[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Housewives of True Crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Tabitha, your True Crime Housewife, and I'm bringing you real crimes, real twists, and searching for real justice every week.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a brand new disco biscuit riding shotgun, sometimes a fan, sometimes a friend, but someone always fabulous.
[SPEAKER_00]: So grab whatever you're drinking these days, press play, and let's talk crime in the Carpool line.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Welcome Housewives of True Crime, yes Monday, it's Monday, it's Monday, it's really not a Monday, I don't feel like a Monday, it kind of feels like that, I think because we're in the grind, yes, so much going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Were you, I know you're in the text thread, but I don't know if you saw it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They decided the Bucco text thread.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They decided they meaning the school to do 12 days of dressed up spirit days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Told that, well, cool, the heck came up with that idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's ideal is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Inversity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody this doesn't have kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll hold the wall of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to be so careful when people are voluntary.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never want to put them down, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get your butt to the PTO meeting and speak up and be a part of it and putting your volunteer hours or shot up and sit down at no this time this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but that is how I want to know who I need to speak with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to know what my life is about to be light for the next 12 days.
[SPEAKER_00]: 12. Who has 12 freaking press update?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'm fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not even like the read to be totally honest with you, and you go me and it all laid out a hand time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, basically, yeah, but I've never been up against 12 freaking dress of things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your daughter, so she's talking about this for her daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the son would care about you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would never versus.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter if like Brady has been, he doesn't want to miss it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so my son is like that, that's in the same great as Jenny's daughter, or is like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't pee.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was one day this week that they could wear flammals, and he was like, forget it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It must be nice, but your daughter is going to want to participate now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also we know, like, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a serial donate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't just have all the shit laying around the house.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she wins, don't eat her like she is not a border.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she never been for like everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get rid of it, get rid of it, get rid of it, get rid of it, pick it up while my husband's at work, he'll net her know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're good to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: What was your story?
[SPEAKER_00]: he brought a theater to drive a computer.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I do buy anyone every year, but so that he was, I actually was ready to give it up, but Carly was like, no, like, we are going.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is our tradition.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you say now to that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, bye.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I get up crazy early and then now I'm pumped.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, yeah, this is our tradition and we're going for it, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: We meet up with a friend and granddaughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do our target run.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're in target and we are high debt and we've got our star bus and we're checking out.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got two full cards of things and we've taken two cards out of hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's condense down to one car and go to the next place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she goes, okay, you take the girls in the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's you've got the big car load everything in your car and I'll drive over and meet you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
[SPEAKER_00]: We start loading my car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Carly's breathing.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's standing at the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like breathing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there at the trunk unloading with my friend's daughter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, I hear a horn like belaring.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I hear a mention.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm like, what I look over one of our cards is going up for us the damn parking lot directly to this like brain
[SPEAKER_00]: the owner of this nice truck.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, he is white.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And no mind you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got out that like 5.30 in the morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically in pajamas.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like wearing freaking slippers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're technically hugs that they're more like slippers and they're
[SPEAKER_00]: losing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I go running after this cart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody is dying laughing, watching me, and thinking will never make it in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, help for.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But every time I like go and I'm about to get my hand on that bar or, you know, that handle or what it's for, as you can see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm trying to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, Oh, I was there and did it takes up momentum and keeps going right and it feels like this is taking an hour.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but this probably all happened in like 20 seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I am just boldly and it is about to hit this freaking car and I'm like, I don't want this insurance claim like.
[SPEAKER_00]: I somehow got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but you have the car still.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it missed it by like a freaking hair, but I go flying with the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I eat it, I am down on ground, the car flips over, stuff goes by, oh, I want it, my jaw, I don't like it on the middle, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm
[SPEAKER_00]: Like everybody else gets out of the like everyone's out of the car is and all that I'm standing there like in silence.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then everyone's like She okay, so this guy gets out of his car and he helps me if he's like man, oh, like are you okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like I think so I think so I'm not sure and he goes Okay, and then I said no actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, thank God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that was a funny shit I've ever seen in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so many of them up about a video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot believe that that just happened and, you know, whatever, you guys, I would have been okay, but thank you and I'm thinking, no, you would not have that was going to damage your damn core.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what's that guy that bought out of the car?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so then I came home and I'm telling Casey and we're laughing like so hard, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I feel bad that you had been missed that amazing moment because you could have laughed so hard at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then I also told him, I said, you know, aren't only saving us money, there I go saving us more money, just save us a freaking $500 without the bull from not hitting that trust.
[SPEAKER_00]: way to spin it like we were supposed to see the way has been your crazy habit of shopping on black Friday month as you sing because I say does money that day good yeah good job anyways that's my start and I'm still injured I still have my thanks oh my gosh a little bit of road rash yeah that is so funny yeah that beats my story for sure
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was laying on the ground for a good 15 seconds, like a large.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is so funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to tell you what not.
[SPEAKER_00]: So funny stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you for always have to turn it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's a part of the actual, I think it's part of the job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I don't know if you knew you were getting yourself into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, we got to go into the sad stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, we have to go into the dark stuff, maybe the last of mine after this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't have one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So today, I have a case that's really perplexing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll see why at the end, which is kind of funny because I told you that last time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this case is really perplexing and it happened back in the 90s, back in November of 1996.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think our last case was California, too, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: This one is also in California.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it starts in Houston, Texas, which is kind of funny because It's not where we are, but we are in Texas, not in Houston.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the Jenny Desmond all the time Houston I got too much time because
[SPEAKER_00]: going since all my families can make so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for that family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Sandra Lorraine or Elana, and I'm sorry if I pronounced that wrong, but I think it's pretty right, or Elana, was the 27-year-old disco biscuit beauty, dark hair, ambitious living in Houston.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was engaged to being married.
[SPEAKER_00]: She worked as a worker's compensation claim specialist for a company called skill master.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now skill master was a national employment agency.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her fiance actually lived very far from Houston in Hong Kong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was about to go visit him after a work trip that she had planned in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_00]: and perver family, she was actually thinking about maybe moving to Hong Kong to be closer to her fiance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although, I mean, that would be a big change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, Hong Kong is a great city, it's big, it's lively, but, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: Texas is 100% different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was headed to LA on this work trip that I was talking to you about to have a dinner with an executive of a company that for company had just acquired.
[SPEAKER_00]: And her boss, 33-year-old Robert Lee Salzar, who was school master's general manager of operations, asked Sandra to come along to accompany him on this work dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Salzar was a married man, two kids, and also lived in the Houston area.
[SPEAKER_00]: On November 12, 1996, Sandra and Robert flew from Houston to California for this business dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: They checked into the industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hills Sheraton Hotel in the city of industry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was like, where's that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the city of industry and that's like right outside of Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the city of industry is like just that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a lot of business.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's very little residents.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's only as of the 2020 census to like about 270 or 260 people living.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's less than I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, so me too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then so I looked up to see that you could buy a house or something right here and you have like absolutely nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's really just industry right there's 3,000 businesses in this little tiny area.
[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks somebody would have built a high ride and stuck a bunch of condos in there right now, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, there's got it and well, there's hotels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Sheraton where they were seeing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, these two, they checked into their hotel, and they were put on the same floor in adjacent rooms.
[SPEAKER_00]: That evening, they go out to dinner with this business executive from the other company that they had just acquired.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then this particular night wasn't just any old business in our night.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually happened to be Sandra's 27th birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure the three of them had a drink or two or more A, B, more at dinner and then Sandra and Robert came back to the hotel and had a few more drinks at hotel bars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now some reports claim that they each had four drinks at dinner alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and it depends on what kind of drinks you're having.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're getting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, those are on my ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would be like, yeah, I wouldn't say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, one, one, one, I've been on my ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, with a hearted call at all, but I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, actually four of any.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what I was going to say, and I mean, I feel like even for somebody who can handle their looker,
[SPEAKER_00]: And now some reports, so let's just say, she had anywhere for the whole night, four minimum, maybe more after they came back to the Marth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were definitely toasty and Sandra probably thought, why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's her birthday, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Love it up, live it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, at the hotel bar where they went after the dinner, things got really friendly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Witnesses say they saw Sandra and Robert at the bar dancing, humming and even kissing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, these witnesses are not associated with them at all, and they said that it looked like both of them were having a great time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both were very affectionate with each other, laughing,
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, around midnight, they had it up to the eighth floor where their rooms were, and Robert says he dropped her off at her room.
[SPEAKER_00]: In the morning, they were set to go to work, and maybe they are for something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm yet, there's something work related.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something work related.
[SPEAKER_00]: Robert calls Sanders room, phone, because remember, this is, I both, it's not before cell phones, but I doubt Sandra had a cell phone, 1990, I've been sick.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be really early.
[SPEAKER_00]: She did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very common back then to pick up the phone and follow who tell them to hotel rooms.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, totally.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was like what you did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you remember that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, sometimes I notice that hotel don't even have songs anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have like the cure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can make your calls or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they like have a reservation right to get to food.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not wearing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've had a couple of hotel rooms now that are like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's still cruising out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some like what if you mean something
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's a little, yeah, I know, and the light that's not like it either.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyways, Robert in the morning call Sanders room phone twice and links messages on the hotel answering machine, which remember then you get the blinking light.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, you have a message.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's asking Sandra where she is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get down here.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was no answer and no call back and no Sandra.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then the unthinkable.
[SPEAKER_00]: A hotel guest finds a woman naked from the bottom down in just a camcile tankfob.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like she had fallen from her balcony, ate floors up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, a shand of course this woman in Sandra.
[SPEAKER_00]: Police were immediately called, but Sandra was long gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and how does he know we like see that or hear that also?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that is a good question, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can see how you don't see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do, I mean, there's no tell shades or dark if your shades are closed or whatever, but I mean, that has got to be a loud thump.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where you would think everybody would be coming out of their rings on what in the world was that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would think if you would hear a screen or something, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like if I'm falling off the railing, I'm probably screaming on the way down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, because like you're so scared, then you can't get anything out through.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when I was bungee jumping like that, feeling, did you scream?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I remember wanting to scream, but like nothing comes out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this weird feeling like you just because it kind of like takes the the breath away Yeah, because you're like thought there's nothing stopping you and you just feel like you're been Yeah, I don't like that at all I did it twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went with Sean on our high moon to do this bungee and we We're struck together and only one together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm South Africa
[SPEAKER_00]: and we walked the plank all the way out and he'd do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was I turned around and said I can do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: I bet that happens all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sean said, you're going to recruit the zeroings.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't regret it.
[UNKNOWN]: No way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But tell me it's like you're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still don't regret it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Still totally fine that I did not But I vote all for that point only when I got just you only live once yeah, and I am going to live not But I'm still alive and I've been in its ways maybe I was in skydiving too
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, still here to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ain't it the parking lot is still here to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, anyhow, Sandra did not obviously survive the 100 foot drop because there wasn't a bungee attached to her unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Robert, those out to the hotel room with the police and they are questioning him right away, like, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: what happened here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where did you see her last?
[SPEAKER_00]: How did this happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, we were out to dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a great time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had some drinks out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I walked her to her room and that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says he went straight back to his own room and
[SPEAKER_00]: He has no idea what happened her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not buying it.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the police weren't buying it either, Jenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they immediately go into Santa's room and they find men's underwear.
[SPEAKER_00]: course, and that underwear matched underwear in Salazar's room.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, I'm hello.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hello.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Robert looks like you're same underwear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's a nice event.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, Robert looks like you're missing a shoe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I found one intertwined in Sandra's bed sheets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God.
[SPEAKER_00]: How stupid do you have to be?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're going to do something like that to somebody,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if I want to lay stuff and check and make sure everything's good before you leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did not do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, police immediately were like, okay, buddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're like, are you guys in adding up what exactly happened here?
[SPEAKER_00]: So he changed his story and he says, well, I didn't want to say anything because I'm a married man and you know, I did go into her room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her midnight.
[SPEAKER_00]: he claimed that they had consensual sex and according to him after they became intimate on the bed, Sandra said she was feeling hot and wanted to step out on the balcony for some fresh air and they got it on a little bit longer and she tried to lift her leg like she was going to sit on the balcony and lost her balance and fell over onto the ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, freaking right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says it happened so fast that he just didn't know what to do, so he stood there for 15 seconds, grabbed his clothes and left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he did not call 911.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did not scream for help, or do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: What he did do was go down to the hotel lobby that next morning, for 10 that Sandra was still alive, called her and left her boy smells that said, hey, where are you?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you over sleep?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've heard that story before it never works out windows.
[SPEAKER_00]: He never works out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now detectives were pretty convinced that this douchebag was a lying suck of shit Yeah, I mean, how else can I say that's like yeah, that's what it is call it like this that all was done We just spinning either, you know, we're doing some hair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: She's doing downward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, say our convinced that he is flat out line and the detective on the case was named Richard Rodriguez.
[SPEAKER_00]: He just flat out said, like, sounds are not calling 911 was a huge indicator of the own.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like an innocent person would try to get out of a right away, not just high or pretend that nothing happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rodriguez actually said, there is no doubt in my mind that Sandra or Lana did not go over that balcony on her own.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what?
[SPEAKER_00]: So they arrested Salazar that day.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was booked on suspicion of murder immediately and held without bail at first, but he wasn't formally charged at that time and the LA County District Attorney initially decided that there was not enough evidence to prosecute him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm for the initial investigations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Salazar was released and went back to Houston for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, never even tried to get more evidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: At that point, no, the case kind of stalled.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you, I have it in a minute, but I'll tell you why.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is when O.J.
[SPEAKER_00]: was going, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they did not want another acquittal, so they weren't not securing cases that they absolutely will shoe in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that intended the shoe was in the freaking bag.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, we are like, who the what kind of?
[SPEAKER_00]: sex are you having with your shoes on?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're having a battle while she was probably battling or her life and he lost his shoe in the midst of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that is probably what a lot of people think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Sandra's family was really frustrated and understandably so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her family was adamant that there was no accident here that Sandra, you know, how to be on say that she was in love with.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was no way that she was going to be climbing in bed with this like.
[SPEAKER_00]: guy that she actually thought was pretty creepy.
[SPEAKER_00]: She her family says that Sandra had planned the sexual harassment complaint against him that she was going to pursue when she got mad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they said that he always made her feel creepy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the why she don't drink in with him, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I see other that is the other, the I.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to understand why was she canoeing with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did she say yes to go on this business trip?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been in the situation before at work where there was a guy that he was a real great man.
[SPEAKER_00]: and he was at my husband and I thought, yeah, he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband and he was at my husband
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you second guess yourself, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm love Gorge.
[SPEAKER_00]: And especially I was an I think that's not so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one day, I said, oh, do you like I mess it, you know, I mess it, you know, I mess it, you know, I mess it, you know, I mess it, you know, I mess it, you know, you know, I said, it's like, hey, my mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize that we were going to lunch with a bunch of people, and oh, he's like, but maybe we can do some deals together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in sales, but he was in sales, but he was in a different part of sales than me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, and he goes, and then we can do some deals together in bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ew!
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I was pretty volatile for Rosen, like I could not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually questioned myself if I heard that right, Alphan, because then he just walked away.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was so stunned.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, did he just really say that to me?
[SPEAKER_00]: He had ended up calling a friend of mine that worked there, and I was like, hey,
[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to tell you what this guy just said to me to get it off the chest and so I tell so many about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but isn't that crazy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm trying to ask yourself, am I overreacting?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not overreacting.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can kind of see where maybe she just, you know, she's probably telling her family that her boss is this way, but then again, yes, I know she got wasted and maybe he came on to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe she's like, if I just give them a little bit, maybe he'll like, let it go, yeah, I don't, yeah, these are all just exceptions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that old situations of why it happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really sure, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, although the investigators were convinced that this was no accident, they needed more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they actually took a dummy, a fire hose dummy.
[SPEAKER_00]: that it was approximately sand or size and try to reenact the ball from this balcony to see if it would land.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like how was it land a certain way?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they said that the dummy would not land where sand or his body was found if it was just a follow a fall, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_00]: It actually needed
[SPEAKER_00]: and or somebody to jump like a zoo.
[SPEAKER_00]: Variety, the evaluation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also the balcony railing was really, it was pretty high, she was pretty short.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she has some kind of confidence in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Inches taller than the balcony itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for her too,
[SPEAKER_00]: whole of herself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all for this balcony just doesn't make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: By someone doesn't really make a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, I don't think she'd be half naked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's another thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her family said, once she was super scared of heights, there was no way that she would go and sit on a balcony at, you know, eight stories, hi.
[SPEAKER_00]: Life, you're also super wasted.
[SPEAKER_00]: So your inhibitions are kind of thrown out the window sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's just like who knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I personally don't think she would do that, but no.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you go on without my best, you have some pants on and go on the balcony naked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it was like a suicidal thing, saying thing, like she wouldn't do it, have to make it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just had her clothes on.
[SPEAKER_00]: nobody would do it naked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because women don't want no eating like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get, yeah, no, there's no, there's no way.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way that this is suicide.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: A great, a great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So all of this pointed to fall play and despite all these red flowers, suspicions and the late 90s, they couldn't bring these charges.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it went cold for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then in 1997, January, actually, it was shown on on solid mysteries, which is weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we just talk about that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: On.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it did help shine a spotlight on this case, and not long after that broadcast, the LA County Corner officially actually changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sanders' manner of death from accidental to homicide.
[SPEAKER_00]: The autopsy had found bruises, scratches, and other injuries on the Sanders body that did not come from fall or hitting the railing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they'd have some physical injuries, yeah, but even with that, they still did not arrest cells are until they got even more evidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's fast forward a couple years, actually, four years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this case got more life to it when a new district attorney in Los Angeles took office.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is where I said, like the we kind of had a change of hands here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so
[SPEAKER_00]: O.J.
[SPEAKER_00]: was a few years past and so now we're in the settle and that's so we're structure and we're getting somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have a new DA and they bring this case about to life and investigators went back and retested evidence using more advanced
[SPEAKER_00]: that they have now, it's like 2001, and yet ago, new DNA evidence emerged.
[SPEAKER_00]: In early 2001, they discovered several key pieces of forensic evidence that had been overlooked or not fully processed before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sandra Blood was found on a shirt that belonged to Selzar.
[SPEAKER_00]: and second her blood was on the bed sheets in the hotel room.
[SPEAKER_00]: And third, they found cells are skin cells under Sandra's fingerprints.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so she for sure was bodily.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it typically implies that somebody scratch somebody when there is a yeah,
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was huge.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was huge, you know, evidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the new evidence, Los Angeles authorities finally felt that they did have a case.
[SPEAKER_00]: In March 2001, over four years after Sanders' death, Salazar was arrested and charged for her murder.
[SPEAKER_00]: They bought him back from Texas.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was still living in Texas.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was now 38 and he fled, not guilty of that work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: While a way in trial, he gave an exclusive interview to 48 hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Royal loved 48 hours, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: He sat next to his wife, Van, on this 48 hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, I was with another woman.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in a room.
[SPEAKER_00]: I shouldn't have been in.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I did not cause for it to fall off the balcony.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think his wife ever knew?
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I think his wife ever knew?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, my ass, she thinks so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, well, like did she all know about the accident itself?
[SPEAKER_00]: She probably didn't really hear that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she did know that, because he was in jail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was pretty like a one point in the three hours interview like he had to step away and ask her if she could like say a couple things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he definitely wanted to stay married to this woman, and he was doing everything that he could.
[SPEAKER_00]: He admitted to cheating because he kind of had a job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but he denied hurting Sandra.
[SPEAKER_00]: He also denied ever harassing her at work.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said he wasn't even attracted to her wigs, liar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Liar, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't have ever even gotten to that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, Robert Snowbrooker, okay, D.O.
[SPEAKER_00]: and Sandra was really beautiful.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, of course, Robert, I don't care if you were going to have sex with her or not, yeah, you obviously found this woman attractive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, 90% of people would find her attractive, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, just in lying about that, just goes to hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm like, you're fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you wanted to say that, so it makes her wife feel better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just admit that you found her attractive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, and then move on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that doesn't make you guilty even if you found her attractive.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should see, I'll show you pictures of her.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's attractive lately, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't say you're not attractive to her.
[SPEAKER_00]: That really pissed me off, but I can tell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he told 48 hours also that he panicked after.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he went back to his hotel room and prayed and cried.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was too scared to call 911 because it, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: have a baby and he was, you know, he had two kids and whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Went to his hotel room and prayed and cried, but never full of nine more.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the night four and that's one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you praying for life for somebody else to call night on Miracle?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she's going to rise from the diners.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what in the world?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you will, she might be ready to say this on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now October 2002, when there were six years after Sanders' death, it was time for his day in court.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the prosecution was left by deputy DA Robert Foltz.
[SPEAKER_00]: He told the jury that Salzar made a plan to seduce
[SPEAKER_00]: and a salt sander that night.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said he deliberately bought her very drunk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her blood alcohol level was actually 0.22, which is a little walk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't three times the legal limits, so it was super high.
[SPEAKER_00]: They said he used this trip as a chance to corner her once he got her into her room.
[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to have sex with her.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she resisted at some point, maybe she initially went along with some the falling around at the bar, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But then my second thoughts and thought back, which I kind of think is, you know, I don't have clients here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've made out with people and there was no chance in how I was ever going to have sex with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I go and I I didn't see if you've had that much alcohol.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see how you could get caught up in the moment or I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's saying like, yeah, she was going to have sex with the sky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I don't think so either.
[SPEAKER_00]: They believe Sandra has scratched his face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because I forgot to mention, he did have scratch on his face that next morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, um, or fought him off evidence by skin under her fingernails.
[SPEAKER_00]: and possibly why also his clothes like you said were strong about the ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and at that point he realized he was in deep trouble because she was either going to like tell on him, tell his wife, tell the burner, all these things, the uphand he snout.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, this is only way out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps in anger and he can't force her out on the balcony and
[SPEAKER_00]: and they said it was not a suicide and not a drunk accident.
[SPEAKER_00]: They highlighted all the evidence, the blood, the DNA, the injuries, they even had a detective or actually the detective, Rodriguez, he was in retirement.
[SPEAKER_00]: He came out of retirement and just by he told the jury about finding Salazar's underwear and shoe and how he initially lied to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: the corner and the other experts also testified to, you know, the bruises on Sandra, they talked about like throwing a dummy on off, and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the defense, they stocked two Salazar's original claim that no murder, just a horrible accident during a consensual behavior role.
[SPEAKER_00]: sucks that they had.
[SPEAKER_00]: They admitted that the two were having an affair that night, and so they were like, yes, my client cheated on his wife.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not proud of that, but it's not a crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they always say, I've heard that story so many times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, got here, son.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, to hate you, I saw
[SPEAKER_00]: They emphasized how drunk they both were, uh, the defense attorney basically said Sandra has own reckless actions led to her death that she climbed that railing herself and fell off before cells are could do anything to stop it.
[SPEAKER_00]: She fell on her own, he panicked after and he didn't kill her.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also tried to undermine this struggle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they got an criminologist that testified that the blood and all these bruises and were not signed have a fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that there was no sign of a fight in the hotel room because things were not thrown around or nothing was not to work.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's not a lot of furniture to knock over any hotel room.
[SPEAKER_00]: there's there was enough things shopler i mean a shoe in the bag that i mean that alone that shows that there was some sort of chaos going on so i think do you know enough like a shoe in the bag every night that's not normal that yes not normal it's not that events also brought in a biochemical engineer who used a computer to do simulations to argue that because sanders body actually landed
[SPEAKER_00]: Relatively close to the building she couldn't have been forcefully pushed off.
[SPEAKER_00]: They claim that Is someone through her she would land further out since she was found just like 50 people low the overhang They say it aligns more with an accidental slip off It does contradict what the dummy test says that you know these are drooling experts and also what about that's what happens when you get
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Robert's cells are himself took the stand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is risky for our independent to do, but in this case, I think it probably saved his ass because he was the only eyewitness to this and he cried on sand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he could now I never heard in Sandra.
[SPEAKER_00]: The prosecutors did grill him on his weird actions like the phone hall to her room and he says he didn't have a good answer for that aside from he wasn't thinking or he wasn't thinking straight.
[SPEAKER_00]: One other piece of evidence that did come up was there are there were two marks on the
[SPEAKER_00]: But other than those two prints on the whole entire railing, there's not any unsettled dust.
[SPEAKER_00]: So think of like, you know, it's dirty out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was that two hand prints on the railing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it didn't look to that, to the prosecutor's side.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody was like putting their leg off board.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_00]: I say nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's either stands around laying on her and herself up and over without touching the railing or Robert, after he threw her, went and held the railing to look over and over and see her.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also could be that those two ham prints were from before when she just checked in and she went over the material.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like nobody knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is just one thing to note.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it wasn't like she was climbing up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: now the trial lasted a few weeks and the jury took only nine hours to raise a verdict with that short and what do you think they came to?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, based on what you saw in a minute ago,
[SPEAKER_00]: How did they come back with an old guilty?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they saw you that so they quit in Robert Salson really yeah in November of 2002.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they found him not guilty on both first degree and second degree murder charges.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I have, maybe they should have put in, like, almost lesser charge, like, negligent homicide, yeah, something or something house, but now they didn't, they had him on first in Sapping Degree Murder, and it was not guilty on both of those, and he walked free.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, hold on, should there be some sort of consequence at the minimum, if you don't call the book, yes, and you don't call from out, if you don't call for help, let's just say, which obviously don't believe whatsoever that he actually didn't hurt her, but let's just say he didn't, that story's true, he panicked and this and that.
[SPEAKER_00]: you left the scene knowing that somebody was severely injured at us could have you could have made you say their wife if you had done something soon enough how do you not get something for that involuntary manslaughter?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I know, that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they should have, I think it had to been in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they should have had that as one of the charges.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's an easy guilty right there.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's already admitted to being there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can just leave somebody to die and walk away.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you should not be able to.
[SPEAKER_00]: But unfortunately, in this case, this case, he was able to do that because it looks to me like they had some awful things and they said not guilty on both of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: The jury for person and some of the jurors actually later spoke and one of the jurors named
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't believe for a second that he intentionally threw her over, but we were bothered by the absence of the sign.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she said, yeah, she says, but we were bothered by the absence of any signs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was trouble because they believed this criminologist, that's like there was no strong one on the ground, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Another one said, we didn't necessarily believe him, but we didn't have enough evidence to prove that it was a crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there was just a lot of, I guess, a smoking gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I do think it helped that he got on Sam and he cried.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he took the stand for his own defense.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that jumps sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he found a pair of underwear in a shoe in like, clearly he freaking ran.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're very disabled.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, is that not, yes, shows something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Supposedly, what he says is he stood there for 15 seconds, and he turned around, grabbed his stuff, forgetting a shoe and a, and his underwear, and went to his room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, wow, now he, of course, was relieved.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll sell outside the courtroom.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, we pray for her family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, let's go.
[SPEAKER_00]: I speak to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had been a rake, and we're really sorry about what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: obviously like very relieved and called it a tragedy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sanford's family, on the other hand, left the courtroom in complete sorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I haven't even imagined.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did not talk to the media that day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the prosecutor said it was obviously a disappointment, but the acknowledged that the
[SPEAKER_00]: The district attorney's office, under Steve Cooley said they did not regret trying this case.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave it their best shot with the evidence that they did have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Rodriguez that detective was pretty bitter after the verdict he so, yeah, insisted that Salazar was responsible for Sanders' death.
[SPEAKER_00]: And,
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, he just said that the jury just didn't see it that way, but that's where, you know, it had to end because there is no double jeopardy.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he may not be relying for this crime ever again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the case is legally clueless.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I hope he's enjoying his light and gosh, yeah, I hope he thinks about it every night when he lays down to go to bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: break burger soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hope he's praying real hard now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that special story is in the sand case.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So because it's kind of like and also I said, I don't normally do them because one I don't really like to talk about what like people that are not in prison.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she people out of the Texas and are not in prison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I was thinking
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long time since this case actually took place right 1996, and yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a weird case because it's not it's closed, but I have a feeling that he was more responsible than, oh, yeah, absolutely, I guess in a little bit, I get away with murder.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess so.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so anyways, I hope her family has, you know, some sort of us, yeah, um, and taking on her, like, like to see and one of her and make good, good things happen for them.
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