[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, guys, welcome to this very special TFL car chat because I've got case and case, what else do we got?
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got all kinds of American muscle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So of all the episodes for me to be taking Tommy's seat to talk about mostly core vets.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the one that I'm happy to be on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you're listening to this on your favorite podcast platform, we are standing in front of $220,000 worth of American sports slash muscle slash sporty cars, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: V8's and 1v10 that we'll talk about as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although it's funny, the majority of that $220,000 is in one car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even if you combine all these cars, it's still less than
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we do have some pretty affordable muscle in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've also got the newest most cutting edge that you can get.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're really going to talk about a pretty broad range of some awesome cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really some of our favorite cars we've ever owned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is really a core vet special because we have owned pretty much every core vet except for the C1 and the C2.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're listening to this, I am standing next to the 1968
[SPEAKER_01]: See three and we're gonna go through and walk it and show you everything around it and show you all the cool features The next to it is the C4 Corvette, but this one special isn't the case.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not any C4 it's the ZR1 So is arguably I would argue the top of the food chain because the Grand Sport was also really cool So there's maybe a debate to be had there
[SPEAKER_00]: but the ZR1 was the most expensive of the C4's, so very impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then behind it, we have the natural competitor to the C4ZR1, and by the way the four, if you guys are new to Corvette, just means fourth generation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So C is Corvette and four is fourth generation, but this would have competed directly with the ZR1 and what is this?
[SPEAKER_00]: So 1994 Dodge Viper, and as much of a Corvette guy as I am, I will admit,
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of if not my single favorite vehicle the company has owned since I've been here for the last six years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is, you know, the quintessential American muscle car, all attitude and all crap interior, but we'll get to that in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then finally we have our newest purchase, which we just traded in for our 2020 Chevy C8, the eighth generation Corvette.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the new 2025.
[SPEAKER_01]: C8, 06 and this is a much different beast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually there's one bit of interesting information that the ZR1 and the Z06 share over all the decades and that is case that there has not been an overhead cam Corvette since the ZR1 since until you get to the Z06.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so this C401 was pretty revolutionary being a dual overhead cam V8 that we'll talk about because this is a very interesting engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: We get to look at the progression of these cars over quite a broad range of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, we haven't had a C1 and a C2.
[SPEAKER_00]: We also haven't had a C7.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we've owned more generations of core vets.
[SPEAKER_00]: than ones that we haven't had.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have a C5.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can get a C6.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, like I said, I went on the launch of the C7, so I'm very familiar with that, and now we have what I think is the ultimate, the most balanced of the current new Corvette, which is the ZO6, of course, there's a ZR1 and a ZR1X and an E-Ray, but I think this is the one you want, and we'll get to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's start with not the C1, not the C2, because I got a tight case.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a lot about those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is a bit of a problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very upright, and of course, see stands for Corvette and Corvette stands for, well, it's a type of military boat.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how the Corvette was named.
[SPEAKER_01]: A class of military boat to Corvette's.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the C-1s, as they were getting the car going, weren't necessarily hot rods when the car first started out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, the C-2 is an absolutely beautiful car, but it's not mechanically sophisticated.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh 63.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, stunning.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of the best looking cars on the road period.
[SPEAKER_00]: This C3 is a really nice combination because you can find some pretty affordable C3s out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one we got for around about 20,000, but you can find especially later model C3s for even less because these cars went from
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, 68.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the way to 82.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a long production run.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the car changed a lot over that time.
[SPEAKER_00]: This being a first year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually like it a little better because it's got the classic chrome bumper.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what they're known for.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are called the chrome bumper cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this video slash podcast, we're also going to start all of them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then at the end, we should start all of them up.
[SPEAKER_00]: at the same time.
[SPEAKER_00]: How many gallons of fuel per minute do you think that would be?
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's go back to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I went out of hot take on the C3.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my favorite of all the corvettes from a style perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now a lot of people who disagree with that, but I love the classic big haunches, coke bottle shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just a classic.
[SPEAKER_01]: American muscle slash sports car depending on how you want to look at it and we were lucky enough to get the first year or maybe Unlucky enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a story that current driver tells about this car.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I think it was current driver when Chevy built this car They delivered it to current driver.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for review and we played a current driver give it back and said give it to us when it's done
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which was a harsh but possibly fair critique because there are some strange things like the door handle set up on this car So on later c3 core vets that's all you do push that down that pops open the door on this car
[SPEAKER_00]: you've got to push this additional little lever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's kind of two levers built into the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a slightly strange operation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to say, what's your the other strange thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to show the windshield wipers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the windshield wipers are at least strange in a cool way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is the only...
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the only year of the C3, where the windshield wipers actually completely retract behind this little cow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this will show you, will demonstrate.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit of given take.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one is kind of a cool feature.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might have to get the ignition on.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, let's start off and let's listen to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then let's see if we can show them the wipers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So getting into this car is a good way to tear or dislocate your hip flexor if you're not prepared for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look.
[SPEAKER_00]: As much as I would like to think I am, I'm not actually that massive of a dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: My legs could be bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And look at the issue with sliding my leg under the steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know why that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, that is the smaller steering wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the previous owner actually put on a smaller one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't start up yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So imagine if you had the full size one, but this is the complete bean can of a core of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: a C3 so there is only one option on this car and you could have gotten an option where that steering wheel actually tilted up so you can get in which would have been lovely but the only option we got and this is also you know how like Corvette guys like to talk about like this is one of that's yellow and you know this is only one of 200 C3 68 Corvette with a three-speed manual
[SPEAKER_00]: which is not necessarily an option that you want because it was not a particularly expensive upgrade to get a four-speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: This instead is a three-speed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So genuinely a pretty rarely seen feature although not a desirable rare.
[SPEAKER_01]: This might be a one-of-one in terms of being canned Corvette.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the only option this came with.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only, it didn't even have no power steering noise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no, if you look over there, they were like little pockets on the front where you could like have.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't have a glove box, but there was like a little pocket there to hold things.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a crazy thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't even have the pocket, but what we do have is a convertible top.
[SPEAKER_01]: So one option, one option only, because the three speed was a base.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The three speed manual I should say, but we do have the convertible.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this car came with one option.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a convertible.
[SPEAKER_01]: To start up with this into a sounds glorious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell you what, even a base car, it's still got a V8
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now that is the Chevy 350 V8, the way God intended.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, now watch the way the wipers work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So check this out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you flip the wiper on, a panel moves out of the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: The wipers come up from behind the hood.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a really neat operation and it cleans up the front end of the car a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then do it again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to show you something cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come over here and show them the way the mechanism works.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you watch it from this, you'll see the mechanism and how it moves the wipers beneath the wipers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that how cool is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a tough thing for podcast listeners, but I'd say if you're just listening, it's worth looking up a video of how these wipers work.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a very neat thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And those are vacuum-up, right, I believe, which means that they usually don't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: So find a car with working one.
[SPEAKER_01]: You wanna pop the hood while you're down there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we can show them what's under the hood.
[SPEAKER_01]: So of course this came with a 350 and the big block was a 427 which we don't have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and even some cars that had 454s, this one's a 327 and they're claiming on the air cleaner at least 300 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been 300 gross horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you were to put this on a dyno to the rear wheels, it would be not 300.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say, like, in a, from a Corvette hardcore Corvette enthusiasts, you'll know this, but I want to say, like in the early 70s, Chevy actually started not, you know, doing gross horse power, but wheel horse power, and that's of course when the horse power went down significantly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the C3 generation is unique and that it really is split into two parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: pre let's call it 73 and post 73, or in other words, the chrome bumper cars versus the, you're a thing for the older cars, which yeah, looked dramatically different also as emissions came into play.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and that's how it trains were pretty different.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you said the magic word emissions, basically you get into the malaise era of the 70s.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what happened and I was a young lad at this point, the old technicians had a boycott and we started
[SPEAKER_01]: and that led to us also rationing horse power eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so cars became choked with emissions equipment and they also became much slower and that happened about 73 or 74 and those cars are dirt cheap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what children had lights?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what they still had, even in that era, were some fantastic pop-up headlights, which I might need to flip the key on again for.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not making sure it's not going to go flying at coal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, make it start.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, pop the headlights.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were coming up.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, there they go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, pop up headlights.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is a little bit of a lazy eye.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It comes up slower than the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: and goes down slower.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other must be vacuum-up-rated, same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's still very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you that I really do think the shape and the design of this car.
[SPEAKER_00]: is among the best, not only of core vets, of all time, but of just car's period.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Coke bottle shape is incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And interestingly, value-wise, the chrome bumper cars are a lot more valuable than the Eurothane bumper cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this car we bought for 22,000, if this were a Eurothane bumper, let's say this was a 75, or even an anniversary, those cars are,
[SPEAKER_01]: between five and 20,000 all day long.
[SPEAKER_01]: And more likely they're like a $10,000 car.
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, as much as I prefer, these earlier C3s and they're styling,
[SPEAKER_00]: for $10,000, you can't knock it, that's a potentially a very fun car for the money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And since we bought that car, we need to kind of say goodbye to some of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you guys are interested, are you selling the C3?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is news to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm ready to move this on because I think we've done about everything we can do with it right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's time for it to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're interested, Judas and E-mail at TFL-Car, and I haven't decided on a price yet, but we did pay 22,000 for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's worth, like, in the mid-20 range.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a driver, it's mechanically sorted, but it's one of those 20 foot cars where, you know, it looks good from 20 feet away, but the paint job is not grand.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was an original Colorado car that sat for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy, I think it's sat until like from like 92 until now, where it was taken out of the barn, it was repainted.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they did the yellow, but they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is originally this beautiful kind of rust copper red color, which I would have liked better.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it is what it is, somebody kind of did a yellow paint job on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that you need about these, I think this is the last year of real fiberglass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we get to the C4.
[SPEAKER_01]: People think that those are fiberglass, but they actually composite.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think this was still fiberglass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and speaking of fiberglass vehicles, this driving it to me has as much in common in the driving experience with a criss-craft as it does with later Corvettes like the C4.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, tell me about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's it like to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, since the seating position is not not necessarily friendly to taller pick-up guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: The steering wheel is right in your lap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how do you, I have a hard time shifting because the steering wheel is right in my lap and I can't lift my foot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I can't lift my leg to actually shift it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ergonomics of it are ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, where you sit in the car.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's true of the majority of these vehicles that we're talking about today, but you are right in front of the rear wheels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's something to get used to.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of hood, a lot of front end in front of you, so your seating position is kind of weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the phone for this and it's seen that long, like, oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love the tail of this car too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at the back of this two exhaust popping out the back of those four iconic round Corvette headlights right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just, it's just a really good design.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like one of our exhausts is going off a little bit sideways.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which could be factory original.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, in the way that, again, these cars were constructed.
[SPEAKER_00]: No shade being thrown at the car either, because we absolutely love these.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love Corvettes as much as anybody out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is just a rocking good time, but you gotta appreciate it also for what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and ironically, you know, these became Corvettes we came known as Old Man cars.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, cars that you would take to the golf club with your buddies to go golf.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you put your golf clubs in this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially being a convertible, you're a little, you're a little out of luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing I do love about a lot of Corvettes though is the fuel fill in the center here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: At times it could be a little bit stressful because you've got to walk the hose all the way over your bodywork to get to it, but this means you could pull up to a pump on either side, which I actually like a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the only storage in this car is this space behind the right back here, behind the seats.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess you could perhaps, that's where the battery lives through.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could perhaps squeeze, I guess, a set of golf clubs back there if you had to, or if you were by yourself, I guess you could squeeze them in the passenger compartment, but that's about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like the little plaque on the Corvette.
[SPEAKER_01]: That tells you the way the gears go.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all those kind of old school dials and gauges feel not only retro, but feel really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the shape of the dash on a C3 Corvette feels very cockpit-like.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's angled backward.
[SPEAKER_00]: The gauges are deep set into that dash.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's got a very unique appearance.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could pick it out of a lineup.
[SPEAKER_00]: of any other dash on any other car.
[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't mistake a C3 Corvette dash for anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there's just some classic design features like the shark fin, like the shark gills on the side.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you'll see those carried over into the C4.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, they didn't carry the coke bottle shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what size are these tires?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we're going to be talking about tires in a second, because we're going to get extremely wide.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, we're going to get wider.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're also going to get much bigger in diameter.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these are 15 inch wheels.
[SPEAKER_00]: And my rear tire here is a 225.
[SPEAKER_00]: A 225, 15.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So not in a specially wide tire.
[SPEAKER_01]: There.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can show it from behind because that's really where you can see how wide that tire is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's not all that wide.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it doesn't look at a place on a C3, because C3 is an old car and that's a...
[SPEAKER_00]: more of a period correct tire size.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as we kind of transition onward, let's just look at a comparison between the width of a C3 rear tire.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the width of especially our C4 ZR1, which is wider than a base C4.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a 315.
[SPEAKER_00]: 315 and this is a 17, how big is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, these are 17 inch wheels on a C4 ZR1, 315.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even my base C4 that I used to have,
[SPEAKER_00]: As I owned it, not necessarily the factory tire size, maybe 10 millimeters wider, but I believe mine was a 285.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's transition to the next generation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, you lost a co-pital shape, this became composite instead of fiberglass.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it turned into a little bit more of a wedge car, which I actually like.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know I'm kind of for the most part alone in this, especially like.
[SPEAKER_00]: You listen to Doug DeMiro's podcast or something, they as well as most people don't like C4's.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love C4's.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is crazy enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've owned a C4, and this is my favorite generation of Corvette, so feel free to make fun of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's certainly, I mean, you take a magnificent step toward modernity when you go from the C3 to the C4.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could consider this a modern sports car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was kind of a tweener between the C2, which is still pretty old school, whereas this is very modern.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the biggest things to the C4's credit that you can't get really from looking at pictures and necessarily watching videos of them is how much
[SPEAKER_00]: more modern to your point and how much better this car drives than a C3.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is so much more modern.
[SPEAKER_00]: This feels like a car in one and this is a car that in this day and age you could stick on a track you could put sticky rubber on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you have a base C4 Corvette you could massage the engine a little bit and make it
[SPEAKER_00]: a fun and pretty competitive track day car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, one of the great things about the C4-0-1 that we have here is I think it's some people, you know, the youngsters would say it's been slept on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say the market has undervalued this car, because this was
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of Chevy's moon shot at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it had just a lot of cutting edge technology, like I said, first overhead cam.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is something that most people don't know before we get to the power train, which is really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: This car was, I think, also three inches wider.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where the problem came in the regular C4.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're C4 was how much when you bought it, you had a black one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we paid $30,000, and I think you'd get a whole lot more car.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do, for, you know, basically $20,000 more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the way you can tell a ZR1 from a regular C4 is two ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: First, the little chimns will up there, the little third brake light.
[SPEAKER_01]: That stays up there because the car, like I said, what GM did basically was they didn't just widen the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: They cut the car in half, so they did the engineering.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like he just made the body work wider.
[SPEAKER_01]: You actually cut the car in half and they added three inches of width to the whole car.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other way you can tell is zero ones have this flag surround because obviously this is where you can tell the three inches, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where the license plate would normally be tucked up against a rear.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're back, back up late.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but one of the issues that this car had is it was significantly more expensive, whereas a base C4 Corvette like mine back in the day would have been around $30,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this would have been for this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: 50?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit, where is the...
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying a lot of box at the top.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's in the back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kept all the tape for it, so we're going to economics of reaching in the back of the C4 Corvette right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've got the sticker.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a lot of documents on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one's fully documented.
[SPEAKER_01]: So keep in mind, the original owner paid 10,000 over the sticker price.
[SPEAKER_01]: But look at the sticker.
[SPEAKER_01]: 60.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and he paid, I think,
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the bill sale here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I want to say he paid like 70,000 for this car.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a crazy thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Standard vehicle price, about $32,000 here in 1990, zero one special performance package in additional 27,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one has a few extras.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Look how much he paid.
[SPEAKER_00]: You paid 80.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 20.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look.
[SPEAKER_01]: You paid 20,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, $20,000 over the sticker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which in 1989?
[SPEAKER_01]: You paid 85,000 for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: $80,000 in 1990.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is they shocking?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right today's money.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a 10 million.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other issue, yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other issue with that is that this car,
[SPEAKER_00]: at a glance, it doesn't even know it is that much wider like you said, and they put so much effort into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: This car doesn't look that different from a standard C4 Corret.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how much would it cost to actually cut a car in half the long way and then why did?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think about the engineering to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The amount of money engineering and development that went into this engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's another myth that people get wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll show you guys, we'll start off with the cool headlights, because I think it's the only generation of Corvette where the lights actually do like a 180.
[SPEAKER_01]: They come up, they don't go up like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the C3 lights just pop straight up.
[SPEAKER_00]: These ones do a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people think that, and this is true, that this engine was engineered by Lotus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the misconception is that,
[SPEAKER_01]: basically GM pond out the engineering of it to Lotus and so that it was basically a British design.
[SPEAKER_01]: Except people forget that at that time GM own Lotus.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you own the company that's doing the you know, the four cam 32 valve,
[SPEAKER_01]: power train, then it's really GM doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course this is also all aluminum versus an iron block.
[SPEAKER_01]: And GM at that time didn't have a lot of experience with building all aluminum power trains, and so what they did was they went to Mercury Marine, and
[SPEAKER_00]: had them manufactured, especially because it was a smaller volume engine and they were better equipped for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they made GM made this a big challenge unnecessarily so for lotus because if I remember I think they wanted the same bore spacing as a regular 5-7 small block Chevy, which was just kind of an unnecessary design limitation if the bore spacing was a little different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and GM said no, and then they had to redo the entire engine at a cost of, you know, probably tens of millions to get the exact same bore spacing as the traditional.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they made it very difficult.
[SPEAKER_00]: But 375 horsepower on these early cars later on, like 405 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one, 370 pound feet of torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for its day, a very potent.
[SPEAKER_01]: With the key, well, it was shown that while we're at it, show them the key, because that's a cool point.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is definitely for the red key key, came along in the Hellcats.
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah so this is a neat little party trick you have this additional key that lives in the dash and it's got two settings normal and full so if you stick this in the full power mode that's how you get at least on this car the full 375 horsepower once again on some later ZR1's 405 and these ZR1's in 1990 had this updated interior that a lot of people
[SPEAKER_00]: like more than early C4 Corvette interiors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think this one is as retro and fun looking as early C4 Corvette interiors, but it's maybe you could argue better executed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, see this here, you started up and I'll get that exhaust note and you can show them the instrument cluster.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've got this key, my pocket.
[SPEAKER_00]: This car, we might need to do a little top end work on because it does blow some oil.
[SPEAKER_00]: and a little belt squint, but the other funny thing about this car is that
[SPEAKER_00]: for this being a halo car and insane performance vehicle, they really didn't make it very loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not that loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's super quiet.
[SPEAKER_01]: What they did, at least in this version, is they made it very uncomfortable, and that's why you're sitting in it, because my big American ass will not fit in between those two bolsters.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are several different seats you can get in these four corvettes.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is
[SPEAKER_00]: One that I think they paid extra for, it was a more aggressive seat.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does have some pretty tight bolsters, and yeah, I agree, even as narrow as I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you show me a little switch between below the gear shift lever and between the armrest right there, this is one of the first versions of basically ride control, so you can change the way the vehicle rides and one of the different options.
[SPEAKER_00]: tour sport and performance which is cool because that means when it's time to replace your shocks you can spend more money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah because they're more expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you'll see that also in the Z06.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that's I think really cool about it is that of course most core vets come as either Targa's or convertibles and this one particularly has both the glass roof which we have which we have on and then we'll show
[SPEAKER_00]: back end of the second it's also got the regular roof so that's what I can make I contact with you through a transparent roof which you can't do in every car and you can remove this panel so even though this isn't a traditional convertible like you said it's more like a targo so you can pull the top off and still have it be like a convertible which I think is really neat now let me close
[SPEAKER_00]: The good real quick so we can show the one before I do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me talk about another, you know, we were talking about ergonomic issues with the C3.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this one has a horrible ergonomic issue and that is the sill size.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's not that bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: What they did, it's like four inches dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, you just fall into it, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look at that so, what they did was they wanted to have incredible structural rigidity and because it is a targa.
[SPEAKER_01]: to get that, they put all that rigidity in this, like, no, it's like a six inch seal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it succeeded, it car, very stiff, very stiff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did it handle it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Very hard to get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: These seals, totally worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seasier than your BMW I8.
[SPEAKER_00]: True, I would admit, yeah, it's a low bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a low bar.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you want to show them the lights?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got to show the pop-up lights.
[SPEAKER_01]: Show us the pop-up lights, the other cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: This on a lot of C4 core vets.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're ever shopping around for a C4 core vet, and you look at one, and both of the lights pop up exactly how they're supposed to, and you're probably looking at one and decent shape, because it is far from impossible for these to fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like on my C4,
[SPEAKER_00]: Those lights originally, they came with plastic gears.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's idea that was?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can replace them with brass gears, which is good and you should do.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's such a fun operation with these headlights.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so with this car, it is our 9-11 when we're also selling by the way, the 87-9-11 that we're also selling that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just bought a whole bunch of, you bought this, we bought a Bentley and we bought a defender.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're selling a lot of cars to help pay for those, but uh, that one was my problem child previously, because the convertible didn't work, uh, this is our new problem child, because first gear, the sinker, I think is, uh, and I think the engines got some issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we brought this over to a buddy of ours that does a lot of dyno tuning, so we actually ran this on the dyno as well as the Viper and had him go through it because he owns ZR1, he had even another ZR1 before that one, so he's definitely pretty well versed in these cars and he feels like this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: throughout its life has been driven pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how many miles is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like 20, something.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not that many miles, but in those amount of miles, it seems like this car live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or it did a lot of hard starts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to try to put this back.
[SPEAKER_01]: We might have to swap out the transmission, which isn't going to be cheap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, another thing that I'm looking at it is, you see this right there?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that is a little cutout because these are actually very rare.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're looking at a C40 or one, finding one with an original windshield is very hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know that because you've got this cutout right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what GM did at that time is they put this film on the windshield, which helped with the solar radiation.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what at that time was a big deal was of course speeding and getting speeding tickets.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because of this film,
[SPEAKER_01]: radio detectors would not function.
[SPEAKER_01]: So jam cut out a little section of the film where you could place your radio detector and actually have it function so that if you were driving a little more spirited than a lot would allow, you could have a fuzz buster and back then they were fuzz busters that would function.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and these windshields are
[SPEAKER_00]: cool but they're also like you said very expensive because there's not that many of them they don't make them anymore so they sell for quite a bit of money if and as this is especially scary because we live in Colorado if this windshield were to get cracked we couldn't replace it it would be very close at least with the original cutout you could replace it bumper yeah and so i think this car is worth hopefully putting some money into because it does have well let's show them the back let's pop it
[SPEAKER_01]: It does have both tops, it does have the original windshield.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now on my...
[SPEAKER_00]: It is low mileage.
[SPEAKER_00]: See, there we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it did not quite do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's regular.
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't have, so in this one you could obviously, oh, it's got the bad struts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course this, it does have enough room for golf clubs and we do also have the hard tough which slots in, like, kind of unlike the Z6.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can actually latch the hard top here in the trunk, which is cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a place to store it if you want to pop it off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And once again, center mounted gas cap, which is pretty cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can fill up on either side.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And before we move into the modern era, we're going to have to jump over to the natural competitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let me finish up on this car.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in case you guys are wondering, because, you know, we like to bring you along on these journeys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, like we do have a buddy who is expert at these.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you put it on the dyno, what was it putting out?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I can't remember the exact number it was in the 300's.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the dyno is measuring wheel horsepower, not crank horsepower, and this you would expect to be in maybe the
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know, 10, 15% whatever drive train lost for 375 horsepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: You would expect it to be 325?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe even a little higher than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we were, if I remember right around 300, so it didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: On the dyno seem like this car was necessarily underperforming, but then getting out it out on the streets.
[SPEAKER_00]: compared to Jordan's ZR1 he felt like on the road it wasn't performing as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the plan with this car is hopefully we'll sell the yellow one and help finance the repairs on this car.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean the the first gear synchro is just driving me crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't like don't like every time you put it in first gear if you don't double clutch you get that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we want to get that sorted and we want to get the engine back to where it should be otherwise the car is in great shape.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially cosmetically, because medically it's fantastic, which I think is as important as anything because paint, especially original paint is tough, doing some maintenance on the drive line to me, that's not a huge deal, it is what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this year we also purchased the this car which would have been the natural competitor to the zero one back in the 90s and of course this is
[SPEAKER_01]: the first generation Dodge Viper and this was vehicle that was basically meant as I don't know competitor homage whatever you want to call it to the cobra.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Bob Lutz did this when he was a Chrysler and this is about as raw as you can get.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean back in the day this was known as a widow maker because there are no driver aids.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want an analog car, this is it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no way our bags, no traction control, no ABS, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just U and an 8-liter V10 with 400 horsepower, 160 pound feet of torque.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even this car being over 30 years old, it still feels quick.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it puts down some decent quarter mile times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even here, a mile above sea level, we've gone under 14 seconds in the quarter mile, which is not that far off of the times that these were putting down when they were brand new at sea level on a prep surface.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a beast and when we put this on the dyno, this exceeded, kind of well exceeded what we were expecting it to put down.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a great example because the two are very diametrically opposed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this was
[SPEAKER_01]: GM's moonshot in terms of technology, the Corvette, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Corvette, the Zero One Corvette, I mean, like I said, there was not an overhead cam Corvette until the Zero Six came along.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how many years, that's 40 years, right, that there was no overhead cam Corvette.
[SPEAKER_01]: This, on the other hand, is the exact opposite.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's also a myth that we need this fall.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to pop the hood and show them how that's done?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's an interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: process because you start out at the very front of the Viper, so not that I recommend doing this, but technically if you walk up to any first-gen Viper, you can pop the hood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also the doors don't have door locks, so that helps.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there's also a second latch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you initially do that, do the latch.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got to come over here and you need two people, because this hood is one of the biggest hoods in the automotive business.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it opens up like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, that is what the Viper is known for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a Hummeledre 6-8?
[SPEAKER_01]: 8-8, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: 8-liter V10.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a big one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a beast.
[SPEAKER_00]: The funny thing about this engine is that a lot of people, especially on the internet, say they don't think this car sounds good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to say in person and from the driver seat, when you ring it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it sounds really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the issue there is it doesn't have a crosspipe and so we're hearing only five of the cylinders because of course the exhaust comes out the side, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And what you're hearing is only half of the firing order basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so people assume this is the biggest myth of the Viper that this is a truck engine because of course now at that time it was
[SPEAKER_01]: RAM, I mean Dodge, now it's RAM, they do build truck engines, but the story behind it is exactly the opposite.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when this car was developed once again, a Chrysler at the time, didn't have expertise in building aluminum power trains and they wanted, basically they wanted what the Corvette had.
[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted this very advanced, dynamic, tensilinder, and at that time they owned Lamborghini.
[SPEAKER_01]: It actually went to Lamborghini, which
[SPEAKER_01]: had been building 12 cylinders forever, and they said, can you design a 10 cylinder and can you make it an overhead cam?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and of course, being Chrysler about halfway through the process they ran out of money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so instead of getting this very sophisticated engine, they got to push Rod B10.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it still shares, there's a lot of similarities between the design of this V10 and the V10 that you would find in similar era.
[SPEAKER_01]: But because this eventually became a truck engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this came first and then eventually they incorporated the design of this into a truck engine, but the truck engine wasn't aluminum.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was an alloy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's massively different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so this is what the truck engine was based on, but this is not a truck engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was designed by Lamborghini for this car as a vibrant engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is also not a Lamborghini V10 because Lamborghini's V10s are very different.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not push rotors.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this being a push rot engine, they are actually pretty durable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I gotta say, I love about this car.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can be very rough with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can launch it hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: The dry line of this car is very tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you said it durable.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are almost unbreakable.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're about as reliable as any sports car ever made.
[SPEAKER_00]: And since we're talking about how they sound, I might as well go ahead and fire it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to preface that there's a check valve on the, in the fuel system on these that fails.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty common issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I might take a little bit of cranking, but when it starts up, it's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, play, play, play, play, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now that is music to my ears as the cliche goes pace.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you're at all concerned, we did let these cars warm up before starting this podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, don't worry.
[SPEAKER_00]: We drove me.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not cold.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not cold as we're starting them up in revenue.
[SPEAKER_00]: But one of the funny things about these vehicles are these exhaust pipes.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a little caution of warning here on the door jam that tells you be careful because the exhaust gets very hot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can very easily burn yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Generally, here at work, we always wear pants, so it's not as much of a menu, but if you're short, you can get all around 10 to 2 off that exhaust pipe, if you were to back your back of your leg up into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is easy to do, because you were talking about the ZR1 seal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that one's not as tall, but it's wide.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a foot wide.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now the thing about vipers is of course there's three generations, well there's five, but really two of them are kind of mid-generation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the mid-generation generation, the G, this first generation, the mid-gen refresh, they brought it the exhaust out the back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I like the side pipes, sir.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the side pipes are cooler.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the craziest thing about this car, of course, was that it was meant to, like I said, compete with the original Cobra, which, you know, Shelby did, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or at least have a similar philosophy to it, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the interior is the, if you're being kind, it's the most basic interior of any vehicle that I've ever owned, or we've ever owned.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are essentially exposed.
[SPEAKER_00]: basically wood screws holding the dash together, and it does not age well.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first glove box, for example, a lot of this finish on the plastic is scraped off and you would think, wow, this car's pretty old.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also got 18 or so thousand miles.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that happens in that short of a time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not an interior that holds up well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at the steering wheel too.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's certainly no airbag there to get in the way of, you know, you're driving performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta say, if you're buying a Viper because you want a nice interior, probably buying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is all about the driving experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, if you think the C3's analog, this is,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is beyond that a log because this this car was really designed it was initially designed not even to have a top so this top was kind of an after thought and you can tell by the way it sits It looks like a baseball cap.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like a hat turned backwards because
[SPEAKER_00]: the gap at the back is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love one of Tommy's things that we talked about when comparing this car to the C4 ZR1 was if you want cup holders, get a Corvette.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want a roof?
[SPEAKER_01]: Get a Corvette.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, also the back window comes out and luckily we bought this for $40,000 from a used police officer and he had all the bells and whistles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have the soft top, we have the soft windows, we have the hard windows that just slot in.
[SPEAKER_01]: The hub is once you put the windows in you can lock yourself out very easily because there's no door handles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so there's no exterior door handles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Generally you just reach in and grab the door handle on the inside of the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you do have the windows in, what you can do is you can double press the key fob and it pops the door out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But as we were finding this morning, it doesn't necessarily work that well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we'll look at the settings and take the windows out because once again, you don't want to lock yourself out.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that this did not come with, which is the money that we did put into it, unless you're on the other side, because it's a little nice right on the other side.
[SPEAKER_01]: This don't look over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we did find the original wheels for it, this one had the next generation chrome wheels.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like that more than a GTS wheel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they'd be even a later wheel than that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where they were chrome, I just hate that generation of wheels.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these were brand new out of the box, Chrysler wheels, and this is what the car would look like when it came out of the factory.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll notice the wheels and the whole rest of the car are very dirty.
[SPEAKER_00]: which may bother you, but ultimately all of these vehicles, these are not museum pieces, they're not show cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are drivers, we drive them, go long distances, we take them drag racing so that we can make videos for people to watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there are plenty of these sitting in museums, these ones we want to drive, so that's why it looks the way it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people don't love these kind of throwing star style wheels, but they are very correct to the car and to the era in an iconic part of the original design.
[SPEAKER_00]: here on the rear it's a 335 on a 17 inch wheel which is an insanely difficult tire to find.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and show them come in the back again called because that's where you get the real yeah there are there are very few companies that make these tires Michelin is one of them and they send us these tires for this car which we Michelin because you can't get them any other way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which we also really appreciate because like you said these have
[SPEAKER_00]: for being poorly made like we said.
[SPEAKER_00]: And all of these things that we're laughing about with the interior and everything is not to the detriment of this car, because it all adds to the experience and the lore and the history of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is so nice having fresh rubber on this car because we drag race at a lot and being on 20 year old tires in this.
[SPEAKER_00]: bad combo.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to say I've driven it a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It likes drag racing, it likes cruising.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you tried cornering and I haven't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't tried cornering at very hard because of this reputation, but it doesn't scare me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just try this right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've taken it around a corner, pretty good speech, but I think the Widowmaker was probably in its time, a fair assessment of the car, but yesterday I drove a reviewing with a thousand horse power, and today's modern world where, you know, we're seeing cars in excess of not just a thousand, but 1500, maybe even two thousand horse power, this doesn't seem as frightening as it did back in the 90s.
[SPEAKER_00]: Generally in a straight line, this is to your point of very friendly car, you can launch it hard, you can ring it out, you can go as fast as you want in a straight line, no problem there.
[SPEAKER_00]: What, to my understanding gives this a lot of that Widowmaker reputation that's still true of it is if you exceed traction around a corner, it's not like you've got a nice little window that you can operate in, step out the back end and keep it under control,
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're cornering this hard and it goes, it's gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was talking to somebody who actually tracks them and they said what ends up happening is, you know, it goes right, let's say we're going to track and the back end starts to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Typically what happens with these is you correct and you think you got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's the other way and that's where you lose it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it goes one way you correct and then it goes exactly the other way and then you're done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this not being in my car, I don't want to find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to find that out.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's how to pay for itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, one of the reasons we're selling that car, if we're kind of done with it, we've done as many videos as we can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's time for it to move on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not going to make any money crashing that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not that kind of channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're missing two cars here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's three cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're missing a C5, C6 and a C7.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we've owned the C5 and the C6.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the C5 is an awesome hot rod platform for making a fast car for not that much money.
[SPEAKER_00]: C6 is a great two, especially zero ones in zero sixes and the C6 are way badass.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a base model, C6.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's still a fun quick car.
[SPEAKER_01]: with a, with a, aftermarket exhaust, which sounded well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the, the one raw begins, probably starting with actually that one, is the interiors were always a little plastic-leaky.
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't quite world-class, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is definitely not too bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: The C7 had gotten much better, but let's talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you get to this kind of course, the biggest difference, you know, this case is that the engine moved from the front for the first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was going to say back, but it's really middle.
[SPEAKER_00]: which are all mentioned, it means there's no manual.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only automatic car here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The C7 was the last manual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I did not love that 7 speed in the C7, I always sang with the 911 7 speed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I always found that 7th gear to be extraneous.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why we went with 7, but that's a whole other story.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's talk about a car that now is world class.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there are actually what 5 cars in the current C5 lineup, so there's the base stingray.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that starts at about 70,000 and if you go to the 3LT, you get up to about 100,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's the E-Ray.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's E-Ray, which has the same power train as the base car, but it has electric motor in the front.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'll make some more power.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the quicker accelerating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's the only one that's all we'll drive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think you've got the one that is the most track worthy of the sweet spot, and that is the Z06.
[SPEAKER_01]: So with this car, this one was 138,000, but because everybody wants a ZR1, the'll start discounting them, and this was discounted by 8,000, so it was 130.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we actually traded it at our C8.
[SPEAKER_01]: which was a 3LT got 65,000 Ford and then we got a substantial discount on this car and so that's why we decided to do it because we want to do experience what I think is the sweet spot and the best Corvette of the Mall and there's a big difference between the E-Ray and the Stingray to the 06, 01 and 01X.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now the 01X of course
[SPEAKER_01]: A Z-R1 has twin turbos on this engine, gives you a thousand horsepower, or the Z-R1, X to get up to 1200, because then you get the electric oil drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the Z-R1 X kind of throws in everything in the kitchen sink, which is cool, but to your point, I actually think for most people, this would, the Z-R6 would probably be the more fun car to have, because already, 670 horsepower, 460 pound-feated torque, this is up.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a fast car.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is an incredibly fast car.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've just dragged raced at once.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do a lot more drag racing with it now that we finally got to sort of kind of broken in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, this being a Corvette, it is also incredibly practical.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not only do you have room behind the engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I wouldn't use it to move to your next house or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got my camera bag in the back here and there's still some more space.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can also put in the roof at the targa, so it also slots in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is a roof for it and then you also have actually a pretty deep front trunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: which you know it's surprisingly yeah yeah so you lose that in the zero one that becomes basically a giant fan of the cool off the engine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that they've got a little button in here for you to escape just in case somebody sticks you unwillingly in the front of their seat Corvette.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know Jill?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, I don't want a journalist.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like five, maybe four, nine, four, ten.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, Jill.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she always jumps in the back of, so she might actually be able to fit in here and then pop.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it something you've bonded?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what she does.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they can use to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was her stick, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Nathan would not fit in, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they'd see eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, like half of Nathan would not fit in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's, that's a little ambitious potentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jill started doing it, so I'm just, I'm just mentioning the fact that she might.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the styling of this has been somewhat controversial.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, it's jet fighter inspired.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people say it's overwrought.
[SPEAKER_01]: They think that there's too many sharp angles, too many lines and intersecting in too many places.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the difference, of course, between the base, Corvette, Stingray, and the Z06 is that it's wider.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, much wider, noticeably so.
[SPEAKER_00]: which makes it a better looking car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think because it's better looking car.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a better stance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also our base-seate Corvette that we had at 2020, so the year that that car came out, the base Corvette had exhaust in the corners.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one has the four pipes in the center, which also looks really cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then a pretty massive 345 width tire.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a 21 inch wheel in the front, 20 inch wheel in the front.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 345, that's a lot of work.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to get, you know, 600 and 70 horsepower down, and I have to be, you know, completely fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have not driven the Z-R-1 or the Z-R-1-X, but I do have a rule that, like, 600 horsepower in a road going car is about as much as you want.
[SPEAKER_01]: I worry that that 1,000 horsepower, 1200 horsepower, and yeah, there's a lot of people say there's no such thing as, you know, there's no replacement for this placement, there's no such thing as too much horsepower.
[SPEAKER_01]: A thousand horsepower going to the rear wheels might be too much, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, so like we have said many times and many other people have said it's more fun to drive a slow car, fast and a fast car, slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a slow car.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, in the world of diminishing returns, I'm not sure how much more fun you have with a ZR1 than a Z06 because it's just that
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that this is about as aggressive as a car you're going to drive on the street needs to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then some.
[SPEAKER_01]: You figure a zero, one's going to cost at least 200k.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I said, this was 130 after discount.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's $70,000 more.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you could get one, I've heard of dealers now charging $100,000 over sticker on the zero.
[SPEAKER_01]: These were going at $30,000 over sticker initially.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, of course, this is, I think 2023 was the first year for the Z06.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is now, you know, we're three years into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: because everybody wanted the ZR1, the Z06 is became affordable, so that's why we thought let's jump on it while we can do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you'll note that this does not have the giant spoiler, so we don't have the track package in this car which I'm actually happy about because it has a lot more aerodynamic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not a big aerodynamic either, so I think this looks better.
[SPEAKER_00]: Slightly more subtle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this car is subtle.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not subtle, but it's it's more subtle And there was also a stop sale that went on for a long time because what would happen is he's would burn the ground Yeah, the reason for that is these have these giant Colors here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's right there in the doors in the base
[SPEAKER_01]: Corvette, the stingray, when you stop that the fans would turn it off, and the ZL60 or the ZR1X, the fans stay on, and when you're feeling the car right here, what could have happened and what did happen is you could get fuel into that vapor, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: papers, and that would get into the engine compartment, which would then ignite and burn the car down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there was like a three-month stop sale on these where GM engineer to fix so that because the fan stays on, even when you turn the engine off, it doesn't necessarily suck the air and burn down the car.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to show them the interior?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is world class.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Europeans don't think so, but they're a little snooty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think for a performance car, this is a plenty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here you go, you're going to want this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fine interior.
[SPEAKER_01]: This has a interior interior.
[SPEAKER_01]: So some people don't like that waterfall, which is I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love real buttons.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what they did for 2026 is they got rid of that waterfall.
[SPEAKER_01]: They gave you bigger cup holders.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then over here they put a third screen and right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of that is on an extra screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love those buttons.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a big fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they are very distinctive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can understand how some people might find them a little busy and not necessarily intuitive because there's a lot going on right here, but it's a very driver-centric interior.
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely, I don't think it's at all a bad interior.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got
[SPEAKER_00]: as square of a square steering wheel, as square gets these carbon paddles for the eight speed carbon fiber up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's also different from the Z06 now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Three drive modes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have tour, sport, and track.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, you've got a very different engine being a flat plane crank.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is more, let's say, this is more of a Ferrari than a Corvette in the way it sounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you want to start up?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, let's do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's limiting my rev.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it does that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I joke like three feet when you start at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little like lembre knee and back, just when it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: The start-up tells you everything that you need to know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it does that every single time.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first time I started this car, I looked down at my big boots and I thought, did I, did it was a part of my boot up against the throttle pedal?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just how it cranks up every single time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a little bit of noxious.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, but it's, it's cool because this is your six.
[SPEAKER_00]: Genuinely has such a different character and personality to it than the base C8 Corvette.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so different.
[SPEAKER_00]: They feel like two different
[SPEAKER_01]: There are two different cars, the base one which we own until we got this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is much more traditional Corvette.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to call it an old man car, it's much more relaxed, you kind of cruise down the road.
[SPEAKER_01]: The engine is turning over to much lower RPM.
[SPEAKER_01]: This 4-key 6-2 versus this very high-strong 5.5.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this car is like, let's go, I'm gonna go on and go.
[SPEAKER_01]: The steering is much sharper on this car as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of tends to follow grooves, which is not great, but this is definitely a car that wants to be exercised and not a car that necessarily you just want to kind of take a nice day, take the top down and kind of go for a leisurely ice cream.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, let's go to the track, let's go on the Autobahn.
[SPEAKER_01]: And ironically, the base curve it actually is a tire hop, a higher top end than this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think I want to say the the top and on this one is like 190 or 95 or the base one it's like 205.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going to get an Autobahn cruiser and you want to go 205, get the base stingray.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that I'm sure anyone's really going to take advantage of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But even though this car is so much more expensive than the other older cars that we've talked about so far, as far as performance is concerned, this is still not a bad deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: as well, ZR-1, ZR-1, X.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of car for the money.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, you could compare, let's say you compare this to like a GT, not a GT RS, but a 9-11 GT-3, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That this car at $130,000 is probably...
[SPEAKER_01]: 200,000 less than the GT3.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we're going to talk about the GT3 RS.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not to say that this has everything going for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That a 9-11 does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say it's got everything that a 9-11 does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's some refinements, some engineering.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the year peas would say, but we've owned the 9-11, the last current one, the 9-11 Targa S, and this car to me, that was 158, and that was before prices went through the roof today, that'd be 200,000 dollar car.
[SPEAKER_01]: This car to me is just, of course, the Targa is the least, the heaviest and the least sporty of all of the 9-11s, but still to me, this car is much more fun and much more
[SPEAKER_00]: We've certainly come a long way from the C3 and the C4, so the build quality and the interior materials, fit and finish refinement on a brand new Corvette is not going to be as different as it was in those days, maybe not as noticeably so.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean the 9-11 still got a lot going for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think those are fantastic cars, not that I get to spend time with.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just spending time with 11.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the issue I had with ours and the reason we ended up selling it was which is stupid because we should have held on to it because prices of 9-11 have gone through the roof right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason we got rid of it is I just didn't want to have one car.
[SPEAKER_01]: that had $160,000 of company money in it when it wasn't making any more money.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was time for it to move on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this same thing will happen with this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could put all these three together and still you don't get to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And from a content point of view, that's more interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: But these are epic cars, even for the money, even this being much more expensive than the others, like we said.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to get a base-yate core of that, you can find some pretty solid deals.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can't build those.
[SPEAKER_01]: for even like a lot of car for 60k.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know even like a 2LT right now that's a lot of car and I think part of that problem is because there is this mistake behind the Ferrari and behind the 911 that the Corvette is always considered and has been considered I think like the old man car or the every man car we want to call it but I think with this CA Corvette has taken the next step
[SPEAKER_01]: where you could go and you could put this head to head against the Ferrari or 911, and not be ashamed to show up with this and feel like you've got a vehicle that is world-class versus something that is American plastic, the way that the Europeans would describe it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what they've maintained throughout all the generations and even in their competitor that is the Viper,
[SPEAKER_00]: is that you can have a lot of fun for whatever amount of money, whatever price bracket you might be shopping around for what it's 10 grand or $200,000.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are so much fun, all these cars.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of muscle, they're each one of them is like an American flag on wheels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the one that I would think is a bargain is the first generation Viper.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Viper is a weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: The older they are, the cheaper they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was ACR, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are now like $300,000 cars, which seems crazy to me, but the first generation, you
[SPEAKER_01]: 10 cylinders, 8 liters, $40,000 may be a little bit more now.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a lot of car.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you could say the same thing about the Z-R1, just a lot of car for $30,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want a Corvette that isn't in that malaiser, 73 to 80, whatever it is, too, then those early Corvettes are also a hoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're exactly the right case, you nailed it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of all of these vehicles though, this first year in Viper, even up against the Z06, this is the most
[SPEAKER_00]: the biggest experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the one that sticks with you the most.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, I mean, a giveaway is a three of these cars or a manual one isn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, if you want something and I think people are logging you for that now with how cars have become electrified and with autonomy, cars have become toasters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put, let's be honest about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these are as far away from a toaster as you can get.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and especially some of these older analog vehicles,
[SPEAKER_00]: car than the Viper, but the Viper is a 100% It's way more of an extra start-in-all up, we promise to Sure, which one here I've got a lot of the keys That's a C8 We'll do this last because it's the loudest I actually the Viper my people The Viper, let's do it in order Yeah, let's start with the C3 Yeah, start with the C3, I'll let you do the work Yeah, the C3
[SPEAKER_00]: Being it as old as it is and as cold as it is today has been a little temperamental a little grumpy But since it's got another it's warmed up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, since it's got some temp in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No problems All right, let's go next.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it sounds awesome The C4 had a much easier time this morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cranking up very quiet car It is I don't think we're gonna hear it among the competition
[SPEAKER_00]: Except for the belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we do hear that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little smoky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a little bit Do you want the Viper necks or the Vipers?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's see the Viper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if we don't have enough people to rev them So we're just gonna have to handle them if it cranks up any easier.
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet you'll start up right away Maybe else wrong There you go
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no!
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh!
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, my friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Viper is not quiet, huh?
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, last one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, finally.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll stand in the middle here, you can hear the glory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need aggressive 06.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the noisy ascend to a podcast we've ever filmed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, always guys have over to all to a film for all of our videos and take this flood of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the next time.
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