WEBVTT 00:00.031 --> 00:15.829 [SPEAKER_00]: On Sinatra Swing to Brando Stage Maryland's Grace to JFK's A It's Johnny Russo Hollywood's own The teeny Rayman's secrets are shown 00:25.664 --> 00:26.685 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome, everybody. 00:27.086 --> 00:29.930 [SPEAKER_02]: It's time for another Hollywood Godfather podcast. 00:30.791 --> 00:37.081 [SPEAKER_02]: And this show I have to say is gonna be so memorable for so many reasons. 00:37.842 --> 00:45.092 [SPEAKER_02]: But we want you to know this is our last broadcast for this year, we're leaving you with a real gem. 00:45.673 --> 00:54.726 [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, let me introduce Jeannie Raymond, my co-host, fortunately. 00:55.398 --> 01:13.980 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can't believe my life, fortunately, and most of my friends and followers and fans, and even from our podcast for the last three or four years, realize that I get so me side, like I always say, my life has been full of, 01:14.500 --> 01:18.186 [SPEAKER_02]: Opportunities and obstacles mostly opportunities. 01:18.206 --> 01:26.719 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the opportunity this time is a revelation that that's a clarity of 63 years of doubt. 01:27.880 --> 01:39.478 [SPEAKER_02]: I've had a Malaman row, death. 01:40.540 --> 01:43.444 [SPEAKER_02]: As most of 01:43.930 --> 01:50.859 [SPEAKER_02]: by James Patterson called the last days of my own Monroe. 01:52.261 --> 02:02.834 [SPEAKER_02]: You had about this book now, only read it's me to what I've been saying on the long and elaborate even on that with you when I'm going to get into. 02:02.854 --> 02:08.802 [SPEAKER_02]: So you can imagine for 63 years and most of you know the story. 02:08.882 --> 02:10.083 [SPEAKER_02]: I was at Cal Niva. 02:10.444 --> 02:13.768 [SPEAKER_02]: I was set up there to listen to what was going to go on. 02:14.153 --> 02:16.560 [SPEAKER_02]: to be Frank Estella's eyes in years. 02:17.683 --> 02:23.158 [SPEAKER_02]: He said that, you know, my old friend, Sam Giancana, the other boy's Chicago's there. 02:23.659 --> 02:24.642 [SPEAKER_02]: So not to his there. 02:24.682 --> 02:26.186 [SPEAKER_02]: Violence gonna be there. 02:26.206 --> 02:28.753 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want you to be my eyes in his. 02:29.628 --> 02:31.270 [SPEAKER_02]: When I was there, I listened. 02:31.651 --> 02:32.432 [SPEAKER_02]: I hung out with them. 02:32.673 --> 02:39.703 [SPEAKER_02]: There's photographs in our book to show I was there for all the doubt about friends of mine. 02:39.723 --> 02:41.646 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't call them a sister, right? 02:41.666 --> 02:42.006 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 02:42.427 --> 02:43.328 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, he was there. 02:43.829 --> 02:48.396 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm there, and there's a lot of pictures of me, Marilyn, Frank, at the ball to prove it. 02:49.197 --> 02:52.963 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, I was looking even at Patterson's book. 02:53.283 --> 02:55.146 [SPEAKER_02]: He don't have any of those photographs. 02:55.447 --> 03:05.180 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what is incredible looking, I mean there's a picture of you and Maryland's looking right at you, you know, right by the pool. 03:05.200 --> 03:17.657 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so with that said, you can imagine, I want our audience even if they could imagine, 03:18.717 --> 03:22.102 [SPEAKER_02]: I was 16 and she was 32, so where were we going here? 03:22.382 --> 03:23.964 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not that, that meant that in me. 03:24.024 --> 03:37.924 [SPEAKER_02]: I love all the women, but, and still do, but anyway, but to have this book come out, the same month, same week as mine, 03:38.900 --> 03:46.129 [SPEAKER_02]: It just created such a new interest in my book now, because probably reading it from somebody else. 03:47.050 --> 04:03.591 [SPEAKER_02]: And as we get into our story tonight, the fact that he has such great investigative reporters and has the wherewithal after 63 years to go investigate everybody's dad. 04:04.448 --> 04:09.157 [SPEAKER_02]: So when I were pointing a figure at Bobby Kennedy, nobody wanted to listen to me. 04:09.618 --> 04:09.979 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 04:09.999 --> 04:12.464 [SPEAKER_02]: He was the attorney general in solo live. 04:12.504 --> 04:19.197 [SPEAKER_02]: And now, as we get into the story, it's going to unfold. 04:19.878 --> 04:23.325 [SPEAKER_02]: That everything I alluded to is facts. 04:24.326 --> 04:24.667 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 04:24.888 --> 04:26.170 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolute facts. 04:26.707 --> 04:33.358 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and you know, what's so nice about that is James Patterson, he is a household name. 04:33.439 --> 04:38.748 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's been around for a very long time, he's been a best seller for a very long time. 04:39.128 --> 04:49.967 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the interesting thing for the people who do not know who he is and is not into the literary world, he's done 67 New York Times best selling books. 04:50.769 --> 04:52.191 [SPEAKER_02]: He's broken the record on it. 04:53.065 --> 04:59.299 [SPEAKER_02]: He's written 114 books that saw 450,000 copies. 05:00.140 --> 05:06.855 [SPEAKER_02]: So Madison is a rewarded, well-acclaimed writer. 05:07.190 --> 05:34.648 [SPEAKER_01]: right great reputation and and he is you know people are always looking for his books you know i i've gotten to listen to stuff on audible and i've listened to a few of his unautable i don't sit very often so i love audible for that reason um because then it then i can listen to all those things and i've listened to plenty of his and he is somebody that people are always watching for his new book so i can see that's another thing 05:35.017 --> 05:37.967 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're not quoting some idiot. 05:38.469 --> 05:41.077 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a well-established writer. 05:41.097 --> 05:46.917 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, his book's cell, like I just said, 450 main copies. 05:47.183 --> 05:57.896 [SPEAKER_02]: And now he's basically bonafying what I said all along and again, I really the fact that he don't have photographs. 05:58.136 --> 05:59.077 [SPEAKER_02]: I am photographs. 05:59.177 --> 05:59.818 [SPEAKER_02]: I was there. 05:59.878 --> 06:01.640 [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't there. 06:01.700 --> 06:05.044 [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't even interested in this 63 years ago. 06:06.165 --> 06:15.216 [SPEAKER_02]: So let's get into the story and just to revisit what I witnessed that day. 06:16.462 --> 06:27.901 [SPEAKER_02]: I was supposed to be there to listen to why Marilyn was there, and why Sam J. and Connor wanted her there, and Sonatra got her to come. 06:28.743 --> 06:29.083 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 06:30.005 --> 06:31.728 [SPEAKER_02]: During the day, we're all at the pool. 06:31.788 --> 06:37.397 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where all the pictures are that I have, but he greco her and I and Sonatra. 06:38.299 --> 06:42.486 [SPEAKER_02]: And at the end of the day, Sonatra let her know. 06:42.770 --> 06:44.371 [SPEAKER_02]: what they needed her to do. 06:44.792 --> 06:46.694 [SPEAKER_02]: And Malina was so close to the mob. 06:46.774 --> 06:48.615 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because she fell, everybody loved her. 06:49.256 --> 06:59.565 [SPEAKER_02]: Frank, she fell, how's the year for a year in the world of while she was studying at least strawsburg because she wanted to become known as a legitimate actress. 07:00.566 --> 07:00.746 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 07:00.766 --> 07:05.450 [SPEAKER_02]: Just, you know, a sex symbol in movies. 07:05.831 --> 07:08.553 [SPEAKER_02]: She wanted to be a legitimate actress. 07:08.573 --> 07:12.777 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, when he was the one, 07:13.381 --> 07:18.649 [SPEAKER_02]: He perused heart contract that she had with 20th Century Fox. 07:19.591 --> 07:20.412 [SPEAKER_02]: This is amazing. 07:21.354 --> 07:22.756 [SPEAKER_01]: Frank did. 07:22.776 --> 07:27.083 [SPEAKER_02]: Because he started, he wanted to see if there's an out. 07:27.484 --> 07:28.686 [SPEAKER_02]: They found an out. 07:29.767 --> 07:32.672 [SPEAKER_02]: The out was, she had a weight clause. 07:34.094 --> 07:39.523 [SPEAKER_02]: She had to stay a certain weight or the contractional and void. 07:40.820 --> 07:51.959 [SPEAKER_02]: So I, even myself, unbeknownst to what was going on, I thought you was putting on these pounds to get out of the contract, because Kostalot told him. 07:52.860 --> 07:53.181 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 07:53.461 --> 07:56.606 [SPEAKER_02]: Unbeknownst to me, I didn't know she was pregnant. 07:56.626 --> 07:57.027 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 07:57.969 --> 08:06.523 [SPEAKER_02]: And I assume it's my kid, because the only person that was seeing her at that time was me. 08:06.959 --> 08:10.123 [SPEAKER_02]: She tore the hours on Joe de Maggio and the phone. 08:10.143 --> 08:13.687 [SPEAKER_02]: He was in the living in San Francisco, not a the world of Australia. 08:13.727 --> 08:23.258 [SPEAKER_02]: I know that, but with that said, that leads to even what Patterson is saying. 08:25.381 --> 08:35.953 [SPEAKER_02]: And when I was there and they told her what they wanted her to do, that we wanted you to bed, they thought both brothers were coming. 08:36.811 --> 08:38.073 [SPEAKER_02]: Jack was coming. 08:38.373 --> 08:39.475 [SPEAKER_02]: Jack didn't come. 08:40.617 --> 09:05.434 [SPEAKER_02]: Bobby came and they had Maulin's cabin up in Cal Niva, set up with cameras because Chicago, Sam Giancana, Antonio Cordo, were the ones who set up 09:06.224 --> 09:09.948 [SPEAKER_02]: They staged that party and had all the pictures on. 09:09.988 --> 09:16.156 [SPEAKER_02]: That's why for years and years and years until Bobby Kennedy became the attorney general. 09:16.576 --> 09:23.064 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is the fact, up until that time, he always denounced that there was a mafia. 09:23.945 --> 09:32.896 [SPEAKER_02]: He knew they was, but they said, you keep talking about the mafia, we're gonna show the world these pictures of him being a cross-dresser. 09:33.597 --> 09:35.539 [SPEAKER_02]: Did those ever come out? 09:36.127 --> 09:37.729 [SPEAKER_02]: And now they're all dead nobody cares. 09:38.650 --> 09:40.913 [SPEAKER_02]: He came while he was in the office. 09:40.933 --> 09:42.535 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'll already did. 09:42.555 --> 09:42.655 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 09:42.675 --> 09:43.816 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 09:43.836 --> 09:44.517 [SPEAKER_01]: That was it. 09:44.537 --> 09:45.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 09:45.658 --> 09:47.481 [SPEAKER_02]: It's similar to what we're doing today. 09:47.541 --> 09:54.889 [SPEAKER_02]: We're bringing new light onto what I theorized 63 years happened. 09:55.030 --> 09:56.491 [SPEAKER_02]: I really didn't know what happened. 09:57.653 --> 09:58.053 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 09:58.454 --> 10:01.397 [SPEAKER_02]: When I heard what he wrote, I got the book immediately. 10:02.539 --> 10:03.720 [SPEAKER_02]: I shared it with you. 10:05.236 --> 10:12.507 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a revelation to me because, yeah, I thought this happened, I thought that, but now they memorialize it. 10:13.108 --> 10:13.508 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 10:14.209 --> 10:21.861 [SPEAKER_02]: And the only reason I'm sure James Patterson got his hands on all of this, of course, nobody, everybody knew it couldn't bring damage anymore. 10:22.141 --> 10:23.183 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no bread. 10:24.024 --> 10:26.748 [SPEAKER_02]: Bobby's dad, John is dead, they're all dead. 10:27.469 --> 10:28.451 [SPEAKER_02]: Joe Cannon, even. 10:29.051 --> 10:30.754 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't even know his son's died. 10:31.460 --> 10:33.864 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he had a mass stroke and became a vegetable. 10:34.244 --> 10:34.725 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 10:34.745 --> 10:35.647 [SPEAKER_02]: He's in a wheelchair. 10:36.067 --> 10:42.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his kids, I remember, that they had warned him that that was going to happen. 10:43.239 --> 10:44.841 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 10:45.542 --> 10:48.407 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I knew they sent them a message. 10:48.467 --> 10:52.012 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, I was amazed. 10:53.254 --> 10:56.860 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, in my life, look at this opportunity that just came to us. 10:57.599 --> 11:02.626 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're gonna elaborate on it, as I said, it's our last show for this year. 11:03.267 --> 11:06.031 [SPEAKER_02]: We wish you all have a great holiday season. 11:07.954 --> 11:18.189 [SPEAKER_02]: And we'll be back in fact our first show, I'm gonna be doing it from Dublin, with Jeannie on screen on Zoom, and we're doing it from Dublin. 11:18.630 --> 11:26.762 [SPEAKER_02]: And any of my fans in Dublin, I'm gonna be at the mark performing at the lock January 2nd. 11:27.265 --> 11:34.231 [SPEAKER_02]: And so to get into the story, you can only imagine when I started turning these pages. 11:35.252 --> 11:38.835 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm flying through this book, it's free on in some pages. 11:39.436 --> 11:39.576 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 11:39.816 --> 11:41.598 [SPEAKER_02]: Trying to get to what I knew was right. 11:42.439 --> 11:49.165 [SPEAKER_02]: What was the last five chapters that was what the highlights I needed to hear. 11:50.125 --> 11:50.506 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 11:50.526 --> 11:55.230 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's when we got into, and to me it was like, I couldn't believe it. 11:55.801 --> 11:56.202 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 11:56.262 --> 12:09.318 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything I said, that what I left there, I found out she left, went back to California, and that's when this whole story starts opening up again. 12:10.260 --> 12:10.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 12:10.941 --> 12:17.209 [SPEAKER_01]: So you went to, was July 28th the first day everybody came to Cal Niva? 12:17.509 --> 12:19.412 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, I think it's Saturday. 12:19.532 --> 12:21.414 [SPEAKER_02]: My memory says we're right or Friday. 12:22.135 --> 12:24.458 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 12:25.518 --> 12:28.161 [SPEAKER_02]: I flew back and told Custella what went on. 12:29.182 --> 12:31.644 [SPEAKER_02]: I said she started screaming, she never went for it. 12:32.085 --> 12:33.346 [SPEAKER_02]: They never got the footage. 12:34.367 --> 12:37.851 [SPEAKER_02]: And she said she's going to the press. 12:37.871 --> 12:37.991 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 12:38.191 --> 12:38.792 [SPEAKER_02]: He said, what? 12:39.712 --> 12:41.514 [SPEAKER_02]: I said, yeah, he said they're going to kill her. 12:42.035 --> 12:43.376 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not me, he said they're going to kill her. 12:43.937 --> 12:44.918 [SPEAKER_02]: I said, could they kill her? 12:45.859 --> 12:50.043 [SPEAKER_02]: She said, the biggest movie out, you know, some like it hot. 12:50.824 --> 12:54.968 [SPEAKER_02]: She was about to do a movie next movie with Frank Sinatra. 12:56.163 --> 12:57.425 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said they're going to kill her. 12:58.246 --> 12:59.608 [SPEAKER_02]: I say, they can't kill her. 12:59.628 --> 13:00.549 [SPEAKER_02]: She's a movie star. 13:01.290 --> 13:03.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that Thursday, she was dead. 13:03.934 --> 13:16.412 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a combination of, you know, one says the coroner said that she died August 5th, one said she died August 4th, but by time they, because again, now we know Bobby Kennedy was at the house. 13:17.053 --> 13:17.473 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 13:17.954 --> 13:19.977 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said he wasn't even in LA. 13:20.378 --> 13:23.101 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how naïve, eat what the world was. 13:23.581 --> 13:29.668 [SPEAKER_02]: How can an attorney general of the United States travel to a state and they don't know you're there? 13:29.708 --> 13:30.889 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 13:31.109 --> 13:32.491 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody knew you were there. 13:32.951 --> 13:38.177 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and there were so many people there, Frank Sinatra invited people, Buddy Greco. 13:38.297 --> 13:39.118 [SPEAKER_01]: You were there. 13:40.639 --> 13:42.201 [SPEAKER_01]: Samcy and Connor, right? 13:42.581 --> 13:43.222 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everyone. 13:43.783 --> 13:45.425 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was okay. 13:46.245 --> 13:47.567 [SPEAKER_02]: That was up in Caleniva. 13:48.288 --> 13:48.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 13:49.201 --> 13:50.783 [SPEAKER_02]: now they're in Maryland's house. 13:51.263 --> 13:52.104 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, okay. 13:52.184 --> 13:58.751 [SPEAKER_01]: So that yeah, when they're back, it's funny that he thought all these years, everyone would keep those secrets. 13:58.771 --> 14:01.594 [SPEAKER_01]: And there were so many people around. 14:02.836 --> 14:19.073 [SPEAKER_02]: What happened was, which I found out in James Madison's book, when he left Kalneva, he supposedly used to be going to San Francisco to address a 14:21.128 --> 14:21.949 [SPEAKER_02]: You're kidding. 14:21.969 --> 14:50.106 [SPEAKER_02]: So no, so Pat was there and that's a more interesting because they're all includes because unbeknownst to me now that I found on James Patterson's book, Pat Waffed, who was John of Kennedy's sister, Old Mowland and said, stop bothering my brothers to drive in as crazy. 14:50.542 --> 14:57.676 [SPEAKER_01]: with all the people who knew that it took this long for all of it to come out. 14:57.997 --> 15:00.522 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is one of the biggest hush hushes. 15:00.582 --> 15:05.773 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, of course, there were mumbling of it, but it's so great. 15:05.893 --> 15:12.246 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've got you to tell us what went on and James Patterson is laying it all out on the stuff that you didn't see. 15:12.648 --> 15:23.223 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, see the interesting thing, as I said earlier, if it wasn't 63 years later, I don't know they would have gave James Patterson all this research, but you really, though. 15:24.084 --> 15:26.748 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but when you're heard now, everybody's done. 15:27.749 --> 15:41.929 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like when we're trying to get Dorothy Kilgallon street and it renamed, which I'm still trying to do now with Mowlin and Dorothy Kilgallon's that certificate. 15:42.550 --> 15:43.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 15:43.171 --> 15:50.919 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to be from change from suicide to homicide dating kill dating kill themselves. 15:51.340 --> 15:51.620 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 15:51.961 --> 15:52.922 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're going to prove that. 15:54.003 --> 15:55.004 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 15:55.024 --> 15:57.226 [SPEAKER_02]: And my target date now, people don't know this. 15:57.987 --> 16:04.354 [SPEAKER_02]: This date is so insane when you think of June 1, 2026. 16:05.816 --> 16:11.983 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what that marks? 16:12.520 --> 16:13.381 [SPEAKER_02]: if she was. 16:13.401 --> 16:14.983 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow. 16:15.283 --> 16:16.385 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm swearing. 16:16.445 --> 16:21.030 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get this done and get her death certificate change. 16:21.851 --> 16:26.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and you know, this book from Patterson, Holy cow, that's got it. 16:26.397 --> 16:37.971 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, all of the stuff that he has brought around, like you said, legitimizes everything you've said, all of these years and and to be able to to do all of that. 16:38.339 --> 17:05.241 [SPEAKER_01]: you know they they blame it on she had a hard life she was sad i mean she did she did have those things but she had a career her career she was getting into movies that she wanted to do she wasn't trying to kill herself and not only that she was going back with my mother my daughter magic i knew that she told me about it they've had conversations they're going to get back together because he was always jealous of her he wanted to calm down 17:05.508 --> 17:10.877 [SPEAKER_02]: And now she was becoming a legitimate actress, gonna do straight-pots, not sex symbols. 17:11.678 --> 17:15.885 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he was very jealous of her, and that's what destroyed their marriage. 17:16.486 --> 17:17.728 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're all agreed to that. 17:18.169 --> 17:19.671 [SPEAKER_02]: She was never happy. 17:19.691 --> 17:24.339 [SPEAKER_02]: And then that's why I knew she didn't commit suicide. 17:24.980 --> 17:25.321 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 17:25.541 --> 17:27.845 [SPEAKER_02]: They killed her, and now it's been proven. 17:29.127 --> 17:30.469 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's take a break here. 17:31.006 --> 17:45.042 [SPEAKER_02]: And well, obviously, what our biggest advertising is now, by this book for the holidays, go on Amazon, it's on sale right now, Mafia Secrets by me, and now there's another reason to read it. 17:45.482 --> 17:47.104 [SPEAKER_02]: Get James Patisons book too. 17:47.685 --> 17:51.089 [SPEAKER_02]: The last days of my own Monroe, they're like book ends right now. 17:51.109 --> 18:00.439 [SPEAKER_02]: And for anybody upstate of the last two weeks of January, 18:01.381 --> 18:05.230 [SPEAKER_02]: performing in nightclubs up there when I come back from Dublin. 18:06.272 --> 18:12.967 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I'm around doing concerts, selling books, I'll be in book stores, even. 18:13.007 --> 18:20.284 [SPEAKER_02]: So find out where I am, come in and sign books and get some Christmas presents if you want. 18:21.057 --> 18:33.075 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, the nice thing is you have got this is on sale selling very well on Amazon still available there and the article version should be coming up. 18:33.443 --> 18:35.305 [SPEAKER_01]: in the next couple of weeks. 18:35.745 --> 18:52.522 [SPEAKER_01]: So not only can they read the book in and hold it, they can also listen to it on audible, which like I've always said, I've had your books on the the heart copy and I love listening on audible because it's so great to hear it told from your voice. 18:52.702 --> 18:54.064 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's coming all right up. 18:54.084 --> 18:54.764 [SPEAKER_02]: And I read it. 18:55.005 --> 18:56.406 [SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't as my voice. 18:56.546 --> 18:57.647 [SPEAKER_01]: I read it. 18:57.667 --> 19:00.150 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 19:00.190 --> 19:02.472 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:03.008 --> 19:04.210 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I can't wait. 19:04.330 --> 19:06.253 [SPEAKER_01]: So, all right. 19:06.313 --> 19:18.710 [SPEAKER_01]: So, let's see, she had, you know, thrown a bit in Calmeba, right, and said she was going to do all of this, and then she left, and they got her home. 19:19.792 --> 19:23.557 [SPEAKER_01]: And Patterson tells us, who got her home? 19:23.917 --> 19:28.003 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Peter Waffett, they flew home on Saracis plane. 19:28.878 --> 19:36.650 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the pilot, who's a petal of its pilot, took our home and they went home. 19:37.791 --> 19:39.654 [SPEAKER_02]: But then she started calling everybody. 19:40.996 --> 19:44.782 [SPEAKER_02]: So she was, I mean, she always took pills. 19:44.842 --> 19:45.423 [SPEAKER_02]: We knew that. 19:45.804 --> 19:47.206 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody didn't know that about her. 19:47.686 --> 19:51.192 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you didn't know autopsy, you're going to find barbitrists. 19:51.212 --> 19:56.640 [SPEAKER_02]: But the ones that she always took. 19:58.493 --> 20:12.509 [SPEAKER_02]: cornice basically that did autopsy's on her and they found they said no barbituritsin which is impossible right and they assumed that she committed suicide which she didn't do. 20:14.251 --> 20:25.564 [SPEAKER_02]: In Patterson's book in James Patterson's book the housekeeper said there was an argument in the 20:26.911 --> 20:34.841 [SPEAKER_02]: Bobby Kennedy went in there and muffled up with a pillow. 20:35.381 --> 20:35.782 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 20:37.344 --> 20:40.007 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he suffocated, she was dead. 20:40.047 --> 20:43.191 [SPEAKER_02]: Then that staged it. 20:44.452 --> 20:46.415 [SPEAKER_02]: And doctors came, everybody came. 20:46.855 --> 20:55.045 [SPEAKER_02]: They were in the house for three hours before they even reported a dead. 20:55.565 --> 20:56.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 20:56.186 --> 20:56.746 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have it. 20:56.886 --> 21:05.416 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not done with this, but so that I'm surprised that the her housekeeper wasn't dead right at home with her. 21:06.057 --> 21:07.859 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, my housekeeper was interviewed. 21:08.520 --> 21:08.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:09.280 --> 21:14.446 [SPEAKER_02]: And she wouldn't even give you the name, but she wouldn't even give the names of the people that were in the house. 21:15.387 --> 21:17.910 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't tell you that I have a family. 21:18.571 --> 21:24.998 [SPEAKER_02]: They've already warned 21:25.433 --> 21:29.819 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine sitting there after you know what just has gone on? 21:29.879 --> 21:31.661 [SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't even dare speak. 21:32.342 --> 21:32.482 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 21:32.863 --> 21:33.484 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 21:33.504 --> 21:43.257 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so terrifying to think of what for her how absolutely terrifying to think I'm not saying a word. 21:43.297 --> 21:45.179 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised they didn't kill her anyway. 21:45.740 --> 21:46.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, frankly. 21:46.982 --> 21:49.325 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but bottom line, I thought that also. 21:49.825 --> 21:54.732 [SPEAKER_02]: But if they did kill her, 21:55.133 --> 21:59.959 [SPEAKER_02]: So they needed it to be a suicide. 22:00.500 --> 22:01.741 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no killing here. 22:02.162 --> 22:02.963 [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense. 22:03.323 --> 22:09.150 [SPEAKER_02]: And if they killed her, then they opened another whole can of worms in, which they didn't do. 22:09.451 --> 22:10.692 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how smart they were. 22:11.573 --> 22:16.399 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they were sitting there for four or five hours, figuring it out. 22:16.548 --> 22:22.775 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure can you imagine they're like holy shit I just killed Marilyn Monroe how we're gonna keep our butts out of trouble. 22:22.855 --> 22:43.517 [SPEAKER_02]: But as you as the as the New York Times reported, they found Marilyn hold a white phone in a bed and you pointed out because you read also that she called the operator or somebody. 22:44.037 --> 22:44.558 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 22:44.978 --> 23:03.918 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, just in the past, she had called that, but they said there was a phone in her hand, oh, I'm going to find that the thing, because it would it broke my heart when I when I read this part, it said, Ellie time to report, one hand was grasping the white telephone. 23:04.539 --> 23:06.461 [SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps she was calling for help. 23:07.502 --> 23:09.724 [SPEAKER_01]: She's been calling for help all of her life. 23:10.160 --> 23:10.500 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 23:10.521 --> 23:12.203 [SPEAKER_02]: That was Hartford. 23:12.223 --> 23:12.503 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, sad. 23:12.684 --> 23:13.905 [SPEAKER_02]: That no line in itself. 23:14.226 --> 23:20.255 [SPEAKER_02]: And she has been, but there is someplace else in Patterson's book where she called the front desk. 23:21.517 --> 23:21.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 23:22.137 --> 23:24.661 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was at a hotel. 23:24.721 --> 23:28.347 [SPEAKER_01]: They said she was, she didn't like to be alone. 23:28.847 --> 23:31.211 [SPEAKER_02]: And so there's night before she left Caldiva. 23:32.132 --> 23:35.497 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she got a lot because she was crying in bed. 23:35.958 --> 23:37.380 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody was mad at her. 23:37.740 --> 23:39.643 [SPEAKER_02]: She 23:40.062 --> 23:43.806 [SPEAKER_02]: And she called the front desk and said, would you just stay on the phone? 23:43.826 --> 23:44.586 [SPEAKER_01]: Stay on the line. 23:45.007 --> 23:45.287 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 23:45.447 --> 23:48.550 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, how great are sat there and could hear her just breathing? 23:48.590 --> 23:53.675 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought, my dear Lord, how terrified she must have been? 23:53.695 --> 24:00.742 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, at that point, if she was just heartbroken or terrified, at that point, it sounds like she might have just been kind of pissed. 24:00.822 --> 24:07.909 [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, no one else because, you know, I knew a well enough, you know, she'd go on these benches. 24:08.767 --> 24:11.851 [SPEAKER_02]: that she always took pills and always drank. 24:12.812 --> 24:19.741 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, the one line in Paterson's book, when Buddy Greco saw her, she was so pale. 24:20.822 --> 24:22.244 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, you need a tan. 24:22.865 --> 24:24.627 [SPEAKER_02]: She's now you need a tan in a man. 24:24.667 --> 24:26.349 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 24:27.370 --> 24:31.315 [SPEAKER_02]: When she's always said that, that's who she was, you know, she was hilarious. 24:31.615 --> 24:36.221 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they did the fun memories of her, you know, like, yeah. 24:36.681 --> 24:36.982 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:37.402 --> 24:51.961 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, um, they said the night that she tried to go to bed one night and that, um, the phone kept ringing and ringing and ringing and it was with a pat, calling and saying leave Bobby alone, you tramp. 24:52.482 --> 25:00.492 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it, oh my goodness, you know, yeah. 25:00.893 --> 25:02.751 [SPEAKER_02]: was John and Bobby's sister. 25:03.235 --> 25:04.305 [SPEAKER_02]: She was a Kennedy. 25:04.842 --> 25:07.285 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how Peter Lawford had the connection with the Kennedy's. 25:07.606 --> 25:14.114 [SPEAKER_02]: He married the sister and she called and told Marilyn, stop bothering my brothers. 25:15.075 --> 25:17.458 [SPEAKER_02]: See, or she wanted was Jack. 25:17.478 --> 25:18.840 [SPEAKER_02]: She never wanted Bobby. 25:19.481 --> 25:21.844 [SPEAKER_02]: Jack said, be with Bobby for two years. 25:22.725 --> 25:24.688 [SPEAKER_02]: Unbeknownst to Jack, I'm sure. 25:25.088 --> 25:27.311 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't think he's well, there was going to be an impregnator. 25:27.411 --> 25:29.074 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, right. 25:29.094 --> 25:31.677 [SPEAKER_01]: And you guys found out, was it at Caleneba? 25:31.657 --> 25:40.288 [SPEAKER_02]: You said you would just found out that she had a good portion, six weeks before, that's why she was going to go to the press. 25:41.029 --> 25:41.189 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 25:41.209 --> 25:42.190 [SPEAKER_02]: What would you do? 25:42.971 --> 25:43.572 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 25:43.692 --> 25:56.128 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, you start thinking about it, and all I could say basically, I mean, if you get these, I'm not trying to sell books, but you get these two books. 25:57.796 --> 26:23.078 [SPEAKER_02]: My book is my book, and what I say in it, I said 63 years ago, when I left there, confused what Costello said to me that they're going to kill her, all of a sudden she was dead, they said it was suicide, but now to get a book that's written 63 years later, with all the 26:23.783 --> 26:35.077 [SPEAKER_02]: autopsy doctors, two different coroners, stating that all the barbedges in a system are the same when she had, always in a system. 26:35.097 --> 26:35.999 [SPEAKER_02]: They killed her. 26:36.399 --> 26:45.010 [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, I'm saying I think that's how we should end this so actually, because we have so much here, they really have to read it. 26:45.430 --> 26:46.652 [SPEAKER_02]: We can't tell it to them. 26:47.257 --> 27:04.523 [SPEAKER_01]: right well and it and it is in your new book mafia secrets you've got so much to say and you've said it before I mean this is the thing this isn't this is new from James Patterson it's not new info from Gianni Russo you know what I mean that is 27:04.503 --> 27:10.449 [SPEAKER_01]: you guys are talking the same language and and setting it out there puts it in the right straight. 27:10.709 --> 27:14.833 [SPEAKER_02]: But even in my book I'm reflecting on it 63 years ago. 27:15.234 --> 27:20.859 [SPEAKER_02]: I never pulled out because I had to go report to Costello that Monday and I left. 27:20.879 --> 27:22.721 [SPEAKER_02]: I loved the shoes up there in the live yet. 27:23.982 --> 27:34.493 [SPEAKER_01]: So at that point, when did she called Joe Demagio? 27:35.317 --> 27:42.204 [SPEAKER_02]: and Joe de Maggio made the mistake to call Sanatra, is what's going on up to these minor role businesses that stay away. 27:43.105 --> 27:44.506 [SPEAKER_02]: That's interesting, you should say that. 27:44.787 --> 27:51.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I often wonder, what if Joe de Maggio came in rescuera, they got married and lived happily and they after? 27:51.674 --> 27:52.134 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 27:52.755 --> 27:53.055 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:53.315 --> 27:57.860 [SPEAKER_02]: Now that you've met actress, it would have been a whole different lifestyle, you know? 27:57.880 --> 27:58.140 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 27:58.941 --> 28:01.003 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and, uh, 28:01.422 --> 28:08.541 [SPEAKER_01]: Frank, I just think, he probably, I mean, it like you said, um, Castello said they're going to kill her. 28:08.882 --> 28:17.305 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll wonder if Frank thought he was going to smooth that over or call her down or shut her up or do you think Frank thought, oh, shit, they're going to kill her too. 28:17.943 --> 28:19.725 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Sinatra, there's two friends. 28:19.745 --> 28:21.687 [SPEAKER_01]: Sinatra, yeah, I just wonder, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. 28:22.088 --> 28:26.592 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, Sinatra had any inkling at the time, you know? 28:26.612 --> 28:32.178 [SPEAKER_02]: No, the problem there, because I left there, Sam Giancana was there all the time. 28:32.639 --> 28:32.899 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 28:33.500 --> 28:35.022 [SPEAKER_02]: Sam Giancana was on the mission. 28:36.063 --> 28:40.327 [SPEAKER_02]: There's no way if she didn't do this, she's leaving there. 28:41.088 --> 28:44.732 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because there are both sides needed her to be quiet. 28:45.133 --> 28:45.553 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 28:46.343 --> 28:53.313 [SPEAKER_02]: because they saw that control, they were still hoping that they would invade Cuba and give them the casinos back. 28:53.813 --> 28:54.314 [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. 28:54.334 --> 28:57.258 [SPEAKER_02]: This was all a boy that never happened. 28:59.201 --> 29:01.584 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so this all happened, you left. 29:02.205 --> 29:12.739 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, it's interesting because when I left, again, I'm just finding out now, 63 years later, really what went on. 29:13.158 --> 29:13.578 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 29:13.799 --> 29:16.921 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that, you know, they flew a home. 29:17.622 --> 29:18.543 [SPEAKER_02]: I thought they killed her. 29:18.623 --> 29:19.584 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know any of this. 29:20.144 --> 29:20.705 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 29:20.725 --> 29:32.555 [SPEAKER_02]: Addison's book walks me through something that's been an unknown to me forever, because as you pointed out, we pointed out earlier, Kustello said, they're going to kill her. 29:33.276 --> 29:35.398 [SPEAKER_02]: And I thought my aunt, they're going to kill this lady. 29:35.418 --> 29:36.439 [SPEAKER_02]: She's a big movie star. 29:37.239 --> 29:37.520 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 29:37.540 --> 29:41.443 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he told me that Monday morning at the World of the 29:41.913 --> 29:45.217 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if it was August 4th or 5th. 29:45.678 --> 29:55.491 [SPEAKER_02]: It's still an up in the air yet, because supposedly one coroner saw her on the fort, Naguji saw her on the 5th. 29:55.511 --> 30:00.017 [SPEAKER_02]: The death certificate says she died of suicide August 5th. 30:01.539 --> 30:02.500 [SPEAKER_02]: Do we know that yet? 30:02.620 --> 30:03.441 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd still don't know. 30:04.263 --> 30:10.671 [SPEAKER_02]: But the interesting thing is, again, I found this out just now. 30:10.955 --> 30:12.116 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 30:12.136 --> 30:17.403 [SPEAKER_01]: So, um, who found her or who did I say found her? 30:17.944 --> 30:19.005 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying. 30:19.666 --> 30:22.169 [SPEAKER_02]: They're saying that she was found in the bed. 30:22.910 --> 30:23.791 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 30:23.811 --> 30:39.510 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, what James Patterson is saying, who's at the house at this time is Peter Lawford, Bobby Kennedy, the housekeeper, and her doctor kept coming in and out. 30:41.785 --> 30:43.947 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what that's about. 30:44.868 --> 30:50.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Now this is all hearsay by different articles like the New York Times who wrote about it. 30:51.376 --> 30:53.778 [SPEAKER_02]: Even Dorothy killed Galen wrote about it. 30:54.860 --> 31:01.046 [SPEAKER_02]: Which was pretty weird because she died three years later, right, the same assassin. 31:02.969 --> 31:05.611 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, I just dedicated a street to her. 31:06.392 --> 31:07.233 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 31:07.253 --> 31:07.894 [SPEAKER_02]: They're weird. 31:08.870 --> 31:14.977 [SPEAKER_02]: We just changed 68th Street and bought the avenue to dart the kill gallon away. 31:16.639 --> 31:32.937 [SPEAKER_02]: And as I said, one of my things I really want to get done, especially for mountains hundred birthday, is I want to get that sick of death certificate changed from suicide to homicide. 31:33.617 --> 31:34.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 31:34.756 --> 31:41.764 [SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, just like with Dorothy, there's nobody to indict, but it's sure can clear the records. 31:41.864 --> 31:52.837 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, both of them had some issues and drank, but neither one of them had sounded like we're anywhere in not talking about suicide at all. 31:53.198 --> 32:04.611 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, well, you're, well, you're bringing up some stuff from the, from Frank Marono, the councilman, and then who would try to bring up the fact that we were trying 32:05.097 --> 32:09.962 [SPEAKER_02]: Brad, the district attorney, he said, why are we going to open the case? 32:09.982 --> 32:11.123 [SPEAKER_02]: There's an opportunity to indict. 32:11.824 --> 32:23.676 [SPEAKER_02]: But to do this now with the material that we just read in James Patterson's book, they have enough to have doubt. 32:24.597 --> 32:24.897 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 32:25.117 --> 32:34.547 [SPEAKER_02]: To change the 32:34.983 --> 32:38.570 [SPEAKER_02]: and not have their legacy go down that they both committed suicide. 32:39.172 --> 32:39.532 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 32:40.053 --> 32:41.276 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're both icons. 32:41.557 --> 32:42.539 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean there? 32:42.699 --> 32:43.260 [SPEAKER_01]: My God. 32:44.022 --> 32:50.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, if I get done what I want to do with Marilyn, she's going to have, you know, there'll be a place in Burbank. 32:50.595 --> 32:51.557 [SPEAKER_02]: You can go visit. 32:51.925 --> 32:53.727 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember. 32:53.747 --> 32:55.009 [SPEAKER_02]: Our house has been saved. 32:55.269 --> 32:56.290 [SPEAKER_02]: They can't turn down. 32:57.191 --> 33:04.460 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have to get that house moved within the next year to a location that a whole bird bank studio gives me. 33:04.540 --> 33:05.621 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to buy anything. 33:06.262 --> 33:09.746 [SPEAKER_02]: But let them run the tour, you know, and memory of her. 33:10.747 --> 33:19.097 [SPEAKER_02]: So things and you know, I mentioned earlier, June 1st, 2026 would have been a hundred birthday. 33:19.752 --> 33:22.035 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a great way to have this clear it up. 33:22.635 --> 33:24.017 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that would be so great. 33:25.058 --> 33:30.644 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we should end this show on a happy note because I have the little thing I want to do. 33:30.684 --> 33:37.312 [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to wish all our friends and fans for the end of our show for 2025. 33:37.632 --> 33:42.638 [SPEAKER_02]: A happy holiday, Merry Christmas, and 33:42.854 --> 33:45.160 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see you in 2026. 33:46.143 --> 33:46.865 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 33:46.925 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