know neocons are a specific subset of people who are generally in the Republican party some of them are a little too far right and they don't even like that but they like war they like work as it makes the money they like work as it makes the people they know money they like war because it allows them it gives them a structures they can go out and kill the people that they don't like brown people mostly black people but yeah people that they don't like
[SPEAKER_02]: The Nielcons are always up for war.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're always up for war as long as it's your kids going to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're up for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw that with the W with both wars, a rack and afghanistan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same kind of idiots have been doing this for God, since the Korean War, I think.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we also have not declared war since World War II.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the fact that we've had all these wars that Congress has not authorized.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, as far as they're always willing to go, uh, charging into the war, and of course, you know, Dick Cheney, Haliburton, former VP at Haliburton, made a boat ton of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: And of course, Halibut made a boat ton of money and he was still invested, even though he was divested the money went into the blind trust, which they don't even do with Trump anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're family made a bunch of money.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's Neocons or Warhawk.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's another good name for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there is a very real civil war that is going on on the right in Magalan.
[SPEAKER_02]: For those people who missed this, this was actually kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tucker Carlson,
[SPEAKER_02]: And Ted Cruz sat down for another interview and I'm sure Ted Cruz thought this was gonna be just as peachy as cake because, you know, he and he and Tucker are buds.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Tucker Carlson decided to do to Ted Cruz what he used to do to Democrats when they would go on Fox.
[SPEAKER_02]: He only bring it up on the DVR.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many people live around by the way?
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know the population at all.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, I don't know the population.
[SPEAKER_09]: You don't know the population in the country you see to topple?
[SPEAKER_09]: How many people live in Iran?
[SPEAKER_09]: I need two million.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_09]: How could you not know that?
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't sit around memorizing population tables.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, it's kind of relevant because you're calling for the overthrow of the government.
[SPEAKER_10]: Why is it relevant whether it will be because it's ninety million or eighty million or a hundred million?
[SPEAKER_10]: Why is it relevant if you don't know anything about the country?
[SPEAKER_10]: I didn't say I don't know anything about.
[SPEAKER_10]: Okay, what's the ethnic mix of Iran?
[SPEAKER_10]: They are Persians, and we're predominantly shea.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_09]: You don't know anything about Iran.
[SPEAKER_10]: So, okay.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm not the Tucker Carlson.
[SPEAKER_10]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_10]: This is Bird on Iran.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're a Sarah who's calling.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're the one who's calling.
[SPEAKER_10]: You know what the country.
[SPEAKER_10]: No, you don't know anything about the country.
[SPEAKER_10]: You're the one who claims they're not trying to murder Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_09]: You're the one who can't figure out a thing.
[SPEAKER_09]: You don't get a kill.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yes, I do.
[SPEAKER_09]: Because you're not calling for military strikes against them in retaliation.
[SPEAKER_09]: Okay, really believe that.
[SPEAKER_10]: Hearing out military strikes today, you said Israel was right with our help.
[SPEAKER_10]: I'm said, we Israel is leading them, but we're supporting them.
[SPEAKER_09]: Well, this, you're breaking news here, because the U.S.
[SPEAKER_09]: government last night denied the National Security Council spokesman Alex Fyford denied on behalf of Trump that we were acting on Israel's behalf in any offensive capacity.
[SPEAKER_10]: We're not bombing them.
[SPEAKER_10]: Israel's bombing them.
[SPEAKER_09]: You just said, we were.
[SPEAKER_09]: We are supporting Israel as a senior senator if you're saying the United States government is a network Iran right now people are listening Look you're both ugly and stupid you should go to your rooms and never leave but Well the thing with if if this does escalate past what it is already okay
[SPEAKER_02]: You mean the war or the interparty war?
[SPEAKER_06]: The war in Iran with Iran and Israel.
[SPEAKER_06]: If it escalates, we all have to somebody pointed this out today and is right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Iran supplies ammunition and armaments to Russia.
[SPEAKER_06]: So Russia doesn't want us involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: You and I were talking about that at the end of the show yesterday.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then there's an oil problem.
[SPEAKER_06]: They could completely stop oil to the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they stopped to get the streets of Hormuz, you know?
[SPEAKER_06]: To the world.
[SPEAKER_06]: Not just everybody would lose oil and that won't do well for since we're all still so.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is, uh, Iran supplies weapons to Putin, but Putin is also friends with BBNet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's, it's, it's no end of trouble.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Iran has made it clear multiple times.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're done.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're done with this stupid fight, at least for now that they would like to step back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And BBNet and Yahoo has made it clear.
[SPEAKER_02]: And especially he and, and the, um, neocons that surround him in the Lakood party in Israel.
[SPEAKER_02]: They want to keep going, even if an Iran doesn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now you know that Donald Trump isn't going to side with Iran.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because because the neocons here won't side with Iran, even if it would be in his temporary advantage, he probably won't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never say never with Trump because he, you know, whatever is always to his advantage, he does because he could give a rip about anyone else.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: The key that a lot of people, I think in the national media are missing in the mainstream media are missing is that this is not a fake fight in Magaland.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, this is real.
[SPEAKER_08]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, a lot of people did vote for Donald believing that he would end wars and not start another one or be involved in another one.
[SPEAKER_06]: People really did believe that.
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know why they believed it, but they did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, in Park he said it, but Greg's Argent has a good piece at the New Republic, and I put it in the news on tap today at the politicsbar.com.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think Greg a hundred percent gets it, and I know that there are a lot of other people in the national media that don't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: They think it's kind of a fake fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as I mentioned on Blue Sky earlier today, two Greg, part of the reason Maga exists is because of the two wars that
[SPEAKER_02]: Dick Cheney and Donald Trump are Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, you know, get those two confused.
[SPEAKER_02]: That they started the twenty years worth of wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was that was the neocons.
[SPEAKER_02]: a lot of those people were they were already in this position ideologically before Donald Trump and his PR idiots that surrounded him in twenty sixteen came around they just Trump and company just picked up the torch and ran within the torch was these people a lot of them in rural areas a lot of them in areas that border rural areas
[SPEAKER_02]: They had been sending their kids to die or be damaged for twenty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: The money, the billions, if not trillions, the trillion states spent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: On these stupid ridiculous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that we wasted because we didn't follow through because we never had an exit plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those people are really, really pissed off.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have anybody carrying their torch before, twenty sixteen on that particular issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that was why Trump's people picked that up is because it was something that was emotionally animating to these people.
[SPEAKER_02]: It got them riled up and pissed off.
[SPEAKER_02]: And his folks who were looking at stuff said, Hey, there's a pile of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: We pick up that torch.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will come with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't mean the Trump is anti war.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't mean the Trump cares really about war.
[SPEAKER_02]: So long as it doesn't touch him.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, yeah, we know.
[SPEAKER_06]: Baron's not going anywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Melania would stand there.
[SPEAKER_02]: She would she would be in in full gear.
[SPEAKER_02]: who will not touch my son exactly and and I get it look there are a lot of parents who feel the same way that's that's that's a big part of maga is that they felt ignored and they have been for you know since easily nineteen seventy definitely after nineteen eighty yeah because the same people in the areas that that the the right and the the corporate america wall street has been sucking dry a value for fifty years
[SPEAKER_02]: And when they couldn't get much value out of him because they'd already sucked it all out then they picked up their kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: They took them to a foreign land and killed them were brought them back completely damaged and threw them back and said and drive sixty miles to the next VA.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I get there being pissed and I get that politically.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's it is crass and it's crude, but I get politically why the people who are round Trump picked up that group of people and said, Hey, all you have to say is I'm against stupid wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Barack Obama said he was against stupid wars.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was he tried to get out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't he tried to get out.
[SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't back and forth because Obama at least was trying to do it in a responsible manner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Couldn't exactly do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of it was some of the same people in the neocons who didn't want him to do it because they wanted the wars to continue.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, there's money and more.
[SPEAKER_06]: Lots of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the division.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the division.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very real division that we're seeing on the right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And anybody who writes it off as fake hasn't actually paid attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are doing to those same people.
[SPEAKER_02]: The exact same thing that's been done to them for over fifty years, which is you're just a rural farmer.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got your head up here, but you don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fifty years that I'd be pretty pissed off too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think more Democrats should get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think more people in the national media should understand it's not a minor thing on the right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a real fight between those two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we will speak about other fights, other news of the day, something more fun, nice drink that Jodie picked out because Donnie had a sad face.
[SPEAKER_06]: He had a sad.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bob Cesska's coming in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to talk about all of the news of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, and asbestos because that is a funny talk.
[SPEAKER_06]: Not really, but really, Bob will talk about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got some reasons.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll talk about all of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And more, we are glad you are with us on a Wednesday night here at the politics bar with the one and only Jody Hamilton and me, Sean Smith Pierce.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get some to drink, hang around.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back after we'd pay some bills at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're back here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is a Wednesday night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully your week has been decent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully you haven't worked as many hours as Jody seriously.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has, she works harder than anybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of the reasons why Jody that, you know, I was like, when I was going, you know, I have this idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I need somebody who can work for, I just didn't figure you'd be working on every show in no universe.
[SPEAKER_02]: We love your voice and we love your perspective and that is why, you know, it's like this works out perfectly.
[SPEAKER_02]: You and I just kind of pair off each other, which is kind of nice really well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I have to say, we were talking to the break.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trump in in twenty sixteen, the people around him, they really, really kind of aimed their thing at
[SPEAKER_02]: At those people, the Maga base who are mad about the Trump pushing into the Iran war, what did you say about them with Bernie?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, he is his economic stuff.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, he was running as if he were Bernie Sanders.
[SPEAKER_06]: He didn't do anything that he promised, but
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you lied like a rug.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, but he was running like Bernie did and just but I hate belaboring, twenty sixteen, but you know he did lose to Hillary Clinton technically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, if you counted the votes and we didn't have the stupid racist X, yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the electoral college.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: and also Jim Komi and also Russians and social media.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I mean, she won in spite of a lot of, she won the popular vote in spite of all of that, which means without the electoral college, he would have never been president.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we would have never had to deal with so much of the garbage, including, including, of course, the Supreme Court, which
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this this gets enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: This Supreme Court on the left has never gotten enough attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ellie missed all who we had in here a few weeks back.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can get him back in again.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen Barb who we just had last week say similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen Harry Litman.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have him next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen Glenn Kirchner.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be here tomorrow tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are all fantastic legal minds.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they've all said the same thing, which is Democrats have not concentrated on paying attention as Supreme Court for years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And today's big decision.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were five of them, and one of them was really, really heinous.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I think it came down while you were at Steph's house this morning.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: For those of you who missed it, the Supreme Court today did uphold the Tennessee ban on gender-referring care for minors.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you might think, oh, let's just Tennessee.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not just necessarily.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was a six, three decision, standard split, all conservatives on one side, all the liberals on the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So where do we even start with this thing?
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, it's separate but equal.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the problem is, is like, so many parents get upset with school boards deciding what their children should learn.
[SPEAKER_06]: But this is not allowing parents to take care of their children first off.
[SPEAKER_06]: And secondly, the argument that the plaintiffs had was that other medications are allowed to be given to say young boys, like testosterone or other things that they might need, but a trans boy is not allowed to get that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And it's medical, and the argument against all of that was
[SPEAKER_06]: It's unsafe.
[SPEAKER_06]: It is not unsafe.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if there's a problem, you can stop taking it.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the beauty of hormones is, as soon as you stop taking it, it's out of your system very quickly.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, you go back.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like when I was on the birth control.
[SPEAKER_06]: Up until I was fifty, my doctor, she said, I want to take you off your birth control just to see where your hormone levels are because you're fifty now, you know.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I said, sure, and then I said, should I use condoms with my husband?
[SPEAKER_06]: And she just said, sure, she thought, she knew more than I did.
[SPEAKER_06]: And you know, it was off of it for two weeks.
[SPEAKER_06]: They took blood and I was menopausal.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so Bill, my was done.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the thing is it only took two weeks for them to get out of my system.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay, and I'd been on them forever.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the fact is, it's safe.
[SPEAKER_06]: And whatever problems that occur with hormonal therapy, which the birth control is that, and HRT is that, and all of that stuff is, the parents are understanding that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And if there's a problem, you take them off of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I mean, a friend of mine, she had a stroke in her twenties, and it was based on taking birth control.
[SPEAKER_06]: So she just stopped taking birth control.
[SPEAKER_06]: She's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the structure doesn't touch the birth control too.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, if one causes side effects, it's like any medication.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: If one causes side effects, you use a different medication that is formulated to do similar things, but it is made up of different chemicals and things, and then you don't have the same effect.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they're taking away parents, right?
[SPEAKER_06]: So this is a parent's right to show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's a parent's right to show, but it's also, it's not just bad law.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The reason that's so much of this that I have referred to this as plusy separate but equal is
[SPEAKER_02]: Caitlin Burns, a transwriter over at MSNBC, she's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's done a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: She had some really good posts on this earlier on Blue Sky.
[SPEAKER_02]: The case by the way is called skirmetti.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she said the skirmetti's go-to-schooling claims Tennessee is not barring treatments based on sex.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: When Robert's wrote this ruling, he said, oh, this ruling isn't based on sex.
[SPEAKER_02]: You judge for me if this is based on sex, okay?
[SPEAKER_02]: So teenage cis boys can still get surgery for gynacomastia issues with their with their breast issue.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if it's a person who is assigned female, basically similar except sign female, they're barred for accessing the same treatment, exact same treatment.
[SPEAKER_02]: But one is a teenage cis boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: One is teenage trance and this.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: She goes further.
[SPEAKER_02]: She said, cis teen girls can still get breast implants or an estrogen regimen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Trance teen girls cannot now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is literally sex based discrimination.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But John Roberts said, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not really sex based discrimination.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just any found some legal wording to basically say, I think trans people are Ugi, which
[SPEAKER_02]: Last time I checked that ain't legal.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not logical.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not law.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, okay, legal is what we claim it to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it is not in any way scientific.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not, it should not be law because it's stupid.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's messed up as hell.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: That's that's Billy and the corner has kudis.
[SPEAKER_11]: Prove it.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_11]: Well, I can't, but he has kudis.
[SPEAKER_11]: And since I have the power of the Supreme Court, he has kudis and I don't get to treat him the same.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's, it's, eventually, hopefully this will be overturned.
[SPEAKER_02]: The emotional part of me would not only like to see it overturned.
[SPEAKER_02]: The emotional part of me would like to see the bastards on the Supreme Court thrown out and frog march to prison.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my anger.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I get that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's my emotion.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, it's not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I get that there are a lot of other people out there who feel the same way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it is, it's absolute discrimination.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now it's been codified in the law.
[SPEAKER_02]: Much like Plessy versus Ferguson was separate but equal.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was codified in the law.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I am certain that there were people when that was made law that were as pissed off then as we are now.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm sure there were.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they didn't give up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't go and, you know, whack the Supreme Board just as it's over the head and throwing the back of a wagon and drag them behind the horse.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's no, they didn't do any of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got up off the ground, they tested their asses off and they went, okay, well, we had to elect better people.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to elect better people who will get better people on the Supreme Court.
[SPEAKER_02]: And eventually, plus he was overturned.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what we got to do is the same thing with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same thing with Scarpetti.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is this, this is just, this is our scrappy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where do the hell is this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Scremetti.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just makes me a little, little frustrated because it's like, you know, it is, it's in justice.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we saw, we saw more of that with the, uh, the Brad lander situation yesterday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: What did you, did you, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_06]: People are saying that he did it to get attention.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is running for New York City, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's one of several candidates running for a York City mayor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been doing this for several weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: This particular version of this for several weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Brad Lander, he's the New York City Comptroller guy who controls the money, basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... he's also been a public advocate for years so different cases different times he would go in for a while and he would advocate for a certain group of people right so it's not like this is something that's entirely new did he start doing this particular thing with a group of other people who are also doing the same thing uh... with immigrants like three weeks ago yes
[SPEAKER_02]: hypothetically, could it have been political?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he's running for New York City mayor.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can't rule that out.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't none of that also, none of that change of the fact that I should not have laid their hands on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: None of that also makes it okay for ice to hover outside of courtrooms.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the minute that somebody is declared basically not legal to be here that they fall on them and run them through a hyper unjust system as it is right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So multiple things can be true at the same time, folks.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had another story.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's in the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_02]: You grabbed this one about iced attaining the Utah students.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Utah college students, they were stopped by Colorado Sheriff, simple traffic stop, whatever let go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ice decided to secretly access the Colorado Sheriff's files.
[SPEAKER_02]: So then they could chase after and get the Utah student.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: People say, well, is that legal?
[SPEAKER_02]: Technically it appears to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: Should it be legal?
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: And look, if you keep at it, there was a good story in the rotten ice section of the second round in the news on tap today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Judging Florida has found their state attorney general in Florida in contempt for defying a court order in a major immigration case.
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't happen because somebody sat back and said, well, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: breaking the law, but nobody's going to listen.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, after all, you know, stupid Trumpers on the whole state of Florida and governor was and courts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, we're just we're not going to win.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what's the point of now they actually kept going and now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there says to the attorney general, you got problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: So will that eventually end up with the Attorney General having serious sanctions?
[SPEAKER_02]: Will the Attorney General be forced by the public to step down?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the point is, just because we have an absolutely horrible decision at the Supreme Court doesn't mean that we give up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just because we lose a particular legal case, or, I mean, Kilmar Bergogarcia got taken to, you know, hellhole, and else Salvador.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we had a number of people, many of them Democrats in Congress who do not necessarily always get the credit that they should for the good stuff that they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Could they do more?
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know, you can't, if somebody has something good, you can't be like, you know, I am very glad that you brought that tray of Brent drinks to our table.
[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't spill and you didn't put a drop on the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you know what, you didn't do fast enough.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: You keep doing that to people and people will be like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you, I don't need to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will blow you off.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you got to give congrats to the people who keep going.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's, you know, that's what we want to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want people to keep going and keep fighting for the good things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Call me crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sometimes I sound like a negative Nelly, but I tend to be more of an optimist really.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of garbage out there right now, that's all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there is a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was there was some good news, though, do you hear about the Rubio?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, federal judge blocked Secretary of State, Marco Rubio's anti-trans anti-non-binary passport policy for everybody in the country.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to mark X on your passport, congratulations, you are now allowed to do that and move freely about the country again, which hell yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, there was an actor.
[SPEAKER_06]: She was trying to get her passport renewed and she strands and she couldn't get
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember her name.
[SPEAKER_06]: I can't remember her name.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't remember her name.
[SPEAKER_02]: You and I think that way we are the majority.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to remind ourselves of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: We tend to, you know, we're Democrats.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, we see one one in justice and we're like, oh, that sucks.
[SPEAKER_02]: So mad, we focus on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we forget about the good things, you know, like, for example, the new drink of the day today, which I'm really glad that you actually picked this one out today.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I'm sorry, any time we get a laugh at Donnie and his little small in the pants, pity party parade, you know, I'm all about that because while we don't necessarily think of it on their side, they do concentrate on some of the stuff too.
[SPEAKER_02]: They always put up a good face, but they actually, they get mad about some of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about the drink of the day coming up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, we're probably going to make some mug of folks who like Trump mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're hate listening, I'm, well, we're at least glad you're in the bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, you're here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get some to drink.
[SPEAKER_02]: We will come back with the drink of the day more of the news on tap Bob Ceska coming in the bar Some at some point here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give us our next hour and of course we we've got some voicemails from you as well We'll get to your messages the drinks Bob Ceska and more it's Wednesday night here at the politics bar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Margarita actually helps with certain aches and pains, although you're saying that this thing that's in your shoulder or sometimes moves around.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, sometimes it'll just hurt on one side and then it'll move over to the other side and it can last up to six weeks, sometimes longer.
[SPEAKER_06]: In ninety eight, when I was working with an old friend years ago, it would be so bad I couldn't turn my neck.
[SPEAKER_11]: Oh, good Lord.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, it's like it.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's been at points where I can't drive because I can't turn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's I mean, if you could if you could only turn right, that wouldn't be so bad because then you could, you know, live in New Jersey because they don't lie to really turn.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, just turning.
[SPEAKER_12]: Yeah, you know, you know what I mean, but for those of you in New Jersey, you understand.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, they told us to understand.
[SPEAKER_06]: No left turns there.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, it's it's just it
[SPEAKER_06]: I don't know what I did.
[SPEAKER_06]: I was sleeping at the time, so I have no idea what I did.
[SPEAKER_12]: And yet you woke up funny.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you always have a great sense of humor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your hilarious that way, but yeah, now waking up in pain is not necessarily good for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I have to admit, I was thinking about this when I saw what you would pick for the drink of the day today.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was thinking as you were going through things this morning before Steph's show when you were like, ah, you know, probably we were looking in your your file box or whatever for the drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just like, damn, I hurt.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's suffering.
[SPEAKER_02]: oh wait hey yeah that'd be that'd be great drink yes so what is the drink today officially officially it is called a suffering bastard there we go and uh
[SPEAKER_06]: All right, what you need, you need an old fashioned glass, an ounce of bourbon, an ounce of gin, an ounce of fresh lime juice, a dash of and gosh, true, a bitters.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: Angus dura.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's a tough word to pronounce.
[SPEAKER_02]: I trip over to sometimes.
[SPEAKER_06]: For us as if chilled ginger ale and a sprig of mint or an orange slice either or don't combine them that wouldn't taste good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think probably depends on whether you want more of the tang or more of the kind of a underground sweet kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and so what you do is you pour all the ingredients in an ice-filled into the ice-filled old-fashioned glass.
[SPEAKER_06]: Top with the ginger ale and garnish it with the sprig of mint or an orange slice and you can stir it up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_06]: It sounds refreshing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think it definitely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like, you know, I like everything that's in it, which is good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But definitely do not put the sprig of mint and the orange slice in at the same time.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, that I don't think that would taste good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that's that that would be like drinking orange juice and then immediately popping a stick at them in your mouth or brushing your teeth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's that's a good one brushing your teeth and then having orange juice.
[SPEAKER_06]: It just says.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that that is exactly then.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can I can almost taste that that would not be good, but this drink this this drink called the suffering bastard would be pretty good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you are wondering, you're like, hey, what did I was writing that down?
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, back to the news on tap for the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Big Bad Ugly Republican budget bill is still lumbering through the Senate.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there were some good news on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think you post pointing this out to me this morning last night.
[SPEAKER_02]: It all makes us together.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are still significant challenges for the Republicans to overcome.
[SPEAKER_02]: And frankly, they're not going to do this budget life for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God, no.
[SPEAKER_06]: They'll be lucky to get it done by August.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, but here's the thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got, it's got the debt ceiling in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is, it is a ticking time bomb that they have set off for themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, it's got all kinds of other things.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's another story we have in the news on tap today that the reconciliation bill, that's what this is, would also give Trump cart launch to reorganize agencies and fire federal workers.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's not budgetary, is it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes and no depends on it kind of depends on how you phrase it right it is it is the legal equivalent of of the phrase my dad used to say which is if you don't put the right in fastest and the right syllable right
[SPEAKER_02]: more of the right emphasis on the right soul.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, so that's as long as they say it correctly and, you know, put their hands in the right place and stick their tongue out in the right, you know, wave round, spit three times, turn around and whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then yes, technically they can get away with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what they're trying to do when a lot of this stuff on this big ugly bill is get it through.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's nothing like the the genius crypto act.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still mad that thing passed sixty eight to thirty in the senate and it's being sent to the house now which I don't know why my senators I think both of them did vote for it and I don't know why I don't know why a number of senators I'm listening I don't know why Corey did I was like dude but I'm
[SPEAKER_02]: there is there is the perspective and we put it in that the news on tap today a press berry i can green says the genius crypto act will bring economic chaos to us all and i don't think it will bring total economic destruction it's not oh my god in the world we're all gonna die but it's not great it's gonna bring more instability and we're gonna have to go back and fix it which that's
[SPEAKER_02]: So many of the things that have gone on both in the first Trump regime and the second one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember whether it was you, uh, and Steph show or you on Bob show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know either.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just just just remember folks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jody is always right.
[SPEAKER_02]: early, usually writing you and you were right about this when you were talking about the the it was a two point five three percent or something like that that news people but what I don't think people get is that it's it's it's it's not just once right we don't just show up once and go well you made three percent three percent of total population is against this you could have it your way
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be sustained every single.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've heard the the folks at indivisible and fifty fifty one are now planning their next big event for mid July.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think it's July, seventeen is what Tom Harmon said, which is is a Thursday.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I'm not sure that that's a good day.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like Thursday not generally a good day for protest.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the same reason why the protests have been smaller in LA Monday through Friday.
[SPEAKER_05]: Right.
[SPEAKER_05]: People are working.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dean, hello.
[SPEAKER_06]: The curfew has been lifted down town now, so that's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aren't they sending more?
[SPEAKER_02]: Didn't they send more earlier today, more?
[SPEAKER_06]: Two thousand trips or whatever, but I mean, the hearing was yesterday.
[SPEAKER_06]: It sounds like they're not going to rule in Newsom's favor by virtue of the questions, but that's only three people.
[SPEAKER_06]: And he can go on bunk if he wants to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't rolled yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't.
[SPEAKER_06]: They haven't rolled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least, at least since since we got into here in the bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although I've always loved that phrase on Bach because it always makes me think of Bach.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those who you might not know on Bach just means that they put it through the first three judges.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He appeals court.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then if you get the answer, you don't want you appeal to everybody on the appeals court.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the ninth circuit is relatively liberal.
[SPEAKER_06]: So.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they get a bad ruling, if they get a ruling, they don't like to make a back appeal to all of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think is there, how many is in the ninth circle?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a twelfth on the ninth?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's, so they'll, yeah, I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then the government, then Donald will appeal to the Supreme Court if, if do some gets his ruling, then it will go up the food chain.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right, which is because Donald wants to do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's sending troops everywhere right now and and just stupid things he did anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a discussion we can have more with Bob when he ever gets here to the bar or another day because I am just.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The big ugly bill has some things that some of the corporations aren't liking too.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is another thing it's going to start hitting.
[SPEAKER_02]: As more things go through the Senate, the longer it takes them, and then of course it's going to have to go back through the house because there's going to be a lot of changes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The big corporations, the hospital corporations, have been stunned by the Republican plans in the Senate to get Medicaid in this big ugly budget bill.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they are big, big, big donors to Republican politicians.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hell, one of them, the current center, one of the two current senators from the state of Florida, used to be one of those big, uh, people, yes.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he committed fraud.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, Rick Scott, also known as Batboy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's literally, I've seen pictures of the two of them together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Twins, separated a breath.
[SPEAKER_02]: and that boy looks better.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the corporations, there's a lot of the corporate stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're going to start getting, they're already starting, they've been hit by the tariffs, they've been hit by a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the longer this stuff, the longer these, this big ugly bill takes, the longer any of these things take in a house and Senate.
[SPEAKER_02]: The more that they have some discussions with these politicians, and they say, I'd like to make you a deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it is one that most of them have a very hard time saying no to.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we will see.
[SPEAKER_02]: I still don't think I still think we need to push every single moment to make sure that, you know, everybody has pushing on it great call your senators call your Congress people.
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's do what we can to make sure it keeps getting toasted.
[SPEAKER_02]: But in the end, I think it's not going to pass.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to have to pass a CR.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they will end up passing a continuum resolution bill that will take them through the election, the twenty twenty six election.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at that point, they are for the most part going to Twitter their thumbs.
[SPEAKER_02]: and get absolutely nothing done, which is what the last Republican Congress did the last two years of the Biden Harris administration.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yep, they don't, they don't work well with others.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, unless unless they get a hundred percent of their way, a hundred percent of the time, Republicans and Congress are effectively worthless.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, I mean, with Nancy Pelosi, when she was the speaker with the various tight margins that she had, she did really well in passing legislation, unfortunately, the Senate blocked it, most of it.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I mean, she did a really good job getting that stuff done.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Democrats are like hurting cats.
[SPEAKER_06]: So the fact that she could do that, and these guys who are basically in lockstep, ninety percent of the time can't even get, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, they can't even pass gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what my dad also used to jokingly saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: These people are so constipated, they can't pass and I went, well, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that the densely would disagree with it.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the dens have been adding a bunch of amendments.
[SPEAKER_06]: They added a bunch last night, which is coming up.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's coming up the works, which is good.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's all they can really do.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I'm glad they're doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and it'll make it politically toxic for Republicans.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, they're making them vote.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're making them vote on all these things, which is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: When when we asked Democrats to do things, we were saying earlier, you know, you got to get a cheer them on when they're doing the right thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the right thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Democrats in Congress is if that's the only thing that you can do, then by God, that's what we expect you to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make it so ugly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make it hurt so much that the political ads against these Republicans write themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm just telling you for Democrats and Democratic staff on the Hill who are listening to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't actually expect the ads to write themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't actually do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just, you know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: So sometimes you've got to be specific with these folks.
[SPEAKER_02]: True.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying they're dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying it's not really their ballowic.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're they're good at policy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not necessarily always so good at politics, which.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's what we like to do, but they got to get hired first.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we do have more news on tap.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do have Bob Ceska coming up as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we got some voicemails, some messages.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's been a pretty good week so far here at the politics bar.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Let her call.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Jodie, it is halfway through our Wednesday night here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Aren't you gonna be really glad when this Saturday comes?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll have done like five hundred hours of live shows and two hundred live reads and three, you know, three different ads and you know, juggled five cats and two dogs and two cats.
[SPEAKER_02]: climb the upper state building.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, don't tell Stephanie, but I've been giving her dogs extra biscuits.
[SPEAKER_06]: He's kids.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_12]: You've been giving her dogs extra biscuits.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, well, they run downstairs in the morning.
[SPEAKER_06]: They look at me and I, there's her stash for them is right to the right.
[SPEAKER_06]: So I grabbed the two, give them to them.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then they keep sitting there.
[SPEAKER_06]: And so I've been giving them at least two.
[SPEAKER_12]: Because they know that Jodie is the good one.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm there anti-mommy and I can spoil them.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're they're like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm down with that look.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm a hundred percent down with spoiling pop spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our pop by the way we took him took him to the vet this week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we had to go to the vet because he had to poops issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_08]: That happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: It happens and he's got.
[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned you had kind of a herniated disc.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has one kind of an his lower back.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's not super bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can jump around.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can play with his friends and he does, which is great.
[SPEAKER_02]: He jumps for treats.
[SPEAKER_02]: What he wants to.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the whole idea of sitting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like when if you've hurt your back or you get older and you're trying to sit down and you get about thirty percent of the way into the sitting position and then you're like, oh, this is going to hurt this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you just have to sit down really fast.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of what he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we're like, and he doesn't always do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't do it all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so we started our vet said the first thing you can try is a couple different medicines.
[SPEAKER_02]: Simple ones, not LeBrella, not the big one.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the one later.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we could try things like the cold laser and acupuncture.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, so we're trying different things.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's started us with the first little pain meds.
[SPEAKER_02]: So gave him the pain made yesterday and he was so stoned.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was like, so, you know, took him, took him out for, for walk yesterday and, and he sees one of his pup friends and you could just tell that the reaction, you know, you kind of watch him sometimes you see this and his reaction was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: This friend is like, hey, Kiwi, how you doing?
[SPEAKER_02]: Kiwi is like, yo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I, you know, so we're like, okay, well, maybe we'll try the other pain med because that one is a little too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just just a little heavy on the
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, try something slightly less, slightly less high and giving us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, slightly less an e-breeding.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's by the way speaking of an e-breeding.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but don't drive.
[SPEAKER_06]: Just stay home.
[SPEAKER_06]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Never drink and drive her.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is not a good idea.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So news today, some good stuff actually happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, some of it's bad, but it's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dolly Parton, Tom Cruise, Debbie Allen, and Wind Thomas are all getting honorary Oscars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which, hey, I'm, I'm all forgiven Dolly Parton and honorary Oscar, because it's, is she's Dolly Freaking Parton?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: My youngest brother, by the way, him and his wife on their, they did two honey moons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, whatever, young generation, he's a, he's a youngster.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's a decade younger than I am.
[SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: But one of their honey moons, they went to Dollywood.
[SPEAKER_06]: Oh, fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, well, that's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, okay, here's this cool thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's this cool thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we ate this great thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's this great thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when I'm sitting there going, you're just loading this over all of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like, yeah, you people had to work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he is he's very, um, sassy sometimes very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've got some good siblings, two brothers and sisters, some good folks there.
[SPEAKER_02]: something else that was good friend of mine is a huge floor to Panthers fan.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm I'm very glad Erica with the K that you're you're happy this year for to Panthers defeated the Edmonton Oilers for their second straight Stanley Cup title so that that's that's good for you
[SPEAKER_02]: I know a few other people who are whether fans who would have rather than the Canada one because hockey Canada, duh, duh, whatever NBA finals game six is going on right now if you are listening to this and flipping back and forth between this and the game do not spoil it for us, do not post about it and spoil it for us.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, we'll check it later after that we close the bars, you know, do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, um, there is some sad news though in the entertainment world.
[SPEAKER_06]: Um, Amber L. Yeah, she's young too.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, she's only fifty five.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, and they haven't said how she died.
[SPEAKER_06]: They're investigating because when you're that young with no medical underlying medical conditions and autopsy is in order.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and last time I checked, I think they said that the initial indications were that she may have had a heart attack?
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I mean, that's what technically that's what kills everybody is your heart stops.
[SPEAKER_06]: But she wasn't cardiac arrest, but she was DOA once she got to the hospital.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think she had did she have some substance abuse problems earlier in my I have no idea I guess I always know that that that tends to to wear on people's hearts and stuff but I mean you know could have been could have been anything we don't know yet so we'll have to have to wait till they announce that information that was that she's always used on me the worst cooks in America that was always fun to kind of watch those people and Watch her kind of sit there and laugh at them and be like are you freaking kidding me which
[SPEAKER_02]: I realize a lot of people are saying that about the the US potentially getting involved in another Middle East war, which is.
[SPEAKER_06]: We don't do well.
[SPEAKER_06]: That is in Jimmy Carter.
[SPEAKER_06]: We really don't do well when we medal in the Middle East.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other than Jimmy Carter, a Democrat who was working on peace in the Middle East, we don't do well.
[SPEAKER_06]: And Obama tried with the Iran agreement.
[SPEAKER_06]: Another doubt.
[SPEAKER_06]: He did.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm seeing a pattern here, Joe.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's shocked at peace.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least some success.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting how this works.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we also balance budgets.
[SPEAKER_06]: We also have
[SPEAKER_06]: Anyway, we can go on and on and on.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is something that we don't do enough in the Democratic Party is that we don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mentioned that earlier, we don't lot our successes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do not point out to people, hey, we done some great things.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are often, you know, we are the first people who will look at each other and be like,
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're you're a millimeter off on that or you're you're tiny bit any and we should we should celebrate our successes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So at the state level at the local level at the national level.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and yeah, I get I get being mad about the potential for us going to war in Iran.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, Chris Murphy's got a bill.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are multiple different bills right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: In fact, there is a bipartisan group of Congress members who have blocked this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're backing a resolution to block the US from actually going in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And one of the people who's actually behind you is somebody with whom I have very little in common.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just like him quite a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Republican Thomas Massey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, he's he's the guy who is so far to the right that Donald Trump threatened him on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was the big ugly bill and he voted against it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he and and Massey was like bite me Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He he isn't an area that's so red.
[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like he's wearing, you know, University of Nebraska corn huskers gear.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I mean, he's he's in a very safe district.
[SPEAKER_06]: It would be hard to understand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Red Ruby Ruby read.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but look, I mean, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's if that's what he believes.
[SPEAKER_02]: whatever, at least he is standing up for that and saying that, you know, and he's working with of all people.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's working with Rokana, who's actually pretty liberal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Elhan Omar and Representative Acasio Cortez have also kind of signed on to this effort.
[SPEAKER_02]: Congressional Progressive Caucus Chair Greg Kazar from Texas.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, these are political bedfellas that you would not normally see hanging out together.
[SPEAKER_02]: True.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very true.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're just like, look, they're not saying that the United States should never ever go to war again.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're saying if we're going to go to war, let's make it go through Congress.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's supposed to.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when it goes through Congress, it would have to be declared, and they would have the interest aligned, they would actually have to a lot's money for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they would do the things that Congress is actually supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Congress hasn't done since World War II.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: And also everybody would be on record, whether they're not they support it.
[SPEAKER_02]: right it couldn't be one of those I was before it before I was against it before it before was against it right so and and look if there are enough people they could get past yes they could they could put a war powers resolution together in Tim Kane my center here in Virginia he's been trying to do that too on the Senate side mm-hmm that's great Trump vetoed two of those war powers resolutions during his first term mm-hmm
[SPEAKER_02]: But and one of them concerned Iran, just for those of you who are counting on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact of the matter is, if you want to get it so that it can't be vetoed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a veto proof majority.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have to get some Republicans, some Democrats, some centers, some liberals, some moderates.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tea party you're here in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maga here in there, whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to have to get all these people in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in order to make sure that it's veto proof.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would definitely like to see this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to go to war, I think it should go through Congress because they represent all of us.
[SPEAKER_06]: And we can get to them easier than we can get to the president.
[SPEAKER_06]: And the president doesn't have the right to just declare war.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't, when we don't mean get to in a negative way, because there is another story that broke later in the day here today.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, the Minnesota State rep who was assassinated, Melissa Hartman, former speaker of the Minnesota House, they had to kill their dog, they had to put their dog down because she and her husband got killed by this crazy right-wing manga guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: their family still has more unfortunately to deal with poor people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there's a break-in reported at the at their home in Brooklyn Park, Minnesota.
[SPEAKER_02]: So those of you in the A.M.
[SPEAKER_02]: nine fifty area.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am sorry about this because you hadn't heard that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, overnight break-in last night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, thankfully the the police investigators had processed the home.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was finished being processed.
[SPEAKER_02]: They'd taken out some of the items of value and things and then they put plywood.
[SPEAKER_02]: covering some of the major entries, but it looks like somebody plight off the plywood on one of the rear windows of the home, so that somebody could probably go in and try to put this on their blog.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, people are stupid when it comes to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are so dumb.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like folks, you realize that the last people in their were cops.
[SPEAKER_02]: They processed the entire scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have all the fibers.
[SPEAKER_02]: They know everything that was there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You went in there and guess what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of your fibers and some of your DNA is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they'll know exactly where to look for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they will be coming for you because you did something you really, really shouldn't have done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: people are so dumb.
[SPEAKER_05]: The poor family, I just feel terrible for their family.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just start to go out to them and to everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, they're in Minnesota who's dealing with this because it's, it's, well, we talk about getting people.
[SPEAKER_02]: We talk about reaching out to them.
[SPEAKER_02]: What we mean is, you know, call them the phone or having been a town hall, which is where we want them to be.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to be able to have them to be to answer to us, especially on issues like going to war.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Damn Skippy, we want them to answer to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that's how we do things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bob Cesca, we are going to get him in the bar here coming up because somebody's got to talk me down off of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm a little, little just worked up today, you know, there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And more thing, the stupid Supreme Court thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to get Bob in.
[SPEAKER_02]: He will talk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also, he mentioned the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got it in the news on Tap today too about Sbestos.
[SPEAKER_06]: Did you heard this one?
[SPEAKER_06]: No, I had not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we'll point that out as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bob says to come up here on the politics part.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be right back after we pay some bills at the politics part.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a Wednesday night here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: We are back with one of the only Mr. Bob Ceska.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_09]: The idea of a Pope Bob, like, whoa.
[SPEAKER_12]: I mean, it's Pope Bob coming in and hanging out with us.
[SPEAKER_03]: Bob, how's your name?
[SPEAKER_03]: My son's name.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: How's your week been so far, ma'am?
[SPEAKER_03]: Good, good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything going along swimmingly as best a can in this era.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, it's, you know, it's going along as best as as it's going along.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate to use the military phrase, but it's snafu, situation normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: All messed up.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's pretty much, I mean, that is, that is the case for this particular era that we are in.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm sure, obviously, you've been paying attention to the little civil war or uncivil war between the pro maga, they are the, they, they, I don't know why the pro war faction and the anti-war faction, I guess, of maga?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish you this were happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish this civil war inside.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's even a civil war.
[SPEAKER_03]: Am I exaggerating on that?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not about that.
[SPEAKER_03]: This spat, this freak has in and among the maga leadership.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wish this had to do with something that didn't involve the possibility of World War three or the possibility of any war for that matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why can't they fight like this over some nonsense over the Trump phone or something?
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we talked about this in our first hour here at the politics bar and I am of the mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm of the camp and you may disagree with me about that's fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Jody agrees with me on this is that this is this is a real a real schism between the two sides because there's there's there's the the pro-war neo-conside who's always they've been wanting to go to war with Iran for forty years yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: And then there is the other side and the other side is the people who.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were maga before Donald Trump even existed.
[SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because these are the people who have been economically ignored and had their value sucked out of their their rural and areas that border rural areas for fifty years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then twenty five years ago, Bush and Cheney and the the Neocons said, Hey, I got a great idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's start a war or two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they needed bodies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they used them up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they spent trillions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they killed a bunch of people and left a bunch of just destroyed people behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of these people were the children of the people who were from these areas.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it already had all the values sucked out of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now they had this.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were so pissed.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were so.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was one of the reasons that Obama got elected in
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that that McCain?
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, God, yes, he picked a palin, which was awful.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he was basically promising.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's continue more wars.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember on the campaign trail.
[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when I was working for Obama and Biden back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was something you could get somebody who, normally would not have voted for a Democrat.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they would be like, Obama's Protestant stopped the war.
[SPEAKER_02]: You think he's going to say, well, I think he's going to try.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they'd be like, I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They there was no.
[SPEAKER_02]: No equivocating.
[SPEAKER_12]: It was I like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Those those are the same people that in twenty sixteen the PR people but around on Trump picked up that torch and ran with it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's absolutely true.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think what we're seeing here is the dividing line between these two factions now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess we can call them factions is, and Donald Trump is kind of stuck in the middle where, well, I guess he kind of, it's bizarre thing to say, but Donald Trump is really leaning toward the neoconside of all of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes he is the interventionist side of the maga divide and it's it's all at once weird and not surprising at all because right ultimately the people who believe that he was really seriously all about no forever wars and nation building and all those things
[SPEAKER_03]: They were suckered just along with so many other maga disciples, suckered by Donald Trump's lies and deceit and all the rest of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it turns out Donald Trump's just like everyone that we were talking about twenty years ago, which is big tax cuts for the super wealthy and
[SPEAKER_03]: the nation building regime and overseas.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so every the world in the working class people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So all of that stuff is researching now.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think some of the suckers who believe that Donald Trump was some sort of new kind of conservative Republican are beginning to realize, oh, wait a second.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just like all those other guys.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not me taking the side, make no mistake.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not defending Alex Jones or Steve Bannon or any of these guys who are on the Tucker Carlson in particular, who are on the side of no more forever wars and things like that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's just, it's funny to observe all of this.
[SPEAKER_03]: And quite honestly, there's another analysis to be made about what Donald Trump is doing right now, which is that he may not be Neocondon.
[SPEAKER_03]: He may not be that guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: He may just be doing this thing where he acts like he's crazy, the fire and fury thing that we saw in twenty seventeen.
[SPEAKER_03]: He may be just bringing that back and trying that because that's his only negotiation tactic.
[SPEAKER_03]: The art of the deal guy doesn't really know how to deal with foreign affairs like this and the possibility of a gigantic war.
[SPEAKER_03]: So all he's got is, I'm crazy Donald.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't know where they're and what a ziggers act and that's
[SPEAKER_03]: And so he keeps everyone off balance.
[SPEAKER_03]: He frightens them into acquiescing, but I don't know that that's going to get him out of this this time around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if that's going to work.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, this is a very delicate, delicate situation that I don't know that he doesn't see anybody use art dealer or use the ill state dealer.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, when you said crazy Donnie, I was just thinking crazy at his cars.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So great.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I am with you, but I do think that it's a real schism.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I honestly think this is a great time for Democrats of whatever stripe to step up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if they've been, you know, a little on your naughty list, your personal naughty list, we each have them of Democrats that have bugged us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chris Murphy, you've done some great stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wrote a piece in the banter recently, you're like, oh man, dude.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's one of those things where
[SPEAKER_02]: These people are up for grabs to some degree to a limited degree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think Democrats should definitely say they should put four resolutions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even if they know they're not going to pass me like every war from now on needs to go through Congress.
[SPEAKER_06]: It should.
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the rule that stems the law.
[SPEAKER_03]: It should be, it's a can do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can certainly propose those things where it goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really am leaning more toward the idea that maybe the Democrats should just shut the F up for now on this particular issue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let the Republicans figure it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: They wanted complete control of this government.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They wanted to change how the government operates.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they configure this out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whole bunch of voters turned around in this past election, turned out and decided to elect Donald Trump and a Republican Congress and obviously buttressing a Republican conservative Supreme Court.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you got all three branches of the government all operating generally speaking along the same lines.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they can see if they can punch their way out of this paper.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_06]: I think that's smart.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: Same time.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to make sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also don't want necessarily leave it to these incompetent boobs to deal with something that is this as I was saying before that it was this delicate.
[SPEAKER_03]: But there's nothing that there's nothing else really we can do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think Chuck Schumer is going to talk some sense into Donald Trump?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, but you know, I do know these negotiations absolutely not right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I do know like Tim Cain is putting forward a resolution anti war resolution.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do know that there is a bipartisan one.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got that.
[SPEAKER_02]: The news on tap today of all people together.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is the strangest bedfell as Thomas Massey and Roe comma.
[SPEAKER_02]: putting together this resolution to be like, you know, we need to have some more powers here in Congress as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're getting some interesting support from interesting groups of people that maybe you wouldn't have put together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I would have never put Rokana and Thomas Massey together if we're almost any reason.
[SPEAKER_03]: Sam.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Rokana seems a little bit prone toward trying to find common ground in some of these people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, which and so that remains to be seen how this is going to play out.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was certainly the first on board with hey, you know what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's give Elon Musk and Doge a chance.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we've seen how that's turned out.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I would be very hesitant to try to throw in with the Republicans.
[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly, it plays well with both sides thing on cable news and elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: But when it really comes down to it, among Democrats, I think what we're looking for is is Democratic leadership to take a hard line approach on this, or as I was saying a second ago, to just shut up.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what's I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: This, this, this kind of, this kind of splits that if they say,
[SPEAKER_02]: If they would do something more, that would be not shutting up.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if they do this simple thing of, hey, we're trying to do war power's resolution.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got some buy-in from all sides.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's something that they've done before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember Trump vetoed a couple of those.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them on Iran in his first regime.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, okay, well, you know, that's that's doing something, which is what we want them to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we should praise them for doing something.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then kind of be like, okay, how'd you done something?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, what you're doing something, let them, you know, take take Wifflebats and beat the Snot out of each other.
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess there is some wisdom to at least trying to do something, even though it's not going to really go anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: So being able to say, well, you know what, I gave it a shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little from your idea, a little from Miami, a little from Colombe, and at least it's better than sitting there, twiddling their thumbs and doing nothing, nothing, or going out every single day on TV and saying, I've got this really dumb idea, which Democrats have been known to do both.
[SPEAKER_03]: when it comes right down to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Donald Trump's not going to have any of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not going to be told by Congress, whether it's Democrats and Republicans working together, it's just Republicans or what have you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because this is a guy who's not even into the idea of multilateralism.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has no interest in working with other nations to
[SPEAKER_03]: create some sort of piece of agreement here, anything from a ceasefire to some sort of rekindling of the JPCOA.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think any of that's gonna happen.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think this is all about Donald Trump wanting to scream and throw a tantrum and frighten people into doing what he wants them to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's gonna have its limitations.
[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly after we've seen him over recent weeks and months,
[SPEAKER_03]: trickling out of many of his friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not just it's not just for the economy that you chickens out he chickens out for foreign policy stuff too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also think there's something involved in this with Bebe.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean do you do you think that you know that that Bebe's influence on him
[SPEAKER_02]: is involved in part of this because we don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, BB wants this war.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yes, he does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Certainly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Netanyahu as well as many other foreign leaders know exactly how to manipulate Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm sure that's what Netanyahu has been doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's got to be a manual going around or a playbook or some sort of cheat sheet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, um, every world leader, the Donald Trump interacts with.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the, the here's how we're going to rabbit season duck season Donald into doing the things that we wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm absolutely one thousand percent certain that's been the case with we all know with Vladimir Putin.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Vladimir, yeah, basically wrote that book.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then we've seen it being used with Emmanuel Macron.
[SPEAKER_03]: We've seen this being used with other EU leadership, and also President G of China, and it's been playing Donald Trump like a fiddle at every turn.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so the desire here is knowing that Donald Trump will be manipulated, and Donald Trump is going to continue to do his thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: All we can really do
[SPEAKER_03]: is hope that everything turns out well, in spite of Donald Trump's horrendous and incompetent regime and his attempts at pretending like he's a real world leader, which he absolutely is not.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is a poser.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is someone who is
[SPEAKER_03]: So greatly out of his depth, he does not belong anywhere in the same category.
[SPEAKER_03]: The funny thing, seeing him with the G seven leaders and sticking out like a sore thumb, where these are our competent, rational people, even though we may not agree with every last thing that they talk about, but the fact of the matter is at least they know what they're doing, at least they know how to comport themselves on the world stage, unlike Donald Trump, who's just an ongoing embarrassment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, he is what the Jody labeled the drink of the day.
[SPEAKER_06]: Suffering bastard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the perfect title for the drink the day and that is the perfect label for Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not standing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And every time that he suffers in general,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's pretty good because it seemed like he's unhappy the rest of us are a lot more happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I'm good with that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, one of my favorite things of the maybe of the past month or two is seeing just how miserable he was at his parade the other day.
[SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's a little birthday party.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just seeing him, yes, looking like the last little boy at the state carnival after his ice cream has fallen off the cone.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's just standing there with one tear rolling down his face, just miserable.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love every second of that, every photo that came down, every video clip was just to me, just the most joyous thing that I've seen in politics and recent memory.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I honestly, I kind of wonder if he's just sitting there part of missing their gun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, I, I thought this would be better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't know why it's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And just let him wander.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let him wander.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because clearly he obviously doesn't know why people hate him so much.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I've got another thought about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because we, we can talk about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can tell you talk about the Supreme Court, the, the,
[SPEAKER_02]: new version of Plessy for trans kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, that that pissed me off earlier today.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I might have to talk me down off of off the ledge on that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we do have a story that was in the unhealthy America section of the news on tap today, but the Trump EPA, they're revisiting the Biden era ban on as best host.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you may need another drink.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't worry, it is last call coming up here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get yourself a drink.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Last call here at the politics bar on a Wednesday night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we've got our phone number here that we give out to people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you've ever heard our phone number before.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I have not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's two one three six seven seven seventy two fifty eight and of course, like all good radio shows, we've been able to make up at least one word out of the numbers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two one three six seven seven salt.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you know, like in a margarita.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that works.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I'm like, yeah, that's fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we we have people they they they leave voicemails and things at one particular person.
[SPEAKER_02]: She called him.
[SPEAKER_02]: She left the voicemail.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should just play the voicemail.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hang on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hi, my name is Jenny and I'm calling from Baltimore.
[SPEAKER_04]: The only thing you know is the ship who calls in because she's got a portion of access.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm calling in because I wanted to remind folks that there's this whole population of people with disabilities that are young and are going to need support for the rest of their lives.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm speaking about my twenty three year old daughter
[SPEAKER_04]: who has autism, profound autism, and other folks like her, then there are millions of them because there are more and more people being diagnosed at the time.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I just wanted to remind folks that when they talk about cutting Medicaid, they're talking about making people with autism homes.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's ultimately what happened.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks again, I love your show.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's Jenny, thank you, Linghor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes, Jenny's awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you might enjoy hearing from Jenny.
[SPEAKER_02]: She has a crush on you and we just figured, you know, we would play her comments before you since since she has a crush on you of all people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, she's well, that's very nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but she's just at the road in Baltimore.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, she's not far.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's much closer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we love Kimberly.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should invite her into the bar again sometime because she's great.
[SPEAKER_02]: But the healthcare thing is a note because we all know that Republicans in this big ugly bill are doing really, really stupid things, trying to get Medicare, trying to get Medicaid.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you thought that they were done being stupid,
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't even begun to reach the bottom.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Trump EPA is looking to revisit the Biden era ban on the last type of best of asbestos that was allowed to be used in the U.S.
[SPEAKER_02]: and the current Dushbag head of the EPA who used to be in Congress.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're putting what like a thirty month moratorium on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they can discover if asbestos can still be used.
[SPEAKER_06]: No, it can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are they going to bring back full little mind now?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, exactly right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I get the sense that this has a lot to do with Donald Trump and his janky buildings.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, not wanting to have to pay for asbestos mitigation.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, like with my house because it was built in nineteen thirty nine.
[SPEAKER_06]: And with plaster walls, there is a specialist as insulation.
[SPEAKER_06]: And when we read the insulation in our attic several years ago, I had to tell, you know, the people that were doing it.
[SPEAKER_06]: I said, look, there's a specialist up there.
[SPEAKER_06]: So you guys need to, you know, hazmat suits and everything.
[SPEAKER_06]: And they, they were able to get it all out very safely.
[SPEAKER_06]: But that's a thing.
[SPEAKER_06]: If I want to do any sort of remodeling on this house, that's one thing I have to let people know because it's a carcinogen.
[SPEAKER_06]: If it's just in the walls, it's safe because it's not moving around.
[SPEAKER_06]: But once you start doing stuff to renovate, then all bets are off.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's very dangerous.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's a fire retardant, but that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you can't smell it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no specific color to it.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing to distinguish.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so the problem is people, you know, start getting out their sledge hammers and like HGTV, talking things down, suddenly all that power blows back in their faces and fast forward a few years and suddenly they're dealing with Mesothelioma or something horrendous along those lines.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so, yes, I mean, it's common sense to ban this material.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why this is even a debate.
[SPEAKER_03]: The fact that they're bringing it back or allowing it to be legal again is just another thing on a long list of
[SPEAKER_03]: health care atrocities by this administration and just complete blindness to the realities of what a lot of people are dealing with.
[SPEAKER_03]: In lieu of, as I said before, helping business interests and so on, having to, you know, being allowed to avoid as best as mitigation, I have to show out that kind of cash.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't even thought of becoming from that direction that it's about Donald Trump having to do as best as mitigation on his properties, which, you know, that that very well could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, how old is Marlago?
[SPEAKER_03]: Marlago goes back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it seems to want to use.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's about a century old.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I can only imagine what's in, and it's certainly not been the same structure since the nineteen twenties.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure there's been renovations in there, even though it looks like a gotty measure.
[SPEAKER_03]: Looks like Trump Tower farted inside and started inside Mara Logo inside that building.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a story, there's always a story I know, but there's a story I have.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when I was working for Randy Rhodes the second time up here in DC and she decided to move the show to back to Florida where she's still at her house.
[SPEAKER_02]: which we did that whole move my wife and I did my wife had not moved out here yet to DC she was still back in Nebraska so literally we moved my wife and our stuff that was in Nebraska and myself from here in DC to Florida did all of that in a week and I had that we we did not have anywhere to go to when when we started that we didn't have a place we didn't have an apartment we didn't have anything down in Florida
[SPEAKER_02]: So I literally put my car on the auto train.
[SPEAKER_02]: For those of you who don't know, there is a train, one train in the United States, which goes from the DC, just south of the DC area all the way down to Florida to Sanford, Florida.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you basically you drive, you, they put the your car on a train.
[SPEAKER_02]: They take the train there overnight.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wake up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They take your car off.
[SPEAKER_02]: You get back in and you can drive really, really nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I took the train down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Went down there and I had scouted out a few apartments, few town homes, looked at a few things.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of them happened to be in the neighborhood near Mara Logo.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I was going by and there's this, it's obvious from the side.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a strip club.
[SPEAKER_02]: Middlely afternoon, like three o'clock in the afternoon, front doors the strip club are literally wide open and you can sit from the four lane road that I was driving down.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, this is the neighborhood around Mara Logo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you freaking kidding me?
[SPEAKER_02]: And then I thought about it a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I went, no Donald Trump.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this was, this was, you know, two thousand, ten thousand eleven more in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, so obviously before he came back, but I went, no wait, Donald Trump, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_11]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: He comports himself as this classy guy, but he's just a garbage person ultimately.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely speaking of garbage persons, the Supreme Court made a decision today that absolutely pissed me off and pissed it off a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm calling it plusy for trans kids because that's what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Supreme Court did uphold the Tennessee ban on gender affirming care for minors and it's
[SPEAKER_02]: The case is is for Maddie and it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you look into a Bob?
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen, I mean, all the details on it?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I know what the decision was, and I can tell you that this decision is absolutely discriminatory, because this children can still get gender affirming.
[SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's breast implants or whether it's hormone therapy, hormone blockers, sometimes there's such a thing as percocious puberty where someone goes into puberty or starts to go in a little puberty early, so you want to delay that with hormone blockers, there's other
[SPEAKER_03]: Disorder genetic disorders where people don't go into puberty at all and they need hormone replacement to trigger puberty and so you get you know You get general affirming care for assist children, but not for trans children and there is a legitimate disorder that Trans children suffer rows gender dysphoria right
[SPEAKER_03]: In order to get gender-forming care, you have to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, you have to have the permission of the parents.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the fiction that's been circulated in the MAGA Entertainment Complex for years now, we've been covering a lot on my podcast, is the fact that they've just been saying, or kind of
[SPEAKER_03]: putting out there the propaganda that that children could just walk into a clinic and get gender affirming care without parental permission or without the consultation of a doctor.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's just not happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a colossal lie and Donald Trump stole that lie on at least a couple of occasions that I remember.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this all comes down to Supreme Court sanction discrimination against trans kids, because that's the way the political wins are blowing.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think Sonya Sotomayor essentially said that in her descent.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is just like the Supreme Court going along with whatever is politically popular.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we put we put a piece talks about her just to rip in the rest of them from the bench on that today because she was she she destroyed she was so pissed and rightfully so it's it's it is very very clearly it's plus he versus versus first it is and I'm makes me mad because I'm like
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, of course, it's in law, which makes it worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's in law at the highest level.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's in law that, oh, it's discrimination, but it's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, no, it's not okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not acceptable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now you're going to get this whole series of
[SPEAKER_02]: parents who want to get care for their kids and so they're going to have to try to not get them diagnosed with gender dysphoria but diagnosed with everything else around it so they can get a great the care still but they don't diagnose them with gender dysphoria so then they can't then they're still basically forcing them in a closet right even if they somehow find a way to call its separate but equal and and get get the same care but not call it gender dysphoria
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it is a way of still forcing trans kids to be in the closet, which is absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a really good sign.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean, if, if, if, if you, if you, if you and Kimberly had a trans kid that was in the situation, you guys would do whatever it was possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're learning a trash can trans kid that that there was in the, you would do whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if that means, well,
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to call it something other than gender dysphoria.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we'll call it something other than business and we'll get them the care that they need.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's just how it rolls.
[SPEAKER_06]: When I quit smoking, my doctor, because the medication wasn't covered by my insurance, if it was for quitting smoking.
[SPEAKER_06]: I'm not kidding, but it's well, but you Trin was what I took, which is an anti-depressant.
[SPEAKER_06]: So she just wrote down that I needed it for that.
[SPEAKER_06]: And then my insurance covered it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, and the thing is is that the, the, the manga Red Hat Entertainment Complex, as you call it, Bob, the thing is is that these idiots seem to think that the same idiots who say, well, laws about guns don't stop people from getting guns don't seem to understand that the same types of care that you get, if it's labeled gender dysphoria, which is what it is, you can get some, for other things over here, because we've done this new, plusy law,
[SPEAKER_02]: People are just going to do that.
[SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's like that.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's like outlawing abortion.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's just outlawing legal abortion.
[SPEAKER_06]: It's not outlawing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're outlawing alcohol.
[SPEAKER_06]: Right.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, people are going to get what they need.
[SPEAKER_06]: Whether it's legal or not high, you know, pot was illegal in California for the longest time.
[SPEAKER_06]: It isn't anymore.
[SPEAKER_06]: You know, people were still smoking weed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: People are going to get, and especially when it's their kids, when it's your kids, you will do whatever it takes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, the stupidity from the idiots on the right is so frustrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bob, it is always good to have you here at the politics bar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's great to be here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: We, you come back obviously next week because, you know, we've actually got a chair now that's kind of got your name on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, we get, we get your voicemails here.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm all good.
[SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, we get your calls.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for those of you who have not yet heard the Bob Cesska show, you should.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is in all your favorite podcast players, put it in, listen to Bob Cesska any time, and read him at the banter and Bob, thank you so much, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Jodie.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, Sean.
[SPEAKER_06]: Thank you, sir.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, go to Bob Cesska's Patreon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good page.
[SPEAKER_06]: Yes, yes, please do.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so far.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got John Fu is saying, and we've got
[SPEAKER_02]: Glenn Kirchner.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's coming here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Come back tomorrow and join us at the politics bar.